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Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpzv6v5KBM

Some carry-over discussion from last thread:

Are humans as "programmed" as robots? >>81942383

Just how sentient are the emojibots? >>81942248

What constitutes a two/three-parter? >>81941989

Could Class' ratings in the USA see BBCA co-producing a second series? >>81942024

Is Narvin timelordkino? >>81941849

Could the robots experiencing grief of their own lead to a better ending? >>81941759

>>81942602 Pic related

>>81942687
>Is Narvin timelordkino
Of course, he's my favourite Time Lord.

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>in this episode

>>81942687
>Are humans as "programmed" as robots?
if you're in the military or some other thing that requires people to do a daily routine, then probably

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>>81942666
That's an adorable pic of Four, OP.

>>81942687
>Could the robots experiencing grief of their own lead to a better ending?
Yes. And it's bizarre this wasn't the ending. It felt like that's explicitly what they were setting up with one of the robots dying and the others not being sure how to process it. The Doctor should've sat them down and said "Hey, this is grief and death. This is what you've been doing to the humans" and make remorseful for their actions, instead of just sonicing their memories away.

>>81942722
Can I ask why? I've only just listened to the first gallifrey audio, but I've seen Narvin fan art over the years and gathered he was a fan favourite. So far he seems like a bit of a jerk though.

>>81942687
>Are humans as "programmed" as robots?
yes
>>81942687
>Just how sentient are the emojibots?
just like you and me
>>81942687
>What constitutes a two/three-parter?
an episode with two/three parts
>>81942687
>Could Class' ratings in the USA see BBCA co-producing a second series?
never!
>>81942687
>Is Narvin timelordkino?
of course
>>81942687
>Could the robots experiencing grief of their own lead to a better ending?
probably

how many magic haddocks would you rate this episode

>>81942846
6/10.

>>81942846
0,001/10

>>81942808
Narvin has the most excellent story arc and best development out of all the Time Lords.

>>81942789
That's an adorable picture of Ten anon. I found that picture off Pixiv somewhere.

>>81942808
>The Doctor should've sat them down and said "Hey, this is grief and death. This is what you've been doing to the humans" and make remorseful for their actions, instead of just sonicing their memories away
Actually, better yet, Bill should've been the one to do that. The Doctor should've explained that he was about to wipe all of their memories, so she can (rightfully) be horrified by this and scold him for it (seriously, what is 12's deal with forcibly wiping sentient peoples' memories?) and push him aside and save the day by educating the robots.

Would've had some parallels with Beast Below's ending, which was the second episode of a season too.

>>81942879
>Narvin has the most excellent story arc and best development out of all the Time Lords
Oh well I have that to look forward to then. He's just from the audios, right? Or is he a carry-over from the novels too, like Brax?

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>tfw S10 isn't leaving any inbetween episodes for Briggs Finish to insert mediocre stories into

>>81942687
>Thread theme
No, that's enough.

>Are humans as "programmed" as robots?
Depends on the robots. (Also on the culture the humans grew up in—think of North Korea, which attempts to replace whatever genetic programming we have with much stronger cultural programming, and seems to be a lot more effective at it than I'd have liked to believe is possible.)

>Just how sentient are the emojibots?
4.13

>What constitutes a two/three-parter?
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:164173

>Could Class' ratings in the USA see BBCA co-producing a second series?
Sure.

>Is Narvin timelordkino?
He's a great character.

>Could the robots experiencing grief of their own lead to a better ending?
Yeah, but even the idea they had could have been done as a better ending. FCB clearly has a problem with fitting endings onto his episodes, and Moffat should have been working with him harder on it.

>Pic related
Question marks. Before JNT.

>>81942846

I didn't like it, but I like hardly any episode of this show. Why am I watching this?

>>81942855
On second thought, more like a 5/10. Still better than ItFotN, I guess.

>>81942937

>The Doctor should've explained that he was about to wipe all of their memories, so she can (rightfully) be horrified by this and scold him for it

I feel ashamed for not noticing this when watching the episode.

>>81942826
>replying to the same post over and over again
Are you retarded?

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>>81942940
any GAPS, fuck

>tfw try to insult Briggs Finish but come off looking just careless

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>>81942946
could be a form of masochism desu

>>81942967
You mean not noticing that it's a shitty thing to do?

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>>81942945
>No, that's enough.

m8 its whovian kino, check out dat remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSd2hJLn2g

>>81942940
Capaldi specifically talked about how they're having stories with no gaps, so that the ones that do have gaps will leave you wondering what adventures happened during that gap.

And as soon you're wondering that, Nick Briggs has an offer for you.

>>81943021
Yeah desu I took his statement more as saying having episodes that interconnected makes it more clear that ones without that connection could have gaps between them

Link for anyone who hasn't heard what we're talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8O2sIh0yq8

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>>81942937
Narvin is audio only (but he does resemble Nivet a lot.) Just to be absolutely clear, Narvin starts out as a dick but receives some frankly astounding characterisation.

Braxiatel is carried over from the novels. Now Brax's timeline and characterisation is quite good but his characterisation is arguably the best in the Bernice Summerfield audios rather than the Gallifrey audios and the reasons are spoilers. His timeline is incredibly complicated and he is an incredibly complex character.

so what's this "oath" the Doctor made, and does have something to do with Clara/Missy/Simmaster?

>>81943071
its gallifrey
chibnall asked moffat to bring it back

>>81943071
*does it

fuck I need sleep

>>81943021
In fact, he specifically says they could have "a whole spinoff" in the gaps.

Capaldi is working on his pitch for a spinoff where the brainwashed Twelfth Doctor runs off between episodes 7 and 8 to team up with the Chumbleys and take over the universe, and only Ian Chesterton can stop him.

>>81942937
Would've had some parallels with Beast Below's ending
That's what I though it was building up to the moment Bill ran into the kid. I was really disappointed when he went for the deus ex AGAIN.

>>81943002

I don't know whether it's a shitty thing to do. But it makes the Doctor look like a raging hypocrite when the episode otherwise frames him as being in the right.

That's it - I'm deleting the Wikia!

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>>81943148
don't delete that's my job

>>81943090
Well, Simmaster is presumably on Gallifrey. Probably in Rassilon's sex dungeon, and now that the Doctor kicked Rassilon off the planet…

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>>81943160
I am the Cyberleader. I am the one who says "Excellent". You will not delete until I tell you to delete. Remain on the bench until deletion is needed.

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>>81943209
>this happened
It never sits right

>>81943110
Is Edge Lord around to draw this?

Actually, can we get Capaldi to draw it?

Actually, can we get Nick Briggs to get someone good to cowrite it with Capaldi and make a box set?

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>>81943279
>when you realize the Cyberleader's exposed brain looks like a shriveled scrotum

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>>81943343

>>81943060
Even though I've barely experienced Brax, I really like him for some reason. I've been interested by him before I ever read or heard anything with him in it. I'm eventually going to get into the Benny book and audios, and he's one of the reasons why.

>>81943302
What did you want specifically?

I have two other /who/ art requests currently in the queue.

>>81943377
>I have two other /who/ art requests currently in the queue.

Which ones?

>>81943392

>"Would you mind drawing Nardole please? Maybe with him watching over 12?"

>"moffat, hinchcliffe and john wiles out drinking together as best buddies? seeing as they are the holy trinity of doctor who showrunners"

>>81943377
I guess just evil-looking Twelve with Chumbleys, and elderly-but-still-kick-arse Ian standing heroically in front of them?

>>81942945
>http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:164173
Is this the one where someone sarcastically suggests that everything from Stolen Earth to End of Time is an 8-parter, and people start seriously arguing about that, or is that in the other thread about the same thing?

I'm surprised that the same guy who wrote In the Forest of the Hight wrote this episode. The forest episode was fucking abysmal, easily one of the dullest episodes in the history of Doctor Who episodes, while this was almost GOAT, except the ending ruined everything.

>>81943361
I was fascinated by Braxiatel too and he was the reason I entered the Expanded Universe.

For the books the two must reads with Braxiatel are Family Man and Dead Mice.

But I think that the audios come first with Brax. Some of the arguably best Big Finish audios of all time come from his appearances in Bernice Summerfield.

>>81943425
Sure, Anon. I've added it to the queue.

>>81943129
I think forcibly wiping the memories of an entire race is pretty shitty. He was very casual and happy about it, when if they were really set on that ending it should've been more of a "I have to do this terrible thing because if I don't these robots will commit genocide" atmosphere to it

>"Really makes u think" emoji on the Doctor's back
Really makes u think

>>81943361
The funny thing is that he started off as a crap idea, but some of the Virgin writers just got obsessed with how to turn a crap idea for a character into a great character, and they managed to succeed.

Watching Colorful Horse Show's latest episode, with the better half, and Doctor Hooves makes a cameo as he does occasionally. Felt the need to report that.
Hope you're having a good night /who/! <3

>>81943466

>I'm surprised that the same guy who wrote In the Forest of the Hight wrote this episode.

Really? So that's another addition to the DW shit writer pile, alongside Harness, Gatiss, Chibnall, Moffat, Whithouse, Davis and pretty much every recurring writer I guess.

>>81943649
So, why are you watching the show? Some kind of court order?

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>>81943648

>>81943677

I'm too committed. I'll never have this kind of relationship again.

>>81943473
Well I'm going to read all of the books eventually anyway, so I'm sure I'll come across Brax. Not sure if I'm going to commit to the entire Benny range too, I might pick and choose there.

The only Brax stories I've inforsorbed so far are Empires of Glass and the first Gallifrey audio.

>>81943851
I mostly just picked and chose the audios with Brax in 'em.

>>81943851
He was Benny's boss in the half of Bernice Summerfield audios.

>>81943648
Cloister, are you on Discord?

I hate I FUCKING hate I FUCKING HATE Simmaster

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>>81943965

>>81943960
he's on the /who/ discord yeah

>>81943984
Snyder-DCuck-tier

>>81943851
The Virgin Benny novels are mostly good.

The BF Benny novels are more hit and miss, and they start off more like tie-ins for the audios than their own thing. But some of the short-story anthologies are great.

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>>81944030

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>>81942723
>be gay
Yessir.

(Would /who/ want to watch me fill their art requests via stream while I put on Big Finish audio plays in the background?)

>>81943648
What did you think about the fact there was a whole fucking Doctor Who episode tho, where he wears the Fourth Doctor's scarf, hugs Rose, says Allons-y, etc

>>81943987
>fucking secret trip discord

>>81944058
>(Would /who/ want to watch me fill their art requests via stream while I put on Big Finish audio plays in the background?)

Yes!

>>81944058
yas

>>81944058
no fucking attention whore.

delete your trip

>>81943605
What's the crap idea? That he's the Doctor's brother? Because, to be honest, that's what attracted me to the character in the first place.

Although, I don't really know the history of how Brax came about. I know in Empires of Glass they never explicitly state the relation between him and the Doctor, they just heavily imply they're family.

>>81944114
t. Nilso

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>>81944099
>>81944085

Anything specific?

>>81944195
Anything besides WarDoc

>>81944195
Either and Eight or a Ten. Your choice.

>>81944225
This

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>>81944267
>>81944238
>>81944225

Give me like five minutes, I'll put on Time Reaver

>>81944119
Yeah, the Doctor's brother is one of those things that sounds cool, and then you think about what it would do to the mythology of the show and realise there's no way they could pull it off well…Except that, as it turns out, they did.

(Also, the reason Gary Russell invented him is that he thought we desperately needed an explanation of what the "Braxiatel Collection" that Romana mentioned in one line in CIty of Death was.)

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>>81944343
Nice, to Calibris we go

>>81944365
casualwhostream?

>>81944398
casualcuckstream

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>it's a calibris episode

>>81944345
>and then you think about what it would do to the mythology of the show and realise there's no way they could pull it off well…
I don't know about that. I think it's an idea that sounds interesting but has the potential to just be really generic, relying too much on "hey it's his brother, isn't this neat?". But I suppose there was also the risk of it ruining some mystery of the Doctor's pre-Unearthly Child life too.

I haven't heard/read enough Brax yet to really comment on how he plays off the Doctor, but I like to think in terms of Sherlock. If the Master is the Doctor's Moriarty, the idea of Brax being the Doctor's Mycroft is very attractive to me. The older, more sensible, smarter brother.

>>81944489
>I haven't heard/read enough Brax yet to really comment on how he plays off the Doctor, but I like to think in terms of Sherlock. If the Master is the Doctor's Moriarty, the idea of Brax being the Doctor's Mycroft is very attractive to me. The older, more sensible, smarter brother.

You sweet summer child.
I want to protect anon's smile.

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>>81943987
>>81943960
I only visited the one time I think, and I don't think I saved the link
>>81944058
I thought it was a hoot. The VA kinda sucked iirc.

Coveranon, are you still here?

Is the stream currently on?

>>81944398
>>81944428
>>81944624
No, those sites only stream content already posted online, I'm going to be streaming it live:

http://original.livestream.com/edgelord?t=789970

>>81944583
>Th-There is no /who/ discord server, they were just trying to DM you

Eh, they were alright, they did say they were doing a homage to Tennant tho which is nice

Cover Anon, I wrote your request fic! Where are you?

>>81944518
Don't worry, I won't be disappointed when it doesn't match my baseless assumptions. I'm sure whatever the relationship is like it'll be much more interesting, I look forward to having my assumptions crushed

Finally caught up on the first two episodes.
First of all
Does anyone else wish the actress playing Heather was the companion this season instead?
And secondly
The doctor was in the fucking wrong at the end of Smile, what the fuck man

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>>81944735
right here senpai

>>81944750
>Does anyone else wish the actress playing Heather was the companion this season instead?
Yeah, loads of other racists keep dropping in to say this.

Smile was COMFYKINO.

>>81941759
>the guy just shooting a robot should have solved everything
No.

>>81942937
This would actually have been a better ending.

>>81944769
fuck off racist trash

>>81944764
I'm not racist
Bill is mediocre so far.

>>81944759
Here's your request fic, Coveranon: https://pastebin.com/yKzKwMhi

>>81944769
And here's yours, wanderer: https://pastebin.com/24ipAFVa

https://transfer.sh/kceb2/sai2x64_patcher.exe
This is the SAI 2 patcher from CGPersia
You put it in the SAI 2 beta folder off https://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/devdept.html and it will put a license in your folder.

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WHERE IS SHE?

>>81944808
What's this for?

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>>81944818

>>81944818
But in answer to your question, drawfags.

>>81944808
Kek, thank you Anon but you could have put this in stream :^)

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>>81944807
thanks m8, very relaxing stuff

>>81944853
Not sure what URLs livestream filters out. Most of the artists I've seen use Picarto or have moved to Twitch too.

I actually use CSP a lot now instead of SAI for lining.

>>81944876
Was it what you were looking for?

>>81944769
Wanderer, you got this >>81944807 , right?

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>>81944912
indeed my dude

>>81944971
Any other requests?

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>>81944807
>>81944912
kek, thanks m8.

>>81944995
go complain about black people enjoying scifi some more

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>>81944990
not tonight I think, I don't think my brain is fired up enough to come up with any on the spot

thanks for the offer though

>>81944990
Clara and Heather rubbing their tits together

>>81944995
Tell me how you liked it.

>>81944790
>Bill is mediocre so far.
And Heather's interesting? She had barely any lines and most of them were delivered in monotone.

>>81945022
That's not a fic idea.

>>81945023
It's got good bants. There're some nice details, like how 5 reverts to being properly young like he's supposed to be when David crosses over into the Whoniverse. I like how the explanation for how an overly fanwanky story overpowers reality is itself kind of fanwanky, employing The Mind Robber's Land of Fiction. I especially like the Master's bit about whether "fictional" is different from "not real." And the whole last scene is GOAT.

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Rose looks like just like Bill

>>81945306
remember when you insisted your spazzing out over being rightfully called a racist was 'good bantz' too? you got pretty triggered.

>>81945172
It is. You're just bad.

>>81945321
HOLY SHIT

>>81945321
>the beginning of the episode where 12 asks whether Bill wants to go to the past or the future for her first proper trip is nicked from The End of the World
>when the colonist guy wakes up and asks what's going on, 12 says it's the end of the world
really makes you think.

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/who/ art prompt fill for Anon that wanted Nardole and 12

still streaming Big Finish and art on the LS

>write a book that's unconnected to Doctor Who, possibly not even sci-fi
>find an ex-DW writer desperate enough to license elements of their episode to you
>shoehorn these elements in, and claim that you're totally a DW spinoff because it's set on Iceworld or Soldit's the villain or something
>secure a place on the TARDIS Data Core, resulting in money and-or bitches

Good plan y/y

>>81945625
The first step is a good plan, at least.

>>81945542
Moffat is deliberately referencing episode #2 from multiple previous series. Also Nefertiti from Dinosaurs on a Spaceship, and I think there was something from Beast Below.

I wonder if he's going to keep that up all season. That might get a bit weird when he gets to episode #12 from previous series, when that was usually the first half of a two parter.

>>81945625
Yes, that would meet TDC's canon rules.

Plus, you can show up on their panopticon and argue that, as a professional writer of canon Doctor Who, you can speak to the author's intent of other canon Doctor Who.

where's Phil's Smile revie REEEEE

Official skull-eye emoji when

So after listening to Time Reaver, does being shot with the Time Reavers mean that Ten really did live for 700+ years in that regeneration? Does it count? He was certainly conscious for that long.

>>81946114
>Does it count?
No because Big Finish is not canon

>>81946265

Doctor Who doesn't have a canon.

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>>81946347

>>81946347
Psst, wanna buy a canon? I can hook you up.

>>81946114
I wouldn't count it because there was nothing he could really do in those years. He couldn't have done "SO MUCH MORE" in the years while shot with a Time Reaver.

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>>81946347
Yeah it does and this is how it goes:
1. Big Finish is NOT canon

>>81946383
>>81946371
>>81946265

http://www.paulcornell.com/2007/02/canonicity-in-doctor-who/

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>Mfw Eight single handedly canonized all of Big Finish

Canon is a fan-based idea that exists in a unique way within Doctor Who fandom. In theory, it means a body of work that an established body of literature that can draw upon[1], but it is more commonly thought as what a fan considers what forms part of the Doctor Who universe, or what "really happened". This is often a personal choice, one which is endlessly discussed and argued about in just about every Doctor Who-related forum or message board that has existed on the internet. Unlike the Star Trek and Star Wars universes, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has never made a pronouncement about what is or is not canon for Doctor Who.

>>81946265

Yeah, well I say it is.

Suck it up.

>>81946439
No it only canonized the fact that there are characters with the names he said
Any similarities with Big Finish are mere coincidence

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>>81946409
>paulcornell.com
>canon

>>81946442
Wait, Paul, when did the British Broadcasting Corporation make a pronouncement about what is or is not canon for Star Trek and Star Wars?

Anyway, ultimately, the point isn't that there is no canon so much as why would anyone want a canon, and what do they think they're getting out of it? (Well, except for someone who owns the copyright and wants to control the market.)

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>>81946493
>Stretching this much

>>81946493
Doctor Who has no canon. Canon is derived from authority, and the authority (the BBC) has not decreed a canon.

>>81946493

This is getting pathetic now.

>>81946468
Yeah, welI fucked your mum.

Suck it up.

>>81946518
>Wait, Paul, when did the British Broadcasting Corporation make a pronouncement about what is or is not canon for Star Trek and Star Wars?

Are you trolling or is your reading comprehension genuinely this awful? I'm rather fascinated.

BIG FINISH IS NOT CANON GET OVER IT NEWFAGS

>>81946549
We humans have this thing called a joke.

PS, Paul Cornell is not on this imageboard.

>>81946518
>Wait, Paul, when did the British Broadcasting Corporation make a pronouncement about what is or is not canon for Star Trek and Star Wars?

wtf the companies that own those IPs handled their canon, the point is the BBC intentionally doesnt for doctor who

reminder that doctor who constantly contradicts its own <<<canon>>>, and as a show about time travel, that makes perfect sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiilhbk3sj8

>>81946526
>>81946539
I don't care about canon but that's literally how it works for people who only consider the show to be canon.

Why was the Doctor aghast at the human killing an emojibot when he did the same thing a few minutes before?

>>81946581
There is no canon. There is no "show is the only canon". People come up with this idea themselves because that's how most other shows work, but there literally has never been a canon for Doctor Who.

>>81946574

What is canon then?

>>81946580
>who knows
>you didn't hear it from me
holy shit? this is a very weird reaction if he's not involved.

>>81946539
>>81946493

It's getting to "everything in Doctor Who is a hologram" level of fan theory.

>>81946620
Nothing. Notice the people REEEing about "Big Finish not being canon" ignore the actual sources posted in the threads.

>>81946620
The Canon is an ancient Time Lord, who sits in a special office in the Citadel deciding what records do and don't get to go into the Matrix.

>>81946613
Okay. Thanks for telling me.

>>81946650
It isn't tho

>>81946666
It isn't, and neither is Classic Who, New Who, nor any of the books or comics - because there is no Doctor Who canon.

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>>81946666
Quads confirm

>>81946716
>replying to yourself to congratulate quads

pretty pathetic. you know everyone can see post times right?

>>81946580
>>81946623
Also, this is what happens when you just post urls with no image and no comment at all, anon. Nobody notices. I don't understand why people do this so often, even when it's something genuinely interesting. It's like you want it to start a discussion but won't put in the minimal effort to get it noticed.

>>81946689
Except for the first series of The Adventure Games. The producers explicitly said they were canon.

>>81946744
all the /who/ regulars have already discussed the clip anyway so just posting the link again won't restart much conversation unless anon provides a new point or something

>>81946758

And there we have it.

OFFICIAL DOCTOR WHO CANON LIST:
The Adventure Games

NOT CANON:
Everything else including the TV show

I propose that we move this general to /v/.

>>81946758
No, they said they take place in part of an overall canon, that doesn't exist. Obviously a misunderstanding, unless you want to consider the Adventure Games literally the only canon Doctor Who.

>>81946623
He's a poor and confused old man

>>81946580
First, recognition of the mention of Dr Who. He's ready to answer her question. He quickly remembers that he's not supposed to disclose the info. 'How could I forget?' He thinks to himself. But he's unsure. Maybe there was a press release without his knowledge. While these thoughts are processing, all he can muster up is a tragically unconvincing "W-well, who knows???" He immediately realises the gravity of fuckitude he'd just put on display. Damage control mode now. 'You didn't hear it from me, all I'm saying!' That'll do, he thinks to himself. 'What's she saying about a Christmas special? I don't know, I'm fucked. Feign ignorance. Pretend to be senile. Laugh nervously. Fuck.'

>>81946790
>taking a joke this seriously

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>It's a "lets pointlessly a non-existent 'canon'" episode

>>81946860
>"lets pointlessly a non-existent 'canon'"
>it's a fake cloister forgets to complete the sentence episode

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>>81946880
Looks like I was as careless with my wording as the producers of the Adventure Games!

>>81946785
Exactly. If you really care about an authoritative list of canon, that's the answer.

Which should make people examine why they think they want an authoritative list of canon in the first place.

>>81946790
No, that's not even remotely what they said.

Piers Wenger, announcing the Games:
>There aren't 13 episodes this year. There are 17, four of which are interactive. Everything you see and experience within the game is part of the Doctor Who universe.

It doesn't take place in the Doctor Who universe, they are part of the universe. That means they are in-continuity, canon events. (He's also explicitly calling them episodes of S5, but because nobody's ever declared S5 canon, that doesn't add anything.)

Phil Ford, when asked whether this meant the games, were canon:
>Absolutely.

>>81946817
lmao, I wrote this last night. should i be flattered

>>81946900
>No, that's not even remotely what they said.

Except it literally is.

"Players will encounter new and original monsters, in stories which form part of the overall Doctor Who canon"

That overall canon doesn't exist.

Not sure why you're trying to argue this point as we agree on the essential point anyway, that

>Which should make people examine why they think they want an authoritative list of canon in the first place.

>>81946758
But why do the producers of S5 of NuWho get to declare canon?

The FASA RPG had a list of all of the stories in the canon: every episode of S1-22, Pescatons, and of course the upcoming FASA sourcebooks.

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>we all watch a show about an illegal alien who kidnaps british people and takes them on joyrides in his stolen vehicle

>>81946900
>Phil Ford, when asked whether this meant the games, were canon:

because everything is canon. thats the point.

Enough arguing about canon. Let's talk about ratings.

Smile got 4.25m.

NONE OF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

"Canon" makes sense in a religious context, it is a fucking hilariously deformed, insane, pointless concept when applied to entertainment fiction.

None of Doctor Who ever happened. None of it is canon.

Doctor Who is fucking shit and I say this as a true fan

>>81947003
/thread

>>81946983
canon and ratings are both meaningless. the former always. the latter in this day and age.

>>81946983
Smile it's not canon

WHERE THE FUCK IS PHIL SANDIFER'S REVIEW OF SMILE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>81947042

>>81947052
source on the paedophile defending?

>>81947063

https://twitter.com/PhilSandifer/status/638797925355753473/

https://twitter.com/PhilSandifer/status/638797750625243136

>>81947110
That's disturbing, any further context?

>>81947143

Starts with this video accusing a transgender person of being a paedo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKOSvo3AJM

Phil rushes to it's defense and says that maybe being a peado isn't all bad after all, if it's a person that's part of his ideology of course.

So is every episode going to end with a mind wipe now? Ever since Clara that's the doctors go to thing now? Good episode until the ending tho. Writers need to try just a little harder. Capaldi deserves better.

>>81942937
>>81942967
>>81943129
>>81943511
especially when the episode just before this one he got scolded for trying it.

>>81946651
The Towers of Canonicity and Likelihood
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Towers_of_Canonicity_and_Likelihood

>>81947199
Disgusting. I like Sandifer's reviews but this is just absolutely terrible.

Was the episode any good?

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This is why ratings are down. This is why kids don't give a shit about Doctor Who. Too many pedo looking weirdos in their mid to late 20s acting like autism in public. The whole perception of what the show is, and who it's for is on the absolute shitheap.

>there is no canon in Doctor Who.

what? the show hasa bible that explains what each character is, what the timeline is all the way from the 60's even.

there is canon on the show. humans leaving earth is a canon point of the show as is other things from the show. everything other than the show can be canon if the writers feel like including it. some things get fudge here and there to make thing fit but there is a canon, its just loose.

>>81947431
yeah, except the ending was rushed.

>>81947484
canon comes from authority, the authority (BBC) eschews the idea of canon for doctor who.

you're mixing up canon with continuity.

>>81947484
Canon involves things being above each other - the TV show "happened more" than the audios, it takes precedence over events.

>everything other than the show can be canon if the writers feel like including it

The point is that it doesn't matter what the writers do because there is no godly authority declaring "this happened more than this other thing". The TV show isn't more "real" than the audios. Neither exist in reality, and the BBC doesn't consider either more "legitimate" than the other, because neither happened, and fictional canon is a dumb concept that reduces scope of storytelling.

>>81947484

I highly encourage you to actually read Paul Cornell's essay - http://www.paulcornell.com/2007/02/canonicity-in-doctor-who/

Also, just in literal terms, the only canon Doctor Who is the Adventure Games. The BBC have never declared anything else to be canon, and the whole concept of canon comes from the IP holders declaring what is and isn't canon.

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BACK ONCE AGAIN IT‘S THE RENEGADE CHRISTEL
FUNGIRL PSYCHOPATH LICKING ALL THE PUSSY‘S

BACK ONCE AGAIN IT‘S THE RENEGADE CHRISTEL
PSYCHO FUNGIRL WITH THE ILL BEHAVIOUR

>>81947630
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqpzv6v5KBM

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"The Doctor's nemesis, a returning villain" is such an awkward lyric

>>81947514
ah maybe you're right.

>>81947564
>the BBC doesn't consider either more "legitimate" than the other
>>81947588
>concept of canon comes from the IP holders declaring what is and isn't canon.
still, I like canon. an authority keeping a universe together so all series fit together is a great idea to me.


thanks for the clarification though.

>>81946983
>Smile got 4.25m.
Is that good?

>>81947763
is it canon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvAenK95PfQ

Does AinleyMaster's dialogue - "No, my dear Doctor, you must die! Die, Doctor! Die, Doctor! *laughs*" actually creep /who/ out? Something about it still unnerves me. One of the most tense regenerations, for sure.

>>81947052
>>81947110
>>81947143
There was also a tumblr post where somebody was venting about this new trend of defending "non-offending" pedophiles, and she listed a bunch of adults in her life that were predatory towards her

And Phil reblogged it with something like "Ummm, those aren't non-offending pedophiles"

I'm probably not explaining it very well but it shocked me when I first saw it. Like this was somebody talking about their own family members hitting on them and making them uncomfortable when they were a child and Phil's priority is to tell them that they're wrong

>>81946817
Shows how good he is at playing Hartnell, he's really nailed the dementia.

>>81947829
It's sickening. I've had to deal with similar stuff and it is just horrible how people leap to bizarre defences like that. I really did use to like his reviews.

>>81947884
Yeah I've read most of the eruditorum and enjoyed his opinions in the past but I've come to realise that he's a despicable person. That instance in particular really stood out to me.

Mostly the fact that he was directly responding to a victim of pedophilia. It wasn't even just sharing his shitty opinion about pedos, he was responding to someone who was venting. And he didn't even elaborate. It was just a single condescending sentence.

Very weird

Where can I download the first two episodes in decent quality?

>>81947794
Nothing can top Colin falling off his exercise bike for me. Chills.

>>81947998
Yeah it's not even just having a shitty opinion, it's being directly shitty to someone else.

Do you still read any of his stuff?

>>81948018
reddit.com/r/megalinks

>>81948040
Can't use Mega at the moment, apparently I'm at my transfer cap or some Jewish goyim bullshekle

>>81948040
>Do you still read any of his stuff?
I still read his reviews. Maybe I should stop

>>81948089
If you use the program MegaDownloader, you can get around Mega's limits. You paste the link into it.

Megalinks is good but if you can torrent, Rarbg always gets the ep quick. There's this /who/ torrent guide too https://docs.google.com/document/d/107k4dkqOM_G_4p6eZR90y8Nla1NEiKgB1qMkMmv8Yz0/edit

wake up /who/

I'm really excited to see Knock Knock. Trying not to get overhyped, but the way they've been talking about it makes it seem like something special, though we don't really know why yet.

>>81948161
t. Nilso

Here's my S10 rankings so far everybody:
>Smile
>The Pilot

I'll update you again in a week.

>>81948797
i wish marcelo would come back to deliver us some tasty black and white kino desu

>>81948890
Oh hey Nilso, didn't see you in the stream earlier (:

>>81948797
Plus it's got Poirot in it

>>81948797
>Knock Knock
Am I the only one that doesn't know all the episode details? I know it's been posted here before but I never remember any, not even the names.

Could someone post the episode list again please

>>81948955
http://www.radiotimes.com/doctor-who-episode-guide

>>81948955
>>81949014
Wrong link sorry. Here's the right one http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-15/doctor-who-series-10-steven-moffats-episode-guide

so did anon post his dick?

>>81949131
you mean his little nilso junior?

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>>81949149
if this anon was nilso

What year was Smile set in?
>all of humanity had to evacuate earth due to war
>slavery/indigenous settler metaphor (rendered stupid by the fact that humans made those robots)
fucking cottrell-boyce

>>81949167
EVERYTHING WILL BE KINO MARK MY WORDS

IF IT DOESN'T I WILL POST MY DICK

t. Nilso

>>81949189
Same time as The Beast Below and The Ark in Space, more or less.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-22/did-you-spot-this-subtle-doctor-who-callback-to-an-earlier-episode

>>81949189
>slavery/indigenous settler metaphor
Which only came in about 5 minutes towards the end, I have no idea what this writer was thinking.

>>81949228
>that'll show that racist nigel!

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Bill slave ship episode when?

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>>81949250

>>81949250
>lot more black people here than in the movies
RACISTS BTFO
HISTORICAL REVISIONISM FTW

>>81949250
>someone spent time making this

dumb /pol/poster

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>it's a Wanderer posts racist crap without his trip thread

>>81949131
If he didn't post it because of The Pilot, why would he post it because of a better episode?

Unfortunately we must wait longer. Hopefully gatiss won't disappoint, and will write something truly terrible.

>>81949300
>trip
>calling anyone dumb

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>>81949300
o hai cats

here's a wip of your prompt, finishing it now

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>>81949250
ﾠ

>>81949307
That's Wanderer!

>>81949357
drawingkino!

What did gareth think of Smile's political messaged shoved in at the end?

>>81949405
>I really enjoyed Dr Who though, until the last ten minutes really. And again it bounces and is full of joy, not cruel and stupid.

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who was in the right here?

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scottish independence counts as a jab

>>81949469
well we all know gareth is right, but I don't know this matt person's politics

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is anon going to upload whovians again after it finishes airing?

>>81949676
It hasn't finished airing yet.

>>81949688
>after it finishes airing?

>>81949706
Oops, my bad :S

So is the plot of The Pilot that Bill is a lesbian with a feeder fetish?

>>81949766
>So is the plot of The Pilot that Bill is a lesbian
it's a relevant part of the plot at least
>with a feeder fetish?
not so relevant to the plot

What a terrible fucking ending to that episode.

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>tfw 17015 days until the 100th

Fun fact: 17015 days ago Richard Nixon requested 1000 new FBI agents for college campuses

>>81949834
not terrible enough for anon to post his dick :^(

Daily Reminder
>The Pilot: Kino
>Smile: Horseshit.

>>81949851
fucking tricky dick

>>81949943
Daily Reminder
>The Pilot : Horseshit
>Smile : Horseshit
>Moffat era : Horseshit
>NuWho : Horseshit
>/who/ ; Shitpost

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http://www.strawpoll.me/12807719/
http://www.strawpoll.me/12807719/
http://www.strawpoll.me/12807719/

Smile was genuinely good until it shat the bed in the last 10 minutes

>>81949984
planet mondas: your online location

>>81950017
This.

>>81950017
Smile was genuinely good until it shat the bed in the first 10 minutes

>Your move, Big Finish
Rove continuing to shock me with how much he actually knows.

When I first saw Whovians advertised I assumed he was just leeching off the show's popularity, a casual fan at most

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8agYk3Jv4c
>Just what every city needs, Cats in charge
what did he mean by this?

>>81949991
I thought it was better than The Pilot but I'm voting no so I can see that 6.5 inch specimen

Whovians episode is up on iview now
will anon deliver?

please deliver, whovians anon.

>>81950131
are you still in not-australia or have you come back?

I'm still here!

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(I got super distracted, cats. Sorry lel)

Watching Invasion of the Dinosaurs right now
>"The tyrannosaurus-Rex is the largest and deadliest predator of all time!"
uh... source?

>>81950017
This
I downloaded that torrent which cut off the last 4 minutes, the video ended just as the Doctor's speech about the magic haddock ended and I wish I had just left it.

>>81950017
Smile was genuinely good when it was called The Happiness Patrol (Just kidding, Happiness Patrol was not good either)

>>81950160
I know he probably means on Earth but he really should've specified

>>81950150
still in the united kingdom unfortunately. i should be back before the end of the year though.

>>81950191
Why are you even over there?

fuck on cats

>>81950159
THE HOLY TRINITY

thanks so much

>>81950191
where are you from cats

>>81950197
still living with my parents, who moved for work

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>ywn watch episode 2 of Whovians in casualwhostream

>>81950234
>it's a "parents move countries during their kid's final years of school, too early for established friendships to be long lasting and too late to make deep friendships with the new classmates" episode
I'm glad I don't know that feel, shit must suck

>>81950224
sydney, australia.

fuck off trips

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ANON
WHERE ARE YOU ANON
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ROVE THOUGHT OF SMILE

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>>81950268
feels bad man

>>81950274
There's a surprising amount of Ausanons here

I'm one of them

>>81950290
If he doesn't do it within an hour, I'll try to rip it

>>81950274
ok
i didnt know you were young desu

>>81950297
what in particular about this cyberman inspired you to name him after kanye west's 2010 magnum opus

>>81950105
>>81950131
>>81950290
I wasn't going to do it this week because one of the guests is trans and I didn't want to have to read mean posts about that but considering how much demand there is I guess I'll just have to trust /who/ to be nice. I'll download it now

There's an exclusive interview with Dollard next week. Because she's Australian, she probably watched Rove when she was younger too. Should be interesting to see.

What if Daniel Radcliffe is the next doctor?

>>81950350
its face looks all messed up, kinda reminds me of the cover artwork

>>81950441
based whovians anon

>>81950441
one of our trips are trans and people are fine with him
have a little faith, anon. Even if there's a few off posts they're only as powerful as you let them be (aka don't reply)

Wait when did pcaps say "bollocks"? I don't remember that

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa1FWHJPgt8

>>81950470
>What if Daniel Radcliffe is the next doctor?

Why didn't "The Doctor" just fly his blue box away from the dullest franchise in the history of British science fiction franchises? Seriously each series following the renegade timelord and his rotating cast of spunky young women as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make science unscientific, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Moffatt vetoed the idea of Capaldi directing the series; he made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for Sherlock. The Doctor Who series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Star Trek series in its refusal of thought-provoking dialogue, scientific principles and moral quandary. No one wants to face that fact. Soon, thankfully, they will no longer have to.

>a-at least the classic series were good though r-right
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the show was terrible. As I watched, I noticed that every time the lead character should have died, the writers insisted instead that the character "regenerated."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that trope was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope at least a dozen times. I was incredulous. Doctor Who is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that it has no other style of plot. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Doctor Who by the same Moffatt. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are watching Doctor Who at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to watch Graham Norton." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you watch "Doctor Who" you are, in fact, trained to watch Graham Norton.

>>81950574
for any anons that reply in good faith - this is a modified version of an old copypasta for harry potter, modified from a quote from harold bloom

>intergalactic deal or no deal
kek

Did the latest episode remind anyone else of Dwarf Fortress?

inb4 it's revealed that bill is related to martha

>>81950574
>but it’s certainly the anti-Star Trek series in its refusal of thought-provoking dialogue, scientific principles and moral quandary.
Well Smile proved that point.

Whovians Episode 2

https://mega.nz/#F!9GB3CYrI!XQ0sYoyySM6waCFYdfUTLA

Get it while it's hot

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>>81950666
based anon

>>81950666
We gonna stream it now or later?

Still can't believe Rove namedropped Big Finish. It was in response to something someone said so I'm certain it was impromptu, and not something another writer told him to say

New, Whovians-themed, thread when?

>>81950839
I'll do it

>>81950865
I take that back, posting a new thread from my IP range is blocked :c

>>81950989
>>81950989
>>81950989
generic new bread

I hope copy-anon's okay

>>81950666
OBTAINED.

>FIRST CLIP FROM THIN ICE
FIRST CLIP FROM THIN ICE
>FIRST CLIP FROM THIN ICE
FIRST CLIP FROM THIN ICE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEp4v5_JEcY

>>81942940
Didn't you post this last night?

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>>81951850
>posting the same thing more than once

Are you here?

>>81952044
no
Smile finally killed /who/

Oh copy-anon...come out, come out and play...