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"Better in the 99" edition

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RESOURCES

>Official Site: Contains deck building rules and the current ban list.
http://www.mtgcommander.net

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck’s strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>Search for primers at your own risk.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen Commander’s color identity.
http://manabasecrafter.com/

CARD SEARCH

>Official search site. Current for all sets.
http://gatherer.wizards.com/

>Unofficial, but has GOAT search interface.
http://magiccards.info/

Thread Question: What legends do you think are better in the 99 of somebody else?
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>>55240362
Abilities from imprinted artifacts is not activated. He's a good secondary combo enabler along Ooze.
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>>55240362
>What legends do you think are better in the 99 of somebody else?
Pic related in pretty much every black deck ever. Sure as fuck doesn't stop me from using him as a commander though.
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>>55240362
Most of them.
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>>55240362
>Thread Question
Kaho, Minamo Historian

There are so many good non-blue spells to get with her.
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>>55240362
I fucking love Azusa as a general, having a on-demand exploration effect is some wonderful bullshit, no one bothers killing her either because no one gives a fuck about dealing with mono-green when there's bigger dicks on the table.
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>>55240362
>Thread Question: What legends do you think are better in the 99 of somebody else?
All the mono-colored ones and almost all of the recent sets ones
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>>55240362
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valuedrop coming through
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>Didn't get the point of Knight of the Reliquary at first
>try her out
>She can turn my basics into dual lands, pull out Kessig, Wolf Run when I need it, and fetch me my Strip Mine and Wasteland if someone is up to some bullshit

Well worth the $10
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Let me re-ask a question from the last thread - never enough replies

Is there any decent way to upgrade pic related on budget with recently released cards?
My friend wants to start playing EDH with me and my gf and we all want to pick C17 decks - upgrading cats and vampires decks seem to be preaty easy but I have no idea what he should do with this one. I mean I see that the mana-base needs some reorganization but how?

Also are there any good edh tutorials for newbies? Not strategies or competitive deckbuilding - just how to play and do's and don'ts
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>>55240543
>valuedrop
>just a tiny beater
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>>55240569
Go heavy green and use a lot of spells that search basic lands into play.
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>>55240569
>i maek dragun
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>>55240543
>immortal ghost/spectre
Weird. This is obviously not a human.
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>>55240668
Time Spiral was a weird time to be alive.
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>>55240569
Lean heavily into Green. Mana fixing that can grab lands by type, such as Nature's Lore, Farseek, and Skyshroud Claim coupled with even cheap dual lands like the BfZ lands or even Amonkhet's cycle lands can go a long way. You're really only splashing W/U, so a strong R/G center can get you most of the way there.

Play the Signets and Talismans that support your main colors too.
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>>55240569
Heavy(est) green to add in ramp and fixing, heavy red since thats most your dragons/lord effects, sprinkle in favorites afterwords. Non-dragons I'd include are xena-god to make those hits hard and heavy. Bowers passage for basically unblockable on your dragons. And decent of the dragons as removal or to "upgrade" mana dorks for late game.

Mana base is the killer there though as it needs a lot of love just to play smoothly before you even start swaping cards in the meat and potatoes of the deck.
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>>55240569
I'd recommend throwing in some good 5-color goodstuff. Things like Cascading Cataracts, Crystal Quarry, Maelstrom Nexus, Conflux, etc. Also Haste cards, like Fervor, so you can swing for that 10/10 flying when Ur Dragon drops.

The Bringers from 5th Dawn work really well, too. Main ones being the Black and Blue bringers.

I'd make sure to cut any dragons that cost more than 2 of any single color to play (like Scourge of Valkas) along with dragons that just cost a lot of color symbols in general, unless they do a lot (like Niv Mizzet, or O-Kagachi,they don't do much).

And as >>55240702 and >>55240743 said, lean green and make sure to add some good mana ramp. Skyshroud Claim works great if you get all the half-green Shocks, since they'll count as forests.
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>>55240668
I wouldn't be so sure. The priests also wore that shit.
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>nuKozzy caged
>Counterbalance on the field with Top caged
You will play
What I want you to play.
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>>55240882
Have any CMC 21 cards?
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>>55240910
Draco is the most expensive card in the game at 16
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Is there any way to search on Gatherer/Magiccards.info for cards that were originally printed in Commander products, ignoring any reprints in them?
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>>55240910
Zenith for 18?
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>>55240948
Advanced search, search by set.
Gatherer will also show other printings in the right side of the screen, but that shouldnt matyer either way.
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>>55240948
Expansion: OR [every commander set] AND NOT [every non-commander set]
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>>55240362
>Thread Question: What legends do you think are better in the 99 of somebody else?
Hokori, dust drinker
Nylea, God of the Hunt
Purph
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>>55240995
Mono red can't search purph nor can mono white search hokori, having general access to either lets you build your whole deck around them in peace.
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>>55240527
>Be Johnny
>Green doesn't ever get artifact love shit so this pops out at me
I'm thinking like the original Glissa, artifact control (liquametal coating + splinter is bae) with some green stampede effects. any cool shit you all are thinking of?
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>>55241043
>Johnny
?
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>>55241043
>Not Johnny/Jenny
Try not to be so problematic next time ;^)
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>>55241056
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/timmy-johnny-and-spike-2002-03-08
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>>55241029
Not that anon, but nowhere in the question did it say they had to be of the same deck color(s). Overall I'd say they were right though. All those seem better as tech/alt wincons rather than at the head of the deck.
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>>55241029
>Playing those in mono colours
Not part of the question. Throw Purphorous in a boros, jund or other token heavy deck for more value than just him. He also works better as part of the 99 in Krenko if you're monored.

Hokori is similar. Use green to untap your lands or unwinding clock+Mycosynth if that's your thing.
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>>55240362
>thread question
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>>55241029
>monored can't search
Guess again, fucko
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>>55241095
>bought purphoros and cloudstone curio for granddaddy markov
>tfw still need an phyrexian altar
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>>55241113
On the one hand, that combo is easier in other decks.
On the other hand, all those pieces work well independently in Edgar.
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Missed out on there being a new thread.

Suggestions for mairsil deck? obviously I havnt upgraded the instants/sorcery much from the precon.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-09-17-mairsil-edh/
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>>55241194
yeah, I'll see how it goes and if it doesn't work out I can always replace curio/altar with some of the new ixalan vampires.
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>>55240991
When I search for all cards in Commander 2011, I still get stuff like Acidic Slime that was first printed in M10

>>55240992
That exceeds the character limit
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>>55241297
(e:c17/en or e:c16/en or e:c15/en or e:c14/en or e:c13/en or e:cmd/en) -is:reprint

Try that. I didn't actually look through it to be certain, but it should do.
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>>55241297
You can see on the right the rest of the sets its been in. Just look for the ones with just the commander symbols.
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>>55241297
>>55241328
Also, pay close attention to the cards shown. The site runner seems to have fucked up somehow and random cards in C17 are showing up as other cards.
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real talk
why arent you playing yidris yet?
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>>55241437
I'm building it now. What's some spicy tech? Especially on the cheap. Also, what direction? I was looking at just getting a lot of value from bigger spells. Ramp up to Yidris then cast something big and get a few free things off it.

I've put in some stuff to give Yidris double strike for double cascade.
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>>55241437
Because someone actually has to let me connect which never happens, I'd rather play Wanderer, at least there I get value just by casting the sucker.
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>>55241043
if you build oviya let us know. she did work at the kaladesh prerelease for me. it was my first ever prerelease event so she holds a special place in my heart
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>>55241328
-is:reprint did it, thanks. Didn't know that one existed and it's not in their list of syntax either

>>55241330
>sifting through 300 cards per commander set when only 50 of them are actually new
No thank you
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>>55241492
if you are doing more a battlecruiser style (aka correct fun) instead of a low to the ground storm deck (aka incorrect fun) id include this guy
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>>55241565
>battlecruiser style (aka correct fun)
You're what's wrong with this game.
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who's your favorite UB/x commander and why?
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>>55241548
already found some amazing studf, see pic
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/edh/, I've been wondering what combo could absolutely wipe an entire opponent deck off the table - i.e. exile his whole hand, board, graveyard and library. No grudge, just a thought experiment. What's the minimum amount of cards and colors that can achieve this?
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>>55241580
Dino jelly because I fucking love reanimator strategies.
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>>55241580
>UB: Dralnu
>UBR: Inalla
>UBW: Sydri
>UBG: Damia
>UBRG: Reyhan + Kraum
>UBWG: Reyhan + Ishai
>UBRW: Tymne + Ludevic
>UBRGW: Ramos
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>>55241565
Forgot about that guy. I've gotit in another deck, may swap them around. It's been tested in just about every black deck I try.
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>>55241580
Sen Triplets/Sharuum because I love artifact bullshit/taking my opponents atuff.
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>>55241580
Sygg, he's a low priority target, a solid value engine, cheap to play, isn't overtly broken/oppressive and he's a rogue.
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>>55241616
Tormods crypt + junktroller + tunnel vision + a creature with Worldender. Gets rid of everything except their hand. Cast windfall to kill them as they discard their hand and draw nothing. That's all in monoblue but not that much of a "combo"
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>>55241702
**stuff
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>>55241580
Gisa and Geralf because zombie tribal.
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>>55241719
Junktroller+tunnel vision leaves them with a card to draw though
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>>55241719
>>55241616
Replace Worldender with Apocalypse but will cause you to discard your hand or use Decree of Annihilation (as it hits hands) but then your opponent may still have enchantments.

Maybe gift leveler somehow?
Also, Sire of Insanity could help
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>>55241772
>Maybe gift leveler somehow?
Fractured Identity
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>>55241755
They'd draw 1 card, try to draw more and lose. It's close but not enough.

I assume you want them to have nothing but maybe still have a life total just for the fuck of it?
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>Get Leveler and Worldgorger Dragon into play with Torpor Orb up
>Sac Torpor Orb to some shit I dunno
>Cast Fractured Identity, and twin it to both of them with some shit
>Drop a boardwipe
>Respond to the stack of Worldgorger leaves play triggers with Sundial of the Infinite
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>>55240362
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>>55240557
Knight is crazy, I usually fetch cradle and nykthos with it for an insane mana spike
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>>55241579
>actually having wrong opinions
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>>55240569
I got it last week and swapped out a bunch of the crappy 5+ mana cards and useless dragons for a full set of signets. I get Scion of the Ur-Dragon out pretty consistently on turn 4, sometimes T3 and things get pretty fun from there (big daddy ur-dragon himself is my usual first pick to crap out whatever's cool in my hand)

If Scion is your commander, all you have to do is focus on getting him out fast with some sort of protection. Everything else just happens on its own.

Quicksilver Dragon and silumgar can be tutored in response to removal. I also run Steely Resolve, Swiftfoot Boots, Lightning Greaves, whispersilk cloak.

Primarily green, get all the 1 drop mana dorks and some ramp spells. Aggravated assault if you can still get them cheap because tutoring your scion into savage ventmaw when no one has a flier is the funniest thing since the spanish flu.

It's not a competitive deck, but god is it fun.
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>>55241872
>Implying that encouraging people to durdle around and not actually play the game, then whine when someone has some form of interaction in their deck is the only right way to play
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>Pirate tribal will barely be fun

I was thinking, instead of using a lot of pirates, I use some token generators and steal creature effects in Admiral Beckett and use things like Xenograft to make them pirates. Something like you conscript your opponents creatures into being in your crew.

I wish Beckett said that creatures you control are pirates though, that would have been extremely flavourfull.
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>>55241922
>not actually play the game
>battlecruser as opposed to turn 3 storm
what the fuck planet are you smoking?
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>>55240813
This actually seems like a pretty cool creature but I guess people will always spend the (1).
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>>55240948
is:reprint
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>>55241938
>Implying that the only alternative to battlecruiser is storm
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>>55240659
>my rat is no match for dragun
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>>55241043
>green ever getting artifact shit
they shouldnt, artifacts arent natural you mong
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/stasis-frog/
Just put this together with what I have on hand, need some recommendations/cards to remove.
Goal is to get Tomorrow and Possessed Portal down along with card draw like Arcanis, then win with Lab Maniac, or wait for my opponents to concede.
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Ive been thinking about changing my jarad deck into a sidisi deck. What are some good blue cards to add? I was planning on putting in lab man, cyclonic rift, diregraf captain, wonder, gisa+geralf, and sultai ascendency
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>>55242070
Narcomoeba could be cute. Same with Fatestitcher and Kederekt Leviathan.
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>>55241924
itll be the same for dinosaurs.
they will be fun on paper but the tribal elements are not strong enough to make them better than any other commander deck. just make them to have fun
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Need advice.

I've got some coworkers who I started playing commander with. Consistently its 3 other guys that play. Bottom line, two of the guys are really good friends and they always team up, unofficially. Its gotten to the point that our 4th guy doesn't want to play with them anymore because they ALWAYS team up. I played with them last week and for two games they refused to attack eachother other than love taps, and combo'd off eachother to target me. One guy is mostly neutral and plays very grouphugy but the other guy always goes full agro and targets anyone but his friend.

Heres my question, do I 1.) bring up how much bullshit that is and refuse to play with them if they keep doing that or 2.) spend $$$ on the most unfun misery enducing deck to fuck them both over? I felt so tired after the last session I just dont know what to do.
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>>55242243
stop playing with them. state the problem and say youll be skipping on your games. thats it. find other people to play with
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>>55241980
>implying everything isnt battlecrusier compared to cEDH
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>>55242299
>Implying I was using cEDH as my frame of reference
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>>55241903
>It's not a competitive deck, but god is it fun
That's okay, we are all newbies and C17s are our first decks. We just want to keep them balanced against each other and cat/vampire seem to be easier to upgrade with cheap and recently released cards than the dragon ones so I decided to do research here
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>>55242311
>implying I wasnt
you really gotta learn to read
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Why is Wizards insistent on making this set bad?
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More fooder for dino-memes.dec
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>>55240946
>>55240910
Fucking love Draco, he's one of the best cards in my gimmick deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-bad-monstrosities/
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>>55242520
recent power creep too high, we need another theros.

still a bit disappointed that this thing isn't legendary by the way.
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>>55241733
I mad a gisa and geralf deck (with like $60) and i honestly hate it and feel like it would be better to switch them out for grimgrim. How do I play to the twins strengths?
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>>55242696
Scarab God just makes all other UB gods look trash in comparison.
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Holy shit, mono-black fucking rules

>Pitching huge shit to feed Volrath
>One-shotting people with a 22/20 commander with Fear and Shadow
>paying huge amounts of mana to a Death Cloud to make everyone lose their shit
>FUCKING NECROPOTENCE
>regularly winning with single-digit life totals
This is the most fun I've had in EDH since I started playing
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what are some good combos and nonbos in mina and denn?
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>>55242760
>Volrath
You got a decklist for based Saturday Morning Villain
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>>55242520
1 mana per card is an excellent return and makes this a strong copy target. This could easily see play in more bombastic spellslinger strategies like Melek and Taigam.
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>>55242885
>draws three cards at instant speed then puts two back
nothin personnel kid
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>>55242712
>all other U/B gods look like trash
phenax is the only other
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>>55242924
>1 mana for a net gain of zero cards

You're comparing apples to oranges, and Ponder is better in this format anyways
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>>55242847
Here

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/volrath-fall-down-go-boom/

It's bad but so is my group. I rarely hardcast any of the fatties, they either get fed to Volrath or reanimated in some other way. I know I need a Sheoldred and a Phyrexian Altar in here
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If I've only got seven combined Plains and Forests in my deck is Knight of the Reliquary still good to use? I feel like it still would be since I doubt I'd ever be able to use her 8 times and I do have Excavator in the deck so I could bring back Forests and Plains if I needed. Being able to Tutor for lands that come into play sounds like a great bonus.
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>>55243098
Consider Life From the Loam, Ramunap Excavator or Crucible for land recursion.
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>>55240389
Every time I see Kukosho I can't help but think
>DRRRAGON BALLLLL ZEEEEEEEEE
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>>55243138
And fuck my speedreading, you're already running the Excavator.
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>Have Doubling Season, Anointed Procession, and Purphoros on the field
>Play OG Sarkhan
>use his Ult
>accidentally kill everyone without realizing
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>>55243156
WILL MAIRSIL BE ABLE TO FORM THE JANK COMBO TO DEFEAT THE CEDH PLAYER. FIND OUT NEXT TURN
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>>55243190
Who the fuck let you keep two doublers on the board?
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>>55243138
I know about Crucible but I didn't know about Life From the Loam. Looks pretty cool since it's any lands.
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>>55243225
Sterling Grove and an indifferent playgroup because I kept playing nothing because of bad draws.
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>>55243234
Been using it as a draw engine with cycle lands in Azusa, eats a shitload of mana though.
>>55243266
Jesus, bless your sacking powers because they're legit amazing.
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>>55242885
>Melek
That's a weird way to spell Mizzix.
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what exactly is the difference between edh and commander
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>>55242520
Could have at least made it instant speed
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>>55243457
Commander is the official name WotC uses because they can't copyright the term Elder Dragon Highlander
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>>55243500
But they can copyright 'Commander?'
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>>55243514
>Highlander
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>>55243514
No but there's legal issues with calling it Highlander
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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mairsil-the-overpowered/

Ok so i built together this Miarsil deck and i really like how it plays but i keep getting into 2 situations.

Either:
1. I get Mairsail out on turn 2-3 and get something like Arcanis or Torchling/Morphling exiled but then i have a hard time getting Mairsil to bounce so i can get more things exiled under.

2. I get Harpy or Aetherling exiled under him but then i don't draw more things to exile under Mairsil.

Any suggestion to help prevent these things from happen?
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>>55243644
>cant bounce
Run more bounce/kill. The really cheap stuff like pongnify or rapid hybridozation isnt the worst, since youre getting a token and its otherwise solid removal.

>cant draw
Artifacts like otherworld atlus or staff of nin? Im not super familiar with cards like that, but surely theres something that would be solid on its own or under the commander.
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>>55242520
NWO

Or should I say, FTNWO
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Long story short, I spent a lot on a Daretti deck, didn't like him and now have a lot of really good artifacts collecting dust. Name some fun artifact-focused commanders.
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>>55243644
You need selfmill like Fact or Fiction and similar.
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>>55243644
What >>55243828 said. Don't ever forget Mairsil can exile from grave.
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>>55243826
Do you like blue?
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>>55243826
Do you?
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>>55243867
>>55243931
Honestly, not at all, but Muzzio looks damn fun.
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>>55240362
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.
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>>55243826
Forgetti Daretti and build Bosh, Iron Golem.

He is a much cooler red artifact general if you don't want to play stax. Cut the stax shit, ramp harder, then throw big artifacts for the kill. Key cards include, Spine of Ish Sah, Hellkite Igniter, Darksteel Forge, and Grafted Exoskeleton for the one-shot kills.
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>>55242520
Is it bad that I'm considering running this instead of harmonize in UG?
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why the fuck is Purraj of Urborg not in xmage
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>>55244043
You're already stupid for running Harmonize in a deck with blue
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When Restoration Angel exiles a creature does it have summoning sickness when it comes back?
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Has anyone here played a Rasputin deck? He is an oldschool general but I've never played against him. Eldrazi Displacer must have upgraded his deck though because it easily makes infinite mana with him.
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>>55244265
I'd run him if he weren't so expensive. Might see if my friends will let me proxy him.

>>55244260
Yes. It's treated as a completely new creature for all intents and purposes.
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>>55244260
Yup.
It's a new instance of the creature.
Anything related to the previous form of it is gone.
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>>55244260
Yes. When a creature comes into play it has summoning sickness until you begin a turn with it under your control.
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>>55244260
As far as the game is concerned the thing is a completely object so yeah, it has summoning sickness, so attack or tap it for shit and then flicker the thing.
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>>55243826
Swap Daretti with Slobad, add cards like Obliterate and Decree of Annihilation
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I feel an intense urge to build an Atraxa Fungus deck. Any spicy tech beyond the obvious deepglow skate, doubling season, etc?
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Would it be a bad idea to get my Revised Plateau, Taiga, and Savannah signed if I ever saw the artists at a con? I've heard getting things signed ruins the value but than I've heard when an artist dies their signature on their old cards ups them. Not that I'm gonna sell them anytime soon but considering they're ABUR I don't want to do anything that might "ruin them"
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>>55244453
put in some planeswalkers


aaaaaaand it's superfriends
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>>55244453
Ghave. Winding Constrictor. Sac outlets. Anything that reads spore counters.
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>>55244542
It's not going to have much effect. I much prefer these cards without the autographs but revised duals are bought because people want to play with them.

If they were alpha or beta I would say don't do it because those are much more significant collector's items.
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>>55244612
I'll add that the dead artist's signature thing is more specific than that. There is some tiny amount of people that have full autographed sets of Beta and those are insanely valuable and there are obscure cards drawn by dead artists so only a handful of autographed ones exist in the world. Those are the priceless collectibles to the people that want full sets.
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>>55244649
Ah okay. I just like the appeal of having a dead artist's signature. Also it's probably hard to track down the real artist of Revised Plateau since he only ever did 9 cards.
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>>55242243
Either make it official and play 2v2 to make it "fairer" or tell them the problem and hope that fixes it, or set up house rules where you have to allocate a number on a side and roll that number to decide who you attack (this would be hard to implement but something similar to this that stops them ganging up on you will work)
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>>55242760
Why would death loud not force you to sacrifice volrath?
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>>55244581
>bought a tamiyo just to have a potential omniscience but mostly for aggro card draw
>planeswalker legend rule happens
>remember I had a Captain Sisay and Lilianna Vess
Really all I want to do with the deck mostly is just make Atraxa huge and draw cards off fathom mage though.

Too easy to fall into the super friends trap.
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>>55244453
I don't know of any specifics that aren't commonly used. If you've got doubling season or vigor, Mycoloth plays into that whole doubled counters into quadrupled tokens thing. Plus obligatory Cathars Crusade. Just +1/+1 and tokens standard fare
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Looking for some advice on Kess.
I was trying to build like control since her eff gives a lot of value, plus combos great with shit like Forbid.

It kinda got away from me and seems like a big mess of cards. It's a few cards from being complete. Also poorfag so it's pretty budget.

Here's the list if anyone wouldn't mind critiquing it. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kess-my-ass-2/
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>>55245093
Also excuse the leddit formatting. I was just trying to separate my statements.
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>>55244453
Why Not play Ghave? Atraxa will draw you tons of hate just for existing.
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>>55245290
Anyone who doesn't hate out Ghave more aggressively than Atraxa is someone who is irrationally scared of Planeswalkers. Ghave is much, much more threatening.
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Anyone have that edit of Diabolic Tutor with the photo of a guy with two hot dogs and an eerie looking dog?
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>>55245290
Because Ghave is part of a million two card infinites and Atraxa is just a dumb beater that gives one extra counter to everything at the end of your turn.
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>>55244681
True. That would be a cute signature since the card says Drew Tucker but you'd have the accurate artist.

I wonder if Drew Tucker would sign a Plateau just for the laugh.
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I have a nekusar deck that just doesn't work. I'm thinking of gutting it and using the land base for Admiral Becket Brass PIRATES TM and using the pieces for Scarab God. Any thoughts?
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>>55245339
lol
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>>55245405
I knew I could count on you, anon.
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>>55245413
I want to print it out and use it as a proxy Diabolic Tutor.
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>>55245405
>Filename isn't Dogabolic Tutor
What's wrong with you anon?
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>>55243982
I built a Bosh Vehicles deck once Aether Revolt hit, it was awesome

>a golem throwing trains and cars at other players
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>>55245405

That's a spooky looking dogger.
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>>55242802
p-pls
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>>55242802
Pic in OP, Exploration, your commander, Burgeoning and Storm Cauldron

Noone gets to keep their lands out, but you drop them faster than anyone else
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So how bad do you think they're gonna fuck up? I'll start
>Demonic Tutor is bumped to Mythic
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>>55245850
>green focuses on Hydras or Elves instead of the most iconic creature type.
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>>55245876
homarids
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>>55245883
The most iconic green creature type, not blue.
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>>55245891
But there is a green homarid.
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>>55245934
That's my favourite dragon.
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>>55240362
X spells intensify.jpg
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>>55245850
>how bad do you think they're gonna fuck up?
No crucible of worlds, no sylvan, no fetches/shocks.
I want my expectations to be so incredibly low that I can't have them crushed.
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>>55245963
>fetches/shocks

Only fetches that need a reprint are the Zendikar ones. What we really need are a reprint of filter lands.
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>>55245943
It's the best Drone Citizen.
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>>55245744
storm cauldron seems spicy as fuck
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>tfw magic arena preview comes out in about 30 hours

>tfw it's a MOBA

how will you react?
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>>55245850
Is there any info on what is going to be there? Iconic is pretty vague.
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>>55245850
It's going to focus on the characters in magic, no demonic tutors, just jace jace jace and gideon

gotta market their new moba
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>>55245995
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>>55245995
"It's Persona 4 dance all night all over again"
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>>55245995
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>>55242520
Well, it can't be an instant due to Torrential Gearhulk. However...
>You may cast ~ as though it had flash if you pay {2} more to cast it.

There, playable.
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>>55245995

I don't even give enough of a fuck to find a reaction image to show how little fucks I give about MOBAs in general.
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>>55245995
Literally DotA in reverse
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>>55246149
AtoD?
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>>55246209
lmoa
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>Bought all four C17 boxes
>Didn't realize Cauldron Dance had a nice reprint in the Wizard box

Glad I picked them up. Not sure about the Cats: their tribal never really interested me.
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>>55243826

This guy >>55243982 has the idea, can confirm Bosh is primo fun artifact shenanigan general.
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>Scourge of the Throne and Revised Wheel of Fortune are both $50
What the fuck is happening to my beloved mono-red
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>>55245462
I was phoneposting, that's what.
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>>55246738

>mfw I thought you meant $50 each
>mfw sitting on 2 extra wheels and a playset of Scourge
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>>55246738
>scourge of the throne
>50 dollars
What are you smoking anon?

>just checked - it's 35-45 dollars
WHAT? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BULLSHIT? GOD DAMN IT.
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>>55246821
>>55246804
>>55246738
>check European market
>Scourge: 10 bucks
>Wheel: 40 bucks

huh
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>>55246804
>>55246821
I only have one Scourge but I bought it for like $8

Got 2 Wheels tho for $15 apiece
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>>55246738
>>Scourge of the Throne
what the hell
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>>55246738
>>55246821
>scourge of the throne
>50 bucks

WHY?

I can buy one for 8 bucks
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>>55246738
>building Kaalia
>hear dragon tribal is going to be a thing
>wait on buying the dragons until after lists are shown so I don't buy needlessly expensive Balefire Dragon or Kokusho.
>Scourge of the Throne was one of them
>forgot to buy them after the lists had fucking nothing
I dun goofed /edhg/.
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>>55242243
stop playing magic. its always going to come back to this.
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>>55242243
Play politics.dck.
Pitch them at each other.
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If I cast Venser to bounce something then use Inalla trigger and create a clone of him, can I use the clone's ETB to bounce original Venser while the original still does its bounce target?
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>>55247828
Yeah, he's basically a better Capsize.
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>>55247828
Yes, but you don't keep the copy Venser
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>>55247850
>>55247843
Thanks anons.

As long as I get to bounce Venser repeatedly, tis fine.
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I want to make a deck that says "fuck you" to card-holding strategies. The kind of deck where you vomit out everything in your hand and encourage everyone else to do it too; a deck that punishes waiting for the perfect moment to assemble your win-con. I want to buttfuck strategy.

I was thinking Ruric Thar, but somehow I feel like he's not on-the-nose enough. Are there any other commanders that attempt to persuade the other players at the table that maybe holding onto that counterspell or combo piece is a bad idea?

Pic related is exactly the kind of thing I'm going for. If I could make a commander out of Uba Mask I would do it. "Sorry, you don't get to hold cards."

CAVEAT: I do not want a chaos deck. I want to fuck with their strategy, but *I* still want to have a strategy, even if it's just belching out creatures and turning them sideways. I want to speed up the game, not slow it down.
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>>55247971
Run Hazoret. Get a rock or two down, godpuppy, Uba Mask, and throw the rest of your hand to pic related to screw everybody else's development and get the pervert's blood pumping
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>>55247971
R/B. I'd suggest Neheb.
Rewards you for being Hellbent, also has the colors for Sire of Insanity (each end step, everyone loses their hands).
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>>55245987
God yes that'd be great.
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What do I cut for some more ramp/fixing?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-dragon-or-how-i-became-the-dragonlord/

Mostly considering putting in Mirari's Wake, Traverse the Outlands, and possibly Shaman of the Forgotten Ways.
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>>55248179
maek dragun
>>55240659
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>>55247971
>>55248126
Sire of Insanity
Rakdos Augurmage
Rakdos' Return
Cunning Lethemancer
Creeping Dread
Delirium Skeins
Stronghold Rats
Baby/Flippy Liliana
Mindslicer
Rix Maadi, to do it on a land
Liliana of the Veil
Possessed Portal

Don't forget to add in some not-card draw, like Outpost Siege or Chandra, Torch of Defiance
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>>55248105
>>55248126
>>55248209

Yall are my heroes, I'll fool around with both commanders and report back.
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>>55247971
Omen Machine
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>>55248289
Might also want to look at Gnat Miser and Locust Miser.
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>>55248289
ya like hellbent?
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>>55245995
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/edhg/'s thoughts on this card? Thinking about it maybe for Purphoros, though the thought of replacing my mountains with the snow equivalent is unpleasant.
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>>55242712
>dralnu and oona
>a storm deck that can go toe-toe with T1 decks and a deck that easily assembles two-card infinites
puny god

Grimgrin is better than Gisa and Geralf but I prefer Thraximundar for those sweet wheels in zombie tribal.
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>>55246738
Shit. I'm happy my Xenagos already has His then.
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>>55241958

there is an enchantment that prevents those abilites from being used
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If Wheel isn't reprinted soon I'm going to flip a tit.
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I don't like hug decks.

Even if they have effects that give every player an equal effect, it does not have the same effect on everybody. Colors that are low on ramp or card advantage suddenly have access to massive draw and early mana. Even though these benefits are distributed evenly, those colors that already have lots of card draw and ramp are less benefited than those I have just mentioned. Moreover, suddenly having 7 mana on turn 3 disproportionately affects those with higher average CMC decks where before they would have to wait some turns and possibly build a board state (if they can), whereas this is easier for lower cmc decks. In this way, it is not possible for hug decks to uniformly advantage every player.
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>>55248451
>bit the bullet and built full-on Dralnu Doomtide
>my fucking face when I blew out a table of FCT, Boonweaver Karador and Grenzo Doomsday

It's a batshit awesome deck
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>>55248179
Cut Wayfarer's Bauble for Rampant Growth.
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>>55248498
If anything it's the other way around. They put good decks farther ahead and only help bring slower decks up to a decent level. Decent becomes good, bad becomes decent, and good becomes overpowered.
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>>55247971
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>>55248492
Reserved list, bruh
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>>55248447
I think it'd be a bad inclusion. Purph just wants to shit out tokens until you win. Find better/more ways to do that.
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>>55248492
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>>55248531
Decklist? I'm always down to peruse a Dralnu deck.
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>>55247971
>>55248579
Also this
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>>55248676
Forgot the card, dammit
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>>55248447
>>55248611
I know what Purph wants to do, but playing him also tends to make you a target because of what he wants to do, so I was just thinking as a way to protect himself while he does what he does.
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>>55248627
I netdecked the #2 Dralnu deck on tappedout like a fag
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>>55248617
>>55248595
Why does this exist?
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>>55248807
Because there are a great many pissbabies who are too chickenshit to play the stock market, so this is their next best option
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Whats the deal with mirror gallery? Should i trade it off? I missed the time it peaked
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Post pet cards
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>>55249082
Brethren of African descent.
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So /edh/ I am torn between the Vampire Deck and the Wizard deck. Which one seems like a better deal price wise, and which one seems to give more options to play about with things?
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>>55249082
>BB3, brick your opponent
Seems neat.
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Looking to branch out from Yugioh. I know the rules. What are some cheap toolboxy decks?
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>>55241437
Already played Yidris for a while because I knew my playgroup would pretty much never kill him immediately. It was Yidris Living End and it was some of the most fun I've had playing EDH.
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>>55249249
I own both, wizards has much more room to change and grow, whereas vamps is much better, but doesn't really need a whole lot and probably won't change other than ixalan vamps being added to it.
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>>55242675
>It's a houserule, but I feel like a lot of casual groups would accept any 4- or 5-color creature as an honorary legend. At least, they make exceptions for the Nephilim.
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>>55249296
Budget Ass Yisan
Yisan
Priest of Titania
Temur Sabertooth
Great Oak Guardian
Mana dorks

Your toolbox is
Bane of Progress- Crashes the artifacts, WITH NO SURVIVORS
Caustic Caterpillar- Naturalize on legs
Eternal Witness- DUH
Manglehorn- FUCK ARTIFACTS
Phyrexian Revoker
Quirion Ranger + Scryb Ranger
Reclamation Sage
Regal Force
Somberwald Stag
Sylvan Safekeeper
Wirewood Symbiote
Woodland Bellower
Beast Within
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>>55249082

It's pretty satisfying to fuck up somebody's infinite combo that uses an enchantment in Monored.
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>>55249611
I've never understood Yisan decks desu. What do they do against creature heavy strategies like the average Meren deck?
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Once you have two Lands out these are better than Shocklands.
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>>55240398
Okay I get how the timeline changing resulted in Anafenza getting killed, but why did it make her more asian looking?
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>>55241437
Hes mr gay
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>>55249870
But can you play them on turn one and get them out untapped?

Didn't think so.
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>>55249931
calm down competikiddie, in casual playgroups they work fine
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>>55249870
Totally wrong.
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>>55241437
I built a deck for him, played it once, took 15 minute turns then lost and haven't played it again.
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>>55249870
>better than shocklands
>only allied colors
no
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>>55241102
what if you're playing clerics?
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>>55241437
>4 color decks
ew
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Anyone got some spicy tech for Kess, Dissident Mage? She seems like a pretty straight forward value engine but I figured if anyone could cook up something spicy with her it'd be you nerds.
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>>55250272
>playing an ugly and uninteresting granny
Does anyone care about the card's aesthetic anymore?
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Ixalan might be the worst set flavortext wise of all time. Every card is a pain to read. Fuck this set.
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>>55250286
>everything needs to be cheesecake
pleb detected
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>>55250324
Not at all. There can be wonderfully ugly characters that make the art. Kess is just shit art, plain and simple.
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>>55249870
>no enemy versions

I was hoping they'd print enemy tangos in ixalan, but instead we get reprints of the already cheap ally checklands
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>>55250286
>mfw looking at the blown up card art
Holy fuck I thought she was a QT jesus christ I couldn't be more wrong.
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>>55250272
Little 1-for-1 discard spells, like Thoughtseize/Duress? Paying BB and 1 card to pick 2 from their hand seems pretty strong, and leaves you plenty of mana open for counters/other stuff.
Main sucky piece is that you can't double up on counterspells, otherwise I'd build her instead of Inalla.
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>>55249870
Two basic lands*
Yes, it matters. No, tangos are not better than shocks. In a format which cares even less about life than any other format, shocks are just fantastic.

>>55250286
>>55250345
>ugly and uninteresting
>shit art
It's a little boring and awkwardly framed, but it's not bad. It demonstrates what the card does. She's going down into some kind of underworld to find something in your graveyard. Not every card art needs to be a dynamic action shot. The original Snapcaster art was pretty boring, and that didn't stop people from loving the card and the effect.
To actually criticize somebody for wanting to brew a commander because you're not a fan of the art is 100% pleb tier. Rub one out before you post.
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>>55250472
Why don't people run Samut then if aesthetics don't matter? Take your granny BBW fetish elsewhere.
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>>55250472
>rub one out
>posts that image
I was but I lost the urge.
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What perception do you have of people based on the colour they mainly play?
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>>55247828
Even better- you use the original venser to bounce himself, then the clone to bounce something, which lets you keep the clone.
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>>55250472
The art reminds me of Ursula from The Little Mermaid during one of the upper-tier Disney Villain songs
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I'd fug a Kess, tbqhwyf
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>>55250542
>if aesthetics don't matter? Take your granny BBW fetish elsewhere.
aesthetics =/= arousal
Samuts card is repulsive because her in-story character, card mechanics, and art depiction don't align. She's the leader of movement for freeing her people but looks like a mindless bezerker. He textbox is mess of keywords that don't have meanfuling ties to her character besides "she's a speedster" and when implemented into the game, make even less sense (Flash + Vigilance+ Haste + Group Haste).
Kess looks like a wizard and the art depicts the narrative of what you would expect from a mage searching through a netherworld for lost/forgotten resources
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>>55250572
like how dogs reflect their owners, play-style reflects the player
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>>55250542
I never said aesthetics don't matter. You're coming off as the kind of mouthbreather who shows up with hentai sleeves and refers to all of his commanders as his waifus. Seriously, jerk off before you post.

>>55250593
That's exactly what I was thinking when I was hunting down a high res pic of the art. Kinda starting to come around on her now actually.
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>>55250631
Solid post.

>>55250690
Why are you so obsessed with dudes jerking off breh?

>Kinda starting to come around on her now actually
Yeah with how you talk I'm sure you are.
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>>55250455
I put duress and transgress the mind in my inalla deck because I can generally bring them back from the graveyard later and use them again and again to check out peoples hands and assess/remove threats
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What are some good BIG blue (or UG/UR) creatures?
I'd like to build an Animar deck focused on great, costly creatures (instead of the more competitive "Have some creatures bounce until Animar has infinite counters") and while finding big and strong R and G creatures is easy also I have a friend that runs a Mayael deck, so even in the worst case I could just get ideas from that, I'm not really sure about the U ones. Most of the ones I've seen don't have good effects and the ones that do have them aren't really that useful in the deck I'm trying to build, like Guile

Also, how should I build the mana curve? Building a deck that lets you cheat out creatures for cheap is a first for me, and I'm not sure how much to the right should I move the mean value
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>>55250753
I mean, I just run Clique for that. And counterspells. And Counterspell wizards. And Venser as a Remand with Buyback for 3UU.
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>>55246125
They likely didn't balance anything around Gearhulks.
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>>55246470
Nice job wasting money.
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>>55250776
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>>55240668
Human as a creature type was a mistake.
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>>55250776
Diluvian Primordial
Phyrexian Ingester
Quicksilver Gargantuan
Any of the numerous good Sphinxes
PERPLEXING CHIMERA
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>>55250776
Well, Eldrazi are free with Animar, I'll just point that out.

As for Blue...
Peregrine Drake
Mulldrifter
Deadeye Navigator
Draining Whelk
Consecrated Sphinx
Perplexing Chimera

>now for casual/fun cards
Diluvian Primordial
Hoverguard Sweepers
Phyrexian Ingestor
Sphinx Ambassador
Perplexing Chimera
Jin-Gitaxias
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>>55250420
Feel my pain.
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>>55250932
Merfolk arent allowed to be sexually attractive, thats a negativr stereotype.
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>>55250971
Oh shut up.
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>>55250845
>>55250872
Thanks
So is the Perplexing Chimera "competitive" or just for fun? It's in both categories
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>>55250932
They made her overcosted garbage so you don't even have to look at the art because you'll never play her.

It's called being considerate.
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>>55250932
YOWZA
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Bosh or Memnarch for mono color artifact fun?
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>>55251240
Bosh if you want to have fun with friends.

Memnarch if you want to have fun and lose said friends.
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>>55251240
Muzzio gets to do fun "anything could happen!" style artifact shenanigans where you peel random things off the top of your library.
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I'm looking to get into this. Are there any recommendations of where to start and where to buy? I know it's over 20 years old now, over 14,000 unique cards so it can be tricky but i'll like to learn.

Do I buy a whole booster box of the newest expansion or do i have to sift through ebay for older ones? Are there any good links to learn or videos to watch?
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>>55251514
Never buy booster unless you want to draft.
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>>55247828
Assuming that you decide to legend rule the copy out, yeah
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>>55251531
Then what do man?
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>>55251608
Only buy single cards, from local gaming stores or online. Are you starting to play magic or the format edh?
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>>55251629
both
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>>55251240
Memnarch. This is coming from a guy that plays him. I don't have any friends, but I regret nothing, it's been one hell of a ride with him.
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>>55251648
Do you have a playgroup or a local store near you? All good information to find cards is in the first post.
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>>55240569
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ur-dagon/

Maybe it won't suits your taste, but there is my decklist, on a budget with recent card Maybe not Dragon Arch and Time of need, but hey, that's two cards .
I reworked the manabase with the cards I own, just do the same with yours own lands. Basically cut lands that enter the battlefields tapped (16 is way too much) and add one or two ramp spells.
For the dragons, I suggest to reduce their number and add some protection or recursive. Keep yours favorites dragons, there is no bad choice, at least for a friendly environment.

Hope it helps
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>>55251678
>>55251648
>>55251608
>>55251531
>>55251514

it's painful to build a budget mtg deck and order the cards on the internet without ever having ever played mtg, but it's a month faster and 100+$ cheaper than buying booster packs and trading the cards you find from them to build a deck.
Perhaps you can copy someone else budget list and just order all the 100 cards from the same website.

a good alternative is to buy one of the new preconstructed commander decks, eventually buy single cards online/at the store to improve it, there are plenty of guides online dedicated to improve exactly those 4 new decks.they might not be as powerful as other commander decks both in their starting and upgraded form, but at least they let you try the format and improve the deck overtime rather than having to choose a list now and make a bigger purchase without any idea of what you are doing.
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>>55245850
>no flusterstorm reprint
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>>55245850
they will mostly be iconic cards of the last 5 years and a big jacetice league parade, which will players like me who came for oldtime(10+ years) cards.
pretty sure serra angel as god-tier draft uncommon will be there.
they said there will be at least 1 card for each expansion but they will use older expansion to fill common draft chaff and the mythic and rare slots will be filled with numagic garbage and planeswalkers.
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>>55248407
Lantern control edh when?
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What was your favorite card when you were first introduced to MtG?
You know, the card that turned out to be awful in most scenarios but you could just never let go of your love for it.
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>>55251608
here i see how i did it
step one: find out what the colors do
step two: chose a color combination that interests you
step theee: find a comander in that combination that interests you
step four: find cool interactions on edh rec for you deck
step five: use tcg player to buy cards
step six: go play wether it be with friends or at your local fnm


best site to use is edh rec
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>>55251867
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>>55251867
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>>55251894
Oh awful in most scenarios. This fuck is still a staple in my boros soldiers.
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I'm curious about other people's metas, do you notice consistent quirks or strats? Pet cards you never see elsewhere?

I play with a pretty small group of people, (working on bringing more into the fold) and they never seem to run spot removal or much interaction at all. Especially when it comes to combat tricks.
Maybe they're just really bad but, I seem like the asshole when I pass the turn with enough mana open to fuck someone's master plan over.
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>>55251867
One of my first magic cards. Not really awful, but also not really strong
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>>55251876
Thing in the ice isn't THAT bad..
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Why am I so hyped for the stupid dino deck I am gonna build?
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>>55251951
Thing in the ice was the bane of my existence when I first started playing, then I realised it's actually not that hard to deal with.
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>I attack you anon with my 10/10 fuckhuge megaguy
>Hmm okay i block with my 1/1 rat with deathtouch, we trade
>Oh you had a rat? I didnt know that. Then I dont attack you, I wouldnt have attacked you if I knew that

Alternatively
>Anon I Path your guy
>Hmm okay I respond by activating mother of runes
>Then I take that back, I wouldnt have casted that if I knew you had a mother of runes

Anyone else have a guy who does this shit?
Is this supposed to be okay or is this the workings of a That Guy?
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>>55252105
They're just ADD anons
Tell them to pay attention, if they'd rather focus on something else then they shouldn't be playing.
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>>55252105
Depends, if it's an ability of a permanent that's on the field I don't mind backsies. There's a lot of cards on the table and if people had to double check them before a play the game would take way too long (yes ideally they would remember all relevant permanents)
If it's something being revealed like card from hand or morph then it's too late.
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>guy sitting next to me always has his hand incredibly visible because he hangs he arms over his entire fucking battlefield
>whenever I look over at his field to pay attention to shit I can see his hand out of the corner of my eye
>feel like I'm cheating
Why do people do this shit?
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>>55252217
Tell him to tighten his shit up.
He's just really into the game and forgets about the outside elements.
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>>55252217
Turbo casual and/or plain bad
I do my best but a few I play with do this. I do the opposite and put my cards on the table once I have a plan. Also helps baiting people if they think I can't respond on their turn
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>>55252105
in highschool I had to "invent" cutting a deck before I knew what it even was since one of my friends would look through his deck for the specific card he needed, put it on the bottom, then slide it to the top the next time he drew a card
usually when he used an evolving wilds but sometimes he would "check if he put in a card earlier"

but then kitchen table magic was pointless anyway and they all quit after I started going to fnms and actually started playing with legit rules
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>need help for my deck
>dont wanna be bullied for posting a shitty list

feels bad man
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>>55247971
needs gathan raiders
and other hellbent shit
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>>55252105
Instead of
>Hmm okay I respond with [creature/ability on the field]
Say
>Do you really want to do that? I have [creature/ability on the field]

Takebacks suddenly feel a lot more natural
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>>55252447
>>55252447
>>55252447
>>55252447
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>>55252441
Works too, though I usually assume they're aware and have a response of their own. Guys I give people too much credit
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>>55251867
This thicc little bastard.
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>>55251876
>>55252018
>Thing in the Ice
>first started playing
You know that set came out like a year ago, yeah? It's still fucking legal in standard for fuck's sake.
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>>55241043
Here's my list http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/granny-pashiri/
Nothing particularly special. Does need Dross Scorpion and some other things.
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>>55251876
Eh, it's not hard to flip just by playing the game, and even if it gets nuked it's whatever, you only spent two mana on it.
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>>55252605
YOU HAVE 2 PLAY 4 AT LFEAST 10 YEARS B4 UR F1RST CARD IS VALID XD
Fuck you.
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>>55251807
It can be done, anon. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/lantern-controverlord/
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>>55241616
Infinite mana (with Paradox engine or dramatic reversal on an isochron scepter with rocks in play) with tasigur lets you exile all of your opponent's decks with praetor's grasp. You can hit hands with a discard spell (say hymn to tourach), board with beast within, then graveyards with a tormod's crypt.
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>>55246015
Green: Hydras, Red: Dragons, White: Angels, Blue: Sphinges, Black: Demons

Iconic masters is already confirmed for trash.
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