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Extinct houses edition

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>>87263640
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>targshits will defend this
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STANNIS S TANNIS S TANNIS
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sad react
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>>87268729
Show me anywhere it says you cant appoint fire as champion. Not Aerys fault Rickard didnt appoint water his own.
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>>87268689
>extinct
Think again, my dude. House Rowboat has a long and fruitful future ahead of them
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>>87268689
tfw fire is the best champion
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Post your favorite characters that are still alive in the series.
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now that all proper actors are killed off

who do you miss most ?
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HOLY SHIT

ROBB AND EDMURE GOT KILLED BY GREGOR CLEGANE AS THEY'RE TRYING TO MARCH ON TYRION

MEME DWARD STRIKES BACK AND HOUSE LANNISTER STANDS STRONG

AND WHO

ARE YOU
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>>87268806
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>>87268790
Water couldn't quench wildifire
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>>87268806

Beric dondarrion
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>>87268877
Lots of water then.
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>>87268792
Not a baratheon
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YOUR GRACE!?
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>>87268870
No heirs?
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Why is GURM so punchable, lads?
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>>87268792
Proof hes a Baratheon please. I want a signed birth certificate from Robert.
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>>87268689
ours is the foory
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What about Harrenhal?
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One of Euron's men were using kraken brass knuckles
but for what purpose would you use brass knuckles in a swordfight
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>>87268997
>Lansel fetch me more religious fanaticism

what did robert mean by this?
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>watching S2
>that Renly death

wtf he was husbando

That plotline went nowhere
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>>87269024
Edric Storm was acknowledged by Robert
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>>87269074
Beating captured saltwives
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>>87269132
Okay, i wasnt asking about a cut character. I was asking about Gendry.
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>>87268999
Only Bran (a cripple), Rickon (too young to rule) and Sansa (female) are left.

House Tully is pretty much extinct. Cat and Lysa are around and well, but they're widowed, so it doesn't look like it'll be continued. I seriously didn't expect this. Tywin, Cersei and Jaime strike back from beyond the grave.

Meanwhile Tyrion has a genius son he called Tywin who isn't a dwarf. The Lions seem to have come back from the brink of defeat. Holy shit.
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>>87269006
he's that passive-aggressive fat beta nobody likes, yeah he made it and credit to him but that was mostly through writing about his cuckold experiences
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>>87269071

Ayy shapoze
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>>87268897
good post
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>>87268689
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>>87269132
Reminder this is Edric in the show
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>>87269159
>Gendry
Gendry is an amalgamation of Gendry 'the Bull' and Edric Storm
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HOUSE LANNISTER IS BEST HOUSE
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>>87268865
she unironically looked great in season 7
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>>87269169
>that was mostly through writing about his cuckold experiences

And ripping off better writers.
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Who would you pick as your bf?

>Loras
>Oliver
>Renly
>Gendry
>Robb
>Jon
>Ramsey
>Trystane Martell

Robb is the best choice here
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>>87269321
>more good trilogies
ehh most of Hobbs stuff is shit
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>>87269321
And who ended up with a /tv/ show deal?
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>>87269281
>Psychotic paranoid brotherfucking terrorist
>Kingslaying dyslexic sisterfucking attempted child killer
>Kinslaying alcoholic dwarf

unironically agree
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>in the course of the show, we saw the complete decimation of house Baratheon, Tyrell, Martell, Frey, Bolton, and God's Willing, Greyjoy.
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>wildlings have a yorkshire accent

?????????????
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>>87269380
Could he be a new Bond?
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>>87269380
>not Jaime
Shit list.
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>>87269413
I'm glad Farseer didn't get a TV show, they would've ruined it.
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ungel benden
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>>87269163
Bucle up, buckaroo, after he's done with them he's coming for you
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>>87269445
Even if Euron/Theon/Asha all die
There's still Aeron and Victarion
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*blocks your coronation*
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>>87269380
I think Jaime is qt (no homo) but I wouldn't pick him because I wouldn't want to take him away from Cersei desu

Going off your list I would pick Loras
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>daily reminder that the Greyjoy brothers also practised incest but it was gay rape incest
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So...

Night King has blue fire
Dany has red fire
And Cersei has green fire

What happens if you put them all together?
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>>87269445
>just in time for Constitutional Federal Representative Democracy to be installed
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>>87269510
>Aeron and Victarion in the show
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>>87269321
>AGOT took one year to write, edit, and get a publisher's deal
Noh.
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>>87268689

> Extinct house
> More kids than all other kings combined.
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>>87269578
brown fire
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>>87269578
Brownfyre
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>>87268689
“I looked for you in the plane scene” Bane said to them.
“We were not there,” The man in charge answered.
“Woe to the big guys if we had been,” said one of CIA's men.
“When the plane crashed, the masketta man slew CIA with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were.”
“Far away,” Another of CIA's men said, “or CIA would yet be in the plane, and the masketta man would burn in seven hells.”
“I came down in the plane crash to lift the siege,” Bane told them, ."and the CIA agents dipped their banners, and all their big guys bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them.”
“Our knees do not bend easily,” said the man in charge.
“Dr. Pavel is fled to Dragonstone, with the flight plan you filed with the agency. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
“Dr. Pavel is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell. “But not of the Big Guys Guard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Big Guys Guard does not flee.”
“Then or now,” said the man in charge. He donned his helm.
“We swore a vow,” explained one of CIA's men.
Bane’s wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
“And now it begins,” said the man in charge. He unsheathed a flight plan and held it with both hands.
“No,” Bane said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends.”
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>>87269578
>brown fire
Coincidentally this is the name of GRRM's next book series
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>>87269467
yes

>>87269477
Well, Jaime would just cheat on you either way, anon

>>87269557
Good pick
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>>87269614

No legitimate heirs
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>>87269614
>house
>acknowledged kids
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>>87269380
why wasn't he allowed to wear this?
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>>87269690
hurr durr muh marriage

jewish invention
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>>87269589
Aeron is in the show tho
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>having a confederation of kingdoms
>no consolidation or central army
>no unifying religion

So it's like a dumb holy roman empire?
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>>87269648
>and now it begins
For you
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>>87269746
tfw when aeron is supposed to be younger than euron
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>>87269648

>“And now it begins, big guy,” said the man in charge. He unsheathed a >flight plan and held it with both hands.
>“No,” Bane said with sadness in his voice. “Now it ends, for you..”

fixed it a bit
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>>87269747
actually, it's just like the holy roman empire
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>>87269159
>the absolute state of shartmerican show retards
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>>87268792
he's a bastard and can't pass on his father's name
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>>87269742

>legitimacy not important in a feudal setting

Must be a blackfyre fucking shit
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>>87268689

OURS
is the
DEAD PLOT LINE
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>>87269609
Robin Hobb is a friend of GURM's and was his oneitis, she probably shared her ideas with him and he ripped them off.
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>>87269321
makes me feel better about my writing ""career""
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>>87269747
Yes. But defending the 7 Kingdoms, the central authority and consolidation of power, population, and finances required to field a professional standing army is immense. And was only achieved on our world in the Late Medieval period. Armies in Westeros are most likely primarily comprised of levied soldiers from fielded peasants. Despite what the show shows where all Lannister troops are wearing plate and are sewmingly skilled warriors.
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>>87269659
You've got it wrong, it's brown water.
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>>87269380
>no radmure
shiggy
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>>87269321
Googling this shit, it sounds fucking retarded and hardly similar. I imagine you can cherry pick a lot of similarities like this between any two fantasy series.

Also, it's written by a woman, so I have serious doubts as to the quality you're purporting.
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>>87270030
>Despite what the show shows where all Lannister troops are wearing plate
Lannisters are rich.
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>>87270051

Who is Sunset?
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>>87270065
It's extremely similar. GURM is a hack thief.
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>>87269380
>Not the Hound
Pleb
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>>87269578
blackfyre
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>the two worst actors on the show stay alive for 7 seasons
really hate this meme
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>>87269477
Is it gay to be attracted to Jaime? All the girls I know just like Jon.
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>>87268877
I CHOOSE THE NARROW SEA AS MY CHAMPION
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>>87270030
the armies are also rather small.

going of the show visuals (not the books) even the mighty lannister army that took highgarden in a afternoon doesn't look a man over 5000, which would only be considered big in around 2000 b.c
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>>87270126

Hound is the reddit choic if you wanna be a bottomfag, if you are a top you go with loras or oliver
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>Martin repeatedly gets asked in Q&A sessions how "Damphair" is pronounced, to which he has repeatedly had to explain that it is simply "damp hair" because he has long hair and wades into the sea much of the time

Are bookfags the dumbest fuckers of all time
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>>87270030
If one or two families are capable of dominating the rest then why not just cull them permanently?
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>>87270081
Yeah it probably makes sense for them out of most houses.
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>>87270149
i don't think their bad actor. i think their caracthers are poorly written, or not at all.

kit used to be ok, and had some fun scenes in the previous seasons, especially behiond the wall
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aagghhh...
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>>87269614
>more kids than all other houses combined

Theres like 3 now. The rest all got kil by Joffrey.
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>>87270237
Kit is a fucking terrible actor
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>>87270030
Surely this is all leading to a 'Magna Carta' style document signed by the Iron Throne
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So Euron and Balon fought over the Iron Islands for 5 years with Stannis backing Euron via money and Balon backed by Tyrion. Euron managed to kill Balon in single combat, then Euron himself was killed by Theon who took over the Iron Islands. He still has a cock, Balon never attacked the North so he never went through Ramsay.

>yfw he takes Sansa as rock wife and Myranda as salt wife
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>>87270180
no, martin can't writte for shit

-ph- is read as -f- when coupled, every time. if he wanted it to be read as "damp hair", he should have written "damp-hair"
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>>87270184
That's how the Targarean's reigned. If that was done now the king would most likely has just cause to rally the other houses and declare war. The Reach is the most likely contender for conquest though, because of their fertile land and high population
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>>87270149
D&D put all their eggs in their baskets because if they continued to focus on actors as competent at their task as the money and viewership behind Game of Thrones reasonably demands, it would impress upon their brittle psyches just how incompetent and unfit for the task they are.

>>87269578
Rainbow = RENLY RESURRECTION
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>>87270319
>Sansa as rock wife and Myranda as salt wife

Living the dream
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>>87269241

wtf
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The purpose of a regent is to serve as monarch pro tempore until the monarch is at the age of majority

Joffrey was a fucking preteen when he ascended the throne, his mother should've been making all the decisions

Instead, what was the point of her being queen regent? She was just like an advisor

Why was Bran calling the shots in Winterfell? He was like fucking FOUR YEARS OLD

What the fuck were they thinking
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>>87269793
He looks older than Balon as well.
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>/got/ has declined in quality as the show has declined.
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>>87270167
Yes I agree.
The book makes refrence to 10's of thousands in number for various armies. That is much more realistic.
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>>87270490
because if they were cool with someone being regeant till Joff came of age, Ned wouldn't be dead
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>>87270490
that would require actual research anon

don't think about it
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Does anyone have the black/asian baelish, please?
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>>87270490
LMAO just turn ur brain off bro
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>>87270314
I'd bet money it ends with Dany or Tyrion ending the fuedal/manorial system in favor or representative democracy in some from. At least in the show.
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>>87270537
On the contrary, Joff would have become King regardless, Rob just decided to make Ned the regent instead of cersei, that's the only thing she changed

But for some reason that was all for nought because Joff decided to rule anyway and blatantly preferred his Lannister family so would've removed Ned almost immediately because apparently child kings can make all the decisions regular kings can
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>>87270327
>-ph- is read as -f- when coupled, every time
I'll take "shepherd" for three hundred, Alex.
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>>87270665
don't forget the marriage between dany and jon, and the peace treaty were they offer bran to the night king and then he fucks off
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>>87270237
Little bit of both. The rushed pacing of the season hindered good opportunities for character and relationship development on everyone's part. They were able to salvage it at end, as they had some good moments there. Jonerys was supposed to be the pivotal moment of the series, as the ending of the series is entirely dependent on it. It should have been impossible to mess up, but they almost found a way.
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>>87270665
>yaaas slay dragon qween institutes representative democracy

That would be the final nail in the coffin of this entire shitshow

therefore I support it fully
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>>87270267
In the books it was Cersei, and there was a recognised, noble-mother bastard who stayed alive to boot.
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>>87270772
Yes. And the open borders treaty with Essos #weareallrefugees
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>>87270665
Why would a targ do something like that? They literally believe in divine right
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>>87270854
Are Edric, Mia and Gendry the only one's left alive in the books or are they just the only one's we see?
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>>87269578
GoT confirmed for Mass Effect clone.

It all comes together, even the WW have the same origin as the Reapers.
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>>87270180
They're just mostly non-native english speakers apparently >>87270327
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>>87269380
>not including the last dragon
pleb list
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>>87270885
You underestimate the power of Dabid & Dabid and Western propaganda
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>>87270864
>the Iron Bank institutes fiat currency
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objectively the worst pairings

>jaime/brienne
>jon/sansa
>jon/dany
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>>87270970
>the Iron Bank creates a (((Federal Reserve))) and confiscates the gold
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So Davos' son has a bastard son with Melisandre. It's fine though, I am not getting cucked. Stannis is chaste and in love with Margaery, she got the chaste trait too after I got an event of whether its a marriage of love or not. Unfortunately, Devan is married to Shireen so she got cucked, luckily after he put a Baratheon in her (sorry Davos my daughters are for matrilineal marriage only)
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>>87271001
Jaime/Brienne disgusts me. Jaime is handsome as fuck and Brienne is literally a troll. I hope Jaime overcomes the forced feminism and ends up with someone who deserves him
>inb4 colossal faggot
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>>87268790

Why didnt sneaky Littlefinger demand trial by combat before Sansa and Arya killed him?

And nominate his champion to be "a 10,000ft drop" to fight against Arya
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>>87270885
Daenerys also wavered in-and-out of might-makes-right; half her justification for conquering the Essosi cities was "fuck it, it's the law of the jungle over here", while the other half was muh slaves muh freedom.
She's basically a quasi-fascistic fuhrerin when it comes to the Unsullied and a semi-religious Mahdi when it comes to the unsullied, so when it comes to bulldozing through the Westerosi institutions, she falls back on what worked in Essos, in an 85/15% combination of might-makes-right and humanitarianist "liberation".
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If you could go back in time how would you fix the show?
S1E1
Exactly the same except Jon, Dany, Dragons and Walkers have all been cut.
Show will exclusively focus on Westeros, the War of Five Kings and it's consequences - with all the war, politics and intrigue that go with it. All magic and fantasy bullshit has been cut.
Keep Viserys because Harry Lloyd is GOAT. Making his character similar to fAegon's in the books could work.
I suppose you could keep Jon and the Night's Watch too and just focus on the Wildlings, also makes sure Stannis' story can stay the same after losing the Blackwater
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>>87268689
lol. Moon is no egg. Moon is godess, wife of sun. It is known.
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>>87271240
I've always thought Jaime/Sansa would be a thing.
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>>87271343
Why though
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Queen
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>>87270665
>transitioning from a feudal state to a democracy

please no

just please no
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>>87270906
Edric currently fucks every Valyrshit cunt in Lys and looks exactly like Bobby B
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>>87271279
because he was murdered you illiterate retard

no one lifted a finger to help save him, not even the Vale soldiers who were honor-bound to defend him
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>>87271418
No particular reason. They didn't really talk at any point in any season, but they're similarly attractive characters of different houses; even if Jaime is turncoat now.
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>>87271303
>If you could go back in time how would you fix the show?
Throw D&D off the Eyrie.
In terms of changes to the actual *content*, I think it's problematic at least to talk about changes to make, given how the books haven't given an indication how a lot of the plots D&D have "made their own" will finish.

Other than having literal engines of stupidity behind the show, the biggest mistakes that aren't something they got to do just because there's no smarter people left vetoing them have to do with "condensing" plotlines and leaving out smaller characters. Even when the characters aren't required for front-and-centre plotlines, like Stannis, or more modestly, Jeyne Poole, it weakens the "crunchiness" of the setting, and ends up reducing it to the anime-tier everyone-knows-everyone, "Cersei will be back next episode" shitshow.
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>>87271343
Why would Jaime be interested in Sansa? He's literally obsessed with his sister. People want him to be over Cersei so they can force his tumblr redemption arc but we all know he's right there in ADWD thinking about how mad he is that Cersei cheated on him and how different her nipples are to some other woman.

Like... Sansa hates Cersei, so you think Sansa would be into Cersei's twin/other half/imagined husband? OK, dude
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>>87270665
>Samwell Tarly gets elected king on a platform of universal healthcare and raising taxes on the iron bank
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>>87271567
>throw D&D off the Eyrie
>not making them drink wildfire
>not making them into pies
>not letting Clegane butt rape them
Nigga pls
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Why do D&D keep shitting on Ned? He died 6 seasons ago and still every couple of episodes we have to endure somebody saying 'hurr durr Ned was dumb so he died' even though in the books it's exactly the opposite?
What do D&D have against him?
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>>87271577

>>87271527
No reason except that they're similarly attractive. Keep getting triggered cuck.
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Reminder that the Southron Poverty Law Centre declared House Stark a hate group.
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>>87271653
Top jej
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>>87270906
Bella I believe is still alive
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>>87271642
Ned had clear motivations and external conflicts

There is no room for this kind of character anymore
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>>87271642
White males are problematic
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>>87271639
Does someone have the copypasta about DABID getting a call from Dan Weiss where he grunts unintelligibly into the phone about "what if Sansa get rape"?
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>>87271240
What I don't get is why people are convinced Jaime loves Brienne. I don't see the redemption arc people talk about at all
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GODS I WAS STRONG
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>>87271303
Get David Lynch to direct it
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>>87268689
>Extinct
>Stannis
>dead
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Glad you could make it, Ned
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>>87271643
/got/ is a twincest board you sansa loving tumblr faggot
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>>87271303
>>87271303
Everything wrong with the show I honestly believe could be fixed in editing, just cut irrelevant shit out here and delete all the magic and action
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>>87268806
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>>87271781
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>Euron still hasn't had a sex scene

ummm, sweetie? Do you think we're watching this shit for the plot?
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>>87271856
YOU JUST KNOW
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>>87268790
>I choose Aerys Targaryen as my champion
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>>87269380
Fuck me is he hot. Damn.
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>>87271001
Books or show?
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>>87268689
>extinct

Out of the way, doubter fucking shits
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>>87271884
>tfw no flashback of drunk Euron fucking his brothers
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>>87271965
Is he going to row his house back into relevance?
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>>87271781
Watch your tone with me, woman. You may be the queen, but I'm still your superior as King's Hand.
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>>87271884
don't worry, we'll get a euron/cersei sex scene next season
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>>87271981
We do not row
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>>87271856
OTP
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>>87269281

Who would win between the Houses of Mount & Blade Warband and GoT.

Pro-tip: Rhodoks would wipe the floor with the Lannisters
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>watching S2
>this Robb/peasant girl romance

Jesus Christ just fucking end it
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>>87269614
It's still a very small house
>Robert is surrounded by his wife's house
>Stannis is mostly backed by his wife's house
>Renly is mostly backed by his boipussy's house
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>>87271965
*bombastic orchestral music begins*
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>>87269793
Drinking salt water will do that to you
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>>87271279
King Tommen outlawed trial by combat
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>>87271856
But that isn't honorabru
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>>87272076
>I'm 31 years old!
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>>87271001
>made Dany into a waifu-material
>"objective"

the rest is probably on point
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>>87272016
This is how long Cersei's hair should have been this season
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>>87272052
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX51T-EipOo

someone put the ice king next to him. he can be ornstein
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>>87270237
They're shit actors and the scripts terrible now. Remind me again why I'm watching this show?
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>>87272148
>not Oberyn
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why does every show become horseshit after season 1 ?
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>>87272080
>hey that king we don't acknowledge or follow said we can't do a thing
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>>87270531
At least we have bobbyposting
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>>87272144
i hope bryan cogman gets hit by a bus
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>>87272188
oberyn didn't slay dragons man
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>>87272235
Oh fuck I'm retarded
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>>87271722
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>>87271642
In the books I do remember there being mention about how he got beaten by Cersei *because* of how honour-bound and legalistically-minded he was, but it would have been back when he was more relevant to the plot. The TV show is probably just mentioning him to remind normie plebs who the fuck Arya and Salsa are, and to stir nostalgic memories of good writing and Sean Bean in long-suffering fans.

However, one interesting thing I've heard about the books is that a trend in the post Red-Wedding books wasn't for just more "mean grrrls" edgelord will-to-power nihilism like D&D are doing with every female character, but for showing more of a "slow and steady wins the race", by showing how Cersei is getting seriously BTFO by the faith and (much harder than in the TV show, where none of this happens), rejected and scorned by the secular power in the Tommen realm - Lannisters, Tyrells, and (key plot point) the Iron Bank all oppose her.
Meanwhile, in the north and riverlands, the Freys are getting rapidly culled by the Brotherhood without Banners, Lady Stoneheart, and pro-Stark-Tully resistance, while the Boltons are in a very shaky position because Stannis' honour & track record for honesty/bluntness/thoroughness have won over for him the Wildlings, a good chunk of the Northern houses, & the Iron Bank, while the Boltons are, per the most prevalent fan theory - & as rumour has it, per the plot D&D would have followed had they not fucked up the filming of BoB - looking set to be backstabbed by the northern houses that haven't yet declared for Stannis & Rickon Stark.
And as further example of this alleged tendency towards GRRM showing realistic consequences of what happens when rulers turn into fantasy trope politicians, the idealistic Jon Snow & Daenerys are more or less at a low point after being screwed over as a result of their "maverick" policies.

But who cares because we got that great scene where Littlefinger cries like a bitch while Salsa and Arya mug at him.
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Daily reminder that there are literally no good swordsman left in the world.
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>>87272190
Things are better when you ignore your audience's assessment

Once the first season is done everyone gets feedback, and the studios particularly do hard-core data analytics into how people respond to different characters, and so they start to focus on certain characters/elements/themes because that's what they think people want. This is to the detriment of story telling
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>>87269907
you do realise hes the secret love child of ned stark and elia martell right? hes the counter to jon its obvious.
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>>87272387
Jon Snow is officially the greatest swordsmen who ever lived.
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>>87272387
That's because spears are the best CQC weapons in the world.
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baby man :DDDD
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>>87272387
>I'm glad we never met on the field
Was Ned hiding in a bush at the Trident?
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>>87270149

But their acting is way better when they are together. I don't know why anybody could hate the Jonerys plotline, since it have both of them something interesting to do.
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>>87272413
>tfw Bran simply crossed the signals and was misremembering the memory where Ashara Dayne asks him to protect Jon Snow's half-brother half-cousin "Jon Sand" aka Arthur Dayne.
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>>87269747
>>87270030
>>87270314
>>87270665
Well, the Seven Kingdoms were only held together through dragons. Once those died, it was civil war after civil war. At the end of it, something like the Seven Kingdoms cannot realistically and feasibly survive as a singular entity. It's just too big.

MAYBE you can keep all the Southern kingdoms united and centralize them with a singular government and power structure. Like the Stormlands, Westerlands, Reach, Dorne, Vale and Riverlands. Though even in that case you should ditch one or two of those for better centralization. This united kingdom of 2-3 southern kingdoms would dominate Westeros alongside an independent North anyway, and it wouldn't face constant internal instability.
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>>87271642
they're trying to tie him to the gutter trash abortion of characters that are sansa and arya to forcefully remind us that we're supposed to like them
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>>87272510
It was a large battle, not every person is going to come across every other person.
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>>87272381
Well yeah that was kinda my point. In the books we see Ned and Robb die, and the Lannisters take power - and we believe the 'honor is dumb' meme.
But then in the later books it shows that after all their scheming and lying the Lannisters are still fighting to hold onto their power and have more enemies than ever.
On the other hand, Ned's old bannermen are flocking to Stannis to restore the Starks to Winterfell because they genuinely liked him, despite getting nothing out of it in return.
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>>87272520
>their acting is better when they are together

are you blind. she just stared at him with that trademark blank stare, and john looks either at her with indiference, or at the distance

his scenes with ygritte were far better. they actually had chemistry
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>>87271240
If Jaime/Brienne and Cersei/Euron were both to happen at the same time it would be Jaime who was clearly downgrading, not Cersei. Jaime would be getting the shittiest deal

>>87272487
Also why is Euron so handsome
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Lads, how would you redeem this show

Like how would you turn it around after everything that's happened

I would honestly love to see the white walkers getting deus ex machina'd away by Bran on some magic trip on the first episode just to BTFO the fanboys
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>>87272134
lol
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>>87269380
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>>87272660
full fledged invasion by a napolionic era army
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>>87272195
>Nameless King
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>>87272568
It's like the final few episodes of Sharpe where that bitch wife (Daenerys) gets her claws into him (the show) and all his friends (the good characters) die, except the Irish guy.
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>>87272660
there's nothing to redeem theres 6 episodes left

buckle up for 6 reps of 5 minute shitting montages and greyworm missandei sex scenes
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>>87272660
Pic related as JonCon and bring back Harry Lloyd to play Aegon number 1 (Referred to in the show as Aegon Prime). The GC joins Cersei until the Walkers are dead then take over for themselves.
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>>87272710
>the kingindanorf will never use your face as his throne while he protec the north and passes righteous judgement
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>>87272710
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>>87272773
>buggery
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>>87272610
That was only true for the first couple of episodes.
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cast him
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>>87268689
Is Ser Twenty of house Goodmen going to make an appearance in season 8? or are they going to make him some sort of mythical legendary hero that was never seen again.
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>>87272847

one of LF's twink fuccbois
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>>87272847
Looks too much like Thoros of Myr or the other guy.
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Why did they waste the best actor in the show on one of the worst characters?
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>>87272847
Jon CONNIGTON
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>>87272538
See HRE
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>>87272610

Oh bullshit. Fuck Ygritte and fuck people who romantacize that whore. The only thing she had going for her was that she was Jon's first love, and that was almost out of necessity. Jonerys is way better.
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>>87272660
Night King kills everyone and takes the throne
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>>87272810
>I kidnap people off the street, throw them in a dungeon, and starve and torture them all for victimless crimes but it's okay cuz I'm poor haha
Cersei turning him and all of his fellow cultists into a smoldering pile of ash was so satisfying
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>>87272195
Anon, when he said decline of quality he meant bobbyposting and Harrenhalshitters, at least the faceapp anon gave us that funny Night King reaction picture, but bobbyposters are a detriment to the "quality" of this general
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>>87272983
>better actress
>better looking
>better character
>better writing
>better chemistry
How can Jonerys even compete?
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>>87271279
Because the script demanded that he pay the iron price

also they needed to get rid of him because they had no idea what to do with his character
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Is the official story in-universe that Ned Stark beat Arthur Dayne in a duel? Because it doesn't seem like anyone would ever believe that.
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>>87270570
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>>87273089
I think the tower of joy is just treated with a dont ask dont tell policy
Six dudes fought three and only two came back
Thats all
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>>87272052
>*bombastic orchestral music begins*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-vSgHZEjo
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CAST
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>>87272983
:)
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>>87273132
DISHONRABU
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>>87273073

The first one is true. Everything else is false.
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>>87272870
Twenty Goodmen will be ordered on sum finna suicide squad mission by Jon Aegon Snow Sand Targaryen, just as a HIGH-LARIOUS reference by D&D to reddit.

>>87272885
He's not a terrible character per se, because he wasn't given the friendzone pussywhipped curse out of nowhere just to ruin his character like LF was. That said, they don't know what to do with him and the way the show has diverged from the books there's no point for him now except to die exactly like Severus fucking Snape did in the Harry Potter books - he'll be a stupid idiot and get turned into a hero because the one time he wasn't was because of how hard he was in the friendzone, and he did it because he thought it might get him out of it. Watch him be the one Dany stabs through the heart to make the Azor Ahai sword, whatever it's called. Some great reverse phallic feminist imagery that'll be!

I'm surprised as well no tumblrites have put the spin on Littlefinger's death as what would happen to Snape in "le dark and edgy XD" Game of Thrones. Probably because CIA wasn't originally written as a tall-dark-and-handsome tsundere wankfic.
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>>87273147
Six fought two ;)
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>>87271939
Champions can refuse to fight pham.
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>>87273073
>How can Jonerys even compete?

By being the one that the fandom likes and is talking about?
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Remember when Stannis Baratheon began to kind of seem like a good guy only for it to be flipped in a single episode?

I still don't get what the point of his arc in the show was.
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>>87268792
Crazy Steve?
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>>87273071
>at least the faceapp anon gave us that funny Night King reaction picture
Is he smiling or something?
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>>87273230
Got Melly to the Wall
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>>87273167
Hermione Granger of House Mudblood
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>>87272568
Sansa wasn't there when he said that though
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>>87268870
Was Gregor with Jaime when he lost against Robb?
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>>87273230
so was he a villain when he attacked mance raider's army or not? the music makes him seem like the bad guy and then he burns the dude to death.
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>>87273300
He was in Tywin's army at the other battle.
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>>87272610
>>87273073
tbf they only had chemistry because they were in love irl and were having an on-set affair. Kit still can't act.
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anyone have the high sparrow before/after pic?
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>>87273267
But all she did there that was relevant to the Jon plot (half of which was Stannis' plot) is revive him, and then get sent away. She was there in the books as part of Stannis' plot. Carrying on Stannis' plot as a dead-end stump just to keep this one element doesn't sound realistic, it sounds like a lot of stupidly pointless expense and wasted screen time.

>>87271939
I CHOOSE A DISTANCE OF FIVE HUNDRED MILES BETWEEN MYSELF AND YOUR CHAMPION AS MY CHAMPION
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>>87273089
He never talks about it basically. The one time he did he said "He'd have killed me, if not for Howland Reed."
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>>87272052
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>>87273167
Unironically would have been a better Danaerys than Emilia Clarke, but she would have never gotten her tits out. Same problem with Jeyne Westerling.
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>>87273230
>I told them to go to Hell. Because you did not belong across the world with the bloody stonemen, you belong here burning on my pyre!
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>>87272983
Dany is a boring cunt and she MAKES jon boring as well
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>>87268870
He's a big guy.
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>>87273424
>I CHOOSE A DISTANCE OF FIVE HUNDRED MILES BETWEEN MYSELF AND YOUR CHAMPION AS MY CHAMPION
This is basically what Tyrion did, right? Select Jaime, and

>best-case scenario, you buy a few days, Tywin negotiates your release
>worst-case scenario, Jaime has to actually show up and kills whatever scrub the Vale chose
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>>87273455
>covenant blank
>not Warriors of Sunlight
ONE JOB
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>>87273223
Game of Thrones fans also like Game of Thrones, why would I trust them?
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>>87273477

The ginger bitch is dead. Get over it and embrace Jonerys.
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I choose the sun as my champion
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>>87273528
Gendry's not a member though
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>>87273526
>This is basically what Tyrion did, right?
Yep.
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What was the point of Tywin sending the Mountain to destroy the Riverlands? he basically started a war against the crown.
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>people actually cheered when Stannis's evil army of money-hungry mercenaries rode down and murdered thousands of FREE Folk men, women, and children when they just wanted peace

Extremely toxic for a faction.
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>>87271279
right after he said that, he ran away and asked the knights of the vale to escort him back to safety, which they denied after learning that he killed the lady regent of the vale to attain power on the vale, LF knew that no vale knight would give up his life trying to defend him, he also knew that no one on the room would help him after he conspired with Cersei to murder Eddard & Brandon Stark, no northern lord would ever allow LF to get away with it and run to the wall, where he could easily escape later, by the way, the wall was taken down last episode and now serves no purpose at all.
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>>87273477
Gingers=orangatuns
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HanrALcbHTY
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>>87273624
I'd non ironically fuck that.
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>>87273567
He was utilizing a tactic called chevauchée to throw the Tullys and Starks off balance and give himself time to recover and reorganize his army.

His daughter ran the crown so he knew he could get out of any trouble he got into. By that point Robert was dead.
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>>87273567
He wanted Ned Stark to declare him outlaw. Can't remember exactly why, I think it was either to get Stark's men out of the capital, or to get Riverrun to take its soldiers away from its frontier defences in order to chase after a small "commando" unit. And possibly to put pressure on waverers to join the Lannister side rather than the Stark-Stannis side.
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>>87273624
>>87273556
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>>87273682
He knew that Stark preferred to carry out his executions personally. He was going to amush Stark and his Entourage and end the war before it began. But since Jaime got Stark too injured to travel it all fell apart.
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>>87269132
Who gives a shit, Edric Storm is still a bastard and not a Baratheon, hence the name 'Storm'.
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>>87273663
>give himself time to recover and reorganize his army

What recovering and reorganizing? nobody had a problem with him before, there was no war before he started it. And Ned was still the Hand and in charge.

Seems like a seriously dumb move. Particularly for a son that he would later try to execute.
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>>87273684
not sure why but she still looks kinda hot there

there are pictures of her waaaay worse
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>>87273589
Best scene of the entire season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84clpJxe2wY
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>>87273659
>you will never comfort a crying monkey-rose after people stare at her and call her ugly
jdimsa
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>>87273230
To invade the north, and set the stage for the third act. Tho the show kind of rushes this and Jon takes up some of the end of his arc. Probably because a season of your star narrating wolf dreams is bad television. Or because a couple of big battles are expensive.
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>>87273567
>>87273801
It was revenge for the Starks/Tullys taking Tyrion prisoner, remember? Catelyn Stark (originally Tully) took Tyrion prisoner with the help of Stark and Tully soldiers. Attacking the Riverlands was Tywin's response.
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>>87273817
It's my favorite part of the show and the books
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>>87273589
the Wildlings are at camp, showering Jon with gifts and the songs of their people
Jon smiles, enjoying this valuable cultural experience
a cry is heard in the distance
suddenly, the camera pans to the thundering stampede of a thousand men on horses
we see Stannis driving the men to fight by cracking a flaming whip
"FORM RANKS, YOU DOGS"
in the distance, Wildling women and children are burning, the soundtrack a high screaming wail
"TAKE THE WOMEN FOR OUR THRALLS," Stannis shouts, "FEED THE BABES TO THE FIRES"
"Yes," cries Davos, "R'hllor hungers!"
Jon looks on, his face grief-stricken
"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!"
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>>87273801
>there was no war before he started it
Catelyn abducted Tyrion.
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>>87273682
He was trying to trigger Ned to appeal to his sense of duty and personally try to go out and investigate the raiders in the riverlands, with intent to take Ned hostage and use him to barter with Cat and Lysa into getting Tyrion back.

But Jaime shit the bed by having that street fight that left Ned too injured to travel, so Ned sent Beric Dondarrion in his stead.

>>87273801
>What recovering and reorganizing?
Jaime's host had just been smashed and Tywin's had suffered losses from the battle of the Green Fork and the forced march back to the Inn at the Crossing.

It was there that he ordered Gregor, Amory and Vargo to unleash the chevauchée.
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>>87273900
>"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!"
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>>87273874
Seems like a seriously idiotic revenge, and Tywin never struck me as an instant revenge type of guy. And remember, he later tried killing Tyrion himself. And Catelyn didn't represent the Riverlands.

And he literally burned Westeros' bread-basket right before winter, while also making the Lannisters hated by everyone.
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>>87273328
The music makes Stannis seem like a bad guy no matter what he does. It's really annoying. I think if you switched the themes for Dany and Stannis, people would like Stannis a hell of a lot more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cDLnkYs30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9e_INLnJts

It feels like a very cheap way to manipulate the audience, using this triumphant theme for Dany and this ultra dark theme for Stannis. One of them wants to burn, rape, and pillage Westeros, and the other is Stannis.
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>>87273467
When Stannis takes the Throne all of Westeros will hear a loud clang. That sound is Stannis' Iron Balls hitting the Throne
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>>87273900
did you post this exact same .gif in a witcher thread a few days ago?
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>>87273916
That's not war.

>>87273950
>Jaime's host had just been smashed and Tywin's had suffered losses from the battle of the Green Fork

Huh?

I'm talking about before the war even started, when Eddard was still hand and Gregor was seen rampaging through the Riverlands.
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>>87273900
>"Seven save us," Jon whispers, "he's even making the women and children pay the Iron price!"
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>>87274011
>That's not war.
It's how you start one though.

>
I'm talking about before the war even started, when Eddard was still hand and Gregor was seen rampaging through the Riverlands.
That was just a few calculated raids to draw Eddard out, not a full blown scorched earth campaign like you later see when he unleashes his three dogs. He even had Gregor deliberately leave survivors that would identify him.
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>>87273567
>>87273957
Googled it and apparently Tywin wanted to have political cover in case Robert survived and wanted to know what the fuck had happened. If Riverrun reprised or went to war, Tywin could play the victim?

Doesn't sound convincing to me. Anyway, fuck him, he's dead.
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>>87273957
>Seems like a seriously idiotic revenge
Not really, it's fairly proportionate. Robb declared war when Ned was taken prisoner.

>and Tywin never struck me as an instant revenge type of guy.
Have you ever listened to the lyrics of "Rains of Castamere"? That's about a house in the Westerlands that rebelled against Tywin. He immediately marched to their castle and killed literally everyone inside and anyone related to them.

>And remember, he later tried killing Tyrion himself.
Doesn't matter, Tyrion represents House Lannister.

>And Catelyn didn't represent the Riverlands.
Catelyn is a Tully, and she ordered Tullys to help her capture Tyrion.

>And he literally burned Westeros' bread-basket right before winter
Westeros' bread-basket is the Reach.
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>8 seasons to take down Cersei
>Army of the Dead will be vanquished in 1

Bravo
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>>87273995
nope, i haven't gotten around to playing TW3 yet
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>>87274044
No, sending men to pillage and burn is starting a war. Not abducting a guy.
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>>87273957
>And remember, he later tried killing Tyrion himself.
It's poltiically different to conveniently allow Tyrion to die in battle than for him to be openly abducted by a member of another major house.

Catelyn damn well does represent the Riverlands and the North.
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>>87274087
>GAME OF CERSEI: BASED ON THE "A SONG OF CERSEI AND CERSEI" SERIES, BY CERSEI CC LANNISTER
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>>87274103
>Catelyn damn well does represent the Riverlands

No she doesn't, just like Talisa doesn't represent Volantis.
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>>87273971
This is probably true but I really like Stannis' theme and wouldn't want to change it.

>>87274088
Don't worry, it's overrated.

>>87274100
So in your mind when someone kidnaps the member of one of the richest families in a feudal nation, it's just a prank?
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>>87273971
Eh Stannis theme is GOAT in my opinion.

Weird thing is, they initially may have intended it for all Baratheons save for Bobby B and his "kids". Watch some of the Renly scenes, after he says he'll take King's Landing, the Stannis theme plays for Renly.

In some official orchestra events, they even outright used the Warrior of Light for ALL of House Baratheon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZzXRXE6FnQ

Weird.
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>>87274011
>I'm talking about before the war even started, when Eddard was still hand and Gregor was seen rampaging through the Riverlands.

That wasn't the same thing, and I explained it. That was a series of small raids in the guise of suspicious brigands to get Ned to leave the capital and be in a position to be captured as a hostage to get Tyrion back.

Tywin didn't send Gregor (and his other captains) to "destroy the Riverlands" until after the battles at the Green Fork and Riverrun.
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>>87273900
>>87273589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNFloNdJH4

>>87273957
>and Tywin never struck me as an instant revenge type of guy
lmao are you serious? Tywin literally exterminated two entire houses: men, women, children, babies, servants, literally anyone connected to them died, all because they defied his father once.
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>>87274159
>Talisa
Can we just forget that that diversion from the books never happened and Robb just knocked up the chick who threw herself at him?
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>>87274050
>If Riverrun reprised or went to war, Tywin could play the victim?
Cersei had a ton of influence over Robert.

>>87274159
Volantis is a narrow Republic/broad oligarchy. Westeros is feudal and Catelyn is the current authority in Winterfell with Ned south. She represents the Stark Tully alliance in a formal capacity and uses said authority to capture Tyrion in the first place.
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>>87274100
>Not abducting a guy.
Abducting a guy is a massive deal in a feudal setting where power can only transfer through family lines. Why do you think everyone made such a big deal out of the Lannisters having Sansa?
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>>87274199

Tywin did nothing wrong and literally made the Lannisters Great Again
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>>87274175
>cheering while the music is in mid-swing
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>>87274230
Ugly ol' Kit
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>>87274230
I still think Jeyne Westerling raped him.

>badly injured, physically incapable of resisting
>drugged out of his mind, mentally incapable of resisting

All I'm saying is that if Sansa had a broken leg and was high on pain meds and Littlefinger fucked her, then she decided to marry him, D&D would be getting a lot of angry letters.
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>>87274167
>it's just a prank?

No, but it's not a reason to start a war and get yourself in more trouble.

>>87274199
Destroying the Reynes wasn't about revenge, it was just about crushing a rebellion.

>>87274270
>Volantis is a narrow Republic/broad oligarchy.

I used that as an example you idiot. Like, say, Olenna doesn't represent the Redwynes.
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>>87274308
Made everyone fucking terrified of him, nice in the short run but you need something more in the long run. Tywin desperately needed Jaime to not be obsessed with Cersei or Tyrion to not be a dwarf.
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>>87273589
>>87273817
>>87273889
>>87273900
anyone have any webms of Stannis's army charging?
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>>87274345
I wouldn't call it rape but it's pretty skeevy. But she's young and her mother put her up to it
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>>87274199
They also had a very good reason to mock his father, he had to marry his daughter to a fracking Frey out of all noble families (and without even needing anything from them really)
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>>87274276
Look, it's just a fucking dumb decision.

Tywin could have tried fucking talking to the Starks and figuring out what their problem was, instead he just declared war, which nearly destroyed his house.
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>>87274379
>No, but it's not a reason to start a war and get yourself in more trouble.
Ah so Tywin should have politely asked to please return his midget. A regular Machiavelli you are.

>I used that as an example you idiot. Like, say, Olenna doesn't represent the Redwynes.
Yes you idiot and I'm pointing out how it's a bad example. Family IS government in a feudal society.
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>>87274510
Asking politely isn't what Tywin does. Him and his family had been insulted and he needed to show force to stop it happening again.
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Unbowed, unbent, unbroken is the coolest house words

Prove me wrong
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>>87274510
>Ah so Tywin should have politely asked to please return his midget.

Yes? it's called diplomacy and doing things the smart way instead of HURR TYRION KIDNAPPED LETS KILL RANDOM PEOPLE IN THE RIVERLANDS.
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>>87274479
"Look it's just a dumb decision for Robb to declare war on the Lannisters when Ned was taken prisoner, he should have talked to them and figured out what their problem is."
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>>87274479
>Tywin could have tried fucking talking to the Starks and figuring out what their problem was, instead he just declared war, which nearly destroyed his house.
Tywin won the war and destroyed the starks. his house was nearly destroyed AFTER the war.
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Tywin is a fucking retarded brute that could only understand force and gold.
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>>87274308
>hmm maybe I could make sure my son grows up knowing what it means to be a good ruler and not just a self-centred romantic who signs up for the kingsguard
>hmm maybe I could make sure my daughter grows up to be loyal to her husband and above all loyal to her house instead of a narcissistic psychopath who sexually manipulates her twin brother through incest while married to the king of Westeros
>hmm maybe I could stop blaming my son for the fact that his mother died during childbirth in grimdark medieval fantasy land and respect the talents and abilities he has in spite of his disability instead of telling him how much I hate him, gang-raping his wife, encouraging everyone to mock him, and using him as cannon fodder in battles to defend the legitimacy of my incest-born bastard grandson in a war I caused
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>>87274584
>Tywin won the war and destroyed the starks.

Yeah, but he didn't know it at the time, and his house got massive casualties during the war (several Lannisters dead, Jaime captured and close to dead which would ruin Tywin's legacy etc).
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>>87274556
t. Tywins incompetent dad whose name i forgot.

btw can I get your name and address I could use a few extra bucks and you seem like the type that would negotiate instead of going to the cops
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>>87274594
>Tywin is a fucking retarded

Stopped reading there, Tywin was probably the smartest character in the show
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>>87274594
he literally ruled for 20 peaceful years as Hand and aerys got buttblasted because people knew
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>>87274594
He's Roose Bolton except less cunning and with less of a (family reputation for) torture fetish.

>>87274547
"Noh"
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>>87274655
You must be retarded too, then.
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>>87274601

>hmm maybe I could make sure my son grows up knowing what it means to be a good ruler and not just a self-centred romantic who signs up for the kingsguard

Aerys II forced Jaime into the KG to spite Tywin
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>>87274636
Jaime would probably end up abducted or killed anyway once people realized you could just pick up any random Lannisters you encountered on the road with no problem. They're rich as fuck and there's enough Lannisters for everyone to get a ransom.
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>>87274556
>HURR TYRION KIDNAPPED LETS KILL RANDOM PEOPLE IN THE RIVERLANDS.
It's a proportionate response. The freedom and safety of a lord is worth literally thousands of "smallfolk". Tywin killed a few dozen.

>>87274601
>hmm maybe I could make sure my son grows up knowing what it means to be a good ruler and not just a self-centred romantic who signs up for the kingsguard
He never had the chance, Jaime joined the kingsguard when he was 15.

>hmm maybe I could stop blaming my son for the fact that his mother died during childbirth in grimdark medieval fantasy land and respect the talents and abilities he has in spite of his disability
In a medieval setting, the fact that Tywin didn't have Tyrion killed as an infant is actually a huge act of mercy. How many nobles do you see in Westeros with birth defects? Why do you think that is?
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Look at me. Blink. Breathe. Read me with your full concentration. Now: Game of thrones is the epitome of tv. It has it's ups and downs but so does a rollercoaster. You still feel the adrenaline, the rush, the excitement, and relief that it has ended, it's a ride, a joy, a life experience my friend. No other show can give this gift of emotions. Name one show. Just one. Go on. Pause and think. Oh.... you can't? I know. Because it's impossible my friend.
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>>87274742
That was fast
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>>87274601
No one's saying he was a good father. He was a good ruler but a terrible father. Almost like there's some fatal flaw of feudal monarchy being put on display here.
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>>87274345
He remembered enough of it to take it upon himself to marry her rather than say "the kid is not my son".

>>87274736
>>87274706
Jamie had to accept and say the vows though.
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>>87274547
"Ours is the Fury" and "Winter is Coming" are literally both better.
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>>87274594
Tywin peacefully ruled Westeros for decades while the Mad King grew his hair out and muttered about wildfire.

>>87274707
This, it sets a bad precedent.
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>>87274736
>It's a proportionate response.

Sure dummy.

Why don't you go shoot random people in the street when your son is kidnapped?
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>>87274761
Jaime was 16. Also he was going to turn it down until Cersei told him it meant they could be together. But then it caused Tywin and Aerys to quarrel and split for a final time and he took Cersei with him back to Casterly Rock instead. Good job, Cersei.
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>>87274742
nice try friend, but nobody here likes GoT
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>>87274781
Winter is Coming is one of the shittiest one, only Growing Strong is worse
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>>87274706
>Aerys II forced Jaime into the KG to spite Tywin

>“Why did you take the oath?” she demanded.
“Why don the white cloak if you meant to betray all it stood for?”
>Why? What could he say that she might possibly understand? “I was a boy. Fifteen. It was a great honor for one so young.”
>“That is no answer,” she said scornfully.
>You would not like the truth. He had joined the Kingsguard for love, of course.
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>>87274742
Rome was 10,000 times the show AGOT is.
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>>87274832
nah man, nah
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>>87274788
>comparing medieval feudal Westeros to the 21st century modern society

do you breathe with your mouth
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>>87274788
>Why don't you go shoot random people in the street when your son is kidnapped?
Do you not understand the concept of "the smallfolk are worth nothing"? They're literally a lower class of people. You need to think about this in terms of feudalism. And it's not just a son being kidnapped, it's one of the three potential heirs to House Lannister. Abducting a high lord is a massive deal in a society where power is transferred by blood.
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>>87274955
>>87274955
>>87274955
>>87274955
>>87274955
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>>87274901
>"the smallfolk are worth nothing"

Killing smallfolk made Tywin an enemy of the Iron Throne.

>>87274887
The comparison stands.
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>>87274788
If someone kidnaps the son of a world leader do you think they'll sit down and talk politely as anything but a stalling measure to finding the abductors and killing them all?
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>>87274832
Winter is coming was cool when the Starks were the Kings of Winter (before hunting the Nord)
Also it reminds people of the armies of Winter (made up of people that would usually let themselves die during winter to make their families have one mouth less to feed anyway so nothing to lose either)
Nowadays it's just become weaker
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>>87274753
>He was a good ruler but a terrible father.
As the other anon pointed out, >>87274510 >Family IS government in a feudal society.
It's in line with certain IRL and asoiaf religious/narrative themes as well as political realities; that the "Father" (God the Father) is the model for kings is a reality in the setting, so it's bitterly ironic that Tywin could be so good at war, intrigue, and economics and fail utterly because of how bad he was in the fundamental task of fatherhood.

He literally
>lost his heir and tarnished the family name because of the first son
>caused a war and ruined the kingdom because of his daughter
>threw away any hope he had of ameliorating the aforementioned problems by hating his third son
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>>87274547
>>87274781
House Words Rankings:

1. Fire and blood
2. Ours is the Fury
3. Unbowed unbent unbroken
4. Winter is coming
5. As high as honor
6. Hear me roar
7. Hurr durr our crest is a big fish and we do what the Starks tell us to do even though it has literally no potential benefit for us
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>>87274975
No, I think they would go for negotiation with the kidnappers, like any smart man would.
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>>87268790
Its a Trial by **Combat**. Burning someone alive is not combat.
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>>87274547
We do not sow
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>>87274964
>Killing smallfolk made Tywin an enemy of the Iron Throne.
No, it made him an enemy of Ned Stark. The Lannisters own the City Watch. Lannister soldiers are garrisoned in King's Landing. Lannisters control the Kingsguard (except Selmy). The Lannisters are the Iron Throne by this point, Bobby B is a formality.

>The comparison stands.
No it doesn't.
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>>87275010
Fire and blood is shit and garbage.
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>>87275072
>it made him an enemy of Ned Stark

Which represented the Crown. Tywin could not know that Robert will die, and Robert valued Ned's opinion much more than Cersei's. He would've also been delighted to destroy the Lannisters because it would mean no debts.
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>>87275010
kek
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>>87275010
>As high as honor
Terrible.
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>>87270085
Benjen Stark
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>>87275010
May I ad that I like Royce's "We remember" too?
If it wasn't for the fact that no one knows what they're supposed to remember, of course
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>>87275315
Uccle Bejjun
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>>87273071
>bobbyposting is decline in quality
MADNESS HAS OVERTAKEN /GOT/
AND GRASPED IN ITS CLAWS BOBBY B
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>>87273132
Harrenhalu is offu de tablu aswellu
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>>87273230
It was to get Melisandre to Jon.
Then there was trouble with the actor, who grew less happy with the show and wanted to move on, so they just wrote him out. Its a shame and lazily handled, but thats the problem with making a show.
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>>87273261
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I choose time as my champion.
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>>87274547
Winter is coming
The rest, especially House Martell's words, are just people shouting meaningless shit about how "cool" they are.
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>>87272350
I fucking love this website
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