Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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Ferst fer da Orks.

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First for I cant wait to field this fucker in 8th.

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Something's coming.

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Guard hopes and dreams?

>>55381391
>'Ard boyz
Hope the codex gives us these back.

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So now monsters and vehicles and other big stuff works much the same way, how do you refer to different tiers of power now? My group has taken to using ship classes like in Uber, where something huge like a Primarch or a Knight is a Battleship, something merely big like a Leviathan Dread or Land Raider is a Cruiser and light/medium stuff like Preds, Dreads and Carnifexes are Destroyers.

Mostly because saying "Anti-armour/monster" for units is a little clunky and it's a good way to roughly estimate list power without actually telling your opponent your stuff. You have three Cruisers? OK, I'll bring Cawl along.

>>55381393
Fires of Cyraxus can't come soon enough.

Nearly finished with this conversion of the venerable Doomrider.
Just waiting on one more bit, and gonna do more work on the left leg and hand once its dried up a bit.
Intend to run him as a Demon Prince with wings to lead my hard rock themed Emperor's Children. Not quite as tall as the official model, but anyone who accuses me of modelling for advantage is welcome to line of sight.

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>>55381429
woops, forgot to add a pic

>>55381415
Apparently not till after Codex Tau
So not anytime soon

>>55381420
>Given that orks are good with the Index theres no way they'll be getting worse.

The only part of the Ork codex that's good is Boyz spam. If that gets nerfed, which is looking pretty likely given the word on conscripts, and the rest of the massive issues in the codex don't get addressed, Orks are very much going to get worse.

>>55381414
that's actually sorta cool

>>55381438
Well, early to mid 2018 with any luck. After waiting this long it could be worse.

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>>55381405
DONT GET RID OF SHOTGUN VETERANS, PLEASE, I BET YOU.
YES I KNOW GW DOESN'T PUT THAT OPTION IN THE KIT BUT PLEASE.

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>>55381405
Grinding Advance for the Baneblade family, some Mech/Armoured Regiment rules and/or buffs for pic related.

>>55381454
Give Vets 4+ armor. Justify the Elite slot with something.

I have want to paint something in a gaudy chrome finish. Necrons and Grey Knights are overdone, so what should I paint?

Thinking that maybe a Custodes or Sisters of Silence might look amazingly awful in chrome, but what else is there?

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Necron Codex and plastic Flayed Ones when???

So who makes the best video battle reports?

>>55381452
>It could be worse
Please don't tempt fate any further, anon.

>>55381468
I painted my bananamen silver-chrome, with blue gems and black accents. Looks pretty good.

>>55381468
Searching chrome 40k stuff on google yields
GKs, Necrons, Tau, daemon

>>55381478
Necron Codex not anytime soon

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>ork and tyranid players enjoying an intense back and forth game where no one seems to be winning
>suddenly a khornefag shows up with the cheesiest WAAC list you can imagine and interrupts the match, claiming he just steamrolled every other opponent he faced
>ork and tyranid players accept challenge and face this insufferable faggot while still fighting each other
>khornefag grows increasingly frustrated as his cheeselist gets stalemated
>suddenly packs up all of his models and claims his mom is here and he has to leave
>counts all the slain models in his army as victory points for him since "le blood for de blud God!"
>khornefag claims he won despite both orks and tyranid armies still being on the table while he is nowhere to be seen
>ork and tyranid players gentlemanly agree to call it a draw
>NUH-UH YOU FAGGOTS DIDNT WIPE OUT MY WHOLE ARMY AND I KNOW I LEFT AND FAILED TO WIPE OUT YOUR ARMIES EITHER BUT YOU LOST!

This is why chaosfags are the worst

How's the First Strike starter set?

>>55381490
I like Winters SEO desu, he gives a calm voiceover throwing in some dramatics to give a bit of flair over just dry dicerolls and generally gets some alright dudes on to play against.

FLG guys are right
Death Guard is a funny name. Sounds like a slow emo was asked to name it.
Hmm :thinking:

>>55381464
Not even a IG player but yes.

>>55381464
Doctrines and multiple Demo charges would be nice, otherwise I hope they have the option to be Troops again. It is hard for me to justify using Veterans when Scions are troops and command squads are also Elites.

>>55381516
what a faggot

Any way to deal with flyers as space marines? (Without just running 13 storm ravens)

I keep getting shat all over by flyers I can do nothing about.

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>>55381516
Chaos has always been like that, even in "official" shit. They show up, win a few battles, lose the war, declare victory and bounce.
When was the last time a campaign had the Imperium truly on the offensive? It's always set up so when Chaos gets made airtight by the gorillion Marine players the chaosfags can still go "well we invaded and got a foothold on the planet durr hurr, the fighting continues."

>>55381559
Shoot them

>>55381516
You have been replied to in the previous thread. Chaos won. Orks too and Tyranids straight out lost.

You could not debunk this. You are a loser and a salty bitch as I said in the other thread.

>>55381463
Baneblades don't need Grinding Advance though.

>>55381454
Forge World still sells the Shotgun Kit, so GW has no reason to dump Shotgun Vets.

>>55381405
Squatted and replaced with a more interesting army

I just realized that since Enginseers are now HQs I can easily make a detachment of basilisks or other arty for an Ordo Reductor list.

>>55381435
But how are you going to model all the COCAAAAAAAAIIIIIINE?

>>55381544
>Doctrines
You're dreaming. You'll get cookie cutter regiments and you'll like it!

>>55381574
>Horus completely obliterated, all chaos forces routed from terra and mars, traitors asses kicked all the way back to the eye of terror
>chaos claims this as a victory because they ruined the imperium and condemned it to a slow decline

>Fagnus BTFO by a dreadnought
>chaosfags claim victory because they ruined the space wolves chance as successor chapters

>Fagnus brings his whole legion to fenris, has 7 year old kid level forecefield spell that makes him immune to all imperial weapons, still gets rekt by a chapter master with a khorne axe and grey knights, fenris cleared of taint in years and space wolves come back even stronger after primaris marines
>chaos claims this was a victory because they teleported their planet into real space

I bet DG fags are gonna claim Morty won at ultramar because they spread a bunch of disease, even though he ran away like a bitch under the cover of virus bombs when he faced guilliman

>>55381478
>non-monopose flayed ones with customizable corpse attachments and stuffs
GW please

>>55381544
I doubt doctrines will be a thing from the way the other codexes have looked. They might get expanded wargear options and a couple of stratagems to represent doctrines.

>>55381643
He could probably use Valhallan blizzard to create a trail of it or something along those lines

>>55381574
During the Konor campaign I ran into a few chaosfags that argued that chaos shouldn't have to get to 50% to control an area because "they just want to watch the galaxy burn, all they have to do is cause damage to win".

>>55381618
It was a draw. This whole chaos won, orks and tyranids lost shit was debunked months ago. You are the salty faggot who can't even accept a draw when 99.9% of them mood crusades battles were crushing victories. You've said literally nothing that would convince anyone that chaos or tyranids outright lost the battle. Nothing.

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>>55381643
What do you think all the mounds on the base are for anon? It's not snow flock....

>>55381656
>>chaos claims this as a victory because they ruined the imperium and condemned it to a slow decline

Actually, the Chaos Gods claimed victory by destroying the Webway and defeating the Emperor. It's outright said that they don't care for Horus's little war. He was but a distraction.

They meant for another to usher in the End Times and his name is Abaddon.

>Magnus

He sucked always did but we see here that you lied. You should be punished for that.

>fenris cleared of taint in years and space wolves come back even stronger after primaris marines

Magnus tainted the populations of Fenris with taint of mutation and madness. The taint will never go away as long as the people of Fenris live. It's an evil seed that will spread into the ranks of the Space Wolves and doom them eventually as their ranks are filled with madmen and true ticking bomb mutants.

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>>55381676
What? They sound like a bunch of idiots. Why do I have to be associated with so many WAACfags and autists just to play cool looking dudes?

>>55381676
So you met ADB?

>>55381688
>t. Carnac

>>55381680
I am willing to accept a draw, idiot. I am arguing against the idiot that's saying that the Blood Crusade lost.

>You've said

Go back to the old thread.

How angery would you bois be if someone showed up with a fully painted angry marines army and said "up for a quick game?"

Cuz I am actually going to do this. No jokes.

>>55381695
You mean GW. You want me to copypasta the lore from Wrath of Magnus or the text from MoM?

>>55381680
*orks or tyranids. Literally nowhere in the fluff does it say the Xenos lost, or even imply they lost. You have a very retarded definition of loss if you think a force completely leaving the battlefield counts as a win while the 2 forces who were originally there, and their commanders, are both left standing to continue the octarius war but somehow lost. Accept it was a draw or stay assblasted. It really makes no difference to me what you chose as headcanon

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Hey guys. I recently started playing warhammer and I painted my first figure today. What do you guys think?

>>55381700
As long as they're well painted and didn't look like their flesh was sloughing off then I wouldn't give a shit.

>>55381695
Of course it's Carnac, anon. Just by saying "you're a liar so you need to be punished" or anything close to an accusation of lying followed by a desire for "justice" it becomes clear that it's him.

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>>55381682

>>55381711
The helmet is a bit boring with just a solid color. At least do some highlights or something with the eyes.

>>55381711
Looks fairly decent, though the eyes seem unpainted and the base could also use some painting. Can't really tell if there are mold-lines.

>>55381711
decent

>>55381714
But he is a liar. Are you willing to take up the burden of his lies? Because I am gonna copypasta the text in a few minutes.

>>55381712
I am not welcome there after the trap wars.

>>55381724
>>55381729
I did the eyes in gold but its not really visible with this lighting

>>55381713
So how do you do a ylw scheme? Because I understand that this is a legitimate thing that happens, and I want my guys to be somewhat appreciable

>>55381734
>I am not welcome there after the trap wars.
Why would Traps be on /lgbt/ anyway?

Replying to Carnac should be a bannable offense, it does nothing but shit up threads. No matter how
Many times he's proven wrong he'll just lie and spout his headcanon as absolute truth.

>>55381722
Obviously. I'm just trying to point out that with how he says things alone you can tell, even if he's not talking about "end times this, end times that"
>>55381734
I'm not saying anything about the substance of your statements, Carnac. Stop trying to jump onto me and cause arguments.

>>55381747
>implying it wouldn't be simpler to ban Carnac and be done with it.

>>55381435
You managed to capture the pose from that old piece of fan art perfectly...
Which is also the pose for The Chad Stride.
10/10

>>55381739
Prime white, yellow or tan.

>>55381735
Ah, alrighty then. I guess it would probably be better to see it in person. Again though, I'd recommend doing the base and then maybe cleaning the edge of the base. It'd really help, and make that special base not go to waste.

>>55381633
Pretty clever joke.
I remember the power, it was like a large blast template in combat right?
Always thought it was a bit of a risky name.

Could anyone with a Space Marine codex let me know if any special rules for Black Templar are in it, or will they be getting their own edition?

>>55381805
Black Templars are in the SM codex as usual.

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>>55381698
>I am willing to accept the draw

Oh that's funny, because just a few posts earlier you said

>>55381618
>Chaos won. Orks too and Tyranids straight out lost

As a response to a post calling the battle a draw.

Don't even need more copypastas for this one, Carnac caught lying again despite throwing a bitchfit over other people lying. Not only is he a liar but also a hypocrite and he deserves to be punished.

>>55381749
Because you are a coward more willing to muddy the waters instead of engaging in proper gentlemanly discussion. Anyways....

>There were those born of Fenris, yet not taken into the ranks of the Sky Warriors, who somehow overcame the Daemon interlopers that hurled fire and damnation into their midst. Whether by fieldcraft, stealth or might of arms they had wrested victory against the odds, but they were forever changed. Veteran huscarls walked back to their kin with axes held loosely and a blank stare in their eyes. Glory-hungry youths were ravaged horribly by what they saw. Shieldmaidens slunk as stooped as crones to sleepless beds. These were the lucky ones, for they were at least sound in body if not in mind.

>So profound and powerful were the energies of change that roiled across the planet that those mortals touched directly by Tzeentch’s fires underwent terrible transformations. Gangling mutations erupted from bronzed and weather-beaten flesh, eyes bulged from armpits and backs, and crests of feathers and quills ran down shaven scalps and shoulders. Some lost their cohesion of form altogether, reshaped into horrible spawn-things that defied description and damaged the sanity of all who witnessed their transformation. Those born under the unnatural skies were monstrous. Even those who seemed clean of limb, when given the birth-axe, not only grasped the weapon – as was only right and favoured – but used it to hack away at their shocked parents’ hands. Who knows how many young Fenrisian warriors who appeared whole and sound would grow with a hidden seed of change planted inside them that would one day bear shocking fruit.

>>55381807
Thanks, after posting this I suddenly realised how retarded it was not checking 1d4chan first.

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>>55381711
Better than mine.

>>55381812
So much for
>The taint will never go away as long as the people of Fenris live.

>>55381809
In response to the guy saying Blood Crusade. If they want to continue we can analyse what was gained and what was lost. Only Chaos and Orks fgained from the conflict. The Tyranids got NOZING.

And stop lying. I am in the middle of disprving your earlier lie.

>>55381812
>The Fenrisian tribes had been cursed. It was a calculated and deliberate bane sent upon them by Magnus the Red, for his Legion had been riddled by the flesh-change long ago; in part that was the very reason they had sought to master the arts that saw them persecuted. The rampant mutation did not go unnoticed by the agents of the Ordo Hereticus still monitoring the Fenris System for traces of Chaos taint. In the darkness of secret psykana sanctums, astropathic missives were sent screaming out across the void.

Woofs have the Flesh Change now. Hurrah for irony!

>>55381747
>Many times he's proven wrong he'll just lie and spout his headcanon as absolute truth.

Not as close as many times you were proven liars!

>>55381826
So much for being patient.

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Rolled 1, 4 = 5 (2d6)

>>55381812
>just trying to point out that you usually mention certain things when trying to say others are wrong, which is most of the time, without arguing against you or anything
>get insulted for not entering an argument I wasn't trying to join
Fuck off and die, Carnac. I cast smite.

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>>55381854

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Trying to decide on my next Chaos warband. dubs decide which Traitor Legion I go.

>>55381854
Like I said muddying the waters. A deplorable tactic. You are scum, sir!

Start a New thread. Carnac has already shit this one up.

>>55381877
The Armless Legion

Rolled 4, 5 = 9 (2d6)

>>55381849
Supporting >>55381854 in casting Smite.

>>55381896
What's stopping him from jumping into the next one?

>>55381676
I had a guy arguing that the Imperium didnt really win because they lost three 'important' planets and chaos did because of the destruction they caused.

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>>55381711

Better than my first figure.

Rolled 5 + 1 (1d6 + 1)

>>55381908
Success, d6+1 Mortal wounds due to Pandemic Staff's + 1 on Psychic tests.

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>>55381900
So Black Legion it is.

>>55381911
He is kinda right, The daemon world that resulted from the first Chaos victory is said to be the doom of the system.

>>55381921
The +1 to psychic tests doesn't add an extra mortal wound.

>>55381866
>>55381921
5+1+2=8 Mortal Wounds

Begone Carnac

>>55381877
IW

>>55381909
He has no power if people don't reply to him, and that octarius post was baiting him in here.

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>>55381908
>9 to cast
>>55381930
Nice.

>>55381929
Yeah, but the Malignant Plaguecaster deals 1 Mortal Wound when their test gets 7 or more.

>>55381849
>Woofs have the Flesh Change now. Hurrah for irony!
No, it says the Fenrisians do, just the mortals on the planet. Not the existing marines.
They aren't going to recruit anyone with a hint of uncontrolled mutation, and the Rune Priests will be able to see those who "would grow with a hidden seed of change planted inside them"

It does mean that this SEVERELY limits the recruiting power of the Space Wolves.
Good thing Cawl provided them with Primaris from before this all went down.

>>55381826
>The taint will never go away as long as carnac goes untreated for his autism.

>>55381942
>They aren't going to recruit anyone with a hint of uncontrolled mutation, and the Rune Priests will be able to see those who "would grow with a hidden seed of change planted inside them"

The mutation is not just physical as the text says. It's both mental and/or physical. And you thinking that the Space Wolves will be able to detect all of the corrupted is ludicrous.

As we know, the Wolves can only recruit from Fenris. And as not many know, the Primaris Woofs are angsting over the prospect of being unaccepted by the Space Woofs due to Canis whatever in them.

>have a bunch of shit
>don't have the will to assemble it
>don't have the motivation to paint what I have
>only have 5 termies, 5 Marines, and a rhino painted
>have another 20 or so Marines, 5 more termies, a Prince, a lord, sorcerer, and raptors assembled or mostly assembled
>have even more unassembled
This is such a shit feeling, and I'm thinking about just packing them up so I don't have to look at them. Hell, I'm thinking about just selling them and and moving on.

What do?

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>>55381965
Fuck it, time to bring in the Big Guns. I roll smite for Magnus

What sort of relics do you think we might see in the Thousand Sons codex? Warlord traits?

>>55381965
FURTHERMORE, we know for a fact that the Alpha Legion used their brand of hypo-control on the population of space marine chapter recruiting world. When the marine chapter was full of recruited compromised by the Alpha Legion, the Alpha Legion triggered their hypo-control and took over the marine chapter.

So we know there is a precedence to marine recruitment being not perfect and being used to doom a chapter.

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>>55381984
Boom, 2d6 Mortal Wounds

>>55381997
Oh shiiiiiiit

>>55381405
A new kit for infantry squads

>>55381997
And we now have 5+1+2+8=16 Mortal Wounds. Carnac, you're dead.

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>>55381942
He didn't even post the ending of WoM where the grey knights load up all the tainted tribesmen to execute them , or when it literally states the chaos corruption infecting the planet is burned away and the wolf spirit made whole, or when the nightmares started fading away. What. A. Faggot.

>>55381985

>The dick of magus: Force mace with +4 strength and replenishes 2d6 lost brimstones
>The Red Sac: nearby Brimstone horrors get +1 to cast rolls
>Red Flesh Taint: when this character successfully manifests a power, it suffer 1 mortal wound and summons 4d6 brimstones

>>55381965
I didn't mean literally see a physical things. Rune Priests are equivalents of psykers and they can sense the warp. Would it not make sense to have them have a heavy involvement in the recruitment process to sniff out corruption?

It does mean that instead of getting 100 potential recruits it might be a couple potential recruits. Heavily damaging.

Also source on Primaris being unaccepted please? Sounds potentially interesting and I'd love to have a read.

>>55382011
Except for the fact that Grey Knights couldn't have taken them all. Now you motherfucking piece of shit, the text says that some of the children born during the events turned mad and murdered their parents when they were given their birthday axes. Now Wrath of Magnus happened in 999 41M and ended in 999 41M before the Fall of Cadia. So unless the people of Fenris hand newborns axes, then these corrupted children spent years among their families long after the Grey Knight purges and the "healing" of Fenris. So how old would a Fenris child need to be to be given a birthday axe? 8? 10? 12?

>>55381985
>Smite gets +1 to cast vs buildings

>>55382026
As much of a shitpost as this is, I think a relic that causes minor daemons like brimstones to pop out under certain circumstances would actually be pretty neat. Never even considered that a potential idea until now.

How many threads have been shit up by chaos now? I've lost count

>>55382031
It's illogical for them to detect every rotten apple.

>Also source on Primaris being unaccepted please? Sounds potentially interesting and I'd love to have a read.

"Dark Imperium".

>>55382048
The only issue with that is under the current rules you would have to pay for those Brimstones. Unless they made them like Poxwalkers.

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Rolled 6, 2, 6, 2, 5, 5 = 26 (6d6)

Rolling for Nurgle

>>55382031
>Also source on Primaris being unaccepted please? Sounds potentially interesting and I'd love to have a read.

Its not much, but there is a brief mention of it in the Space Marine Codex

>The Wolfspear were among the Primaris Space Marine Chapters created during the Ultima Founding at the direct order of Roboute Guilliman and were created after the conclusion of the Indomitus Crusade. The Chapter was then charged by Guilliman with guarding the Pit of Raukos from any future Chaos incursions - to the dismay of some members of the Wolfspear, who had hoped to continue fighting on the front-lines against the Imperium's enemies. Further clouding the minds of the Chapter is that although the Space Wolves have allowed Primaris Space Marines into their ranks, it is not known if they will accept the Wolfspear as true Sons of Russ.

>>55382059
"Worried that they may not be fully accepted as Sons of Russ" =/= "Unaccepted"

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>>55382046
>he thinks they don't give newborns axes on fenris

>>55382081
Torgan the festering.

Cool.

>>55382094
No

Rolled 6, 1, 3, 3, 5, 4 = 22 (6d6)

>>55382081
Roll for Slaanesh Sorcerer

>>55382073
Way too many to count. Really wish I didn't have to be associated with fags like Carnac or cheetah.
>>55382078
Yeah, you're probably right. As neat as it'd be to things like summoning even one brimstone on a really lucky smite or other power, they probably wouldn't do something like that anyways.

>>55382081
>62, 62, 55
>Torgan the Festering
Nice

>>55382089
>Primaris made from Russ's geneseed are in the normal marines codex

For what purpose?

reminder that tg would be the best board on 4chan if Carnac was banned/slipped while fucking himself with his 3 foot long belicuck dildo and impaled himself and died

So what's the consensus on metalica?

>>55382137
I'm pretty sure Carnac has Disgustingly Resilient, so 1/3 chance of surviving that fall.

>>55382120
Actually makes a certain amount of sense for now, in that supposedly they Ultima Founding Chapters are all free of the amusing little eccentricities of their founders, like the Red Thirst, and that they're presumably uniformly equipped with Cawltech gear instead of having access to say the Fenris vault of Icewolffangpelt gear. So mechically they'd play like Codex Marines. I'm sure that will change over time.

>>55382141
Pretty meh. Mars still seems better.

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>>55382002

very meh

>>55382154
My thoughts exactly. Don't really mind since Mars is best planetfu. Though I paint my Martians green.

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>>55382145
>Carnac has Disgustingly Resilient

Are brimstones still OP pls nerf?

>>55382169
So long as they have the only named character Mars will probably be the go to dogma, especially when the Martian rules are pretty clearly created to work with Cawl.

>>55382169
I really want to know what Ryza does. Though I will still be playing Mars because Cawl. Would it really kill them to put in more HQ's? Techpriests don't count, really.

If Carnac were ever, hypothetically, to be ascended into an undivided daemon prince would he kill himself?

>>55382189
Knowing Ryza
>Plasma Weapons get a FNP against Gets Hot

>>55382198
Their stratagem will likely focus around plasma, but the dogmas and such won't be specific to any one type of weapon.

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What's the best way to get into 40K?

the first strike box set? the Easy to build sets?

>>55382197
Still waiting for him to suicide once Perturabo and lorgar are undeniably confirmed as undivided daemon primarchs, even though they already said this in the CSM codex

>>55382046
Hey everyone! Check out this guy. he's super angry about the most worthless lore skub. What a fucking loser.

>>55382221
Start collecting boxes.

>>55382197
>>55382219
Wait, so do Lorgar and Pert just not exist in Carnac's mind?

>>55382221
Just know that this game gives you a plastic addiction worse than an addiction to Crack Cocain

>>55382059
>It's illogical for them to detect every rotten apple.

>Not paying massive fucking attention to detail when you know a potential majority of your recruitment people were tainted.
>Even if one or two get through, this means "The space wolves have the flesh change!!!!"
The flesh change was something that plagued an entire chapter.
Can't tell if this is moving goalposts or a strawman.

I've conceded the Thousand Sons managed to have a devastating impact of Fenris's population and by proxy the ability of reinforcement of the space wolves going forward.

If you're going to fuck someone's daughter, don't jizz on their carpet too.

>>55382226
He says in a 40K general thread....

>>55382221
Depends what faction/army you want to play.

For something like Tyranids or Admech, you want to go after the Start Collecting! boxes. They'll save you money and give you a good starting force to build on.

If you want to start a Space Marine army and want to also play with a friend, Dark Imperium is a great deal.

>>55382221
If you want death guard there's no good way to get in yet, wait until we get all DG units so there may be an SC!. in any other case just go SC!

I'm fresh back into the hobby and want to start up a new army
I've only played a couple of games with my ancient (3rd ed) Dark eldar vs marines so far so I'm not sure how all the armies work but I've had a look though the index and rules and this is what I've come up with as a fluffy but hopefully viable list (the plan is to be able swap out the GKs for equivalent Deathwatch or Sisters over time but I'll start with GK because cheap)

are there any glaring errors here?

+++ Ordo Malleus Strike Team [78 PL, 1498pts] +++

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Grey Knights) ++

Grey Knight Chaplain: 4: First to the Fray, Purge Soul, Storm bolter, Warlord

Apothecary: Nemesis Force Sword, Sanctuary
Paladin Ancient: Storm Bolter and Falchion, Vortex of Doom
Paladin Squad: Hammerhand
. 2x Paladin w/ Daemon Hammer
. Paragon w/ Daemon Hammer

Stormraven Gunship: 2x Stormstrike Missile Launcher, Twin Assault Cannon, Twin Heavy Bolter, Two Hurricane Bolters

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Astra Militarum) ++

+ HQ +

2x Tempestor Prime: Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

2x Militarum Tempestus Scions
. Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun 2x Meltagun, Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

2x Militarum Tempestus Scions
. Scion: 2x Hot-shot Lasgun 2x Hot-shot Volley Gun, Tempestor: Chainsword, Hot-shot Laspistol

2x Militarum Tempestus Command Squad
. Tempestus Scion: 2x Plasma gun, medi pack, 2x Hot-shot Lasgun

. Vulture Gunship: Heavy bolter, Twin Punisher Gatling Cannons

>>55382221

The boxsets are usually a pretty good deal, Dark Imperium especially if someone else wants Primaris/DG and is willing to split

>>55382256
Sorry but the Index Chaos says that ONLY Be'lakor is unique among the Daemon Prince brotherhood as being the one without a single master. Be'lakor is beholden to all the Chaos Gods this is what grants him his freedom as well as his bondage.

>>55381711
The gun seems to lack shading and the whole mini could use highlights.
Definitely looks good enough for playing tabletop

>>55381745
Because traps are gay and so are you

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>>55382256
>reincarnated as a daemon prince by the ruinous powerS.
carnac will actually try to disprove this

>>55382268
>Completely ignoring the CSM Codex, which is more recent
Do we need to smite thee again, Carnac?

>>55382288
HAHAHAHAH. See here >>55382292

They are Daemon Princes as such they singular daemon princes because ONLY Be'lakor has no single master.

>>55382264
Sadly for me, my brother has expressed interest only in necrons

>>55382277
>vultures
why not? are they broken or are you just not a fan? they look really good for the points but I've not looked at too many other armies to see what the equivalents are

>>55381446
What, the comic? Yeah it's worth a read if you don't mind the nazi asspulls to stop them getting rolled. Also has Super-Patton and Super-Turing.

>>55382294
>GW studio contradicting itself within the same edition in a span of one month

Unlikely.

>>55382246
I'm not the one who called someone "a motherfucking piece of shit" because that person hadn't read a BL novel and memorised exact years of fictional events.

>>55382312
It did though.

>>55382313
Shutup you motherfucking piece of shit!

>>55382301
You actually used that picture to try to prove your point? Holy shit you are more retarded than I imagined, Carnac, you have absolutely no reading comprehension. SAD!

>>55382319
>SAD!
>Using Trump quotes
Fuck of back to /pol/

>>55382313
No, I am the one who is arguing with a guy who screenied text trying to disprove me while failing to read and understand the context of my copypasta.

Not only that. He unironically used a homophobic slur again me, that fgt.

Answer: Belakor is unique, the other primarchs are beholden to a single God.

Perturabo to Khorne or Slaanesh.

Lorgar to Tzeentch.

Anyone else okay with Primarchs but just wish other players had an equivalent options if you don't play that legion or Ultramarines or whatever?

Like, make the fucking Chaper Master somewhat equal to a Primarch for the 3 CP it costs. Let Daemons or CSM have a 1 per army Greater Daemon or Daemon Prince that can go toe to toe with them. Make C'tan as good as it used to be, or similar to Magnus. Make the Eldar Avatar good.

>>55382330
Citation Needed.

>>55382141
/40kg/ couldn't come to a consensus on whether water is wet or not, so stop asking for one.
In my opinion metalica is nice considering it makes your stuff more mobile, but it can't hold a candle to Graia and their Emotionless Clarity trait.

>>55382319
Among the thousands of retarded things that passed me by in this board, I gotta give credit to the morons who keep insisting that Daemon Primarchs are not daemon princes despite all the text saying that they are.

.A MIGHTY DAEMON PRINCE

Who is singular since Be'lakor is the only guy without a single master. GW wouldn't write that down to change it a month later.

>>55382333
Charging an appropriate power/point cost would be fine

>>55382344
Index Chaos.

It says that Be'lakor alone has the strength not to have a single master.

>>55382344
Speculation mostly, though the novel Tallarn hints that Perturabo is a Slaanesh DP

Also the Chaos Codex is contradictory. It does say belakor is unique while not addressing Lorgar and pert.

Blame GW for poor and inconsistent writing.

>>55382374
That is superceded by Codex: Chaos Space Marines, which states that Pert and Lorgar are undivided.

>>55382333
I don't want an equivelent, just fair costs.
I just dislike how all of them are melee focused so far, but that will change with IW and AL... right?

>>55382385
which part?

>>55382358
>>55382374
>GW wouldn't write that down to change it a month later.
Codex>Index
Newest source takes priority.

>>55382387
He uses it as a weapon, doesn't mean he personally created the Nurgle virus.

My GW recently had it's birthday and I got the Primaris Captain with power fist because why not. Question is, is he even worth running? I'm thinking about running a second captain as Raven Guard to infiltrate with Hellblasters, Aggressors, and Reivers, just not sure if the fist guy is any better or worse than the rifle + sword captain.

>>55382402
If he did he wouldn't be posting.

>>55382401
The PF guy has a Plasma Pistol right? And the fist is good if you need more Str.

>ADB will be "working" at his PC around this time of day, trying to write a story
>Carnac is shitposting at the same time
This is not a coincidence

>>55382402
You don't need to have no allegiance to lead an undivided Warband.

In the Night Lords novels, the NL Warband is led by a Tzeentch DP who has Slaanesh and Khorne worshippers in his Warband.

>>55382401
He should be alright; Power Fists are respectable in this edition. I think he'd go well alongside from Boltstorm Aggressors or Reivers, as they can deal with Infantry and he can punch out tanks and monsters.

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>>55382385
The Traitor Legions codex that came before the Index Chaos says pretty much the same as in the CSM codex (picture related). Came the Index Chaos and reaffirmed that only Be'lakor is Undivided. So clearly someone didn't get the Be'lakor memo yet at GW.

>>55382401
If it's just for the aura, no. If you want him to actually hit things, it's alright. The model is worth at least double what you paid for it on eBay so it's not like you lost out.

>>55382342
ah okay, it it just the punisher load-out or all of them? I sort of fancied having an Apache style one with rocket pods and HK missiles as a second option.
I'll think about the load out for the normal paladins, I figured 4+ with re-rolls would be good enough but will take your advice one board
Completely forgot about warding staves, will do that thanks.

>>55382419
This actually makes sense.
>>55382426
Alternatively, the guy who wrote the Index didn't get the memo.

>>55382402
Magnus did the same in Fenris.

>>55382418
Yeah, he has a plasma pistol.

>>55382424
I also figured letting the Hellblasters overcharge safer will also be terrifying. I'll have 10 Hellblasters infiltrating.

>>55382427
Mostly the aura, but to help beat people up too.

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>>55381516
>The primary and often sole ork objective for a battle is to have a right gud scrap
>have a right gud scrap
Even if you get tabled, the enemies were clearly so 'ard that they killed you, meaning the fight was obviously proper good and intense.
Orks win everytime, anyone who claims otherwise is wrong.

>>55382429
This is some autistic sophistry from you.

The wording is open to both interpretations, not just yours.

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>>55382439
>>55382395
So you are saying that once the Daemon dex eventually drops and it reaffirms Be'lakor's status as the only prince of Undivided, you will accept it?

>>55382447
It's better to take barebones if you want an aura bitch in your army.

>>55382455
If it does, yes.
>>55382447
If you want Overcharging Hellblasters, try using a Rhino Primaris. It gives them a +1 to Hit, so they can't roll a 1 ever.

have any ork-anon's tried converting Flash Gitz out of Nob bodies + Loota weapon arms??

Nobz are cheap lately, & I'm planning on buying the Burnas/Lootas kit for some free Kommando flamethrowers . . .

>>55382455
I will, but you have to agree to stop talking about this until it does

>>55382426
>>55382439
Since when do GW writers read memo, or communicate at all?

Evidence suggest they get a assignment by drawing lots, write their shit in sollitary cubicles, submit the content in a sealed envelope to a editor that staples it all together with his eyes closed and then ship it to the printer.

Only after the books are printed and the entire studio is at Bugmans getting plastered do they talk to one another.

>>55382467
>>55382462
I'll take you on your words, gentlemen.

>>55382455
Going by your rules, If the codex drops and specificly states that there are not, have not and will nevet be and other undivided daemon princes or primarchs.
Zero wiggle room, zero interpretation.

Orherwise we'll do a Carnac and decide on the meaning before reading.

>>55382464
Id probably just build the nobs with the shootas they come with, but add all sorts of improbable barrels and ammo belts coming off them

>>55382475
The issue is that there is a contradiction in the fluff.

The 'Carnac' answer at least solves it.

Those who autisically claim that Lorgar and Perturabo are just regular old DPs have no answer to the Chaos index which clearly states that Belakor is unique.

>>55382455
Yes, because it will be actual current lore and I'm not an insufferable trap sucker like you. But until they address the issue of Lorgar and pert, they are undivided

>>55382497
>The issue is that there is a contradiction in the fluff.
New fluff always takes precedence. The Codex is more recent so it is correct.

>>55382497
>autistically
It's literally stated in the current fluff, and before index chaos, undivided daemon Princes weren't even an issue.

>>55382468
ah okay, thank you. Halberds plus hammer hand is probably a better idea then

>>55382486
>>55382499

Doesn't need to. The new codex just needs to say that "Be'lakor has no single master" and it's curtains for Lorgar and Pert until the next edition

>>55381406
Only if they get a new boyz kit.......so no.

>>55382515
>"Be'lakor has no single master"
Doesn't mean that there are no others with no single master, just that Be'lakor doesn't have one.

All this Chaos shitflinging feeds Malal.

>>55382515
There you go again, shifting the goal posts. Keep this up and you invalidate the deal. Belawhore having no single master, but there being nothing about him being the only undivided daemon. Prince, does not prove you right.

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Could I get some feedback on this intercessor sergeant? I think I went a bit overboard on the battle damage but am otherwise happy with how it turned out.

>>55382515
Nice try. That doesn't preclude others from having no single master. If it says "Be'lakor is the only undivided daemon prince" then you'll be right.

>>55382522
Forgot to add in the other text from index which goes like this "ONLY BE'LAKOR IS UNIQUE BY HAVING NO SINGLE MASTER"

>>55382518

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09vVF-Hvykg

My headcanon says that Lorgar is a Tzeentch DP while Perturabo is a Slaanesh one, and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

>>55382530
>Malal
He doesn't exist, shut up about it.

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>>55382538

>>55382534
>>55382540
I did not shift goals or posts. See >>55382541

>>55382547
My headcanon says that Chaos fails at everything and there is nothing you can do to stop it.
>>55382538
>>55382549
He looks awesome imo

>>55382541
OMG NO UNDIVIDED LORDS OR WARBANDS¡¡¡

The yncarne charges girlyman inside his cage of dudes; who wins? We'll assume he made the charge off his soulburst so no double fighting or psychic

>>55382541
So Abaddon, Horus, etc were/are sworn to a single god then?

>>55382538
I feel there is too much mud on him considering. He is like 9 feet tall.

My headcanon says chaos is played up as propaganda and Tyranids and orks are the biggest threats to the setting. My headcanon also say the blood crusade got BTFO on octarius and kharn had to be brought back to life after being dog piled by tens of thousands of grotz. Deal with it ;)

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>>55382560
Undivided mortals =/= Undivided Daemons.

The most damning thing for your guys position is that Path of Glory doesn't enable the players to seek Undivided Pricedoom.

Anyways, have more damnation. This text will be copypasted from the index into the new codex. You can't stop it. You will not ruin Be'lakor.

>>55382549
Drill the barrel and add more mud to the base, it looks too sparse in comparison to the amount on his leg. Otherwise it looks good to me.

>>55382582
>This text will be copypasted from the index into the new codex.
Maybe. But until the new Codex comes out we are the ones with the current fluff on our side.

>>55382582
why do you like belakor so much anyway

>>55382569
Are they Daemon Princes? No? Then you speak irrelevances, Iskandor

>>55382593
Doesn't matter
>"ONLY BE'LAKOR IS UNIQUE BY HAVING NO SINGLE MASTER"
means that no other being has more than one master.

>>55382589
>current fluff
That's historically been discarded whenever Belly-kun is mentioned. Don't fret.

>>55382582
That doesn't really say he's unique in having no master, it just says that he is different and has no master.

>>55382597
I'm on the opposite side of the argument but to be fair that line of text is clearly in the context of daemon princes. You're illiterate if you can't see that.

>>55382597
Read >>55382582

Unique in the brotherhood of DAEMON PRINCES!

>>55382603
It says he has NO SINGLE MASTER. Picture related. Be'lakor has all the Chaos Gods as his masters. He answers to them all.

>>55382590
Cus he is cool.

>>55382610
The full quote is, but Carnac is renowned for snipping words and senteces as evidence ignoring context, punctuation and tense.

>>55382621
So you were only pretending to be retarded?

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>>55382620
forgot my picture.

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Fuck
Marry
Kill

Gooo

>>55382620
>"One amongst this Dark Brotherhood....."
That just means he is one of those with no single master. It does not say:
>"ONLY one amongst this Dark Brotherhood...."
Checkmate, Carnac

>>55382625
I was playing at his own game.

>>55382620
>It says he has NO SINGLE MASTER. Picture related. Be'lakor has all the Chaos Gods as his masters. He answers to them all.

And yet it still doesn't actually state that he is unique in being a DP of undivided.

>>55382631
>Inb4 someone posts the real image of Laura

>>55382635
No, you damn non-english. You got it completely wrong and I think on purpose.

The Dark Brotherhood refers to the daemon princes as a whole in which Be'lakor being the one who stands different as being without a single master. He is the only one different.

>>55382657
Yes, the Dark Brotherhood is all the Daemon Princes, but where does it say he is the ONLY one different?

>>55382657
He stands out as being different because of his power and his origin, not his having multiple masters.

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>>55382586
i usually do a second coat on the base to look like they've sunk into the mud a bit like on this centurion, what do you advise I use for drilling barrels?

>>55382538
>>55382549
What red do you use, is it washed with anything

>>55382651
>first paragraph takes on how daemon princes are beholden to one god or other
second paragraph starts with "One amongst this Dark Brotherhood.is different from the rest...."

Nah, brah. You tripping.

>>55382667
What a terrible model.

Paintjob is good but comes nowhere near to save it.

>>55382677
>"One amongst this Dark Brotherhood.is different from the rest...."
>"One amongst"
Not
>"ONLY one amongst"
Therefore it doesn't mean that he is the only one with multiple masters, just that he is one of the ones with multiple masters.

>>55382662
>>55382664
See >>55382677

You guys are trying too hard. ONE AMONGST THEM IS DIFFERENT, HAVING NO SINGLE MASTER.

>>55382668
mephiston red
heavy drybrush wild rider red
very liberal wash of carroburg crimson

>>55382689
See >>55382688, it never says he is the only one, just one of those with no single master.

>>55382689
different ≠ unique

>>55382688
You do know the rest includes Lorgar and Pert, right?

>>55382680
The centurions are actually a guilty pleasure of mine, i really enjoy the model despite the sillyness

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>>55381435
noice work

>>55382667
Google "hand drill"

or you can buy GW overpriced drill if you can't google

>>55382644
*I* was, dunno what you're up to.

>>55382698
Different from the rest = unique. What makes him different is his status as being not slaved to a single master.

>>55382696
Your failure at English is getting tiresome.

>>55382700
Considering the CSM codex claims Logar and Pert are undivided it clearly doesn't include them.

Fulgurite Electro Priests with Skitarii Vanguard heads.

Yay or nay?

>>55382715
Don't go retroactive on me. It does include them in index text.

And in the future that text will be copy pasted in the daemon codex. I repeat, you don't get to ruin Be'lakor.

>>55382635
"Only one"
"The only one"
Very different.
S'why context matters and clip & paste argumenrs are the greatest cancer.

>>55382717
Helmets with shirtless bods would look kinda weird imo.

>>55382724
Where does it say it includes them?

>>55382724
>retroactive
>CSM codex is more recent

Also, I don't have to ruin him. He got ass fucked on the Phalanx and abandoned by his gods. He's already a shit character.

>>55382733
The rest = all the other daemon princes that are not Be'lakor.

One = Be'lakor

X = Not having a single master

This one is different from the text because of X.

Hey /tg/, what colour should my Drew Carey Kabal be? I'm open to literally any suggestion

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>>55382738
A mere setback.

"The gods will fall, and the warp will howl at the foot of my throne".

-Be'lakor promising the twilight of the gods

>>55382667
Yup the base looks properly done there. Look for a pin vise and 1mm, 1.5mm and 2mm drill bits. I use 1mm for lasguns/autoguns, 1.5 for bolters, 2mm for heavy bolters and the like. Tamiya makes good ones.

I have some bits that I'd like to make duplicates of, some are rare/OOP and others would require buying a whole kit just for one part. Does anyone know much about casting in resin? Alternatively, does anyone know of a cheap source of wheels/tracks/guns?

>>55381623
>Baneblades don't need Grinding Advance though.
Baneblades need the "im a superheavy and i can move and shoot if i want to" rule. Hitting on 5s when you move is fucking terrible... i think tanks in general need to be able to fall back and shoot though, a russ is too over costed when a rhino an just stop it shooting

>>55382815
They already have it, it's the TITANIC keyword.

So I kinda like skarbrand's model. So I want to build something fun around him. Should I go full daemons or world eaters with auxiliary detachment?

>>55382821
Sorry, where does it say that? I cant find anywhere that says they dont get negatives for moving and firing heavy weapons.

>>55382846
In the BRB

>>55382760
Dark red and bone.

Blood Ravens basically.

>>55382856
Do you have a page number of the rulebook that the rule is on?

>>55382856
Nothing in the BRB lets TITANIC models move and shoot without penalty. There's a reason Knights specifically have a rule that lets them move and shoot without penalty.

has the death guard codex been leaked yet?

>>55382302
Start Collecting Necrons box

>>55382913
Same answer as the last 40 times is was asked his week.
Bits and pieces, Winters SEO, Blood Of Kittens and MWG

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>>55382762
>A
>FUCKING
>ROCK

>>55382449
Pretty much the way I feel about playing orks

>>55382762
Small cuck just talking big
He's pathetic

>>55382631
Well my partner is called Laura, so she'd prolly be less mad if i cheated on her with someone with her name.
Thats how that works right?

>>55382979
P much none

>>55381464
>>55381544
Just make it so Scions don't get / prevent REGIMENT bonuses and to get SCION bonuses all units need The Militarium Tempestus tag.

>>55382991
>Laura
>horse
>Not Xenomorph
nigga please

>>55382979
Just get a recast one or pay the $30 scalper fee on eBay when you see one that sells for $65 instead of $100.

>>55382836
I'd go World Eaters, you can always expand them with more Daemons if you decide later.

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WHAT A TWIST

>>55382913
What do you wish to know my young negroid

>>55383002
I fap to female xenomorph porn and am offended by your statement.

>>55382950
Bits and pieces? Never heard of it. Can't find the channel either.

>>55382760
Grey and Gold

>>55382998
I actually wouldn't be surprised if Scions get their on tactics. They already can't get any other regiment bonuses because they can only take Militarum Tempestus as their regiment keyword.

>>55383017
Isnt her mouth right up your street?

also why no slutty pics of naomi? she looks hot.

>>55383017
I dont know what y'all niggas are going on about, I'd fuck Laura in a heartbeat

>>55382233
>Wait, so do Lorgar and Pert just not exist in Carnac's mind?
According to Carnac
Lorgar = Tzeentch Daemon Primarch
Pert = Nurgle Daemon Primarch

>>55383033
dude... we are on the internet clearly her knees are too pointy and that makes her so disgusting your dick shrivels at the mere thought of her reptilian features.

>>55382631
Naomi!!

>>55382998
>>55383026
i would thoroughly enjoy this

>>55383073
On the internet noone knows you are a <3

>>55383088
So you'd fuck, marry AND kill her?

I'll give you credit where it's due anon but..

>>55383104
It would a whirlwind romance, what can I say.

I missed that it was a choice fuck/marry/kill

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what a cheesy pose

So what's next after Mechanicus?

>>55383190
Craftworld Eldar, Nids, and Guard.

>>55383190
ELDAR

>>55383015
Shiiit, I remember when this came out, made me buy some of my first miniatures
Actually I already had some orks from when I was a kid but this kinda made me get into it again

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>>55383201
>>55383202
I just want the Ork codex so my Snazzguns can be assault APd6 again

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America here just waking up
Did I miss anything good?

>>55383220
Why would they make them APd6 when AP-4 is as good as it gets anymore?

>>55383236
Nope. You may return to your burger coma

>>55383242
There are AP-5 guns and if you want them to be random i guess thats why they would be like that.

>>55383189
>I throw my scythe up in the air sometimes. Saying "Ayo! Gotta let go!" I wanna celebrate and live my life. Saying "Ayo! Baby, let's go!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLqdRmwY6vc

Nurgle is all about that positivity.

>>55383242
>AP -4 is as good as it gets
>he can't run a S16 AP-5 D2d6 canon mounted on a T8 26 wound model
Must be a struggle to not be in the guard son

Is there any artwork of Night Lords using mkIII armour? Always thought that would suit them more as the armour looks more intimidating.

>>55383189
>Hey, let's ruin this model with a bunch of shitty looking smoke and bugs because how else are people going now it's Typhus?
>What an excellent idea!
t GW

>>55382794
If they are single-sides parts you can just use it oyumaru, just get yourself some smooth-on and try making a couple of simple 2-part molds, there are more stages to making a mold than I can go into here, but there's plenty of guides on YouTube and Pinterest.
The rubber for the mold is the pricey part, you can get huge bottles of resin fairly cheaply once you have a nice mold to put it in.

>>55382794
I also forgot, what kinda guns (vehicle/infantry and race) you looking for famalam?

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>>55383274
Here you go bud

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>>55383274
Honestly, I think MKIV looks best on them, but here's some MkIII

>>55383297
Thanks bud. The blood seeping out of the eye sockets looks pretty neat.
>>55383299
mkIV looks good, just more a fan of that chunky look.

Are the onslought gatling cannons on the redemptor and the repulsor the same size?

I've lost the end of the cannon for my repulsor in the carpet and am hoping to replace it when I get the redemptor.

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Have a game in a couple hours today with my guard
What underappreciated unit should I bring?

>>55383351
Sentinels and Taurus'

>>55383347
>I've lost the end of the cannon for my repulsor in the carpet

>>55383363

Yeah

End my fucking life

>>55383267
I've actually got a shadowsword sitting in my room, I just forgot about it being -5. But still, - 4 is about as good as its going to get on the vast majority of infantry carried weapons.

>>55383351
>>55383356
Sentinels did work in a game for me recently. I'm glad they're so cheap in points, they're about a dozen times better than they were in 7e.

>>55383372
All scout sentinels do for me is give the enemy first blood since I'm almost always going second as guard
Normal ones are basically heavy weapons teams that are harder to kill and can move in case of emergency, which is nice

>>55383367
>thin shirt/pantyhose+rubber band on vacuum cleaner nozzle
Should be able to find it easily

>>55383387

I've given that a go and couldn't find it, sadly

I think I'll do a proper vacuum tomorrow, it's my only hope

>>55383391
what kind of carpet are we talking about

>>55383189
To be fair though, it's damn hard to find a scythe pose that looks intimidating without being cheesy. The Deathshrouds have poses that aren't cheesy, but they all look like
>urgh, another fucking day on the field
And I'll take cheese over boredom any day of the week.

>>55383408
this

>>55383015
>tfw winter assault actually got me to care about imperial guard, and see them as more than just a joke
>they're now my second army

>>55383401

Just ordinary carpet, not shagpile or anything. The bit is absolutely fucking miniscule though