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>>55170505
>What commander makes you groan when you see it?
none, I enjoy playing against really tuned decks even if mine are not.
I regularly play against zergo mld, zur enchants and combo decks
i would prefer to play against johnny decks though

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>>55170166
People who play something like Westvale Abbey when there's a Strip mine on the board and than tilt into another plane of existence when it gets destroyed by said Strip mine.

>Thread question
>What commander makes you groan when you see it? How do you deal with it?

Atraxa and pic related.

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Meet my wife.
She's a bit controlling, and a bit of a biter and her dick's bigger than mine.
She get's really fat if no one does anything about it, too.

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Prossh commander

anything i should add / remove / change ?

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This is a reminder to all aspiring Gishark players.
Buy suspected dinosaurs now. It's better to waste $1 or $2 buying something that may not actually end up getting errata'd than to have to spend $10 once the "investors" get to it.

>>55170505
>What commander makes you groan when you see it? How do you deal with it?

Oloro, because Oloro decks love to grind the game to a halt to increase the value they gain off his FREE life.

Chaos/group hug. Because I sat down to play magic, not "whoever sits to the left of the group hug player wins" and I definitely didn't come to play a coinflip simulator.

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>>55170540
>now, isn't that better? ;^)

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>>55170540
>This will never be an official promo art

Why is it that Olivia always looks best outside her own cards?

>>55170559
Just ordered a deathmist raptor for 2€, this buyout craze is annoying.

How many tutors do you have to run before you can play coffers+urborg in a 3+ color deck?

>>55170505
>Thread question
Narset, I focus her. Teeg, I remove him. Brago, I don't let him attack. Karador, I don't spread my cards too wide so they are easier to pick up and clear my throat to REEE in reeeesponse to Saffi-Renegade Rallier infinite.

>>55170582
Green

>>55170582
All of them, or at least have someone else at your table running Urborg, too.
I've run a lot of shitty lands but a dead Coffers is by far the most painful.

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>>55170540
So what's the ultimate feminine benis Commander? Alesha or Olivia?

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>>55170574
It's probably less than $10 right now to buy all the ones that could end up being a problem, so it'll probably be worth it in the long run to bite the bullet. Maybe Aetherwind Basker or Brooding Saurian don't end up being Dinosaurs and you wasted $1. Maybe they do and they're $15 each.

Can anyone give me defensive card recommendations for Locust God that AREN'T Silent Arbiter/Crawlspace?
Playtesting has shown that I need some defense for situations like shit draws or not getting mana rocks fast enough.

>>55170558
you need to cut the chaff and add ramp

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>>55170634
Alesha can have Olivia inside her.

>>55170574
>deathmist raptor
>buyout
for what purpose?

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>>55170642
Demoralize them.

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>>55170646
>her

>>55170634
Olivia. Alesha isn't a feminine in the least. Alesha is man that wizards PR said is trans to get homos to buy cardboard. Alesha has no feminine traits in his personality or body, and since they never mention fucking, we can assume that he still fucks girls too.

>>55170662
Because it's practically guaranteed to be a Dinosaur once the Ixalan CR Update is put into effect. Gishark will get a bunch of people wanting to play Dinosaurs, so the price will naturally rise. With a little assistance, it could unnaturally rise a whole, whole lot more.

>>55170642
Ensnaring Bridge, you only want to attack with 1/1s and you will draw a bunch before attacking so it has no effect on you.

>>55170558
Why 33 lands?

>>55170678
Deathmist Raptor is too new to really go high but I bet Brooding Saurian becomes at least 5$ and maybe 10$. Coldsnap is not a very common set at all.

>>55170678
ill put a foil Razaketh, The Foulblooded on it remaining a lizard

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>>55170663
>demoralize them

How do you do that in MTG?

>>55170691
whats wrong with having 33 lands?
thats extreamly common
if he bothered to include more than 2 ramp cards

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>>55170712
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/164770101033/can-you-spoil-what-cards-are-going-to-be-erratted

Alright, I'll be waiting for it in the mail.

>>55170713
The joke is that Propaganda's flavor is demoralizing your opponent's creatures so they have to be motivated more to attack.

>>55170606
>All of them

Anon that isn't a number. Right now I have 5 tutors for it. (Vampiric, demonic, Sidisi, Diabolic intent, tolaria west) and over a dozen draw spells. I could add 3 more tutors for the land, but my list is really tight right now and I'm not sure how much I need it (especially because I'm not running any way to recur lands in grixis)

>>55170760
Can't go wrong with demonic tutor.

>>55170775
Scratch that, I can't read today.

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>>55170698
Deathmist is a Mythic and it's around $2 right now. I could definitely see it getting upjumped to $5-$7. Another recent Mythic, Aetherwind Basker, is one that doesn't have the greatest chance of being errata'd but would be one of the better dinosaurs if it is.

They're both very cheap right now, I'd get them if you have any interest in Dinosaurs as a tribe just to be safe.

>>55170760
5 seems good. I have four tutor type cards in my deck and it does pretty good

>>55170741
>http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/164770101033/can-you-spoil-what-cards-are-going-to-be-erratted
oh

>>55170801
>Aetherwind Basker
but thats actually just a lizard

>>55170760
How Swampy is your mana base right now? How badly would running one tapped land be?

If the risk factor for Coffers is negligible, or its ability to perform without Urborg is high enough, just don't even worry about having to search it up.

>>55170739
>if he bothered to include more than 2 ramp cards
There's arguably 10 - 13 ramp cards.

Hermit Druid
Cultivate
Sol Ring
Krosan Restorer
Treasonous Ogre
Nature’s Spiral
Treasured Find
From Beyond
Ashnod’s Altar
Harrow
Grisly Salvage
Xenagos, the Reveler

>>55170559
>Buy suspected dinosaurs now

Who the fuck would even want to do a speculative buyout on suspected Dinosaurs? Previously unusable creatures getting some new tribal synergy is not going to make them a sought after item. For that to pay off, they'd have to not only errata the cards to be dinosaurs, but also to print some absolutely bonkers tribal support card for them that we haven't seen yet and which they're very unlikely to print because a card that's strong enough would break Standard.

>>55170833
I know, but the risk/reward factor here favors reward pretty highly. Sink $1 into buying an Aetherwind Basker and you haven't really lost anything. The risk that it doesn't get errata'd is very high, yes, but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. It's possible they'll favor anything that could "reasonably" pass as a dinosaur in order to flesh out the creature type a bit.

>>55170801
Neither of those cards are good, and it would be better to just run non-dinosaurs then to ever consider them.

And basker is from a standard legal set, its price really can't be manipulated for longer than a week. Price will crash hard and investors will lose money

>>55170859
If you're gonna run a meme like dinosaur EDH you won't have much choice anyways.

>>55170849
>nature's spiral
>hermit druid
>Treasured Find
>Grisly Salvage
>Ashnod’s Altar
>ramp

>>55170834
Not many, I have a single swamp + fetches, shocks, and ABUR duals. I would be lucky to break even with it without urborg.

>>55170887
You can run gishark and have good non dinosaurs in the deck like birds of paradise or avenger of zendikar.

Don't be silly.

>>55170851
>Previously unusable creatures getting some new tribal synergy is not going to make them a sought after item.

You'd think that, but you saw some of the price spikes with Wizards, didn't you?

If I'm running Path of Ancestry should I run Man lands over Scry lands?

>>55170941
Depends on if man lands are part of your strategy. If you don't have any use for them, a free scry is naturally better.

>>55170966
I like it. It's a Planeswalker with a specific goal and theme that doesn't just outright win with its ult. I like that it's more than just "+? card advantage, -? kill something/protection, -? win the game".

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>>55170859
>>55170920
Gishath's ability really wants you to be playing a high density of Dinosaurs. Side note: I hadn't realized we'd gotten its name wrong.

>>55170966
That doesn't look like the art from the spoiler sheet, and it's fairly week. I'm guessing this will be the Planeswalker pack version?

If I had to choose between one or the other, should I go with Mox Opal or Mana Crypt? Crypt is more expensive but it goes plus more on mana (and it has a lesser drawback), but Opal is also really useful for color fixing and isn't hard to turn on.

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>>55170966
>>55171007
Yes. Planeswalker Pack Jace too, which officially puts him ahead of Nissa and Chandra as being the Planeswalker with the most versions printed.

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>>55170966
fake and garbage, all at the same time

>>55170966
Not gatewatch planeswalker deck walkers! They listened.

>>55171028
It's a intro deck planeswalker, being overcosted jank is par the course.

>>55170966
>>55171024
These didn't need to be a thing.

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staples for this man?

>>55171024
Wow. This is by far the worst walker I've ever seen. Even for a Planeswalker Deck walker.

>>55171051
Annoying shit like Null Rod and Rest In Peace? I mean, they'll hate you anyway, may as well make them hate you more.

He's not a build around me General. Just put in good stuff. You don't need spice.

>>55171053
Tibalt exists.

>>55170851
Not a buyout, we're just talking about what to get for our on personal dino decks.

>>55171051
white sun's zen as the sole wincon

>>55171036
I wish we'd gotten a Vraska instead of Jace, even though she'd be garbage too.

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>>55170966
>planeswalker decks

>>55171007

Yeah, almost certain to be the planeswalker deck version due to how weak it is.

>>55171051
Fractured Identity

>>55171093
I'm honestly not sure. You could at least run Tibby in a heavy Madness+Flashback setting and get a Sudden Impact off of him.

This, though. Man, 6 mana draw a card?

>>55171126
Yeah, that would've been cool. Probs next set.

>>55171053

Tibalt and the previous PW deck Lili are both shittier. Though not by much.

The thing that annoys me about PW deck walkers is that despite how weak they are, the fact that they're only found in PW decks and PW decks contain no relevant cards outside them means they never actually fall under the $5 range. So I can't out them in my $2 cube.

Come on Wizards, you should know by now to cater to me specifically. Me, your only customer.

>>55171136
It is definitely the precon deck. You can tell by the number 285/279.

Planeswalker deck cards always have numbers above the total number.

>>55171051
Pillowfort with rest in peace + helm of obedience win con.

>>55171116
Well, the buyout concerns were really more about much older cards with limited or single printings. Brooding Saurian or Magmasaur, for instance.

>>55171093
Tibbles costs 2, not 6, and while his CA/filtering is super dubious it's also in red which scrounges for every scrap it can get. His ult is also (slightly) more game-ending. He's bad, but he's not "This Jace" bad.

>>55171164
No, 6 mana all your creatures have vigilance.

>>55171024
>twiddles as a plus
Jeskai ascenancy time?

>>55170966
shit

>>55171190
Yeah. I guess.

>>55171173
You get packs. I get what you mean though. Cube sounds fun. Honestly, I do like the idea of planeswalker decks because I'm tired of going through all the card types to someone new to the game and literally not having an example of one of them on hand.

>>55171188
There's probably a universe that got a Tibalt with "+1: Discard a card. If you do, draw a card" and he's seen as the hero mono-red deserves.

>>55171051
Smokestack
Sphere of Resistance
Tangle Wire
Frozen Aether/Kismet
All the good mana rocks
Static Orb
Winter Orb
Propaganda/Ghostly Prison & Related Effects
Cheap, tax-based counterspells (Overrule is OK, Mana Leak, etc.)
Hard Counters.
Arcane Lab
Armageddon, Catastrophe, and other MLD
Stasis?

>>55170966
still can't be used as a commander

good job wizards

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>People are adding this to Marath decks

For what purpose? The new axe is more Marath than this is.

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With two new sets of tribal-matters cards and C17, will we see a merfolk buy out too?

>>55171232
Just use intruder alarm

>>55171241
I like the idea that he's gambling. I wish Wizards had gone crazy with him. +1: Discard a card at random. Draw cards equal to that card's converted mana cost.

>>55171294
Not as much, because the good Merfolk are already expensive thanks to Modern/Legacy. What's likely is that there will be a Collected Company build of Merfolk using some of the new Green and/or U/G Merfolk.

>>55171294
i cannot fucking wait to put together a new merfolk deck

>>55171291
Marath is the most sensible commander for Beast Tribal.

>>55171334
>coco merfolk

holy fuck kill me now

>>55171334
its funny because merfolk are not even good in modern or legacy and still wont be with these new additions, elves are objectively better in like every way

>>55171355
Almost time to sell my playset of CoCo I've been holding onto I guess. I'm going to finally get that Mana Crypt or Mox Opal I guess.

>>55170760
I would also use Crop Rotation and that new sorcery, but if you're in Grixis, there's Gamble and some worse tutors. If you don't mind revealing the card, Beseech the Queen is somewhat playable or if you have money, there's always Imperial Seal and Grim Tutor

>>55170505
So, im a newish player i dont really know what cards to cut in my arcane wizardry deck, i cut a few already that i thought didn't fit my theme that well and put in some things.
Any recommendations or should i put what i've got on tappedout and what i kind of want to put it so you could help me?

>>55170760
Just run expidition map. Easy enough to recurr

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>>55171353
>Marath
>Not Gahiji

Maybe in Tiny Wieners Marath is Best Beast, but not so much in big boy EDH.

>>55171294
Merfolk has been a competitive to semi-fringe Legacy deck for a long time so I don't predict a big difference. And I can't think of any significant reserved list merfolk. Empress Galina is a merfolk too so maybe she spikes again even harder.

>>55171499
I love Gahiji and him being an overrun for a general is pretty sick, but Marath can be cast and used up for multiple Aether Charge triggers in a turn.

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Remember when this dude was king pubstomper?

>>55171536
>overrun
>tfw no trample

I hope Huatli's real card is 2cmc.
I also want her to sit on my face

>>55171557
Back in the days when the big boys of the format were Arcum and Rafiq. EDH was a different format.

>>55171557
Yeee. And back then we all played clones so we had a way to kill him. Now clones don't work and he could make a comeback but voltron in general is a boring way to play that usually kills one person then loses.

>>55171603
>>55171557
I still get upset playing against those decks.

I remember solemnly cutting Phantasmal Images thinking about what the fuck I was gonna do to deal with this.

>>55170558

Deck makes no sense

>>55171713
I miss the days when Phyrexian Metamorph was an incredibly easy to recur "kill your commander" card.

Have there been any other non-commander precon cards like Teferi's Protection that have shot up so much?

>>55171804
what do you mean non commander? teferi's protection is only from a commander set.

if you mean cards in general yes they shoot up all the time, unless you mean comander cards that have shot up then yes, true name and atraxa

>>55171801
It's still my pet card.

>>55171804
Shardless Agent and Baleful Strix both peaked around $20.

>>55171804
True-Name Nemesis was pretty expensive from the jump with C13.

>>55171820
Non-commander, precon. From a precon, not a commander. TNN is the example.

>>55171017

Mana Crypt is better, I don't like playing Mox Opal without all the 0-1 mana rocks anyway

>>55171804
flusterstorm and TNN
in eternal formats teferis protection probably isn't going to be touched though, compared to angels grace it doesnt do much. Its just a really good solution to boardwipes and more that doesnt need you to be in blue for counterspells. It wouldnt have been much better than ghostway and friends if they didnt just change the rules so that tokens survive forever.

>>55171874
Yeah in Legacy/Vintage there's virtually no deck that would want to play Teferi's Protection. If you need to stop someone's boardwipe or combo spell then counter it for 2 mana or less instead of making it ineffective for 3 mana.

>>55171969
>Yeah in Legacy/Vintage there's virtually no deck that would want to play Teferi's Protection
except the deck that runs teferi's protection as a wincon

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>New Mirri + Dragon Throne of Tarkir + Curse of Bounty
>Slave Mirri with a fuck ton of equipment
>Tap her pre attacks
>Attack, everything untaps
>Tap Mirri again

Fuck, this is gross.

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>>55172040

>>55170814
Fuck you Maro. Just give us the deets, you ass.

>>55172085
12 25/25's with Doubestrike in a low power game isn't really a laughing matter boyo.

>>55170966
This makes me excited for the real deal... also, for a tanned dino knight waifu.

>>55172122
>Doubestrike
i think you mean trample
>gross
congrats you built your own craterhoof only more expensive and fragile

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>>55172166
speaking of build your own
does anyone use build your own gilded lotus?

>>55172166
>Trample
Double Strike and Trample yes.

>Glass Craterhoof
Pretty much.

>>55171557
Is he not anymore?

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Is there an reliable and easy way to transfer Magic art nicely? I'd really like to switch Samut Voice of Dissent's art with Blur of Blades, but haven't done anything like this before.

>>55172202
There's scarier boys to deal with nowadays and Sigarda 1.0 is the better aura voltron due to her sac immunity.

>>55172186
Best with proliferate and even then it's still janky.
Good thing my Vorel deck LOVES Jank.

>>55172193
>>55172122
what the hell does doublestrike have to do with this interaction?

>>55172223
Fair. Sigarda is quite the nuisance.

>>55172222
cut it up, glue it on

>>55171999
What is the combo, Lethal Vapors + Teferi's Protection? Can't they skip an equal number of turns?

>>55172223
>Sigarda 1.0
she was released before him btw

>>55171999
what deck? a quick google search gives me nothing.

>>55172246
I didn't state odric, my b.

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>>55172275
>Sigarda
>released before Uril
Pretty damn sure Alara was before innistrad.

>>55172275
>2009 happening before 2012
The fuck are you on?

>>55172275
Not even close. Zendikar and Scars came out in between them.

>>55172276
i think its some lethal vapors deck

>>55172313
Mtgtop8 shows no results for Teferi's Protection

What's a good Average CMC for an EDH deck? Mine's 3.5 and I feel like that's a bit high.

>>55172309
>>55172305
>tfw you thought he was designed for commander
rip

>>55172339
whos you're commander? that seems pretty normal

>>55172355
Marath. My mono black Sidisi is 3.3.

>>55172339
Most of my decks hover around 3-3.5, except for the 2 competitive decks I have which sit around 2-2.5

Then there's Volrath with an average CMC of 5

>>55172368
given that you have access to lots of ramp in those colors i say thats fine

>>55172377
>average CMC of 5
how do you even manage that?

so I'm upgrading the wizard precon and after putting in all the upgrades I could I found that I only have like 4 or 5 cards with red on them.

is it weird when running 3 colors to have so little of one color?
usually when building a deck I have a bunch of cards from each color I want to put in but for this deck almost everything was either blue or black that I wanted

>>55172395
My Mairsil has an average of 5, too.

>>55172395
Fucking massive creatures that I pitch to Volrath and mass reanimate with Living Death

>>55172399
This is especially apparent with the new decks.
Torchling is the only monored card in my Mairsil deck, Edgar is almost completely black except for the occasional red splashed vamp and white boardwipes/protection/removal.

>>55172352
He'd have been in C13 if he was.

>>55172422
I think the only cards with red I put in my wizard deck are inalla, kess, niv, dual caster mage, chaos warp, and blasphemous act. I was considering swapping a board wipe for hour of devastation but I don't know if it would be effective in edh

>>55172456
yeah
thats what i meant

>>55172456
HoD is trash when you have access to any other color except green

I impulse bought like 8 booster boxes since they were $10-20 off.

Where do I get shit to keep my extra cards in?

>>55172521
8 boxes of what?
ask your LGS for storage boxes

>>55172547
2 of all the recent ones.

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>>55172560
Oh boy

>>55172560
hahahahahahahah

I can't wait to replace Shamanic Revelation with Treasure map since Shamanic Revelation almost never goes off when I've got more than two creatures out.

>Scry
>More consistent card draw
>Mana ramp
>Works with Doubling Season

Ixalan is looking great.

>>55172560
Post your best pulls, you cant leave us hanging like that

>>55172521
After you're done drafting, just get some BCW boxes.

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>>55172521
These things made by BCW. Buy them from your LGS or amazon.

>>55172624
It needs 3 turns to come online though, i wouldn't cut Shamanic Revelation if i were you anon

>>55172661
Well it's either it or Qasali Pridemage and I could see Qasali Pridemage getting cut since I have a lot better artifact/enchantment removal and better ones at that.

>>55172589
>>55172596
>>55172638
God-Pharaoh
Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Masterpiece Steel Overseer
Foil Scarab God
Scarab God
And that's everything over $10 from the ones I've opened so far. My room smells like new cards and I think it's getting me dangerously high so I stopped

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>>55172222

Just photoshop and print a proxy instead of fucking up the actual card.

>>55171846

Lich Lord of Unx?

>>55172699
>Masterpiece Steel Overseer

Damn son nice pull

>>55172186

I REALLY like this card and I also really like that it's only 20 cents.

>>55172718
I mean if I manage to sell it.
I don't play Eternal formats and if I do I probably won't be playing Affinity and if I somehow do I'd rather use the normal ones.
I was kind of hoping for a card I needed or would even use in some way.

>>55171787
explain

>>55170582
Depends on the rest of your manabase, Drowned Catacomb and Blooming Marsh would pair worse than Usea and Bayou.

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Is this a flavor win or flavor fail in a Dragon Tribal deck?

>>55172699
Pretty lucky and good pulls.

>>55172796
Flavor win just because it's an earthquake in a deck filled with fliers

>>55170582
Coffers in anything more than monoblack is high risk, high reward. The following factors make it more viable

>Green
If you have access to Crop Rotation or other dedicated land tutors (not BASIC land), Coffers/Urborg is far easier to set up. You don't want to waste a Demonic on Urborg. You can also run Prismatic Omen as Urborg #2, which helps a lot
>Expensive Mana Base
If your tricolor build starts with 3 ABUR duals, 3 Shocks, and 9 Fetches you've got a better chance of getting at least a normal land's value out of Coffers without Urborg. You don't need EVERY land to have access to basic types (it's certainly not worth playing the battle lands for) but if you can put 3 swamps on the field more often than not, Coffers is a go.
>Synergizing cards that also synergize with the rest of your deck
If you can already untap lands as part of a big mana scheme (perhaps with Nykthos or Cradle already in the deck), Coffers becomes more valuable. This doesn't reduce the risk of Dead Coffers but it does increase the reward of Active Coffers.

>>55172796
win, also a pretty good card

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>>55172848
I want a landsmatter commander for Abzan and Sultai.
I just want to run a deck where I can transmute Tolarian west and play it from my graveyard without dishing out $100 for crucible.

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>foil fullart plains is the 4th most expensive foiled card in Amonkhet

>>55172918
b-b-but we wuz kangz

>>55172918
> Literally less than $5 on tcgPlayer
> Almost all full arts the same price

Go to bed Kevin.

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>>55172900
>no build-in card draw
weak

>>55172947
>>55172952
>buying 20 foiled bolas horns costs nearly $100
Do I do it?
How long does it take before these things climb to $10 like the Zendikar lands?

>>55172900
>Abzan landsmatter
>not Jund landsmatter to play Titania, Gitrog and Angry Omnath toghether with your landmatter commander

>>55172978
Just buy un-lands at that point

>>55172978
Are you $100 gay for Bolas?
Admittedly, they're more solid than the Zendikar lands because they'd have a bitch of a time reprinting them, whereas they reprinted some of the Zendikar ones when we went back and they'll probably do the same next trip.

re posting from yesterday

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-draconic-domination-wubrg-dragon-tribal-c17-p-/


what should i change out for what i have in the maybe board?

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>>55170559
>yfw they retcon all lizards, birds and raptors as dinosaurs

>>55173031
That'd be maybe a bit much.

I'm building Mairsil Treasure/Gold/Thopters Revel in Riches/Mechanized Production feat. King Macar and there's nothing you can do to stop me!

>>55172713
>commander card
It was printed in Alara

>>55173031
Birds are actually pretty close to a T-Rex though

>>55172989
I can buy about 26 foil Amonkhet fullarts for the price of 2 foil unhinged

>>55172222
you can use your tears as a solvent

and your unwanted seed as glue

>>55172330
Teferi's protection was just printed, retard. There's no top 8's yet, if they ever even happen

>>55173073
Wasn't talking about foil, unhinged lands look much better, even if they aren't foil it's worth it

>>55173094
There was a 295 person tournament after C17 was released and Teferi's Protection wasn't in any of the top decks.

>>55173109
>unhinged lands look much better
Depends on who you ask.
In terms of plain art, the quality of the Unhinged ones is pretty top notch compared to most the Amonkhet fullarts.
At the same time, the exceedingly plain border fails to compliment the art, nearly contrasting it, not in a positive way either.
I also get a real lonely feeling looking at the Unhinged ones, being so far away from the subject or in such a vast landscape. It's very good for depicting nature but I already feel too lonely for the grand majority of the time I spent awake, I'd rather spend it glancing neat art that tells a story, rather than straight up depicting beauty.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/allegiance-to-the-throne/

How the fuck is this %100 competitive?

>>55173177
You're really really good at deck building, like everyone else since this morning

>>55172222
There's a guy who swapped GW Selvala's art out for Worldknit and it looks pretty good. Not sure how he went about it, but it is possible to do at least.

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Just assembled my Ur-Dragon deck. Had to take all the good 5c mana fixing out of my Horde of notions deck. I feel a little bad. Deck has been through a lot.

>I will never Crib Swap people for domain at instant speed whenever I want

Ever feel bad tearing apart a deck even though you know it's for the better?

>>55173203
I'm doing it right now with Ur-Dragon after refusing to jam green into Gahiji until my Dragon shitbrew works.

>>55173017
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-draconic-domination-wubrg-dragon-tribal-c17-p-/

>take out
Orator of Ojutai
Fractured Identity

>add
Mirarri's Wake
Solemn Simulacrum

>cards you should add
Chromatic Lantern
Zendikar Resurgent
Temur Ascendancy
Sylvan Caryatid
Birds of Paradise

>>55173203
>Ever feel bad tearing apart a deck even though you know it's for the better?

Just went through this.
Tore apart my Ruhan and Vish Kal to make room for the new precons.
The new decks are far more consistent and powerful, but I'll miss how elevated I felt when my shitty, inconsistent homebrewed machine comes online and I dominate the game once every blue moon.

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>>55173174
>2017
>not playing lewd anime girls on full art japanese foil lands
Why bother playing at all

>>55173256
or you could just play Shadowverse

>>55173203
Yes but I keep a record of the list before I disassemble it so I could always just rebuild it if I miss playing it. This is definrely the way to go when playing a legit fetch+ABUR dual manabase. I'm not going to buy dupes for another 5-color deck and limit myself to 1 5-color deck at a time instead.

Bring Crib Swap to the Ur Dragon where it costs only 1W!

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>>55173274
>having time to play removal when you're curving out like a madman

>>55173031
But raptors are birds

What is a fun Johnny commander that is actually part of the deck's combo, and not just a way to have the colors you want or a generic card draw engine?

Until now I've mostly played Timmy decks and I wanted to try the thrill of a different way of playing

>>55173230
who to take out for birds and caryatid? didn't think they would fit in the deck anywhere
and should i really remove a removal for mana? why not one of the "curses"?

>>55170966
>>55171024
Are these the only two new cards we've found out about today? Any vampires?

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>>55173397
Just intro deck stuff so nothing actually good.

>>55173389
yea, take out the curses for mana ramp and fixing

>>55173389
>>55173411
also, add utter end and/or anguished unmaking

>>55173451
You probably can, but I wouldn't trust EDHg with advice for 60 card formats.

>>55173510
My bad, I thought this was MTGg

>>55173382
Ghave and Marath are very commander-centric with plenty of Johnny interactions, but they can also be pretty degenerate.

>thread question
Derevi. Groans double in intensity if the owner claims "Oh, it's not a regular Derevi, I made it bird tribal / voltron"

Yes it's a regular Derevi, every fucking Derevi is a no-fun-allowed piece of shit, fuck Wizards for fucking with the commander tax.

>>55173451
Vs 3 people you need to do 120 damage (if nobody gains life or counters) lets average each spell as a lightning bolt you will need ~40 burn spells so that leaves room for 22-25 creatures/artifacts etc, its possible but if anyone gains life they might be out of reach generally its unviable to burn out more than one person, if you insist throw in all the earthquake effects and pyrohemia to keep creatures off the board and pack every red spell that destroy artifacts (if it also does damage even better) who is your commander?

>>55170505
Looking for cards that make creatures for your opponents, as I'm building a Kenji, Honored One EDH for the funsies. So far I have:

Genesis Chamber
Forbidden Orchard
Varchild's War-Riders
Akroan Horse
Hunted Troll / Dragon / Lammasu
Acorn Catapult
Death by Dragons
Goblin Spymaster

>>55173685
>fuck Wizards for fucking with the commander tax
C17 was Oloro 2: Electric Boogaloo, C18 will be Derevi 2: Revelations

>>55173685
It gives me an excuse to run Dismiss into Dream and Reconnaissance

>>55173441
>>55173411
fixed and added more potential to the maybeboard

>>55173735
I want blatantly degenerate commanders like the first 5.

>>55173822
>Zedruu
>Mimeoplasm
>blatantly degenerate

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Secret tech for an Ocean theme deck? Jank is welcome

>>55173875
Damia and Riku count in their place :)

Shattergang Brothers-sort-of-stax

r8 & h8 http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-09-17-shattergang-brothers-edh/

>>55173888
Whelming wave

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>>55173888

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greatest-hits-remixed/?cat=type&sort=

R8 my grixis reanimator deck m80s

I'm considering adding worldgorger dragon to combo with, but infinite mana doesn't necessarily win me the game so I'm not sure

>>55171474
If you have absolutely no idea what to add, edhrec is a good place to go.

>>55173976
what is this kindergarden manabase? what the fuck, upgrade asap

>>55174112

Nonbasic landhate is pretty strong in my meta and im running shit like destructive flow, which is pretty janky but hits hard.

To be honest i never really had problem with any color.

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>>55173888

>>55173976

>Shattergang bros can't even make people sac lands

Damn he's a bit worse than I thought

>>55174135
did someone in your playgroup go full autismo M/LD police that you have to run basic land manabase?

>>55174163
Everyone who thinks he's bad and leaves him alone immediately discovers the folly of their actions.

>>55174135

I mean I just did 10 test hands of your deck and only 2 had all 3 colors, 3 had only 1 color

>>55174228

Stitcher Geralf is a bad card, don't add jt

>>55174185

Yes.. Some fuckhead did actually go down that lane.

>>55174225

Well, i could try running with a more upgraded landbase, see if things run smoother. I got everything i need right here. Thanks for the advice i suppose.

>>55174228
No one wants to see another Scarab God deck.
That being said why the flying fuck do you have Tezeret, the Memer in there?

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Scarab God anon here. I'm trying to fit some cards into my deck and need advice. I apologize for keep coming back for advice.

The general idea of the deck is UB Control/Combo.

Tapped out link to deck:
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-ub-zombies/

What I am trying to fit in is the following:
>Jin Gitaxias
>Stitcher Geralf
>Buried Alive
>Corpse Connoisseur

Any advice on what in particular should come out for these? Or general stuff for anything particularly bad in the deck.

>>55174275
I run an ok number of artifacts and he provides a little ramp and control when needed. Him being able to give somewhere around +3/-3 when he's out is the idea.

>>55174228
>>55174278

-empty the pits, too costly
-tezz the schemer, does nothing
-silent arbiter, you're going wide yet you limit your option to attack?
-call to the grave, hits your commander as well

>>55174294
>Him being able to give somewhere around +3/-3 when he's out is the idea.
>using his - ability
>ever
He's convoluting your theme
There's plenty of repeatable removal that fits better with a creatures theme, and there's almost no reason to need him to buff a creature with how your deck works.

>>55173888
High tide?

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I'm brewing dirty old granny. how do I make sure my pirates deal combat damage?

>>55174347
>>55174349

>-empty the pits, too costly
I was looking for one more way to generate zombie tokens, but you're right, this should probably come out.

>-tezz the schemer, does nothing
I'll take him out.

>-silent arbiter, you're going wide yet you limit your option to attack?
The idea is not to attack with this deck. The idea is to wait it out with Scarab God and play defensively. This is not meant to be a creatures based Scarab God deck.

>-call to the grave, hits your commander as well
This is very true. I should probably remove it.

So Tezz and Call to the Grave are coming out. The other two I am less sure of.

Why are all the pirates women? Do women outnumber men significantly on Ixalan?

>>55174261

I mean no reason to change if it's working for you, I was just throwing out some data in case you've played with the deck not enough times to really get a feel for how likely you are to be color screwed

>>55174449
Cultural Marxism

>>55174278
>falling for the zombie tribal meme
Scarab is for high-value draw-go attrition control. The scrying and life loss is just a bonus for reanimating all the good shit you kill and counter.

>>55174425

Silent arbiter makes no sense in your deck man. It limits your ability to block and attack. You don't need a card like that for defense when you have a bunch of zombies to block with, and being able to attack once youve taken control is important

>>55174425
Remove blood/bond combo, its fine on paper but soon as either piece hit the table you get hatefucked out of the game, its practically 2 dead cards

>>55174381
Conspiracy, Xenograft, Arcane Adaptation. Proceed to run unblockable creatures that aren't pirates.

>>55174449
Its south/central america the set, they are all amazonian princesses

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>7UU: each opponent loses 30 life

Is that really how this would work?

>>55174425
desu wall of 4/4+ usually disintrest people from attacking you unless they have massive board with buff from goat/craterhoof where it wouldn't matter

>>55174449
pirates are descendans of losers against Legion of Dusk on the other continet and what >>55174475 wrote

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>>55174449
>Why are all the pirates women?
You're focusing on the women because you enjoy having something to complain about.

>>55174515
Yes.

>>55174449
not only pirates, but most of the relevant cards in later years have been female

>Saheeli
>Breya
>Kydele
>Kaya
>Narset
>Mizzix
>Samut
>Arlinn Kord
>Saskia
>Atraxa

im all in for inclusion but its getting ridiculous tbqh

>>55174163
Yeah, leave the instant speed sac outlet alone, that's good thinking.

>>55174452

I can't say i've been playing this deck so often. I'm still looking to improve. I mean.. i could replace destructive flow with crucible of worlds to get a nice nonbasic hate package going.

>>55174525
Oh! So they've had so many casualties their being forced to use their societies' women. That's brutal.

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>>55174381
Bribe your opponents with cookies and selfknit sweaters.

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>>55174563

>>55174506
sure, but what happens when I dont find those cards? I have a commander thats useless

>>55174515
Exactly >>55174515

>>55174563
pirates literaly own no amount of land on the whole plane
>Ixalan
Sun Empire: pirates out REEEE
Merfolks: pirates out of the forests REEEE
>Europoor equivalent
Vampires: losers come back to DIEEEEE

in these conditions i guess anyone can rise to the top

>>55174525
Legion of dusk = spaniards?

>>55174607
meant for >>55174558

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>>55173976
I know you've got Destructive Flow in already but might as well post one of my favorite sac outlets in red.

>>55174607
Such is the plight of a people with no homeland. The Ixalan pirates need some kind of Balfour Declaration.

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tabletop sim is pretty fun for edh if you have it

>>55174588
so you'd rather have a deck full of creatures that are useless? take a look at how many good pirate cards exist before the handful of decent ones coming out in Ixalan. you're better off making a good unblockable-themed deck that really only casts the commander when those enchantments come up. the commander's effect isn't that great anyways, there are better steal effects if you're looking for that.

>>55174613
yeah so don't expect them to win the Orazca bowl since they'll be painted with 'muh genocide tendencies' and they're in the two most 'evil' colors

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>>55174515
A kicked rite is still the funniest wincon. Every Scourge does five instances of six damage if I understood the dragon right.

>>55174680
me and my m8s play it on TTS, pits pretty nice honestly

>>55174675
So when the 6 gorillion pirates die in the war they are just given an island to live on, exempt from any further acts of aggression against neighboring towel headed merfolk and treat the natives worse than they were treated during the war, what an interesting concept

>>55174680
>those house rules

Cancer

>>55174763
play on a different server

New to EDH. Can legendary PWs be commanders now?

>>55174905
NO YOU FUCKER

>>55174515
>>55174705

I killed somebody yesterday by kicking rite of replication targetting his Omnath, Locus of Rage. I've really appreciated spelltwine and rite lately.

>>55174680
>Eldrazi hate
Explain yourself

>>55174905
We'll get a word from Shilldon on 21st or 25th this month about banlist/changes so there lies your only hope

>>55174905
>Players choose a legendary creature as the "Commander" for their deck.
>Gee i wonder what they mean by "legendary creature" surely that means that my walkers can be played as commanders now that they are legendary too!

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>>55174954
>Shilldon
Anon, please. Sheldon is our god and he deserves all our respect.

>>55174551

?

Most good sac outlets are instant speed, don't see how one that costs 3 mana including colored is especially good

>>55174991
That's exactly how they get you, and then the triplets start eating you alive.

>>55174905
Can Genju of the Realm be your commander? Can Paradox Engine be your commander?

>>55175024

>Can Paradox Engine be your commander?
I wish.

>>55175014

I mean a Jund sac deck is always gonna be reasonable and I'll treat it with respect, shattergang bros is just a little disappointing since I always imagined it as a land sac deck

>>55175070
sacrifice more fetches and maybe we'll get jund lands commander or at least one that isn't 'kek, stuff dies xDDD'

>>55174991
The rest of the deck is usually token creators, cheap recurring artifacts and land destruction
>first make them eat creatures
>second make them eat artifacts
>third make them eat enchantments
>4th make them eat a pair of shriveled warty goblin cocks
You just got shattergangbanged

>>55175113

The artifact mode seems decently powerful I suppose

>>55175100
I want a Jund -1/-1 counters commander

>>55175024
>not playing Paradox engine colorless artifact ramp goodstuff with doubling cube and slate of ancestry to cast your entire deck

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free wurm

>>55175157
Wait slate of ancestry is not what i was thinking, what is called that artifact that taps and makes you draw for 8 mana?

>>55174530
>not legendary

>>55175208
It's not free baka anon

>>55175208
play==casting unless land, you still pay for that shit

>>55175231
Tower of something, it's a old thing from OG Mirrodin.

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>>55175286
Found it, thanks

>>55175311
Used it in Azusa before green got better card draw, it's a nifty thing.

>>55172979
This :(

>>55173913
Don't forget Kallia.

And don't be so quick to discount Mimeoplasm. A well-tuned self-mill deck can easily one-shot someone.

>>55173064
haha S C I E N C E!

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>>55175568
VERY fast raptor running at incredibly high speed

>>55175248
Unless >>55174449 managed to mangle the ever living fuck out out of the spelling, I don't believe I see "legendary" anywhere in that post.

>>55175660
I Need to trigger the autists altering all my dinos to cartoon birds

>>55174547
It's just a trend, it will go away as soon as this extremist inclusion fever goes away so a couple years more. Let's hope the next trend is not as bad and constricting from a lore perspective

>>55174547
Those are some mighty fine cherries you've picked, senpai.

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>>55175800
Already started

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>>55175893
Holy shit i want one

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>>55174547
>Kaya
>relevant

Now let's look at dudes that are as or more "relevant"
>Edgar
>Mairsil
>Taigam
>Mathas
>Nazahn
>Neheb 1.0 and 2.0
>Baral
>Sram
>Rishkar
>Ulrich
>Yidris
>Kynaios and Tiro
>Silas Renn
>Sidar Kondo
>Bruse Tarl
>Ravos
>Thrasios
>Dovin Baan
>Kambal
>Kefnet and Rhonas
>Temnet
>Leovold

F to M in C17 was about 35%/35% too.

>>55174449
Dude there's been over a half dozen cards spoiled already with male pirates, and we're getting a Rakdos pirate planeswalker.

>>55175208
>crack fetch with two cards in hand and then suddenly pull out a beatstick

This is cheeky as fuck. Are there any other cards that let you cast them from weird places?

>>55176042
Ravos could be a reverse trap though

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>>55176154
Not with this Soultender chest

>>55176179
A flat fit cute tomboy reverse trap

>>55174613
yeah. but these ones are fucking vampires

>>55176233
Look at his shoulder to hip ratio. He's biologically as much a female as Alesha.

>>55176109
there are a few cards you can cast from exile and a variety of things you can cast from your graveyard in different ways

i'm really hoping they bring the panglacial mechanic back some day tho.

>>55176296
These vampires are honorable and pure, they're also searching the Immortal Sun because it's a relic they lost a long time ago to reclaim it and bring immortality to the people of their continent. Also they only drink the blood of criminals.

>>55175893
nice

>>55174563
i like this art but i wish it was a bit rougher. both the ship deck and her face could use a bit more weathering. everything looks shiny and new.

>>55176424
I'd argue that the feature-less wood beside Beckett is more of an issue, but I'm sure it looks much better in card-size

>>55174563
>You will never have a badass jolly grandmother to teach you how to chug and shoot properly and embarrass you during poker night in the hold

>Guy uses banned cards in his deck
>Comments every time someone plays something that isn't a dime store rare with "ugh I hate that card"

Why do so many mtg players lack self-awareness?

>>55174680
Why do people sperg out about Eldrazi?

>>55176522
Because you don't do it to him.

>>55176522
What cards is he playing?

>>55176560
Eldrazi killed mill as an archetype. One big colorless piece of shit in your deck and their entire deck is invalidated. Legacy has been particularly pissed about it for a long time.

>>55176560
>>55176586
also annihilator is 'unfun', having 1/5 of your lib isn't one the fondest memories either from my observation