Pathfinder General /pfg/

Is there an option for me if I want to play an angry spell caster who taps into his rage to empower his magic, but I DON'T want to go heavy on the martial side so something like Bloodrager is out? I'm picturing something like a wizard who can empower his magic somehow when he's angry, becoming like a nexus of arcane fury until he's so exhausted from the exertion that he collapses, but he's still a twig of a man who wouldn't be able to swing around a heavy steel sword without falling over.

Or is this a concept that just can't work in Pathfinder right now?

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>>55327445
None as a player.

As a DM, I would rather risk railroading than forcing players into an impossible choice. This way, the characters are the victims of fate instead of themselves.

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>>55327445
My DM isn't forcing me to make a decision, my brain is because it's a dick. If I'm lucky, my DM will decide for me if he doesn't allow the new idea.

I had a character on the backburner for a while now that will fit the game, and am excited to play him, but now I've got something new I like stuck in my head too and I'm not sure which direction I want to go because these two ideas feel incompatible with each other.

This is Hell.

>>55327533
Wilder can be sort of like that

Posting Iron Lewds in case anyone's degenerate enough to apply: https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/88673/iron-gods-and-flesh-desires

>>55327545
>Not enjoying seeing the players find newer and newer ways to fuck themselves over when the alternatives would otherwise solve their problems
weak desu

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>>55327533
Play a Wilder

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/wilder/

>Tell players PCs that if they never take a risk they'll never get ahead of the enemies
>They have to risk working with the spooky demons in order to stop the other demons
It hasn't bit them in the ass yet

Yet

Wasn't this thread combined with the starfinder thread previously? What happened? Why did it split?

>>55327731
Because Starfinder's CRB was released, and it's now capable of supporting itself. Also, the mechanics are different enough that talking about them together can get confusing.

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>>55327731
Not much in common until more stuff gets released, I guess.

>>55327652
I only have two players, and the campaign hasn't gone long enough for them to recognize what are good and bad ideas in my version of Faerun.

Dealing with the Chosen of Tiamat is going to be one of the better options.

>>55327533
If spheres of power is allowed you can set something up like that with spell casting tradition and/or the Thaumaturge class.

Wilder also works as other people have stated. Core the closest is probably kineticist or the magus archetype that gains bloodrager bloddlines.

>>55327774
>>55327785
gotcha

>>55327533
Psychic with the Abomination Discipline or whatever the one that gave you a super powered evil form.

>>55327612
I looked at Wilder before, I don't really like the class much and was hoping for INT-based but I'll take it if it's the only option that works.

>>55327683
What is even happening in this picture?

>>55327801
No SoP unfortunately. But thanks.

>>55327954
I'll look at this, I've never really checked out the Psychic so maybe this is exactly what I've been looking for and I never knew it.

>>55328004
Alternatively ask your GM really, really nicely to let you use the 3.5 Rage Mage Prestige class.

>>55328004
>What is even happening in this picture?
The kid with the crazy hair is the son of Charles Xavier, former leader of the X-men, which split in two after some bullshit happened. Now the leaders of the two factions are asking the son of their former leader to lead them against a world-threatening situation, and when taking charge he uses the same sentence his father used to
That's the important stuff for the context of the page, at least

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>>55328004
It's from X-Men Legacy, near the end of the run.

Basically, the son of Charles Xavier has to unite the X-Men factions to stop a supervillain .

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How do I into jewery, /pfg/?

>>55328137
Build Gardens

>http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/ultimateCampaign/downtime.html

>someone applied to Iron Lewds with Raven.
Why do people do this?

>>55328124
God I loved that series.

>>55328406
Got a link to the game?

>>55328406
>someone brings up the game to draw attention to it
Why do people do this?

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>>55328406
So what, like they used fanart, or...
>Character is literally named Raven
>Uses Teen Titans art

>>55328137

Historically, by charging interest. More recently, by charging unfair amounts of interest.

>>55328453
The same reason that somebody brings up a character to draw attention to them: shilling.

>>55328448
>>55327627

>>55327627
>established gm account
>still reeks of a bamboozle

I'm looking at the skill unlock for heal, which lets you restore HP and ability damage better when you treat deadly wounds. What I'm wondering is, is there a way to make it so you can treat deadly wounds faster? It normally takes an hour but I have to assume there's a feat, a spell, an item, or SOMETHING that can cut that time down.

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>>55328615
I just want to be degenerate with other degenerates.

Am I the only one that finds it a bit odd that 3.X systems seem to have little, if any of the whole "gems are inherently magical" thing that's so common in most other fantasy in fiction? The closest thing I can think of that's also fairly popular to have is Pearls of Power, but even then I don't even know if those are actual pearls or if that's just what they're called.

>>55328406
>Adler
>Crane
>Raven
Is birb name new meta?

>>55328695
This is what birdanon has wrought. I haven't forgotten my own bird. I'm not apping for this, though.

>>55328656
Then app, PM the GM, and shut up.

>>55328656
Argentum plz go

You know what I want? A completely reasonable adventure where the only explicit smut that happens is done by PCs.

In my experience, they do 99% of the smut, anyway.

>>55328787
o-okay...

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>>55328799
I want a game with no smut, even from the players. Just a standard early JRPG-esque clean adventure

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>>55328799
Clearly, you don't adventure in Faerun.

>>55328695
>>55328735
Fuck I didn't really want to play, but now I have to app don't I

>>55328824
The only Drow I wanna be fucking is the Drow in the party. Yes, the one that's always calling me names, I like 'em filthy.

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>>55328824
They can be wholesome too.

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>>55328850
>Not having a Drow wife that's both

>>55328822
Black Ship could be that exactly. The war game could also be that. The journey to end the world game, if it actually happens, could very much be that, and would be >>55328799 at a minimum. Or make a game that fits this criteria.

>>55328822
I'm happy to say that my Saturday Roll20 Pathfinder game has had no actual in-game smut. The Skald has bedded a barmaid off-screen, and there was nudity when they all took a hot bath after a long and dirty dungeon, but no intra-party lewds.

I'm actually glad that there's been no lewds.

>>55328907
If bath scenes and fades don't count, I'm right with you.

>>55328890
I kinda hate that "if you don't see a game that is what you like, make one" argument. Some of us want to play and escape our foreverGM status.

>>55328967
That's fair, I was just pointing out options.

>>55328907
I run 5 games without any smut.

>>55328890
Links to those games?

>>55328967
Running a game greatly increases your odds of being picked for other games.

>>55329052
[citation needed]

>>55329046
Don't have the others, but here's Black Ship. You've got about 50 minutes, champ.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/87074/assault-on-the-black-ship

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>>55328850
It's only an act.

>>55329069
Oh, found the war one! You have a week!

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/88190/the-dukes-coin

The journey to the end of the world was something an anon said they might run, so no link on that.

>>55329062
Name one DM of a /pfg/ game that's not also a player in another game.

>>55329107
That wouldn't exactly prove that point though. Many of the GMs we see were first picked for RotJR, Dragons or one of the earlier memegames and didn't start GMing until later.

>>55329107
Isn't Protag only a GM?

>>55329087
>>55329087
Isn't that comic about how men are shit and the only one who understands her is her futanari demon rapist? I only red up to the point where the demon bit off that guy's dick because it was getting retarded.

>>55329140
So going off of the examples of MaximumSleep, Argentum, SwimmingEagle, and the like, getting picked for a game would actually increase your chances of running something. That'd make sense given that people probably become friends with other players and want to spend more time with them. Right?

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>>55329184
I'm not going to find out.

>>55329184
If it wasn't for the heterosexual sex scene that went on for like 30 pages, I'd believe you.

And I'd still believe you, since that whole sequence felt a bit pandering, as though the author realized people were wising up to the message you just suggested.

>>55329333
As said, I stopped after the demon bit that random guy's dick off.

>>55329283
I want to be your friend, Anon! I want to be everyone's friend!

>>55329357
I thought the toothy castration happened after the hetero-sex?

What is it with you guys and talking about fetish stuff so openly? Random /tg/ goer genuinely curious here.

>>55329379
All the sane people left for greener pastures, all that's left are the madmen.

>>55329379
>>55329406
Nah, this is just a judgement free zone.

>>55329372

Well, you can't, anon. You're only allowed three.

>>55329423
Your folly is thinking that those are mutually exclusive concepts.

>>55329427
Who would your three be?

>>55329423
Well I'm judging you.

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So I've started getting ready to run pic related for my group, does anyone know of or have any player-friendly maps I can throw on the roll20?

All the maps in the book are marked with all the secret doors and many of the traps on them, and I'd rather not redraw them all.

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>>55329379
I wish we weren't like that, honestly.

>>55329520
Why is that Jewish bird trying to kill itself?

>>55329458

Requesting personal information is a violation of the terms of service. As punishment, you are now restricted to two.

>>55329582
Jewish?

I'm running a Wild West fantasy game using Pathfinder soon, I was wondering if you could run a full group of Gunslingers/gun archetypes without the system breaking?

Why does Iron Lewds have to be roll20? I prefer PBP.

>>55329626
That depends, what level of guns are the players going to be using, and how easy is it going to be for them to be able to get access to stuff that will boost their Dodge AC?

>>55329654
It's gonna be all old western guns so revolvers and rifles and shit. As for dodge bonus I was gonna run it incredibly cover heavy with very long ranges in combat. Might only bring out the grid map for close combat. I was thinking of giving everyone free feats over the cours of the game for melee weapons so I can do some cramped room battles to spice shit up

>>55329689
It should be fine then so long as you're doing it with all the cover rules in mind. As an idea for a boss battle, however, might I suggest a tag team of a sniper and spotter, with the spotter being a Warpriest with the Air blessing? What that does is it allows you to ignore range penalties for a full minute for every time it's blessed on a given weapon, and it doesn't have to be used on the user's (the bullet will still not hit at touch past a certain increment though). Combine that with stuff to lower sniping penalties and Warpriest spells for your spotter to boost his partner's attack bonus and you'd have a terrifying foe for your players to go up against.

>>55329838
Thanks! Yea the first arc will be about taking down the corrupt necromancer sheriffs of the area they're in and the second is to take on the demonic torture monster men who culled the new worlds native population generations before "not Europe" found them

What are some interesting magical weapon effects? Vorpal and flaming are too common.

>>55329642
Because PBP is ass for TTRPG?

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>>55329869
Seaborne, since PCs never prepare to fight underwater.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/magic-weapons/magic-weapon-special-abilities/seaborne

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>>55327445

is there some kind of character type, or role that you've never found in a character Archetype, or even 3pp splat?

>>55329989
That's not high Con. That's like 12 Con, 8 Dex, 8 Str.

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>>55330071
You ever put puzzles in your game? What ones have you used?

>>55330131
Didn't mean to quote, sorry.

>>55330131
Is it just me or is this one not physically possible? I've been looking it over for the past 5 minutes and if it's not shopped I'd want to take whoever made it and give them a good ol' whallop.

>>55330131
Puzzles have never really worked out in my games, they're always either too easy or too time consuming to be worthwhile

>>55330222
the trick is that you can backtrack

>>55330238
You can't backtrack though, because unless walking over an orb "deactivates" it walking over one orb then backtracking over it again breaks the pattern.

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>>55329379
anonymity

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>>55330269

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>>55330269
I don't mean literally walk over the orb backwards but you have to go loop backwards to complete it

>>55330302
>>55330313
Oh god now I feel like an idiot, I missed the bit that tripped me up was the backtracking on the inner left section, I somehow forgot that section didn't have another red blocking entry from around that corner. Literally every other step aside from that I had worked out.

>>55330334
>low int
What is it like being a dumb martial? I hope all that manual labor pays well, and that you don't get replaced by summoned monsters, golems, constructs, robots, or just magic. That'd be just tragic.

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>>55329989
I've actually been trying to think of one, but haven't come up with anything.

Paizo's classes may not be able to do things well, but everything is covered.

>>55330694
>Paizo's classes may not be able to do things well, but everything is covered.
>"It's shit but at least we have it" mentality
This is why paizo, dsp, and 3pp devs are content to half-ass shit. Why bother trying if people will be happy with getting at least something?

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>>55330742
I add a few house rules, and ignore some errata in my game.

I am doing optimization for Bodyguard stuff.

Cavalier 1/1 - Saving Shield / Swarm Scatter
Cavalier 2/2 -
Fighter 1/3 - Mobility/Dodge
Fighter 2/4 - Combat Reflexes
Cavalier 3/5 - Bodyguard / In Harm's Way
Cavalier 4/6 -
Cavalier 5/7 - Vanguard Style / Vanguard Ward / Shake it Off
Cavalier 6/8 - Combat Patrol
Cavalier 7/9 - Vanguard Hustle

Which means I can do the following:
Aid Another (To AC with Bodyguard buffed by Order of the Dragon/Helpful/Benevolent): +7 AC
Saving Shield: +2 AC
Vanguard Ward: +6 AC
Banner of Steel Turning: +2 AC
Aid Another (Done by Animal Companion, buffed by Helpful & Benevolent): +4
Swarm Scatter: +1


Total: +22 AC against an incoming attack

I can do this several times per day because I have strength based combat reflexes. Is +22 AC against an incoming attack enough to defend most allies? I'm thinking so, but I am wary.

I'm making a Draconic bloodline Eldritch Scion, any tips on the scion in general?

>>55331194
Jesus Christ anon, +22 AC is enough to protect most allies from your campaign's final boss, much less from the average bastards you're going to be fighting in whatever session you're playing.

>>55327445
did anyone link Assault on Absalom yet?

How would you go about playing a succubus, without using monster race?

>>55331194
it should be enough for pretty much everything, but
will it work if you're flatfooted?
will it work against touchAC attacks?
will it work against AoE attacks?

>>55331215
hold person and that's a TPK if the group expects him to tank for everyone

I need help with something. I'm trying to make a man made out of HP using 1st party. I swear I remember a feat that gave fighters an additional hit point whenever they selected HP for their favored class bonus, but I'm failing ro find it.

>>55331194
I got the numbers wrong. It's +25 to AC because of another item.

>>55331232
>will it work if you're flatfooted?
My animal companion always acts in surprise rounds and is never flat footed, so it partially works. However only +5 ac during the surprise round when I'm flat footed, though my animal companion can In Harm's Way during that round.

>will it work against touchAC attacks?
+15 of the AC applies to touch AC.

>will it work against AoE attacks?
They also gain +2 to all saves when I do this, except for reflex which they gain +4 to.

>>55331215
I just want to protect people.

>>55331315
>I got the numbers wrong. It's +25 to AC because of another item.
Never mind. I am still wrong. It goes to +27 if I spend a standard, but then I can't combat patrol. Also when I do this it doesn't help me, a lot of these don't work on myself or can even lower my AC.

Also my animal companion can absorb some of the damage.

>>55331232
I prefer my villains to be a bit more flashy than just "Hold Person one of your important party members haha I win", sure it's totally plausible and in some people's opinions more effective to just do that, but unless there's more to it than just that it's boring for the players.

>>55331323
>>55331315
I'm still wrong. It's +2 Fort, +4 Reflex, +4 Will. Then more to each if there are more allies around. My squire helps for part of it as well and can technically up it even more.

Minor question: how does summoning actually work? Like less the generic spells, more the long-term stuff like Planar Binding/Ally and shit.

What I mean is, say that Lilith the Succubus is in the Abyss doing whatever when I call her forth with Planar Binding. Does she just blink out of existance from the POV of someone in the Abyss? What about if she's already in a/the material plane? Can outsiders bilocate, or are they as only able to be in one place at a time as mortals?

>>55331456
By RAW the answer to all of your questions are basically "don't think about it", beyond that any particulars, from what I understand, are basically decided by your DM.

Out of curiosity, which LG, NG, or LN Deity do you guys feel has the most flexible code?

>>55331627
Honestly, Iomedae's is pretty forgiving despite her memetic portrayal. It's basically just "Be a good person, fight evil, and don't fight dirty."

>>55331627
Iomedae is based, hands down

>>55328669
There's elemental gems, and the recent Elemental Master book made it so you can use a magic tool kit and create them without any crafting feats.

>>55331997
What? Where?

>>55331203
Pls

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What's the best mount for a cavalier? I like the idea of a tiger or lion but I'm just curious about what else I can get

>>55332417
>his setting has weird ass mounts other than horses

shiggy diggy

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Some of the players in my group, who know me to be a fan of planar cosmologies like 2e/3.X/5e's Great Wheel and 4e's World Axis, have proposed that I run Planescape's Great Wheel with a twist.

There is no Prime Material Plane, and there never was. There are and were no mortals.

The elementals of the Inner Planes and the natives of the Transitive Planes become petitioners in the Outer Planes upon death, who then become outsiders. When an outsider dies, nobody knows what really happens; some say the outsider merges with their plane, others claim that the outsider reincarnates, more still posit that the outsider ascends to a higher reality, and a pessimistic few point to oblivion.

Could this kind of setting work without regular mortals and a regular Prime Material Plane? I imagine that the closest thing you could get to "regular people" and "regular worlds" are air elementals living in floating earth-motes in the Elemental Plane of Air, or perhaps vacuum quasielementals living on immense rocks in the Quasielemental Plane of Vacuum.

I have run settings wherein nobody needs to eat or drink before, so partial post-scarcity is something I know how to handle.

If you think about it, this might not be so bad an analogue for a generic fantasy world. The Elemental Plane of Water takes the place of the ocean, the Paraelemental Plane of Air is the equivalent of the frozen north, the Elemental Plane of Earth is similar enough to the Underdark, the Positive Energy Plane under a more Feywild-like lens could make for lush jungles and verdant forests, the Quasielemental Planes of Ash and Dust would make for exotic deserts, and so on.

The only thing that is missing is a spot for a generic "plains and grasslands" area apart from the Outer Planes, and the Quasielemental Plane of Mineral already exists between Earth and Positive Energy.

Certainly, other settings, like Exalted, already do something similar.

>>55332417
A Boss Hoss.

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>>55332433
Using something other than horses is normal though

>>55328735
>>55328695
I'm so sorry anons, I never meant this when I pulled out my bird book. Is it my fault that in God's plan he made degeneracy so much stronger than a man?

>>55331194
You got some Benevolent Armor?

>>55333067
Choose birds or your pyre.

>>55331826
But you can get down and dirty in other players knowwhatimsaying?

have there been any leaks of the Book of the Damned yet?

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What's your favorite fighting style?

I'm a fan of ye olde sword and board style.

It seems like hardly anyone actually does it, and it saddens me.

>>55333384
Crossbows and mundane/alchemical belts. Basically medieval batman.

You don't know true pain, anon.

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>>55330131
Am I doing something wrong? The other solutions seem overly complicated.

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>>55333384
Goblin Slayer?

>>55333384
Sword & Board for my dwarves and paladins. My other melee are usually THF with greatswords.

Only TWF I've done is with Monks. Haven't tried it with other classes.

>>55333384
I agree with sword and board, though I'm a big fan of Sniping and Einhander as well.

>>55333423
>Goblin Slayer
>Cultured
>Good

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>>55333567

to be fair, i was actually looking for this image and couldn't find it. and settled for Gremlin Murderer

Are there rules that dictate how much can you know about a monster (specially its weaknesses) when you roll the relevant knowledge? I'm tired of vague as fuck answers like "it might resist some damage"

>>55333820
By rules it's you asking a question such as "What are it's defenses, what are it's weaknesses, what abilities it has (including spell-likes)" and the GM telling you what they are.

For example: An ancient blue dragon is a CR 18 creature so that's a 33 knowledge check to ask one question, one extra for every 5 above that check. Let's say you get 39 so you get 2 questions. You ask abilities and defenses. The GM should answer "It has DR magic, immune to electric, paralysis and sleep and has SR" and "It has a breath weapon that does electric damage, it has crush, it has minor image, hallucinatory terrain, ghost sound and ventriloquism spell like abilities and it has electricity aura". However since you didn't ask for attacks and spells-known specifically you'll not get an answer for those. Of course the answers you get aren't probably as static and mechanical, but that's just an example.

>>55333919
Ok, I'ma sking because as it's played right now in my group is "what are it's weaknesses?" and he replies with "It might resist stuff" period, and that doesn't help at all, even when I roll 25-30 (and I'm 5th level char so I assume CR 5-7 monsters).

>>55333409
I think the assumption is that you have to pass *through* the orbs, not stop at the orbs and turn around.

Are there rules for using ill sized weapons or it's just a straight attack malus?

>>55334448
You're not allowed to be a medium-sized character wielding a small-sized weapon because stop gaming our perfect system >:[

>>55334448
There's a change in handedness as you deviate from your size, so a light weapon becomes one-handed, one-handed becomes two-handed, and two-handed can't be wielded.

>>55334448
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/archetypes/paizo-barbarian-archetypes/titan-mauler/

This is made with that in mind.

>>55334469
>>55334515
I'm asking because i'm trying to get a large sized longbow, but RAW doesn't allow it unless i'm missing something
My GM is ok with it as long as i spend something on it, so if it's something already considered that makes it easier for the both of us, otherwise we'll have to gm fiat something

>>55330131
For the record, this is doable. On phone or I'd post the solution.

This is legitimately good, tricks your brain into not seeing the solution.

>>55327701
Hi Vult

>>55334692
Hello Anon

>>55334604
That's actually true. It's pretty clever.

>>55334745
How went the feast with the dragon head and all?

>>55334745
How are you today?

>>55334794
Truncated in favor of summoning the tome demon for negotiations

Met a bunch of plot thread NPCs, got quests and invites to things. They ended up touring the Alchemists Association and have been having a discussion on the nature of magic and miasma while gearing up to hunt cultists of Titania and Gloriana' s Husband

>>55334858
Dead tired

>>55334936
>They ended up touring the Alchemists Association and have been having a discussion on the nature of magic and miasma while gearing up to hunt cultists of Titania and Gloriana' s Husband

They're finally going after the paladin chick's husband? About time. Are you planning to work through every PC's backstory before pushing through with the main plot, or is the husband part of the main quest?

>>55334936
Sounds productive, hope it's been fun

>>55335071
To be fair, they got the hints and plot hooks for him during last arc

And yes, their backstories are going to be the bones of the main plot

>>55335078
It's been very fun

>>55333350
As long as you're not going whoring all the goddamn time. Just be honest about what you want, what you expect of your partner, and give it your best effort in the bedroom.

>>55335173
Great! That's great! As long as you're having fun and the players are enjoying themselves, than that's what matters.

I wish I could get into a game instead of having to watch all the bamboozles go by and, when I do apply, not get in anyway.

Fuck my life.

>>55335565
Just do what Vult did and run a game. We need more.

>>55335686
Isn't there about three games recruiting now? The Duke's Coin one, Test of the Rapestone and the lewdshit bamboozle?

I doubt I'd ever get into any of them anyway.

Anyone else feel the overpowering urge to violently kill all their characters and move on with their life?

>>55335715
So run a game, you're sure to get in that one!

>>55335715
We always need more

What houserules do you use?

>>55335958
Why do we need more? Surely that's enough games? Duke's Coin and Starstone provide enough variety and those who prefer lewd can always go to the bamboozle.

>>55336184
Because I want to actually play in a game and there's dozens of apps I'd be competing with? I want the game, not the memes.

>Be bladebound magus
>GM roleplays your sword as motherfucking Jarvis

>>55334548
Yeah, you can't into Large longbows because they're two-handed normally. Half-Giant would allow it. The Orc Hornbow is basically a Large longbow, but it's considered Medium and Exotic. So, Half-Giant or fluff a Hornbow and get proficiency.

>>55336344
That's how it's done, senpai-a-lam.

>tfw no smug PCs to banter with

>>55336428
I should make a smug character. I usually end up being the level-headed one.

>>55334745
Fuck off Vult.

>>55336184
Iron Lewds isn't a bamboozle, unless not enough people app for it to even get off the ground.

Which do you feel is a more interesting NPC from a purely aesthetic standpoint?

>1. Female Brawler Half-Orc bodyguard who fights by throwing two shields.

>2. Female Swashbuckler Dhampir archaeologist who fights with a Blue Scarf & Scimitar

3. Male Dual Cursed Aged&Blackened Gnome Travelling Salesman who fights by instantly ageing and turning his enemies hands to burned blackened stumps

>Have ER 10 Cold
>Still affected by cold weather
Wut?

>>55336882
There's a forum post somewhere stating the nonlethal from heat and cold are fire and cold respectively, so you do resist them. I'm unsure if it was ever properly FAQ'd

>>55335565
Same bruh. Same.

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Can it be done?

>>55336846
2 or 3. 2 reminds me of Lisa Lisa and 3 is just so out there and something not seen very often that it might be interesting.

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Anyone have an updated playtest pastebin link? I've noticed that a couple of the playtests in the current link are already released and it doesn't have Legendary Gunslingers in it.

>>55334548
there's a few feats for that, like lighten weapon or goliath grip or the titan grip feat line (all in 3rd party)
there's also the original monkey grip feat from 3.5 (complete warrior)

>>55337027
huh
I miss the gos ost

>>55337027
easy. Have a class/item/gm fiat that you deal damage to the akashic record version of the thing. Should you reduce its akashic copy to 0 its concept ceases to exist. Nothing short of divine intervention could bring it back at that point.

As a no-save instant kill, it'd be roughly equivilant to a level 9 maneuver from PoW except stronger since it wouldn't target regular ac and wouldn't have a save. If there were mythic initating or epic initiating it'd be a mythic or 10th level maneuver for its sheer power alone.

>>55337027
High level HarbInger to get around Death effect immunity, true sight, Arcane sight, possibly even blindsight, smash from the air, and of course a reliable way to have a save or die, preferably in a maneuver.

>>55337468
>>55337471
>PoW
Ugh.

>>55337545
they wanted weaboo fightan magic you get a weaboo fightan magic answer. get your head out of you ass

>>55337568
PoW is broken as shit. I'd never allow that at my table. I don't need level 5 pcs oneshotting a cr10 monster AND negating full attacks every round with counters. "Muh versatility" my ass. Initiators just dominate combat but are still the wet noodle of a martial out of combat, but this time they have a fly speed at 10th. Wow. great design there DSPenises.

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>>55337704
Oh boy here we go

>>55337704
Broken or not PoW is much more fun in fights than "full attack lol".

Speaking from both DM and PC side. It's easy to adjust the fights for the inflated damage, but it's hard to make non-PoW martials interesting.

After reading so much about jade regent in here I decided to give it a go and GM it for a couple of friends, but what I read in the first chapter seems odd, so the campaign says they'll end it and turn into 4th level, ok, but the thing is they have several encounters with CR 5 and CR 6 creatures with lots of resistances, DR, regeneration and SR and they can't know this beforehanded. The actual fuck? was this intentional? what am I not seeing?

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>>55337704
muh ivory tower

>>55337739
Steel Flurry Strike, Bronze Knuckle Boost, Elemental Flux Stance, WGA for greatswords in BB. Goodbye antagonists. Goodbye danger. Goodbye plot.

>>55337770
Look, the answer to wizards being broken as shit isn't to make martials just invalidate combat. Fuck off with that ivory tower argument. My complaint was about PoW adding to the preexisting problem of encounter invalidation that full casters have. PoW just doubles that whole thing.

>>55337778
this is literal super bait tier shit DMing. get good m8 both as a DM and baiter

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>>55337778
>he didn't veto WGA working for the UNARMED DISCIPLINE and/or ban Broken Blade

I can't fucking wait for PoW Discipline Errata. Coming WHEN?

>>55337809
I mean, the guy is bait, but good game design wouldn't allow for that kind of damage to only a small subset of options. Especially when it would outright eclipse other options. That's just the illusion of choice, albeit in a mechanical way and not narrative. Wizards have the same problem.

>>55337842
1. Replace Broken Blade with Fool's Errand. Nerf Eflux stance or shame your players for grabbing it.
2. ???
3. Balanced?

>>55337904
Those are solutions to balancing it, but players or GMs shouldn't have to be the ones to do that. That's the developer's job. Or are you someone who agrees with Bethesda's motto of "the modders will fix it"?

>>55337545
>BBEG
Ugh.

>>55337827
The fuck is WGA?

>>55337923
>Ugh
ugh.

>Make a debuffer Int Magus
>Deal more damage than the Barbarian
>Barb player gets mad at me
Ok, if you fucker don't use 2hd weapons, don't pick Power Attack, Furious Focus, etc don't pick Rage powers that deal damage, etc why is it my fault that I deal more damage than you?

>>55337922
The devs already acknowledged it's overtuned, faggot, they're just dirt allow with the errata because they're a 3pp company

>>55337923
>vocal tick indicating general disgust and fatigue with the indicated topic
Ugh

>>55337922
So paizo should just go ahead and print their own ToB, psionics, veilweaving AND simultaneously nerf all vancian casting?

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>>55337986

>ugh.
Pug.

>>55338018
They should have made a better product the first time around. but yeah, putting out things that actually balance the game instead of more shit like the garbo splat books we get would be good.

>>55337994
I don't know what you mean by "dirt allow" anon. And DSP is good to acknowledge it, I wish we got a release date of the maneuver errata or that Taveena wasn't in the gulag.

>>55338056
Dirt slow, phoneposting is a bitch

>>55337986
Ugh ugh.

>>55338056
>Taveena wasn't in the gulag.
I can't believe Taveena is fucking dead

>>55337704
>PoW is broken as shit.
Except that outright isn't true. Only retards believe that. It has a low optimization floor sure, but it's basically *just* damage and being good at combat... Which is considerably more balanced than having your own demiplane, being able to turn everyone you meet into obedient little fuck-slaves, being able to scream things to death, breaking action economy in all sorts of ways, having a trick for *every* situation, etc etc etc, oh and muh crafting and skillpoints.

Those are *all* things that core wizards can do, and while most won't hit the level of optimization that is autismwizard, it's still not hard to singlehandedly solve encounters if you're not fucking retarded.
Take a few moments and actually *think* about whether or not the status quo of paizo/wotc martials is in fact actually good. The answer should be apparent it's a resounding no. They require high optimization to be good at basically one thing and they're useless outside of it.

>>55338321
Gimme a bit. Imma go pop my popcorn while some people are inevitably going to try to argue with you, this is too amusing.

>>55338321
>wizard is the measuring point
Wizards are a problem, yes, but saying "The US nuked Japan, so me killing people isn't a problem" isn't a valid argument.
Casters should be nerfed, other classes should be buffed. Not casters should remain the same and martials should be buffed even more.

>>55338321
You're not wrong, but there's at least a bit more utility than normal martials, which is something. It needs about 2000% more in variety and quantity, though.

>>55338321
It's not that it's broken. It's that it changes the scales so that it is now impossible to scale anything to either wizards or martials, and you force the GM to literally asspull EVERYHTNIG in the game.

If you knew what you were doign to could at least manage to work with building encounters that challenged everyone (protip: almost no one knows what they are doing). With PoW you cannot even pretend to challenge anyone in a party with a caster and a PoW class in it.

I just hate that 1pp martials only have one to three combat options that they spam, no matter the circumstances, round to round. At least casters and initiators change up what they do round to round.

>>55338479
If there's one thing I can say about initiating with gestalt it's that I always have at least a dozen ways to approach things. It's really refreshing change from "I charge and attack" or "I shoot bow", if overwhelming sometimes.

>>55338426
>Casters should be nerfed, other classes should be buffed.
You know they made fourth edition right? It basically does exactly that. What's being complained about is a systemic issue to 3.PF

>Not casters should remain the same and martials should be buffed even more.
It's hard to crack down on casters without banning them outright; and buffing martials so that they're y'know actually good at their area of supposed competence is a non-issue. That's how Tome/Path came to be, they wanted to actually make martials good at their area of competence because previously they *weren't*, while also giving them something more interesting than 'pounce+fullattack' or 'spirited charge & do think'.

>>55338479
I mean, that's just up to how the characters are built. Brawlers, Fighters, and some Monks can change some of their combat options mid-combat if one technique isn't working or they want to mix things up, and some casters specialize in casting a single type of spell to the exclusion of all others.

Initiatiors seem to either change things up round to round out of necessity by burning through their maneuver pool, or just do variations of "I full attack" every round with bonus damage or effects from boosts and maneuvers.

Who is the most smoochable Iconic? Character?

>>55338507
Haven't there been a bunch of fixes from a whole bunch of places, including Paizo itself, to have casters function at a lower power level?

>>55338606
Lower powerlevel by fixing/removing a lot of prestige classes so you cant apply like 7 different metamagics at only increasing the spell level by 1. And not being able to boost DC's to quite the point of ridiculousness that they were in 3.5; that still doesn't fix the 500 billion spells in their spell list among other issues.

>>55338605
Antipaladin every time.

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What's the rundown of Malefex? Is it good? Worth looking at? How does it compare to PoW, full casters, or things like Avowed?

>>55336882
I would personally count resistance to fire and cold them as counting as protection against their respective environments. Like in the 3.5 supplements Frostburn and Sandstorm(?)

>>55339324
Aaayyyy, that's the same supplement my favorite metamagic comes from! God, I love Searing Spell...blasting may not be that potent, but the fluff behind it is amazing. You create a fire so intense that it sets lesser fires on fire.

Building a polearm char; didn't Paizo add their own "reach weapons may attack adjacent" feat at some point or am I going mad?

>>55339048
>Wildlicious
>Not Chaotic Good

>>55339385
Playing in a WotR game with my irl group and I'm playing the wizard. Love killing a fire elemental with a mythic fireball augmented

>>55339385
Energy Substitution was my fav metamagic

>>55339048
>chaotic evil
>not blue strawberry

>>55339438
>blueberry
>LE
Heresy

Why does pathfinder even have a general anymore?

>>55339432
polearm expertise?
weapon trick (Haft Bash) ?
Lunge if your DM allows it (not that hard to imagine lunging back to reduce the reach instead of extending it) ?

>>55339682
Polearm Expertise! There we go. Thank you. I was too retarded to find it for some reason.

>>55339851
probably because it's 3rd party

>>55339869
Fuck. Missed that. Could've sworn paizo added something like that though.

>>55337748
Anyone?

>>55337748
There's nothing wrong with saying "Hey this AP involves you fighting a lot of Outsiders with SR , DR, and Regeneration so keep that in mind when making characters".

>>55339925
Parties aren't always going to fight encounters with CR equal to their level, if the CR of the creatures they're fighting are higher that means it's meant to be a more difficult fight than what they'd otherwise encounter in other areas.

Just tell your players that from what you've seen of the book there's going to be hard encounters, so be sure to at least optimize a bit so they'll be prepared to handle it.

>>55340054
I think he was more concerned about it being an under 4th level campaign

>>55340077
If he's referring to a certain Oni in book 1, the book already explains how to handle that. Have him make tactically bad decisions just to mock the PC's until he gets in too deep and bites it.

>>55340101
>Oni
There's also a octopus demon thing that is CR 6 and is even worse than the oni

In book 1 of Rebels your party is meant to fight a couple of Lemures, Devils with DR5/Silver or Good, the latter of which you are definitely not going to have at level 1, immunity to fire, mind effects, and for level 1's they may as well be immune to acid and cold so there goes your caster's ability to assist in any meaningful way. There's also TWO of them, and if I recall correctly there's no buildup to the introduction of the devils beforehand and the game either doesn't give the players any silver weapons or only gives one, I can't remember, but regardless it's meant to be an incredibly difficult fight.

Stuff like this happens regularly, it's up to your players to rise to the challenge.

>>55340257
>tfw my GM put 5 of those in a 1st level game
>tfw he scolded us for picking stuff like power attack and similar feats before starting the game
>tfw TPK so hard because he also trapped us in there with them

You can always withdraw if you can, it's actually funny doing so when the plot depends on those monsters getting defeated and see how the GM gets mad over his own incompetence

>>55340121
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/unique-monsters/cr-6/nindinzego-advanced-half-fiend-decapus/
This thing? if a 3rd level four men group can't beat this they should be playing easier stuff like bouncing the ball

What are the best games recruiting right now on roll20? Duke's Coin? Starstone? Iron Lewd?

>Weapon trick (Choke up)
So if i'm reading this right i can simply take a -2 to every attack roll and enjoy having a serious shield all the time, with every other polearm benefit? Two skill ranks is basically nothing for a prerequisite

>>55340505
YOUR MAGIC SHALL NOT SAVE YOU.

Also, that's a -2 damage, too.

>>55340582
You're right, i didn't see that part. Still, 2 less damage is not that big of a deal
what magic are you talking about

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>>55340630
spellbreakers, yo

>>55340375
You joking right? For starters not everybody is going to have magic weapons by then, the shops in the nearest town only has a dagger +2 that players can't buy because 3rd level, and the other two they could find are a wakizashi (not everybody is proficient in) and a kusarigama (not only not everybody is proficient in it you also need to beat an evil outsider CR 5 to get it). Second that creature literally says fuck you to any debuffer/blaster caster, third it has 4 attacks one of them with grab and fourth it also flies. Srly, if you think that's piss easy for a non prepared 3rd level group you're either stupid or trolling.

>>55340675
I'm sorry, that reference flew way past my head
What's it supposed to be?

>>55340750
Guy holding a glaive and a tower shield, duh.

Aside from making Poppets at first level is level 5 the earliest you can begin to craft or grow servants like constructs, Golems and Leshies?

>>55340783
>that
>a glaive
surely you jest

>>55340834
It's a Warcraft definition of a glaive i.e bigger, pointier and longer than yours

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>>55340834

No one knows what the fuck a glaive is, anon.

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>When you just want to play pathfinder but the last 2 groups you've played with are 3.5 groups

>>55340937
There isn't really much of a difference, what's the problem?

>>55340937
>limit the group to PHB/GMG and splatbook of choice
>level progression based on hit die
>every major problem is fixed
wow so hard
also why not apply to the several roll20 campaigns available?

Human Tattooed Sorcerer (??? Bloodline) - 20 point buy. Debating replacing human bonus feat with awareness (+1 to all saves)

Str 7
Dex 14
Con 14
Int 8
Wis 8
Cha 19

Good spread?

>>55341135

Shit,

>Con 16

>>55341135
>literally dumping 3 stats to absolute minimums

Roleplay is dead

>>55340750
It's a Blood Elf Spellbreaker. They were specialist fighter/mages who were immune to hostile magic, they could steal buffs from enemy units and put them on friendly ones, steal summonable minions gaining control of them, and their basic attacks (throwing the double-sword aka 'glaive' a distance) burned mana causing damage (less effective vs heroes).

They were pretty common in human spellcaster strats because they were decently robust and could ignore aoe damage from friendly units while still getting buffed and heals by friendlies.

YOUR MAGIC IS MINE!

>>55341215
>absolute minimum
>int is not 7
>wis is not 7
pls explain

also
>>55341135
>20 PB
20 PB a shit

>>55341215

My inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-s0XOpfXvo

>>55341311

I was thinking about dropping those further. Don't have a choice about 20 pb though.

>>55341215
*non-erotic roleplay is dead.
I've seen you fucks leak that shit out here.

>>55341215
My group plays with 25 point buy but you can't have anything below 10 unless race penalties. I'm totally fine with it.

>>55341135
>>55341150
>8 Int/Wis
>to get 16 Con

Shit nigga. I'd say that 19 Cha is also probably a waste with 20 PB, but you're a fullcaster so that's probably all you need. Still, fuckin' hell dude.

>Replace racial attributes with either your choice of a +2 to any one stat, or your choice of any "+2 to a physical, +2 to a mental, -2 to third stat"

If you had a character generation house rule like that, would that impact your character
building choice, and if so, what would you do?

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>go to college dnd club
>expect to be playing 5e
>get sat down for pathfinder
>have fun first session, am about to go again today
I'm playing a witch. What do I do to not suck?

>>55341440

Debuff. Cackle.

>>55341440
Debuff, cackle, eat children and have a wand of cure light wounds.

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>>55341392
A motherfucking full-on muttering whackjob, actual honest to goodness goddamn Elf, as an Occultist covered in trinkets. Not even a Dex one, goddamn Str/Int, with no Con Penalty. It would be goddamn amazing.

>>55341392
Dorf. I want to play a meme dwarf. An honest to god stereotypical Gimli dwarf who drinks a shitload of alcohol and is ridiculously strong.

>>55341392
We're playing with that only that the -2 to third stat has to be either con or wis.

At this point I feel like I'm incapable of playing without this house rule.

>>55341620
Damn, Paladins have it good with you

>>55341669
And monks!

I feel like there's no amazing way to fix it. If you let people pick the negative stat you may aswell just remove it altogether because it won't impact the PB by more than 2 anyways.

>>55341745
>and monks

They have it awful, because they NEED con and wis

>>55341745
What if you let them pick the minus, but no stat below 7 or 8?

>>55341778
Anything that needs con and wis has it awful, and everyone kinda needs con, so anything that likes wis is kinda dicked.

>>55341847
Not a big fan of dumping below 10 in the first place.

>>55336184
>Thinking Iron Lewds is a bamboozle
You underestimate our degeneracy.

>>55338441
You're a failure of a GM.

Is 4 STR as a level 1 wizard too little? What kind of normal familiar is strong enough for me to throw a saddle pack or similar on?

>>55342321
With those stats, I'm thinking a Mauler might be your best option man.

Everyone complains about challenging players. Players don't want to be challenged. I have never encountered someone who didn't play the game for wish fullfillment and didn't freak out the fucking moment anything even remotely didn't go their way.

>>55342351
Sounds like you've been stuck playing with a bunch of shitters.

>>55342321
The first shadow you meet will kill you.

>>55338841
Steve or the duergar?

>>55342321
seeing as some things could instakill you with touch attack 1d6 to str, yeah

>>55342351
get better players, then
i miss having an active group

>>55342351
As someone who's been a player, a GM, in a party with good GMs and bad, my response to this is that it all depends on the level of understanding between the players and the one running the show.

A good GM will make it clear through good storytelling, context clues, and yes the occasional knowledge roll whether or not an enemy is within the realm of the defeatable, and if you have good players they'll learn to think outside the box and not just say "we give up" or "we run away" the moment things don't just immediately go their way.

Bad players are like children that haven't grown up yet, they're still not yet past the phase of "Billy is playing with my ball even though I've been playing with it for half an hour, but since I want to continue playing with it I'm going to say that isn't fair."

Bad GMs actually DO think that it's their job to kill their players, which unless the players came into the game expecting that and planning for it just comes down to the players being a dick.

>>55342499
*to the players thinking that he is being a dick, is what I meant to say.

>>55342332
I guess that would be the smart thing to do if I have 4 STR, and Wizards are suppose to be smart.

>>55342412
>>55342454
I didn't think that would be something we'd run into at 1st level and I always thought that by the time you get off the ground as a wizard you don't really need to fear your bad STR anymore because you've got amazing magic and a bag of holding.

>>55342499
I'm just of the school of thinking that it's a good fight if at least one guy goes down or was ready for the chopping block whether because of poor rolls or poor positioning.

Are there any builds that have combo attacks? Where the first hit sets up the second hit to be stronger? Preferably within the same turn.

>>55342874
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/hammer-the-gap-combat/

>>55342591
I mean if you don't run into anything that does Str damage, sure you'll be fine.

The moment you do though, you're probably fucked.

>>55342908
That only works if you have tons of attacks though

>>55343017
Weirdly enough so far the best use for that I've found was on a picaroon swashbuckler. Rapid shot and haste on the pistol and then use the TWF attacks on your rapier. Alternatively monk.

I just realized that Hammer the Gap really works best on the worst classes in the game.

>>55341440
Sleep at low levels, Misfortune/EvilEye+Cackle when you aren't casting spells. Focus on spells that are good for control and debuffs, like using Lipstitch or Lock Gaze on enemy casters to prevent them from screwing your allies, and using Vomit Swarm to screw with enemy martials

If you take an archetype, adjust playstyle as needed

>>55342981
So would 7 STR be good enough then, you think? Or do I need to be looking at 10 STR for my Wizard?

Diviner focused mostly on buffing, debuffing, and control, FYI. Unless I end up going Exploiter Wizard.

>>55343084
7 is fine. Hell, 4 is... workable, if you can somehow boost your saves and AC high enough. Just not seeing it on a Weezard.

Heyyy friends.

I need some kobold character art. Male or indeterminate. Preferably heavy armor, but not necessary.

I'd ask in a character art thread but there doesn't seem to be one.

>>55342908
That's kinda small for what I was thinking. I'm talking like something that lowers there ac, followed by a big hit, or a thing that knocks down enemies followed by an off the ground attack to continue.

>>55343065
>Hammer the Gap really works best on the worst classes in the game.
Really makes you think

>>55342648
The bigger the challenge the bigger the emotional payoff when you succeed.

>>55343195
improved feint or two weapon feinting

>>55343252
The more I think about it the more hammer the gap works on absolutely oddball builds and classes. TWF monowhips or laser torches in a game with tech, TWF gunslingers or bolt aces and many more with access to ways to hit enemy's touch ac.

>>55343195
Well I actually have 8 STR right now, 11 before racial and age. I could drop it down to 7 and throw the extra point at CON to raise it from 12 to 13, but because I'm going to put all of my level up bonuses into INT that extra odd point of CON doesn't really do me much. I'm afraid to drop my STR lower than 7, but getting to boost my other stats higher might be worth it? That's why I asked if 4 is too low, that's the lowest it can drop to.

>>55343329
>Feinting
>Not shit
All of that to just deny dex to ac always feels pretty underpowered. That's at best what, 4 AC on speedy guys, and a lot less on normal or big guys? And I have to either not full attack, or twf and give up the first attack? I'd unironically take weapon focus over that.

Comboanon, the best I've found is the Iron Wave type maneuvers from Mithral Current with a silver weapon. First you sword beam a guy from afar, and give him vulnerability to silver, move up to him, and on the next turn, slice him up for 1.5x damage.

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>>55343160
this good? I may have one or two more

>>55343448
>Wizard
>Running 12 CON
You need 14 at the very minimum, if not outright 16 to not get AoE instakill-ed. Dump your FCB into HP, extra spells come cheap to a wizard, extra HP doesn't.

>>55343160
https://www.google.com/search?q=kobold+full+armor&rlz=1C1ASUC_enIT694IT694&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi84PWssp7WAhVhKcAKHcjpBDEQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950

Was that REALLY so hard?

>>55343462
>path of war
anon, please.

>>55343494
>PoW
Ugh

>>55343468

>That shield
Might raise some uncomfortable questions, don't you think?

>>55343500
>Ugh
Ugh

>>55343195
TWF or monk, trip feats, shitton of dex and combat reflexes to bathe in glorious AoO's
Make sure to look around for odd feats that trigger AoO, there are a lot of them hidden around

>>55343462
It also negates Dodge bonuses and anything else that might be negated at the same time as Dex.

Basically it's what your GM puts on enemies when your party's Monk decided to jack his AC into the low 30's before level 5 and literally nothing short of a nat 20 crit can hit.

>>55343516
Pretend it says "Dragon Tithe" or something else instead

>>55343480
Normally, I agree, but I really wanted 16 DEX. My FCB is already definitely going into HP, no question there. I was thinking if I can manage to get through the early levels, the low HP would stop being as much of a problem.

My current stats are 11/17/11/17/7/7 (8/16/12/18/8/10 after racials and age), working off 20 PB.

It's probably not necessary to have 16 DEX, I guess? I really like the extra initiative and AC, but I'm already a Diviner wizard (unless I end up going Exploiter archetype, which gives up arcane school) so it probably isn't worth it. I could be rocking a 16 CON and 14 DEX without having to touch the rest of my stats.

>>55343544
>Monk
>Dat sense motive
Muda Muda

>>55343462
Main purpose for feint is for rogues or people with sneak-attack to go shank shank whenever they don't have a flanking partner.

>>55343462
>>55343544
don't forget that an enemy who gets his dex bonus to AC denied is open to sneak attacks

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How does one play a chaotic evil healslut? Preferably without going too heavily down the necromancer route.

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>>55343468
I went through Guoh's stuff looking for something, but couldn't find one I felt fit. I DID find pic related though elsewhere, so all is well.

>>55343486
>Implying I didn't try that.

Character art is serious business.

>>55343581
>Monk
>Having enough skill tanks to afford putting anything into Sense Motive

I cry evrytim

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This combo talk has got me thinking. What if there was a class that got main+off hand hits on standards, free twf chain, and had a bunch of class features to add effects once per round on a hit. The effects could be something like "Teleport as part of this hit" or "lower X save by Y for the next roll enemy makes" and then status debuffs, or bonus damage on failed saves. Point being to allow a lot of different effects on each full attack or standard attack. Maybe even side talents that do something like "light area damage when you teleport". Call it something like shinobi, street fighter, or blade dancer or whatever.

>>55343672
You're basically describing the thought process that ended up creating PoW, the people who made that were a bunch of weebs that made Pathfinder just as weeby as them.

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>>55343620
You go the Bonesaw route. You love fixing and healing people, but you also love to expereiment on them, cut up and poke around in the body to see how it works, and even "improve" on their designs. You have no scruples about experimenting on bodies, even those of living people, and to you efficiency is more important than the pained manic screams coming from people you're putting to the needle and knife. Things like ethic, laws, protocol, and such are bothersome and only slow you down, and surely its your duty as a doctor to do everything you can to "fix" and "improve" people, even if you have to break a few eggs to make your omlette

Basically, you wanna go the Frankenstein/Herbert West route

>>55343672
Tome of Battle. What you're thinking of is Tome of Battle, and possibly PoW if the errata actually helps tune the numbers properly. Unless you're going to REEEEE at the "expending and recovering maneuvers" thing.

I don't know if Spheres of Might does any of that, but I still have yet to hear ANYONE say nice things about it so take that as you will.

>>55343620
You ask for payment in blood

>>55343701
>>55343708
Tome of Battle and PoW are kinda different from what I had in mind. Maneuvers don't really mesh well with twf, and I wanted smaller effects that would be chosed each hit of each round. No recovery stuff. And have less outright damage and more debuffs, buffs for you, and movement things as the rider effects, with talents to further augment certain kinds of rider effects. Hopefully I could make enough options available to the player each turn that they'd have to prioritize, and that each round wouldn't be the same combo spammed over and over.

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>>55343702
>You go the Bonesaw route

Play a wrestler?

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>>55343620
Like they say, imitation is the biggest form of flattery

>>55343808
No, play a homicidal child from a relatively popular web serial that, while enjoyable and an interesting read, is ultimately not as good as fans hype it up to be, but is still a decent enough read and I enjoyed it.

fresh bread

>>55343908
>>55343908
>>55343908

>>55343842
I feel like the problem with Worm is that the writer focused too much on the grimderp. If he'd just made things a bit more reasonable, it wouldn't have turned out so bad.

somehow he even managed to alienate himself from Spacebattles of all places by doing that shit - they still love the story, but they don't really love him.

>>55343842
Setting's interesting, but where the author went with it was just alright is how I feel bout Worm.

>>55342351
What's the point of playing if there's no challenge and the roleplay isn't good? If I just wanted to wank myself... I'd wank myself.

>>55342415
Steve.

>>55343708
>Complaining about expending and recovering maneuvers
Someone's been reading my playbook

REEEEEEEE

>>55343702
Caaaaaaarl.

Did you finish your meat-dragon?