Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

>>55375388
This is probably the most likely scenario.
>inb4 B-but muh Rountree

The colors are so dull, and bland. Could you spice this painting up and make it vivid?

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Hot opinions on this list pls?

>>55376926
>sisters get buffs
>WAACfags buy overpriced metal models
>gw sees the boost in sister sales
>plastic sisters announced 2 months after buffs

A man can dream

>>55377045
Discord servers are the new "try my mixed tape"

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Hey guys, I'm out of the loop and haven't played 40k for a while...

Are Orks still the best race?

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>>55377068
>Are Orks still the best race?

>>55377068
Ye, dey still da best.

9th for what book should I start in the 40k lore?

>>55377068
Everywhere but the rules.

>>55377068
Green iz best!

So Orkz, Necrons, and IG are all the best.

>>55377086
Read anything previously?

>>55377086
Ciphas Cain, you need to appreciate the less serious side of 40k.

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No batrep this week, since my opponent had to respond to an emergency call and take off after 1 turn. Just dumping some pictures instead.

My theme this game was "on foot" - I wanted to field all the painted infantry models I had, plus my knight which still hadn't seen a game in 8th. I ended up squeezing 12 infantry squads, 2 special weapons squads, 4 kasrkin squads, and a smattering of officers and attaches into 1950 points.

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>>55377107

>>55377068
DEY IZ GREEN AIN'T DEY?
ORKZ IZ BEST BY DEFAULT!

>>55377096
>Everywhere but the rules.
Oddly enough, I'm still doing just fine against pretty much everything with only the Index, so I don't know what you're on about here.

>>55377105
Nope nothing 40k related

>>55377027
What is your battle plan?

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>>55377124

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>>55377107
A shame, infantry IG armies are cool to see, despite the conscript meme. I would love to play against your army there with my Melee centered Necrons

where are the DG leaks.coming from? I keep seeing people talk about new rules but I haven't seen a link to leaks

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>>55377138

>>55377149
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2017/09/08/death-guard-8th-edition-codex-leak-compilation/

Go to this site for leak compilations.

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Rolled 6, 1, 6, 1, 5, 3 = 22 (6d6)

Rolling for my future Slaaneshi warlord.

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I too would like hot opinions on the feasibility of this list.

Might turn the ironstrider into a dragoon, but the clean 750points pleases my autism.
Also might swap the vanguards for more rangers. The extra shots are nice, but the rangers get two shots at 15" anyway.

>>55377164
Post the list, I'm always interested in seeing slaaneshi cults.

>>55377107
This is why I will never play horde armies. You did a great job painting all of those but I have a hard enough time painting up the small amount of CSM I have already. I couldn't imagine having to paint dozens like that.

>>55377187
>hell march
>nazis
Why?
not that it doesn't fit the Wehrmacht

>>55377127
What factions do you like?

>>55377187
Tank and Cyclopes focused IG armies are the only ones ive played against.

But most definitely. Anrakyr, Zendrehk, Obyron, 2 Overlords and a Cryptek with 10 Lychguard 10 Praetorians 5 Immortals, a Triarch Stalker a Ghost Ark and 40 warriors AND my Monolith if I could squeeze it in. It would be a stupendously fun match.

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>>55377145

>A shame, infantry IG armies are cool to see

I've always thought so, too, which is why I got tired of seeing so many tank spam IG lists in previous editions. IG looks best, imo, when there are a lot of bodies marching around in uniform. Link and pic related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcz-Oho0tlU [Embed]

(let's try that again with the picture fixed)

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What are you working on /tg/???

I've been working on pic related for the last couple of days. After some finishing touches he will be my new HQ.

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>>55377227

>>55377060
Damn that sums up discord pretty well. Is it fire?

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>>55377172
Oh I dont have one yet, my current project is GSC but now Im just fluffing my future Chaos project. So far I only have the Nurgle group which will be painted in corroded Dusk Raider colors and they will be made into a group of loyalists that were consumed by their need for vengeance and followed the Death Guard too deep into the eye, they fought too long and their festering wounds in their souls let Nurgle into their ranks so now they are infested by his gifts just as the enemy that they chase, now they are a rogue group of Nurgle marines hunting down Mortarion

I havent thought anything about the Slaaneshi group that will be their allies, maybe a younger chapter that fell to Slaanesh.

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>>55377239

>>55377220
Nids deathwatch and furries

How Should I kit out my Vulkan Hestan entourage?

Ive been going 3 ss and meltagun and then two Axe Flamers

All in a heavy flamer razorback

>>55377040
Haven't you heard of Venom spam?

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>>55377187
how did you afford this much Armageddon
also
>armageddon
>on foot
>pic related
I'm doing mine up in the style of the Fallschirmjager style because my historical autism (literally the same webbing)

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>>55377261

>>55377262
With a side of gay traitors on bikes

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>>55377278

>>55377228
Your name is greatly disturbing. Change it before you summon them

>>55377228
looks great, maybe darken the area beneath the sternum.

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>>55377296

The Necron Lord passed all 5 of his fucking saves in this combat.

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>>55377228
Working on converting some AOS Blood Warriors into berzerkers for my CSM warband. The greenstuff work isn't the best I'll admit but it's the first time I've ever used it and it's good enough for me. Still need to finish the legs on the rest of them then I'll mount the backpacks and wait for my chainspears to come in from Anvil before I finish them up.

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>>55377321

>>55377343
>chainspear anon
Oh man, make sure to post those when you're done. Kinda interested in how it'll look.

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>>55377227
I know who you are.

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>>55377354

>>55377355
The big hurdle for me is getting the damn things shipped here. USPS likes to pretend my apartment doesn't exist and not mail my shit, meaning I'll have to drive to whatever post office they leave it at and get it myself most likely. Fingers crossed that they won't do that.

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>>55377228
>30k coloured rubrics
>ahriman
>a bunch of prospero-themed bases
>a Wyvern
>Cadian Command Squad
>vindicare

>>55377364
>no reflection
Shit, he's a Nazi AND a vampire? AND he plays 40k? Seems pretty chill to me.

>>55377385
Hello austrailia

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>>55377164
Pick an Eldar name and make an anagram with it.
Pleasure yourself at the rage of spess elves when they notice.

Also good on you anon, names are very imporotant. Pic related.

>>55377385
˙uou∀ 'pooƃ ,uiʞoo˥

>>55377394
>Nazi
fine
>Vampire
fine
>Guardfag
it's on like donkey kong

>>55377262
Try the Space Wolf Omnibus by William King and the Deathwatch novel by Steve Parker.

>>55377385
You had the right idea, now turn your phone to the LEFT

>>55377132
Where I can, use the bikes to take the fight where I want it to be. Even if that means in close. And support with long range Devastators. The Sergeant, bolter marines, and plasma guns on the Razorbacks should discourage enemies from rushing them. The Company Masters are obviously there to let me supercharge safely, and the Outrider HQ is going to deep strike ahead of the bikers so he can meet them at the end of movement. I thought a Darkshroud would be more valuable than the Vengeance because hopefully it and the Apothecaries can keep my bikers on the field longer.

Rolled 6, 35, 17 = 58 (3d66)

>>55377164
pls work, dumb phone posting app

Need help with my death guard list lads:

Already have the dark imperium DG set x 2

Getting morty and mortarion

Thinking of just getting more plague marines, the grenade guys and 3 of the new mortar tanks.

Will this work??

>>55377416
My nigga

Let's stake some of these faggot tankwalkers

Does somebody can estimate the size of the Myphitic Blight-Hauler?
I want to convert one from some boxy thing and some bits, I like the bloat drone but I dislike the land version and i want variety.
I was thinking about an heavily converted dunecrawler. Too big?

>>55377436
Its 6d66

>>55377364
Jesus Christ unbelievable.
Yet another guardfag.

>>55377027
I'd change the plasma guns on the bike squad to meltas, you already got plasma guns on the knights

>>55377417
Any good nid stories in there?

>>55377416
>not accepting his gift of eternal life and ushering the dark eternal fourth reich
Playing guard's a small price to pay for the power he probably wields.

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Rolled 5, 4, 1, 6, 4, 5 = 25 (6d6)

>>55377436
fug, redo

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>daemons can now be precision summoned turn 1, with nearly no limitations
>you can summon entire armies this way, not consuming FOC slots

>>55377437
>Morty twice?
Plague marines aren't great.
If you want to spam Nurgle deamon engines Epidimus will help accuracy.
Typhus and tallyman are required for pox blobs.

>>55377476
Still have to pay the points

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>>55377466
>>55377459
I'm loving the reactions to this

>>55377464
Not that much Nid stuff hknestly. One of the Ultramarines books is about a nid invasion, there's some in Ciaphas Cain, there are no books from the nid perspective though.

>>55377439
Too big.

>>55377489
Yeah, that's not a problem. The thing I'm getting at is that you can have well over 2/3rds of your points reserved and deep strike them. You can get nearly null deployments. You can tailor your list on the fly to your enemy army. Daemons are pretty good.

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Hey guys. So I started building Skitarii a little bit before 8th edition hit, and subsequently stopped til I knew what was going on. As far as I know, the Adeptus book hasn't dropped yet? Or has it? I'm pretty keen on all the new rules so far, for the most part, but the list building seems entirely different than what I was working with in the past. So far I have

20x Skitarii Rangers/Vanguard (I haven't glued weapons or heads on them since I'm not sure what I should give them)
2x Dominus Tech Priests
2x Onagers

I figured I wanna work around 1000 points or so just to get a feel for the game again, since its been a while. Any tips on what weapons are good in this edition? It seems like they buffed Plasma Calivers and the Transaurinic sniper rifle. And rumors of the Electropriests being really good?
Pic related, the color scheme I'm working with.

>>55377509
>deamons are a good supplement to CSM or a monobuild with horrors.
Fify

>>55377523
It's about to drop.

>>55377495
Nids are supposed to get their own book sometime this year, we'll see what secrets they 've got. I hope they fucked into a warp hole and came out slaaneshi so they're even more like Starcraft now.

>>55377460
I should. At 3 they're pretty much a suicide squad anyway.

Even though >muh fluff.

>>55377459
The Nazi IGfag actually predates the current wave of shitty guard spam. I know RGG does as well, but he's actually involved in the current wave unlike Nazi guy. I remember seeing the Nazi guy first post like 2+ years ago and people freaking out due to his Nazi paraphernalia.

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>>55377495
>>yfw ADB creates a mary sue tyranid waifu who's perspective is the basis for a new series expounding on Tyranid lore
>>Edited by Robin Cruddace

>>55377509
Did they change how summoning works or do you still need characters to do it?

>>55377536
I wouldn't call reserving 1500 points a "supplement".

>>55377505
Thanks anon. Is the smaller category of base, like the Sentinel?
The Sentinel should be the same size of the bloat drone - are they all the same?
Sadly, the new size of the marines threw me off balance, I used to be able to get the base size on the spot.

>>55377556
You still need characters, but that's not an issue with FW helpfully giving us 30 point characters.

>>55377554
Kerrigan 40k eddition.

>>55377557
No, you'd call it a shit list.

>>55377554
As long as they don't go full anime like blizz did with SC2, I'd be okay with it. Brood War was pretty good story wise.

>>55377562
Sentinel would be great afaik.

Is there a downside to taking your existing units and putting them into as many detachments as possible for the CP?

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>>55377554
nice

Question for you guys
I'm incredibly fucking indecisive and am looking to build a SM army, but can't decide between an established chapter or making my own, any advice? besides not playing spess mahreens

>>55377604
A unit can only be in one detachment anon.

But there is no downside to maximizing detachments.

>>55377597
I will mix several bits and lots of exhausts but I needed the size.
I start the bit hunt. Thank you.

>>55377604
Not really, if it means more drops in deployment then kinda, but not really.

>>55377168
split the rangers into 2 squads. Good rule of thumb is if you're firing an arquebus the other guys in the squad won't have a valid target because the ranges are so different and they can't fire arquebuses on the move.

>>55377604
Not really. Generally it's more difficult for elite armies to minmax it though because of the troop reqs

>>55377614
What I mean is I have 3 HQ, 3 troops, and 3 elites.

It is best to make this a battalion and a vanguard detachment isn't it?

>>55377617
Np, good luck and post pics!

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What's a good loadout for war walkers?

I kinda want to use them for anti tank, but dual brightlances/EML seems a bit of a waste of their mobility and battle focus. Does 1 EML and 1 Shuriken Cannon seem reasonable?

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>>55377613
If you cant decide on your chapter then make your own.

>>55377625
Absolutely. Just remember the rule book has detachment counts for point tiers and tournaments also have their own detachment caps.

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>>55377554
Giantess Xenomorph Dominatrix?

Count me fucking IN.

>>55377125
>Oddly enough, I'm still doing just fine against pretty much everything with only the Index, so I don't know what you're on about here.
What sort of lists have you been running? Green tide is boring and most variations I have tried have just been bad.

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>>55377640
>tfw Epic's models won't get ported to 40k
I really want a fucking Nautiloid.

>>55377613

Either you fall in love with a chapter that already exists, or you make your own. Don't settle for a canon chapter you only sortof like.

Five years from now you will look back and be thankful you decided to make your army YOUR army, not some GW guy's army that you copied.

This is my army. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

Besides the actual new units, are there any juicy Adjective Nounverbers in the new death guard?
Like the line about the casters from the index/dark imperium release

>>55377630
Grab three walkers, slap 2 shuriken cannons on each. Guide them or have an autarch nearby.

Goodbye hordes.

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>>55377000
Alright, when running Wyches on a budget and in 5 girl groups, give me ONE good reason not to pass over the special weapons, and just give my Hekatrix a Agonizer/Blast pistol? 4 attacks that always wound on 4+ and have AP -2 seems pretty fucking good to me.

>>55377667
Haven't seen any, but probably in the fluff section.

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>>55377662
With AoS Nurgle taking the snail aesthetic, I don't think either of us will ever be so lucky.

>>55377633
>>55377665
Fair enough, there's a bunch of chapters I already like but can't decide between, I've been kicking around the idea of my own chapter so I'll keep going forward with that, all ready have a colour scheme anyways

>>55377698
I figured I would ask before I try and figure it out myself because that's about all I'm interested in at the moment

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>>55377228
I used the wrong legs and now he's permanently stuck shooting at fliers.

>>55377000
>Astral Claws could have been cool renegade space marine pirates who do their own thing after escaping Badab and serve neither the Imperium nor Chaos
>no gods, no kings
>nevermind lawl praise chaos let's summon daemons and shit
What a missed opportunity. Fuck the Red Corsairs.

Are Raven Guard eyes entirely black? Just wondering from a painting perspective.

>>55377613
If you are indecisive, you will eventually become unhappy with your custom chapter. Honestly the easiest way to find a solid permanent choice from a fellow indecisivefag, is you pick the one you first want, then eventually find the one you REALLY want.

>>55377720
Chaos gets even aethiests eventually. See the Soul Drinkers

I have a lot of bikes from 7th and heard UM has good tactics for them.

What's a good way to build a biker army? Shooty? Punchy?

>>55377708
What traits and colour schemes do you like? If you listed some of your preferences we could give you suggestions.

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>>55377678
This is obviously excellent - but I was already gonna take three vypers and do the same thing.

There's an excess of fantastic ways to use shuriken cannons IMO, less for anti armor/heavy shootan.

Was gonna do something like
Eldrad
3x Warlocks
2x guardian squads with shuriken cannons
1x storm guardian squad with 2x fusion guns and chainswords
3x vypers with twin shuriken cannons
2x war walkers with ?????
Wraithlord with twin starcannons, ghostglaive and flamers

And just build from there as the core of the army.. where to put anti tank is my problem.

>>55377720
>>Astral Claws could have been cool renegade space marine pirates who do their own thing after escaping Badab and serve neither the Imperium nor Chaos

They would be dead in like 1 year if they are lucky.

Without the Maelstrom and Chaos backing, The Astral Claws have no chance of survival

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Anybody interested in some Catachan models? I'm looking to sell some stuff I've had for nearly a decade.

Catachan Battleforce NiB
5 man command squad
20 infantry
3 heavy weapon teams
1 sentinel

Catachan Infantry Squad NiB:
20 infantry

Catachan Battleforce opened:
5 man command squad
1 sentinel
3 heavy weapon teams
<20 infantry

I bought these originally so I could use the legs and a few rifles for a conversion (poor man's elysians: Cadian head/torso, catachan legs, greenstuff drop harness, FW or 3rd party grav chutes). But it didn't go well, I mostly left the game, and then I sold all my Cadians.
Can't recall how many bits I used, but at least one 10-man squad from the battleforce should be complete.

Anyone interested enough to make an offer?

>>55377740
Shooty, they suck at choppy.

>>55377723

Younger ones just have black iris, the older they get or if they succumb to ash blindness, their entire eyeball turns black.

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7's soon


ARRRRGGGHHHHH

>>55377756
I am glad to hear that, I never liked choppy.

What's a good warlord? Biker capt with primarch's wrath?

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>>55377723
yeah, they're pretty weird. look up art of corax - there's also the raven guard guy's portrait from overkill

>>55377742
Space Wolves, Salamanders and White Scars are probably my favorites, I'd probably go white scars but I don't really care for bikes

>>55377716
That actually looks quite good, anon.

>>55377737

BL ruined them. Soul Drinkers turned out to be secretly manipulated by Chaos corrupted leaders and eventually entire chapter ended up dead after redeeming themselves by killing the leaders, then the like two survivors walked into the warp to die.

>>55377763
Should be fine.

NEW BASIC CSM SCULPTS WHEN?

>>55377747
>They would be dead in like 1 year if they are lucky.
Couldn't they just stay constantly mobile, only stopping their fleet to raid shit? They could do the Space Sharks thing and hide away beyond the edge of the galaxy.

>>55377759
>>55377777
>praise?

>>55377779
Is there something that BL does not ruin?

>>55377787
Good luck with that.
Constantly moving through parts of the warp you don't know is an ass way to live, and with no friends the first time you get into a bad spot you don't have a method to recover.

NL anon here, and I'm putting serious thought into selling off my dudes. I have so much stuff, and they're not getting the attention they deserve. Meanwhile, I might be out of a job soon. It's a painful kind of sad.

>>55377842
Can I subscribe to this blog?

So how best to kill mortarion?

Drop pod of Multi Melta?

Thunderhammer Terminators?

>>55377758
>>55377769
Never painted eyes before so in a way Raven Guard is a way to avoid it then? Also what about Raven Guard/Salamanders Primaris Marines? Why would they have pale/pitch black skin and black/red eyes if Cawl fixed the mutations?

>>55377630

Right now shuriken cannons seem like the best option since it doesn't limit their mobility. Built one today and sadly took the bright lances off another just a minute ago

>>55377842
You can always start again once cash is sorted out, start now so you aren't desperate and get ripped off.

Good luck with gainful employment.

>>55377842
When is this biography coming out ?

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>>55377364
Shit, that's me irl

>>55377866
>drinking Cawl's koolaid
Only claimed to fix dangerous mutations, not chapter personality shit iirc.

>>55377842
Personally I'd hold onto them and sell only if you actually do lose your job and money's tight. Don't just sell all your shit on a maybe.

>>55377787
>They could do the Space Sharks thing and hide away beyond the edge of the galaxy.

The Space Sharks have made pacts with the Admech for support. They are not alone.

I purchased a Horus Heresy Box a while ago, and I'd like to make space wolves, but I'm not completely familiar with all the rules, and what would be best to use the included marines for. I was thinking three huscarls with three grey slayer squads of nine. I'm not too worried about how good everything will be since I'm brand new to the new hobby...I guess my main question is what I need in addition to what the box comes with to do this? If I remember correctly there isn't enough bolt pistols for the huscarl role, would it matter if I were to get a 40k bolt pistol arm for it, or do I have to explicitly get a 30k bolt pistol arm?
I also wanted to ask, for additional units, what should I do? or purchase, I suppose. I need to get the proper paints for them as well. So much to do.
I'm guessing it's also pretty stupid, but I really want all the terminators to have claws, but if I do that, how gimped would I be? Because while I don't mind inefficiency it would also be awful if they never actually got close enough to use them.

Sorry for the dump of questions.

>>55377364
Why I said that Imperialfags have a racist mentality I was have joking. Turns out it was spot on.

>>55377935

Pretty sure you're only going to be able to make Terminator Long Fangs/Terminators and Grey Hunters out of that box.

Claw Terminators are fine.

>>55377957
When I said*

>>55377906
Cawl was going to bring back the traitor legions back to the fold by using their geneseed in the creation Primaris legions. Cawl said that the bloodline/geneseed/marines are not at fault. It was the folly of their fathers that damned them.

>>55377957
#notallimps

>>55377969
That's okay. Isn't it Grey Slayer?
Looking at the new rules it has most of the pieces, right?

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>>55377778
Thanks anon, he's like the 3rd model I've ever assembled. I'm slowly working my way through a CSM Start Collecting and a box of Chaos termies.

The other highlight is me accidentally gluing a terminator lord arm to the aspiring champion and then just gluing a second one on to even him out. Khorne gave him gains.

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>>55377464
Nids make an appearance in the Ciaphas Cain stories. But they aren't necessarily the focus. There are a few Nid focused books. Slaughter at Giant's Coffin (Nids/Space Marines) is kinda bad. It's the one novel by the former editor of Black Library, so the writing is pretty bland. There's also Valedor (Nids/Eldar) and the upcoming Devastation of Baal (Nids/Bangles. Also a major plot point) and Haley is at least a workmanlike author. If you're interest in Nids extends to GSC though, Peter Fehervari's Genestealer Cult's is great. I'd recommend it.

>>55377986
You playing 30k or 40k? This is the 40k thread.

>>55377957

>Why I said I was have joking

you suck at words

>>55377746
I don't like vypers personally. Compare the price of vypers to a guardian squad with a shuriken on a platform. Sure it's less mobile, but you've got more firepower and wounds for what, 10 points more? If you want fast moving guns, just get wind riders.

Starcannons are also ludicrously expensive. I went with shuriken cannons on my wraithlord.

For anti tank just do the tried and true wave serpent and fire dragon combo, or dark reapers. A hemlock wraithfighter is also great (easily deals 6-8 wounds per turn while being hard to hit and fairly tough).

Why so many warlocks? You can only attempt to cast each psychic power once per turn (except smite of course, but warlock smite is shit), so you can't have them concealing all over the place. Just have one warlock and pack your guardians near him so he can conceal both squads at once.

>>55378005
Thank god for those peppers. Otherwise I'd have been aroused for life

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>>55378017
He ams sounds goods to me.

>>55378012
Oh wait, were there separate threads for 30/40k?
My apologies. Though if I can play both somehow with the same miniatures, that would be neat, but I doubt that. I know one of the persons I know would throw a shitfit because lore reasons.

>>55377842
Sell off unpainted/unopened stuff if you have it. To be perfectly honest, painted stuff is usually a detriment to price and is usually the stuff you most regret selling later.

>>55378032
>All humans are pedos, especially whites. And whites are the most common animu consumers. anime just allows them to channel their inner pedophilia .

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>>55378032

>>55378031
You see, Toki, they don'ts haves benefit of superior Scandinavians edumacation system

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>>55378024
They're on Sankaku

>>55378051
Chance whites to Japs and it's true

>>55378051
>false equivalency.txt
Not even him but tribalism IS something that is innate in human nature and it is undoubtedly incredibly racist.

>>55378081
>>55378080
>>55378051

Stfu right now. This is a good thread. Don't derail it.

>>55378051
>>55378055
t. white dudes who are super glad they don't aren't black yet are somehow in total denial about the race inequality

>>55378032
Racist, instead of racially biased, implies a top looking down scenario. If your a race with low socioeconomic standing you can hate high standing races and still not technically be racist.

Hooray for being overly litigious.

>>55378104
>le le le race equals power and prejudice
Look at a fucking dictionary for once and stop gobbling up that cultural marxist shite.

>>55378116
I can't because the white man is keeping me down by withholding all the bibles and dictionaries. What color was Webster? Checkmate, jive turkey.

>>55378116
>cultural marxist
Now who's gobbling?

>>55378126
Then go back to africa

>>55378116
Believing in superiority, or being culturally recognized as superior is common amongst all definitions I know of?

Didn't specify if one is better or worse, and I'm not any kind of communists.

... I own a bit of Tau, but that's it.

>>55378135
Gobbling what? Try not basing your reality off of your gender studies professor next time.

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welp. i fucking went insane and bought an arkanaut ironclad. this thing is fucking huge (that's a knight base). I need conversion ideas, guys.

>>55378149
Common amongst racial ideology pushes by marxist college students, yeah. Pick up a fucking dictionary and look up the definition of racism. See that? That's racism, not your stupid "le le i'm a dumb nigger so i can't be racist" nonsense.

>>55378137
Did you just ASSUME my ethnicity, you racist fuck? Because the only two races to exist are white and black, right?

God, white people disgust me. I wish there was like a Hitler, but for white people.

>>55378036
You can use the space marine minis in both, nobody who matters cares.

How does this look? Tigurius in the rhino with the tac squad

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [39 PL, 602pts] ++

**Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines

+ HQ +

Captain on Bike [6 PL, 118pts]: Master-crafted boltgun, Storm shield, The Primarch's Wrath, Twin boltgun

Chief Librarian Tigurius [7 PL, 130pts]

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [6 PL, 90pts]: 5x Camo cloak
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Sniper rifle
. 4x Scout w/Sniper Rifle: 4x Sniper rifle

Scout Squad [6 PL, 78pts]
. Scout Sergeant: Combi-melta, Power sword
. 4x Scout w/Shotgun

Tactical Squad [5 PL, 80pts]
. 3x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Storm bolter
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

Tactical Squad [9 PL, 106pts]
. 4x Space Marine
. Space Marine Sergeant: Chainsword, Combi-plasma
. Space Marine w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [45 PL, 809pts] ++

+ HQ +

Rhino Primaris [9 PL, 170pts]: Orbital array, Twin plasma gun

+ Fast Attack +

Bike Squad [12 PL, 213pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta, Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-plasma, Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol: Twin boltgun
. 2x Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun, Twin boltgun

Bike Squad [12 PL, 213pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta, Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-plasma, Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol: Twin boltgun
. 2x Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun, Twin boltgun

Bike Squad [12 PL, 213pts]
. Attack Bike: Multi-melta, Twin boltgun
. Biker Sergeant: Combi-plasma, Twin boltgun
. Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol: Twin boltgun
. 2x Space Marine Biker w/Special Weapon: Plasma gun, Twin boltgun

>>55378005
>>55378073
>Limbs designed solely to hoist up breast-like sacs made to distract attackers and store fluids/toxins
Truly Tyranids are the apex of evolution.

>>55378150
>being so triggered you need to imply someone's a stereotype sjw or whatever.

Useing the word racist correctly doesn't make you a faggot.

>>55378157
Ork skypirates.

>>55378171
That 106 point tac squad isn't supposed to be there, sorry

>>55378036

Here's the general thread for 30k >>55322346

Generally, the majority of marine models work in both games, but some are only in 30k and others are only in 40k. You can easily make a marine army that works for both games with zero model changes, but the rules will change a lot, so if you want rules advice, you should go to the appropriate thread.

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Looking to repurpose what I have into a guard army, can't seem to decide on a regiment. What's an interesting/obscure regiment that has an interesting gimmick I can make an army of? I had the idea of Terrax guard run as Scions, but I want more input.

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Wow. I post something like a dozen pictures of a fully painted guard army in game and get like 1 (you), but some troll who drops the racebait completely derails the thread.

Stop getting mad and just jerk off or something

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>>55378158
White in America, and pic related.
You don't need to be racist to be an ass, but words have meaning.

Yes, mobile-fag, etc etc

>>55378195
>taking shitposts seriously
>literally thinks the only people who exist are niggers, crackers, and brain-damaged millennial crackers

You white boys crack me up.

>>55378157
why dolan
at this point go all-in and make Squat Tempestus Scions

>>55378216
>shit taste in faction
>shit taste in artists
>begging for yous

Truly, IGfag are the new cancer of 8E. Every edition has one, and they're honestly worse than the Taufags were in 7E at this point.

>>55378232
And what part of that says "LE LE POWER AND PREJUDICE"? Plenty of black supremacists exist. Where do you think the WE WUZ KANGZ audience comes from?

>>55378160
>>55378195
Shitposter, not me.

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>It's a "Guardfags ruin the thread again" episode
Guess I'll get back to building.

How good are power axes right now? Thinking of kitting out my terminator lord with a combi-plasma but I'm not sure on the other weapon.

>>55378251
The second definition is the more relivent one, if you care about supremicists with no power to invoke it you're a dumbass, but yeah they count, all 6 of them. I never said white only, if you want to talk about S. Africa or whatever, sure OK.

>>55378157
Leave it as is, start a Squats conversion army.

>>55378157
Squats as DE.

>>55378299
>m-muh insitutionalized racism!
The only "institutionalized racism" shit there is nowadays is affirmitive action nonsense. Start living in reality already.

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3 more days until we get to find out how the tau got PLAGUED.com

>>55378250

show us where the guardsman touched you

>>55378322
I doubt it's gonna be a complex reason. The Ultramar system and the Tau Empire are right next door to each other and Chaos loves to get bored halfway through a campaign and fuck off to fight someone else.

>>55378250
Say what you will about Guardfags but I've never seen a single batrep with unpainted Guard in it. That puts them about a mile ahead of the average 7e Taufag.

>>55378344
>I've never seen a single batrep posted here* with unpainted Guard in it

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>>55378322
We already know. The Death Guard met the vanguard of the T'au invasion force. The Tau are coming for Ultramar. Now that the Imperium and Death Guard have exhausted themselves fighting each other, the T'au can easily come in and sweep them off the table, vonquering Ultramar.

Their only hope of stopping this is setting aside their difference and uniting against the insidious T'au Empire before it's too late.

>>55378019
I was going for a bit of an ulthwe theme. Lots of guardians, no one on the warrior path, lots of warlocks.

True enough fire dragons would be the smart move, but I'd like to avoid aspects if possible for theme purpose... also to not give them any money until they update the dang things.

The warlocks do net me a few command points though - in that block I posted I can make a battalion, outrider and spearhead.

I guess I could take wraithguard? D cannons seems superior for that purpose over d scythes.

Anyone have any tips on how to counter death guard? Poxwalkers are easy enough, kite them around until the hoard dies.

>>55378344

The guard guy in this very thread has a list with 10 infantry squads in it, not a single conscript. And yet people bitch.

>>55378322
I want to know why based Typhus would ever condescend to be on the same battlefield as a loser like Mortarion.

>>55378317
Dude, seriously? Irrelevant handouts are anything to do with the superiority of races?

If your salty about a job or scholarship that a diversity hire took then you couldn't have been all that relivent in the first place.

I don't know how to feel about Death Shrouds. Being 75(?) points a pop for a two wound model seems kinda bad. Even with a 2+/4++/5+++ they're not too hard to kill in all honesty.

Any of you DG players going to be using them?

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>>55378284
Generally the best normal power weapon for S4 dudes as going from S4 to S5 gives you good bang for your buck. Lightning claws are good in pairs, but if you want a single weapon and aren't factoring in Relics of more exotic weapons then either a Power Axe or Thunder Hammer (Or Power Fist for Chaos) are the best choices.

>>55378303
Seconding this as
>>55378237

It'll work.

>>55378385
To show dad how it's really done. Imagine the shame Mortarion would feel when he sees Typhus wreck more shit than him. It would mean that all of what Typhus was saying is true and that Mortarion is a big bitch.

>>55378250
>Truly, IGfag are the new cancer of 8E. Every edition has one, and they're honestly worse than the Taufags were in 7E at this point.

What you're seeing is the result of players gaining massive power who have had shit codices for about 90% of their existence as an army. Only Rogue Trader and 5th edition were good editions for Guard.

It's like some sort of weird Lord of Flies scenario. Funnily enough, I haven't seen any Eldar players recently.

I still think the most cancerous players, bar none, are Nurgle players. They justify their love of "converting" (aka shitty greenstuff) while trying to hide the fact that they've been the most doted upon faction in Chaos for the past 3 codices.

>>55378200
>>55378237
>>55378303
>>55378311
some ideas i had were
1. mod it up and use it as a Knight of some sort
2. Some kind of Valkyrie variant?
3. panic because i don't know what to do

>>55378394
Thanks m8.

>>55378284
Good all rounder, they're fine unless you want to use a specific weapon or relic or something.

>>55378391
Nope, our charecters can survive snipers, and they don't keep pace with Morty.

>>55378357
Rowboat is going to unite with the tau, probably forsaking the empire. He's going to see that the Tau empire is everything the Imperium was meant to be.

Rolled 2, 3, 2, 6, 4, 4 = 21 (6d6)

>>55377164
Tzeentch sorceror

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>>55378403

Explain to me how my IG army is cancer, please.

>>55378445
Irrelevant to the discussion, but don't care.
>actual white supremacist.
I'm not going to argue politics here, I'm a grammar nerd who pointed out racist and racially biased have distinct meanings and admited to being overly litigious at the time.

Enjoy being triggered.

>>55378445
>my face is tired

I'll never not laugh at this line. Do you think the writer knew? Or maybe the animator knew?

Or was it just a perfect coincidence?

>>55378455

Because they are top tier so everyone who doesn't play them will bitch.

>>55378427
How about deep strikin' them in near morty mid game when he's low on wounds after he falls back to start tanking hits for him?

>>55378455
I don't like the double wide treads, why not convert 1 large tread instead?

>>55378525
Sure, but not past turn 3, and not worth 225pts imo.

>>55378535
Not him but where the fuck are you gonna find wider treads like that?

>>55377633
>Chapter creation rules
A relic of a better era.

>>55378363
If you want wraithcannons, just go with the hemlock. S10, D2, auto hit, on a platform that moves across the table instead of crawling for similar points.

>>55378525
But is 225 points really worth 6 more wounds for Morty?

I dunno, I think GW dropped the ball with them from my first impression of them. Gotta see them in some batreps.

>>55378531
Not into communism, but degrees of specificity in synonymous words is a thing.

Enjoy being triggered.

>>55378512
Most voice lines in Andromeda weren't animated by people, but just an algorithm. That was the issue. As for the writer/voice actor all kinds of stupid lines get recorded that don't get used or aren't supposed to be used. I imagine it was a "we'll fix it later" thing that never got fixed later.

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>want to talk about plastic space army men, painting them, and stories related to them
>thread devolves into shitposting yet again

>>55378412
>Some kind of Valkyrie variant
this
Be creative with squat weapons, convert and paint in a way that is clear what is plasma what is melta etc

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New Eisenhorn novel is coming out soon. Why is nobody talking about this?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/09/13/coming-soon-a-new-eisenhorn-novel/

>>55378585
You fight shitposting by steering the thread back on topic, not by bitching.

>>55378550
Tbh I like the Leman Russ look without any major conversions but I have never seen any real tank with to 2 adjacent treads so it's a little odd. Good paintjob though.

>>55378582
So they never patched it like they said they would?

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>>55378521

>Guard players have been humbly building, painting, and playing their armies for years, drawing hardly any notice. They had a couple of bright spots over the past 20+ years where they really stood out, then rapidly dropped back into mediocrity while half-painted and gray marines, edgy marines, elves, and space fish slugged it out in mathhammer and listhammer.

>Along comes 8th, and by some fluke GW makes them good.

>Guard players are now cancer, everyone hates them and they don't even have a codex or new models to show for it

>Suddenly, gray tide IG armies appear.

>The community hatred for IG is so intense that GW will undoubtedly nerf them into irrelevance, damning them to another 5-6 years with a shit book.

>WAACfags will move on to the next flavor of the month, leaving guard players to wallow in mediocrity yet again for 2 editions.

>>55378593
I want a new fucking Gaunts Ghosts novel

>>55378585
Sorry, wanted to be a cunt about words for a bit, got carried away messing with a /pol/ok who stuck is dick in Tumbler and got triggered. Won't do it again.

>>55378593
i have a confession anon, i'm not a fan of abnet these days and only read the first volume of einsenhorn. i couldn't get into his ravenor due to how it bounces around so much. i think i've lost my taste for black library these days (doesn't help that i finished the animorphs recently so i've had my fill of grimdark for the year)

>>55378628
That's true, possibly, many current guardfags are former taufags and eldarfags I guess.
Just remember that there was another Guard Bandwagon in 5h.

>>55378445
>a krogan with a lisp

what the fuck

>>55378612
The T28 had two treads like that but it looked strange in real life too.

>>55378615
>everything that is in Marxist shit is singularly Marxist.
>needs to belive in class struggle for a word to refer to supremacists.

>>55378628
But that's their appeal. Regular guys fighting big bad aliens.

:^)

>>55378629
What do you call this?

http://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/december/the-warmaster-ebook.html

>>55378593
Were do you read you novels from?

>>55377820
Kreigers, Flyboyz

>>55378615
I never said racism was evil, just distinct in it's meaning, if you don't think supremacists are evil than it's not a worse thing to be than racially biased.

Need a safe space?

>>55378675
From books. That I buy.

>>55378674
Are you implying it won't get delayed for the 10th time?

>>55378663
It only looks weird because it has no turret and has to rotate the entire body to fire. Add in the fact that it's 95 fucking tons and I can see why it never got out of the prototyping stage.

Guys. 40k is so fucking fun. I get to come home after work, assemble and paint models and chill. Then I get to go to the store with my buds and play on their tables and have a great time all night. My store literally closes at 3am. It has a bitz bin I get to dig through and look for deals. Found pink horrors for 23 dollars NIB. What a great fucking hobby. What's /tg/s favorite part of 40k?

>>55378707
It's already finished and waiting for its release date. You can get it early by buying it from the BL Weekender.

>>55378652

Many current guardfags have fully painted armies that obviously took years to assemble and complete, with unique conversions or exotic model types they had to scour ebay to get. They most obviously are not WAACfags, and it's hilarious and sad how poorly this community treats them now that GW broke their army.

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>>55378628
>Friend and I are just starting to get into 40k
>Can't decide what to play
>He thought having commissars shoot their own men was hilarious in the dawn of war games
>Builds a conscript army for lulz
>Have fun even though he's practically a free win for his opponent
>8th edition drops
>Now nobody will play with him

I feel kind of bad because it was my suggestion originally and it's pretty much killed his desire for 40k

>>55378714
>It has a bitz bin I get to dig through and look for deals.
You lucky bastard. There are way too many thieving little shits in my area for any LGS to even think of doing this. My favorite part of the hobby is modeling though for sure. Making your own dudes, setting up models, it's all so fun.

>>55378718
Were you not around for 5th, where IG and SW were the top armies of the game?

>>55378739
If they were WAACfags back then they'd have sold their unpainted shit and moved on at the end of 5th.

>>55378739

Does it matter? There is a difference between hobbyists who invest time and effort into their collections and gamers who want to play gray man space chess. The rules favor certain factions and then they don't. Just because an army is good in this moment doesn't mean everyone who plays it is cancer.

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>>55377228
working on some arms for this guy at the moment, dealing with resin is so irritating but atleast it's not metal I guess.

>>55378561
That does sound pretty good and it's a very nice looking plane.

Any experience with fire prisms? The gun seems solid, but it's just one gun on an expensive platform.

Thanks, btw. I have zero eldar experience. Just building this army now - I've been a humie my whole career.

>>55378708
Yes it is Marxist, but it wasn't new then, and exists in other shit.

Yes, supremacisim is the distinguishing factor between racists and the racially biased. It just matters more if it is socially reinforced, and what society thinks effects how money moves and can exaspirate the effectiveness.

But yes, again only the first part of that last part is relevant to the discussion.

>>55378748
You are assuming WAACfags are of a singular type, rather than opportunists.

>>55378549
>>55378563
ugh. 225 is real steep.

Maybe they'll prove worth it for people using a terminator warlord?

>>55378445
Is there a more apt metaphor for 8th edition than the mass effect series?

ME1 was great, just like third edition. Then over the next several installments, things kept getting worse and worse, until finally you reach Andromeda/8th, which is unrecognizable from 3rd edition/1, required early patches to be playable due to massive oversights, and has almost none of the fluffy gameplay that made warhammer/mass effect great.

>>55378769

Are you seriously suggesting that every guard player is a waacfag because there was a time back in 5th edition when they were good? Because it sounds like that's what you are saying, and saying that would make you absolutely retarded.

>>55378724
Don't need to belive in shit for the definition of words to reference included concepts.

>>55377720
Don't the Night Lords already have that gimmick? Yes, I'm aware that they're hypocrites about it, but isn't it their thing?

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>>55378762
I really dig the weathering, how'd you get it to look so natural?

>>55378762
Damn that looks good. Are you the same guy posting the red and black primaris in /wip/ a month or so ago? Are you running a custom chapter or is there a chapter with that scheme I just don't know about? Either way it looks great.

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>>55378385
What's even more embarrassing is they both felt the need to show up against the tau. In their own codex fluff, A daemon primarch and the premier nurgle chaos lord had to show up to have a chance against based tau. They also had the tau Job hard enough to get in CQC with chaos marines. We all know if this was in the tau codex, Morty gets blown up by 3 riptides, typhus runs away and the slow ass death guard get outranged by tau superior weapons and hit and run tactics

>>55378776
Ehh, if it's Typhus he'll be behind pox, and anyone else isn't really worth it?

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I see the terms "Guardfag", "Imperiumfag" and "Chaosfag" thrown around multiple times daily.

You know who's derailing our threads out of pure jealousy?

XENOSFAGS!

>>55378779
>ME1 was great, just like third edition
Look at this faggot.
3e broke the game so hard that they needed to rerelease or patch half the major books for it to be not shit.
Hey, remember when power weapons ignored all armor saves? Remember when no TEQ model had an invul save unless they had an iron halo or daemonic and were functionally useless against any power weapon wielding model?

>>55378793
I used a bit of foam and just stamped out roughly where I wanted some weathering, it gives it a more natural look, also getting some lighter paint underneath the weathering for some added depth.
>>55378797
Yea that's probably me, i've only painted up 3-4 marines so far before getting distracted by the leviathan. It's my own homebrew chapter but people have pointed out it's simmilar to the "Knights of blood" scheme, just dark grey instead of gunmetal

>>55378813
Yes, I never said they couldn't be, only that they needed societies support to matter. If and where they have that support is a matter I've not opined on.

>>55378780
No, I'm talking about the longtime guard players who, with the advent of 5e, loaded up on chimeras, which were useless deathtraps before 5e, and bought valks and vendettas because they were almost uncontestable for half the edition's lifespan.

>>55378738
It's all bagged and priced. Store is huge though. Stealing would be so easy, but there are cameras some places and the bitz bin is by the mtg singles case at the register

>>55378850
Well either way, keep it up m8. You're doing a great job.

>>55378837
You did not have so many cheap power weapons or rerolls back then, excluded perhaps BA (honour guard) and Banshees

>>55378612
I think Baneblade treads are that big...

Otherwise anon would have to 3d-print them desu

>>55377991
Holy shit, post pics.
I wanna see this.

>>55378763
It's fucking shit. Way too overpriced.

If the shots weren't random on the multi shot modes it would be so much better. Right now, the most reliable mode is lance. However, you just don't need strength that high. Against T7 units (i.e most tanks) bright lances are just as effective.

Compare it to a twin bright lance wave serpent. The wave serpent is:
>cheaper
>more efficient firepower
>a transport
>protected by a serpent shield

A fire prism might be worth taking in an apocalypse game where big tanks are more common and the tables are much bigger.

My fire prism cost me 23 bucks, so I'm not as salty as I could be if I paid full price for it.

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>>55378829
Anon, everybody calls everybody a fag in here. It's tradition.

This is what I have so far

Battalion regiment
HQ
Pedro Kantor
Rhino Primaris
Troops
Sniper scouts squad
5 man scout squad (not sure on loadout yet)
5 man tac squad w/ plasma gun + assback

Vanguard Detachment
HQ
Primaris Lieutenant
Hvy Support
Thunderfire cannon
PlasmaCannon Dev squad
ML Dev squad

I am thinking I need some elites, maybe an apothecary or ancient, maybe even assault centurions to handle melee

>>55378861
That's like saying transports were less shit just because AT was more expensive.
They had to patch survivability into high priced elite units because they fucked up so hard right off the rip, whereas power weapons, while dangerous in 2e, were manageable.
You are another 3/4e dickrider that doesn't know how bad the game got for 6 years.

>>55378857
I'm glad to hear that stores are still making the effort to let customers see products before they buy them at least, especially LGSs where thieving is so common. In my area all the cards are behind glass or a register now, even in some stores like Walmart or Target, just because so many kids come in and steal them. I'd love a bitz bin in my store since I love converting so much. I bought my brother one of the big box sets for Amonkhet a few months ago for his birthday and my LGS had even that huge ass box of cards behind the counter. Shit's fucking depressing.

>>55378829
You have to go bak

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>>55378817
Sure thing, blueberry

Anyone have a mega for the Audiobooks looking for gaunt's ghosts mostly.

>>55378829
Fags are fags anon, and we're all fags.

>>55378920
Isn't playing that song considered a war crime punishable by death already ?

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>>55378731
Time for him to make the tournament rounds before they nerf that shit. He can rack up enough prize support to use when scripts bcome shit

>>55378907
I played 3rd, I started with that one, but never competitively. I remember the patch for the termies, it was a big deal.
I also remember that the designer seemed to give a shit. The DE re-do was well studied, we felt the changes.

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>>55378944
Maybe in tauspace

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>>55378944
what, you have just 1 song as a warcrime? might wanna update your playlist

Frontline Gaming has confirmed that almost all major tournament organizers are now seriously considering an outright ban of Forge World. If that happens expect most local scenes to follow suit.

They did say however that Chapter Approved will be making points adjustments to Forge World units, not just GW ones, and that this MAY cause the ban to be lifted in just a few months if the TO's consider it an appropriate adjustment.

>>55378943
Im not paying $50 for an audiobook. falling for that kind of cash grab would make me a nigger

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>>55378984
But the rest are all songs that I listen too

>>55377546
Naw, fuck that. I want Nids (and Orks) to remind Chaos that they're not the only ones who look at the galaxy and see a buffet. Have Nids toss around Chaos a bit, they've earned it at this point.

Just have someone write it while Aaron "Chaos will always win" Demski-Bowden is on vacation or something.

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>>55378884
Yeah, compared to a predator that can take 4 S9 D6 damage shots, having only one shot that's an entirely unnecessary strength level but with extreme variance on the alt fire modes just isn't comparable.

You're right, the twin bright lance is just straight up better than the lance prism against non apocalypse units.

I actually happen to have some half built wraithguard I acquired as breakup booty so I might as well use those guys in a brightlance wave serpent to shore up my anti armor needs, though just looking at the unit sheet for fire dragons makes me thirsty for their straightforward melta power.

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>>55378984
>tfw the CIA has been using Metallica to torture terrorists

>>55377464

Cult of the Warmason has a good portion from the perspective of a Genestealer Cult magus. Not QUITE nids but yeah. It's pretty good.

>>55378817
Lol, by the time they land the planet's already been ravaged by incurable spiritual plagues that the atheistic Tau have no hope of fighting. See that tiny force there? Those five Fire Warriors and the handful of drone? That's what left of the planet's garrison by the time the Death Guard come around to blow off steam after Konor.

>>55379023
I used to look down on FW bans but with how poorly FW is balancing and FAQing their 8E shit, I wouldn't be surprised.

>>55378910
Packs and cards >1$ are locked up because those are so stealable. Bits bags are harder to slip Somewhere. But the store is legit. Has a rewards program for purchases

>>55377659
K A N W A L L

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Played a 3000pt game against Thousand Sons today my dudes what are you anons up to? And sorry for the lack of batreps been screwed with school and work but maybe tomorrow I'll try to do one for you /tg/.

>>55378731
I don't believe stories like this because I don't believe any IG player is so stupid that he can't figure out he can simply turn his 50+ lasgun conscripts into 10 man squads of regulars or vets.

>>55379064
>dieing shadowsun turns to papa Nurgle
>for the greater goo .jpg
> t7 3+ 5++ 5+++ -2 to hit

>>55379081
Is that guy's Kairos held together by fucking bluetac? Either way looks like a fun game.

>>55379089
If you really got into the look and feel of conscript spam, and painted it all, I could see shelving most of it kill your motivation.

>>55379045
Fire Dragons are fantastic for meme names:
>Spice Man and the Zesty Bois

They absolutely need a wave serpent to avoid being gunned down. I've been playing against nids a lot and I've found they're great for melting warriors if a big bug is too well protected.

>>55378322
Theymade the mistake of showing up on another army's codex. Surefire recipe for "technologically and tactically superior army that blasts away the opposition with combined arms and massive amounts of firepower" to turn into "LE NAIVE WEEABOO SPACE COMMUNISTS"

>>55379133
The only difference is the squad size.

>>55379179
Truth to power.

>>55378817
preach

>>55379191
And the amount you can field, and the stats.

>>55377860
30 ork boyz

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>>55379043
That's exactly what happened at octarius. The Blood crusade containing just about every major khorne character and a WAAC tier army showed up and thought they could steamroll the Xenos like they did every other force (save one) they came across. The Orks and nids fought them to a standstill until the bitch ass daemons left via warp storm and the mortals had to run away or end up being swarmed by gaunts or pulled down by lotz of grotz. Chaos fags will try to claim victory

>>55379140
>Need a wave serpents to avoid being gunned down

You could literally say that for every non-character infantry unit in the index.

>>55379081
One day I'll start a Guard army...

After I finish painting both my current armies, and then after I get my DE army

:(

>>55379023
Aren't FLG in GW's pocket? Banning FW might seriously harm their profits. WAACfags with deep pockets (or mommy's credit card) are a force to be reckoned with/

>>55379213
You can field the same amount as infantry unless you had a truly absurd amount of conscripts. The stats are so close you wouldn't notice much of a difference.