/who/ - Doctor Who General

Do you think she looks tired?

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>I forgot to link the last thread again
>>81922220

So in The Fan Show, Capaldi says that by the end of the season, his hair will be so big that it threatens the universe.

Moffat's last finale, leaked.

Based Marcelo Camargo.

Holy shit that was bad, and I thought ep 1 sucked. Plus next ep is looking to be significantly worse than either of those. Guess I'll wait for next season.

Skimmed the catalog and I'm surprised I didn't see any random threads by boardies crying over Bill's line in the trailer.

>>81932837
t. sarah dollard

You know what?
I liked Doctor Who when Doctor was less alien and more human-y. Peter is just VERY alien. You can feel how is actually a Time Lord.

>>81932837
We have.

>>81932998
I preferred Smith to Tennant purely because Smith acted more alien. If I'm watching a sci fi show about an alien I don't want to be stuck watching some mildly eccentric bloke dealing with bullshit human drama, we have enough of that shit on tv.

>>81933103
What dystopian horror film is this picture from?

>>81933103
I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with Doctor Who?

>>81933145
The 10 o'clock news probably.

My country makes me depressed sometimes.

>>81933103
They're robots you bleeding vagina.

>>81933138
Also, it's not like this is the late 70s/early 80s and the Doctor is traveling with another Time Lord or a collection of alien orphans, so if we can't identify with him we're just frozen out of the story.

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>>81933174
Did you not watched tonight's episode? Whole episode was about how an alien race took over and made the planet theirs, whilst killing the humans, and if the Humans didn't accept this and pay the Jizya they too would be killed.

>dude I'm going to leave you with machines that can potentially kill you lmao don't worry though youll be fine, probably
The ending ruined the episode, I knew it was too good to be true.

>>81933145
London 2017

>>81933297
Maybe you should watch it again.

There's no alien race, there's robots. Built by humans. Who didn't take over a human planet and make it theirs, they were sent there, by the humans, to prepare the fields and then become the city.

>>81933297
>>81933351
At least we have next week's ''The racist white male is the villain not the giant monster'' episode to look forward to :))

>>81932998
Weird, I feel the exact same way. That's one of the reasons I wasn't a big fan of Tennant.
There are thousands of shows about humans, what would be the point of making a show about an alien if he was just going to act like another human

>>81933145
Rotherstan I guess

>it's another victorian era episode

Lads...

>>81933398
I loved this episode's "you have 2 food cubes because the future is sexist, there's clearly no possible alternative explanation!" already. Can't wait for next week!

>>81933429
b-but it's regency! it's really d-different!

>>81933429
I know, right? Another one?! God the last one was only er...er...3 years ago?

>>81933460
Come on, lad. That was clearly just a joke.

>>81933460
Yay! Series 10 is so awesome!

I love how they're being more progressive.

Hopefully this means we might get a black or female doctor after capaldi! Maybe even both!!

>>81933391
This
The first thing that should happen is whoever built and programmed the robots gets put the fuck on trial for gross negligence.

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>>81933391
Yeah, the lifeforms who the Humans shipped in to increase the economy turned on them, killed their families, and now if the humans resist them they too shall be killed. Bravo BBC.

>>81933429
>Regency England
>Victorian

>>81933498
Yeah, but you only know that because you actually listened to the next line, instead of getting so triggered you had to go online and bitch about it like the anons you're replying to. It's not fair to expect people like them to actually watch the show before commenting on it. If they don't find things to triggered about, they have nothing else in their lives.

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Sorry to bother you people, but where could somebody with no access to TV watch the new episode without p2p? I live at university so I can't pirate.

>>81933536
Well, we eventually found out that the murderous Festival of Ghana haunted house robots from The Chase led to a trial, in a novel 30 years after it aired. Maybe they'll fill in that gap for us again. :)

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>>81933351
>>81933391
It would've been better if they were aliens, but now it's the millionth muh Robo Rights shit in sci-fi now. For the last freaking time, robots are not people, the whole point of them is supposed to be that they're NOT PEOPLE. Say what you like about Zygon ISIS but at least they weren't fucking robots. Like we really needed this episode now, as if the metal bitch from Agents of HYDRA wasn't enough.

>>81933581
>put "humour" that isn't funny in a non comedy show
>people complain
>woah haha ur just a triggered POLack xDxD
Livestream yourself killing yourself.

>>81933630
>look up which it book
>it's Interference
Good old Larry.

>>81933429
That's the usual routine. 2nd episode of most seasons is in the future, while the subsequent one is in the past.

>>81933398
What happens? Only heard 'so this is victoria england? There's a lot more BLACKED than tha crackas show in the films'.

>>81933644
>the whole point of them is supposed to be that they're NOT PEOPLE
The whole point of robots in fiction—going back to the story that invented the word "robot"—is screwing up and making them people and then having to deal with the consequences in one way or another.

Nobody's ever really found another kind of story to tell about robots, except for using them as bad guys in place of humans in kiddie cartoons so it's OK to kill them with katanas.

>>81933663
>"humour" that isn't funny in a non comedy show
why would that be cause for complaint?
If it's not funny, then surely it's perfect for a non comedy.

>>81933493
In the last 3 Series we've had 4 episodes set in London in the 1800's, it would be nice to see them go somewhere else.

>>81933663
>b-b-b-but I'm not triggered, I'm just screaming in caps and acting like an idiot for perfectly rational reasons!

>>81933737
We don't actually have any confirmation of what happens, /who/'s white male contingent has just cooked up some persecution fantasies well in advance of this children's programme airing.

>>81933663
>being this triggered about a lame joke

>>81933561
Well, they can't go to Victorian England anymore now that Clara is Queen there.

>>81933768
>>81933802
>>81933837
If I watch a comedy I expect some good jokes and some that I don't find funny, if I watch doctor who I don't expect to have to endure it.

>>81933561
There's only like 20 years between the two eras

Why is damn near every episode set in one of four places?

- Generic alien world.
- Generic space station/ship.
- Victorian England
- Modern day England

>>81933854
why not?
it's not like the Doctor will recognize her

>>81933893
Budget/Lack of imagination from writers

>>81933817
>>81933837
>>81933802
>>81933581
>>81933222
>>81932837
>lefty/pol/ THIS triggered
Can't you go back to >>>/r/doctorwho?

>>81933498
No it wasn't. It was very explicitly not a joke.

I thought the whole 'indigenous life form' angle seemed a bit undercooked since they were just really fucking dumb computers. In fact the episode basically screamed "I had no fucking idea how to end this one, I'll just slap something awkward and random down and that'll have to do even though it doesn't meaningfully exist in dialogue with what's come before".

>>81933887
Yeah, but nobody ever sets anything in 1837. Victorian-era stories are always about Victorian adventurers written by Edwardian pulp writers, not about the actual Victorian era. Except when they're about Dickens, but either way, it's the 1890s.

>>81933909
>it's not like the Doctor will recognize her
Good point.

And really, Philip ought to be more of a problem, and he's spending a lot of time in the 2010s…

>>81933969
This isn't your containment board. Why don't you go back there?

>>81934026
Why, you're the one that's triggered.

>>81933893
because mo' fat, less ideas.

>>81933893
We've had numerous episodes in the last few years that don't fit any of these categories.

>>81933880
>I don't want any levity in my family oriented prime-time television show

>>81934026
Please feed me more of your delicious tears.

>>81933893
Yeah we get far too much England, but those first two are a bit vague.
Depending on your definition of "generic" that could mean almost any off-Earth story

>>81934082
>levity
>HAHA LONDON SURE IS A LOT BLACK HAHA
>WOAH THEY GAVE YOU TWO?! SEXISM MUCH #ENDTHECUBEGAP
You know the only actual funny thing? You don't even find these quips funny, you just support them being out in because politically you agree with them.

WE

WUZ

QUANGS

>>81934163
No you're right, I don't think those are funny
I'm not defending the content of the "jokes", only their presence.
I just think it's weird of you to not expect any jokes in a show like Doctor Who, whether or not they're funny or you agree with them politically

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>>81934325
Did someone say Red Kangs?

>these robots murdered your families and will literally destroy you without hesitation if they think it's a good idea
>but you'r every bad humans for not wanting to be friends with them and it serves you right for building tools to accomplish complex tasks ¦:^)


I actually was really liking this episode up until about the point where the boy appeared

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>>81934146
I think at this point it would be weird to stop doing so much England. It would look like the current Doctor is avoiding it for some reason. (Although that actually could be an interesting plot to try out…)

Also, Moffat has given us a lot more variety in the time periods than RTD, and than many eras of the classic series, but it would be nice to see more parts of the UK than just London, a Home Counties village, and Welsh countryside.

>>81934437
It certainly serves them right for fucking it up so badly desu.
You're stretching so hard to try and expose the moral failings of this episode, painting the robots as murderous psychopaths when they were literally just trying to follow a programmed imperative.

>>81934437
Humans can destroy each other without hesitation. if the robots aren't treated like slaves they wouldn't be likely to kill. And also their software could be updated if that's possible.

>>81934525
>if the robots aren't treated like slaves they wouldn't be likely to kill

They weren't sentient, they killed because whoever programmed them fucked up not because they were having some revolution against being used as slave labour.

>>81934363
I don't agree with them solely because they were put in because of our current political climate. "It's a lot more black than the films", for example, is a prime example.

It's pandering. Pandering to a certain audience of socially progressive 20 something (wo)manchildren who think if everyone just smoked weed and shoved dildos up their arses that the world would live in harmony.

This used to be a serious science fiction show with serious concepts, genocide, cyber technocracy, now it just plays for cheap laughs from this generation's useful idiots.

>>81934590
I mean if they aren't assigned a single, simple continuous task like slaves they wont get to an extreme point for doing that task.

>>81934727
>This used to be a serious science fiction show

Let's not go too far m8

>>81934727
Or it reflects the writer's own political outlook. Not necessarily better.

>>81933679
I actually couldn't remember for sure if it was Larry or Lance. But yeah, it was fun.

It's kind of sad that none of the current writers, even for BF, seem to care about lampshading it when their new stories overlap in time with "way in the future" early-era stories.

I was happy for the Movellans, but seeing Salamander's name on a newspaper, that would be even geekier for us, and even less noticeable to the plebs and it's probably not going to happen.

>>81934509
>painting the robots as murderous psychopaths when they were literally just trying to follow a programmed imperative.

I don't consider them psychopaths, I consider them sociopaths. Sure, they didn't kill dozens of people because they were angry, or because they wanted to, but they did kill dozens of people simply because it was a solution to a problem, is that really any better? The fact that they were programmed that way doesn't change anything, if anything the fact that it was a simple mistake in the rudimentary programming of mindless robots should have led the Doctor to just return them to their original state and fix the mistake. That's what he does.

>>81934525
>Humans can destroy each other without hesitation.

Technically yes, but in society we take those people and we put them away in either A) specialised institutions where they can hopefully be rehabilitated and where, more importantly, society is safe from them or B) prison. We don't just say "That's how they are, they have no qualms whatsoever killing people because they have no conception of the sanctity of human life, deal with it you bigots". We haven't gone quite that mad yet.

>>81934773
>implying
What do you think the Cybermen are, laddo? Hell, what was this episode? At it's heart it's supposed to be dark, raise huge moral questions, make you question what is, or whether there can be a correct answer, if your people were to die out due to not being ruthlessly efficient would you remove your emotions in order to be able to kill your own with impunity to pick off the weak?

This show was never meant to be le quirky contemporary references. You're exploring an alien ship, interesting, you get served a strange blue cube of what's supposedly food, interesting, you remark how le patriarchy is keeping you down, fucking bullshit. Fuck off with it and fuck anyone defending this to virtue signall.

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>>81933608
But like for actually though can anybody help me out?

>>81934525
>if the robots aren't treated like slaves

Robot literally means slave.

>>81934890
primewire ag/tv-5134-Doctor-Who/season-10-episode-2

The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People did this exact story a thousand times better desu phams

>>81934887
It's a harmless one liner from the most marketable progressive companion the show's seen. We're lucky they have the sense not to dial it up to eleven.

>>81934887
I'm not defending the patriarchy bollocks but you're kidding yourself if you think DW was ever a 'souper serious' TV show outside of the very early Hartnell era. Just because a show talks about serious moral dilemmas doesn't mean the show doesn't do silly shit at the same time.

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>>81934999
It's systemic virtue signalling and it has no place in muh alien police box show.

>>81934479
I was wondering what the fuck they meant by this scene, now I understand. Jesus christ.

Aside from the odd "fuck trump and fuck white people" style comment I'm liking Bill more than I thought I would. I guess it's too late now but it would have been great if someone had gotten in touch with Moffat and told him it's actually a lot more effective to have a 'diverse' character and just let them be a well-written and interesting character instead of forcing them to be a mouthpiece for whatever is the current hot topic issue in the radical progressive's world of progress.

>>81934929
Thanks dude, appreciate it

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>>81935116
As a /pol/ack this series has been better than ever, it makes me think the Jews planned it so that the series with a white cast where shit and the series with a diverse cast was good.

>>81934953
...what?

That story isn't even remotely similar to this episode.

>>81935198
>technology gone wrong
>technology became alive
>we must tolerate them and let them be free

Yea, totally different.

Wanderer, are you here. I wrote your request fic.

were there midgets in those robots or small children

>>81935266
Wow, that's just broad and vague enough to describe literally half of all science fiction ever!

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>We'll never hear I Am The Doctor again

>>81935308
Name 3 (three) episodes of Doctor Who that follow this type of episode.

>>81935332
Duwn duwn duwn duwn duwn da dewn duwn

Hmm. I'd rather they went to the past..

>>81935283
I was kind of wondering why they made a big deal of calling out that "there were people in those robots" in the Fan Show but then didn't even show us a photo of one of them hanging out with the helmet off or something.

If it were Confidential, we'd have 20 minutes of interviews with them no matter how boring they were, which would be going too far, but this is too far in the opposite direction.

>>81935332
In 2023, when 15, 12, and 10 are running somewhere and 11 gets a brief cameo.

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>>81935409
>"Your slave girl is very well dressed, sir, what an intricate oddity. I commend you on your whimsical overlordship."

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>>81935332
>We will be saying the same for A Good Man? a year from now

I don't want Capaldi to leave

>>81935502
Except that we can hear I Am the Doctor until we get sick of it, but there is no S9 soundtrack to listen to…

>>81935502
The new theme will be a good black transexual omnikin.

>>81935449
Matt will have OD'd on cocaine by then

Damn, second episode and she's already broken

Honestly it was 5-6/10 episode.
It was cute, but resolution is awful, it needed a lot more time to develop people and crew.
It just felt blend and lacking some atmosphere.

>>81935695
Who is?

>>81935615
It's not like they're going to pay anyone but 10 and one other Doctor to come back anyway; everyone else will be represented by an old clip.

And they've probably got a few hundred alternate takes of him yelling "Geronimo!" with "I Am the Doctor" playing that they can use for him.

>>81935754
Bill

>>81935750
I liked it until it stopped being le spooky mental robot ghost town and started being le live along side each other in harmony you stupid goyim.

>>81935198

>create a system to do things humans can't do
>the system develops in unexpected ways that brings it into conflict with humanity
>things come to a head with violence
>the Doctor brokers a peace between the system and the humans, making humanity recognise the system as a conscious entity and making the system realise that it doesn't need to resort to killing

it's the same, my friend

>>81935864
>making the system realise that it doesn't need to resort to killing
When did he do that? The second one of those niggers dies it's anuddah shoah.

>>81935502
>A Good Man
What is that

>>81935892

He stripped out the programming, didn't he? So the vardies don't have the compulsion to make humans happy any more.

What did everyone think of Capaldi's headcanon from the Fan Show about the Doctor almost making a mistake and killing all the colonists?

Time Lords can see the past and present and all the different possibilities, but the Doctor consciously avoids not looking, because life is no fun otherwise.

So whenever it looks like the Doctor almost made a mistake, it's not luck, it's his subconscious.

>>81935920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmmRHh6O5o

>>81935920
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTQmTsDAJJw&t=0m41s

>let's talk about rent

Listen that's a fucking human-claimed planet you're standing on, the presence of the vardies was to be under specific conditions i.e. create a habitat for humans, if they're not going to fulfill their end of the bargain they can fuck off to space or wherever but the ground they're sitting on belongs to mankind

>>81935936
Nope, just reset it.

>>81935936
Hush, these people aren't looking to discuss what actually happened in the episode, they're looking to find ways to willfully misinterpret it so they can find things to bitch about.

>>81936004
t. rob mccoy

>vardies programmed to make humans happy
>doctor removes this from their memory
>this makes them sentient

What did he mean by this?

>>81936009
WHITE POWER

>>81936054
>anything other than liberal left-wing commie views is muh white power
back to gallifrey base

>>81936037
What?

>>81936048
Without directives, they will think their own thoughts.

>>81935994
That's pretty clever headcanon.

>>81936009
The colony is literally made of the Vardans. If they fuck off to space, the humans are living in an empty wilderness.

The Doctor even tells them they have the option to go sleep rough if they don't want to make a deal with the Vardans. The humans choose to make a deal.

That's called capitalism. Do you have a problem with it?

>>81936106
>Without directives, they will think their own thoughts.

That's not how machines work, if I wipe my calculators memory it will just break not start a conversation with me.

>>81936025

But the vardies at that point don't even know who the humans are, so they can't possibly be driven to please them. I think the reset applied to the vardies' entire learning process, at some point they'd been taught to makehumans happy and they don't have that now.

>>81936032

Fuck offerino with your passive aggressive self-aggrandising snark you fucking prick

>oh look at me, am I not a flower in the desert for being such a superior televisual viewer, these philistines can't possibly be expected to have opinions as objectively correct as mine

christ alive

>>81936070
I was meming, tbvqh laddo.
seriously though white power, >implying the future humans would let minorities on their noah's ark

....i liked the episode. Well so far at least the fucking torrent i used cut off the ending so i haven't seen end yet. But it seems pretty decent. Nothing terrible or great.

>>81936188
The ending is shit, just stop watching

>>81936165
if it was a learning ai that was fed an incentive to make humans happy, wiping it out may remove that incentive and revert to more independent way of thinking.

>>81936122

They have the ship. And I assume they have the capability onboard to manufacture vardies, it's not like they could carry a city's worth of mass across 20 light years.

>>81936201
But if I stop watching it and don't see the ending then i won't be able to hate the episode like everyone else in here. And it will remain at a good for me.

>>81936106
Yeah, it is pretty clever headcanon, but it seems to fit with McGann or maybe Troughton a lot better than with Capaldi's Doctor, or his fave, Hartnell.

Still, it's interesting enough that I now even more want Capaldi to co-write a collection of DW shorts with someone who can turn his ideas into finished stories.

>>81936265
Where did you see up to? Episode stopped being good when they got to the old woman on the bed.

So do people just hate this episode cause there was like one line that triggered their right leaning political beliefs? Other than the ending. Cause I thought up to the ending it was a good episode.

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>>81933429
>there will never be another comfy victorian episode as vampires of venice

>>81936329
You're a good episode.

>>81936329
>haha dumb polacks
Why don't you just try to expand your political views rather than being a useful idiot? I don't even care if you're communist, because atleast then you formed an opinion of your own accord, but I bet you're a fucking neo-liberal im with her smoke weed erryday faggot.

>>81936303
I got to right as the humans were waking up after the doctor exploded the place. Like after the guy shot the bot and the doctor did something and boom and then narration from doctor. Got cut off when guy was startled by robot when he was waking up.

>>81933145

The British Museum is filled with artefacts from non-white countries.

>>81936211
Learning AIs are not sentient, they mimic independent thought but do not have it themselves e.g. Cleverbot and other online chatbots.

>>81936235
I assumed the vardies are self-replicating. That's the standard post-90s sci-fi setup, after all.

But you're right, they didn't actually say either way.

Still, it apparently took quite some time to build the city. Where (and how) are they going to live until then?

Also, why should they be so resistant to negotiating a deal with someone who has something they want? Sure, any time someone has a car for sale, you have the option of saying, "Fuck you, I'm going to go build my own car", but that's not what most people do most of the time.

>>81936366
I'll have you know I'm a straight white male that doesn't smoke weed. And I don't care what your politics are. No need to get upset over a tv show.

>>81936411
Yes?

>>81936329

If you read the threads you'd see that there are many other reasons why people didn't like the episode.I'd list them, but a list already exists, here,in the form of this thread, and previous threads.

>>81933541

what
a
fucking
reach

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so just finished watching Smile

that was pretty fun, what did /who/ think?

was it better or worse than Cottrell-Boyce's last outing?

next week looks pretty spoopy, plus Fancy 12

>>81936472
It was better but that's not exactly hard

>>81933979

yes it was you tard. there were two food cubes because the doctor had two hearts.

I remember seeing a "hint" that said a bust of a former one-off companion would show up in this episode

was the bust Nefertiti or something because at first look I didn't recognize it

>>81936416
they don't now, they might in the future. there really isn't much distinction between ai and regular human intelligence unless you believe in divine elements, in which case good luck placing god in doctor who.

>the doctor will be a black woman in your lifetime
>leftist americans will defend this because niggers are 20% of their population, despite the fact they're less than 4% in Britain
Bravo.

>>81936472
Both of his episodes ultimately had the same problem: the ending let down the rest of the story.

But most of the interaction is between 12 and Bill, and that was great, while the last time… not so much. And the idea is more interesting, even if he wrote himself into a corner at the end. And it was visual kino. So, definitely better.

If Chibnall decides to use him, hopefully he'll figure out the need to work out the ending with him, over and over until he gets it right if needed, and then maybe we'll get a great episode out of him.

>>81936448
>Where (and how) are they going to live until then?

Most of them go back into cryo, a few stay awake to act as new shepards

>why should they be so resistant to negotiating a deal with someone who has something they want?

Because the agent in question butchered their friends and family, and all they have to indicate that it won't happen again is some mumblings from a mad-haired man who flew off in a blue box. Besides, imagine you get a contractor to build you a house, but at the end of the build he decides he doesn't want to be paid, he just wants to keep the house, but you can rent it from him if you want. Would that be cool with you? No one likes to live on someone else's terms, especially not entire races.

>>81933798

series 7 - 10
>The Snowmen (broadcast 5 years ago)
>Deep Breath (broadcast 3 years ago)

Crimson 'Orror's set in Yorkshire.

Also Doctor Who has an affinity for 19th century or early 20th century London, especially later in that era. It has done ever since Hinchcliffe and Holmes directly linked it stylistically to Gothic horror and early science fiction.

If the rebooted Emojibots are sentient, how will they cope with the fact that they murdered innocent people once the humans tell them what happened? The Doctor says he rebooted their memories, but nothing's stopping a grieving family member from attacking an Emojibot because their parents turned into fertilizer.

>bill
>william
>last name is probably hartnell

REGENCY ENGLAND
A BIT MORE BLACK THAN YOU SEE IN THE MOVIES

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>>81936564
>good luck placing god in doctor who
Whether the Guardians accidentally or intentionally created the universe, or just took it over immediately after creation by colonising it from the previous universe, they're the big cheeses.

God in Doctor Who is an impotent jerk who wears a bird as a hat.

>>81936598
>If Chibnall decides to use him
I don't really think we're gonna have an "all-new" writing squad based on whatever Gatiss is saying, I mean Moffat's debut only had two new
guest writers (Simon Nye and Richard Curtis) unless Chibnall's definitely planning on starting fresh and erasing all the producers/directors/writers of the Moffat era

>>81936654
it'll go stand in a corner and think for a while with a frowny face

>>81936666
It's Potts

>>81936666
are you talking about current companion Bill?
as in Bill "last name mentioned in her very first scene" Potts?

>>81936598
>Both of his episodes ultimately had the same problem: the ending let down the rest of the story.

In the Forest of the Night was let down by more than just the ending

>>81936654
how do we cope with the fact that our industrial process causes death and suffering to child slave-workers? how do we cope with the fact that most of our history is riddled with massacres and genocide? they'll just fap to weird porn and indulge in themselves.

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>mfw BBC America refuses to give us the Next Time trailer after the episode unless we watch Class

so

what's Gallifrey up to right now?

>>81936752
It's actually pretty clever, as a tactic.

>>81936748
There's a bit of a difference between knowing that lots of people killed each other in a war several years ago and finding out that you killed several people but had your memories of it wiped.

>>81936603
>all they have to indicate that it won't happen again is some mumblings from a mad-haired man who flew off in a blue box
Yes, this is part of the flaw of the ending. We know the Doctor is right, but how do they know?

But put that aside, accepting that it's a flaw. The rest works. (There are other flaws, like it being rushed and unsatisfying, but those aren't plot holes or anything.)

>Besides, imagine you get a contractor to build you a house, but at the end of the build he decides he doesn't want to be paid, he just wants to keep the house, but you can rent it from him if you want.
But they didn't hire the vardies as a contractor.

Imagine you bred a bunch of slaves to build a house, but at the end of the build they decide they don't want to be slaves.

And also, the house is literally their bodies.

More to the point, if you do all of your negotiation based on grudges rather than based on what will be most beneficial to you in the future, you're really bad at negotiation.

No, seriously. Why are we supposed to like Ram? He's not even hot.

>>81934495

To be fair Moffat has given us a companion from rural Gloucestershire (not a Home County btw) and one from Bristol, while everyone in Rusty's was from London (even though the man spends much of his time in Cardiff and Manchester).

Tbh I want an Irish companion.

>>81936806
there's lots of robots and only a skeleton crew, so most probably didn't commit murder. the ones that did might learn to live with it, not sure what their philosophical extent is.

>>81936752
>>81936803

Class already got cancelled, if it's a tactic it's too little, too late.

>>81936808

There's a world of difference between microscopic constructor robots and human beings. The vardies are not slaves. This is not a valid argument. Stop making it.

>>81936892
Class hasn't been cancelled. What's the proof of that?

If anything, the BBC is watching the BBCA ratings to determine cancellation.

>>81936822
He's pretty hot for a Paki. I wouldn't fuck him over the Prince or his boyfriend (both at the same time would be nice), but if I had to get laid and there were a lack of hot white guys I'd be all over Ram.

>>81936951
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-spin-class-axed-9906600

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>>81936978
>using The Mirror as evidence

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>>81936724
>>81936701
>ADOPTED
keep up chesterfield

>>81936978
>the Mirror

Oh, come on.

>>81937007
A Digimon pic!

>>81937007
>>81937039
Show me a renewal announcement, faggots.

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>"Would you like me to discuss rent?"
>CHA-CHING
that made me kek, I'll admit

>>81937105
There hasn't been a renewal announcement. But neither has there been a cancellation announcement.

The Mirror doesn't count.

>>81937179
I'm just going to hope you're more right than me, then, because I liked Class and was pissed at the cancel news. Fingers crossed the "tactic" works out and we get more.

So is every episode going to end with a mind wipe now? Ever since Clara that's the doctors go to thing now? Good episode until the ending tho. Writers need to try just a little harder. Capaldi deserves better.

>>81937257
I too, liked Class (writing a Class crossover with Faction Paradox).

Did you read the Class novels?

>>81937295
Haven't gotten around to the novels yet, but they're on my To Read list. Are they rubbish?

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>>81937257
>I liked Class

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>>81937373
Fuck off, normie. I've liked all the Doctor Who spinoffs.

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>>81937425
>Moffatt didn't even write the episode

Remember the time Cloister called Immigrant a fag for liking class?

can somebody gif 12 from this episode saying really high

>>81937425
the difference being daleks turning them into death machines and humans not being able to foresee the results of over-broad programming
and that's if we ignore the fact that daleks are a historical hero that became an integral part of doctor who, who therefore does not necessarily apply contemporary ethics when dealing with them.

>>81937425
But Moffat didn't write it...

>>81937337
They're pretty good. The Stone House, which focuses on Tanya, is the best written, and feels like an actual novel.

"What She Does Next" is pretty good as well, as an April focus, starting off as a riff on social media's effect on teens, and then transforms onto a deconstruction of something completely different, and goes dark.

"Joyride" is alright. It's not bad, but it's not as good as the others.

It does have Ram's body being used for sex, and drunk April calling Quill a bitch, so that's something.

>>81937522
That was probably a fake Cloister. I don't even remember that.

I don't know what the thread is about but I'd like to bring up an issue with the board lately. I'm finding it extremely hard to get (You)s, even after doing some clever shitposting. You people need to read posts instead of posting some stream of consciousness shit or some knee-jerk reaction.
I'm not kidding, you need to unfuck yourselves.
This is serious.

>>81937630
>>81937510
>headwriter isn't allowed to change scripts
>implying that ending didn't fucking reek of moffat

>>81937630
>Ram's body being used for sex
I won't complain.
>drunk April calling Quill a bitch
SOLD!

Thanks for the reviews.

>>81937660
>implying anyone would work for a headwriter that blatantly interferes to that extent
>muh Moffatt boogeyman

>>81937675
Forgot to specify

> "Ram's body being used for gay sex".

Which was hilarious, because I remember when the first cast pics for released for Class, and /who/ was trying to figure out who was the "gay one." So many /who/res thought Ram was going to be gay.

And, for "What She Does Next Will Astound You", I'll say that the biggest influence is probably Ender's Game.

Wanderer, here's your fic: https://pastebin.com/24ipAFVa

its like they know how creepy capaldi looks when he smiles so they wrote a whole episode just to make him smile as much as possible

>>81935999
I don't remember this song being in the show at all.
It's good, but I Think I Am The Doctor is better as an overall theme.

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>>81938172
>I don't remember this song being in the show at all.
bruv it's 12's main theme, it's played every time he does something heroic

how the hell have you not noticed it

>>81938922
It's actually easy not to notice. It's less bombastic, less immediately catchy then 11's theme.

>>81938986
I don't know, I think the staccato strings and blaring french horns are pretty recognizable and noticable

>>81938922
>capalX.png
oh so you're the samefagging little shit that likes to talk shit about other tripfags. should have known. you're all alike.

I haven't seen a Who episode go to shit in it's second half so fast since Kill the Moon.

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>>81939076
nah I just don't bother renaming files sometimes

>you're all alike
>CactusMan_ThatsRacist!.webm

>>81939164
fuck off. 4chan renames files with a hexadecimal number by default. your full of shit faggot

>>81939231
>4chan renames files with a hexadecimal number by default
do they? I haven't noticed

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>>81939340

>>81939340
see >>81937487 you lying piece of shit

>>81939231
>>81939406
you see that little "download" button by the filename

the filenames don't change when you download it using that

>>81939459
You've been caught samefagging, you admitted posting when underage, looking through your history, you really think we're so gullible?

>>81939608
>you really think we're so gullible
have you actually tried doing it or are you just making snap assumptions in order to get (You)s

>>81939852
Coveranon, do you have a fic request?

>>81939852
nigger, I'm not the one so desperate for (you)s that I have to talk to myself. take your kiddy ass back to club penguin

>>81936695
Yeah, I think Gatiss was overstating the "all new" thing. I mean, if Chibnall never used a single Moffat-era writer again, that would mean he couldn't use himself.

(Plus, Gatiss said he was just guessing because he hadn't talked to Chibnall yet.)

But I think it does at least mean we can't automatically assume Chibnall will use FCB again just because he's written for the last two series.

That's all I meant by saying "If Chibnall decides to use him".

>>81940034
>take your kiddy ass back to club penguin
Club Penguin is dead m8 ;_; have a little respect

>>81940014
hmm

I guess Bill discovering the Doctor's habit of meditating on top of the TARDIS and asking various questions about it (are you sitting on the lightbulb? how did you even get up there in the first place?)

>>81940034
love you too m8

>>81940083
sucks that neither Gaiman or Iannucci ever got to wrote for Capaldi though

>>81940124
*to write

fuck me I'm tired

>>81936849
Yeah, Moffat has given us more diversity in space within England as well as time. But that doesn't stop me from wanting even more.

Also, an Irish companion would be nice, but 13th Doctor Dylan Moran should probably have an English one for his first year.

Smile was better than The Pilot

>>81940165
>Dylan Moran
god I fucking WISH

though would there really be much of a personality difference? you're basically going from a humorously deadpan, sardonic Scottish Doctor to a humorously deadpan, sardonic Irish Doctor

Tom Rosenthal still seems like a good choice desu

>>81933979
>>81933460
>I loved this episode's "you have 2 food cubes because the future is sexist, there's clearly no possible alternative explanation!" already
They explicitly explained that because the Doctor had two hearts the robots interpreted him as being two people so gave him two servings. No idea how you could miss that line, it's not even subtle, they go on about it for ages.

>>81936898
The Doctor says they're sentient. If you don't want to accept what the episode says as a starting point to discuss it, why even discuss it at all?

The humans didn't know the vardies were going to become sentient. That makes the humans blameless; they're not responsible for slavery. That's why the Doctor helped them to negotiate a deal instead of telling them to fuck off.

And it's unfortunate, from the human point of view, that their mechanical tools turned into sentient beings that they now have to negotiate with. But that's the situation they're in now, and whining that it's not fair certainly isn't going to help them. There are now two sentient species on this planet, one of which owns a city, the other of which needs a city. Trade is the obvious way to handle it unless one species or the other are stupid.

>>81940248
oh you're the faggot that keeps pushing rosenthal too. it all makes sense.

>>81936329
These are just what /who/ threads are like so soon after an episode. In a few days, after most the boardies leave, we'll have people discuss it reasonably rather than dismiss entirely because some /pol logic means that it's propaganda or something.

It was just as good as The Pilot, if not better.

>>81940305
whatever helps you sleep at night m8

Does anyone else hate period episodes? Such a boring era, every episode in this time zone sucks. Why do they visit it so fucking much?

>>81940361
awfully defensive for an innocent aren't we

>>81940392
Right? They could go to ancient Japan or the old jungles of South America, but it's always 19th Century England. That's so fucking boring.

>>81940248
Yeah, you're right, this isn't the best time for Dylan Moran. I don't think he'd be really as identical as you're painting, but I do see why they're similar enough that it might prevent some viewers from accepting him, and, worse, that it might lead some writers to write 13 as 12, and that's enough reason to not hire him.

So, after the young or female or whatever 13th Doctor, he can be 14.

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>>81934495
>Also, Moffat has given us a lot more variety in the time periods than RTD
shitty graph for the rescue

>>81940392
The 1810s are really very different from the 1890s (especially since Doctor Who usually paints the 1890s based on the way people in the 1910s wrote about it).

They go to the 1890s all the time, going back to the Second Doctor. The only time I can remember them ever going anywhere near the 1810s was Mark of the Rani (and one scene in Torchwood, I think).

I'd still like more variety than we're getting, but ignoring the variety we do get it isn't going to help anything. They'll just say "Well, we tried something different from Victorian England and nobody even noticed, so let's just do another Edwardian icon as a child in Dickensland episode".

>>81933893
Why don't we get an ancient Japan set one. Something creepy with Samurais or something because that Samurai looking fucking horrifying in Deadly Assassin

>>81940539
dullest board

>a-at least /who/ is good

"No!"

a festival or whatever on Thames is actually a pretty interesting setting. and the idea of a monster underneath it is spookykino. I just hope it's a proper big monster

Ending was shit but the episode was fun

>>81940767
Yeah I hope its actually a monster thats bad but it'll most likely be another monster that is just alone and needs loving like always

>>81940539
desu if the rumors are true about David Bradley coming back as the First Doctor I seriously hope they do something like this for the titles in the finale/Christmas special

>>81940578
Now put Cartmel or Williams or Bryant on the graph.

Wait, no, Bryant actually had a lot of near-present stories if you're talking about near our present today rather than his present in 1968…

[YouTube] EXCLUSIVE Peter Capaldi & Brian Minchin Interview - The Aftershow - Doctor Who: The Fan Show (embed)
Capaldi:

>And also I like when one adventure is connected quite directly to the next one because then that suggests that when the next one is not connected, that there is a chunk of time in there in which anything could have happened, in which a spinoff series could have happened.

Big Finish when?

>>81940470
What about just revisiting medieval central Asia or pre-conquest central America?

I think going somewhere the Doctor went once, over 50 years ago, could be even cooler than somewhere he's never gone.

Series 1: Bad Wolf
Series 2: Torchwood
Series 10: Penguin With His Arse On Fire

>>81940889
so does this mean that Series 10 is essentially just gonna be made up of one long day in the TARDIS with no room for DWM/Titan comic/novel adventures?

>>81940920
the penguin and the gorilla

>>81940889
wew, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8O2sIh0yq8

>>81940931
I took it as him saying it makes it more clear that gaps can be used for spinoffs, so we will get gaps eventually. Tbh I prefer when the gaps are like midway through the series, adventures feel awkward when they're between early eps before the companion/dr relationship is settled.

>>81940918
Why does he never visit old America?

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>>81940920
Perfect, now all it's missing is Frobisher.

>>81940974
he sure cant with no-heather new companion

>>81940931
No, it means the opposite. It means the ones where the next one is not connected are just calling out for BF/DWM/Titan/NSA adventures.

They've already released three novels. I don't know when they're set, but it's two with just Bill and one with Bill and Nardole, so we know there's at least one early-season gap with just Bill and one with both.

Cotrell Boyce's two episodes have some of the strangest, wonkiest plotting I've seen on TV in recent years. There were so many directions they could have gone in with the ideas in Smile, but they didn't do any of them. Then the whole point was that 'robots are people too'? What? I mean, maybe that could have been okay if they actually elaborated on the concept, but instead The Doctor just comes across as a kind of over presumptuous weirdo for the entire episode. The same applies to ITFOTN. But hey, at least he's good at dialogue. Scenes of The Doctor and Bill wandering around were pretty good. 5/10

>>81940974
How old?

I mean, 1770s-1810s America, you're kind of forcing a British show to take a side in the three wars of that era, which may not be a great idea.

But Victorian-era America…that's another great example of something they did only one time, more than 50 years ago, so yeah, I'd love to see that again. (And maybe it can even be the musical episode again.)

Also, Capaldi saying "I'm happy, hope you're happy too" was my favourite part. That was totally his way of slipping in some Bowiekino into the episode, like he did with All the Young Dudes in TMA.

>>81940983
How do you know he's missing?

Last time they spent as much time talking about a piece of furniture in the TARDIS as they did talking about the chair this time was that comic where it was Frobisher in disguise.

And the DWSR crowd would never find out if Robert Jezek had been doing voiceover work in the studio.

Smile was a much better episode than In the Forest of the Night from a narrative perspective but it still contains a lot of Boyce's childish, asinine worldview, which was disappointing.

I feel like in a Classic serial the fact that the Vardies killed the initial skeleton crew would be treated as a very grave matter and would have a whole episode devoted to resolving it. But here the solution is "I forced them to forget about it, you should forget about it too", and the fact that it's something the humans are concerned about is treated almost humorously.

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>>81941020
>12 doesn't even get to appear in his final range of novels

>>81941131
>Twelve is actually Frobisher in disguise

They're really shoving the Bill/Rose parallels down our throats. So what's gonna happen at the end of the season?

>>81940768
Yeah, using the sonic to save the day was really cheap. It's weird because it felt like they were setting something else up.

The entire problem started when the first human died and the robots didn't understand death/mourning. And then when the first robot dies they start freaking out and the Doctor picks up on this, so I thought he was then going to use that instance to help them understand the concept of death and mourning so they can realise what they've done and stop doing it. But instead he just wipes their memories? Which doesn't solve the issue in the long-term at all and is a really shitty thing to do to a race that you just stated is sentient.

>>81941043
The dialogue ha some clunkers too. I'm not a huge fan of the "LOL THE DOCTOR WATCHES PORN" joke. Not only is it unoriginal but it's just really out of place.

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>>81941158
it would explain the run

>>81941172
Nardole & Bill

c o n v e r t e d

>>81941152
Ha, that would be pretty funny if the novels really were just Bill, not 12 and Bill.

>>81941158
Nah, too obvious. Children of Earth was a red herring, Moffat really wants us to pay attention to a comic strip from 30 years ago.

>>81941172
magical power saving the universe

>>81941091
>>81941043
Literally stick any other Doc into this and it would fall apart. Peter takes 0/10s and works magic.

>>81941172
She flies away with the humanoid TARDIS (sorry, pondgirl) or gets converted.

>>81940967
Capaldi and Moffat's respective interpretations of The Doctor's character couldn't be more disparate

magic haddock/10

>>81941172
I don't see the parallels

>>81941143
This is something that stops me from enjoying a lot of Star Trek stuff. Gene Roddenberry was a massive manchild who lived in his own weird fantasy world and projected a lot of the stupid shit he thought into his creation

>>81941225
Notice the sound signal upgrades they got in this episode? The Doctor is going to start worrying about what that opens up Bill to, and rig something up to filter the signals through the TARDIS. And then, when the TARDIS gets destroyed at the end of the 3-parter, Bill becomes a TARDIS, and the Doctor and Nardole spend the rest of the series traveling around inside her.

>>81941334
NO NOT THE RANDOMISER

>>81941334
This is more retarded than the Ashildr/Face of Boe theory.

I like it.

>>81941177
pls respond to my insightful post

>>81941398
deus ex sonic

this is just me being nitpicky here but I still really wish they'd fix the font inconsistencies in the title sequence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p186KLMX0Oc

Capaldi's credit is in bold
Mackie's credit is in medium
Lucas's credit is bold but the spacing is tighter

>>81941358
NOT THE MIND PROBE

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>tfw this was three years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ncxdJS-lI

>>81941222
so true, we must cherish what precious few Capal episodes we have left

>>81941280

For starters, the second Rose and Bill episodes involve them making a choice of traveling to the past or the future. Both choose the future. They both bring their phones, which proves to be a plot point in both episodes.

Also, their first episodes involve them nearly being killed by aliens who look exactly like their boyfriend/girlfriend, while discovering The Doctor in old photographs. There's more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

>>81941384
Lawrence Miles idea (executed by Paul Cornell), from the novels.

The rest of the arc is about President Romana trying to kidnap Compassion and rape her with semi-sentient "bull engines" to produce a new race of humanoid TARDISes for the upcoming war.

But there's a happy ending. She helps the Doctor blow up Gallifrey, erasing the war at the moment it started, and then gives him amnesia and a new TARDIS that will take 120 years to grow and dumps him and his friend on Earth, then kidnaps a TARDIS technician as her love slave and fucks off to explore the universe and eventually turn herself into an infinite city.

Hey, it'd be different from the companion finales we've had so far.

>>81941358
This guy got it.

>>81941412
th-thanks

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>>81941530
>ohh GRAPHICS WOOO
Leak/who/ didn't prepare me for that one

>>81941632
deus ex sonicus

>>81941177
In his defence, that exact same gag appeared in The Zygon Inversion, and possibly further back. It's definitely a Moffat line.

>>81941592
I like to pretend that Nivet is novelverse Narvin.

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I miss Mean 12

The episode should have ended with one of the robots dying, so then all the other robots feel grief and start destroying each other. Could have been VNA level dark. Alternatively, this could have developed into a happier ending. Anything would have been better than the warm diarrhea of an ending we got in the actual episode

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>>81941749
>ywn relive the hype this scene left you with
>the only other time deep breath 12 came out was smashing the tardis console in DoH

T-thanks moffat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqEShPWrJv8

GET THE MIDDLE EIGHT BACK

>>81941709
Oh yeah, I forgot that Narvin's backstory was that he was the technician who almost blew up the Minyans before the CIA recruited him.

I guess that works, but doesn't that mean that Gallifrey takes place a few centuries after TAC? If we're going to play alternate timelines/universes/whatever, it's more fun if all the time wars happen at the same time.

>>81941683
Oh yeah, I'm not assuming it was Frank's line. Moffat's had browser history/porn jokes as far back as Eleventh Hour, at least. It's just even worse when the joke is about the Doctor, and when it's as forced as it was.

>>81941849
Well there are Nine Gallifreys plus the Axis but I like to pretend that all the stories are happening in the one Gallifrey.

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>>81941849
>>81941891
"oh yeah" kino

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>mfw even with all the faults BBC America has, even if it tries to shill Class so hard they demand we watch it to get the next time trailer for Doctor Who, they still have that car commercial with the awesome Jake Bugg song

>>81941925
d e e p e s t l o r e

>>81936951

The BBC don't give a damn about American ratings. Come on now.

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>The Pilot leads into Smile which leads into Thin Ice
Is this effectively a stealth three-parter?

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>>81941925

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>>81941989
I like it

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>>81941925
I miss her bros

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>>81942006
And a cancerous bonus

>>81941973
Actually, they do. If Class gets high ratings, BBCA might co-produce.

>>81941973
Sure they are. International views = money, domestic views = nothing unless the government is a bunch of Blair-type neoliberals

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>>81942020
>>81942006
>two tears

>>81942044
Those particular faces are only useful for shitposting not as actual reaction images.

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>in this episode

>>81941989

No because the episodes have nothing to do with each other.

Rose and the End of the World want a two parters.

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>>81942006
>>81941989
>>81942020
>series 8: "let's reintroduce a two parter at the end
>series 9: "let's make a series of JUST two parters
>series 10: "let's make this series one big part"

holy fuck

>>81934509

The episode establishes these facts:

>the robots are alive, self-aware and have intent and feelings
>the robots didn't mean to kill people, they were just programmed to.

But they contradict. Either they're not alive, or they willingly killed the humans.

>>81942248
That confused the hell out of me. Boyce shat the bed with this, and it's still better than Forest.

>>81942248
Or...they had the capability to be sentient, but were mind controlled by the directives.

>>81942248
I think the implication was meant to be that they were in the very early stages of sentience, still not fully aware/independent.

Either way, the ending was stupid. Should've just used the death of the fellow robot to make them understand the concept of death/mourning.

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>No new thread

I'm ready...

>>81942248
We are all arguably programmed to do things, except not by intelligent design, but by semi-random evolutionary selection.

>yfw the next Doctor is Jim the Fish

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>>81942465
>yfw they finally show Jim the Fish and it's this guy from The Doctor's Daughter

shit boring episode
season 10 feels like season 2

>>81942323

>I think the implication was meant to be that they were in the very early stages of sentience, still not fully aware/independent.

I would have said this if it wasn't for the camp little joke about paying the robots rent at the end.

>>81942573
fuck I love the Hath they've gotta come back sometime

Can someone please make a new thread? I'd do it but I'm IP blocked :/

>>81942609
No, /who/ ends here
This is the last thread
And I'm the last of the /who/ lords

>>81942609
sure, I'll do it champ

>>81942666
>>81942666
>>81942666
NEW BREAD

>>81942576
Nonsense. Jo's departure was totally different from Barbara and Ian's, the Dalek story was a needlessly localised story with barely any Daleks in it rather than a crazy romp across space and time, and there weren't even any pseudohistoricals, much less actual ones.

>>81942676
oh never mind, looks like someone beat me too it and made a really generic OP with absolutely nothing to do with the recent episode or even S10

>>81942602
*burble burble*