EDH/Commander General /edhg/

board wipes are against the spirit of edh. if you use board wipes, you are the cancer killing this format.

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>>55252447
By turning the board into a boxing ring

>>55252447
Decree of pzin to draw 16 cards.
Then discard 17 cards at end step. Felt bad man

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>>55245876
>elves
>not iconic

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>>55252462

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WIZARDS, TELL ME FINALLY WHICH CREATURES WILL BECOME DINOS WITH THE ERRATA!

Ive won with worldslayer 5 times now, what other build of boros do I try next?

>>55252462
t. green faggot

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>>55251180
>tfw building UG merfolk tribal

It's either her, Zegana, or Thrasios

>>55252382
Post your list

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If I rebound this with Taigam, Ojutai Master what happens?

>>55252667
>If I rebound this with Taigam, Ojutai Master what happens?

you gain 7 life and put it into your library

>>55252447
All is Dust is a fun card as is O-Stone

>>55252667
>>55252691
Think that'd work if you could somehow cast it from rebound BEFORE casting it from your hand, anon. :^)

>>55252667
>702.87a Rebound appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents a static ability that functions while the spell is on the stack and may create a delayed triggered ability. “Rebound” means “If this spell was cast from your hand, instead of putting it into your graveyard as it resolves, exile it and, at the beginning of your next upkeep, you may cast this card from exile without paying its mana cost.”

It puts itself into your library before you'd be able to Rebound it.

>>55252478
Not the most iconic green creature type.

>>55252578
Mizzix of the Izmagnus

Swiftfoot Boots, Gilded Lotus, Izzet Signet, Lightning Greaves, Worn Powerstone, Thought Vessel, Sol Ring, Pyromancer's Goggles, Expedition Map

Goblin Electromancer, Melek, Izzet Paragon, Baral, Chief of Compliance, Snapcaster Mage, Laboratory Maniac, Guttersnipe

Swarm Intelligence

Counterflux, Reiterate, Aetherize, Firemind's, Foresight, Capsize, Turnabout, Dig Through Time, Stroke of Genius, Cyclonic Rift, Prophetic Bolt, Rewind, Seething Song, Blue Sun's Zenith, Fact or Fiction. Mystic Confluence, Scour from Existence, Frantic Search, Increasing Vengeance
Brainstorm, Mystical Tutor, Cryptic Command, Insidious Will, Impulse, Wild Ricochet, Geistblast, Reality Spasm. Refuse, Disallow, Summary Dismissal, Pull from Tomorrow, Comet Storm

Command Tower, Reliquary Tower, Temple of Epiphany, Izzet Boilerworks, Desolate Lighthouse, Halimar Depths, Cascade Bluffs, Scalding Tarn, Shivan Reef, Wandering Fumarole, Temple of the False God, Sulfur Falls, Steam Vents, Command Beacon, Reflecting Pool, 3 Mountain, Izzet Guildgate, Spirebluff Canal, Volcanic Island, 4 Island, Swiftwater Cliffs, Highland Lake, Mirrorpool, Vesuva, Cephalid Coliseum, Deserted Temple, Myriad Landscape, Thespian's Stage, Lotus Vale, Path of Ancestry

Ral Zarek

Vandalblast, Past in Flames, Windfall, Preordain, Treasure Cruise, Chain Reaction, Mana Geyser, Merchant Scroll, Epic Experiment, Tezzeret's Gambit, Volcanic Vision, Ponder, Mizzix's Mastery, Blasphemous Act, Mystic Retrieval, Inner Fire

im trying to find a way to squeeze in an izzet chemister

>>55252725
>copypasting your whole decklist
Holy fucking shit anon use Tapped Out.

>>55252667
>>55252691
>>55252706
>>55252708
So basically, it fails at every single step of the idea.

>>55252719
Which would be what, in your eyes?

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>>55252447
pic or merciless eviction.

>>55252846
Not him, but Wurms are more iconic.

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>>55252846
W U R M S
U
R
M
S

>>55252856
>Wurms more iconic than elves

Call me back when there's been a tournament winning Wurm deck in several format.

>>55252855
deluge is the truth.

>>55252840
when you cast it the first time, the card says that upon resolve you put it in your library 7th from the top, rebound doesn't happen

>>55252865
Doesn't have to be. They're still more iconic.

>>55252856
>>55252861
WotC considers each Color to have two Iconics. Their Big Icons and Small Icons.

>White
Humans
Angels

>Blue
Merfolk
Sphinxes

>Black
Zombies
Demons

>Red
Goblins
Dragons

>Green
Elves
-Issues-

Green's Iconic started out as Wurms, but the playerbase as a whole is not half so enthusiastic about Wurms as they are about Angels, Demons, or Dragons. They've been pushed out by Hydras over time. Thanks to there being a lot of infighting between Hydras and Wurms, with some sets using one or the other as the big iconic creature, both of them suffer.

>>55252877
Yes, that's already been pointed out.

>>55252878
>>55252865
>>55252856
>>55252846
>>55252719

why not both? elves in the lower curve and wurms in the upper one. it's not like you can only print wurms for green.

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>>55252896
FUCK hydras!

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>>55252907
>best wurm isnt even green

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>>55252907
>why not both?

Because Wurms got fired.
Hydras test better in the market research.

Name me the best horror creatures/commanders! Currently running Gitrog, but want to delve into a horror tribal deck.

>>55252896
this.

on a side note hydras are more interesting than wurms. wurms are mostly known to be vanilla big creatures. good for new players, but hydras got their own complex X mana cost and +1+1counters mechanic which will just play better in a set aimed at experienced players.
thinking about it i can't imagine an experienced player ever being excited about a wurm(aside for the call).
i'd rather meme about first picking grizzly bear than going to a draft to pick some vanilla wurms.

>>55252725
Use tapped out, other than that it looks pretty standard at first glance

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>>55252941
Errata'd to be a Horror.
You'll have a hard time using it though, since having "I'm very specifically going to kill your commanders" as an ability spooks people into shooting her on sight.

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>>55252941
>Name me the best horror creatures/commanders!

>>55252942
The other thing is that it's flavorfully a whole lot easier to print a Hydra with Reach than a Wurm with it, so it can interact with the other Big Icons.

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how do i build kess without doing storm?

>>55253058
Storm is the logical endgame of spellslingers.

>>55253058
Choose a medium-big spell and copy it many times.

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>>55252691
>>55252706
>>55252708

how do I build him then? I don't want to go the tokens route nor do I want to do the time warp route because that would be boring...

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>>55253096
Straightforward card advantage spells and white removal become very appealing when they happen twice.

>>55253096
>3/4
>4 mana cmc
>no flying
>has to attack

>>55253096
Because you need to attack with him, you need much evasion like rogues passage

>>55253096
Removal and bounce help him survive the attack and with rebound they are extra saucy.

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Rules question.

OK, so I have mairsil out, with quicksilver elemental, pila pala, and gilded lotus caged.

So I tap the lotus ability for UUU, use two of them to untap mairsil and make another U (total of UU). Then I use quicksilver to copy myself and gain those abilities. This achieves infinite mana even with the "once per turn" ruling gained from the quicksilver version of the abilities.

Here is my question. How does it actually work? Does it gain one instance at a time or does it read like

1x abilities
2x abilities
4x abilities
8x abilities
16x abilities

and so on? This is pretty much semantics but could save mana in many non infinite situations.

>>55253186
Pretty sure it's the exponential ability growth route.

>>55253058
This
>>55253089

Just go full extra turns and shit and be that asshole. The 10~ish good extra turn spells, a shit ton of tutors, some removal and countermagic, and some utility spells for fun.

>>55253058
Buyback tribal, since you only have to buyback your spells every other time with her.

Also be aware that flicker effects give her another use of her ability, so deadeye and the like work well with her.

Extra turn spells are easily abusable as well.

>>55253068
well ive never built a storm deck, if i were going to go that way how do i build it for relatively cheap?

>>55253224
how do i win after im done pissing everyone off with my extra turns?

>>55253274
>Buyback tribal
explain please, i dont know how that interaction works cause im an idiot

>>55252447
Can we apocalypse and the teferis protection to fuck everyone over?

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>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?
love resolving this and just watching everyone scoop

>>55253058
reanimator

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>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?

It's not a true wipe, but I really like Breath of Darigaaz. It'll leave my flyers (typically Dragons) alone, wipe out almost anything else, and since my small ground utility creatures typically die too, I'm usually not retaliated against.

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>>55252447
Carry him since my very first EDH deck, never dissapointed me

>>55253322
>Cast buyback spell without paying the buyback. It goes to the gy
>Cast buyback spell from gy, paying the buyback. It will end in your hand.

>>55253416
how does it end in your hand? do i resolve kees before the spell resolves?

>>55253328
Yes.

>>55253443
Read Kess carefully.
>If a card cast this way would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead.
Which means if it wouldn't be put in your graveyard (like if you buyback it) then you don't exile it.

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>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?
having an indestructible general is bae

>>55253443
Kess says to exile it instead of putting it into the graveyard.
Buyback says to put it into your hand instead of putting it into the graveyard.
When the time comes and it attempts to go to the graveyard, you get to choose how to apply the replacement effects.

I feel horrible for newer people to magic and to my LGS when they play and start winning. The people at my LGS get so pissy when they're being killed even if they're clearly the threat on the board or could be in the next turn. It took me a while to learn to not give a shit if some sperg starts crying that I smacked him and I actually kept myself from hitting people too hard because of that shit. Do you guys deal with that at your LGS?

>>55253488
Erebos?

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>>55253488
>paying 4 when you can play 3

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>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?

>>55253553
Probably Zurgo, master of boardwipes.

>>55253491
Not exactly, Kess says it gets exiled if it would go back into the graveyard. With buyback that doesn't happen.

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>Tainted Remedy + Arbiter of Knollridge
>Kill 3 players in one go because I had so much life

>>55253571
That's pretty cool, but doesn't win you the game with Cabal Coffers and Repercussion.

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>>55253571
>implying pest isnt my wincon
>>55253553

>>55253409
This card saved me too many time to count while playing against a Mayael deck of a friend of mine

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>>55253613
excellent choice

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duress is back

professor reacts: https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1504706393495.webm

>>55253598
Yes exactly.

>702.26a Buyback appears on some instants and sorceries. It represents two static abilities that function while the spell is on the stack. “Buyback [cost]” means “You may pay an additional [cost] as you cast this spell” and “If the buyback cost was paid, put this spell into its owner’s hand instead of into that player’s graveyard as it resolves.” Paying a spell’s buyback cost follows the rules for paying additional costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.

Both are replacement effects attempting to replace the event of putting the card into its owner's graveyard. The owner of the affected object gets to choose which one is applied.

The important thing to note here is that you do get a choice. So, if there is some peculiar situation like someone flashed in a Black Vise or something where you suddenly don't want the card in your hand even though you paid for the buyback, you can still choose to let it be exiled.

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Worth?

>>55253659
I remember back when Slice in Twain was in everything with green.

>>55253659
Link to the post, not the webm itself.

>>55253707
>combat damage

>>55253659
>duress
meh will see standard play as always but honestly there should be so much more reprinted in this set

>opt
definitely will see standard play and now will definitely see modern play. pretty great card

>slive and twain
utter shit

>>55253707
>combat damage
Yes, you should do it.

>>55253728
fuck

>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?

Like a proper eldrazi artifact

I want to finish my mono green deck by making omnath the commander. How do I win with him, what are some good cards, how do I stop omnath getting killed, especially by boardwipes (everyone I play against runs like 40 boardwipes)

>>55253707
>i cant read: the image

>>55253761
>eldrazi artifact
>proper
lewd at best
wrong at worst

>>55252447
Either through honorable combat forcing my opponents creatures to fight or forcing the death tax.

>>55252447
>How do YOU wipe the board, /tg/?
The DISK goes in every deck.
EVERY DECK
every deck worth playing anyway lmao

>>55253716
I still like it.

help me make this better.....but on a budget? I can't really afford to pick up all of the good black tutors. I just wanna play big spells with Vial Smasher. Yes, I know Crucible of Worlds is a thing and I will be getting that at some point.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jund-vial-smasher/

>>55253659
I wonder if Opt will go the Serum Visions route where a common will become overpriced af because Modern

>>55253914
in 5 years maybe

>>55253925
I mean, Fatal Push is an uncommon of a set in print and it's 8 dollars. I never doubt this game's fucked up market.

>>55253938
Opt has an older printing.

>>55253951
this and not every deck NEEDS filtering
every deck needs interaction of some sort
not to mention black is the new blue in terms of common cards to see in standard

>>55253938
Fatal Push is a shortprint uncommon. Due to the way the print sheets are arranged, some cards are printed in Rare quantities, but show up in uncommon slots. Push seems to be one such card, based on how many of them people typically get from opening a box.

>>55254011
nice urban legend

>>55254011
I noticed this also with Censor and Abrade. Me and my friends crack packs like mad men because we hate money and we all agree that these cards are more uncommon than your usual uncommon.

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What do you think of filter lands? Will they be reprinted?

>>55254069
They could be
>ICONIC

>>55254069
Considering that we're getting TypeCheck lands in Ixilan; probably not for another few sets.

-

Running Nazahn as a toolbox commander, Voltron with other legendaries. What's some good tech for anti wizard/spellslinger?

i'm sure everyone remembers making their first commander deck, but what about your second? What things did you learn from making the first that you applied to the second one?

>>55254115
Lightning Greaves aren't a meme.

>>55254023
MaRo actually explained the rarity sheet thing in one of his podcasts. That part is confirmed.

Fatal Push being one could be sort of an urban legend, but one that seems supported.

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>>55254162
I said no such thing

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>>55254162
>>55254204
you are right he meant
(((ROSEWATER)))

>>55254223
haha i get it
bc he jewish!

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Is there any decent tech for a Fumiko deck? Crawlspace and Kazuul are the best cards I can think of. Also thinking about trying to get equipment that gives lifelink or vigilance or possibly trying to go wide with tokens of some sort.

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>>55254269

>>55253659
Slice looks sweet

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>>55254269

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>>55254269

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>>55254355
Or if you prefer trample and can get vigilance off of one of those shields

>>55254230
duh

>>55254333
>>55254355
>>55254380
>>55254384
These are pretty good, thanks. My only fear now is that people won't funnel attacks my way because they don't having to attack each time and would rather go back to waiting around.

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>>55252447

>>55254456
just checking:

you know your deck is going to be pretty dang weak, right? it'll probably be fun, but it won't slam dunk in most tables. you're in mono-red so your best chance of winning will be with insurrection or mob rule

>>55254498
Yeah, it's just going to be a silly deck made for fun, most of the games in my playgroup are fairly slow so I figure this will make things a bit more interesting every now and then.

>>55253747
>slice in twain
>shit
Sounds like you don't know anything about magic. It's stupidly strong because it hits both artifacts and enchantments, then cantrips with a colour that can ramp really easily. Is it as good as vandalblast? No, not really, but it's better than most of the removal out now.

>>55254457
YOU COULDA BEEN SOMETHING YOU LAZY FUCK
WHY DONT YOU POP OUT 4/4s?!
WHY DOES YOUR HASTE ONLY WORK WITH DINOS
WHY ARE YOU SO SHIT?!

>>55254546
to be fair, i only see it worth in G(RW) where you have tons of mana and you can't into creature synergies for some reason

>>55254546
>Sounds like you don't know anything about magic
>4 mana for an effect thats 4x as expensive as nature's claim

>>55254573
Tribal isn't allowed to be good.

>>55254588
Completely different card for completely different purposes. Nature's Claim is great, but it's removal with a simple downside easily offset in EDH. Slice in Twain is always good, assuming you have the mana to cast it, but it's late game.

Really, Sylvan Reclamation is way better than both, but considering Slice in Twain is in standard, it's going to see play.

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>>55254573
It's meant to be so you can flip this and still have defenders

>>55254573
>>55254601
It is actually quite good. You guys are being ridiculous.

>>55254642
For dinos, yeah, it's good if you look at what they have. It's just nothing amazing like some other tribes get.

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Real talk:
Why aren't you running Trinket Mage?
>fetches your sol ring
>fetches your top
>fetches artifact lands
>skullclamp
>tormad's/relic
>moxes
And provides a chump

>>55254653
What were you expecting? Urabrask except he clones himself?

This is solid.

>>55254668
I never said it wasn't solid. It's good for dinos. I'm not the anon who freaked out and went on a rant about it.

>>55254663
trinket mage has been a staple since journeyers kite was considered playable
everyone knows about it, everyone runs it
this is not any sort of secret tech

>>55254663
Honestly dropped him in my Inalla deck because I wasn't running enough relevant targets. I run Trophy Mage to fetch my Altars because they're combo pieces, but I don't often need to fetch mana rocks.

>>55254457
>not benis XDXDXD wumr
>not broodmate dragon
>not playable in 5c rite of rep.dek
suffering

>>55254663
I'd get some strange looks casting him in Karlov, I think.

>>55254668
Speaking of Urabrask, I run him as a commander in my monored deck, and he's extremely underrated. I've built Elesh Norn, Vorinclex and Jin Gitaxias, but for some reason no one ever pays attention to Urabrask until it's too late.

The idea is you slap him down t4 or sooner, depending on what ramp you hit, then play a bunch of beaters with burn upside to control the board and smash face. Combined with things like Blood Moon and Uba Mask, people just can't handle the heat unless they prioritize my jank-looking deck over some of the bigger threats.

>>55254726
>I can really go off if the table ignores me
That applies to every commander.

>>55254726
>no one ever pays attention to Urabrask until it's too late.
my group has killed him on sight ever time anyone casts him
nobody has ever untapped with him in my playgroup
rarely do you even get to move to attacks lol
like hes not even that great but hes annoying I guess and haste can be pretty scary when you dont know whats coming next

>>55254764
I understand that, but why would you target Urabrask over Meren, or Darietti, or just about anything monoblue?

>>55254766
Really? That's the exact opposite reaction I have, but I do play in a circle-jerk combo meta. Most people read him and go "meh" until you drop him and people realize they can't toss out some chumps to block the imminent wave of death. Ultrava Hellkite is really an allstar, I'm so glad for the reprint.

>>55254663
>implying

>>55254804
havign shit come into play tapped stops a bunch of combos too
all it takes it once then its a kill on sight target

>>55254804
>why would you target Urabrask an inherent massive damage out of nowhere commander over slow value commanders
Talrand's extra birds aren't quite as good as your hasted Cataclysmic Gearhulk.

>>55254906
Combustible* fuck

>>55254726
The other praetors are really fucking spoopy if you let them live for a round, no one cares about mass haste and the flashfreeze effect until they're getting dicked by Malignus and friends.

>>55254457
Shitting out a hasty 3/3 trampler every turn is pretty nice at 5 CMC.

>>55255032
Wanna reread that?

>>55255032
>he thinks they reprinted a shittier and cheaper progen mimic
no such luck

>>55255060
>>55255070
Goddamit all, still cute for dino tribal.

Why run naya dino tribal when you can run naya beast tribal?

>>55255123
Aether Charge and Wirewood Savage isn't enough tribal support.

>>55255123
Because RAWR :3

>>55255148
jesus christ it is a dino get in the car

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Hey is this card any good?

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>>55255232
Hey, is this card any good?

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>>55255264
Hey, is this card any good?

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>>55255264
its excellent

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>>55255290
Hey, is this card any good?

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>>55255317
play it in the same deck as this card

>>55253096
>you need to attack with him
>look at Brago, Daxos, and Geist decks for ways to do that safely
>you need instants and sorceries
>you have access to some of the best control and removal available, and get to two-shot anything you want for the price of one. Anything beyond that is personal taste.
>Swarm Intelligence style effects for maximum memes

He's open ended enough to where you can literally just run staples and generic spells and still have a functional deck.

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Of the 4 people at my LGS who built Edgar, I'm the only one who didn't build it hyper-aggressive. We played a few 4-way all Edgar games for fun and I crushed them all every single time, even when I was focused by all 3 of them at once.

Why are there so many shitters building bad aggressive Edgar decks?

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>>55252447
How do I wipe the board? With crying UG players of course.
Faxmana best mana.

>>55253613
My brother from the trees

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Anybody ever revert a deck from a higher power level for more fun?

I used to run pic related, but eventually turned it into a Nekusar deck using about 1/3 of the original cards. Still have all the old ones and while Nekusar feels more powerful for sure, he seems far more predictable and less fun for it. Think I should go back?

>>55255693
Nin is okay but only because Stuff Doll exists.

>>55255693
yeah, i've done that. turned my nekusar into yidris, but didn't like how long it took to storm off compared to nekusar where you just wheel a few times and win and eventually converted it back. if you liked playing the old deck more it doesn't matter how powerful the new one is, you should go back to it.

>>55255264
A N A L I D O L

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>>55252503
We got the list. None of the stupid useful cards some of you anons were suspecting got the errata. At least I did pick up Magmasaur and Pangosaur.

>>55254546
>best removal out now
But all removal except for Balance is legal in EDH

>>55255779
What a sad list

>Fractured Identity a Grave Pact
I didn't want to play this game anyways.

>>55255779
What's some tech to make Fungusaur a big guy that isn't Pyrohemia

>>55255845
If you Fractured Identity a Mairsil do all Mairsil's get all abilities?

>>55255867
No, because Mairsil is cards exiled with cage counters that you own. They all get to cage a card but they don't all get all caged cards.

>>55255779
>No Regal behemoth
Why?

>>55252896
I thought leviathan was blues big creature type

>>55255779
>rip lizard tribal

>>55255941
Leviathan and Ocupussies are big
But Sphinx is the iconic one
Also far more commonly played
Serra Sphinx is my waifu

>>55255579
People don't seem to get that regular aggro doesn't work in 4-player games.

>>55256006
the one guy who bought the cat deck was talking the shit out of arahbo like it was some fucking unbeatable monster of a deck but the strongest thing he did was have a 4/4 double strike on turn 2 that was path'd before it could even attack once.

why do shitters insist on trying to make aggro work in EDH?

>>55255579
>4-way all Edgar games
How can so many people be this devoid of originality?

>>55256037
It was the day after the decks came out and we all wanted to try them out, what's wrong with that?

>>55253694
No, it never tries to exile it since buyback stops it from going back to the graveyard in the first place.

Kess says "If a card cast this way would be put into your graveyard this turn, exile it instead."

Since buyback puts it into your hand instead of into your graveyard, the replacement effect doesn't come into play.

So no, if someone flashed in a Black Vise in response to you casting it for the buyback, you wouldn't be able to exile it instead.

>>55255779

Well that's disappointing.

>>55256054
Why even buy a precon after several people in your local group has bought it? Especially something as monobuild as tribal

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piercing this spell, with no survivors

>>55256172
i dunno about everyone else.

i preordered it as soon as it was revealed because my baron sengir deck desperately needed an upgrade.

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>>55254457

Alpha as fuck

>>55256179
Oh shit, nice.

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>updated the ol' lazav deck
>dicking around with a fuckload of rocks, lazav hits the field
>flash back increasing ambition
>start looking through my deck
>holyfuckingshitwhatthefuckIforgotaboutthis
>snag traumatize and fraying sanity
>hit dickass Marasil jank player
>fucking Kess gets milled
>traumatize Neheb
>dragon mage out of nowhere
>start the wheel train
>everyone's going to be decked during their endstep, I just have to wait
>Ghave combos out of nowhere, like always, because I'm tapped out and I completely neutered the other two players
Aint even mad, that's the most fun I've had in a while.

>>55256179
Takes me back to the spell snare days.

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>>55255779
Alright 55170712, you owe me a Foil Razaketh.

>>55256375
>Didn't actually link it

>>55170712

Whoops.

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This card fits terribly into my Mairsil deck but it's too god damn flavorful not to run.

>>55256409
it's really funny to fuck someone over turn 5 with their own kozilek though

>>55254069
I hope we go back to Lorwyn soon, it was a cool plane. Also, they could finally print sets of the other Future Sight lands, some of them are ridiculously priced.

>>55256409
Holy shit, that card is the trinity.

>fantastic art that represents the card
>flavourful interaction that represents both the art and the card name
>useful card capable of dicking over greedy players, but entirely useless against certain players

I need one of those. Bad.

>>55256179
Think we'll see a Kumena card this set, or will he be a planeswalker in Rivals of Ixalan?

>>55256429
unfortunately that's super unlikely... i feel you though man. lorwyn was amazing flavor-wise, it deserves the non-tribal treatment.

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>>55255779
>>55255906
I was really, really hoping for Regal Behemoth.

>>55256429
>>55256441
Dont ask for things that could be ruined. Have you seen the art on all these new cards? Imagine if Lorwyn got that treatment.

>>55256455
unfortunately rebecca guay doesn't want to do magic art any more

>>55256453
wizards did a quick gatherer search for cards with "saur" and "raptor" and those are all the dinos we get. oh, and tyrannax too.

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>>55256471
I can't see any competent artist wanting to do magic art. Who wants to paint static poses of corporate bullshit in a flavourless way? Almost every single card in the new sets is either incredibly drab due to boring composition, or blatant pandering, and if you're good enough to make magic art, you're smart enough to say fuck that.

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>>55256490
Not even, or we would've gotten Brooding Saurian.

>>55256510
So what makes a good piece of magic art? Dynamism and composition?

>>55256545
dunno man. i actually like some of the new art, i just wish the style wasn't so homogenized now.

and for the record, rebecca didn't stop drawing cards because of a dispute with wizards, she just wanted to focus more on her own graphic novels.

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>>55253058
I have an extra turn - reanimator deck and is loads of fun to play. I tried storm and while it is challenging and fun, it's not really something that you enjoy for a long time.

>>55256510
I just fucking hate 3dcg pasted on shit as if it was good. Or when the artist traces so much, it just looks like a photo passed through filters.

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I want to shiver her timbers if you know what i mean ;)

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>>55256545
I'm a pretentious art fag, and I'd rather not open this can of worms, but I'll keep it simple.

Composition and context. A well composed card that provides context to the world the card exists, and how it interacts, is probably the pinnacle of magic art. Pale Rider of Trostad has this. You look at it, it looks like a spooky guy on a horse, and it captures the ethereal flavour of the interaction. Archfiend of Ifnir also has fantastic art because he has a dynamic pose, it communicates that he's a bad dude about to do some bad things, and it captures the flavour of amonket. Debt to the deathless does the same thing.

I'm a big Seb Mckinnon fan, as you can tell, but that's because it has a "painterly" quality to it. Another one of my favorite cards, totally out of left field, is Carnival of Souls. The art and the flavour text convey exactly what the card does, mechanically, and that makes it effective. Really, anything that doesn't look like homogenous nonsense is pretty good by and large. I"m even okay with CGI art, but it needs to be like the Praetors, and less like anything out of the recent sets. I'd rather more Patrician's Scorn style cards in general, that are smart, pithy, and well composed.

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>>55256625
i've been digging the backgrounds in a lot of newer card art

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>>55256686
shit, wrong image, but whatever. Exclusion ritual also has fantastic art, but I posted that earlier in this thread.

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>>55256686
I like card art that makes sexy foils.

>>55256686
You seem a bit more even handed than most people hating on recent art.

Proud of you.

Speaking of art, the Invocation Doomsday with Bolas horns in the background is great. I just want it with a normal frame.

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>>55256709
>>55256723
This is probably my favorite art of late, I've got it in foil

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>>55255779
>fungusaur has proto-Enrage
Neat

>>55256723
Excellent taste, that's one of my favorite foils. Glorybringer looks fantastic in foil too. I'm also a fan of the new phyrexia swamps, and the kawigama swamps, but I'm clearly an edgelord. Even Shizo, Death's Storehouse is a fantasticly composed card.

>>55256740
Thanks anon, I appreciate that.

>>55256774
The only problem with To the Slaughter is that Ormendahls' face (or is it a generic demon?) is too dark so you can't quite discern it from the rest of the black portion of the art.

>>55256453
That thing does look nothing like a lizard, and 100% dinosaur, even by ixalan standard with all its colours.

>>55256804
This. I have a prerelease version because I thought it was going to be hot shit, and before I saw it on my laptop, I had no idea there was a face in the corner.

>>55255779
Any chance this list will be maybe changed in the future or with high demand? Regal behemoth seems like such a big missed oppurtunity

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Someone posted this last thread and I feel like I have already seen it somewhere, is it an anime-zed mtg character?

>>55256812
its arms are waaaaaaaay to manlike
wtf is that thing?!

>>55256876
A dinosaur ;_;

>>55256723
>5c sexy foil tribal
>never wins but always wins at the same time
heh checkmate cEDH

>>55256893
>a dinosaur with ripped biceps
its trogdor tier

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>>55256793
I really like the Esper lands (Island #236 more than #235), so I got like half a dozen foils of each.

>>55256876
Oh shit, it fucking looks like a fat man on all fours.

>>55256893
according to wotc it is a lizard

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>>55256938
>>55256915
>>55256876
Stop being so mean to him

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I'm putting the finishing touches on my Locust God deck before I bring it to play this weekend, and I just want to make sure the overall logistics of this combo work.

>Locust God is on the board
>cast Kindred Discovery naming insect
>If I have both on the field during my draw step I mill myself out and lose
>If I have both out and I use something that makes me draw a card during my main phases I could draw 40 cards from my library and respond to the 41st card draw and cast firestorm at instant speed to burn the board by dumping my hand. If someone survived somehow I would go back to drawing my deck out and mill myself out and lose
>If I were to attack with any number of insects I would mill myself and lose

>>55256453
this creature is legit amazing in EDH and i'm amazed it's not chased more than it is

>cantripping 6 mana doubler on an easily cheated out stick
>and it also mana fixes

woah nelly

even the only "downside" of monarch being able to be stolen away should be easily negated considering you're doing creature strats in green

>>55257119
If only it were a Dinosaur, maybe it would get the love it deserves.

>>55256927
The plains are pretty, the island is neat, but that swamp is fucking god-tier

>>55257106
Pact, Force of Will, and Simian Spirit Guide,
You won't even need mana to combo off safely, discard every card but pact, force and a blue card and it should be more than enough to kill everyone.

>>55257159
>that swamp is fucking god-tier

It's also like a $7 foil now, so I'm glad I got them back when the Alara All-Foil Packs were around and every Alara foil was super cheap.

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>>55256871
It's Ozen from the Nanachi and friends go spelunking show.

>>55257119
Shush, I still need to get mine.

Who are the best Orzhov commander's? I was thinking Ayli cause life gain is always fun but the only other b/w Legendaries I can think of are Obzedet and Teysa.

>>55257482
There's always Selenia.

>>55257482
If you were a real baller you'd run Kambal

>>55257482
Karlov is real good. You get a lot of synergy stuff going on.
Ravos and Tymna are probably the best for B/W "Goodstuff", unless you make Cleric tribal out of them.
Daxos is Enchantment Tribal, so Back to Nature can ruin your life.

>>55257482
Atheros is also there for tax style play although he might work better in kambals 99

>>55257539
>>55257564
>>55257566
>>55257601
Thanks for the recs. Ayli is still looking like the top pick while Teysa, Karlov and Kambal seem like they would all work perfectly in her 99.

>>55257482
>>55257566
Uncle karl is where its at
just built him

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How does GW draw cards

>>55257678
Harmonize? Mentor of the Meek if token deck, too.

>>55257238
Thanks.

>>55257678
regal force
mind's eye
skullclamp + dorks
momentous falls and the 30 other cards like it
[selvala explorer returned

>>55257678
They don't really get many "pay X: draw cards", but they have a lot of situational draws that are very good in the right decks.

>>55257678
>magiccards.info
>check the green and white boxes
>"draw"

>>55257678
Group hug stuff is nice, too. Anything that pulls lands out of your deck so that you don't draw into them naturally.

Just don't get too huggy. My first deck was like that and it devolved into "the guy next to me is going to win because he plays after I fetched lands for everyone."

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>>55257482
Papa Karlo, of course

>Gain life at the beginning of your upkeep (Nyx Fleece Ram/Drana's Emissary)
>Gain life when lands enter the battlefield (Radiant Fountain)
>Gain life when you play creatures (Soul Sisters)
>Gain life when you play anything (Extort)
>Gain life when your opponent play spells (Authority of the Consuls/Kambal)
>Gain life when you attack (lifelink)
>Gain life on your end step (Wall of Reverence)
>By the time your turn runs around again Karlov has 10-12 +1/+1 counters on him and you can start swinging with your fat grandpa ghost pimp

>>55257678
Games Workshop doesnt draw cards anon
they sculpt miniatures

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>>55257791

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What's the most expensive nonland common?

>>55257862
Anything from alpha

>>55257678
Tutor for the clamp and feed it tokens.

>>55257872
What's the most expensive nonland common playable in Modern?

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>>55257898
Probably still something from Alpha.

>>55257678
Greater Good
Sylvan Library

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>>55256686
but one of the best artworks in magic comes from a recent set?

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>>55256667
>card is about stealing your opponent's cards
>stands there in a stoic pose
The 3 pirates swinging in is good, because you need 3 for her ability to go off, but why is she just standing there staring off into the distance? She should be in a threatening dynamic pose like "I'm taking your shit and there's nothing you can do about it".

>>55257898
>>55257928
rekt

>>55258143
She's threatening by how nonthreatening she is. She's calm and secure, no need for posturing because she knows she's in control of the situation without it.

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If I were to be interested in making an Inalla ETB wizard tribal for casual edh, would it be logical to buy the precon and make the necessary changes or would it be better to buy everything separately?

>>55258143
Sadly, I think it works perfectly for what she does, it just isn't... a very good stance at all. She looks weird, as stated, just standing there, but that's why she has three pirates swooping in.
She doesn't need to attack for her trigger to go off, the player just has to be hit by three pirates. She trusts her crew to get the job done. She's just there to bake cookies (give +1/+1).

>>55258182
>She is so in control of the situation she felt the need to hold her sword
She is just there smiling for no reason at all. If I was on the attacked boat, I would just shoot her since she is the easiest target there.

>>55258143
She probably has alzheimer and forgot why she was there.

>>55258182
I disagree. If the other three pirates were in the forefront and had already taken command, it'd be better. But she's there before the other pirates and is completely vulnerable.

>>55254269
Grenzo 2.0 Goad is an extra guarantee they will attack aomeone else. The impulse draw is also nice since you're not the one losing cards and it can allow monR to access abilities that are outside the scope of its Color(Disenchant for RR)

>>55258226
Alright, so look at what you'd want out of the deck.
It's an MSRP of $35, so if it can buy it at that and the value of the cards you want from it can beat it you're good to go.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/746321#paper

>>55258143
I agree, she would be much better if she was menacing, or had some kind of strong "you're fucked vibe".

>>55258357
This is very true. She almost looks too nice and too calm to be a Grixis colored grandma pirate.
As I said, if she were doing almost anything other than just standing there.
I'd have loved for her to be in a fancy ass chair in her main cabin with her boots kicked on a table with a map or something.

There was an attempt to show off what her ability is, but it just falls miserably short.

>>55258344
very good card in gaydudes butthug deck

Will Admiral Beckett Brass need to focus on making pirates unblockable/fear/intimidate etc to be viable?

>>55257106
You know you need 40 targets to deal 40 damage, right? I mean, you have locusts, I guess.

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>he actually dislikes EDHrec because it gives people the tools to know what cards would work best for what commanders

>>55258393
She literally just landed after busting through that fence.

>>55258422
Who are you quoting?

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>>55257787
>he forgot the best rock

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>>55258507
>the best rock

Guess again.

>>55258555
Shit, he's right

>>55258505
People I've seen on the internet and met IRL

>>55258454
And it doesn't look like it.

>>55258454
She's got a fat Brass to have busted through that much railing.
Even so, it just looks kinda doofy. Literally any other pose I feel would've been fine.
Sure, she just busted onto the ship, but I feel like that only makes it weirder that she's all cocked in full attention, not even dropping her rope. I guess there's kind of an air of "Admiral Brass is here, fuckheads, what are you gonna do," but that's a lot of reaching.

>>55257862
Not counting printing (in which case, something Alpha probably Bolt, Counterspell, or Rit) maybe Rancor? At least for a while its price was positively retarded for a common.

>>55258706
why the fuck does it matter
stop shitting up my shit format gen with your bullshit

>>55257928
Summer Lightning Bolt

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>>55252447
the way that takes commanders with it

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Get any good deals lately, anons?

>>55258840
RIP TUCK

>>55258848
foil jap font of mythos mint for 7 bucks
regular english one is about that same price
it looks GREAT

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>>55257898
Blue Hurricane

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>>55258824
Got me there.

>>55258859
i said the same thing when someone found out i was a guy :/

What happens if I activate a transform ability with Mairsil?
Does it just fizzle or does he morph?

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>Thread question
Urborg + Mutilate

Also, I'm thinking of changing my Sigarda around. Right now she's very enchantress voltron heavy, but with Cats out would she work better as an equipment voltron commander?

>>55258966
It does nothing. And if it is a transform that exiles before transforming (like the flip planeswalkers) then it will not exile. It just does nothing.

>>55258966
He gets exiled and doesn't return iirc.

>>55258859
>tfw I just found this out after comming back to mtg
>a company gets to decide the rules of a fanmade itteration of th egame

im fine with banlists but fuckin hell I use to have an answer to stupid ininite based commanders and now im straight up going to have to go full blue

>>55258940
show

>>55258966
Depends. If it's an exile and return transformed ability, like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, he gets exiled and stays there. If it's just a flip, nothing.

>>55259017
>a company gets to decide the rules of a fanmade itteration of th egame
No?

>>55259017
>a company gets to decide the rules of a fanmade itteration of th egame

They actually still left that up to the Rules Committee, which are the group EDH originated from.

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>>55259017
more like a bunch of whiny babies who use their fee fees to construct a complete mess of a banlist/other rules.
>tfw they literally states "it feels bad" as a reason to remove tuck

>>55259152
One of the reasons they stated was that it made players load up with more tutors, but like... the fuck difference did it make? Like a 2% change in number of tutors in decks, if even?

Myr battlesphere
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=209717
Plus mechanized production
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=423705

How do I make this work?

>>55259226
Panharmonicon helps, but that's just kind of universally true.
Basically the normal myr package?
Aside that, I guess if you're trying to win with mech production, some clones or something.

>>55259226
Get something else that makes Myr tokens and enchant one of them with Mechanized Production, then Mirror Works Myr Battlesphere.

>>55259226
Two words: Myr Incubator.

>>55259264
You don't have to put Production on the Myr tokens. Put it on the Battleball.

>tfw just removed a Rhystic Study from my Jhoira artifact deck and it turned from 53% casual to 100% competitive
Okay, that's enough TappedOut.

>>55259368
It's been busted for awhile.
>entire deck of mana rocks
>2000% competitive

>>55259017
Company isn't deciding as a whole. The team is a group of judges who helped first make the format.

>>55259170
>t-tutors arent fun!
>I play with less tutors in my deck and when I u-use one I only go for shitty cards that help me survive the turn instead of just winning the game
>and I PERSONALLY have fun playing like this so everyone else should obide by my preferences

fuck that guy, if you dont like tutors ban them from your playgroup dont remove established rules and gimicks, the entire point of tuck spells as apposed to regular exile, board whipes, and counters were the fact that they COULD fuck with commanders and that change makes fucking dissipate 100% better than hinder and spell crumple

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>>55259170
>people played tutors because of tuck
>they totally didnt do it because its just about the most powerful effect in the game

>>55259399
I figured, but this is just hilarious. There's something that tickles me about seeing my most casual deck called competitive.

>>55259412
The issue they have with Tutors is that they hate shuffling more than power level concerns. Sheldon has said if he could figure out a way to cohesively write out a rule that would prevent people from playing offcolor fetchlands without ruining too many other cards, he would.

>>55259459
Source on this mental retardation?
And don't just say >Sheldon

>>55257862
Oubliette is like 30 dollars.

>>55259487
http://imgur.com/a/fGrSi

>>55259459
honestly id be fine with that fetch rule since its kinda annoying for mr moneybags to spend every turn shuffling his pile of cards a few times per turn but actually messing with established game mechanics is stupid, especially when only two colors and maybe a single red card actually put it to use

>>55259516
Thats just dumb

>>55258394
>gaydudes butthug
>doing combat damage
pick one

>>55259368

I made several changes to my Mayael the Anima deck, sat at 100% casual. I updated the description from something like "Lower powered Mayael deck" to "Mayael the Anima! Crush your enemies under the hooves, paws, and claws of your army of deadly creatures!" and it went to 100% Competitive.

I guess it's all in the attitude.

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>>55259536
>especially when only two colors and maybe a single red card actually put it to use

Hola, fuckboy.

If a creature is given haste by another card's effect and then someone makes a copy of it, would the copy have haste or would it it limited to the printed effects on the card?

>>55259516
>yes, it's an annoying loophole
Really? Controlling the player entirely through the entire turn is a loophole? "Uhh uhh I'm controlling my opponent, why can't I make them concede?"


For real, though. Let moneybags play his fetchlands that have land names in them that aren't in their color. Does it really have that much of a difference?

>>55258414
???
You target each of your opponents and rest target your insects.

>>55259585
Short answer:
No, it would not have haste.

Long answer:
>706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The “copiable values” are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters the battlefield” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

>>55259612
Thank you, anon. That's what I figured but I wanted confirmation.

>>55259516
>trying to kill off-color fetches
But muh Titania