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>>87274955
I hate that fat fuck

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aaggghhh...

Why doesn't Tywin negotiate with terrorists? Is he really a privileged person blind to his own privilege? The North just needs understanding and more money for education and outreach.

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>>87274955
Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Euron Greyjoy? Let alone defeat him. And I’m not talking about Captain of the Silence Euron Greyjoy. I’m not talking about Lord Reaper Euron either. I'm talking about King of the Islands and the North Euron Greyjoy, with the driftwood crown and the Dragonbinder, commanding the Iron Fleet, equipped with Valyrian steel armor and harnessing the power of captured warlocks from the House of the Undying.

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>And through the smoke another wedge of armored riders came, on barded horses. Floating above them were the largest banners yet, royal standards as big as sheets; a yellow one with long pointed tongues that showed a flaming heart, and another like a sheet of beaten gold, with a black stag prancing and rippling in the wind.

>Robert, Jon thought for one mad moment, remembering poor Owen, but when the trumpets blew again and the knights charged, the name they cried was “Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!”

Why couldn't they do this moment, one of the best in the books, right?

Like they can sell the character short and fuck up the rest of his arc, but this battle was one of the best in the series.

Why couldn't we get it anywhere near as written? Or with the cheering in the end?

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>>87274955
Kneel before the last dragon, rightful ruler of the seven kingdoms.

>>87274955
Look at me. Blink. Breathe. Read me with your full concentration. Now: Game of thrones is the epitome of tv. It has it's ups and downs but so does a rollercoaster. You still feel the adrenaline, the rush, the excitement, and relief that it has ended, it's a ride, a joy, a life experience my friend. No other show can give this gift of emotions. Name one show. Just one. Go on. Pause and think. Oh.... you can't? I know. Because it's impossible my friend.

Sam's father knew where he was going but he did nothing to retrieve his family heirloom?

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Hurr durr our crest is a big fish and we do what the Starks tell us to do even though it has literally no potential benefit for us

>>87275029
Learn to make proper jokes you unfunny shit.

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>>87275039
>Is there a character that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Euron Greyjoy? Let alone defeat him.
Yes, there is.

I know, I know, oh oh oh

>>87275068
because after that Cersei killed his liege lord and Highgarden declared war against the Iron Throne

>>87275039
You cunts hyped him up so much. What a fucking let down the show is.

>>87275060
what could have been... he was literally one of us

>>87274988
Why do you keep posting Emma Watson? Her status as a childhood nostalgia symbol and >muh feminism mean that she'd never act in GoT. All major female characters must get their tits unless they are canonically underage or are flat-out ugly.

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>Tywin seems a hard man to you, but he's no harder than he's had to be. Our own father was gentle and amiable, but so weak his bannermen mocked him in their cups. Some saw fit to defy him openly. Other lords borrowed his gold and never troubled to repay it. At court they japed of toothless lions. Even his own mistress stole from him. A woman scarcely one step above a whore, and she helped herself to my mother's jewels! It fell to Tywin to restore House Lannister to its proper place. Just as it fell to him to rule this realm, when he was no more than twenty. He bore that heavy burden for twenty years and all it earned him was a mad king's envy. Instead of the honor he deserved, he was made to suffer slights beyond count, yet he gave the Seven Kingdoms peace, plenty and justice

>>87275029
House Stark is a hate group.

>>87275124
TV Euron is the worst adaptation from the book

Book Euron is basically an anime villain

>>87275124
DABID

>>87275087
DON'T FUCKING BULLY

>>87275141
>yet he gave the Seven Kingdoms peace, plenty and justice
>throws it all away because he fucked up as a father

>>87275185
>throws it all away because he wanted to cuck his midget son with a whore

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>>87275141
daddy

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>wants freedom for people
>won't let the kingdoms of Westeros choose their own king

>>87275185
it's like poetry

>>87275124
>>87275153
>be Euron
>take over the shield islands
>make all the noblewomen your servants
>choose a servant girl as your "queen" (salt wife)
>let her abuse the noble women who used to torment her

Based Euron

Anyone got the copypasta where Weiss calls DABID on the phone and babbles like a retard for an hour while Benioff gets his script-writing crayons?

>>87275141
>have a weak father
>decide to be stronger than anyone
>start wars that almost destroy your entire family

Bravo Tywin

>>87275212
It's called basic politics stupid anon.

>>87275231
>>let her abuse the noble women who used to torment her
He cuts out her tongue and ties her to the bow of his ship while she's pregnant?

>>87275231
The servant girl was the lord's bastard daughter, Euron later impregnated her, then tore out her tongue and tied her to the prow of his ship

>>87275212
democracy in middle ages?

>>87275231
sounds like fetish shit

>>87275276
>>87275279
Hey, nobody's perfect. And she had fun for at least an hour or two.

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>>87275141
Reminder that Tytos Lannister and Robert would have been bros.

>>87275281
what is the night's watch?

>>87275231
It was all a ruse

>>87275276
>>87275279
>“Falia Flowers,” he called. “Have courage, girl! All this will be over soon, and we will feast together in the Drowned God’s watery halls.”

>The girl raised up her head, but made no answer. She has no tongue to answer with, Damphair knew. He licked his lips, and tasted salt.

;_;

>>87275087
Seriously, what a fucking awful house. I really can't understand what they were thinking when they joined Robb.

>literally no natural defenses
>smaller army than the Lannisters, Baratheons, or Tyrells
>lol let's declare war on all of them

>>87275281
LEAKED S8 DIALOGUE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OmPEunBk3Y

>>87275369
they're family u fucking faggot

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>>87275139
dany was canonically underaged

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>>87273971
Eh Stannis theme is GOAT in my opinion.

Weird thing is, they initially may have intended it for all Baratheons save for Bobby B and his "kids". Watch some of the Renly scenes, after he says he'll take King's Landing, the Stannis theme plays for Renly.

In some official orchestra events, they even outright used the Warrior of Light for ALL of House Baratheon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZzXRXE6FnQ

Weird.

>>87275243
He didn't start any wars though.

>>87275281
Well the Italians voted for shit every once in awhile. Why not.

>>87275333
The night's watch is not a kingdom. Yes they work by honor and they choose their sherif but that is not democracy, can the workers in night's watch vote?

Robert's rebellion was based on a lie? How? Rhaegar and Lyanna did all this shit in secret

>>87275369
Robb was Hoster's grandson and Edmure's nephew, what the fuck did you think they would do

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Do you think Melisandre bareback fucked all her escorts during the weeks it must have taken to find the BWB?

Maybe as a reward, or encouragement?

Do you think she'd do it one at a time or all at once?

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>>87275045
Probably my favorite moment from the books. It blew my mind that GRRM would combine Jon and Staniss' arcs, though maybe it was obvious to some people.
But I forgot about
>Robert, Jon thought for one mad moment,
Did Jon not know that Bobby died?

>>87275328
The idea of Tytos and Robert partying 24/7 while Tywin and Stannis do all the actual work is pretty entertaining.

>>87275360
We all make mistakes. That's why pencils have erasers.

>>87275396
>charing headlong into certain death because your grandson is a moron
At least the Lannisters had money and numbers on their side when they followed their idiot grandson.

>>87275369
The alliance used to include the Vale. Another 30,000 men might have changed everything. But y'know Lysa.

>>87274087
>8 seasons to take down Cersei
>8 seasons to take down the Army of the Dead
FTFY*

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Glad you could make it, Ned

>>87275397
No she isn't. In the show she's 17 years old. That's legal in pretty much all of Europe and most of the United States. When I said underage I was thinking of Sansa and Arya, who don't reach that age until season 6 and season 8 respectively.

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>>87275087
>"We remember"
>Ultra cool thousand of years old bronze armor with first men's protective runes
>Doesn't know what they're supposed to remember or what the runes of their armors are supposed to protect them from
Is this just some GURM's shitty humor or something?

>>87275369
Well, apart from being family-tied to House Stark (fairly tightly, it would appear - if Edmure died it'd go to the Starks), the Riverlands are basically a kingdom-sized province without the natural borders of a province, or most crucially, the stable legal authority to stand on their own.

>>87275414
>can the workers in night's watch vote?
Yes.

>>87275446
He knew but he was so out of touch with southern politics that he hadn't gotten used to any other Baratheon kings yet. He was shocked and confused and not thinking straight. It's also supposed to show Stannis growing into a heroic role instead of being in his brother's shadow

>>87275442
>what the fuck did you think they would do
Good luck, we're rooting for you!

>>87275446
Stannis going north initially seems like an asspull but then you realize that it's perfectly in character and it's fucking brilliant.

>>87275045
Fuck stannis

>>87275491
Watch your tone with me, woman. You may be the queen, but I'm still your superior as King's Hand.

>>87275446
>Did Jon not know that Bobby died?
Nah, that's why it says "for one mad moment." What it is is that he's remembering one Night's Watch guy, who was a bit of a simpleton, who kept saying King Robert would come and save them.

Everyone thought Owen was crazy, but in the heat of the moment during the attack Jon remembered Owen's words.

>>87275129
What a shit, unoriginal character, literally male Cersei

>>87275369
The Riverlands are basically Poland, in a major war their geography makes them susceptible to invasion from multiple fronts, so they might as well declare for their family and join anyway

>>87275521
Right, which is why by all logic they should have stood with the crown. If things went south (heh), Robb could just retreat past the neck, and hold out for quite a while. What are the Riverlanders going to do?

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>>87275515
very nice

>>87275401
If Robert had chosen Stannis as his hand none of this would have happened.
Now Based Baratheons are extinct and targ fuckin shits will sit on the throne.

Fucking hell

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>>87275491
Was it rape?

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>>87275491
What are you doing with my Ned, you whore?

>>87275587
They had little choice. Catelyn was a Tully first. She basically made the decision for them.

>>87275507
>17 is legal in pretty much all of Europe
t. ameritard

>>87275491
They genuinely look related.

>>87275606
It's stunning how the Baratheons went from kings of all Westeros to literally extinct in less than 20 years (less than 15 years in the books). Makes you wonder how these houses survived for thousands of years.

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>>87275606
>and targ fuckin shits will sit on the throne.

>implying
the Fyre rises

>>87275369
Literally "Family, duty, honor", bruh

>>87275587
They were already pissed with the Lannisters for burning their lands.

Not to mention that they could have easily won their rebellion if the Tully ruling over the Vale would rather help her family than lust after LF's dick.

>>87275657
Eventually strong kings get weak heirs.

>>87275631
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#/media/File:Age_of_consent_in_Europe.svg

In literally every European country, it's 17 or younger, except for the Vatican and Malta.

>>87275657
I suspect that the lines have been broken plenty of times and whatever distant relation takes over just takes the name of the old house for continuity, like how Harold Hardyng will probably ascend to Lord of the Vale as an Arryn when he actually inherits.

>>87275655
Everyone in the UK is related. It's a very inbred place.

>>87275538
>seems like an asspull but then you realize that it's perfectly in character and it's fucking brilliant.
That's what was so good about GRRM's twists.
When D&D try to do their own "twist", it turns out like Littlefinger's death: totally predictable, horribly clunky in execution, and not very logically explicable. Or else it's like the Jon Targaryen "reveal", a classic, full-on Deus Ex Machina.

>>87275587
>Right, which is why by all logic they should have stood with the crown.
Not how politics works. The crown were out to screw you over, and the die was already cast by the people above you. And if you're talking about long-term strategic alliance planning, they would have thought they *were* allying with the crown, in that they were allying with Robert's best friend, and the other main kingdom who installed him on the throne.

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tfw no frogfu

Why did Littlefinger fuck up so badly? Fucking hell. All that plotting for nothing

>>87275786
Littlefinger was a retard.

>>87275786
I shoppose consistent writing is off the table as well

>>87275657
They were already small in numbers as evidenced by how each of the brothers relied on their wives' families more than on their own.

>>87275772
>Or else it's like the Jon Targaryen "reveal", a classic, full-on Deus Ex Machina.
Oh please, you'd have to be retarded not to have figured it out by the end of S6.

Im thinking about starting the books one of these days.
Is it even worth it at this point.

Also i've always wondered, all the history like blackfyre rebellion and evens prior to GoT, is it explained in the actual books or is it some expanded universe bullshit, like the world of ice and fire shit? (i really know nothing about the books)

>>87275786
Because D&D. Or do you think he will end up like that in the books?

Dany was dumb and listened to the midget, She should have immediately scorched kings landing.

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>>87275655
>tfw Ned is a Lannister who dyes his hair

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>>87275777
tfw no orangutanfu

>>87275824
In season 6 they literally cut from Bran viewing Lyanna's secret to Jon's face, so it's the same thing

>>87275657
It's a plot device and some lazy writing.

All the great houses should have cousins and cadet houses.

Look at how many silly little cunts there were to lay claim during the War of the Roses every time someone at the top got bumped off.

>>87275855
I really fucking hate short hair jamie, he was god tier up until he returned to kings landing
Why the fuck does he have the meme hair now?

>>87275851
She should have just assassinated Cersei and took hold of the Red Keep with her dragons. Literally no one would have opposed her because no one cares about Cersei.

>>87275845
that's what I thought. Seemed like it was leading up to something at least and then he just gets killed.

>>87275841
>Is it even worth it at this point.
Yes, they're very good and different from the show.

>Also i've always wondered, all the history like blackfyre rebellion and evens prior to GoT, is it explained in the actual books
Mostly in the books. Though lots of the Blackfyre stuff is in the short stories rather than the novels.

>>87275841
just read the books lad

>>87275855
Jaime got so ugly since season 1

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Would the Freys descended from Genna Lannister inherit Casterly rock if all the rest of the Lannisters went extinct?

>>87275855
Who is supposed to be on Tywin's left?

>>87275720
Lannisters have the side-Lannisters like where Lancel (GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME) comes from, and in the books it's fairly panned out in a lot of families like the Tyrells, who have two sons besides Loras.

>>87275824
No, I don't mean the ability of the audience to find out, I mean the ability of the people in the setting to find out this piece of information was dependent on a magically-informed superhuman flat-out telling them. (Or alternately, stumbling on the information in a book you flipped open).

>>87275841
Expanded universe, but apparently it's not doorstopper stuff like the main ones, it's a picture-book type thing for the way back history, and the Duncan and Egg stories are light reading.

>>87275212
>"I'm not here to burn and destroy, so let me demonstrate that by burning you and destroying your food."
Mad
Queen

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>>87275491
Queen

>>87275974
I think Gerion had a bastard daughter who lives at Casterly Rock, so she might get legitimized

>>87275930
>>87275933
Anyone have any experiences with the Spanish versions?
I would read them on english but i want physical copies of them

Also the reason im asking about the backstory its because its usually more interesting to me than the eternal "muh white walkers" plot of the novels, i get much more invested in wars and great men and heroes and shit rathen than over the top magic bullshit and plot armor

>>87276001
>Lannisters have the side-Lannisters like where Lancel (GODS WHAT A STUPID NAME) comes from, and in the books it's fairly panned out in a lot of families like the Tyrells, who have two sons besides Loras.
There's a bunch of Stark cadets mentioned more recent than the Karstarks too but apparently htey all recently got exterminated in little civil wars. There's also the Gulltown Arryns and such.

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>>87275989
they shoved brienne in there because theyr retards

>>87275989
Joffrey

>>87275974
Wouldn't it just go to the Lannisters of Lannisport? Same name, technically a different house. Kind of like Karstarks and Starks.

>>87276076
Well she'll be a Lannister eventually

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>>87275841
They're really bad, and if you read them they'll turn you into a retard who thinks the show is shit and the books are the very best thing, when in reality, it's quite the opposite, all the show has ever done is filter GRRM's shit writing.

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>>87276003
>Mad
>Queen
Confirmed

>>87276044
tbf the Others (the proper name for the white walkers) aren't in the books much even at this point, but what's there is more interesting than the show.

>>87276061
Apparently as well it's much more heavily a thing in Westeros for non-firstborn sons to be pushed into the Citadel and the Night's Watch, so that would thin out the line a fair bit, just not as much as necessary to totally reduce the existence of cadet branches.

>>87276102
That's fucking disgusting.

The new season doesn't comes out until 2019, so, do you expect the new book to come first /rv/?

Btw, seems like the mods are working, nice.

>>87276061
Lancel is a side Lannister? I thought he was the son of Tywin's brother Kevin?

>>87276044
A major complaint about the two most recent books is too much backstory, so if that's right up your alley you'll have a good time. They're all very good books, but the fifth book, A Dance With Dragons, has some painfully boring Danaerys scenes.

>>87276149
The new Wildcards book? yes

>>87276084
>Wouldn't it just go to the Lannisters of Lannisport? Same name, technically a different house. Kind of like Karstarks and Starks.
I doubt it. There's probably other families with more immediate marriage ties that are way ahead in the line of succession despite having different names.

>>87276119
This is a meme. That's not even a bad passage, just "le shit is funny XD" reddit shit. If you want to quote a bad piece of GRRM writing it should be from one of the sex scenes in the last two books.

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>>87275989
its tywin's right otherwise you'd just say "to the left of Tywin."

>>87275841
just read them, it doesn't take very long
don't listen to the muh sunset found her squatting faggots

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>>87276149
>I'm writing as fast as I can XD

>>87276044
>Anyone have any experiences with the Spanish versions?

I wouldn't know maybe someone else can answer lo siento no hablo espanol PUTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>i get much more invested in wars and great men and heroes and shit rathen than over the top magic bullshit and plot armor

Have you read lotr? It's rich with lore and world building and generally a better place to start if you haven't read either

>>87276154
>I thought he was the son of Tywin's brother Kevin?
Kevan LANNISTER.

>>87276149
>so, do you expect the new book to come first /rv/?

I really don't. If GRRM wrote just one page per day since Dance was released, he could have written two full books right now. He he hasn't even written one. I think he's out of ideas. We'll get Winds in 2020, and he will die before we get Dream. The show is the only ending we're ever going to get.

>>87276186
Yes i love lotr and simarillion too
The hobbit is alright too

did any of the characters ever really said "Targ fucking shits"?

How do I write fancy dialogue like GRRM? I have the story clear with a similar world except I will have gunpowder in it with steampunk tanks being the my dragons kind off.

>>87276196
Yes, Kevan LANNISTER, of CASTERLY ROCK. Literally Tywin's brother. He's not a side Lannister like the Lannisters of Lannisport or the Arryns of Gulltown.

>>87276184
The absolute fucker is doing it on purpose at this point. I...I almost respect that.

>>87276184
>It's not Blackfire, it's Blackfyre
I wanna find the moron who told GURM putting Ys in names made them cooler and just punch him in the throat

>>87276149
Gurm will have a heart attack next year, and on his deathbed he'll declare that the show is canon

>>87276227
literally once every episode so far

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>>87276176
>That's not even a bad passage

>>87276227
Newfag

>>87276227
IF ANY MORE WORDS COME POURING OUT OF YOUR CUNT MOUTH I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BOOOOOAR EVERY TARG FUCKING SHIT IN THIS ROOM
~t. Robert Baratheon

>>87276044
I don't know about Spanish but if the German translation is anything to go by they're stilted and overly literal.

>>87276226
Very nice, as another anon said the books are a lot richer and contain what you seem to like so yes you would definitely enjoy them. I also recommend the Dune series, the world the author creates is very fleshed out and rich.

>>87276237
Is GRRM's dialogue really that fancy?

>>87276250
All of GRRM's names are lazy misspellings of real names

>Eddard, not Edward
>Jaime, not Jamie
>Lancel, not Lancelot
>Kevan, not Kevin
>Tommen, not Thomas
>Myrcella, not Marcela

And so on

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>>87276227
>"Targ fucking shits"?
Aegor "Bittersteel" Rivers

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Cast him

>>87276227
mark wahlberg made a cameo in season 1 and uttered the first and only "targ fucking shits" in GoT

>>87276315
>Cersei, not ???

>>87276315
>Is GRRM's dialogue really that fancy?
for me it is. It's kind of hard to get a dialogue rolling

>>87274955
I missed the episode

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>>87276251
AHHHHHHH DABID FINISH MY SERIES FOR ME

>>87276297
>if the German translation is anything to go by they're stilted and overly literal.

lol I love the German language because of this. no nuance or poetry

>>87276247
>a side Lannister
Sorry, there's confusion here.
By "side Lannister" I meant "a generation of Lannisters that isn't far enough removed to be a cadet branch". Lannisters of Lannisport go back as far into the "mist of history" as the likes of the Karstarks, enough to be their own thing, just less powerful obviously.
It's a bit like how if Benjen wasn't an undead ranger, he'd not be a "cadet branch" all by himself until the children generation had children.

>>87276333
In the winds of winter it will be the 6th blackfrye rebellion

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what would you do to her?

>>87276346
Genuinely can't think of one, this might be one of the few original names. I've noticed the Targs seems to have original names too.

>>87276149
You're pretty naive son. GRRM won't deliver any new book any time soon, the truth is he has no idea on how to finish the story so he's waiting for the show to end, and then take from it the ideas the audience liked, change some stuff and add some deaths here and there, and that's it. And that if he doesn't die first, something that seems pretty likely.

>>87276315
>Is GRRM's dialogue really that fancy?
No, it's full of American-only swears and torpid sex.

>>87276433
looks like a homeless old woman in the thumbnail

>>87276453
>it's full of American-only swears
A book by an American author is full of American-only swears? You don't say?

>>87276443
Circe, character from Greek mythology

>>87276406
ASOAIF is the worst case of this I've seen.

>implying there's no German poetry

>>87276430
Just known as "Agon's restoration" or some shit for the falk of westeros

>>87276443
I thought it was a fancy variation of Circe, which is unusual in itself.

>>87276430
>rebellion
How can the legitimate government rebel?

>>87276315
>Lysa, not Lisa
>Catelyn, not ???

>>87276176
>She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.
>her cunt became the world.
>HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD
>SANSA, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL
>HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD
>SANSA, THE WORLD, HER CUNT BECAME THE WORLD
>HER CUNT SANSA, HER CUNT, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

>>87274973

Does he hit a little close to home?

>>87276543
Caitlin?

>>87276433
Watch her be raped by a pig.

>>87276446
GRRM's problem isn't that he doesn't know how the series ends, it's that he doesn't know how to get there. Also he's lazy as fuck.

>>87276491
>>87276526
You're right, really should have thought of that.

>>87276499
At this point I think the people of Westeros are so tired that they don't care who calls himself king as long as the fighting stops. Everywhere except the Reach has been ravaged to hell and back.

>>87276536
Aegon IV fully undoubtably deserves the title "Targ fucking shit" desu

>>87276433
I went on vacation last week and thus took a break from /got/ for the first time in like six months and yesterday the first day I got back I watched the episode with a mind free from dany hate and jonerys fags and I honestly found her so cute and charismatic, it was nice.
>>87276493
Yeah idk I'm no linguist but I have a german friend and he tells me all about the german language and he makes it seem like it's a very "technical" language if you will. I certainly wasn't implying that more just a remark in jest.

So there is one thing I don't get.

What does Dany think will happen after she wins?

The Dothraki are literal raping, pillaging savages who stand for everything she is against.

Once she has conquered Westeros they will have nothing to do and they will regress to their base impulses of raping and pillaging.

Will she send them back to Essos?

She didn't really think her plan through IMO.

>>87276543
catherine

>>87276543
Caitlin, however irl in the United States there are so many middle class white girls with misspelled versions of Caitlin. In my life I've met:

>Katelyn
>Katlynne
>Kaitlyn
>Caitlyn

And so on.

>>87276622
It can be but Goethe for instance can still be very poetic. ASOIAF in German is more mechanical even than the original.

>>87276607
Jaime's name doesn't come out of thin air too. It literally ties with Cersei's.

Last episode was the first time this season I didn't skip the Winterfell scenes. Holy shit Arya and Littlefinger, this show has become a meme

>>87276641
She's going to burn them.

>>87276641
They'll do whatever she says or else they'll be roasted dragon food

>>87276607
>Everywhere except the Reach has been ravaged to hell and back.
The Reach is currently getting Euron'd. The Vale and Dorne are the only untouched places.

>>87276606
>Watch her be raped by a pig.
reported

>>87276641
In the show, the Dothraki now worship her as a demigod for killing all the khals in the tent and emerging unburnt, so when she tells them "ok no more rape" they listen. And maybe I've been spending too much time on /pol/, but I can't help but feel I'm watching a white female university student's vision of how to deal with immigrant rapists.

>"Rape is bad we're in civilization now! no more rape! Ok?"
>"Ok..."

>>87276488
American only drivel in a novel that attempts to replicate a lot of European (in particular French) history, including using the wars of the roses as a tempalte for a lot of his own writing in ASOIAF. He tries to replicate some speech and mannerisms but then fails miserably by including Americanisms.

>>87276641
White Walkers will conveniently destroy the majority of them.

>>87276237
Grrm's dialogue is fucking dull as dishwater anon. Its my biggest problem with the books, they have all this universe and lore but most of the conversations are just overly realistic yammering and literally NONE of it becomes memorable as actual quotes.

>>87276315
His names are so weirdly cartoonist considering how realistic he takes the rest of his works. I at one point during my first read through of the books had a sizable list of all the silliness with his names. Just off the top of my head
>PAYNE the cruel headsman
>The head of STARK house is a cold and somewhat rigid man of a barren and grey land
>Lord GREYJOY the morose old codger
>Vargo HOAT happens to look and talk like a goat
Theres also a fair fistful of location names/character names that are references to Tolkien works (again off the top of my head Tirion comes to mind)

>>87276641
>What does Dany think will happen after she wins?
She hasn't thought it through that far

>>87276670
>Kaitlyn

those are the ones you have to look out for. the craziest of the caitlins

>>87276722
Keep getting the show and books mixed up. But you're right. Dorne is untouched (although in the show there are no more Dornish rulers), and the Vale is also fine (based Littlefinger).

>When we were little, Jaime and I were so much alike that even our lord father could not tell us apart. Sometimes as a lark we would dress in each other's clothes and spend a whole day each as the other.
What did he do? Seduce stable boys?

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>>87276543
>Caitlin, Katelyn and Kate Lynn, two words

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>>87276687
Uh, you don't get to bring sisters.

Is this GRRM dying before finishig the books a meme or are there any truth behind it, like has he cancer or some shit?

>>87276738
>"Ser Alliser Thorne walked from the room so stiffly it looked as though he had a dagger up his butt".

This one always gets me

>>87276738
>He tries to replicate some speech and mannerisms but then fails miserably by including Americanisms.
I think it's pretty clear that he's trying to make his own world based on european history. Of course the culture and mannerisms aren't going to be an exact copy of medieval France/Britain. For starters they're all fucking polytheists. And I really don't see the problem with using your native language and words in a work heavily inspired by a foreign historical culture.

>>87276606
I want to be that pig.
>>87276819
He's old.

>>87276738
>He tries to replicate some speech and mannerisms but then fails miserably by including Americanisms.
You know not a single person in the War of the Roses spoke RP

>>87276727
>And maybe I've been spending too much time on /pol/, but I can't help but feel I'm watching a white female university student's vision of how to deal with immigrant rapists.

You're probably spending too much time on /pol/. The influx of middle eastern people into europe is definitely a problem that needs to be rethought but the show isn't some subliminal conditioning or allegory for modern times.

>>87276819
no he's just fat and old and slow at writing
being rich helps though, that might extend his chances a bit

>>87276622
4chan makes people bitter

>>87276819
It's a meme. He's fine.

>Cersei and tyrion are in love
>since the beginning
>they've conspired to kill Tywin, and now Daenerys
>then "the dumbest Lannister"
>they'll rule together

Why didn't Littlefinger just teleport away?

>>87276775
Kaitlyns and Kaylees are all walking time bombs with wealthy, emotionally unavailable fathers.

>>87276819
GRRM is 69 years old and he's morbidly obese. The statistics are not in his favor here, I doubt he lives to see his 75th birthday.

>>87276819
He's a morbidly obese lazy fuck. He's gonna die of a heart attack.

>>87276898
You can't use fast trace when your enemies are nearby

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>>87276763
>and literally NONE of it becomes memorable as actual quotes.

>implying

>PAYNE the cruel headsman
That's a real name. My grandmother's last name was Payne. Same spelling and everything.

>>87276885

>nearly 70 y.o
>fat, obese
>american
>does nothing but restaurants

Yes, he's fine

>>87276898
You can teleport inside of Winterfell

>>87276876
I definitely don't think it's deliberate conditioning or allegory, only that there is a weird similarity with the whole "naive rich white girl tries to tame the savages". However,

>You're probably spending too much time on /pol/.
You're probably right.

>>87276781
Probably sew and eat lemon cakes and sing and have an ever so delightful time.

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>>87276919
Muricans and their short lifespans, I swear

>>87276781
>tomboy Cersei

Fucking hot

>>87276898
Cooldown hadn't expired yet. He was mashing the hotkey up until his throat was opened.

>>87277034
god damnit I hate how Europeans lop all Americans into the southern belt when it's convenient for them. Those fat fucks bring down all our statistics because they're filled with fat baby boomers and niggers.

>>87277034
I don't know why you're trying to turn this into /int/ shitposting. A person as fat as GRRM is not likely to live past 75 no matter where he lives.

>>87276781
Cersei would probably go and touch other boys just so Jaime had to explain himself the next day desu

>>87276973
You could have just said he's American

>>87276781
>>87277047
Are we not addressing the fact that Jaime enjoyed crossdressing as a child?

>>87277128
Jaime probably did the same thing with other girls.

>>87277034
>the higher concentration of white europeans there are the higher the expected lifespan
really made me think

>>87277125
Eh. My grandpa was fat like him and he lived until he was 95

surprised Littlefinger lasted this long desu. He always acted retarded as if he wanted people to know he was scheming.

Don't see what exactly his plan to get on the iron throne was

>>87277172
>Are we not addressing the fact that Jaime enjoyed crossdressing as a child?
He's clearly been waiting for a brave knight (female) like Brienne to sweep him off his feet

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>>87277189
West Virginia is literally 97% white and California is less than 50% white. Florida is also very non-white, although I suppose that depends on your position concerning "white cubans" like pic related.

>>87277192
Ya but your grandpa didnt likely have the half-stroke that ol' georgie did when Trump came to power and force him to rewrite his last two books to incorporate the new villain Night Emperor BlumferPumf of Old House Two Scoops

I dont see him pulling through

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Remember Jaime vs Cthulhu?
http://grrm.livejournal.com/140797.html

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>>87275414
>can the workers in the Night's watch vote?

I mean yeah, they do in the show, they vote for their leader.

Probably closer to a republic rather than a democracy since they elect the leader who chooses his cabinet positions essentially.

>>87277244
Are we counting hispanics as white or nonwhite for this purpose?

>and California is less than 50% white
I'm pretty sure this is wrong

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>>87277243
>Brienne "Chadette" Thundercunt out there stealing all the men

>>87277128
Is that why one of the maesters tried to diddle him?

>>87277249
>Ya but your grandpa didnt likely have the half-stroke that ol' georgie did when Trump came to power and force him to rewrite his last two books to incorporate the new villain Night Emperor BlumferPumf of Old House Two Scoops
>I dont see him pulling through
Kek'd
So you really think he had to rewrite his books every time the election results shifted?

>>87277293
>Are we counting hispanics as white or nonwhite for this purpose?
Hispanics aren't a race. We have tons of races: whites, blacks, mestizos (native/white mix), mulattos (black/white mix), etc. .The hispanics in California are not white, they're overwhelmingly mestizo Mexicans.

>>87277293
>>and California is less than 50% white
>I'm pretty sure this is wrong
>>87277244
Looked it up, this is only the case of hispanic is counted as a different race. Wish they'd be consistent with this.

>>87277335
UMA

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>>87277296
>>87277243
>"She’s obviously always going to be a huge part of him and there won’t be a day where he won’t be thinking of Cersei because ― just like Tyrion is thinking about his father [Tywin] every day and his niece [Myrcella] and his nephew [Tommen] who would’ve been alive if it wasn’t for him ― it’s the same for Jaime. Cersei is always going to be there. He’s going to have so many hours of the day with a therapist from now on and every time it’s going to be back to Cersei."

>"After I saw Episode 6, I’m so rooting for Tormund Giantsbane and Brienne of Tarth to become a couple. She needs to go with someone who wants her instead of always … the Jaime-Brienne thing was never going to happen. He’s too messed up. She should go with Tormund because he is so in love with her. Maybe he’s coming on too hard because he’s already talking about babies and all that, but I think that’s the one for her."

>"I don’t think she ever wanted [Jaime]. I think that she liked him and they respected each other, but I don’t think she’s ever looked at Jaime the way Tormund looks at her. There’s never been that kind of beautiful lustful relationship between Jaime and Brienne. It’s been more like an emotional connection. I don’t see it happening. I think Jaime is truly damaged goods, anyone should stay away from him. His twin sister is always going to be there — it’s going to be weird."

>"I hope I get to have some scenes with Gwendoline [Christie] again because she’s so much fun to be around and she’s great. But in terms of story, it doesn’t makes sense for them to be a couple"

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>>87277319
>>87277249
The sad thing is that GURM unironically did something similar.

>"Eat your heart out, Rowling," Martin wrote. "Maybe you have billions of dollars and my Hugo, but you don't have readers like these."

>In 2012, Martin, author of the "A Song of Ice and Fire" series (adapted for HBO as "Game of Thrones"), elaborated on his feelings. "I wish I have beaten her, what can I say! I would have liked to win that award and I don't think Rowling cares much about it," Martin told the blog Adria's News. "And she didn't send anyone to accept the award, which is certainly annoying."

>His grudge may have led him to poke fun at "Harry Potter" within the pages of the next book in his series, "A Feast for Crows," The Wire reported. In a passage of that book, Martin described a fight between the female knight Brienne of Tarth and two male knights. "She had ridden over Harry Sawyer and broken Robin Potter's helm, giving him a nasty scar," Martin wrote.

>>87277249
GRRM's been good at keeping his politics out of the books so far. I doubt that'll change. He's too old for Trump mania to completely consume him.

>>87277347
>Looked it up, this is only the case of hispanic is counted as a different race
No it isn't. You know the "America 65% white meme"? That excludes hispanics. And it should, the vast majority of hispanics are not white. The only majority white hispanic country is spain itself. Argentina, Chile, Cuba, and Uruguay have large white minorities but that's about it.

So what was the night king planning to do before he got the dragons? Also how can it destroy a magical wall meant to keep them out?

>>87277368
>caring about what actors on the show have to say
>caring about the show for anything but comedy

>>87277377
what an absolute petty f*ggot

>>87277395
How is white defined for these surveys.

>>87277396
>Also how can it destroy a magical wall meant to keep them out?
There are two ways of looking at this:

1. Dragonfire is magic, which makes sense since nothing about dragons make any biological sense (no genders, how the fuck can something that big fly, where does the fire come from, how do they obey Targaryens, and so on).

2. The wall isn't actually magic, it's just a giant fucking ice wall. The only magical barriers are in those doorways. The Others just needed to knock down the wall somehow.

I think #1 makes sense, because if the answer was #2 then White Walkers would have just climbed the walls.

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>>87277420
I hate those fags since they made Nikolaj took down pic related because they're jealous retards.

>>87277319
Most certainly. That Marxist faggot will rewrite himself into the grave. I can imagine him now, in his cheeto stained tightie whities, socks three times too small, and golfing cap slavering and roaring at the shifting polls by light of a 2 AM tv screen. The piles of The New Yorker that support the stress he eases down onto his lazy boy tremble and shift as the flemcoated, throaty gurgling fills his mansion from the back of his necks.
>YAAAASSSS QUEEN SLAAAAY
>ITS HEEER TUUUUURN

Season seemed rushed, yeah?

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>>87277377
>>87277427
Well who can blame him when he's being unfairly compared to the author of the dullest series in the history of book series which was adapted into the dullest franchise in the history of movie franchises. Each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>87277447
>How is white defined for these surveys.
Unfortunately it's all self-reported, so I admit there almost certainly a number of light-skinned non-white hispanics who incorrectly mark themselves down as white. However, it's defined as someone of European or North African descent. There's also an implication that you need to be light-skinned.

>inb4 somebody from France starts laughing at the North African part

North Africans are so absurdly rare here that they're statistically insignificant. Not even one half of one percent. And they all identify as Arab. Same thing happens with our Arab population (again, tiny minority), they could identify as white as well as Arab if they chose, but they choose to only identify as Arab.

But enough /int/ and /pol/ shit, this is /tv/ ffs

>>87277387
I'm pretty sure he has described himself as a feminist and it shows in his books

>>87277197
LF's goal was to achieve the throne, his father was a sellsword who was awarded the smalles of lordships, being born a noble was raised at riverrun, where he fell in love with Khaterine Bully, who teased him every day, while he cucked lysa arryn, his goal was to ascend in the chaos ladder, attain more power, by getting Arya killed, LF had no more obstacles left, he could finally get rid of the stark boy, turn Sansa against Jon Snow, make her Queen in the north & marry her, unite the Vale along with the northern lords & finally ascend into kinghood, using the combined power of teh northern lords with the vale knights he could dethrone Cersei, unite the seven kingdoms with his trickery scheming, defeat the Night King & finally bring peace to the realm, what could have been, but no, it's the cersei show, YAAAASSS QUEEEEN CERSEEII, what a fucking bunch of bullcrap, LF was the prince that was promised.

>>87277458
Nani? What's wrong with dates and dried apricots?

>>87277387
Im not shitposting when I say that the entire point of ASOIF is a NEARLY marxist, definitely feminism piece. His writing has always been exclusively his politics IMO.

>He's too old for Trump mania to completely consume him.

Anon ive got some bad news

>>87277377
>"I wish I have beaten her, what can I say! I would have liked to win that award and I don't think Rowling cares much about it,"
Jesus, it's just a science fiction award, why is he still butthurt about that 12 years later.

Can't he just write more in order to win one?

>>87277507
never thought I'd see this in /got/.

xD

>>87277507
>Atlus Shrugged

You have to be 18 to post on this site

>>87277497
Yeah, the showrunners are moving things fast because they want to start a different show. This season only had 7 episodes. Very disappointing.

>>87277512
Explain

>>87277197
Tbf at this point in the books, Littlefinger already controls the Vale, the Riverlands, and Sansa, who's the key to the North. The Vale and its armies are completely undamaged, too, and he's open to be married so he's got more options there. He's doing really well for himself.

>>87277571
The hashtag #twinlove triggered them.

>>87277512
>I'm pretty sure he has described himself as a feminist and it shows in his books
The only interview I saw him say this also had him say he's reluctant to do that now since feminism now seems to think men cannot be feminists and that's not what he signed up for.

>>87277577
He controls the riverlands? I missed that

>>87277573
>Im not shitposting when I say that the entire point of ASOIF is a NEARLY marxist, definitely feminism piece. His writing has always been exclusively his politics IMO.
Go on.

>>87277577
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9959063/Game-of-Throness-George-RR-Martin-Im-a-feminist.html

>>87277577
>because they want to start a different show.

>they're seriously ditching this for their Confederacy show
kekest of all keks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZpkJiEZud8

All men must die

>>87277642
Im finding it hard to find a place to start honestly. Its the entire thing and id just be sitting here greentexting entire lists of points and plots. Have you ever done any research on GRRM and his entire works? The man reuses the same literary tools, character arcs, and story beats constantly. Nearly every character in ASOIF was intended to build up a view of how objectively bad and never justifiable war and supreme rule is, how people get along better when left without a governing body, how woman are oppressed by systemic bigotry, and how masculinity is harmful to the human mind

>>87277824
>objectively bad and never justifiable war and supreme rule is, how people get along better when left without a governing body
yeah marxists fucking hate governing bodies and supreme rule

who here /wikifag/

>>87277944
I think they mostly left after the season ended.

>>87277976
I guess that's why bobbyposting stopped as well?

Why does the show hate historical armour?

>>87277507
As an Italian I'd put "the name of the Rose" somewhere there

>>87277507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j56IiLqZ9U

>>87276819
Dude, he's 68 years old, and fucking morbidly obese. He's pushing the odds every day he wakes up.

>>87276738
Are you seriously complaining that a novel NOT set in Europe isn't European enough?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

they had 8000 years or something since building the wall before dragons came and nobody fucking invented artillery(I don't mean artillery that uses gunpowder)?

>>87278310
you mean catapults and ballistas and shit? they have those

>>87278310
>they had 8000 years or something since building the wall before dragons came
Actually later books imply that they have no idea how long it's really been and 8,000 years is just the common story. It's probably been a lot less time

>>87278310
>primitive polynesian tribes had boats that could sail far thousands of years ago
>wildlings can't even build a fucking raft

>>87277512
There's nothing wrong with feminism, It's a movement I support, the problem with feminism, it's the neo-feminists who arrived late to the party, feminism is done, it's over, womyn get to vote, own property, fair wages & everything else, there is nothing else to fight for, except on third world countries with crazy religious people, what saddens me is that neo-feminism became a tumblr trend rather than a real movement aimed at helping women, women on egypt get their private parts burnt at certain age so they won't feel pleasure during sex or are forced to wear hijabs and submit to the will of an abusing man, those are the women who need help and what are neo-feminists doing? nothing, dying her cunt neon-blue and uploading their pictures with the hashtag #mybody #mychoice, the current state of feminism.

>>87276414
Benjen couldn't do shit. There's never enough time.

>>87278371
How the hell do they periodically raid Bear island then?

>>87278371
>>wildlings can't even build a fucking raft
they do though indaboox

Alternatively

>primitive polynesian tribes had boats that could sail far thousands of years ago
>South Africans can't even build a fucking raft

>>87277640
Yes. He was named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands.

>>87278310
It's implied that:

>the Maesters deliberately stunted development
>the wall is not as old as people think, because the Maesters control all historical records

It is directly stated that:
>The maesters caused the extinction of the dragons

In all seriousness, how are people not more suspicious about the Maesters? A secretive order, and yet every single castle has one? Only they can send ravens properly? Only they can tell when winter is coming? Only they can heal? What the fuck is going on in Westeros?

Why has Oldtown, home of the maesters, stayed prosperous and unharmed while the rest of Westeros has burned for centuries?

>>87278363
Does the books mention dragons being harmed by them then? Given that not everyone submitted to them immediately certainly they had long enough time to prepare for them coming.

>>87278364
Still they should have developed some form of it, right?


>>87278371
Really? You'd think somebody living in the north could use fish for food

>>87278488
Or even
>freaking Melanesian from Indonesia reached Madagascar before Africans did

>>87278476
Swimming? idk but if they had fucking rafts they could go past the wall

>>87278517
dornish killed one of the OG 3 dragons with a scorpion (basically a ballista)

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>>87278517
>Does the books mention dragons being harmed by them then?
Yes, they do. Dorne killed one of the original three dragons with a ballista bolt right to the head.

>>87278507
>It is directly stated that:
>>The maesters caused the extinction of the dragons
Well, Marwyn thinks so anyway. I'm a bit suspicious of him given his choice of company and past associations.

>>87278507
>how are people not more suspicious about the Maesters?
IIRC in the stuff related to the Northern conspiracies in the books the nobles are weary of masters and only meet in person

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>>87278507
>The Eternal Maester

(but why?)

>>87278014
GODS I WAS STRONG THEN

>>87278534
they did, but northerners had actual boats which wreck rafts easily, so there's no reliable way to get a large number of people across by sea
also they'd need to be actually seaworthy, which would be a challenge for wildlings to produce in any significant quantity

>>87278534
I think they do have small rafts but no big boats to transport people for long voyages with supplies and shit, plus the time factor

>>87278534
The seas there are fucking awful so it's hard for them to move whole clans south via boat.

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>>87278580
Oh, I heard that before but I thought it was a literal scorpion because they like using poison. Fucking hell

>>87277577
>>87278507
he only controls the riverlands in title, which is absolutely meaningless if he goes against the crown

>>87278584
Isn't it kinda weird that he would spell that out for Sam, a complete stranger, yet almost no one in Westeros thinks about that? If Marwyn likes to blabber about Maesters to every stranger than the knowledge should be much more common, like how everyone knows about Bilderberg and Jews did 9/11

>>87278645
They prolly also poisoned it just in case it didn't kill the dragon on the spot anyways

>>87278614
>>87278633
>>87278644
Yet primitive Polynesians that had cultures far less technologically advanced than the wildlings could sail long distance.

>>87278671
>yet almost no one in Westeros thinks about that?
Several characters in the books are very suspicious of Maesters thanks to their control of the flow of information. Marwyn's just the main one pushing some unified conspiracy against magic.

>>87278703
the only reason it worked is because the bolt pierced through both eyes

So did Arya and Sansa pretend to hate each other in the scenes when Littlefinger wasn't around just in case he could somehow hear them?

>>87278741
>far less technologically advanced than the wildlings
Only the Thenns know how to make bronze n shit, the rest isn't that tech advanced

>>87278741
Why don't Yakuts and Inuits have big fleets sailing everywhere?

>>87278671
>If Marwyn likes to blabber about Maesters to every stranger than the knowledge should be much more common, like how everyone knows about Bilderberg and Jews did 9/11
Your Jew thing is actually a good analogy. You'll find people everywhere claiming that Jews did 9/11. How many people actually believe that Jews did 9/11? Not many. It's dismissed as a silly conspiracy theory by the educated. Now, I don't think Jews did 9/11. But I think the principle with the theory is similar. Who educates the noblemen? The maesters.

>>87278741
polynesians didn't navigate the antartic, and when they were opposed by real boats they obviously couldn't do shit

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>>87278802

I understand why Maesters would stifle magic, but why stifle technological development?

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I'm still here

>>87278791
Isaac Wright said in an interview that they filmed a scene where Sansa came to him conflicted and he told her the truth.

So no.

>>87277640
He was made Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. It's how he got to marry Lysa.

>>87278963
We don't even really know if they did the first one much less the second. But if they did, lots of people stand to loose power if tech spreads and offers new opportunities to the plebs. Imagine how fucked the Maesters would be if literacy were widespread and there were printing presses available.

>>87279034
He's not in a hurry to actually claim the place though, since it's a huge mess.

>>87279143
>>87279143
>>87279143
>>87279143
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>>87279035
why wouldn't they just take control of the printing press? Imagine being able to control the goy- I mean plebs directly.

>>87277573
>I say that the entire point of ASOIF is a NEARLY marxist, definitely feminism piece.
> Not shitposting
Really hard to believe

>>87278507
Oldtown used to be the center of the Faith before Baelor built the Great Sept in King's Landing. You generally don't attack the home of your culture's religion.

>>87277824
You got so blinded by your own beliefs that, at this point, you see what you want to see. I bet you are the type of person that thinks Disney classics were Jewish propaganda to turn children gay.
> Marxism in a medieval world centuries prior to industrial revolution
Really shows how dumb your views are.

Anyone else want to re read asoiaf but are too intimidated by the prospect? They're some fuck off big books

>>87278310
You are probably under the false assumption that our real world is 2000 years old due to Gregorian calendar, but that calendar is very misleading. We should have stopped using it by now.
When jesus came aboard the ship, we were long past metal age, there were modern tier metropolitan cities with thousands of inhabitants, engineering, mathematics and astronomy were highly developed and we also head the world's greatest empire in it's prime. From first Paleolithic humans, that was a huge fucking step.
To put it roughly approximated, our current civilized world is 12 thousand years, counting from the earliest archeological founding of a complex building ever discovered, a temple in east Asia. I'll link you a nice video on the matter.
To summarize it, westeros is probably a thousand years away from our current world. Unfortunately all you think about is weaponry, but their universe lacks gunpowder