/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>81174161
Happy holidays from your friends at /lbg/

been away for a couple of days, anything new?

>>81174225
Bill is gay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpfDP_AnFsM

>>81174225
Also John Smith did some little videos
https://twitter.com/DoctorWho_BBCA/status/848173116014510081
https://twitter.com/DoctorWho_BBCA/status/847459568661651456

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>>81174225
Some new pics as well

>>81174327
oy vey no pls
>>81174456
looks bretty good desu

>>81174456
Me and my mum crush on peter so hard, he's so hot, liked him since I was a little boy.

>>81174392
He doesn't have a tank, or a warship.

I mean, he did have a tank, but he left it in Middle Ages Essex, so now he doesn't.

Come to think of it, that probably wasn't very responsible. Didn't the Doctor used to stop other Time Lords like the Monk from doing that kind of shit, back in the classic era when the show was on EBC? Who knows how that changed history?

Just finished End of Time and it wasn't that terrible or even the worst RTD finale thing. It's self indulgent as fuck. Kind of a modern Planet of the Spiders. The Time Lord plot is interesting though. You actually have to play attention because lots of details aren't spoon fed through dialog. The cactus people and the blue skeleton are pretty shit but right on par with most else RTD did.

>>81175531

It is indulgent as fuck because RTD wrote it like he was going to end NuWho for good. Not the worst of RTD for sure but tonally it didn't make sense for him to write the finale like this.

>>81175621
It would have been no problem if he learned his lesson about being self absorbed like 3 instead of just regenerating without resolution. I've been watching chronologically from Hartnel so I have no idea how 11 is supposed to (or going to) follow that fucking regeneration which selfishly did not pass the torch at all.

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Fourteenth for Foon Foon for 14th.

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>>81176124
You've ruined my shitpost!>>81176130

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What went right?

Recently listened to a few audios, wondering what /who/s thoughts are.

24. Eye of the Scorpion
Surprisingly enjoyable, new companion seems interesting.

25. Colditz
Excellent story, one of my favourites, classic mastermind 7.

26. Primeval
Pretty good, interesting twist, sounds like foreshadowing of future stuff but then the next story is Spare Parts, so maybe not.

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>>81176339

>>81174161
>Where the fuck is the thread? edition
on >>>/mtv/

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>>81176339
Nothing clearly

>>81174225
Matt Whelan continuing his spiral into madness

Stop making new threads when there are previous new ones. It is unprofessional and lame.

Big announcement today. Not 13th Doctor related.

>>81177238
There wasn't one as far as I'm aware, feel free to post any proof you have otherwise

>>81177449
There was one, but it was on >>>/mtv/

>>81177464
That thread is actually still active and being posted in

>>81177472
Yeah, I have the tab open still. Although I neither /who/'s are really active right now.

>>81177266
Same time as usual?

Btw, sans civilisation occidentale, vous auriez pu avoir votre clitoris coupé en tant que petite fille, et est mort dans l'accouchement, mais bon.

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>Series 10 trailer

Looks like this will be an actual scene in the series

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>>81178437
>Time for heroes teaser

Clearly different.

Did anyone ever used to collect the Battles in Time cards? Found mine yesterday and feeling nostalgic.

>>81178588
I had a bunch. No idea where they are now though

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>>81178588
I collected Alien Armies, aren't BiT when they gave cards for every extra?

Orange was a colour.

The sky of Gallifrey was burnt orange at night. (TV: "A Desperate Venture")

Many species had orange skin, including Annarene, (PROSE: Relative Dementias) Galapogans, (COMIC: The Intergalactic Trials) Gonzies, (PROSE: Festival of Death) Sorbazarans (COMIC: The Mirror War) and the Tabbalac. (AUDIO: The Raincloud Man)

Scientist Daleks had orange casings. (TV: Victory of the Daleks)

>>81178588
I've got all mine in a big dusty TARDIS on my shelf and haven't opened it in years.

>>81178929
Err - were the scientist Daleks ever specifically referred to as "orange" in canon? Not valid enough for the TARDIS data core, I'm afraid.

>>81178895
>aren't BiT when they gave cards for every extra?

Yep, they made cards of "Refugee 1", "Refugee 2", etc from Utopia, as well as every human dalek from Daleks in Manhattan

Any moment now.
He's a comin'.

https://twitter.com/iFadyElsayed/status/848480454877605888

>>81179078
Holy shit really?

They're not filming the Christmas episode until after s10 ends. Think Bill won't make it.

https://twitter.com/HayleyNebauer/status/848263451764039681
How much you betting Doctor 13 will block him too?

>>81179891
June/July time? 13's probably been cast then

>>81174456
Not really feeling the blue lining on the new coat

>>81180019
Peter said his final scenes being filmed in July in a recent interview

>>81180086
There should be a 13th Doctor announcement soon then. Capaldi was announced in August then they filmed Smith's final story in September. So they may announce the new Doctor in the middle of series 10, or just after. Can't see them doing it before.

>>81180159
Some people think it'll be mid series if they take a break for eurovision.
I reckon they'll wait for the series to end.
Unless the rumor about the finale being the true regeneration is real

>>81179939
Hayley isnt on twitter

>>81179939
what did he tweet??

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Reminder

>>81180577
Hard to tell. He went on a rant yesterday and told people to kill themself and to get cancer.

>>81180586
I read this painful layout once already, never again.

>>81180654
Is this Indira Varma?

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>>81180586
>>81180827
pic related

>>81180833
No, it's Rakhee Thakrar

>>81180586
>Steel Skinned

A retarded fake. The cybermen haven't been made of steel since 2006.

'Rigor Mortis' would be the perfect title for a Cyberman episode.

https://twitter.com/spankybackpack/status/820083647755722752

>>81180964
>The cybermen haven't been made of steel since 2006.
Yeah, it's clearly plastic

>>81180833
No it's Rakhee Thakrar, a reminder that any rumours of doctor who actors are complete shit

>>81181343
interesting

What did she say?

https://twitter.com/lauzz1/status/848320768861761536

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Lol what

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Also kek

Has he changed his twitter username?

"Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!"

>>81181890
Kek those are some of the shittiest aviators I've ever seen. I bet those were like five quid. What an embarrassment.

>>81181952
Its now @Da_Whelan

https://twitter.com/Da_Whelan/status/848289577936846853

kek

Just listened to The Jago and Litefoot Revival Act One.

I've gotta say this is one of the best things that Big Finish have done in a long time and it's only a Short Trip.

That cliffhanger!

>>81181890
Also, you can see the reflection of his phone taking the picture in those lenses. Quality shooping opportunity

>>81179629
Yes.
They even had cards like "Doctor Who carrying suitcases"

>>81182074
How the fuck do these make money? Side characters from a single Tom Baker story. They must be the most interesting audio dramas of all time.

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>>81182162

>>81182182

Given that they have a spin-off which is like in it's tenth series now, someone must be buying them.

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Change, my dear. And it seems not a moment too soon

>>81182211
tenth? kek.

SERIES THIRTEEN OF THESE BAD BOYS
https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/jago-litefoot-series-13-1584

>>81182661
kek.

>>81182661
What's that conversation behind?

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Is there a season going on right now /tv/?

>>81183065
2 weeks

GOAT interview with RTD about everything he's written. https://twitter.com/GRALambo/status/848325022947176448

>>81183085
Nice
Just realized I missed the "The Return of Doctor Mysterio" episode
What a life

>>81183115
"I thought I'd do Doctor Who for one year and then move on." They really didn't bank on a Series 2 did they. No wonder Series 1 is so rounded and comes full circle.

>>81183115
Will he ever come back, lads?

>>81183115
DOCTOR WHO TALK AT 58:30

>>81183121
Watch it. Really good!

>>81178929
"was"?

what happened to it? did the cracks in time erase it as a concept?

>>81183278
TARDIS wiki always speaks in the past tense, as if they're book keepers at the end of the universe. Dunno why.

>>81183243
I hope not he was shit. All he did was steal other people's ideas.

>>81183504
>All he did was steal other people's ideas.
Literally all Dr Who writers do this
Even Steven Moffat, writing god.

>>81183527
No they don't.

>>81183560
Name 3 Doctor Who writers who haven't ripped something else off.

>>81183504
What did he steal?

Or do you mean 'homage'?

>>81183581
Anthony Coburn
David Whitaker
Malcolm Hulke

>>81183639
He stole half his major ideas from the 8th doctor comics and the rest from the NAs, EDAs and Big Finish.

>>81183684
Even if he did, only hardcore fans would know or care. The millions of Brits who tuned in wouldn't have a clue, nor would they give a shit. Doctor Who rips itself off practically every year in some way, shape or form.

>>81183728
>only hardcore fans would know or care.
That doesn't make it all right

RTD uses or borrows ideas from old Dr Who stuff
>STEALING!!!!

Moffat rewrites A Christmas Carol and other stuff, even keeping the titles
>HOMAGE!!!!

K.

>>81183761
All of the NAs, EDAs and Big Finish have probably reused concepts, stories, plots, ideas from other source material first too, you know.

>>81183788
You can fuck off now, 'anon'. We've read your snidey little script before. You're a bore.

>>81183833
Um, what the fuck are you on about?

Also, telling me to fuck off... don't you have a comeback? Nothing is original. Especially in Dr Who. RTD reused old ideas, big deal, so do most other DW writers m8

>>81183858
>you

>>81183858
Cheers,
Jon Blum

>>81183874
Literally no idea what you're on about now.

>>81183889
>you're

>>81183904
bored?

>>81183912
This post has given you out. Again.

>RTD STEALS IDEAS OMG UGH

All writers do.

>NO JUST RTD

No, all Dr Who writers.

>BUT HE STOLE FROM ALL DA WANKY 90S DR WHO STUFF

Which in turn ripped off all kinds of shit.

>FUCK U

K m8

>>81183932
grow up

>>81183943
>grow up
Don't have a seizure, mate.

kek at people who claim writers steal others' stuff. Makes it sound like RTD used to sit in his office, surrounded by all the EDAs, NAs, VNAs, Big Finish audios, comics, traw;ing through them deliberately to find ideas. Obviously it can't be the case that he may've read some of the stuff back in the 90s, having also written one of the novels, and thus subconsciously remembered bits of ideas from them whilst writing his own Dr Who scripts. No, no, that can't have happened. He literally sat there day after day working his way through the entire Doctor Who archive of material, stealing, copying, ripping it all off bit by bit.

kek

There's no such thing as originality. Someone on the other side of the world probably thought up the idea of the Weeping Angels long before Moffat, but didn't do anything because they lacked a platform. Everything rips off something else, every idea is unoriginal

Moffat has just been recycling The Curse of Fatal Death since he started writing Doctor Who proper. Also ""homaged"" various old films and literature. Literally stole the concept of Strax off Gareth Roberts. Ripped himself off for about 3 finales in a row. Wrote the exact same female character about 5 times. But no, WRITING GOD.

>>81184035
Exactly this. I'm almost certain someone somewhere will have written about "moving stone statues" long before Blink. As one example.

>>81184008
>>81184035
You sound like you're foaming at the mouth m8.

Are you ok?

>>81184085
One of those wasn't me, anon. And no, it's just called having an opinion.

These Moffat vs RTD debates are so 2010, and they are so Gallifrey Base-tier tedious.

We all know the GOATEST SHOWRUNNER OF ALL TIME IS CHINBALLS

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>>81184132

There is no debate.

Both are talentless hacks who ran out of ideas rapidly.

>>81184173

who /sunday who on W/ here

Army of Ghosts rn, comfy as

>>81181890
Is he trying to rebrand himself?

>tfw russell t davies is your uncle's partner
feels good man

>>81184217
Not rn but they were showing the S5 Silurian two parter earlier this week. Not as bad as I remembered

>>81184263
nothing bold or brand new, but comfy as fuck

thats how i expect most of chibber's era to be desu

The Doctor uses an Opal Blitzer to drain the Mortis Quartet's batteries after having powered down the ground, which the Doctor discovered was transmitting energy into their bodies, just like the Daleks.

Moffat's era is unique in that it feels like there have been about 5 different showrunners.

Series 5 is all very 'fairytale'.
Series 6 has a failed arc but tries to be something quite complex and timey wimey.
Series 7 is all about big concepts, "blockbuster" of the week.
Series 8 is a mishmash but with a bigger focus on morals and adult themes.
Series 9 continues the adult themes, is all two-parters, is much darker.
Series 10 looks set to be more focused on big bold fun adventures.

Whereas Series 2-4 are all pretty similar, in tone and direction and themes and format, for example.

>>81184355
Moffat continually trying to 'refresh' the whole thing. But does it come off as versatile and experimental, or messy with a showrunner who doesn't have a focus or vision for the show? You decide!

"Job done. Never let me talking for too long." He says, returning to the TARDIS with Clara and the caliph's son.

So why did Moffat randomly have Rory and Amy almost get divorced at the beginning of Series 7? Came out of nowhere and added nothing to the plot.

>>81184411
He loved putting his characters through hell, and loved twists for the hell of twists.

The whole of Series 7A should've had them seperated, slowly buy surely rebuilding their marriage before both of them ending up back together in Manhattan.

>>81184411
>So why did Moffat randomly have Rory and Amy almost get divorced at the beginning of Series 7? Came out of nowhere and added nothing to the plot.

So why did Moffat randomly have Clara become a teacher for the 50th? Came out of nowhere and added nothing to the plot.

So why did Moffat randomly have Clara become a totally different personality in Series 8? Came out of nowhere.

So why did Moffat randomly have River become Amy and Rory's child? Came out of nowhere and added essentially nothing to the plot.

BECAUSE REASONS

City of Death

Fucking GOAT

Written in a single weekend

How did they do it?

>>81184554
Three brilliant and creative men. Funny men, too.

And 4's GOATest team, K9 and Romana II (though K9's not really a part of it this time.)

And just the Doctor himself. He's brilliant. It's soooo comfy.

>>81184554

Lemmy wrote We Are The Road Crew in about ten minutes in the toilet before a gig

IIRC the full reveal of episode titles is usually in the Radio Times with teasery brief descriptions written by Moffat. If so....a week wednesday!

>>81184554
They didn't. There already was a script. They just changed it.

>>81184554
I wrote and completed The Caretaker in a single Sunday.

>>81184709
That's why it was so shit.

>>81184709
Surprised it wasn't quicker. What a pile of garbage.

>>81184709

I didn't write Love & Monsters, we just rocked up with a bucket of cocaine and started making shit up

>>81184755
Gareth REKT

>>81184355
i miss the fairytale

>>81184355
I don't think he really knew what he was doing with 8 and 9. He definitely improvised most of 9.

10, though, will be refined. I can feel it.

>>81184929
S10 already feels like it has a fresh focus. Much better promo and marketing too.

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This series is going to suck hard

Partner is Crime is literal 10/10

And I mean it
It's fun
Performance from both David and Catherine is amazing
It's really entertaining

>>81185100
For me, series 3 and 4 are 10/10.

To any contrarians who seem to get their rocks off on hating David: your words are wasted on me. He's fun, his stories are good, and he's always comfy. I'm not going to be a child and call myself an RTD Chad or whatever, but I love him.

>>81185022
>from Outsourced

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>>81185161
>tfw rtd chad
feels good. you should join us.

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This thread, I will remind them.

Moffat really missed a trick...

A Christmas Carol
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
The Snowmen
The Time of the Doctor
>not naming it Twelfth Night
Last Christmas
The Husbands of River Song
>not naming it It's a Wonderful Wife
The Return of the Doctor Mysterio
>not naming it Fairytale of New York

>>81185229
I want to have sex with her.

Man, Turn Left is some major kino

I love Vincent and the Doctor

fuck haters

>>81185283
You would probably have a seizure if you went near her, 'Mark'.

>>81185322
No it's not. Who saved London and Shakespeare from the witches? The world from the Pyroviles?

>>81185439
Who gives a fuck

If you can't fill some gaps yourself, what's the point in watching any of this show

>>81185439
Do you think there are no more Doctor's friends throughout time we dont know about yet? Do you really think so?

>>81185439
Perhaps the Doctor's actions were necessary to bring about their events. You save the world once, you inadvertently bring about the next threat to the world. You don't, then you don't.

>>81185458
>>81185476
>>81185592
So the Doctor not being able to see Amy and Rory again after Series 7 is okay too? Good. You're using your brain just like Moffat said :^)

>>81185654
da fuq

>>81185654
RTD CHADS BTFO

>>81185654
Yea it is

The final shot of Capaldi's Doctor will be a close up of his eyes - the same as his Day of the Doctor scene - as they change into another pair of eyes.

Screenshot this

What is the best Christmas episode of nuWho?

For me it's The Snowmen.

>>81185654
timey ¦:¬) wimey ¦:¬)

>>81185792
The Christmas Invasion

>>81185673
I think he's referring to the fact that Moffat said he was treating the audience as intelligent people and expected them to come up with a reason why 11 couldn't go to New York and see Amy and Rory again, ie. filling the gaps.

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>>81185729

>>81185729
No, but it will involve a phone call from a companion.

>>81185792
The Christmas Carol for me

>>81185729
>>81185874
this would be GOAT

>>81185439
>Not understanding how the Trickster's Brigade operates

You've never even seen Doctor Who, have you?

What did he mean by this?
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-02/sacha-dhawan-already-has-some-strong-ideas-about-his-doctor-who-costume

Why do people want the show to be dark? The show's about escapism, fuck off.

>>81186468
'Cause they grew up reading edgelord shite virgin novels

>>81186468
Dark or light, I would like it to take itself more seriously.

>>81186468

RTD's run showed that you can do dark while also being goofy and cartoonish

Hell, Ecclescake's season was the peak of that

>>81186940
Honestly, I think (for the most part) S9 took itself a little too seriously, especially with the ghost two-parter, the Zygon ISIS shit and Heaven Sent.

(Did Heaven Sent have any moments of levity or jokes?)

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The Doctor: It's the end..but the moment has been prepared for

Bill: So he was The Doctor all the time!

How would other Doctors have coped in Heaven Sent?

I cannot imagine 10 in that episode whatsoever.

>>81186877
You realize the Virgin range did Sky Pirates! and seven Gareth books, right?

>>81187452

The basic idea of Heaven Sent was originally a concept Moff shopped to Big Finish for 8, so presumably McGann would have worked in it.

>>81187501
I could see the Dark Eyes McGann in that episode.

TV Movie McGann, not so sure.

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>>81187452
>I am the Doctor. I'm coming to, weeeelll, find you. And I'm sorry - I'm so sorry - but I will never, ever stop.

>>81187452
The Holy Terror is kinda a similar story. For 6.

>>81187552
lmao, you have his vocal inflections down perfectly. do some other doctors!

>>81187536
I think Big Finish's concept for 8's character arc is a pretty natural, intuitive one, since the books did pretty much the same thing with him, so I imagine Moff might have thought down that path too. Not sure though.

>>81187452
The 1st Doctor would've been outrun by the Veil.

>>81187452

3 would've reversed the polarity of the diamond wall.

>>81187349
>(Did Heaven Sent have any moments of levity or jokes?)
It wasn't supposed to.

>>81182949
Jago + Litefoot is based

>>81187452
Doctors who would continue on: 2,3,4,7,8,11
Doctors who wouldn't:1,5,6,9,10

>>81187349
the dictatorship thing about gardening or whatever at the start

>>81187822
Probably why it's a hard rewatch. It would've been nice to have had one or two moments of humour in there, however dark, black and bleak. A joke involving the soup, or something once he breaks through the wall.

>>81187906
Why?

The dictatorship gag
"I'm nothing without an audience"
"Get off your arse"

>>81187893
Good shout.

DOCTOR: Oh, what's this? Well, are you gardeners? I hate gardening! What sort of a person has a power complex about flowers? It's dictatorship for inadequates. Or to put it another way, it's dictatorship. Come on! Chop, chop! The Doctor will see you now! Show me what you've got! I just watched my best friend die in agony. My day can't get any worse. Let's see what we can do about yours!

>>81187925
Because no matter the shit he's in and going through, he's still the Doctor. Humour, whether it be jovial or black humour, can be a coping mechanism for a lot of people.

And anyway, my bad, cos we've established there were brief glimpses of levity and jokes.

There's also the occasional touch which is more likely just stuff Capaldi came up, with like the pop of his cheek when he mentions the dead woman with flies around her

>>81187926
The only one that was really uplifting, though, was the audience bit. The dictatorship thing was clever and funny but its context was dark, and while the arse line was also uplifting, it was in a context of being victorious which isn't necessarily negative but it isn't really positive, either, in the sense of humor or levity.

Not that I care. Heaven Sent's a masterpiece, with or without happiness abound.

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>>81188003
Agreed. The audience bit always makes me smile, 12 is a bae.

>>81188003
>Heaven Sent's a masterpiece
Agreed. The only bit I don't care for is the very end.

Why did 12 confess to knowing about the hybrid once he'd broken free, when all he had to do to escape was confess about it earlier in the castle? Why is there a random kid in the middle of Gallifrey's seemingly vast and endless desert? And I found the pan to Gallifrey a little bit underwhelming after all the hype.

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>>81187552
>When the sun sets, I'll be able to establish an exact position by the stars. Because I'm brilliant and you're not. Then you'll have a choice. Show yourself, allonsy, or keep on hiding. Rose said I shouldn't take revenge. You should know I don't always listen.

>>81188092
I think it was to show that HE will decide when to confess, and will not be forced into it by what is essentially torture from the Time Lords (the confession dial), if that makes any sense.

>>81188092
Also, the confession dial seemed a little bit random - in the opening story, it felt like it held recordings or something. A last will and testament. Then suddenly it houses a murder castle? And the whole dial comes out of nowhere. It doesn't feel properly planned out.

>>81188092
>Why did 12 confess to knowing about the hybrid once he'd broken free, when all he had to do to escape was confess about it earlier in the castle?

He didn't know it was the Time Lords torturing him, it could have been anyone.

And like he says in the episode, if you're being interrogated, your only chance of survival is to keep as much information to yourself for as long as possible. When he escaped, he had no need to keep the information to himself anymore.

>>81188138
I know what you mean, but I don't buy it. He confessed to other stuff in the castle, why not the hybrid? Why string it out so he could tell them on his own terms? Why would that matter? If that's genuinely the reason, cos Dr Who wanted to do it on his own terms, then what a fucking idiot.

>>81188141
That's not what Confession Dials are for. The finale explains what they're for, a construct meant to let you work through your memories, fears, etc., to enable maximum peace and growth before death.

>>81188141
Agreed. Shoehorned in

RTD CHADS BTFO
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-04-02/peter-capaldi-is-fed-up-with-everyone-criticising-doctor-who-showrunner-steven-moffat

>>81188092
That area of the drylands is very close to the city, there are Gallifreyans scattered all over the surrounding dome, so the kid being nearby isn't too far a fetch.

>>81188092
Aside from the other answers, I think he told them he was Hybrid to let them know he was coming to kick ass. No explanation for the kid though.

>>81188174
>When he escaped, he had no need to keep the information to himself anymore.
Nor did he need to say out loud "the hybrid is me" when he was stood on his own with no fucker listening.

Also, he had the confession dial since early S9 yet didn't know murder castle was inside it??

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Norton%27s_Regeneration_(TV_story)

>Plot
>This was all well and good until the Eleventh Doctor begins a retro-regeneration and Graham Norton emerges again to begin the show.

>>81188201
But in HS it feels more like a carefully designed trap made by Rassilon and co. for the Doctor?

>>81188236
>Do you know what they did to me? A confession dial is a ritual act of purification. It allows a dying Time Lord to face his demons and make his peace, before his mind is uploaded to the Matrix. It was never intended as a torture chamber for the living.

>>81188236
The High Council was listening in to him from the Confession Dial. There's literal exposition explaining how they perveted the purpose of the Confession Dial and modified it to be the "bespoke torture chamber" and to monitor him.

>>81188273
Yes, because Rassilon and co modified it to be that. This is all explained in Hell Bent.

>>81188206
What's going to happen when Chibnall takes over? Will RTD Chads and Moffbros come together?

>>81188262

Graham Norton as Doctor is the only regeneration that would be better than a sexy woman with big titties or some sort of alien to be desu with you phams

>>81188273
Also: where the f--- does it come from? Where did he pick it up from?!

>>81188288
Jeez, who came up with that then? All sounds a bit needless to me.

So /who/, while we're on the topic, what do we think Clara said to the Doctor in the Cloisters?

>>81188336
This is literally all explained in the opening 2-parter and the closing 2-parter of series 9.

>>81188295
>This is all explained in Hell Bent
Wait, Hell Bent explained things?!

>>81188295
Still not sure how it came to be in his possession? Ohila handed it to him, after receiving it from Rassilon? In which case wouldn't Dr Who be suspicious of how she had it.

>>81188295
They didn't listen to him for 4.5 billion years did they?, since they can use Time, did they just skip through all his copies speeches until he said something of worth?

>>81188366
Okay, the line of dialogue that explains where he got it from then please...?

>>81188387
It was probably a matter of minutes to the people outside.

ALSO why was the Confession Dial in the middle of the desert?

>The High Council was listening in to him from the Confession Dial.

So why is it in the middle of the desert?

>>81188422
Maybe they put it there, so he wouldn't immediately break into the capitol and punch Rassilon in the face.

>>81188373
>>81188387
>>81188422
Why don't you guys just go watch the episodes, or skim the scripts? If you're that curious about these aspects.

Also, not sure if you're away, but there are two prequel minisodes to the premiere. The first one centres on the Confession Dial.

>>81188489
>Why don't you guys just go watch the episodes, or skim the scripts?
Have done. Nowhere is it explained where he got the Dial from. They explain what it is, how it was tampered with, etc. but not how it came to be in the Doctor's possession.

>>81188473
So put it in a guarded chamber or something, not in the middle of the desert!

>>81188537
>So put it in a guarded chamber or something, not in the middle of the desert!
Obviously it was there for the big 'reveal shot' for the audience, but it doesn't make any sense narrative-wise.

>>81188537
Have you watched Prelude to Series 9? Or The Doctors' Meditation?

>>81188489
Well I can tell you for a fact that >>81188387 is never answered and that >>81188422 asking about why it's in the middle of the desert is never answered, either, so, no, they needn't bother watching the episodes or looking through scripts because those two very big questions are never answered or explained.

I love those last three episodes, but they have their faults. Why don't YOU go watch them with honest conviction instead of blindly defending their holes and follies?

>>81188594
I have no idea why you're so worked up about this anon. I answered some questions, pointed out the prequel episodes (which you have not responded to) and suggesting taking another look at the episodes. Perhaps you should calm down and remember this is a television show.

>>81188594
Thanks dude.

>>81188594
Ladies and gentlemen, I present GallifreyBase personified

>>81188651
>pointed out the prequel episodes (which you have not responded to)
because they don't provide answers to the questions we were wondering about.

>>81188686
kek

>>81188651
I didn't ask about the prequel episodes. You have more than one anon talking to you. I understand how the Doctor got his confession dial.

I really hate it when people get cornered, then insist that it's all just fiction. It doesn't matter. We're all clearly here to discuss it. You're not here to do your taxes or learn to change a fuse. You're here, on this website, on this board, in this thread, to discuss that TV show. If it's so trivial to you, then don't participate in the discussion.

This thread is the perfect example of the type of hyper-literal people with very little emotional intelligence, who thus can't appreciate (or even understand really) fiction of any significant meaning.

>>81188750
It's not trivial to me, but I'm just baffled by someone getting worked up and aggressive toward me when all we're doing is discussing a television show we like together. There was zero need for barbed and pointed statements like "Why don't YOU go watch them with honest conviction instead of blindly defending their holes and follies?". They betray an immaturity and strange level of obsession that I'm not particularly interested in engaging with.

>>81188754
sci-fi in general tends to attract that sort

>>81188754
Good fiction is capable of answering objective questions while contemporaneously touching you emotionally. Doctor Who has been capable of it before; Moffat has been capable of it before. Series 9, though, had some problems. That's all.
>>81188805
You're right. It was hostile. I apologize. I got worked up because you insisted that that other guy should go and watch those episodes to get answers, when there are in fact no answers to the questions that were being asked. Don't point someone to a road that leads them nowhere.

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>>81188805
>Gets mad at someone for being mean
>Immediately turns around and says that they have a strange level of obsession and calls them immature

>>81188866
>objective questions

This is precisely the type of storytelling illiteracy I'm talking about. There is no reality of the show. Every fictional film, every book, every television episode, is imagination, a dream. Contorting them to fit some logical paradigm is foolish and ignores whatever they're actually trying to do. A show like Doctor Who, which actively pushes against concepts like canon and consistent story logic, is one of the worst types of fiction to apply this sort of questioning to.

>>81188930
gee, a post made exactly 30 seconds after the last post, defending that poster. why could this be...

So we've established Heaven Sent has a couple of plot holes? Well SHIT. That's that episode RUINED FOREVER

>>81188930
>A man who never would.

I think the aliens in Capaldi's era are too ''real'' I miss the slitheen, autons and cactus people of the RTD era.

Plotholefags are the absolute worst. They drain all the fun and energy out of whatever community they enter.

>>81189037
Were there any aliens of Smith's era you particularly liked? Continuity stuff aside, I liked the Silents

>>81189063
It's just Moffat's era in general seems to lack creativity with aliens.

RTD era was full of aliens that were memorable. Even if some of them were shit.

>>81188938
Maybe. Someone posted an interview with RTD earlier, and he talks about how, in Doctor Who, it's best to suspend your belief and to use your own imagination to fill in certain gaps. And I believe in that.

What upsets me is that people come up with honest questions — which is something that all good human beings do — and other people tell them that their questions don't matter, or that their questions, perhaps, were answered, when they certainly weren't. I personally like to fill in gaps. I like to chalk up discontinuities to infinite temporal flux; I like to think that the TARDIS translation circuit is old and on the fritz, so sometimes it doesn't work or gives people native accents. I adore doing that. But, sometimes, silly things happen for purely narrative purposes, and the silliness of those things, like a little boy and a confession dial in the middle of a desert on the continent of Wild Endeavor, just make the narrative moments not work out at all. The stupidity of them and the questions left over break it for a lot of people. That's when the questions become important, because, if they're so big and so obvious, then the moment gets ruined, and your beloved poetic facets no longer have turning gears.

>>81187452
I can't imagine 10 in any episode desu

>>81189037
>Farting Aliens
>Killer sentient Mannequins
>Literal Cactus Aliens

KYS.

>>81189037
I agree. Give me the Judoon over the Fisher King or the Silents any day.

>>81189120
Your post boils down to "some things work for me, so they're great, but some things don't work for me, so they're SILLY AND STUPID AND DON'T WORK AT ALL"

How can you not bridge it in your mind that it's all subjective, and some moments work fine for some people, and poorly for others. There is no objective stupidity to any of the moments. The moments may be ruined for you, but that doesn't ruin them for anyone else.

>>81189164
Calm down.

>>81189112
So many monsters in Moffat's era are 'grey areas' or conceptual or one of many. 11 was sorely lacking in end-of-episode showdowns with villains or heads of species.

>>81189144
I can imagine him in any episode, but I can't imagine him having much rapport with certain companions. I don't think that he'd get on with, say, either of the first two Romanas, but he'd get on swimmingly with Dodo or Frobisher. He'd be just plain boring with Mel, but absolutely splendid with Ace. With Adric, Tegan, and Nyssa, he'd get on just the same, I think, which says a lot about what David intrinsically brought to his Doctor. He and Leela would be fun, but he and Liz Shaw wouldn't be. Ian and Barbara, for the life of me, I can't even imagine.

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>>81189164
>Literal Cactus Aliens

>Implying there is something wrong with Cactus aliens

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>muh plot holes!!

>>81189263
kek
is that a real quote from the show?

>>81189175
This post right here. Yes.

>>81189238
I think he'd get on swimmingly with Romana II.

>>81189299
I felt doubtful when I wrote that, yeah.

Someone make up a bit of dialogue with 10 and Romana II so I can visualize it.

>>81189282
yes, ha, i was very amused when he said it. great show too, but I can totally see why a lot of people didn't like it; it's a very specific sort of style.

>>81189223
Yes, there wasn't any stand out straight aliens.

The silents were almost that but then Time travel and plot ruined them.

>>81189380
Such a shame. I always thought it would've been cool if Series 6 had flashbacked to Series 5 scenes too, but with Silents lurking in the background, to show they've been watching and waiting all this time.

>>81189568
They were in The Lodger.

>>81189618
No.

Doctor no more...

>>81189568
Never thought of that. I think that would've helped a lot of younger or dumber people to make sense of it. I'm not afraid to admit that I didn't understand 5 and 6 until I rewatched them, and, frankly, I loved how Time of the Doctor sort of wrapped up the whole church and the Silence stuff. A lot of people say Moffat phoned it in, but I was satisfied.

>>81189638

https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/1hkfq7/the_lodger_and_the_silence/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lodger_(Doctor_Who)

The spaceship control room reappeared in "The Impossible Astronaut"/"Day of the Moon", where it was connected to the Order of the Silence.[4][5]

>>81189618
They were dead in 1969, and they had left the ship there all those years. I wonder if Gareth and Steven knew what it was meant to be the whole time.

>>81189693
rawr! *glomps anon* xD hehe

>>81189724
Are you shitposting or did I say something weird/stupid

Doctor no more..

>>81189801
shitposting ;P

Doctor Who?

One thing I never understood in Moff's era is where the Doctor gets random Time Lord-related shit from.

In Doomsday, 10 says the Genesis Ark is all that remains of his home planet.

But then 11 brings out his old crib (why would that even be in his TARDIS?!), and then he whacks out the High Seal from about 7 incarnations ago, and then he randomly has a Gallifreyan confession dial. All this during a time where his home planet was supposedly gone kaboom or lost. (I can't picture the War Doctor scrambling to rescue his old cot and shit in between fighting the Time Wars)

>>81189863
Doctor no more!

Leaks when?

>>81189885
Those 3 things you list are his possessions though. Why wouldn't they be in his home, aka the TARDIS? Why would they still be on Gallifrey? If they were, I'd just assume 8 or someone retrieved them, but I don't see why his cot/Seal from 5 Doctors/Confession Dial wouldn't be in his house.

Doctor no more!

>>81189885
>In Doomsday, 10 says the Genesis Ark is all that remains of his home planet.
What about the TARDIS?

>>81189885
Well, clearly 10 was exaggerating when he said that. HE remains. His type 40 TARDIS remains. And there's a whole world inside — no doubt there's plenty of artifacts or personal effects in the TARDIS from Gallifrey.
Maybe at some point he got the crib and just kept it in there. As for the seal, I'm sure you know that the 3rd Doctor took it from the Master, and, again, just kept it laying about in the TARDIS. The confession dial he got from Ohila, no?

>>81189951
But when he brings out the Seal, it's casually in his pocket. Has he just carried it around in his coats just in case for the last 7 incarnations? (The coat he has on in that story is only a few episodes old too, meaning he recently stashed it in his pocket.)

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Worst NSA /who/?

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>>81190025
>The confession dial he got from Ohila, no?

Other way around, he normally held onto it, but he gave it to Ohila to give to Missy when he went off to confront Davros

>>81190037
Sure, it's a bottomless pocket I'd imagine. Time Lord technology and all that.

>>81190037
Eh. Why did the 4th Doctor keep the deed of the city of Skaro in his pocket?

Aren't the Doctor's pockets bigger on the inside? No doubt he can keep whatever he wants on him. A seal is a valuable thing, though, not very valuable when you assume that the Time Lords are all dead. Maybe after he saved Gallifrey he started carrying it around, assuming he might find Gallifrey and need it for whatever reason.

Dorium was such a comfy character. Why hasn't he ever returned?

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I'm thinking about reading the VNA's, are they worth it /who/?

>>81190136
dude imagine a comedic Gareth episode where Dorium and 12 run around quipping at each other trying to escape some sort of menace

>>81190091
How can he reach the bottom of his bottomless pocket? Does the Doctor have extendo arms? Do his Nyarlathotep tentacles only reveal themselves in the "pocket dimension"?

>>81190186
Plotholefags everyone. No fun allowed!

>>81190179
The next Gareth episode will be about - oh, wait.

>>81190136
Imagine if Head In A Box Dorium had been the Doctor's companion instead of Handles.

>>81190243
Imagine there's no Handles, it's easy if you try...

>>81190224
I think calling his bigger-on-the-inside pockets a literal pocket dimension is pretty fun

I-imagine if Chibnall had the balls to bring back Gareth? I think the fans w-would love it.

>>81190025
Clearly he also had the Gallifreyan fobwatch stashed away

>>81190138
Yea

>>81190278
But two other anons had already said the same idea when they brought up TL technology.

>>81190138
Only The Highest Science, Tragedy Day and Zamper

Zamper no more...

>>81190330
No-one called it a pocket dimension though

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Full-scale army of brutish bastard Sontarans story when?

>>81190407
Are you the same guy who complained Moffat didn't make everything in Heaven Sent explicit exposition? Jesus Christ mang, read between lines

Time Lord technology
= Bigger on the inside
= pocket dimensions

>>81190224
You're the one who doesn't seem to like fun, m8.

Plot holes lead to discussion and creative fan theories.

>>81187501
Note that you mention it HS is rather Divergent Universe-esque.

>>81190453
What? No? I literally just made a joke that pockets being bigger on the inside would be a pocket dimension

Well fuck I spent an hour in the thread on /mtv/ without knowing /tv/ was back

>>81190547
Scherzo is kinda similar in some ways.

>>81190041
NSA?

>>81190607
New Series Adventure (: hehe

>>81190554
What is this?

NEW FRED
>>81190706
>>81190706
>>81190706

>>81187536
It's weird to me how Dark Eyes/Doom Coalition 8 is marketed as a dark phase of 8's existence but his Main Range adventures with Charley easily had darker atmosphere than his adventures now. Granted the character himself is darker but the tone is not as dark as it used to be.

>>81188325
Of course they will. As their favorite eras flow into the past they will forget their differences to unite in hatred against what is new and different. They will forget that they were once at each other's throats. The cycle will begin anew when Chibnall steps down too.