/who/ - Doctor Who General

>>81057739
Wow, it's been awhile.

>>81057716
I cried at this episode.
Not really cried, but was extremely close.
Overall pretty solid.

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>>81057640
Well, depends on what you liked/disliked about Series 8.

Imo what makes it better are

>no boring coal hill shit
>capaldi is the main character in every episode
>all the two parters gave it a classic who feel

Honestly just watch a couple of episodes. If you aren't enjoying it then don't force yourself.

Chibnall had better fucking firebomb the writers room like JNT did. I don't want to see a single returning name.

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>tfw JNT chad

>>81057882
Also, Missy being there without the season being Yet Another Master Arc was nice.

1:14 Minutes of relatively new Capaldi content
https://twitter.com/GeorgeBaker26/status/847185062063980544

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>>81057916
SQUAD UP

>>81057347
I say this as someone who overall thought series 8 was a steaming pile of shit:

I personally loved the opening two-parter for series 9, but for whatever reason it gets shit on a lot.

In fact, I thought 9 was great across the board save for one episode (Sleep No More) so yeah definitely give it a watch.

>>81057901
This will not happen. If you comprehended the struggle that the showrunner has to go through every year just getting enough writers together who are both willing and available, you would not even conceive of it happening. Writers who are willing to come back for another year are like a blessing from God for the showrunner (plus they already know what it's like writing for the show), and Chibnall is unlikely to reject multiple-time contributors like Mathieson should they offer their services.

>>81057347
You're better off with The Space Museum desu

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>>81058059
Reminder Gatiss had a difficult childhood

>>81058059
I liked the opener too. Capaldi and Bleach were GOAT.

>>81057901
Besides the fact that there is no writers room…

One of the first things JNT did was bring back Terrance Dicks and get him to update one of his old scripts that hadn't made it under Hinchcliffe.

And he gave his opener to Williams' favourite writer David Fisher.

And then he went looking to bring back Peter Grimwade, Robert Holmes, and Terry Nation, as soon as they were willing to return.

And he unsuccessfully lobbied the BBC to let him hire Chris Boucher and other previous Who writers who were currently involved with Blake's 7.

I don't keep up with news for this show when it isn't airing

Is there a new head writer/new doctor this season? Or is that change happening for the 11th season?
Better question: Is this season going to be any good?

>>81057716
I don't even like the show that much, but I love this scene.

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What's this I'm hearing about a Sylvester Mccoy ten minute racist rant in a Tescos checkout line?

Some nice stuff from the Moff

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/steven-moffat-i-dont-think-doctor-good/

>>81058256
This season is Moffat's last as head writer, and Capaldi's last as Doctor.

Chris Chibnall takes over as showrunner for the last two lines of the Christmas special, and presumably the new Doctor (who hasn't been announced yet, and probably hasn't even been cast) will be saying those two lines.

>>81058256
>is that change happening for the 11th season
Yes
>Better question: Is this season going to be any good?
No

>>81058286
Pretty sure that's a meme of some sort.

>>81058256
The changeover is after Christmas.
This season looks ok but we haven't heard that much about it so we don't really know. It sounds like it might appeal to people who disliked the previous two seasons.

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-29/peter-capaldi-to-appear-on-the-graham-norton-show-to-discuss-his-decision-to-leave-doctor-who

>>81058310
>"Ultimately, Sherlock is “the story of two blokes – what am I supposed to do with that? Make one of them a woman? We chose not to do that.”"

>>81058059
Tbh Series 8 was better during the leaks when we didn't know much about it.
The rest of the episodes (Mummy Flatline aside) were really disappointing.

>>81058310
>My kids don’t understand the concept of linear scheduled TV

Autism?

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Looks like Captain John caught the JUST off Captain Jack.

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>>81058286
>"I'm sorrrrry nick, I know it's not politically corrrrrrrrect, but I've neverrrr carrrrrred for Afrrrrrrrricans".

>>81058310
>“Just choose the best person for the job and any other agenda, however worthy, should be ignored. It has to be the best person for the Doctor Chris is writing for
I don't think he's putting this the right way to quiet the press down and get them to focus on what he wants them to focus on.

He should remind everyone that he originally wanted almost the opposite of Matt Smith, and was already trying to persuade the BBC that an older Doctor was a great idea, when he saw Matt and suddenly realized exactly how he could write him as the Doctor and changed all his plans.

If you want to find an actor to fit your preconceived notion of a character, go make a movie, not a TV serial with a rotating cast. If you want to write for Doctor Who, look at everyone and then pick whoever inspires you to write for them.

GOAT Capaldi moments?

When he whistled "we don't need no education" at Clara in the Caretaker

>>81058860
Was that foreshadowing for the Guitar?

Roberts Pottery

>>81058860
Do not believe this foolish, TRICKERYYY!

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>>81058748
Laughed harder than I should have desu

>>81058860
the part where he was like Yeah I'm old as phuck but look how cooooooool I still am!

>>81057716
Fuck, i don't even like dr who, but this episode is one of the few things that will always get me choked up

>>81059614
10/10 final scene. helps that it wasn't shot like shit as most of the series looks to be

>>81060066
I think S9 was really well shot, apart from The Woman Who Lived

>>81059614
I agree, but did it make anyone else mad that the happy ending obviously never happened IRL?

>>81060100
The blocking and bland ass camera shots were god awful.
I'm not looking for cinematic kino shit in doctor who, but enough of constant over-the-shoulder cut to other character over-the-shoulder dialogue.

Not season 9 (I don't think?) but the scene with Capaldi asking Clara to sit down with him on the tardis steps to ask if he's a good man is some of the laziest looking camera work in the history of TV.

>>81060235
We need another Douglas Camfield eh?

>>81060235
that was bean wheatley
also this fanmade track is GOAT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyi0pNbY7Qs

>>81060177
No because the Doctor and Amy Pond do not exist in real life either.

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>It's a Billie Piper needs a solid job so she decides to buff Phoebe HYPE after goes full SJW after losing her job and killing Penny Dreadful for being a SJW Frankstein pimp episode

>"Former companion Billie Piper told the BBC it would "feel like a snub" if the role went to another man - but would Phoebe be able to squeeze the Tardis in around time on the Millennium Falcon now she's started filming the new Star Wars Han Solo movie?"

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38808070

>>81060309

Lies.

>>81060300
holy shit, the bit at 2:21 is GOATTTTT

>>81060265
>>81060235
>>81060100
>>81060066
To be fair, DW is one of the biggest mainstays of television history, certainly of British television history. The show deserves to have some good production values but it feels like such a half assed low-budget sci fi show 99% of the time (Which I guess is what some of the charm was originally from)

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>>81058748
>tfw rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreading that in his voice

>>81060309
Yeah, but Vincent Van Gogh did, and his real life was incredibly shit, and ... the ending kinda relied on the idea his life had been fixed in fantasy, right? It's a genuine question, but I thought it was the same problem with "Let's Kill Hitler."

>>81060386
3:35 !!!!!!!

>>81060400
Moff's era is a huge step up, visually, from the last 50 years. HD and a vast array of new directors have really boosted the quality. Which would be great... if the basic shit like production and writing were any good to start with.

>>81060300
>>81060386
>>81060437
Can you stop shilling your channel? Thanks and fuck offerino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUQnxo-IZEA

>>81060526
>implying Moffat's writing isn't good

/who/ ranks who doesnt lie.

>>81060404
What? The episode ends on a very bitter sweet note. It relies on the viewer realizing that Van Gogh's life was miserable for him, even if he had a few fun moments here and there- That's literally the point of 11's speech in the final scene


>>81060526
It got very cinematic for most of series 5 & 6, then just kind of went back to being a show with low-budget sets, costumes and no risks

>>81060573
Fuck off.

>>81060588
Moff's has been hit and miss, but mostly above average. Shame a lot of other writers in his era have been below average or downright piss poor.

>>81060642
No.

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgG5V7LWaGs

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>>81060597
>low-budget sets

>>81060404
>the ending kinda relied on the idea his life had been fixed in fantasy, right?
Well, the ending does go out of its way to point out that his life wasn't 'fixed'. He still committed suicide. They just added some good things to his life, which were unique to their interactions with him, and ended up having unique results i.e. the addition to the sunflowers painting.

>>81060588
Have we done one of these for 2017 yet?

>>81060597
>It got very cinematic for most of series 5 & 6, then just kind of went back to being a show with low-budget sets, costumes and no risks
Completely agreed. Series 7, visually, looked glossy but the direction was, for the most part, pretty uninspired.

Series 8 was all over the place, and felt cheap. Series 9 the same. Talalay is the only director who truly stands out, but her S8 finale stuff is poor compared to S9.

>>81060597
Well, I meant more the fact that he never got to saw his art become a success, and the ending basically was - all your pain and suffering has meaning, because ultimately, it produces work of astounding beauty - when IRL, he died before he ever knew that, and I felt that was the source of the emotion in that scene.

>>81060705
I think we decided not to do one since there was nothing last year. Might as well wait until Series 10 is over.

>>81060705
We'll do it early in 2018 I'd think, after the Christmas special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CePe_Pyjw1s

>>81060733
>Might as well wait until Series 10 is over.

And not RIGHT after too. Wait for the Redditors and GBfags to leave.

>>81060696
That IS cheap. The room is just from a rented out tobacco plant.

>>81060646
I'm the opposite, I tend to like the stuff done by other writers more than Moff's own stuff. Episodes like Amy's Choice, the Girl Who Waited, The Doctor's Wife etc are the ones I treasure.

But then, Moff probably had a hand in re-writing them, so I don't even know what to think.

>>81060826
I know. But you said Series 5 didn't have low budget sets. That's why I posted.

>>81060850
TDW was definitely heavily rewritten by SteMo. Don't think the other two were.

God, Series 5 feels like a LIFETIME AGO

>>81060869
Sorry. Not the anon you were responding to. I'm also retarded, I guess.

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Post low budget episodes

>>81060697
Ahhh, yeah, I can dig it. Been a long time since I last watched, to be fair, but that sounds cool. Still like the episode, had a lot of fun with it.

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>>81060948

>>81058714
I met him saturday at a con.
He seemed nice, but since he was in a shitty con in France shilling for his new comedy show I guess that things are not going well for him.
Still, he seemed genuinly gentle.

>>81060948
the end of partners in crime where 10 saves the day on a computer in the basement

i think RTD wasted the budget on the adipose.

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>>81060994
>>81061029

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>>81060948
Sometimes low budget works.

>>81060948
Boom Town

But low budget isn't always bad. BT was so damn comfy

>>81061068
>>81061084

See also: Midnight & Blink

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>>81060948

>>81060948
The Edge of Destruction

"hey guys we have 2 episodes to fill and literally no money"
"no prob. we can use the tardis set and, uh, this pair of scissors."
"perfect"

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>>81060948

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>>81060948
I couldn't say what budget The Mind Robber 01 actually was, but it was a literal filler episode set in a blank void.

>>81060948
The Twin Dilemma

"hey guys lets introduce an unlikeable doctor at the very end of the current doctors series to give viewers a taste of sixiepie"

"ok but wont they then spend the next year waiting for the series thinking he's a total cunt?"

"lalalalala not LISTENING"

"and we literally ran out of budget"

"THE TWIN DILEMMA IT SHAL BE CALLED AND THOU SHALL MAKETH IT"

>>81061219
With robot costumes borrowed from a different show!

So, probably cast and production wages plus the cost of borrowing a few props?

>>81061068
This is one of my favorite episodes of Doctor Who too. Low budget doesn't have to mean shit, but so often it's synonymous

>>81060948
time and the rani

"alien forest? no, have this quarry down the road"
"luxurious alien club? no, have this tatty set that Top of the Pops probably rejected"
"expansive laboratory? no, have 3 walls and a table"

listen doesnt have plot
listen doesnt have conflict
it could work for any sci fi series ever who is ok with slow character developement and nothing happening but a philosophy

good doctor who requires a PLOT

>>81060948
time flight

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Cute.

>>81061367
Okay.

>>81060948
Woman Who Lived actually feels pretty cheap

One monster costume, some woods, a room full of bookshelves, quite a talky episode, etc.

>>81060948
love and monsters

>>81061401
I'm serious
There is no danger, no conflict, no anything
Doctor just hangs out in a TARDIS and thinks WHAT IF THERE ARE INVISIBLE CREATURES
And piece of Clara's life gets along with this context, resulting in a twist

>>81061564
Alright.

>>81061688
So this episode didnt work for me, and I'm convinced that it's HIGHLY overrated. It's experimental, I understand, but does this experimental status allows it to be slow paced and leading to nothing? I dont think so.

>>81060948
Underworld is the best example of a story completely ruined by a ridiculously low budget.

Mind Robber is the best example of a story not at all ruined by a ridiculously low budget.

Part of it is obviously the skill of the people involved, but I think it's also partly that Underworld had too many ideas that all had to get in there or the whole story falls apart, while Mind Robber had one big idea and countless little things you could hang off that idea, so whatever is doable will work.

>>81061784
I'm guessing you're talking about Listen? It fucking sucks.

Forest of the Night is ruined by many things, but the fact they had to shoot it in a diddy little park (as opposed to the apocalyptic CGI plantscape of London the script presumably had in mind) pretty much poleaxed any chance it had at looking good. An example of the idea being decisively bigger than the budget.

>>81061784

I had the same problem with Heaven Sent. I didn't mind Listen though, I liked that the monster was implied to be a product of the Doctor's imagination. I mean, it wasn't perfect. Clara inventing the Doctor (over-simplification, but it gets to the point) is something I'm really not a fan of, nor of Moffat in general sticking his fingers in established continuity trying to put his personal stamp on other people's shit. The Danny Pink/ Clara relationship was better than Amy/ Rory (but I wouldn't go so far as to say, "good"), and there were some creepy moments.

>>81061367
>no plot
>no conflict

this is actually right

>>81063672
The conflict is all in the Doctor's head, and the bit at the end of the universe provides enough suspense and "there might actually be a monster here" to keep the slow entertained

>>81063786
But the absence of a monster is the interesting bit; there are hundreds of stories where there actually is a monster.

>>81063997
Yes the absence of the monster is interesting, but the episode is cleverly constructed to not make it obvious either way if there is a monster or not until the end, so the first time you're watching it you think "this could go either way". So the thing at the end of the universe provides some suspense and action. The other interesting bit for me is the Doctor's fascination with the monster, and him realising it's just his paranoia.

The twist at the end you can take or leave.

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I don't know if this has been posted already but Capaldi's gonna be on The Graham Norton Show on the 14th of April to plug Series 10 and to talk about leaving the show

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-29/peter-capaldi-to-appear-on-the-graham-norton-show-to-discuss-his-decision-to-leave-doctor-who

his couch-mates will be Mrs. Delphox herself Keeley Hawes, tall clumsy midwife Miranda Hart, victim of a maymay Warren Beatty and singer Jennifer Hudson

Matt Lucas was on his omnishambles of a Comic Relief couch

>>81063672
>Desire: The Doctor wants to identify the hidden creatures at the end of time.
>Obstacle: He can't, because they are possibly a figment of his imagination that he refuses to acknowledge.
>Plot: He makes a dangerous attempt to find them, ultimately resulting in his being rendered unconscious and the TARDIS telepathic network taking Clara to the source of his psychosis.
>Resolution: After Clara confronts him with the truth, he accepts that the whole thing may have been of his own causing (signified by his writing LISTEN on the chalkboard again)

>Desire: Clara wants to start a relationship with Danny.
>Obstacle: She can't, because they are both putting up fronts to hide their fear of opening up to each other.
>Plot: She abandons the date and goes on a mission with the Doctor, during which she learns about what fear means to him and realises how it has shaped him since childhood into a better person.
>Resolution: After coming to terms with this, she is motivated to face her own fear and go reconcile with Danny.

happening?

http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/785543/Doctor-Who-Peter-Capaldi-replacement-Phoebe-Waller-Bridge-favourite

>>81064681
No.

Reminder that the actual replacement will not enter people's awareness until like the week before they announce it for real.

>>81064681
>http://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/785543/Doctor-Who-Peter-Capaldi-replacement-Phoebe-Waller-Bridge-favourite
Yes, the fact that Phoebe Waller Bridge has surged to become the bettors' favourite doesn't mean bettors are idiots gambling on almost no information, it means she is absolutely guaranteed to be the 13th Doctor.

Just like the fact that a couple weeks earlier Kris Marshall surged to become the bettors' favourite was absolute proof that he will be the 13th Doctor. Somehow, they will both be the 13th Doctor.

Just like when Paterson Joseph and that guy whose name I forget were both the 12th Doctor instead of Peter Capaldi.

>>81057716
GOAT.

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I've just been announced as the 13th Doctor

>>81065336
He'll die before three years though.

>>81065292
I wish those betting options sites were like trading real futures. You could see the surge on her over the weekend, but they won't let you buy into more than €100, and you only make about €7 even though the odds move from 20:1 to even, which makes it kind of pointless.

What's a good program to rip Classic Who DVDs? I've been trying for the past few hours with DVD Decrypter, but I've been stuck at 85%.

>>81066939
They don't have any special copy protection on them, at least none of the ones I've ever bought.

Any chance your DVD is scratched or dirty?

>>81067357
Nope, one is brand new, but the others are from the local library. Truth be told, I'm just shit at ripping.

>>81067405
Things to try:

1. Go into the app settings (I don't know that particular app) and lower the max reading speed to something under 8x. You can try as low as 1x if you have the patience.

2. Get a lens cleaner kit in case your DVD drive's lens is dirty.

3. I'm guessing you're on Windows, and I know nothing about Windows software, but there has to be a program that does better error correction. My guess is it'd be a free program with a really horrible interface where you have to find and download DeCSS yourself to even get started.

4. Buy a new DVD drive. Or borrow one from a friend, if you know anyone who has an external USB drive or whatever.

>>81060680
>so desperate for S9 soundtrack people are recreating stuff
FUCK ME

I swear the sound effect used for the Half Life elevators has been used in Doctor Who. I'm pretty sure its music from The Daleks (1963). Skip to 20:16
https://youtu.be/JoV9o6b91Sc?t=1217

>>81069116
Nah, I think it's just a similar atmosphere.

>>81069116
>>81069213
The sound of the forest in Planet of the Daleks as well as The Face of Evil and at least two other serials was also used in Half-Life, the sound of bugs and shit and maybe the houndeyes. I'll try to find it

>>81069255
I can't find it but it sounds like the jungle is screaming or just going rrrrrrrrrrrr a lot, some creature in it at least

It's in Planet of the Daleks, Planet of Evil and Meglos

>>81069255
70s Who uses a lot more effects and incidental music from royalty-free collections than 60s Who does.

(I think the cutoff is actually late 1968, not 1970. Right after ITV/LWT spun off a company to publish all their incidental music and effects stuff, BBC started doing the same thing.)

>>81069116
This is pretty common isn't it? Reusing foley effects? Like the Wilhelm scream right?

>>81069855
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdbYsoEasio
an illustration

>>81069855
Yes. But it seems to come and go in waves of fashion, how much to reuse vs. how much to create new. And the curves for incidental music, background clips, and foley effects are separate, and for US and UK, and for TV and movies. But they're all probably basically sine curves, except for that one big discontinuity in all the British TV curves around 1968.

>>81070153
>seems to come and go in waves of fashion
I'd think it would have to do more with budgetary or economic reasons. The rest of your statement requires an intelligence/knowledge that I can't seem to match or muster.

>>81070322
Also technological reasons.

For example, right around 1980, you suddenly start hearing a lot more of sci-fi shows using short pattern clips from the episode's score as incidental bits instead of using stock bits.

Probably because that's right around the time digital sequencers went mainstream for electronic music, so triggering a 16-bar pattern became a matter of pushing a button instead of laboriously scrubbing through tapes.

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https://twitter.com/JohnBarrowman/status/847293345088929792
>Current Mood. JB
>>81070518
Makes sense. Though they were using the whilhem scream well into the 2000s, perhaps later even. Maybe other anon was right, it's just the production's prerogative and choice.

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>>81058286
Need a quick rundown?

>/who/ is shitposting general
>Neon Visual's PR firm burned down the wiki
>Doctor Who is on indefinite hiatus
>Peter Capaldi has developed arteriosclerosis of the knee
>Steven Moffat photographed exchanging money with Michael Grade
>Jenna Coleman's on-camera breakdown on the set of Victoria jeopardizing production
>Big Finish studios have been empty for months
>BBC Books no longer accepting submissions
>Phillip Morris confirmed that the BBC "wasn't interested" in a complete copy of The Daleks' Master Plan
>Tom Baker has been in the hospital for two months, no contact with the media
>Matt Smith currently under investigation for child molestation
>Karen Gillan cut from Guardians of the Galaxy 2
>Gattiss has "exciting announcement" for November
>David Tennant and Georgia Moffett currently undergoing "trial separation"
>John Hurt cancer relapsing
>Sylvester McCoy 14 minute racist tirade recorded in a Tescos checkout line
>Rumors swirling about Colin Baker's "transition"
>Christopher Eccleston retirement announcement eminent
>Nicholas Briggs silently suffering from cancer of the larynx
>Paul McGann "hasn't come out of the basement in months" according to family members
>"Doctor Who was a mistake. It's nothing but trash," says Russell T. Davies at a Golden Globes afterparty
>Peter Davison rape accusations made in the press
>Ian Levine recently hired by BBC to "continuity adviser" position
>John Barrowman has "critical health announcement" to make about HIV status
>Urn containing Elisabeth Sladen's ashes has gone missing
>Catherine Tate releases 15 minute video about women's rights
>Jamie Mathieson signs non-compete with Channel 4, will not write for BBC for 5 years
>Larry Miles admitted for three day "psychiatric observation" after being detained outside Steven Moffat's home with "a motley collection of tools"
>Nicola Bryant tell-all in the works, "Peter Davison drugged and used me!"
>Sophie Aldred suffering from late stage thorax cancer

>>81070693
Yeah, if you use, say, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNWCTJpD1wc after the 80s, it's going to sound pretty retro, whereas a scream is more timeless.

But anyway, it's probably a combination of lots of factors. Besides economics, technology, and producer prerogatives, there's also the composers' preferences. There's only a few dozen people who did almost all the sci-fi music for British TV over the last 50 years (including the people who contributed to the collections), and I'm sure they all have different things they care about. I remember Peter Howell talking in one of the DVD extras about how he argued with JNT about what he should and shouldn't be focusing on.

>>81070693
People still use the wilhelm scream, although now it's done sort of as a "haha look, it's the wilhelm scream. You know what this is, right? :^)"

>>81071078
I feel like it's been "haha I used it again" since The Empire Strikes Back, certainly by Temple of Doom.

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An update on The Sontaran Experiment: I tried ripping it into MKV on Handbrake, but it came out all disfigured and mashed up. Trying to rip it into MP4 currently.

>>81071167
But originally it was an inside joke for a small group of people within Lucasfilm and Amblin to use it as much as possible. By the 90s is was a wider inside joke that anyone who went to film school was in on. And nowadays, millions of people are in on it, so it's not really even an inside joke anymore; you're expecting people in the audience to point it out to their friends.

>>81072257
I guess yeah. It's almost reached 'normie' status, hasn't it? I actually haven't noticed it in many films, but I don't watch many films. I'm sure it must have been in the latest Star Wars entries, I think definitely in Rogue One, but I don't remember.

>>81071404
Good luck
all of the dvdrips are up on vk

>>81071001
>>John Hurt cancer relapsing
needs an update

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>>81071001
>Karen Gillan cut from Guardians of the Galaxy 2
total fucking bollocks. she is all over the ads and other promotional material and plays a major part in one of the subplots.

the rest of your post is probably mostly bullshit as well.

>>81072373
>I'm sure it must have been in the latest Star Wars entries, I think definitely in Rogue One, but I don't remember.
Yes, it's used at least once in The Force Awakens, and Rogue One, and each season of Clone Wars, and Rebels (but not each season of it), as well as in almost every game.

In fact, in Star Wars Galaxies, they have a character named Wilhelm Skrim as misdirection—you're expecting his final cut scene will have him get tossed off one of those high walkways without railings that everyone builds in that galaxy so he can do the scream, but he survives.

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what did he mean by this?

>>81061068
What makes you think this episode was low-budget?

>>81073514
>Are you satisfied with what you have been able to do with the role?
>Moffat's not sexist.
what the fuck haha

>>81073514
>not every episode is going to be fantastic
Is this the first time capaldi's ever implied that there are episodes in his run that he didn't like?
Which episodes do you think he's referring to?

>>81073721
I'm pretty sure he's openly said how he thought the tank scene was horrible when he read the script and was very hesitant to do it. He didn't really say that his opinion on it changed either, if I recall correctly, he just said that he guesses Moffat was right because fans seem to like that scene

I'd love to hear his completely candid opinions about his run. I'd pay a lot of money for an audio commentary where he is allowed to be as honest and brutal as he likes. Same goes for anybody that's worked on the show really. Pity professionalism stops this 99% of the time

>>81073721
Edited version:
>not every [episode] is going to be fantastic.

Original version:
>not every episode will work. After all, when the script is written by a maths teacher and it has to be rewritten by Gatiss before Steven can even bear to look at it and do his own rewrite, what are the odds it is going to be fantastic?

>>81073827
oh shit did he actually say that about the tank scene? Is there a link to where he said that?

>>81073924
Wait, Steven taught maths? That makes the number he chose as the amount of people on the library planet even more laughably bad

>>81073934
I've seen it posted here a few times but I'm trying to find it now and it's really hard since most results are just pictures and videos of the tank scene

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>Hey Steven I really want to do a story about an ice warrior hive on mars
>No Mark, it's already been done
>ok ok but what if it's victorians on mars discovering the ice warrior hive?
>ugh fine whatever just leave me alone

>>81074023
>it's already been done
When? I can't even remember an episode with the ice warriors being on Mars, let alone in a hive

>>81074085
"explorers accidentally break into a monster lair" is what's been done

>>81073721
By 'fantastic', I think he means that the show doesn't have the budget for every episode to have mind blowing CGI/ special effects to wow the plebs.

Hence, some episodes will be 'fillers', such as fun romps (egs. Robots of Sherwood, Girl Who Died), others talky character progression (egs. Listen, Woman Who Lived).

But overall, each series hopefully provides something for everyone to enjoy.

>>81074134
>By 'fantastic', I think he means that the show doesn't have the budget for every episode to have mind blowing CGI/ special effects to wow the plebs.
That's a really weird interpretation of the word fantastic, especially coming from Capaldi. Why would he equate cgi with quality?

>>81074000
Steven Moffat was an English teacher (his Masters degree was English Literature).

>>81074207
That makes more sense

>tfw currently studying lit
>tfw future showrunner

>>81074167
'Fantastic' has multiple meanings.

>>81074343
It certainly does, anon.

>>81074000
I think you missed the point of anon's joke.

Stephen Thompson was a maths teacher. Steven Moffat was not, and says he barely passed the required classes.

Referring to Thompson as "a maths teacher" is not just a way of avoiding his name, it's also calling him something other than a writer. Like when people call William Shatner a dentist to imply he's not a real actor.

Meanwhile, there's a rumour that Moffat requires all of Thompson's scripts to be edited by Gatiss before he'll even look at them. For some reason, that rumour has more legs in Sherlock fandom than Doctor Who. And as far as I know, there's no source for it in the first place.

Anyway, even though it's probably not true, it certainly makes more sense that Moffat would refuse to read scripts by a crap writer until Gatiss rewrote them than that Moffat would refuse to read his own scripts until Gatiss rewrote them, as you seemed to have taken it.

And I think that's every layer of the joke fully explained so it will no longer be the slightest bit funny.

Oh, wait, one more thing: I guess anon was implying that Time Heist was as bad as all of Thompson's earlier episodes. Which it definitely wasn't, but for the sake of the joke, I think you have to pretend?

>>81074375
Stephen Thompson is still a literal who to me. If I saw his name out of this context I would not remember that he wrote for the show at all.

>>81074261
Coincidentally (or probably not), Clara was an English teacher and a bit of a control freak.

>>81074538
>a bit of a control freak
I still kinda hate this. Was such lazy writing. I remember all of a sudden everybody kept calling her "bossy" and a "control freak" in the show when there was no basis for it yet. Similar to how she was suddenly an English teacher without any previous lead-up or indication, I guess.

>>81074432
That may be why the rumour is a bigger deal among Sherlock fans, since there are only three writers for that show and they're all officially co-showrunners?

>>81074651
I've seen all of Sherlock too and don't know Thompson. I believe you that he writes for it but I'm certain he's not a co-showrunner.

>>81074697
You're right, he's only credited as "producer" and "writer", not "executive producer".

But anyway, each of the three writers wrote one episode per season up through S3.

>>81074888
What changed in S4?

I hate Vincent and the Doctor with rage of a collapsing galaxy. Most overrated story ever.

>>81074920
In S4 there's a Moffat episode, a Gatiss episode, and a Moffat & Gatiss episode (like the mini-episode and the 2016 special), no Thompson episode.

I think Thompson was busy on Jericho, at least back when S4 was supposed to be in 2016.

>>81074993
Rings of Akhaten has zero redeeming qualities but reddit eats it up because there was a speech. Never mind that the speech was contrived and came out of literally nowhere

>>81075141
It had a decent spectacle.

I also don't think I saw much praise for it on reddit.

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>>81075178
Anyone who disagrees with my opinions I assume to be reddit
I never actually go on that shithole

>>81074631
Oh yeah, now that you mention it lol

>>81075715
>Bruno Langley

For fuck sake. This is the dumbest shit

I mean, he could probably carry a story in which he uses his mighty exposed brain to destroy Earth, but it doesn't fit in Ninth Doctor chronology.

>>81075715
I hate this so much. It's so money-grubbing. No one wants to listen to Briggs awkwardly impersonate Eccleston. Big Finish need to stop milking NewWho so hard. Diary of River Song is good. The connections into stuff like Doom Coalition is good. 10th Doctor Adventures is good. Churchill Years is pushing it. Stuff like this is literally damaging their brand; it tricks people and god forbid, if Eccleston ever did actually join (he won't), it would just muddy the waters.

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>>81076747
Money-grubbing and overproducing is Big Finish's bread and butter.

>>81075715
>the most literally who companion imaginable

>>81075820
>>81077026
I still resent them doing all the stories with Peri with Five, it ruins the concept of Caves of Androzani. Even though the Peri/Erimem stories are good, it just doesn't work thematically in the chronology.

There's a big reason the post-season-26 7, post-Trial 6, and 8 are generally the best audios, they can craft arcs not awkwardly sandwiched between TV episodes.

>>81074000
>That makes the number he chose as the amount of people on the library planet even more laughably bad
Okay I'll take this bait: why?

>>81075715
>Bruno Langley (born 21 March 1983) is a British actor best known for playing Adam Mitchell in the 2005 series of Doctor Who
If thats his most popular role, he has unfortunately failed as an actor

>>81078022
where is that description from? If it's from any doctor who related site it's a bit biased

>>81078022
He was in The League of Gentlemen's Apocalypse for like a minute too.

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>>81076747
>if Eccleston ever did actually join (he won't), it would just muddy the waters.
They did same thing with Tom Baker

>>81078216
it's from wikipedia
poor guy

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2017-03-30/doctor-who-boss-steven-moffat-has-some-advice-for-chris-chibnall-on-picking-the-next-doctor

>“Just choose the best person for the job and any other agenda, however worthy, should be ignored,”

Female Doctor BTFO

>>81078329
And look how that turned out. FDAs are literally their worst range.

>>81078329

IMO Companion Chronicles aren't the same thing as fucking Briggs impersonating a Doctor, but I see your point.

>>81078383
A bit odd coming from the man who once said he wished his last act as showrunner could be casting a female doctor

>>81078472
Source?

>>81078472
When did he say that?

All I can find is: "It would only work if the actress was so amazing that the most conservative, most traditional member of the audience says, ‘Oh God, yes. I would hate the idea of a lady Doctor, but that one would be great.’”

Also, he thinks the companion should always be female, for various reasons.

>>81078886
It was at least a year ago, long before capaldi even announced his departure
I'm sure it was just an off handed joke because there's no way he would actually cast the main star the new showrunner would have to deal with

>tfw Capaldi replaces Eccleston as the one everyone skips

>>81077191
This is true because for Androzani to work Peri and the Doctor need to have only just met

>>81078948
I think people will skip S8 and 9, but not 10, which looks top comfy/fun

>>81078942
>there's no way he would actually cast the main star the new showrunner would have to deal with

Series 9 was supposed to be Moffat's last, he'd deliberately tied up all his loose story strands by the end of it.

So, presumably, the next show runner would have still had Capaldi as the Doctor.

>>81079221
I mean there's no way he would cast a new doctor right before leaving, never writing an episode for them

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Good morning!

>>81077941
Why would you assume it's bait? 4,022 people is a ridiculously small amount for a library the size of planet. That's all

>>81078383
The "best person for the job" argument sort of falls apart when you realise they don't even audition women for the role. Not to mention, when it came to Capaldi, they literally didn't audition anybody else at all.

>>81058860
AND WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES

>>81079435
>implying capaldi isn't the best person for the job

I'd really like to see a Doctor Who animated series

>>81079462
I love Capaldi and think he was an excellent casting choice. I'm just saying, this narrative that they're only interested in the absolute best person and they're out there searching far and wide for them is absurd.

>>81079435
>when it came to Capaldi, they literally didn't audition anybody else at all.
That's because Capaldi is the best person for the job

>>81079485
Each episode could focus on a different Doctor

>>81079531
>That's because Capaldi is the best person for the job
Actually I am.

>that feel when you know deep down you would be an amazing doctor that would bring the show into a new golden age but you'll never even get to audition

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>>81058860

>>81079581
And some of them having two or three doctors working together in the same episode

>>81079435
They say it to disguise the fact that they don't want a female Doctor, and never have. They're afraid of being labelled as some sort of evil maverick by the tiny fringe of the fanbase who make it their mission to be offended by a TV show. People who probably don't even like the show, and are more concerned with 'representation' because they lead shallow, unfulfilled existences, whilst adhering to this strange identity-driven groupthink.

The Doctor doesn't represent anyone, and never has. There are plenty of strong female characters in DW. I just love how no one complains when there's a derision of men, i.e, the "ego" scene from Hell Bent.

>>81079413
We don't really know anything about the future century society that indicates how many visitors the library should have. The reason it's so big is to house all the books, not because it necessarily attracts enough people to fill the space.

>>81078948
>Eccelston

you mean Hartnell?

>>81079697
>They say it to disguise the fact that they don't want a female Doctor, and never have.
This is true. Don't agree with the rest of your weird rant though.

>>81079745
Silly argument. There are schools with more students than that, buildings that can house way more people than that, on current day Earth. Not to mention the fact that Tennant walks around saying "where is everybody?" when if you were on a planet with a population that small you could spend all your time there and never see another person.

It's weird that whenever I bring this up people's first reaction is always to defend it. Nobody goes "huh, that is too small now that I think about it". You can admit Moffat made a small goof without the world crumbling around you

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>>81077191
>>81078975

>>81080453
Two wrongs don't make a right; two retcons don't make an original continuity.

>>81080453
Wait, this is a companion chronicles story? Not part of the main range?

>>81080522
Yes but it's pretty important. Every now and again there's a companion chronicle like that.

>>81080567
Why do BF do this? Splinter their stories into so many ranges? It's hard to follow

>>81078948
Nah that's Matt's run desu.
Series 6 and 7 are the most skippable seasons of NuWho.

>>81080587
See
>>81076949

>>81080613
It's really funny that you actually double (You)'d me here. It's like past me is answering my question

>>81080653
Very Doctor Who ;)

>>81080664
Doctor (You)

>tfw Big Finish got my hopes up making me think Eccleston was returning
>it's Jackie Tyler and Adam from The Long Game

REEEEEEEE

>>81080720
GB and even r/gallifrey are REEEEing about it too, I think they honestly pissed folks off here, ha

>>81080720
>Eccleston
>Returning
>Ever

>>81073599
The only monster is a dwarf under a bedsheet. The only significant CGI is the shot of the dead planet and 12 on the TARDIS at the start, and it's low on specially made sets. There are no prosthetic masks etc and the only sci-fi costume is a reused one. 'Low-budget' might be pushing it but it's clearly a cost saver compared to your average episode.

>>81081042

John Hurt's in the fucking episode, he can't have been cheap to get back after the 50th.

>>81081369
kek

>>81079666
go to bed julio

>>81081385
hehe :3

>>81060177
Happy ending? Where the doctor tells Amy how Vincent killed himself a few months later?

>>81081744
rawr! *glomps capaldi*

Vincent and the Doctor is only considered a good episode by depressionfags who can emotionally relate to it. From a strict story based view it's mediocre at best. Giant invisible chicken? Come the fuck on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVTNK_KHV4s

Try to watch this without cringing.

Did that anon still want to watch the micro:bit live lesson thing?

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7x2P-L3p262UlRFSWZRWk1YVmc

>>81081792
I physically can't watch this

>>81081772
xD

>>81081778
>Vincent and the Doctor is only considered a good episode by depressionfags who can emotionally relate to it.
Does that sound at all likely to you? Like did this sound realistic when you typed it out, that all the people who liked the episode are 'depressionfags'?

And is your 'strictly story based' criticism really limited to the fact the alien is invisible and has a beak?

I'm not convinced by this argument desu

>>81081792
Have Adam or Matt tried this yet? I can't imagine their results

>>81081778
>Vincent and the Doctor is only considered a good episode by depressionfags who can emotionally relate to it.
As a depressionfag I despise it. It's only considered good by normies who want to feel like they get it and be able to live on their lives feeling good about themselves without ever bothering to help their less neurotypical brethren out.

So Capaldi is this generation's C. Baker, right?

>>81081792
C R I N G E

>>81082050
I guess. He arguably has the same array of issues, but for all his faults, Moffat is less of a lunatic than JNT so it's not as bad.

>>81082050
In what way did you come to that conclusion?

>>81069116
Sound effects people use common libraries of sounds

>>81082050
NuWho doesn't have a C. Baker and probably never will. The parallels with Capaldi are flimsy at best.

>>81082143
Do you know where these stock libraries are? Is it all free to use now or is it just the stock standard paid sound library everyone gets?

>>81082103
>>81082144
>previous Doctor was the youngest to be in the role
>Doctor is "dark" and abrasive; this doesn't sit well with audiences
>the writing is said to be "the worst"
>ratings are way down

>>81069116
>>81082143
I heard the TARDIS door sound effect somewhere recently, can't remember where.

I'm so conscious of that sound though, for some reason. Every time the TARDIS opens it's always that exact same sound. I'd probably write a joke about it if I worked on the show, something about a result of the chameleon circuit being faulty.

this sub-reddit needs to be active again, we must save it /who/. www.reddit.com/r/skaro

>>81082232
Capaldi's run isn't going to be primarily remembered for him doing some bizarre act of violence against his companion in his first story.

>>81082311

Good point.

Cheers,
Jon Blum

>>81082246
It was in Broadchurch and I think Inside No. 9 too

>>81082311
He called Clara fat/made fun of her appearance, which by today's standards is an act of violence.

>>81082364
and Clara slapped him in the same episode and threatened to slap him in Kill the Moon. Imagine if it was the other way around... There'd be uproar!

>>81082258
reddit pls go

>>81082364
Reminder that 12 is literally both autistic and faceblind

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>>81082381
Why should I believe this man?

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>>81082381
It's Hayley Atwell

>>81082381
hayley confirmed

>>81082464
>I don't copy and paste. That's how you get hacked.
What did he mean by this?

>>81076747
Big finish is a pension scheme for out of work and elderly who actors - they get some free food and a bit of cash
That's why they used to be non profit and it's how Briggs bought a part of the company

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>calls Clara the worst companion
>says Rose is the best

>>81082381
>believing Gallifrey Base

>>81082197
From listening to the big finish extras interviews their bloke suggests he builds up a personal library likely from various sources
Likely there's a bunch of free sounds professionals know but they can't remember all so more likely they try recording real sounds and using warping effects
It's like Location scouts - people have an internal list of stuff they think will work
I've seen a certain music effects magazine that regularly gives away cds full of sounds
>>81082246 just listen to how big finish reuse title sequences e.g. Their j&l is reused for Sherlock Holmes and their grace title was also recycled

https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/847448339184361472

GUYS TOM BAKER DIED TURN ON BBC RIGHT NOW

>>81082870
BBC dropped some sort of a teaser? on twitter

>>81082870
Wew. Thats sure to draw in viewers

>>81082870
I feel like we're going to be seeing multiple of these short animations and all of them are going to be based off of that one thing Moffat said at a panel. Expect something about him having two hearts.

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Spoiler hounds in GB are reporting that the Doctor is a woman.

>>81082959
Which ones

>>81082959
>Spoilerhounds

Speculation:
Moffat said in the SFX interview that he would have wanted Capaldi's leaving announcement to have happened halfway through series 10, because that would then draw attention to Doctor Who right at the point in the series when it's hardest to get people watching (i.e. when viewing figures start to drop compared to the opening episodes).
What if this is actually a subtle clue that instead, they're going to choose that time to reveal 13's identity?

Kris Marshall left his other show just before s10e12 started filming.

He has not signed up for anything else.

was that new teaser animated by John Smith??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lBeV5bQW70

Genuinely won't watch if they make the Doctor female, mainly because the complacent smugness of those pining for it would fill me with a suicidal rage.

There's always the Cushing movies.

>>81083225
bye then

>>81083223
Quite possibly.

Here is what would happen.

American women complain the doctor is not female.

They make the doctor female.

Those 'fans' move to another 'fandom'.

>>81083223
Seems so. Wew. Neonvisual aint gonna be pleased they picked another youtuber that wasn't him.

>>81083285
Then they attack the show again because the doctor is white and not gay.

If they try to please these retards they will destroy the show because they'll never stop making demands.

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>>81083285
This. All the fangirls said they'd still watch with Capaldi. I haven't seen one outside of the 5 on the DWSR tag since.

>>81083380
Alternatively, this autistic vision of reality doesn't come true, because they just cast someone and get on with making this hugely popular television show without being 'destroyed' by the fact criticism of it exists.

>>81083423
The tennant fans hated smith. The smith fans fucked off when capaldi appeared and then complained until they ruined the portrayal.

Once you start giving into these fakers then the show is screwed.

one female doctor won't be the end. None of the american complainers are likely to have seen much classic who either.

>>81083225
hopefully you'll stop using /who/ too

>>81083456
I am happy to see you waste your time typing that, cats.

>>81080049
>It's weird that whenever I bring this up people's first reaction is always to defend it. Nobody goes "huh, that is too small now that I think about it".
It's almost like it's an unfounded assumption.

>>81083501
>and then complained until they ruined the portrayal.
One day you are going to have to accept that making the 12th Doctor nicer and more genial after his first series was a decision Moffat and Capaldi actually made of their own free will.

https://twitter.com/GirlyLetters/status/847454191756779522

>that model work tho

https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/847448339184361472

>>81083546
What's an unfounded assumption?

>>81083586
What

>>81083572
go and fuck yourself, doctorsong

>>81083588
That music tho

>tfw 12 and missy regenerate at the same time
>one is a man, one is a woman
>we don't know which

>>81083586
Kris Marshall confirmed.

>>81083588
>he doesn't have a tank or a warship

He did have a tank though

The Pilot synopsis:


"Two worlds collide when the Doctor meets Bill. A chance encounter with a girl with a star in her eye leads to a terrifying chase across time and space. Bill’s mind is opened to a Universe that is bigger and more exciting than she could possibly have imagined – but who is the Doctor, and what is his secret mission with Nardole on Earth?"

Mondas fags BTFO.

>>81083501

matt smith and moffag ruined doctor who

capaldi was the shining hope but moffat's shitness and attempts to appeal to amerifats ruined it

What if these short promo vids are building up to the 13th Doctor reveal?

There's rumour of a photoshoot

>>81083627
Wouldn't the clothes be a giveaway?

>>81083649
Not as a weapon though.

>>81083653
>implying they would reveal Mondas in the plot synopsis

I don't think Bill lives on Mondas but come on.

>>81083674
okay, they have orange spacesuits on

>>81083672
That's just Girly Letters speculating.

>>81083671
Nah, you just grew up

>>81083653
Source link on this btw
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2017/16/doctor-who

>>81083672
It won't be revealed until the surprise regen, andrea. It's Kris Marshall.

The girl saying exterminate. I bet that line is out of context and she's actually exterminating the Daleks by drowning them in their cases.

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REMINDER

NEW GENERAL: >>81083791

VAN HOOF > VINCENT

Cloister appears to reeeing again

The next Doctor is NOT Phoebe Waller-Bridge! She is filming the Han Solo Star Wars movie at the moment, she has a second series of Fleabag coming up in which she stars and writes. On top of this, she is also show running Killing Eve for BBC America.

It isn't Kris Marshall either. The fact he left Death in Paradise close to the time Capaldi announced his departure is nothing more than a coincidence.

It's Hayley Atwell. She's doing the BBC adaptation of Howard's End at the moment in a similar way that Capaldi was filming The Musketeers when he was cast.

Someone make a proper new thread

>>81083865
It's not, it's a male called Andrew Buchan

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>>81083875
Fuck Offerino

>>81083865
Haley can as many films as she likes. Capaldi was about to retire.

>>81083865
>She's doing the BBC adaptation of Howard's End at the moment in a similar way that Capaldi was filming The Musketeers when he was cast.
This doesn't actually mean anything, you realise. It's not like they only contract people who are currently filming a BBC series, or people they choose have to suddenly rush in and film a BBC series prior to being announced

>>81083942
But Marshall did suddenly leave a succesful show and he has no hollywood career to give up.