Netsuzou Trap

The amount of official art of the girls 'looking at the camera' is worrying.

>>2376404
>Why is Fujiwara such a fucking cunt
He's not going down without a fight.

>why is he still in the series
The series needs a villain.

>why is Hotaru still fucking him?
Still? Also the series needs the heroes to be idiots. For now.

>>2377838
>Also the series needs the heroes to be idiots
No. Kodama Naoko is the retard one.
Even the villain is stupid when his plan will be the only thing to actually move the plot to the girls.

>>2377838
Bullshit. Kodama a shit. But I still kind of read it every month to see the outcome of this mess

>>2377844
>>2377846
Still, the villain needs to force the heroines to react to his villainy, maybe growing closer until he's finally defeated. He's necessary because it's obvious the heroines will not do anything by themselves.

>>2377847
>because it's obvious the heroines will not do anything by themselves

And that's why the series is shitty.
I wouldn't mind the het and NTR if these girls had some fucking attitude.
Like, you know, good characters.
At least one of them, for god's sake.

>>2377875
To be fair Yuma tried to make a real move on Hotaru in the last chapter.

Official English release of Vol. 3 is out. Cuts off at Takeda walking in on Hotaru and Yuma kissing in the infirmary.

So like, is the manga actually good, or is it just glorified NTR fetish material.
Cause i'm not a huge fan of NTR but will probably still like it if it's at least well written.

>>2378339
If you're the type to bash your head on the wall when characters don't figure shit out when the audience has figured it out a long time ago, no.

If you like messy soap opera drama, yes.

>>2378339
Smutty NTR fetish. Ther's no good plot here.

>>2378339
It's good, but you sound like someone who wouldn't think so.

>>2378347
copypasta?

>>2378347
Who is this even supposed to be a response to?

>>2378347
>can't stop talking about dicks

This should be banned.

>>2378347
Netsuzou Trap es shit ONEE-SAMA

It is only 8 minutes long?

>>2378539
Yes.

>>2378347
Epic.

>>2378347
Wew lass

>>2378354
I'm sure it is now

>>2378347
What did I just read? Onee sama are you off your pills again?

>>2378665
Something great and beautiful and what makes reading /u/ worth it.

Very close 1 chapter = 1 episode adaptation so far.

Is the new episode out yet?

>>2378780
Yes.

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episode fulled of stiches

What the fuck?! It's like they didn't even try. Sexy scenes are cut to one or two frames and that's it? I want to see those scenes animated!

>>2377831
>Are you enjoying this?
No, I don't think I've ever enjoyed this series but I keep coming back to it just for the trainwreck

I love side mouth.

>>2377831
I'm enjoying it so far.

>>2378783
>that anatomy

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Goddammit, the 2nd episode ended right after it got interesting.

I just realized Hotaru, despite her petite build, has quite the rack. And it feels like Hotaru is gonna keep on using her loner card to discourage Takeda from further advancing his relationship with Yuma.

They should've made this into an OVA series, to be honest.

>>2379317
>They should've made this into an OVA series, to be honest.
Sure, if they were stupid and missed the point of doing it, that's what they should have done.

Did you know Hotaru's name sounds like the word "gay", well "lesbian" in spanish? Precisely the "Hota" just thought I'd throw that out there

>>2379319
Where's the "that slap was a joke. Come on. Laugh" image when I need it?

>>2379728
No, it doesn't. Lesbian in Spanish is "lesbiana".

>>2379728
Hota is the letter J in Spanish

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Why does this shit get an anime and not Virgin's Empire?

is amiami an okay place to order the bluray if you're a burger? honestly i wish the cover art wasnt so meh

Some pages of the new chapter came out https://tieba.baidu.com/p/5222804758

>>2380230
Holy shit based Takeda.

>>2380230
>Guy has to save the girls on a yuri manga.

I'm hoping Kodama never does yuri again.

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>>2380237
I don't know if he will really save the girls, I think he will change sides. Look a this page.

>>2380240
What are you talking about?

>>2380241
I think that Fujiwara will say the true to him and he will be on Fujiwara side, I don't think that Yuma really said the true to Takeda. He it seems confuse, he doesn't know about the true motive of the photos >>2380230

>>2380244
No.

Takeda is going from thinking of Fujiwara as a friend to punching him because of the photo.

>>2380245
Hmm, maybe, I don't know, we need to wait for he full chapter. I think will out today.

>>2380248
There's no way you're going to be right. You seriously need to have a terrible understanding of the characters to think there's any chance of Takeda thinking what Fujiwara did was even close to being okay.

Can Kodama just move this shit to a shoujo magazine already?

People can talk any shit about Citrus, but at least when Mei needed help, it was Yuzu who saved her.

>>2380252
I know that what Fujiwara did was very wrong.Takeda is a nice guy and wouldn't approve what Fujiwara did, but he can be mad or not help the girls anymore if he discovers the truth, not necessarily be on Fujiwara side.
Sorry for said that on the previous post, I said a shit.

>>2380256
That just reeks of insecurity. It's not like Takeda has "saved" them and Yuma has been shown trying to plenty to be protective of Hotaru. Hotaru mostly needs to be saved from herself, and only Yuma is going to do that.

>>2380263
Yeah, remember when she did that in Fujiyuu Sekai? I sure as hell don't, because the protagonist kept being a useless from beginning to the end. I expect the same kind of bullshit here.
I just hope she fuck it up so hard that no one will ever call her to make yuri again. So she can go back to her that makes more sense to her.

>>2380269
I hope you can mature and just stop reading what you don't like and cope with it being successful.

>>2380269
now that you mentioned her past, I've never bothered looking through it.
it's all shoujo and smut, she's probably really into those kind of destructive relationships like hotaru and fujiwara.

>>2380275
She probably ships Hotaru and Fujiwara.

>>2380283
Obviously that not, stop being delusional.

>>2380284
>She clearly likes het with manipulative males and weak willed females
>Fujiwara is a manipulative male and Hotaru a weak willed female

Can't say it doesn't make sense.
Some of her old comics could be swapped with Fujiwara and Hotaru easily:
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=52776
http://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=70133

>>2380304
It's Hotaru that's manipulative, and not really weak willed. Fujiwara just abusive and misogynistic.

>>2379967
Because Virgin's Empire is fucking ugly.

>>2380319
>Because Virgin's Empire is fucking ugly.
Because NTR art is so beautiful right?
It's quite mediocre as the shoujo front.

>>2380237
>again.
When was the first time?

>>2380338
The yuri manga where the main girl got raped by a guy cause her female best friend didn't come for her, and for the rest of the manga the main girl guilted the other girl into romantic relationship even if that other girl wanted to date a boy at some time, in the last chapter it turned they were both mutually in love with each other.

NTR will have the same ending where yuri will get confirmed mutual in last chapter.

>>2380354
You need it to be spelled out to you that Hotaru is in love with Yuma?

>>2380357
Are you a complete idiot?
Of course Hotaru is in love with Yuma, and Yuma is with Hotaru,my post didn't contradict that at all, but both don't know that their love is mutual, and they will learn of it at the end of the story to properly pair up and get rid of all misunderstandings like in that other Kodama manga where they could be happy just in last chapter.

>>2380354
The manga with such great lines, like: "I wish I had a penis, so I could rape you".

>>2380359
So you admit it's already clear that the yuri is mutual. It's not something that needs to be confirmed.

Whether Yuma and Hotaru find out their mutual feelings is different. Once they're lovers and have cleared the air, there basically isn't really anything more that the story needs to be about, so if that is the last chapter, that would not be something to find fault with.

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Kuroko could fixed the problem one page

>>2380371
>that would not be something to find fault with.
Well the ride to that is quite hectic so I wouldn't mind getting one volume about them living as a couple in some new flat, but then most stories like this end when the girls pair up not focusing at all on their couple life.

I hope the full chapter come out today.

>>2380391
As someone who usually dislikes Mugino posts, I don't really see a problem with him posting that here. It's not directly relevant, sure, but it's an funny contrast to how NTR deals with relationships.

Also,
>bringing the same crap from /a/ here
Just because something's posted on /a/ doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted here.

>>2380319
Virgins' Empire is so much better written and drawn than this shit bitch. Get out of town.

>>2380319
Bullshit

>>2380431
Different anon. Looks like spam by someone false flagging as a La Pucelle fan.

Is just for me that the tieba baidu page isn't loading properly now?

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Posting a work of art in page form, I've never seen a bittersweet, love pained, expression drawn so painfully accurate.

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>>2378932

So this amazing kiss scene won't get well animated either? I might just read ahead if that's the case.

>>2380479
That is amazing kiss scene for you?! Pfff.

>>2380484

Well, it's a manga kiss, so I have to fill in the gaps somewhat but I just love how they're both thirsty as FUCK, gasping in each other's faces at first before going in for a full on smooch and periodically breaking away to give each other some loving repeated pecks on the mouth.

If animated well it could be intense. I'm all for seeing a better one though, hit me up.

>>2380484
It was a good scene, you can't deny that.

>>2380491

Events surrounding it also elevate it somewhat, but I think it's so good it doesn't need to rely on that, I'll be legit sad if they fuck it up.

>>2380494
If we get a 2nd season I hope they animate well that one.

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>>2380479

Hotaru has some championship level 'bed eyes', there's no way Yuma can't meet that glance and think she's not getting sexually devoured.

>>2380477
She could get Yuma by just stopping being a retard. There's no obstacles between them except the ones she herself built.
It's hard to care about someone like that.

>>2380516
That is true haha.

>mfw I can't see if someone uploaded the full chapter on tieba baidu because the site isn't working
Suffering.

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Looks like Yuma is about to go nuclear

>>2380528

Will Hotaru get pissed if Yuma is verbally/physically abused at school for being gay?

>>2380528
Link pls.

>>2380534
http://wasabisyrup.com/archives/wJGldTMEhfE

She gives Hotaru this look immediately after what I presume is her accepting 2 guys' invitation

>>2380516

Isn't this just beautiful? Hotaru needs Yuma more than Yuma probably even realises, and the look on her face tells a story of pain and desperation. And I know it's cliche but the whole 'standing in the rain' thing just adds to it so much.

>>2380538
Holy shit, Hotaru is probably lying to save her again and takes all the blame, jesus.
That Yuma's look is of full despair.

>>2377831
Where's the Japanese RAW? I need to know what happened!

>>2380528
She is totally dead inside now.

>>2380541
>Holy shit, Hotaru is probably lying to save her again

Would Hotaru die to save her baby? ;_;

>>2380548
She would.

>>2380541

What is the worst that can happen to Yuma in the world presented by this series now she's been exposed as a Lesbian though?

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>>2380552
Fujiwara punch her face.

>>2380553

Wouldn't Hotaru fucking kill him if he touched her? Yuma looks a bit scared there, holding her arm to her chest as if to brace herself, I'm worried. ;_;

>>2380552
She wasn't exposed. I think Hotaru said she forced Yuma or something like that.
Either way, Yuma would face ostracization consistent with what happens to IRL homosexuals, if her reaction to Hotaru calling her a lesbian is any indication.

Either way, she looks ready to make Columbine a fucking joke. She seems to be completely and absolutely done with Hotaru's bullshit. I hope Yuma (wo)mans the fuck up and goes after Hotaru.

>>2380560
>She seems to be completely and absolutely done with Hotaru's bullshit.

She has some fucking nerve, right?

>>2380556
I think she would kill him, but she would be even more dead inside too. Yeah, the shit is only starting, Fujiwara will do his move now.

>>2380564

>we might have to see a chapter where Yuma is put into hospital due to homophobic bullying and Hotaru sees her unconscious on the hospital bed and breaks down

>>2380568
Holy shit, that would be too much fucked up.

>>2380569

I really hope it's just getting worse before it gets better, I don't want this to be just some bleak as fuck anime series. I want some fucking feelgood.

The tieba baidu site isn't working for you guys too? It isn't loading for me.

>>2380572
Yes, same. But Yuma seems to hate Hotaru now.

>>2380553
He will hit her, doesn't he?

>>2380574

Man, I love Yuma a lot, but she's so dense. She has to realize Hotaru is protecting her (with literally everything she has, her reputation, her body, her feelings themselves) at some point.

>>2380578
Yes, I hope she realize it before is too late.

>>2380580

It's going to hit her like a ton of bricks though, Yuma's going to feel like shit.

Hotaru is a fucking retarded cunt and this is all happening because she's too stupid to realize basic things.

>>2380573
Pls someone reply me, I need to know if i is only I that is having this issue.

>>2380581
Indeed, damn... all will be too fucked up now.

>>2380580

Can you imagine when Yuma and Hotaru finally reconcile and admit their love for each other?

This >>2380479
kiss is going to look like a fucking joke.

>>2380577

If he does there isn't a reader out there who won't feel that hurt too, Yuma is too cute to want to see her actually come to harm.

>>2380586
Will be cute af. They will love each other like the world was ending.

>>2380589

I'm still a bit disappointed we didn't see Hotaru pop Yuma's lesbo cherry, I wanted to see Yuma finally relent and giver herself to Hotaru's sexual and emotional desires and for Hotaru to drop her tough girl luck when she realizes Yuma has given herself to her.

>>2380584
Use the other link, maybe?

>>2380592
Same anon.

>>2380600

Just Yuma trembling because she knows what's about to happen and Hotaru seeing her shaking like a leaf and smiling as she holds her reassuringly as she goes on to slowly ease her into it. ;_;

>>2380560
A rough translation of the Korean via google suggests:

>(guys) So you guys were Les?
>(Yuma) L- You guys don't-
>(Hotaru) What are you talking about?
>Yuma is a funny girl
>So
>I was just trying to make fun of you and (with?) Fujiwara
>Stupid Fujiwara, why didn't you give me a chance to write something?


Effectively she played it off as She and Fujiwara harassing Yuma, which is why the other girls immediately turn on her and demand an apology to which Hotaru replies

>Apologize? For being myself

Could be off though, since google translate.

>>2380601
Hnnnng, would be too much for the heart. I just want they to be happy, shit

>>2380609
Holy shit, that was worse than I was thinking.

>>2380610

>we never got to see Hotaru's first time bringing a thoroughly red faced Yuma to her first orgasm

>>2380612

Got to hand it to Hotaru though, she is willing to jump on that grenade asap

>>2380609
So basically nothing again, damn does Fujiwara (or maybe Takeda turns evil) needs to rape Yuma/Hotaru while the other girl watches for this to move forward?

I bet next Fujiwara will tell sorry to Yuma for sending the picture.

>>2380614
>we never got to see Hotaru's first time bringing a thoroughly red faced Yuma to her first orgasm
It hurts.

>>2380614
Yeah, Hotaru will try kill herself without a doubt now.

>>2380617
>Fujiwara apologizing
I don't think so.

>>2380618
>Yeah, Hotaru will try kill herself without a doubt now.

And if that happens Yuma will probably feel a loss like never could have imagined. I can really forsee Yuma and Hotaru as the type of couple who would wait for the other at the gates to the afterlife before going though.

>>2380622
Shit, I can imagine the same to be honest. But we must belive that Yuma will save Hotaru.

>>2380627

I definitely believe, I want to believe love will prevail.

Well, considering literally everything our heroines do blows up horribly in their faces, at least it turns out Fujiwara's plan didn't seem to go according to keikaku

What is Hotaru's endgame for herself? And can she ever love another woman besides Yuma?

>>2380633

Can even adorable Yuma not melt Fuji's ice heart? How can anyone bring themselves to hurt such a nice girl?

>>2380634
>What is Hotaru's endgame for herself? And can she ever love another woman besides Yuma?
Disappear (probably kill herself). No, she only will love Yuma, she is her true love.

>>2380637
She is planning to disappear (so as to not to be tempted to interfere with Yuma's life), but it's by moving to her own place somewhere else, definitely not killing herself.

>>2380640
Yes, but I don't doubt that she actually tries that.

>>2380642
She is not going try to kill herself.

Why do people have all these dumb ideas about what's going to happen?

>>2380642

I only think she'd hurt herself (maybe not kill though) if Yuma gets some form of serious abuse because of what she feels is her fault.

>a yuri manga where people shoudn't find out that lesbians are lesbians

Just great.

>>2380647

I think it's good to show the issues in coming out and realizing you're gay though.

>>2380644
Because she is making the person that she loves more than anything hates her, she not have any plans for her future, doesn't have anyone else besides Yuma, wants to disappear from everyone's life, mainly Yuma's and hates herself. That is pretty much fucked up already.

>>2380647
????

That's par for the course?

>>2380652

I was a bit weirded out at first when I first read Citrus and every girl on the show was gay...until I realized it wasn't written for straight guys like me, then it was fine.

>>2380649
I'm not so sure Yuma is purely gay. She clearly has feelings for Takeda, they're just nowhere near the level of love she feels for Hotaru. I always got the feeling from reading the manga that if Hotaru just happened to be a boy, they would've still gotten together. Hotaru I'm not so sure about, she has her own fucked up personality and issues.

>>2380652
I remember when in Flag Time the protagonist told in front of the entire class that she was in love with the other girl. Then it shows that she might have problems in the future, but she was happy because she was herself.

Here Kodama is putting as something terrible no one should ever know about.

>>2380649
>make sex with a girl and enjoys it
>doesn't know she's gay

I mean, really?

>>2380656
She does seem physically attracted to him at all though. 'I'm not repulsed by you so I could probably sleep with you if I had to to avoid hurting your feelings' seems like a pretty low bar for bisexuality.

>>2380659
doesn't*
that's what I get for posting while exhausted

>>2380658
>Here Kodama is putting as something terrible no one should ever know about.
That's not actually what she's done.

>>2380658

It's not portraying it as bad if it's leading up to ultimate acceptance though, and critical of society for thinking it's wrong. Give it a chance, the fallout hasn't barely begun yet.

And if Yuma is fucked in the head about her sexuality, then it was society that made her like that.

And are we all sure we're not just underestimating how nice Yuma is as a person? Maybe she doesn't have 'feelings' but she cares for him?

>>2380660

Rollercoaster doesn't stop, m8.

>>2380661

Does anyone actually trust Japan to handle such sensitive issues?

>>2380662
It won't. That would mean progress, something this manga won't have. Pretty sure people will buy Hotaru's lie and say: "oh, thank god, Yuma is normal". Then we will start another Hotaru's drama.
Her last soap opera ended up with the character being as fucked up as they start, so I don't see why people think it'll be different here. Ending will probably be as fucked up as it's now.

>>2380655
>until I realized it wasn't written for straight guys like me, then it was fine.

And who do you think an author who uses porn aimed at straight male as reference is drawing for?

>>2380676
A lot of yuri manga does it right, actually.
Most of them will never be popular, because stupid irrational melodrama sells more.

>>2380676
Yuri mangaka are much better at the topic of sexuality than /u/ is. Especially when it comes to Japan's views on homosexuality.

>>2380681
The idea that NTR doesn't progress is just crazy.

>>2380683
That's absurd, how could a Japanese woman know more about homosexuality in Japan than me, a white cis basement-dwelling American man?

>>2380684
You know what is crazy? 17 chapters with girls kissing and having sex, while one of them thinks she's straight.

>>2380685
Fact is that Kodama's view differ from pretty much every other female yuri author. Kodama is probably straight to begin with, so why would she knows better?

>>2380687
>Kodama is probably straight to begin with
>implying being a lesbian has anything to do with producing good yuri

>>2380687
What's crazy is that you can have such a terrible understanding of a fairly simple manga.

>Fact is that Kodama's view differ from pretty much every other female yuri author.
You are bound to have a completely nonsensical idea about what she believes.

>>2380681
>And who do you think an author who uses porn aimed at straight male as reference is drawing for?

Sorry, what do you mean?

>A lot of yuri manga does it right, actually.

Can you recommend me some? I'm interested.

>>2380687

Isn't she just scared to admit it?

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>>2380538
>>2380548

>>2380691
Well, regardless of Kodama being a lesbian or not, she doesn't make good yuri.

>>2380691
I said that because someone implied only a japanese woman could understand homossexuality in Japan. That's wrong. If you're going that way, only a lesbian would. What I meant is that she's probably not better in that than a lot of people on here now.
And seriously, someone believes Kodama's writing is how japanese society actually is?

>>2380693
Flag Time, as said above is the opposite of NTR, where the protagonist actually realizes she has to act to help the girl she loves.
There's also Dear My Teacher, almost everything by Morishima Akiko. A lot of writers in the old YH was like that.

They don't pretend homossexuality isn't rejected by a lot of people on society, but they don't paint it as hell on earth either.

>>2380729
>where the protagonist actually realizes she has to act to help the girl she loves.

This is a little unfair, Hotaru is being extremely misguided but she is trying to do exactly that.

>>2380734
I meant Yuma. In Flag Time, the girl the protagonist like is mentally unstable for some reasons. It's a similar situation.

>>2380737

But when Hotaru is acting like she doesn't give a shit about her, I can kinda' see why is unsure of what to do.

>>2380729
>I said that because someone implied only a japanese woman could understand homossexuality in Japan. That's wrong.
Learn to read.

>>2380528
Yandere Yuma when?

>>2380752

What harm can she do? She's too soft. I just picture her 'rampaging' down a hallway, tearing posters off walls and running straight into Hotaru's embrace, who then pats her Yuma's head as she rests it in her chest.

>>2380754
>What harm can she do?
Slap Hotaru until she stops slowly suiciding like she is.

>>2380755

I keep forgetting Yuma is actually taller than Hotaru. :3

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>>2380752
>>2380754

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>>2380765

>>2380765
>>2380766
I want her to act aggressive and possessive with Hotaru.

>>2380766

This actually makes me really happy to see, and I'm sure deep down Hotaru would love to know Yuma feels like that.

Is the anime worth watching? I am very sceptical.

Fujiwara is such adouche... And for hotaru to be so cold.... Fuck this manga... The part of me that wants this to work cant handle being played... YumaxHotaru forever.... *cries fujoshi waterfall tears*

>>2380650
You're retarded if you think she's going to kill herself.

Anyone got the screencap of where Hotaru has her hands around Yuma saying that she belongs to her?

Theyll get over it. This manga is dark but not that dark.

>>2380766

Nope, that's Yuma with her hands around Hotaru, which is a nice thought because Yuma is Hotaru's baby despite being the bigger girl....but it's not actually happening.

>>2380805
What are you being sceptical of? It's short, and not like it deviated from the manga. You also get to hear their voices which is nice . Ep2's animation is better than the premier.

>>2380857
I haven't read the manga either. I am sceptical because of the premise. Hetshit into NTR.

So Takeda punched Fujiwara and most likely will be the one who will bring Hotaru and Yuma together. I've never seen the guy being the hero in a yuri manga, no wonder why the guy is the most popular character in Japan

>>2380898

Not trolling but, how many lesbians on /u/ will be pissed off if this is what happens? If so, can it ever be done in a 'right' way to have the guy help the lesbian couple blossom?

I dont really think a guy could really help unless he unknowingly helps her realize how she feels about her feelings for the the other person, or maybe it could work like hes a bro\best friend\wingman\sibling whose support.

Luky for Yuma, Takeda might play that role.

I dont think its about lezbians getting pissed off, i thinks its more of a reader wanting the ending they expected from a so called yuri. But even that is just an assumption. Its more just an all around drama that has het and yuri aspects.

>>2380930
>I dont think its about lezbians getting pissed off, i thinks its more of a reader wanting the ending they expected from a so called yuri.

But let's be honest, the only reader's whose opinion matter are the target audience and that's not straight males, it might be 'bad writing' or 'pandering' but nothing wrong with lesbian manga written for lesbians involve lesbians saving the day...or am I being guilty of also presuming what the gay community does and doesn't want?

>>2380901
The problem isn't with a male defending and fighting for the lesbians to get together, the problem is that the lesbians themselves seem to be making no effort towards that.

>>2380609
Damn, do you know what Fujiwara said to Takeda?

>>2380930
>Its more just an all around drama that has het and yuri aspects.
It really isn't. It's very obviously and blatantly yuri.

>>2381068
Again, using google translate so take it with a grain of salt.

>These guys were playing around behind your back
>I'm [just trying] to open your eyes

But Takeda hits him again afterwards so.

Fuji starting to already get violent in the latest episode was a little unsettling to be honest, made even worse that Hotaru had to recover herself by being with Yuma yet couldn't tell her the truth,

>>2380915
I think that when Hotaru can get Yuma turned on easy and her supposed boyfriend can't, that's a pretty big tell.

>>2380954
This. A supportive male character in a yuri manga can be done right.
But when it come at the cost of the female characters being useless, it just become annoying.

>>2380805
No

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>>2381121

Where were you, Yuma. ;_;

>>2380948
Fuck off with your lgbt shit

>>2381243
>>>/lgbt/

Faggot

>>2381216
Thank you.

>>2381245

I know where the /lgbt board is, thanks. If I wanted to be amongst faggots I'd go to /a/.

>>2381247
>If I wanted to be amongst faggots I'd go to /a/.
Well played.

Not who you are replying to, but I think they're trying to say that what the gay community thinks, wants or likes is of very little to no relevance to both this board and/or people that watch or like NTR or any other yuri work.

I didn't understand anything but the new chapter seems disappointing. Nothing really happens aside from Takeda punching Fujiwara? And I guess we don't get to know what was Yuma's answer to Takeda.

>>2381242
>>2381245
you should get the fuck off and back to /d/

>>2381507

I know it will be hypocritical on Hotaru's part, but if Yuma shags Takeda will she be hurt?

>>2381509
Obviously she'll be hurt, but she might just accept it.

>>2380538
Thanks

>>2381509
She'd probably try to kill herself.

>>2381566

Is this a meme now? Hotaru would probably be hurt but she would also realize she can't really judge Yuma for it.

>>2381597
>Is this a meme now?
ikr, people been bringing this 'Hotaru will kill herself' thing all the time now

>>2381509
>but if Yuma shags Takeda will she be hurt?
But isn't this what Hotaru wants to happen so Yuma would be in normal not lesbian relationship since she thinks she doesn't deserve her at all?

We don't know if Takeda hit Fujwiara for releasing that photo to hurt Yuma cause she's his gf now or that she's just his friend and he was rejected again so he's also pissed off a little.

For this trainwreck to go Yuma needs to date Takeda and have sex with him to put Hotaru in the same situation she was with her before and her doing things with Fujiwara.
But then this won't change anything in characters dynamic sicne they don't really communciate with each other.

The only thing which could break status quo is If Yuma came out on her own saying she was in love with Hotaru but she rejected her and she isn't dating Takeda either. But this would make her awesome and doesn't really fit Kodama heroines writing. Or Yuma would start dating some new girl, that would push Hotaru buttons even more, but then it would have too much lesbianity for Kodama taste.

>>2380687
>Kodama is probably straight to begin with
No straight woman has the patience and need to draw highly detailed naked females.kissing in other almost every day of the year. Because mind you, these chapters are released every month, which means she has to draw them almost every day. And also Yuri is a.niche genre to draw it only for profit.

Is there English translation out yet on new Ch.?

>>2381780
No!! Don't beg.
The new chapter just came out and you're already asking for a translation.
This is really uncool.

>>2381780
>>>/a/159836578

>>2381780
We still don't have the raws, imagine the chapter translated!

>>2381818
Holy shit, Hotaru is the best girl indeed, but that was savage ugh.

>>2381818
Thank you. Do you have any link for Citrus's raw?

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Hot Yuma.

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and Hotaru.

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>>2381843
It really shows you just how dead inside (and completely alone without Yuma) Hotaru is, that she was able to throw herself and her social standing under the bus like that and not even be phased by it.

>>2381881
Yes, damn, Yuma really needs to save her.

Chapter 21 http://imgur.com/a/bNTfE
This is only a provisional version, until chaosteam release their version.

>>2382086
Shame author of course had to hide if Yuma accepted dating Takeda back or not, from Yuma being so shocked about the picture being released maybe for me it looks she agreed to do it and was mad this hindered her action, it would alkso make sense for Fujiwara to release it upon hearing she agreed to date him back, now it looks like Fujiwara will delete the picture and will say sorry next due to either Takeda action or Hotaru talking with him.
Looks we again gone few steps backwards.

>>2381908

She will, don't worry, she just forgot the promise she made.>>2381221

(Weird to see Hotaru crying behind Yuma here)

>>2382086
Hotaru you really are a jerk sometimes! How could you say that? Sometimes I really wonder if you do love Yuma

>>2382121
She did that to protect her, she literally took all the blame.

>>2382124

And it shows that she literally loves Yuma more than herself. ;_;

It seems drastic, but I mean, they had pictures so she had to make sure. I'm fairly sure she hates herself for saying some of that shit.

>>2382124
Agree, its Hotaru's warped way of protecting Yuma. She clearly loves Yuma and will do anything to protect her. Even if it means making a total mess of her own heart in the process (which she reflects upon in ch.7).

>>2382156

Doesn't she resent that she has to do this deep down though?

>>2382163
Obviously. However, Hotaru has been pretty enigmatic so far, and we may never get her direct pov.

>>2382166
I hope Kodama delivers a chap with her pov. We really need one.

>>2382173
I'd like an entire bonus volume that recaps some of the series from her pov,

>>2382181
Would be really nice if Kodama does that, the sadness would be great and I would get really depressed.

>>2382187

I quite like that Yuma and Hotaru's journey to eventually reconcile and become one strong entity isn't clean, it will make the happiness they deserve and eventually get that much sweeter.

>>2382190
Totally this. Will be great when they be together.

>>2382193

I feel that if things escalate to Hotaru getting hurt and Yuma sees it, and her not being able to deny it like she did the black eye, will snap Yuma out of her delusion.

>>2382202
Yeah, if Yuma see Hotaru's real side, maybe she will notice what is really going on with her.

>>2382210

Well, she promised to fend off the bullies, this time the bullies are next level. Has Yuma seen Hotaru cry since they started high school and got Boyfriends.

>>2382211
No, Yuma doesn't saw Hotaru cry again since middle school when she started to date boys.

>>2382218

I want to say that will be the trigger but I can't see Hotaru having any tears left.

>>2382220
She was crying here >>2380477. I think that she doesn't show this side to anyone, only when she is alone.

>>2382225

Why was she crying when she finally slept with Yuma?

>>2382254
because reality slapped her in the face and made her realize that even if she's slept with yuma, it doesn't make yuma hers. in her mind, she has no chance with yuma at all so it's very painful for her, hence the crying

>>2382568
>in her mind, she has no chance with yuma at all
If that's true then why the hell she hurt Yuma calling her a lesbo and all that when Yuma tried to confess her true feelings to her?

What the hell Yuma needs to do to make Hotaru realise her love for her is real than just some practice playing phase?

Kiss her in front of whole class?

>>2382568

That's so sad, I bet when she made love to Yuma the night before it was the greatest day of her life, too.

>>2382254
Because she knew she was planning to push Yuma away.

>>2382086
Interesting enough, I just hope it finally leads to something moving forward with /some/ of the relationships instead of Yuma diving back into the closet and things going back to the status quo with maximum angst. Like, I'm just bored.

>>2382577
Maybe she just wants Yuma to live a "normal" life without having to deal with the homosexuality stigma that would come by having a relationship with her.

>>2382086
>"I wanted to make you open your eyes"
>leaks the photo to the whole school instead of showing it only to Takeda
This fucking guy.

>>2382631
They can live together as friends (roommates), they don't need to tell the others what they do in secret

>>2382656

But then they couldn't even show affection in public, that's BS.

>>2382656
It's more likely that Hotaru doesn't think Yuma is a lesbian (she doesn't know all that the readers know), so from Hotaru's perspective she's kind of seduced Yuma and ruined her relationship with a boy. A relationship with a nice guy like Takeda, being able to marry and have children, is going to seem like it's more likely to leave Yuma happier long term than with Hotaru, who is a self-destructive individual who has always been a bit of social disaster, particularly with her reputation as a slut.

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Damn, Kodama is a sadist, this photo broken my heart. It's so sad, why can't Yuma be happy like this?

Hotaru has the most expressive eyes sometimes, you can tell her emotional state just from them alone.

>>2382698

Why does Manga Yuma have brown hair and Anime Yuma have pink hair?

>>2382716
Because cartoons.

Someone will buy the vol 5 to get the drama cd?

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Kodama is a perv , like me.

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Could someone translate these 4 pages pls?

>>2380237
Wow, you must of really hated KnM then huh onee-sama?

Keep bitching please.

>>2383223
I can't hate something I never watched.
I heard it's shit, though.

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>>2382577
i kind of took that as hotaru desperately trying not to get her hopes up because she's been proven right before. and yuma was actually the one who first told hotaru that it doesn't count when it's between two girls, and considering how warped hotaru is, she's probably tried to convince herself that whatever yuma is doing doesn't mean anything and she absolutely cannot let herself believe that it means anything more than just "practice."

in a previous chapter, hotaru also said that she's given up, so she probably didn't even entertain the thought that yuma might actually return her feelings.

>>2383264

>is that so

That fucking destroyed her, didn't it?

>>2383272
i'm sure it did. look at her now. she spat it back to yuma without yuma even realizing she's said the exact same thing to her in the beginning

pls, is there any dojin art of these two actually being happy, like of Hotaru holding Yuma tightly or something. I swear, going back and forth between this general and the Citrus one is killing me.

>>2383277

Yet she still couldn't bring herself to leave Yuma to the wolves. ;_;

Hotaru is actually pretty strong.

The anime eps are only 8 mins long?
Are you fucking serious?

>>2383294

Yeah, thinking if that's all I'm getting each week, I may as well just read the manga, I trust it won't take long to catch up. And I just caught up with Citrus too, so I'm sorta' wanting for Yuri now.

>>2383303
I'm just hoping the Citrus anime won't be a fiasco like this one.
It's a shame because Netsuzou Trap is good.

>>2383303
"Girlfriends" by Milk is a good starting point

Finally watched this, it is bad but it is animated yuri so might as well give it a watch.

Did... did they implied that Mr. Indifferent raped Hotaru? Is NTR this edgy or am I just imaging things? Also why would Hotaru date all the handsome guys from school if she's clearly into chicks?

>>2383373
Hotaru started dating guys in middle school to get back at Yuma who had started distancing herself to hang out with other friends. Eventually she got tired of dealing with them and made an agreement with Fujiwara to basically exchange her body for him keeping other guys from bothering her. Hotaru considers her self worth well below zero, as you'll come to see.

>>2383398

But what is the cause for her low self esteem? Is it literally if she can't be with Yuma she doesn't care anything?

>>2383513
It's just bad writing. Don't overthink it.

>>2383513
She was a shy kid who didn't socialize well from the beginning and she doesn't have a close family to support her. The only person who likes her is Yuma, so there's next to nothing for her to base self esteem on. Getting male attention because of her looks just made things worse.

>>2383546
>dakimakura of lesbians
Literally why.

>>2383514
It isn't.

>>2383513
>>2383524
This. Her family isn't around and she was ostracized when she was little. Yuma was literally the only person in her life who seemed to like her and she started hanging out with her less because she had other friends (i.e. the one person in the world who valued her seemed to replace her with 'better' friends). The girls at her school besides Yuma dislike her and talk behind her back because she's attractive and popular with the guys, and the guys are all only interested in her body. It's not hard to see how she's been falling deeper and deeper into the mindset that she is worthless.

>>2383548
...for other lesbians?

I know that's not true but it's nice to lie to myself.

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>>2383551

>>2383548
So you can buy 2 and smoosh them together

>>2383548
To try converting them into straight girls after giving them the D.

>>2383548
With all the lesbians converting fetishism the show has, why not?

>>2383551
>Lesbian start fuckng guys because her bff got other friends
>not bad writing

You know, that would only happen in real life if the girl was literally retard. Even then it would be hard.

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Yuma is gay for Hotaru since middle school.

>>2383565
>Girl with literally no one except her best friend is ditched by that friend for new friends
>Starts dating a male classmate to get back at her for the perceived abandonment, trying to make her feel like the abandoned one.

No, it really isn't bad writing. That seems like a pretty spot on reaction.

>You know, that would only happen in real life if the girl was literally retard. Even then it would be hard.
It happens all the fucking time. Are you retarded or just unbelievably sheltered?

Yuma is fucking cute as hell but all that dhit just posted made me a bit pissed off towards her.

>>2383565
You must have a too simplistic view of sexuality, because it really wouldn't be hard for a girl that age to not be clear on her feelings regarding sex and not know what to expect, and therefore having guys hitting on her, accept and experiment even if she doesn't actually feel attracted to them.

>>2383580
I mean, it's not like she can be blamed. She was being a typical kid. Kids make new friends easily and switch friend groups easily, and they aren't the best and realizing the impacts of their actions. Hotaru has just always been in a shitty situation that leaves her vulnerable to feeling thrown away.

>>2383513
It's hentai logic. Don't overthink it.

>>2383577
The first one is not that unlikely but it doesn't happen all the time either. A lesbian fucking guys because she can't have the girl she wants is fucking stupid and unrealistic, stop defending shit writing. Either Hotaru is bisexual or the writing is really dumb

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>>2383398
What the fuck

Is there at least some cute yuri incoming, I am disgusted and it sounds like what's coming it's a character pathetically torturing another into kisses and sex. I like yuri, but not like this.

Not like this.

>>2383595
You're really dumb.

>>2383604
(You)

>>2383581
Sure, but those girls doesn't actively have lesbian sex. If Hotaru doesn't know about her sexuality after all she did with Yuma, she has serious problems.

>>2383597
I wouldn't be surprised if the series success comes from guys who dreams about fucking lesbians, to be honest.
It's NTR, but it's the girls being NTRed by het. I still don't get how any yuri fan can defend it.

>>2383597
There are lots of cute yuri out there, anon. I guess you're talking about anime. Well, I doubt either Citrus or Ntr anime will do well, but if they do YH may decide a TodoIto anime too. But that has lots of angst instead of the drama you see here

>>2383610
She almost certainly does know now. She started dating boys years before that, in her early teens. Then she gained a reputation as an easy slut. She's used to having sex she doesn't enjoy, doesn't really care about herself in that way if it's a means to an end.

>>2383617
>Citrus
>NTR
>Todolto
God dammit. So much angsty yuri out there and this is what gets adapted.
>Octave will never be adapted

>>2383617
Not a big fan of TodoIto, but at least it's better written and the characters making sense. Hoping it'll kill NTR relevance soon.

>>2383622
People who hate themselves cut their arms or some shit like that. Girls get in fucked up relationships because they think they love the guy. Going out with someone to punish yourself is soap opera level bullshit. No one does something that elaborated.
It's okay that you like this shit, but stop pretending this is how people realistically act.

>>2383630
>>2383633
I don't care about these getting animes if it means I'll see yagakimi and Yuzumori-san getting anime too.
>tfw Yuri Mekuru Chibi anime never

Thinking about it, would NTR be as successful if it was written by a guy? I wonder if people buy on Kodama's bullshit because she's a woman, but would find it creepy otherwise.

Yuri Danshi was cancelled for less than that. (Not defending it, I think it was a good thing)

>>2383640
>Yuri Danshi was cancelled for less than that. (Not defending it, I think it was a good thing)
Yuri Danshi was cancelled because it stopped being funny (how many times you can laugh at faulty yuri fanboy from the same joke each chapter that yuri is just his delusion and it doesn't happen in real life for him to witness or him arguing with other guys about it) and for unknown reason author started to show the yuri fangirl having romantic feeling for yuri fanboy without any sign of actual yuri in it at all later. Author then crying that he planned a yuri development in it and that it would have yuri ending later after it got axed was just pathetic attempt to save his face.

And it's a bit sad cause Kurata had one of the most interesting setting in yuri in his one-shots, shame he and the new at that time, editor decide to force YD for so long isnetad of trying a normal new yuri serialisation in it place.

>>2383633
I didn't say she's doing it to punish herself. She doesn't enjoy the sex, but it's not like girl is only going to have sex either because she enjoys it or because she thinks she loves a guy. Hotaru made a deal with Fujiwara to serve her purposes.

>>2383640
The sequel was cancelled because it didn't sell. People saying it was for het are just speculating and are probably wrong.

>>2383646
>shame he and the new at that time, editor
Most of what you wrote is pure speculation, but on this point you show how little you actually know about what you're claiming: the editor was the founding editor of YH (and Yuri Shimai).

>>2383633
>No one does something that elaborated.It's okay that you like this shit, but stop pretending this is how people realistically act.
But they do. I know plenty of people who get into fucked up relationships because they are self destructive

>>2383561
In those fetishes the conversion works, doesn't it? It isn't in this show.

>>2383842
The guy still get to fuck a lesbian, though. Lesbian rape fetish.

>>2383848
Projecting.

>>2383548
It's pretty normal for anything animated to get merchandise like this. Dumbass otaku will buy anything. Not saying it's good, mind you.

>>2383633
>People who hate themselves cut their arms or some shit like that. Girls get in fucked up relationships because they think they love the guy. Going out with someone to punish yourself is soap opera level bullshit. No one does something that elaborated.
>It's okay that you like this shit, but stop pretending this is how people realistically act.

People often enter unhealthy relationships as a form of self-destruction, so it'd be quite realistic. But as >>2383713 pointed out, that isn't why Hotaru started dating Fujiwara. She started dating him because the other guys were increasingly harassing and getting pushy with her, and she needed a way to get them to go away. She continues to keep up the charade with him, not because she's trying to punish herself, but because Hotaru's self-worth is so low that she doesn't give a shit what happens to herself, and she thinks fake-dating someone better would be unfair to them.

I think people are trying to much find complex reasons in the writing of a woman who admits that her inspiration is erotic art for men.
Take a guess, why would she try to emulate erotic art that men like?

>>2383930
You're being dumb. These aren't complex ideas at all.

>>2380520
Pretty much my main issue with this series and Hotaru's character. The continuing hetshit pisses me off, particularly in the last few chapters, but I can't really complain about it since it is the central gimmick here anyway.

It seems like the idea of Fujiwara being some sort of primary antagonist here is just misdirection, honestly. The author might give us some of his backstory and motivation to make him more sympathetic as a character, but I don't think that really matters at this point. I mean yeah he is an obstacle, but Hotaru is her own worst enemy and he just enables her. The series pretty much boils down to Hotaru being an insufferable cunt, even if there is some plot justification of it.

>>2379317
Shin, read the manga and quit speculating. The rest of us all know what's going to happen because there's like 20 or somthing chapters out now.

>>2382095
>Fujiwara
>Apologising
>Ever
Nee-chan, you're living in delusional world.

>>2382698
Let's play "Find Hotaru's right hand"

>>2383305
It's literally the manga being used as a script. If you love the manga so much, how can you call it a fiasco? Even with the hit-or-miss animation...

>>2383558
(You)
Now, please leave.

>>2384296
I noticed her hand too anon, Hotaru is a perv pfft.

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>>2384258
>Hotaru being an insufferable cunt
Kill yourself, Hotaru did nothing wrong.

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>Episode 03
So... blackmail and... reverse NTR, huh?

>>2384345
Just read the manga, dork.

They covered 2 chapters this time, mostly skipping stuff from chapter 4.

>>2384362
They will end on chapter 13 then.

>>2384362
>They covered 2 chapters this time, mostly skipping stuff from chapter 4.

I would like to think they'll put the stuff that was in the beginning of chapter 4 next episode because that was hot

>>2384378
Now that 1 episode has done 2 chapters, I'm not expecting the rest to all just be 1:1 like the 1st 2 episodes

>>2384378
I forgot what happened in Ch. 13?

>>2384362
Terrible episode. So rushed.

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lol light

>>2384538
What did you expect? BD maybe gives us some hope

>>2384519

They totally ruined the weight that this moment had on Hotaru.>>2383264

>>2384538

Is she grinding her groin full on against Yuma's ass there?

>>2383272
Oh shit.

>>2383264
I need to reread from the beginning to see what else I overlooked

>>2384622
That's hawt. they basically had sex that chapter then...shit I wish they'd shown it

>>2384663

wut

Anyone else feel like anime makes Hotaru easier to understand and what her intentions are ? In the manga I felt like Hotaru was difficult to understand and whatnot but with the anime, I'm like "Oh I see...."

>>2382716
Revolutionary Girl Utena in anime she has pink hair, in manga Blonde. It happens.

>>2384677
>I want to fuck Yuma so bad
>But I don't want her to know and to grow up normal
>Fujiwara's an asshole, but he knows

???

How is that hard to understand?

>>2384677
What? Only the first few chapters made sense for Hotaru's behavior. But then Kodama fucked it up so bad that if she will not give a very good damn reason for Hotaru's latest behavior, her character will goona be irredeemable shitty and can get lost.

Fuji is literally raping Hotaru now, and the only reason Hotaru allows it is because she loves Yuma so much. ;_;

Just going to wallow in sadness for a bit.

>>2384684

You mean she's took the facade too far?

>>2384684
First, fuck off until you can actually speak English well enough to type like you're not a slow child. Second, Hotaru is quite easy to understand, you're just stupid.

>>2384708
Yikes someone's a spazz. Calm your tits boy.

>>2384687
Yeah.

>>2384708
Fuck off.

>>2384715

Is Hotaru herself scared to come out in public?

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>>2384714
>You're a spazz because you're tired of ESL shitters lowering the quality of the board.

>>2384325
>people unironically believe this
kek

Why does Hotaru want Yuma to herself yet when Yuma basically confesses she likes her like that (girl x girl), Hotaru acts like she's not into that????

>>2384845
What's endgame guys?

Why the hell does fujiwara easily hit a girl but doesn't fight Takeda back at all when Takeda incites violence on him?! Ugh

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>>2383555
This is the only appropriate answer tbqh.

>>2384855
Gee I wonder

>>2384865
Don't you mean you wonder >>>/y/

>>2384870
yes quite

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Are you FUCKING kidding me, Yuma? If Hotaru didn't have eyes only for you I'd say you didn't deserve her.

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>>2385360

FUCKS sake, getting angry now.

>>2385360
>>2385368
She's too much retarded.