Dawn of MOBA 3 Launches April 27th

>>369586223

This is giving me the same bad feeling as the dungeon keeper mobile game.

>>369587008
Should be giving any fan of the series a bad feeling. It looks like hot garbage

>trying to put people playing the beta under NDAs when it launches in a month

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oIYfUHbPo&

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>>369587172
Aren't all RTS awful to watch until you understand the balance, quirks etc?

>>369586223
DOW 2 had paid skins just saying. Why is does it take so much work to make a decent warhammer game?

>>369587336
The reason it's so awful to watch doesn't even have a lot to do with balance. The artstyle, unit animations and voicelines are a still a huge step back from DoW2, and that UI is just a hot fucking mess.

>>369587551

Because no matter how well you make the game, what angle you take, what content you put into it, or what type of game you make the playerbase will find a reason to hate it because you didn't put X or Y into it or didn't make exactly the kind of gameplay they want.

The Warhammer fanbase is just never happy.

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>Loved DoW 1
>Loved DoW 2

Looking at DoW 3 makes me want Relic and Sega to go under. What a mess. Sad.

Why add the whole fucking tower thing? moba as fuck. I guess just going for the enemies base is just too "toxic"

>>369588273
DESU Im pretty happy with total war warhammer but its stating to feel like good warhammer games are gong to be even fewer and far between soon which doesn't make any since the way GW is whoring their license out

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Seems like some NDA just lifted as in the last 2 hours plenty of sites have released gameplay videos on YT.

Artstyle and animations and color palette feels goofy, its like they want to appeal to kids or something

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>>369589071

Yeah, I wonder.

>>369586223
I'm all for hating on DoW3 but it doesn't look like MOBA in the slightest. In fact, if it was MOBA then I would've been pretty hyped for it.

>>369586223

WHY MUST YOU RUIN EVERY SACRED GAME

>>369586223

>NO EMPERORS GLORIOUS ARMIES OF THE IMPERIAL GUARD

dropped

>>369589034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RcQH-vctCs
>IGN: 8 Minutes of Intense Multiplayer Action
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pKXS7S9PzE
>GameSpot: Ork Multiplayer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBiXSI67kTI
>Luetin: Eldar/Ork Multiplayer

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>>369589071

I mean, how dare they do this. How insulting to the spirit of 40k.

tfw preordered
might have gone for collectors but I don't give a fuck about a dinky-ass hammer that will probably be plastic and poorly painted.

>Jain zar is a regular unit

No buy, no ty.

>>369589478
>pre-ordering
>2017

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>>369589071

Just absolutely insulting to the fans and to the heart of the franchise. Heartbreaking even, to see such a bastardization of the venerated art style.

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nice try relic

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>>369589334
It'll come with Winter Assault, when it releases in December of this year.

>>369589595
yea, I want my fucking skins. I know the game is going to be good, ive already played the beta a lot.

Guys you remind me of those imbeciles who kept on insisting that Civ 6 is a mobile game until very launch.

As a big fan of DoW1, i seriously don't understand the hate this game is getting so far.

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>>369586223

I hope this game bombs as hard as humanely possible. Relic Entertainment should stay true to their name and fuck off from the industry forever.

>>369589756
Don't forget to purchase some in-game currency at launch so you can get your epic elite units out on the field sooner, anon

>>369589721

wait what? you messing with me?

is there actually going to be a winter assault dlc?

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>>369589640
How dare they...

>>369589821
2 words: trump audience
neurotic as fuck and getting triggered by their own shade

>>369589640

god i am afraid to ask how many layers that guy has painted on there

>>369589880
sorry, im not that gay
>>369589992
messing with you, but it'll probably happen

>>369589640
>that banner
Amazing.

Also, are those supposed to be Ork/Nid hybrids?

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>>369590128

:(

>>369586223
>Blackmailing their consumers with content being only available if you give them money before you receive the product, or even have the chance to test it out.
>Not selling it afterwards, not only to people who bought your game before it was released, but also to those that will buy it long after it was released.

Looks like they are trying to obscure the fact that their game is shit.

>>369589992

Considering Guardsmen are actually IN the game, there's a %9999.99 chance they will come in later

>>369589386

>tfw vastly prefer the lumbering pace of DOW2 and the focus on unit preservation and squad tactics
>tfw liked some of the base building and battle scale of DOW1

Why they didn't merge the two I will never fucking know. This looks just like some starcraft abomination of special effects and bubbly animation so you can't even tell what is going on. The color pallet and art style are fine. Its the over the top flashy bits make it impossible to tell what's going on. DOW2 was pushing it when a ton of skills were used at the same time, but this is like every fucking second of combat.

>>369590128

honestly with the whole change from imperial guard to astro militar


im not sure if i want to see what nu-relic will turn them into

FUCK COVER SYSTEM

I WANT DOW 1

>>369590260

I want to know why people shit on Starcraft. It's a good game.

I just want CoH mechanics with warhammer skins. Is that so much to ask?

>>369590260

a question everyone has askef since DOW 2

they would go together like PB&J

>>369590328
but its literally just a namechange

>Tfw you know that if an IG faction comes out they'll have shitty inquisitors instead of based Psykers
I don't want some pompous cunt, give me my crazyfus!

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/20-minutes-dawn-war-3-105906436.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68oIYfUHbPo

it's shit

>maps have lanes like a MOBA
>heroes & skills like a moba
>have to kill 3 tiers of buildings like a moba
>no sync kills
>all the animations and effects look like shit
>your units don't react to anything
>try to combine DoW1 and DoW2 but end up doing them both a disservice and ruining the game in a completely brand new way
>made by Nu-Relic who ruined CoH now they ruined DoW

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40k is cancer, doubly so when you realize most of the current fanbase is /pol/fags who only like it because humans genocide billions of aliens.

Fantasy is far superior, but then against a thousand other franchises are, as well. I pity anyone who will buy Dawn of MOBA 3.

>>369590541
Looks pretty great, though?

>>369590096
>triggered morons blame everything on trump now
thanks obama!

>>369589386
The whole concept of elite units with different abilities reeks from opportunity for microtransactions.

It will probably end up like CoH2 where they have $100+ worth of those commanders.

>>369590541
All they need to do is get rid of the autistic shield cover and Ill at least give it a try.

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>>369586223
They should just do soulstorm with updated graphics and more armies like tyranids.

That is the perfect DoW so far

>>369590096
lol wut

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>>369590743
You have fehld the empra

>>369590737
Pretty ironic because 40k is one of the shittiest setting to be human in.

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>>369590915
ok reddit

>>369590915

>t. nu-relic dev struggling to keep his job

>>369590768
>The whole concept of elite units
Is lifted straight from the tabletop?

>>369587172

It looks great. No more shitty auto-retreat. No more shitty DOW2 cover system. Big armies are back. Base building is back.

>trying to put people playing the beta under NDAs when it launches in a month

It launches in two months.

What is maths?

>>369590737
Superior at being dead maybe LOL

>>369590915
>hours of beta footage, reading about how the game functions from the devs themselves, pre-order skins and a nu-Relic's track record aren't doesn't mean it's shit
>just buy it!

>>369590915
the UI is so god damn awful

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>>369590853
>that fucking ui

Who in the fuck play with the map on the right?

>>369590676
>maps have lanes like a MOBA
>heroes & skills like a moba
Just like dawn of war 1 and to a greater extent 2?

>all the animations and effects look like shit
I hate this "Its not grim dark enough meme" Play the older ones again the effects were bright as shit or made in a way you could tell them apart.

Rest is correct though

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>>369591042
More info from yesterdays thread
>>369355646

coh2 was bad

dow3 looks bad

rest in peace, relic, you had a good run

>>369591134
>>369591140
That's the only correct criticism so far

The UI is fucking horrible

>>369590096

Yup.

Cuck this. Cuck that. MOBA this, Starcraft that. WHERE MUH GREMDERK.

A bunch of fucking 15 year old edgelords they are, honestly.

>>369591051
Yes, the game ticks all of these arbitrary boxes that make up a 'true RTS' so it's going to be a solid 10/10. Just ignore everything to the contrary bros, big blobs and shiny abilities!

>>369591014

That looks great.

>>369591246
nah the bubble shields and tall grass are dumb and gimmicky

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>>369590737

Nice edgy opinion there, senpai. I bet it makes you feel so edgy and superior and ultra factual famalam. Like some super cool hardcore uber good taste patrician tier somber film critic senapi famalamba. Like a really ultra epic coldsteel edgy super extra mean cool guy fimbalamb. You must be some highly unexplainably badass super hard tattoo'd vidya playing patrician kool kid with some absolutely revolutionary fantastic ideas and shit senpai. Absolutely ascended tier real fuckin' mean shit, famalamabamamajimjammagrammadam. Clearly we're all absolutely enlightened and have had our ignornace blown out of our skulls by your absolutely hard cold logic, frimbalajabbagimbadimbashimpashrimptastingbigbadsenpai. Thank you so much for your eminent intellectual opinion superiority.

>>369590353

It's not shitting on starcraft. Starcraft is fine. DOW, and later DOW2 paved out its own sort of RTS style Relic branching out with at the time. Relic pretty much up and abandoned everything they built with 1 and 2 and went chasing the Starcraft/E-sports scene instead.

>tall grass
>power cores

Aren't these mechanics ripped straight out of MOBAs?

>>369591246
They said you can change the UI and people already did so in the beta.

>>369586223
>Build a free to play game on a taxing AAA engine
>Market the game at poor people

When will these retards learn exactly?

>>369591507
>grass was invented in MOBAs
uh

>>369591454

>call someone edgy for disliking one of the most edgy settings possible

wow that really made me think

>>369590768

Literally straight from Tabletop. Hell, even the overpriced micronstransactions would be faithful to Games Workshop in a shitty way.

>>369591590

>Free to play

do you even know anything about this game anon

>>369591616
>being a pedantic faggot

Tall grass as an in-game stealth mechanic, not grass as map foliage you stupid fuck

>>369590676

>maps have lanes like a MOBA

DOW2 did this. It was even balanced around 3v3.

>heroes and skills like a MOBA

DOW1 had heroes with skills.

DOW2 had you pick one hero who gained experience from killing regular mooks and levelled up during the match, buying items. Skills used mana to cast.

>have to kill 3 tiers of buildings

I'll give you this one.

>no sync kills

This is good. Sync kills remove control from the player for several seconds, and happen at random. They also make your unit invulnerable so the enemy has no way to counter.

They look cool the first few times, but they are shitty gameplay. If I wanted to watch animations I would be watching cinematics or playing a game with QTEs.

>animations/effects

Look fantastic.

>units don't react

Yes they do.

>Game actually looks great thanks for convincing me anon

You're welcome.

>>369591178

DoW2 wasn't heavily influenced by the popularity of mobas though. Your heroes had abilities and you could upgrade them but so did your units. Demo packs, smoke. that kid of shit. It was no different than unit abilities from CoH.

I don't mean "it's not grimdark enough" because I don't care about that. You could fucking paint your marines bright colours in DoW2.

I more mean the readability. The effects don't tie into the animation system properly and also are completely visually overwhelming and confuse everything on the screen.

When a huge explosion happens in a group of infantry nothing happens at all. They don't react, they're not blown around. They just keep shooting at each other.

The unclear visual language combined with the horrendous UI and the questionable gameplay combines into a very unappealing product.

They tried to cater to the DoW1 and DoW2 audience at the same time and failed both.

>>369591762

No he knows basically nothing like half the idiots who are shitting on it for no reason.

Honestly it looks alright in my book.

The thing about the style though is that I can accept the actual minitures to be cartoony, they are of course, minitures, it's hard to have a ton of detail in something so small and to paint them bright colors benefit since it helps it making sure you are on point with your lines and colors. But this is a video game. You can put a ton more detail in to them and a great part of the games is seeing them in full on detail just like the pictures, boxes and books describe them.

But it could be worse I guess. I think /v/ is still freaking out over nothing.

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>>369591209

>>369590091
>>>>>>>>>>>reddit

Is it just me or does it feel like the animations are either played at 2x speed?

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>>369592207
>beta is not indicative of the final product
>full game releases in less than 2 months

THEY'LL FIX IT

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I want my guardsmen back.

>>369586223
It's deathwing all over again

is there lore on the characters of dow 40k or is the game series not canon to it?

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>>369590043

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3p_VuPIS2c

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is there lore on the characters of dow 40k or is the game series not canon?

like this big git

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>>369592426

Did literally any of you fucks watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0XnU0xaqsY

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>>369592648
How could you forget about WARBOSS GORGUTZ

>>369592692
>/v/
>actually looking into things

>>369592692
>aren't a playable faction
Oh look
It's less than fucking nothing.

>>369592535
>>369592648
Since the Blood Ravens get mencioned in the RPGs and some Codexes, yes it is canon.

>literally moba gamemode
>shitty animations
>ALL THE BLOOM AND SHITTY PARTICLE EFFECTS
Also scrap mechanic a shit.

>>369592297

Good thing the game looks great, then.

>>369592648

Eliphas from Dawn of War 2 actually got mentioned in one of the Horus Heresy books.

>>369593067
SEGAshill pls, make another TWW thread.

>>369592692

Fucking no one watches anything mang.

50% of the time when I see someone criticizing the game it's some fuckwit who's seen maybe 1 trailer.

>>369592827

>WAAAAHH MUH FAVRIT FAKSHUN! RELIC HAS TO PUT IN ALL 15 FACTIONS AT LAUNCH BECAUSE THEY HAVE INFINITE TIME AND MONEY WAAAAAH.

God this fanbase are some of the most toxic, thickheaded immature entitled fuckwits I've ever seen.

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>>369591672
SEGA learned the lessons of GW well.

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>>369593296
>toxic
go back to league of lel

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Why does it look like Tiberium Twilight?

>>369591779
sync kills shoukd be campaign only

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feedback from someone who played the beta
It's basically baby's first rts, im sure they could turn it into an esport but holy fuck does it feel lackluster in a lot of ways. No dow 1 cover or cover at all outside of bubble shit means that they're basically telling you that unit preservation is out the window, you even get resources back for losing units. Only a few units have real abilities worth using, and no friendly fire at all means you can just spam aoe shit everywhere. Elite units are mostly well balanced but they basically make up the army, especially the walkers, which just destroy swaths of troops instantly. The gamemode is okay, doesn't really feel like a moba. Maps are boring as shit. Sounds are okay, but some are awful, same with particles and visuals in general. Solid 7/10 about. Can see it turning into one of those 'hundreds of dollars worth of dlc' games.

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>>369592692
Holy shit, is it real? I might be able to play as my Guardsmen?

>>369593145
>>369593296

Oh so apparently I'm an assfaggots player (never played) and a SEGA shill (never worked for them).

You guys are proving my point about how fucking stupid people in this fanbase are.

Also:

>le anyone who disagrees with me is a shill meme

Fuck off conspiracy nut.

>>369593585
>>369592692
>>369592780
Winter Assault also had NPC Necrons before Dark Crusade

DoW2 had NPC Guardsmen before Retribution

This is nothing new. IG will be playable eventually, because Relic has to milk skins and microtransactions by any means necessary with this game.

>>369586223
So am I the only one who thinks it looks good? Like, I don't really see anything inherently wrong with the gameplay changes and the visuals/audio are alright. The lack of grunge and cheesiness is slightly disappointing but not a dealbreaker really.

I'll probably wait for a sale since I refuse to spend significantly more than $60 on it plus whatever DLC it gets this year but I am still looking forward to it.

>>369593585

Not at release. They appear to be a campaign cameo only.

I'm sure they will add them in an expansion/DLC, just like they did in DOW1 and DOW2.

>>369593296
>breaking down over anon asking for IG
Yeah, okay.

>>369593709
Yes-yes you never worked for SEGA. Fuck off shill.

>>369586223
I played the beta

Pros:

>The game runs at 60fps on all max settings
>Almost not bugs which is unusual for a relic game

Cons:
>Looks even worse in game than the trailers
>Moba win cons,abilities and other elements such as tall grass
>Elite units barely do anything with their normal attacks everything is concentraded in abilities that can easily wipe whole armies (exception to the rule is the eldar ranger hero)
>There's litte unit preservation
>melee vs ranged fights work like in the cat & mouse chasing of SC2
>Base building is extremely shallow and watered down even when compared to DoW1
>Cheap voice acting

5/10, mediocre game made for compstompers in mind.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/03/06/dawn-of-war-3-is-a-best-of-mashup-of-warhammer-40k/

>>369593951
sounds like every other dow game

>dow was never great

>>369593927

Fuck off conspiracy nut memer.

>>369593998
>Rockpapershotgun

No thanks

>>369594109
Now make another TWW thread.

>>369593558
that's a big gun

What a cluster fuck, first people are daemonized just because Relic shits all over the franchise, the franchise in question: poster-boy for grimdark. Then people shit all over the fans for being "childish and not liking things without trying them". Meanwhile the teaser trailer was probably exactly what fans were hoping for. It was gritty, it conveyed an "epic" scale, as is expected of 40k, and it was somehow original, you know, other than cookie cutter protagonist-circle-jerking bullshit. And now that they show us this lego-land, ASSFAGGOTS fuckfest people have the gal to complain about criticism? Get fucked.

>>369594061
This
Dawn of War was never great, but it was damn good for a 40k game.

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>>369593951
>>369593558

>no unit preservation
>despite being a great staple focus of DOW2

I'm irrationally triggered

>>369594061
dow1 & 2 had strong heroes and abilities that fit in the lore, here they go out of their way to have abilities that are straight up copies of dota and LoL hero abilities, on top of that while dow1 had an annihilation win con, dow2 had a VP win con which is very similator to what the tabletop game has, DoW3 instead has a power core you have to destroy which you can access after you took down the turrets, substitute power core with nexus and you obtain a moba.

>>369594407
It was also a focus in DoW1.

>>369594407
like I said, babies first rts. Theres basically nothing stopping you from spamming units because of the escalation tiers, which give you increased resource rates as the game drags on, as well as giving you some back when units die. AOE abilities obviously kill your dudes off, but its basically just blob v blob with whoever uses the most aoe abilities wins.

why are people comparing dw3 to LOL or dota?

is it not a rts anymore?

>>369594657
its more rts than dow 2, but its easy to compare it to an rts because heroes have abilities and it has a cartoony artstyle
do people not look at trailers or anything anymore?

>>369593807
If it's babies first rts that's fine by me, considering how bad I am at the genre. I just want to roll around and wreck armor and characters with wraithlords and all the eldar stuff I loved from tabletop from a few years ago. I don't really have it in me to hate it just yet, though I do dislike how it looks.

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>you get partially refunded for losing units instead of punished by having to buy back a squad at full price
>elite units can just be called back in after a cooldown timer runs out if they're incapacitated in battle

Bravo Relic

>>369594795
they always had ability?
Lol isn the first/only cartoony game
>its more rts
>but its easy to compare it to an rts
??nigger??

>>369593558
So it's brawl of ages or that star wars clone?

>>369593951
>melee vs ranged fights work like in the cat & mouse chasing of SC2
GOD FUCKING WHY, melee combat was one of the best parts of DoW.

>>369594162

Fuck off nutter.

I'm in the beta, it's good

If you're a dow 1 fan, you'll love it

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>>369594990


Are you fucking with me? They cant fuck up that badly

>>369595293
Holy fuck stop shliing.

>>369594990
>>369595383
to be fair, the cooldown is really fucking punishing, and keeps getting added on if the elite keeps dying. Jonah takes like 180 seconds to summon back the first time, and increases to 240 the second time, etc. I would prefer it cost actual resources, but meh.
>>369595059
It isn't that bad, because units trying to move away get slowed when they go into melee. Not to mention lots of units, like ork boys, stun when they charge into melee, so range v melee isn't so bad.
>>369593807
>>369594962
Personally I'm okay with it. (beta tester from above) I just think they could have done so much more so I'm disappointed overall. No squad leaders? Half the roster are elites? Piss-poor sound effects for half the shit in the game? Come on, relic.

>>369594420

Tell me, if instead of a cone the ability had just the crosshair despite having a cone effect like in dow 2, would you be happier?

>>369595423

TWW is an amazing game and the best TW I've played I wish this shit board would talk more about it

>>369595884
>best TW I've played
Oy vey, good goyim.

>>369595995

How about you go look at the top 100 most played steam games?

It's not an opinion only I share

>>369591140
SUMMON

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@369595995
>pic related.
(You) don't have anything better to say, ya daft cunt?
>>369595307
Neat.
>>369595463
>the cooldown is really fucking punishing, and keeps getting added on if the elite keeps dying.
Somehow I knew they would do that.

>>369593951
why bring back base building if your just going to half ass it

>>369596246
It shit compared to Attila, it's only saving grace is Warhammer setting.

>>369594990
Fucking hell. Its like they asked the compstompers what makes a good rts game.

Why even bother with thinking if you can throw your marinesquads at the enemy on the lane and your enemy can do the same thing. Fucking tug of war on the middle lane.

So, what's your problem with DOW3?
Looks like best DOW so far.

>>369596478

What was half assed? The beta tester here just said it's bad, he never gave any reasons.

>>369596608
For (you).

>>369596583

That's literally every RTS other than recent relic ones, it has nothing to do with comp stompers

>>369596743
So basically only jaded fucks have problems with it?

>>369596642
well if hes saying its shallow then they probably half assed some stuff

I dont mind the art style or the animations, but jesus christ why does the UI have to be so shit

>>369589640

THIN

YOUR

PAINTS

>>369596826
They should return road building from Warcraft 1 honestly

>>369596826

So you're just going to blindly accept that?

>>369596308
I did as well, and its not a bad idea. If all you do is spam elites and don't bother preserving them, you get fucking destroyed.
>>369596642
I would say its partially halfassed. It's not terrible basebuilding, its practically dow 1 without the power generators and turrets, (listening posts are fucking useless as well defensively, they barely do any damage and get destroyed real quick) but the big problem for me are the upgrades. Most of them are just fucking boring damage/armor tier upgrades like starcraft. This is because the real upgrades are in their elite doctrine system, where some tropps get special shielding or stunning addons to their abilities, or units like tac marines get grenades, things that should have just been ingame upgrades, but fucking aren't. It's lame as shit. The rest of it is fine, though.

>>369596889
>le shill
>le too intelligent to play modern games
fuck off incel

>>369597045
Another 15 cents have been added to your Relic™ account.

I'm not sure if the OP of these threads is purposefully calling it a MOBA to get people to come into his thread. Or he generally thinks it is.

Because this is the 6th thread I've seen with this type of intro and it's baffling me.

I long for the day this shit is banned to >>>/tg/ though. It's getting boring having to update my filters cause you fucks keep changing shit.

>>369595423

Fuck off conspiratard.

>>369597152
>y-yes, goy, buy our game
Fuck off shill.

>>369597129
these threads will probably stop for the most part when the game is actually released in a month.

>>369596246

>latest total war with a just released major update has the most players

Not him but cmon anon

The next historical title will end up being the most played when it gets released.

>>369586223
My only real concern is that they still limit max game size to 3 vs 3 like in dow2. Horrendous decision.

>>369596608
From what I've seen

You cant see shit. UI is bloated and the effects are ridiculous.

Animations are off, especially with the marines. Sound design is hard to judge from youtubevideos, but it seems more like plinking than thudding, if that makes sense.
Less focus on your basic troops.
Less focus on unit preservation.
I dislike the coversystem
I dislike how units move in sync, and just stand there shooting instead of shootin bursts, ducking behind cover, and so on. They are just so stationary all the time.
I dislike how every unit looks weightless and floats just a tad over ground

>>369597129
Nostalgiatards got lethally triggered by the fact you have to destroy a designated structure instead of autistically blowing up each peasant hut after another to win

>>369597405
You can't snipe that structure, you need destroy fucking TOWERS to hit it.

>>369592692
Waiting for the DLC where I can be Guard and have nothing but the Baneblade and its variants as my Elites.

>Baneblade
>Stormsword
>Shadowsword

>people weren't immediately put off the game when the developers said the following things

>"It's an introduction to the setting for new players"
>"It's the most accessible DoW yet"
>"We were inspired by DOTA2's Hero System"
>"We wanted it to be more colourful to represent the tabletop better"

Etc. Granted I will likely still get it, but I'm not rushing to buy it. Unless they do a Collectors Edition with a unique tabletop model (and seeing as GW has cottoned on to the entire Exclusive Model thing much more recently I wouldn't put it past them) I'm happy to wait.

>>369596536

TWW has 5 times the player base of Atilla.

TWW has 1.5 times the player base of Atilla despite being available to buy for half the time.

TWW has 86 on metacritic to Attila's 80.

>>369597362

Everything you mentioned is literally because there are 3-4 times the amount of troops compared to dow 2

Also troops responsiveness and sync is literally the same as dow 1 and most other rts, simply because of the number of troops

The game doesnt suffer from the clunkiness and absurd pathing problems dow 2 had because of said changes

>>369597651

>TWW has 1.5 times the player base of Atilla despite being available to buy for half the time.

"player" here should be "owner"

>>369597405
>>369597535
Wait, that sounds promising. RTS's sadly devolved into "Build Order This so you can Rush their HQ and destroy it. You win!" shit. I mean, I know that'll happen eventually, but hopefully it'll increase the timings required to do it enough for enough counter strats to be built.

>>369597362
>Animations are off, especially with the marines.
Animations in video games are second compared to playability. Sometimes distorting shape for readability sake is more importing than preserving pseudorealistic details.
>Less focus on your basic troops.
More focus on advanced ones, so what?
>Less focus on unit preservation.
Really suprising for RTS genre
>I dislike the coversystem
I don't care
>I dislike how units move in sync
>I dislike how every unit looks weightless and floats just a tad over ground
Readability issues, once again. Game has larger scale than previous ones. They don't want it to look like unrecognisable mess during intense battles.

>>369597535
And thus the retarded concept of early rushing is finally put down.

>>369597362

UI isn't bloated at all. It's quite sleek and you can even rearrange the UI elements on the screen if you like.

>>369591140

THE ELECTOR COUNTS, GIVE ME THEM.

>>369597806
Shouldn't be possible. They designed the system to basically make rushes impossible. Each game is probably going to take like 20 minutes at a minimum.

>>369597868
>They don't want it to look like unrecognisable mess during intense battles.
It still does though

Relic is cancer, they get worse with every game. It's all muh mutiplayer, shit single player is just probably gonna be a tutorial for it, and to get some skins.

>>369597362
to be fair, I can see things just fine after playing a bunch of games. with rts in general, its very hard to understand whats proper going on if you've just watched videos and haven't played the actual game.
>>369597806
it feels a bit like tug of war to me. You tend to expend a lot of troops attacking their structures, so you need to prepare for counterattacks, etc. There will be plenty of build orders obviously, but there won't be much in the way of rushing and cheese strats.

>>369586223
>skin pack
what the fuck

>>369597868
>More focus on advanced ones, so what?

T2 and T3 units die as fast as T1 units fire even when it's not AV, I killed a predator in about 3 seconds with 4x dark reapers (which are supposed to be "advanced" anti infatry)

All the focus is on the elite units.
Also for everyone

>@NyuuPngu Pre-orders don't grant beta access. We're going to make sure players have opportunities to play before they buy, whether they pre-order or not. :)

https://community.dawnofwar.com/discussion/comment/20682#Comment_20682

So there will be an open beta.

>>369596583
>Fucking tug of war on the middle lane.
the midlane is disabled until late game

>>369598161
I've always disliked RTS when it devolved into "Copy what this smart/autistic guy did with his mates to make sure it worked".

>>369590239
>content
What are you losing out on by not having a skin pack? I almost never use DLC skins.

>>369595603
It's not about that you retard, for example here gabriel angelos jumps and has a slam on the ground, in DoW2 the force commander with thunder hammer would AoE knockback units in the radious of the ability if he used battlecry, the first example is moba tier usable abilities, the second is a CC ability that makes sense within the setting because it's how a thunderhammer and a space marine is supposed to move and act on the battlefield.

>>369597672
Bad animations and weak sound design? Okay then.

I havent really played DOW1 competively, but what I've read that losing full squads still fucs you over in the game. But in DOW3 you get some of the units cost back (what the fuck), and your hero units just go on cooldown (lol what)

I've encountered about as much pathing bugs in DOW1 and 2. Both had units getting stuck. Vehicle pathing in 2 I can give you, it really fucks you over sometimes.

Units being completly lifeless is pretty bad trade off to me, even if you can get EPIK armies that end up headbutting at the middle of the map.

DOW1 had better coversystem than the magicbubbles.

>>369598053

Most of my games were less than 20 minutes, this is a traditional rts there's no upkeep for having more units, so if you're smashing your opponent early game he'll just give up since there's no comeback mechanic, it snowballs a lot harder than dow 2 or the cohs

That said the escalation phase 1 does refund 25% of your units upon death, it's nowhere as punishing for the winner as upkeep was though

>>369598182
you do realize dow 2 had like 6 different skinpacks for preordering, as well as campaign items for a headstart?

>>369598354
>there's no comeback mechanic
funny considering they keep saying the reason they implemented the moba-style design was to give players a chance to make comebacks happen

The game looks amazing, a great successor to DoW2, all the people shit talking it probably weren't planning on playing it anyway and are the same people still butthurt that dow2 wasn't soulstorm with better graphics. I swear every warhammer game has a vocal minority group of faggots that just want to nitpick every little thing and turn away people that are on the edge off buying it. I honestly think all the complainers are people who have 5 hours in soulstorm after getting the complete dawn of war pack off steam for $20, opened dow2, didn't give it a chance because it was different, then proclaimed that dow will forever be shit.

>>369598578
Nice shilling, SEGA.

>>369598354
escalation phases need to go, also what the fuck is up with the fact you can't see how much req/power/elite points you gain per minute without overing over them?

They should've simply used the upkeep system from their previous games.

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I've got fooled by you faggots into not playing gookclick 2 for years, never again.

>>369598687
Wait, there's no upkeep?

>>369598687
>They should've simply used the upkeep system from their previous games.
fuck no, that wasnt in dow 1.

>>369598346

I guess the force commander with termi armor flamer is not a moba ability, or the combi flamer, or basically any other aoe ability

Simply because it doesnt have a targeting cone doesnt mean its any less moba in fact dow 2 is a lot more moba than 3, 3 is much more of a traditional rts

>>369598775
I don't know think there is because I haven't noticed a notable difference in req gain with a big or small army.

>Multiplayer heroes are the story characters and not generic commanders
I know this is maximum nitpicky, but that just doesn't sit right with me.

>>369598867
He's upset that the abilities aren't lore friendly, which doesn't really have anything to do with the RTS/Moba distinction, besides the fact that moba abilities tend to be more bombastic to make the character seem cooler

>>369598968
Why? It's not like the multiplayer mode battles are canon

>>369598968
not really maximum nitpick, I really hate it as well

>>369598687

Dow 1, or any other rts other than coh and dow 2 had no upkeep

Upkeep is a mechanic meant to punish the winner to give a winning chance to the loser, it's retarded

>>369599050
>moba abilities tend to be more bombastic
It's because blizzard's rule one is that every ability should feel bombastic

I long for the day the word 'shill' and 'shilling' is given an automatic ban. It's literally lost all meaning.

>>369586223
So far, the graphics, cover system, only three factions and weird Ork behavior is making me concerned. If only Imperial Guardsmen returned as a faction.

>>369599248

It's because there are a lot more troops compared to dow 2 so they have to be more bombastic, simply becoes heroes are still just one unit

>>369598867
DoW3 isn't a more traditional RTS at all, it has tackled on base building for autists like you while it actually adds no depth at all to the strategy unlike SC2 where it requires you to go deep a path of chain buildings in order to do X or Y thing in dow3 this is existent and even dow1 while a watered down rts from a traditional stand point did that better, then you have all these abilities that are out of character and that are literally copy paste from LoL and Dota, while DoW2 had mostly buffing abilities for your army and abilities directly tied to the ranged or melee attacks of your hero instead of being more stand alone with this I mean that the "white" damage from elite units barely do anything with the exception of the ranger hero and the weridboy and their abilities usually are able to wipe or control whole armies which is what actually carries the games and is able to even wipe out entire armies.

>>369599248
Except blizzard had nothing to do with mobas until about a year or two ago when they started doing HotS. The fuck are you on about?

>>369599316
just like cuck, its formed into a generic insult used against anyone who likes something you dont

>>369599130
It's annoying to play a craftworld/clan/chapter and then you get a specific hero with insignias and colours from the campaign but that's really the smallest of the problems with the game.

>>369597868
>Animations
Yeah they are. But animations add a huge boost to the enjoyability of the game. Not mandatory ofcourse, but they add to the game
>Focus on spamming elites and throwaway troops
We'll if you like it then allright
>Coversystem
All right then
>readibility
Its not really readible at this moment. Especially during intense battles with loads of effects going off.

Lot of this of course comes down to preference. Thats why I said that I dislike those things intead of just saying "Its shit".

>>369597893
I hope it at least can be scaled down. Especially all the shit on the left side of scren is unnecesarily huge.

>>369598161
Yeah its true. I hope there'll be an open beta or something where I can get a couple of games in and judge it myself.

>>369599367
Holy fucking shit, that's one sentence. Take a fucking breath dude, then maybe people will know what the fuck you're talking about

>>369599480
Ah yeah, that's fair.

>>369599367

Completely false, also dow 2 had a lot of moba abilities they were just locked behind wargear

Do I have to list them? I can literally just pick the warboss and make a 1 to 1 comparison with a dow 3 one, oh but wait warboss doesnt have a line indicator on his charge or a circle on his big stomp so its not moba :)

>>369597546
Guard Elites will probably be stuff like Stormtroopers (whatever they're called nowadays), Ogryns... Ratlings, maybe? Ratlings would be cool.

>>369599606
Yes list them, I'm curious, go ahead.


>>369599598
People with a clue in competitive RTSs already know what I'm talking about but I know the compstomper audience dow3 aims at will be pleased with the game.

>>369599682
Not exclusively. Ogryns don't stand up to an imperial knight.

>>369593071
in which one? this is actually fucking cool!

>>369599736
Knights are Elites? Thought they'd have their own slot.

>>369586223
>Skins announced long before game is out
What the fuck?

>>369599341
Now that it's revealed that the game has low unit retention and you're meant to throw out large amounts of units into the meat grinder, Imperial Guard would be amazing.
>Tfw IG and nids were in the game with the lowest unit count in the series, but not in this one
Hopefully they come back.

>>369599682
>tempestus
>specialists
>baneblade types
>command squad
>lord commissar
>psyker squad
>veteran cadians
>some more elite FW vehicles
>baneblade types obviously

>>369599730

I already did, In fact the dow 3 warboss has less abilities since the dow 2 one can get the kustom shoota one, and they arr just as bombastic in a game with a much smaller scale

Then you have the kommando nob who is literally a moba hero, or sorcerer, or warlock

You get the point, oh wait ethereal slash doesn't have lines to indicate its huge aoe esplosion so its not moba LOL

>>369600052
Imperial knight/Wraithknight/theorkone ?

Yes they are elites and make little sense, for now they only have the ranged variant but for example a wraithknight easily goes down to assault terminators which are also an elite unit for 7 elite points.

>>369600221
Those assault termies were so good for killing large units in original due to their stuns. I don't expect totally lore-accurate balance in DoW, I mean not even TT has that.

>>369599730
>list them
alright, here goes
>stomp, aoe that knockbacks
>big stomp, upgraded ability that stuns as well
>barrage of fire on target area
>charge at target location
not to mention the wargear upgrades that give auras, piercing attacks, etc.

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>>369590541
Does this all but confirm Blood Ravens are heretics? Letting their Imperial Knight be covered in Chaos shit?

>>369600165
You didn't and you are an imbecile as well.

FIrst things first, the custom shoota exists to bleed mass ranged builds and to stop heroes that can teleport like the Warp spiders or mekboy from kiting the WB forever.

The kommando nob has literally no moba abilities I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, he's skillshots based sure but all in tone of how the game works, for example his grenades are adoperated as you would use dire avenger or scouts grenades, the warlock is a support hero for your army, he can control melee, teleport your units around or teleport the opponents into yours or can buff your ranged ones to be protected against mass ranged blobs.

It shows how little you know about the game and how ignorant you are overall, all these heroes deeply interact with their armies with specific playstyle and make you want to have X or Y units with or against them in DoW3 there's no such a thing the heroes either literally oneshot everything with their abilities or are just underpowered.

>>369600715
>he's skillshots based sure but all in tone of how the game works,
Tone has nothing to do with moba-ness you retard, it's about the gameplay effects of the ability

>>369600398
I understand that, however whats the point of having these "super big units never seen before" if they just get stomped out like that, I mean I do understand the balance with it but it just seems weird, I can see them killing tanks and dreadnought sized walkers but I can't see killed them mini versions of titans.

>>369600715
>he has no moba abilities
>he has skillshots
>but based on the tone...
you can say the exact same thing about dow 3, retard.

>>369600651
In the grim darkness of the future, skulls and spikes aren't exclusive to Chaos.

>>369600913
The point for them is probably being high impact units that you still have to look out for, you can't just send them at the enemy, type "gg" in chat and go for a cup of tea. So, like the Relic units in 1?

And if 1 is anything to go by, 99% of 1v1 matches will be over before one is able to enter the battle.

>>369600863
>units within the same game can do the same thing he does
>it's moba

based retard, meanwhile in dow3 the "elite" units roflstomp everything with abilities that make no sense whatsoever in the universe.

Not to mention that in dow2 ranged units could easily beat out melee heroes and viceversa with melee units beating ranged heroes, in dow3 good luck with your army that has the same value of creeps in LoL but then again I don't except you to know that since your experience with all these games seems to be limitd to the easy AI.

>>369601098
>And if 1 is anything to go by, 99% of 1v1 matches will be over before one is able to enter the battle.
shouldn't be the case considering the forced delay of the shield generators/turrets

>>369601098
In DoW1 if we are talking about the units that required the relic those units could easily end the game right there, but they were also very expensive and required max tech, in dow3 you can theoretically be T1 and call down the knights only for the cost of 9-10 elite points (no req or power needed) so I do understand the internal balance of that, however it also feels pointless to have these """titans""" which go down as they were a small walker, it just removes from the sensation of impact they should have.

>>369601103
>dow3 the "elite" units roflstomp everything with abilities that make no sense whatsoever in the universe.
literally what the fuck are you talking about?

>new rts game coming out
>people unironically calling it a moba clone
Are half of you under 12 years old? Have you never played an rts or dawn of war game before?

>>369601359
He is referring to the fact that gabriel angelos has a jumping hammer attack, even though he wears terminator armor. In the lore, terminator armor is so heavy there's no way he should be able to jump

>>369586223
Hold on, was that a sync-kill when the Wraithseer destroyed the Dread?

>>369589529
Jain Zar isn't a regular unit though, it's an elite unit, meaning you can only have one of the field (and only if you selected it as part of the 3 you chose each game)

>>369589782
this

>>369589880
you can actually gain the in-game currency by playing the game, so that's fine by me if that means you can have all the factions + some skins for free without too much grind

>>369590197
Old-fashion Genestealers I guess. Maybe they actually stole Ork genes in that case yes

>>369590239
dude it's literally a skin. It doesn't change anything. If anything that's one of the only collector edition bonus I'm okay with pre-ordering is still dumb on my book though

>>369590260
Because battle scale of DoW1 + slower pace of DoW 2 = long games, and not everyone can sit and play a game for 2 hours

>>369590345
there was a cover system in DoW1, it just wasn't that useful overall

>>369590379
isn't that DoW II though?

>>369590541
>post entertaining videos
>it's shit
? thanks for the well-thought argument I guess

>>369591764
except it still was in RTS first, like almost everything in MOBAs

>>369592648
everything in 40k is cannon except there is contradiction, in which case the newest piece of fluff prevails. That's the rule of thumb for fans anyway, GW's response is just "go with the version you like most" which is actually great imo but doesn't please fullf-autists

>>369593540
what game are you talking about and how did you manage to post an invisible image?
gameplay-wise, it doesn't

>>369598053
I heard most games took about 15min in 2v2, if the players knew what they were doing

>>369598187
>there will be an open beta
nice, we'll be able to test the game before it comes out then

>>369598968
Agreed, they should at least make a no-name version of these heroes without the caracteristic details (ravens, etc.)

>>369599316
this

>>369601486
It's primary gamemode is literally moba. B-but you control smaller units.

>>369601320
>>369601336
Well, then I'm really not sure how this works.

>>369601490
The Wraithknight can also do a huge leap over walls and stuff and it's extremely long, the warboss also can throw his hand very far and then jump over reaching it, there's a DoTA hero that literally has the same ability.

The game is full of this stuff.

>>369601490
in one book, written by a retard, terminators do backflips and dodge missiles. while you could not believe it yourself, it is part of the established lore.
>>369601336
they're much more offensive than defensive, the wraithknight can destroy whole armies with its focused beam for example.
>>369601660
wraithknights can literally jump in tabletop, and lore. warboss has some ork tech shit.

>>369601606
They added a moba kind of mechanic where you have to destroy a shield generator/turret in the lanes leading to your enemy base. It's meant to stop rush tactics, I guess

>>369601660
So? Why are you so hung up on characters being able to jump?

>>369601490
According to the lore you literally can't defeat Necrons because their shittiest handgun can defeat heaviest armor and even if their entire army somehow gets wiped out Necron fairy can wave magic wand and their entire army resurrects.

>>369601762
>while you could not believe it yourself,
I don't care one way or another, frankly I think the argument is pointless to begin with. I was just stating that the lorefags are mad about jumping.

>>369601903
Same answer

>>369601767
>So? Why are you so hung up on characters being able to jump?

It's an impossible thing to do, I concede on the wraithknights but it seems weird to me, the orks one is never mentioned anywhere even in the beast novels or any of the codexes, as far as space marines in terminators armor go, there kind of armors have difficulty in even turning left or right, they can't jump at all, they could have simply gave him a jump pack and normal armor but for some reasons they decided to go with this retarded decision.

>>369602028
>It's an impossible thing to do
It's fucking fantasy you retard

> the orks one is never mentioned anywhere
So what? it's a fucking klaw on a cable, how is it so hard to believe that he can use it like a grappling hook? Especially since orks LITERALLY paint things red to make them go faster

>>369601580
Yeah totally a moba... except you control an army... and you build structures... and you have multiple hero units to control... but there are units with abilities so it's a moba.

>>369588273
people were pretty happy with dow1 minus a few aspects of certain expansions
then they went full retard and made huge changes to dow2 and split the fanbase
now they're shitting this out trying to appeal to as wide an audience as possible

>>369601953
no, dow 2 fags are mad about jumping. lorefags actually know that 40k is all about handwaving bullshit and makes no real sense. Terminators, for example, can run in the tabletop, but the instant people saw it happen in dow 3, people went nuts, because they're used to it being like in dow 2 where terminators move super fucking slow. But they actually don't because 40k is full of shit.

Personally I think gabe jumping just looks fucking stupid, but people saying 'muh lore' don't know jack about the actual lore, just dow 2 and whatever arch warhammer spews out.

>>369601660

So? the kommando nob can literally do the same thing as the warboss in dow 3, whats your point?

>>369602198
As a person who tried to argue with retards who claimed Civ 6 will literally be a clone of Clash of Clans, I advise you to stop wasting your time.

>>369602176
>It's fucking fantasy you retard
One that still has rules and decades of lore.

May as well just have the space marines shooting magic eye lasers and using necromancy because it's a fantasy eh

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Because he will inevitably show up in this thread, please remember to ignore and report the chart shitposter
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/dawn%20of%20war.png/

>>369601103
>creep

Not at all, you're meant to have a lot more troops than in dow 2, that's why.

Go look at a replay of dow 1 right now, the damage ratios for units are the same

>>369602602

>One that still has rules and decades of lore.

And the lore estabilished that terminators can do backflips

It's a moot point anyway, gabriel is half cyborg and there's no other examples like him

>>369602602
they do spit acid
and eat brains to absorb their knowledge
and can hibernate for hundreds of years without food or water
and can go into 'dream states' to restore wounds at a rapid rate
>>369602528
>>369602198
this. it will stop after the game is actually out, but don't bother arguing with mobafags and people who think its starcraft 2.

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>>369602602
You realize that 20 years ago Necrons were Chaos Androids and Dreadnoughts were chaos version of ED-209?

>>369586223
You know, I'm totally not into this game and I won't buy or pirate it, but calling it a moba is a bit of a stretch. Mobas are you controlling one character and leveling up. DoW3 only has the artstyle of LoL and DOTA2.

It's not readily apparent but the people claiming dawn of war 3 is a moba are too young to have experienced the rts genre, they've all played dota and league of legends but only heard passingly of old rts games and maybe played starcraft 2 for an hour. When they see a new rts game it looks similar to the mobas they play so they get angry and claim it's a clone because they've never seen an rts before.

No Last Stand no buy

>>369603282
As someone who did played Starcrart 2 (at least Wings of Liberty), all these "comparations" to that game and MOBA beyond art style andthe multiplayer are kinda pissing me off.

i played demo/beta

its the same as always with colorful art

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Tfw no sister of battle gf

>>369593558
>means that they're basically telling you that unit preservation is out the window,

are you new to RTS'?

The fact that you units aren't dead is reason enough to not let them die you fucktard.

>MOBAs are bad meme
>RTS is somehow a MOBA

????

kys.

>>369604796
Uh no, I've played rts since the mid 90's. I know that unit preservation isn't just about xp or whatever shit dow 2 had. But preserving units just isn't the biggest part of this game. Not only are there tons of aoe abilities from elites that just shred your dudes, but you also get resources back from dead units via escalation tiers, as well as increased resource rates, meaning that micro outside of the early portions of the game is useless and are better spent microing your much more valuable, much more useful elite units.

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>>369604563
iktfb

>make a big deal out of bringing back characters from previous games
>they all have completely different designs and different voice actors
What's the fucking point

Ugly cartoony graphics style, awful interface, special abilites that cover everything so you can't see what is going on, weak voice acting - this game is awful. Which is weird considering how much I like CoH2, hmm...

It's over, I will jsut wait another 6 years for DoW4

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>>369605607

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>>369605969
the best kind of heresy

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>>369605607
>>369605969
>>369606205

Is Macha a virgin?

This is important.

>>369606417
>tfw no gay spacemarine r34

>tfw beta just ended

It was starting to get fun

>>369606481
There will be some tie-in comics next month.
>>369606417
How many weird pairings have the 40K fanbase?

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ill add "MOBA" to the list of words anons love to barf constantly but do not know the meaning of

>>369606896

Wait there was a DoW 3 beta?

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>>369606896
There was a DoW3 Beta?
How was the game compared to Dawn of War 1?

>terrible artstyle
>no strategy, literally MOBAshit
>day one DLC
>DLC elites confirmed, basically gonna go full League with OP new ones etc
>37 fps on a 1070

RIP Dawn of War.
Another franchise destroyed bby the jews.

>>369607010
A multiplayer one, only to suscriptors of something... I think. There will be a public one in the next weeks.

>>369586223

>only 3 factions

Think I'll be giving this one a pass. When the newest entry has less content on release than the first game (which was released ten years ago), that doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

>no Chaos
>no Necrons
>no Tau
>no Imperial Guard

I'd expect Chaos cos its fucking Chaos, and Tau with them being the second best selling army

Fucking SEGA, why couldn't they just make DOW1 with better graphics?

>>369607117

It was very similar

Heroes are stronger in dow 3 though

>>369607287
>no Chaos
15.99$
>no Necrons
15.99$
>no Tau
15.99$
>no Imperial Guard
24.99$ because they know suckers will buy them anyway

And don't forget to buy every new OP Elite they release if you wanna stay compettitive goy!

>>369607287
>why couldn't they just make DOW1 with better graphics?
Because it would have people complaining about being the same shit 10 years ago and be totally correct

>>369607569
Why couldn't they make DoW1 combined with DoW2?

>>369607569

I just want a proper RTS none of this hero unit CoH style bollocks

I really hated DoW 2 but Loved 1

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Where are my fucking tyranids what is this fucking less playable factions bullshit

>>369586223
No Tyranids, no buy.

>>369607651
And how that would work? It doesn't matter your answer, you would have someone loudly screaming "THAT IS NOT HOW YOU MIX IT YOU HERETICS REEEEEEEEEE"
>>369607664
Dow 1 have heroes, buddy.

>>369605893
I hope you realize this is the last relic game because sega will shut them down after this

>>369596886
those paints are thinned what the fuck are you talking about

>>369608790

/tg/ autists don't actually know the difference between badly painted models, and models that simply aren't very detailed in the first place.

It doesn't help that it's a low quality picture, too.

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>>369593951
>There's litte unit preservation
>melee vs ranged fights work like in the cat & mouse chasing of SC2
>Cheap voice acting

These three piss me off, as a DoW vet. 1 and 2 were enjoyable in their own ways, but a goddamn STAPLE OF THE SERIES IS

"IF MELEE CATCHES YOUR RANGED UNITS, YOU BETTER RETREAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKED" because THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN TABLETOP. It's also pretty balanced. Can they just fucking walk out of melee now?

Also the voice acting is bad? That's the real fucking tragedy here. DoW has always been an amazing game for voices/effects

>Too much particle effects from combat
>Unit effects/health bars are messy
>UI wastes WAY too much fucking space
>Blue outlines for units/buildings is gay, breaks immersion

>Music was nice, although that song seems like it can get repetitive after a while
>Voice acting seemed more or less on par for Relic, although there wasn't too many memorable lines
>Building animations were neat, added atmosphere
>No showing of the control group icons (one of the few good things to come out of CoH2)
>Seems the casual-enabling "retreat" option was removed

6/10 looks okay. There didn't seem to be much MOBA-esque gameplay, although some traits of it have obviously influenced the UI. I'm not sure if the whole tower thing was mission-specific, or if it's going to have larger impact on maps.

>>369606941
Oh look it's another retarded moba player autistically screeching about how moba comparisons can't be drawn unless it is exactly the same as a moba.

>>369607951
>Dow 1 have heroes, buddy.
Heroes didn't run around instant killing large forces on their own.

The worst part about all of this is how the game is launching with only 3 factions, the rest obviously being shoehorned into expansions.

>>369609474
>> "IF MELEE CATCHES YOUR RANGED UNITS, YOU BETTER RETREAT, BECAUSE THEY'RE FUCKED" because THAT'S HOW IT WORKS IN TABLETOP. It's also pretty balanced. Can they just fucking walk out of melee now?
no, they get slowed when trying to do so, it doesn't feel like sc2 at all, more like dow 1.
>>369609785
neither do any of the elites outside of knights

>>369609872

Just trying to walk them away was always a loser's gambit though because of the bonus damage/attacks/whatever melee is granted vs retreating units. That's you basically ate shit and pressed that retreat button. Is it even still in the game?

>>369593480
Even in bread, I still serve.

>>369610001
I dont think you get any bonus damage, but you can surround ranged units and they have collision so you cant easily move backward. ranged units also have like basically no melee damage (even tac marines, which is a shame) so they get torn to shreds if you tie them up with sluggas and shit. Eldar can kinda kite but you can't fire on the move so theres a lot less of that.

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>>369610298
>(even tac marines, which is a shame)

Tacs vs Sluggas, do the sluggas win cleanly?

>>369593071
>>369599927
Eliphas is not in Horus Heresy. You are most likely thinking of Elias who was a Word Bearer in Vulkan Lives.

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>No button to auto retreat
How is this a problem?

>>369610540
Wrong, you fool.
http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/hh-inheritor-ebook.html

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>>369610584
>No button to auto retreat
>button to auto retreat
>button
>auto retreat

>>369610584

It goes hand in hand with the devaluing of units. The ability to say "Take some losses but save the squad" is important in the sense that you want to hold onto the experienced/upgraded squads. (traditionally in DoW, upgrades are applied to the squads, not all units of that type.)

It also allowed you to know when you could easily take ground/advance because that unit is stuck in retreat until it reaches base (unless they have a commissar unit that can execute to stop retreat, but then the unit is taking losses in order to kite you)

The SC run-stop-shoot-run-stop-shoot bores the shit out of me. It was also micro-intensive bullshit

The problem with DoW2 was that controlling the units felt unresponsive and shitty. Making them disposable isn't a great way to fix that.

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>>369589386
oh.. so this is supposed to be dow 3.
Im not mad. Just sad.
Wont be buying, pirating, or following

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>>369586223
Dawn of War 2 had day one skin packs

Why the fuck is anyone surprised like this is a huge new slap in the face?

>>369610525
from what ive played, yes, its a lot more clearcut compared to other dows
melee units will tend to beat ranged if they get into cc, thats basically it. though sluggas will get killed 1v1 vs assault marines/banshees.

What does the inside of an Imperial Knight look like? I just assumed it was controlled by someone built into the war frame like a Dreadnought.

>>369610876
well I'll be damned. I haven't touched many of the eshorts in the HH series. [spoilers]mostly because they are shit[/spoiler]

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>>369611227
no, its a mech.

>>369589386
Looks like shit desu.

>>369611078
especially since it was already revealed 2 days ago