EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55236614
If it's a deck concept I really like, anywhere from $50 to $100 plus the staples I already have for the deck.

>>55236614
>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test.
$30-$50.
>How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?
$30-$50 more. This game is fun, but not worth spending huge amounts of money on.

>>55236602
Dralnu, at least in my experiments, doesn't play that much creatures so someone trying to Act you wants you to sac a lot of lands and artifacts. If you switch with that person he is the one who'll need to sac a lot of lands and artifacts.

You can always just Pact the Blasphemous Act with flashback, it's easy to pay the 3UU most of the time anyway.

>>55236614
>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test. How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?
usually the first iteration of a deck is usually around $100-$150 and if i like the concept it can end up anywhere from $200-$300. that said the upgrading process usually lasts like 4-5 months and ill grab new card(s) every pay check to through into it so its not like im dropping all of that at once

Where do you guys find people to play? At the LGS? Friends and friends of friends?

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>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test.

I already have most of the cards in my collection, but upgrading a deck can be around $10-100 depending on how much i enjoy playtesting it

>>55236694
usually at a friends place but sometimes i go to the LGS to play with randos cause im bored but its never really that fun cause the people at my LGS suck at deck building

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>>55236705
>tfw going to build an investor deck filled with gold generators and treasures

>>55236717
I get that. I have a couple friends who play, and while I enjoy playing them, they literally have 2 commanders each that they stick to and never change from. One runs Zada Token Swarm and Wort Token Sworm, the other runs Horde of Notions Tribal Aggro featuring heavy ramp and The Ur-Dragon Tribal Aggro featuring heavy ramp. But there's pretty much no community for commander at the LGS, and every player there either has terrible decks or finely-tuned cEDH, with no in-between.

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tell me about riku /edhg/ is this just a combo deck or is there an actually fun way to play him?

>>55236614
>how much do you spend
About 100-200 for the nonlands. If I don't have the lands for that color combo then add 100.

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>>55236730
have some investor tech:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-goyim-know/

>>55236749
i dont know if you have like a community board or anything at your LGS but you can always try putting something up there about edh or start a league. its weird no one plays edh there though, its a super popular format

>>55236753
Pubstomp in a low power meta
Gets removed before you get to do anything in a high power meta
Too slow to even cast in a competitive meta

>>55236614
>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test. How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?

Depends on what I'm needing to get. I'm a lot more open to spending money if I'm getting lands or something like Hero of Bladehold.

>>55236753
Like >>55236784 said he's basically in the same tier as someone like Jhoira, Meren, Nekusar, or Animar. They're big time pubstomp that aren't fast enough to race competitive tables.

>wake up to a "thanks for your order" TCGPlayer email to the tune of $200

Welp, guess I'm building that Seton deck now

>>55236779
>community board
Your LGS allows the community to contribute and advertise things? Wow. And there are people, but the community at the LGS is very small and very exclusive, with huge disparity in decks played. Modern is the most popular format here.

>>55236828
>Meren
>Animar
>not competitive
What the fuck.

>>55236866
Animar's dropped from competitive play lately.

>>55236866
No, they aren't. They're pubstomp commanders that need setup to get rolling. Meren's ability is too slow to be relevant in cEDH and Animar isn't as good as he once was. He's a decent creature combo commander, but he takes too much setup compared to others. They're kings of casual, but low-tier in cEDH.

>>55236862
consider finding a new LGS then

>>55236871
>>55236877
What made Animar drop in power?

>>55236906
It's not that he dropped in power, just that cEDH is too fast for him now. Everything else is a step up.

>>55236886
There are two others in town, and neither have EDH. There's another one half an hour away, but it's complete cancer. Here's their EDH rulelist:
>If you are caught running a banned card, aside from special exceptions (long-time players at the store), you will be kicked out
>All cards on Sheldon's banlist are banned
>All cards on WotC's banlist are banned
>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)
>If one of the long-time players doesn't like your commander, you're out
>If one of the long-time players doesn't like the way your deck plays, you're out
>If one of the long-time players doesn't immediately hit it off with you, you're out, because, and I quote, "If we don't like you, you're an asshole"

>>55236614
I have spent anywhere from 0 dollars to 100 dollars on initial deck creation and upgrades.

>>55236877
What would you consider top-tier commanders? I played against my friend's Animar deck with my Alesha stax deck and I got consistently thrashed

>>55236925
>banned card anon

holy shit dude fuck off

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Anything dinothemed to included in my upcoming memedeck? Things like Lurking Predators, it just needs to look or sound dinosaur/jurassic park related. I am a huge Vorthos, so powerlevel is not really important.

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>>55236925
Jesus Christ.

>>55236956
I think you have me confused for someone else

>>55236925
>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)

Alright, time to set up some bots to post a bunch of ridiculously inflated listings.

>>55236914
Ah, since they talked about dropping from competitive and not being as good as he used to be I thought it meant that something like a rule change had blocked its best combo
Thanks

Also, any casual tip about him? I'm pretty interested in building it as my first not-precon-based deck

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>>55236959
Cards with the word Hunger or Stampede probably are your best bet.

>>55236925
Jesus

>>55236983
Ancestral Statue = infinite +1/+1 counters

>>55236985
>That flavor text
Kek

>>55236952
It's less about the commander and more about the deck they lead in some cases.
Jeleva Storm (now Kess, but Jeleva still works)
Arcum, though he's lost some use
Thrasios + whatever (usually Tymna)
Derevi stax
Teferi stax
Yisan (but he's on the lower end of cEDH)
Tazri Foodchain (and Prossh to a much lesser extent)
Doomsday Zur (which pretty much just uses Zur for his colors)

There are probably a couple I'm forgetting, but the important thing is that most cEDH decks want to either never need the commander and use a strong deck archetype like Doomsday or Storm or only use their commander as a replaceable combo piece. Animar is strong, but he's not quite cEDH worthy on his own. They generally run a low number of creatures there.

>>55236925
Oh fuck this is up there with the Police State LGS, at least you're not trying to defend it

>>55237008
Why would I try to defend cancer?

>>55237013
Were you here for Police State anon? He was convinced that his fucked up LGS's rules were justified, including a rule where you couldn't use any cards in your deck that you didn't buy from the store.

>>55236959
Make sure to get some of the creatures likely to get errata'd early to avoid price spikes. Brooding Saurian is something that might get errata'd that is very cheap now but is scarce enough it could jump significantly, for example.

>>55237020
wat

>>55237013
Police State anon had Stockholm syndrome and was defending his store's absolutely insane rules

>>55237020
I think I vaguely recall something like that. That sounds so stupid.

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>>55236959

>>55237033
Does anyone have the screencaps to show this poor anon who missed out?

>>55237032
Yeah, already ordered most of the creatures who are probably going to erratat, I really hope Regal Behemoth is going to be one of them.

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>>55236925

>>55237057
This must be bait

>>55237056
>Regal Behemoth

Yeah, I was suspicious of that one too. It'd be good for them to errata it just for the sake of giving Dinos a fun big mana card.

>>55237057
I've seen stuff like this before.

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>>55236959
>>55236985
I started doing this but your best bet is probably magiccards.info and a thesaurus. Too many cards. Stuff like Tremor, Fang, claw, hunger, savage, wild, crush, trample, shred, bite, etc.

>>55237057
Jesus that's cancer

>>55237057
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking of that one.

>Guy who's been playing since Kaldesh starts playing EDH
>gets assmad when I play a Birds of Paradise Turn 1 and a Cultivate Turn 2
>"It's not fair that anon has five mana on turn 3!"

I've noticed lately that a lot of nu-players hate ramp. What's up with that?

>>55237086
Will try it, thanks!

>>55237118
They haven't printed lots of crazy ramp and ramp is incredibly powerful in this format.

I sure as shit hate people ramping out Omniscience.

>>55237118
New sets have very little ramp, and it's mostly 2-drop mana dorks.

>>55236614
>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test. How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?
0
I only use cards I have laying around unless I'm building a precon
I play a deck for 2 or 3 weeks before deciding to put some money into it and if I do its probably 10 or so dollars including unifying the basic lands, making sure I have decent ramp and draw etc.

>>55236753
not particularly good at combo
he is particularly fun
but not particularly easy to keep on the field

>>55237118
The real Fast ramp is also from an era with more prevalent removal, including land destruction. The more sacred they've made lands, the more they've had to limit access to them.

You're doing things that the tools to stop aren't being printed anymore, so of course it looks unfair from their perspective.

>>55236828
>i have no idea what the fuck im talking about: the post

Does Soul Conduit and Tainted Remedy work like I think it would and kill people if I have at least double someones life and I swap life totals?

>>55237143
>not particularly easy to keep on the field
you mean like every commander? my play group doesnt usually let commanders sit on the fields for more than a turn

Any interesting new planeswalker tech based on the new legendary erratta?

>>55237020
>including a rule where you couldn't use any cards in your deck that you didn't buy from the store.

holy shit i remember this, those rules were beyond retarded

>>55237167
6/1/2011: When the life totals are exchanged, each player gains or loses the amount of life necessary to equal the other player’s previous life total. For example, if Player A has 5 life and Player B has 3 life before the exchange, Player A will lose 2 life and Player B will gain 2 life. Replacement effects may modify these gains and losses, and triggered abilities may trigger on them.

Mmm.

>>55237041
>>55237033
Here is the original thread, it's something special

http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48993430/

>>55236959
I really hope they make a playmat with this art

>>55237189
That's good news, I've got a janky deck I want to throw together and Tainted Remedy is looking really good in it, especially with things like Beacon of Immortality and life total swapping

>>55237190
Were they in Auschwitz?

>Yawgmoth's Will is around $60 now
>TrollAndToad had a lightly played one for $25
>Take a risk on it
>It's in great shape with very little border wear

Sure is nice saving $35

>>55237153
Sounds like you're the one who has no idea. All of those commanders are ones who function well at casual tables and are generally called unfair by those who don't know any better. Animar is making fatties cost lost, Nekusar tricks people with bad threat perception by offering car advantage, Jhoira generally suspends Eldrazi and MLD, and Meren is just goodstuff and value that is easily disrupted. None of those commanders perfrom well in cEDH and there's a reason for that.

>>55237231
Dachau

>>55237173
You missed out. Everything that has new interactions with Legendary Planeswalkers now costs four or five times as much because we've "known" about the errata for like a month. Check the price spikes on Sisay, Reki, Untaidake, and even humble Honor-Worn Shaku.

>>55236925
>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)
Report them to wotc.

Also
>a STORE bans people from SPENDING TOO MUCH MONEY
Examples like this make me feel good about the fact that something like 90% of hobby stores close within 2 years of opening. They're just like restraunts.

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Any advice for my Chandra.dec? It is jank, so I'd prefer ideas for individual cards and additions instead of just "scrap the deck". I've actually won games with it in my meta, so it isn't too far off from the end goal.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/chandra-09032017/

I'm thinking of cutting Spawn of Thraxes since I added the desert package for Scavenger grounds.

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>>55236925
>>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)

Holy fucking shit what babies

>>55237239
Grats, man. I should look for more played staples. Honestly, anything that is sleeve playable is fine for me.

>>55237249
>Jhoira generally suspends Eldrazi and MLD

>Not playing Jhoira as drawgo, and suspending your low-costing value sorceries/creatures/mana rocks on turns where you don't have to spend all your mana on disruption/restocking your hand

>>55236614
It's never the same amount, but I'm sure the deck will exist after I buy the matching shields.

It's Commandeer worth running in budget Inalla Combo? How often free "counterspells" save your ass?

>>55237255
How would I report them, and for what?
Also, they've been open for 3 years.

>>55237282
I play her as artifact funstuff and strip out most of my deck for a big Purphoros + Myr Incubator win.

>>55237020
How could you prove it? The owner tracks what everyone opens in packs?

>>55237300
That sounds good too. I'm just a sucker for some good-old fashioned "Untap, upkeep, draw, land for turn, pass" control.

>>55237276
Thanks. Yeah even a Moderately Played one on TCGPlayer is like $38. Does no one use TrollandToad anymore? I thought it was odd a slightly played Yawgmoth's Will was sitting at $25 so that's why I was worried.

>>55237268
What I'm curious about is what's the $7 card someone loved too much or the $8 card that got someone so salty that got them to set that price. I mean there has to be a reason it's not like $5 or $10.

>>55237312
Yeah, I actually think that's what they did. They would keep a list of what everyone owns from that store. You basically had to register an account with them.

>>55237173
Yeah, play a planeswalker as your general.

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>>55236925
>>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)

So people who buy the Vampire Precon can't use it cause of Teferi's Protection. The store owner needs to get fucked.

>thank you for buying my products
>oh yeah if you use it you get kicked out

>>55237300
I don't get why Purph was so fucking pushed. Multiplayer MTG is clearly a concern, but Purph feels like a fucking Planeswalker ult in terms of the inevitability of losing.

I get there is removal for him, but you must admit, it is tough when he's an indestructible enchantment. Perilous Vault sucks. And most colors don't have much better.

>>55237350
Same with Wizard Precon (Kess) and Dragon Precon (Ramos). But given what little I saw of the community before I left that place, they'd call running an unmodified precon "too uncreative to play" or something.

>>55237347
I get the feeling this is just shitposting at this point, but just to clarify in case it isn't: No. You still can't play any Planeswalkers other than the C14 quintet as commanders.

>>55237170
>you mean like every commander?
no i mean in a specific way only a 2/2 for 5 with no inherent protection can be

>>55237249
meren and animar are still easily competitive, saying otherwise is just being ignorant of the meta

>>55237239
Someone must have done a buyout on it. The card is only played in EDH and Vintage but it nearly doubled in price over the summer. The reserved list cards are in a serious situation this year.

But Intuition if you'll ever use it, anons. That card is totally underpriced.

>>55237407
Meren is an easily disreputable value machine. Animar isn't fast enough for cEDH.

>>55237347

While I figure that's happening at some point, it hasn't yet.

>>55237448
>Meren is an easily disreputable value machine
So is Kess.

>>55237318
I think they caught a lot of flak a while back for being shitty about cancelling orders when prices spike

knew I should have bought a YawgWill when it was cheaper

>>55237444
I wanted one for Mairsil, but thirty bucks feels like a lot for a card that doesn't really see play.

>>55237448
Animar still gets going turn 2-4 just like any other deck including doomsday and foodchain
Meren is the premier midrange deck outside of tasigur control not to mention the hulk sac decks that have meren at the helm for a backup plan

My first deck was Marath, and my second deck mono-black Sidisi and now I'm wanting to do mono-blue so I have all the colors represented in EDH decks but I'm not sure if I want Teferi or Arcum.

I like Teferi since he's an old character but also he's a Planeswalker and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

>>55237190
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48993430/#48995552
Jesus lord almighty.

>>55237318
T&T has a habit of misgrading cards and "losing" orders. Hulk spiked up to $30 and you ordered it at $7? Sorry, we missed that, feel free to reorder at $30 :^)

>>55237511
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/48993430/#48995552
All glory to DEAR LEADERS Friendliest Localest Gaminest Store. Please report for your mandatory MOTIVATIONAL DECK SCAN to ensure no UNAUTHORISED CARDS are presnt in the store, followed by the updating of your DECK LIST TATTOO.

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>>55237534

Does anyone have any suggestions for instants to include in a sunforger package in mardu?

>>55237294
Honestly, a better thing to do would be to screenshot or photograph this rule then post it to leddot. Yesterday there was a big post there about a store that would not give Fatal Push promos to netdecks or any decks that had Torrential Gearhulk in them and it created an uproar. If you post your store's rules you can get them to brigade the store on facebook, google maps, etc with bad reviews while bringing it to wotc's attention. (wotc follows the leddot for mtg)

>>55237563
>Yesterday there was a big post there about a store that would not give Fatal Push promos to netdecks or any decks that had Torrential Gearhulk in them

Why do people get so assmad about netdecking? How do you prove the person didn't just make it themselves with the cards they had because they came to the same conclusion as whoever made the deck?

>>55237549
Utter End, Anguished Unmaking, Boros and Rakdos Charms, STP, Wear and Tear, Crackling Doom.

>>55237318
Troll and Toad has had a reputation as a shit store for at least 7 years so I never bought from them. I remember your post a few days ago and worried about your order desu. Glad but surprised it worked so well for you.

>>55237577
>needing proof
Obviously they're a netdecker because you don't like them, anon.

>>55237577
Yeah I've been accused of that before. Meren is so simple that 95% of the deck I came up with was the same as edhrec. Some commanders are just easy like that

>>55237563
That's the thing - they don't have their rules in writing. Instead, the owner will personally go through them with every new person who walks in the door.

>>55237352
Based on the other gods, he clearly should have dealt 1 damage rather than 2. And he still would have been very good and probably the best god.

>>55237444
it got unrestricted
thus buyout panic

>>55237463
If someone wants to, they could make it over 60 in a day. Intuition is a sweet fun card and I recommend it even at $30. You can get a played one for closer to $20.

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Is it worth play /edhg/?

So I have a funny story related to the commander precons.
There's this guy at my college who isn't very bright. A common thing he likes to do is he will guy something (like let's say a Steelers hat from lids (we're in the Pittsburgh area too)) and he will say something like "this is actually a really rare hat that there's like 20 of in the world and they go for several hundred dollars" when it's something that a ton of people have, is easily available, and fairly cheap.
So the story is we were all at the mtg club on campus and he mentions he wants to build 8rack for modern. I mention that I used to play it and I have everything he needs and would be willing to trade or sell him everything except for my liliana's and thoughtseize. So basically hes getting the lands, inquisition, ensnaring bridge, etc. so abiut $300 worth of cards. Later on in the evening the conversation goes to the new edh precons. someone says that teferi's protection is worth a good bit of money now and will probably go up more if it's not reprinted. Matt apparently has the vampire precon and goes up to me and says "Hey I have the sealed vampire precon it's going for about $100 already and it's only going to go up, I'm willing to trade you it for your 8rack deck". I then respond with "dude I preordered the precons and i got all 4 for little over $100 plus they just came out and the wal mart across the street has a bunch for about $35 and i wouldn't pay more than that for a deck I already have ". He then responds with "Hey I'm offering you a good deal , I should really be asking for the lilianas too since mist if the commander decks end up skyrocketing and being worth hundreds of dollars "

>tldr
guy at school tried to trade me the vampire precon for a $700 modern deck and tried to say it was a generous offer from him

>>55237444
>But Intuition if you'll ever use it, anons. That card is totally underpriced.

Another card to buy is Academy Rector. An absolute staple in any deck with major enchantments.

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>>55237643
part 2

>>55237652
If your metagame doesn't have a lot of artifact removal I could see a window where you'd be able to flip it but otherwise idk

>>55237643
Untransformed: Meh
Transformed: Pls no

That you have to transform it is a shame, its just a neat wall in limited

>>55237607
Use a hidden camera and become internet famous and a meme.

>>55237643
>>55237652
worth playing?
maybe
Going to be played for fun
absolutly
I already play looter scooter in a few decks
this seems not as good yet better at the same time

>>55237668
I've already walked in once; they might recognize me. I'll see if I can get one of my friends to do it.

>>55237590
>Troll and Toad has had a reputation as a shit store for at least 7 years so I never bought from them.

Are they okay with playmats and shit? They've got a Grand Prix mat I want that I can't find on TCGPlayer

>>55237652
I like it a lot.

Depala is getting some fun carddraw.

>>55237628
That's Bargain though and there was a retarded price spike but it still only costs about $12. Bargain was a safe unrestrction because no one plays it and Griselbrand is easier to cheat into play and better.

>>55237677
Dude I'd do it if I lived somewhere nearby. Fuck that store.

>>55237617
God Tier List

Divine Tier
Purphoros

Great Tier
Kruphix
Erebos

Good Tier
Nylea
Thassa
Keranos
Xenagos

Gimmick Tier
Ephara
Phenax
Karametra
Athreos

Meh Tier
Heliod
Mogis
Iroas

Bad
Pharika

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>>55237652
allow me to show you the most expensive mono green mindslaver table lock...

>>55237643
>>55237652
Love the art. As for the card... It'll be played in Boros at the very least, where CA and ramp are both slim but creature power is plentiful True, its draw is about as efficient as jayemdae tome, but I wouldn't underestimate the long game value of foothold's 6-cost ability.

>>55237444
>The card is only played in EDH and Vintage but it nearly doubled in price over the summer.

EDH staples are starting to get prayed upon.

Recently an Invocation Austere Command went from $23ish to $50+ in less than a week. I need to grab an entomb before someone tries the same thing although I think entomb is safe for now since it can be used in less decks than Austere Command.

Next time we get Lottery cards I'm gonna be buying any and all EDH staples that're around $20

>>55236753
As some people have already said, he's a huge tempo loss when you cast him, because people will not let him live a whole turn cycle. A way to circumvent that is to use Vedalken Orrery style effects, so when your turn begins, you can use him to his full potential and make a big, impactful play.

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>>55237722
you are going to want to untap that land more than once per turn

>>55237721
Hazoret & Kefnet belong in Gimmick
Oketra is Meh since she's pretty much just the second coming of Heliod.
Bontu and Rhonas are full Bad.
Scorpion is Good
Scarab is Great.
Locust joins Purph in Divine.

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>>55237721
>The four gods I like are the Gimmick Tier

>>55237721
>only competitive god is in gimmick tier
>athreos is better than iroas
>nylea
>good

>>55237752
Argothian Elder+Maze of Ith+Conqueror's Foothold draws your deck and generates infinite anus mana

>>55237693
Probably. They have been in business for a long time so they don't screw every customer but their customer service isn't great and if that playmat becomes a collectors item the day after you order (it probably won't) then they likely would cancel the order and refund you.

I'll vouch for Card Titan, Card Chaos, and SCG, those guys honor their prices and fulfill virtually all orders even if the card triples in price between the time you buy and they ship. TnT just aren't as nice guys.

>>55237814
>Purphoros and Erebos
>not competitive

>>55237814
Nylea's good in the 99. One of the better mass trample enablers and she's a mana sink.

>>55237831
purph isnt
nobody plays erebos except one guy on reddit and even he recognizes its not truly competitive

>>55237821
SCG needs to fix their prices. They're higher for no fucking reason, across the board.

>>55237850
idk why I assumed these as commanders not taking into consideration in the 99 lol

>>55237721
Heliod isn't that bad. It sucks that he provides vigilance in a block that was based on untapping your creatures though.

>>55237860
Except in any deck that spawns infinite tokens as a win con like Locust.

>>55237867
That's their schtick though. Massive prices but the best inventory and customer service. I don't shop there.

>>55237652
>11 mana and 6 lost power to bring back a card to your hand

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>>55237905
It will always do something useful meanwhile. Worst case, it gives mana.

>>55237923
I'm liking all these "turn into lands" cards. But I still haven't seen the creature that turns into a land.

>>55237923
I am liking every single one of these so far. This is an incredibly fair Maze without any of the wonkiness of the old one.

>>55237898
>the best inventory
Bullshit. They've been out of bullshit jank commons more often than not

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>>55237923
Remember when Pic Related was an EDH staple? I have a feeling the new version is going to get some play.

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>>55237190
This reminds me of the old LGS in my town that's about to close down because everyone migrated to the new store after the new store's owner had an argument with the old store's owner.

>wouldn't allow players to trade cards in his store
>One night at a pre-lease a girl who was new to magic pulled the special Ugin and he grabbed it out of her hand and took it behind his desk and put it in a sleeve and only gave it back after everyone else was about to beat his face in

>>55237814
It's gimmick tier. Apostles is a gimmick. Combat: the Tappening isn't.

>>55237814
>>only competitive god is in gimmick tier
>purphuros
>not competitive

He fits into a specific niche of competitive deck but he's still competitive the same way Karn Liberated is competitive in Modern.

>>55237994
What the fuck

Was he on the fucking spectrum? Stealing right out of the hands of your customers is generally not the best business practice

>>55238017
The best thing is that story has SPREAD across the entire state. When I tell people who live several hours away where I'm from they know the story. Dude's reputation is ruined.

>>55236831
Drunk Obliterator anon?
I want to believe

How linear is Yisan? I love cheating shit onto the field but I don't want to follow the same lines of play every game, I'd rather build him as a toolbox commander who can grab stuff as needed

>>55237898
One of my local stores uses SCG to determine their prices. i only but cards from them when i need them right awa, or if there is a spike that hasn't been adjusted for on SCG but it sucks that if I want to buy cards locally at a decent price I have to go to a small neighboring town.

>>55238103
One of my LGS does this too. I abuse it because SCG doesn't update prices on some rare spicy tech cards a lot of the time.

>>55238084
>I'd rather build him as a toolbox commander who can grab stuff as needed
That's how everyone wants to build him. Turns out that shitting your deck onto the field and winning with Magus of the Rhythm or Hoof Daddy is what you need 99% of the time.

Is there anyway to abuse the Homonculus token generators?

Also what commanders for BUG Homonculus matters tribal?

>>55238103
There's a good store out of town but man their prices suck. They'll charge NM prices for Moderately Played cards. Like I saw Boseiju there and when I asked them how much they said $16 when that's how much a NM is on TCGPlayer.

>>55238124
I've abused it for getting cards for ramunap red before the prices spiked on it, but the store only Really carries standard cards, the handful of stuff they keep for other formats is lands and shit like blood moon that has a very stable price

>>55237947
This is way more wonky than a simple land with 1 ability

>>55237239
>order german excellent demonic tutor (the one with the faust quote) on mcm
>pay 25€
>arrives and looks near mint

pretty nice actually.

>>55237454
And most Storm decks won't cast her. She's there for the colors and some utility.

>>55238055
>>55238140
>Magus of the Rhythm
Is that the Shaman from DTK?

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Trying to come up with filenames for /edhg/ but can't think of anything besides this

>>55238084
Tutor generals are by their very nature boring as fuck.

>>55238241
>Sidisi
>boring

Apologize to my undead snake waifu immediately anon

>>55238222
Yeah, it's Shaman of the Forgotten Ways.

>>55238230
Edit it so there's a wrath, cyclonic, meteor etc or something similar in the background

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straight into edgar it goes.

>>55238084
Possibly the most linear general in the game. It's hardwired into his design and even Zur is more open-ended.

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Why is Azusa 50$? Is there a legacy or modern deck I'm missing? I remember getting her ages ago for like 4$~

>>55238301
played in g/w collected company or something.

>>55238103
The fair price for a card is 2/3 SCG. It's a better metric than TCG because SCG has very consistent prices and their method seems to be charging 150% of ebay/cash value for every card.

Wish there was a deck in MtG that played like Gold Paladins in Cardfight Vanguard. Essentially, a bunch of cheap creatures with mini CoCos built in to some of them.

>>55238171
I meant the untap itself, but fair enough.

>>55238285
Jesus Christ, I hallucinated and saw the 2 as a 4 for a second, at 4 CMC he's pretty cool.

>>55238301
Printed in a single not-so-popular set, and used in GW, Bant, and Abzan decks.

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>"Wild Growth Elemental"
>1G
>Creature - Elemental
>Whenever a creature you control explodes, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature and gain 3 life.

>>55238285
Dull!

>>55238301
Yeah she is played in Modern. That seems to be the explanation for most Modern legal expensive cards.

>>55238285
Hellrider Minus will still probably see play.

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>>55238318
>Printed in a single not-so-popular set
>not-so-popular set
>not-so-popular
>we will never return to Kamigawa

>>55238324
>explodes

>>55238318
>>55238308
>>55238339
Looking up lists and she's a one-of at most in all of them, Jesus Christ WotC, reprint Kamigawa stuff outside of modern masters and similar junk or increase the print run at least. Not selling mine so I don't care if her price drops.

>>55238324
>whenever a creature you control explodes

are we getting a middle east themed set?

>>55238285
Fucking awesome in Edgar. And here I was, thinking I needed more vampires in 4 cmc.

>play an Invocation Masterpiece
>entire table gets into a discussion about how much of shitty they are
I like them and will continue to run them.
Plz stop using removal on cards you consider ugly just because you don't want to look at them.

>>55238311
Rebels?

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I have a treefolk tribal but I was wondering if there was anything else you could do with sapling besides sensei's divining top.

>>55238350
He's obviously much better than Hellrider in a vamp tribal.

>>55238447
Haunted Crossroads. Lurking Predators.

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>>55238447
Assault Formation?

>>55238426
Oh man your group too? We have one autismo who'll ruin games because he HATES Expeditions/Masterpieces/Invocations

He will use every counter, kill spell, and removal card he can to rid the game of them and even exile them from the game if he can. He'll completely ignore all other threats because he's laser focused on them.

Whenever my Austere Command resolved I fully enjoy the look of autismal rage in his eyes.

>>55238442
Rebels are more like the Royal Paladins - full access to the deck for tutoring, but more restrictions on what they can tutor. Specifically, they're like Rebels with decent lords and a couple generic ETB removal effects.

>>55238447
Taking advantage of your tribe's high toughness, I would include cards like Toxic Deluge and Black Sun's Zenith.

>>55238476
the masterpieces orange bothers me but not enough to get angry about it. some of the masterpiece/invocation art is pretty sweet actually, scarab god looks way better than he does normally for example.

>>55236925
>All cards whose TCGPlayer median value is greater than $7.99 USD at the moment you play them are banned (they're proud of kicking people out over this one)
Good lord this one sounds like the ultimate nightmare of autistic nitpicking. Considering how unstable the market is for some cards you'd have to double check your entire decklist before playing.

>>55238522
>the masterpieces orange

You mean the Kaladesh ones? I think those are the best personally.

I like Invocations since I studied ancient Egypt a lot but some of the picks were great like Entomb while others were

>Aven Mindcensor

What in the fuck is either Egyptian or "the gods magic" about that?

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>>55238301
Small print run + time.
Good chance that she could be seen as Iconic though.

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>>55238465
Would Grim Flayer go well with that? Except his trigger would resolve after Sapling's.

>>55238554
yeah, they used a bit too much orange in the artworks but that's just my opinion.

I guess it's a nod towards horus or something?

>>55238361
More important than people liking or disliking it is people just not buying any of it. There are just fewer Azusas in existence since less of the set was printed.

>>55238361
>we'll never get appropriately costed samurai with a modified bushido
>we'll never get a proper O-Kagachi or Michiko after ascending to godhood
>we'll never get more of the rich flavor of Kamigawa
>all we'll ever see from now on are theme park versions of interesting cultures

>>55236614
Thread Question

most my decks i spend around 100-150, i have most the cards already tho

all my decks are worth around 400-500 except 2 budget decks ~100 and my 3 pet decks +4k

ive been playing since forever and never sold out of the game, but people always assume im a tryhard but i just wanna use the old cards i grew up playing with. i just want to relive the days of playing with my brother

>>55237889
at that rate you may as well use impact tremors

>>55238693
>relieve the days of playing with my brother
Ah, how that reminds me off thise games where he'd make me sit and watch him masturbate with his manaless ichorid legacy deck while I dropped a land every turn.

>>55238676
We cant go back to Kamigawa, because there would be only asian people, and that is not diverse enough for wizards set rules atm.

>>55238554
>What in the fuck is either Egyptian or "the gods magic" about that?

That was exactly the issue that brought things to a head with Masterpieces. they didn't have a good enough theme for Amonkhet and the players quickly noticed. It's why they scuttled Masterpieces in Ixalan and repurposed the card frame for the transform lands instead.

Masterpieces aren't dead, but they've said they're not going to do them unless they have a compelling theme anymore. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see, Masterpiece Series: Planeswalkers, Masterpiece Series: Legends, or some combination thereof on Dominaria.

>>55238676
>Not black enough
>Too Japanese (a lot of Magic players that I've met hate everything Japanese, and believe that Kamigawa was the biggest mistake WotC ever made)
>Conflict doesn't have a singular "good" side and a singular "bad" side
>Mechanics and tribes are "parasitic"

>>55238361
We'll never return to Kamigawa because Japan is despised by "certain" types of people. I don't want to say "liberals" or "sjws" but you get the idea.

>>55238698
Or you know both since having two cards that do similar abilities in an EDH deck is objectively better than one.

Purph isn't on the same tier as Erebos who can fit into any black deck that needs draw and can keep lifegainfags from gaining too much but he has his place in infinite combos.

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>>55238730
>Masterpiece Series: Planeswalker
As if the Zendikar lands didn't cause enough of a pack frenzy

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>>55238787

>>55238787
>>55238791
Didnt meant to reply

>>55238787
That's good though. If people buy the everloving shit out of Dominaria trying to get golden ticket SUPER KARN, then every constructed playable card gets that much cheaper. It's part of why the OtG Eldrazi are still relatively reasonable prices for how much they're played.

>>55238791
Funny, useless, but funny.

>>55238800
>Responding to >>55238787 with a card named "Overflowing Insight"

It kind of makes a certain sort of sense, even if accidentally.

>>55238730
Masterpiece Legends would be kinda tight

>>55238791
people will play this in kruphix
people will eventually take this out of kruphix

>>55238730
>Masterpiece Series: Planeswalkers
>Masterpiece Karn Liberated

Anon stop my dick can only get so hard

>>55238730
>Masterpiece Series: Mistakes
>Reprints of Power Nine, Force of Will, Rishadan Port, Gaea's Cradle, Serra's Sanctum, Mishra's Workshop, Tolarian Academy, and Lightning Bolt

>>55238846
>make the Boros guy draw 7 cards
>he becomes Archenemy

>>55238738
People are so terrified of being called weebs or they hate the stereotypes that come with them and just shut out anything Japanese. Nevermind that Kamigawa had some of the best researched lore and creative themes in Magic history.

>>55238865
>mistakes
Cradle is the only one that's proper there.
The rest were good cards but moxes and lotuses weren't worth nearly as much back then when all you had to cast with them were vanilla creatures and gimmicky shit.

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>>55238871
bring it on

>>55238885
The point is that WotC sees them as mistakes.

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>>55238676
I'll miss the trippy as fuck spirits.

>>55238878
>People are so terrified of being called weebs or they hate the stereotypes that come with them and just shut out anything Japanese.

Only with people who are like 25+

Teens and 18-20s these days are all about the animes

>>55238820
7 mana for 7 cards is above curve but yeah, there's way better ways to get cards.

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>>55238902
>tfw Ainu kamui are portrayed in a more abstract and "eldritch" way than the Lovecraft knockoffs

>>55238833
The three planes with a robust enough cast of Legends to support it are Dominaria, Ravnica, and Kamigawa.

Kamigawa is dead in the water for obvious reasons.

Dominaria has a valid excuse for featuring the Planeswalker series of being the center of the multiverse and the plane with the greatest amount of planeswalker traffic, so it might be squandering it to pass and do legends instead. The second issue is that a lot of Dominaria legends would be nostalgic more than anything. A new player opening a Masterpiece Kamahl isn't going to be particularly excited the same way as they'd be with even a Masterpiece Domri Rade.

Ravnica has a huge number of legends frequently used as commanders, and the actual cards representing those legends are a lot stronger than many of the legends from Dominaria, so I feel like it's the set most likely to feature a Legends series.

>>55238849
>Playing with Karn
pleas kys

>>55238902
Same, I actually really love the kawigama block. Really neat artwork. Splice was a neat idea too, but I can't blame them for not bringing it back. Too much B's around it.

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>>55238940
I liked the eldrazi but yeah, they weren't eldritch at all.

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>>55238963
I use him in Modern sperg

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>>55238963

>>55238963
>Not having a colorless deck

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>>55238981
A good chunk of the spirits were pretty fucking Dali in style.

>>55238903
A lot of the young'uns who say they like anime only like the few the have heavy exposure in the west, like AoT. They won't go any deeper. Besides, Kamigawa was the exact opposite of anime Japan. It gets a bad rep just by being associated with Japan from the anti-weebs and the weebs don't like it because it's not anime Japan with anime pop culture everywhere.

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Anybody think a control group slug Mairsil is too much for one deck?

>>55238986
That's what I was referring to

>>55239019
Oh god, imagine going back to Kamigawa and Wizards trying to appeal to the animu crowd. At least giant tribal would get support, right? RIGHT?

>>55238791
Better U/G commander next set?

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>>55239005
You are like a little representational babby. Watch this.

>>55238977
If only Kamigawa hadn't come after Mirrodin. Splice could've been good and worked as originally intended, cards wouldn't have been overcosted, and they wouldn't have played it as safe with the new mechanics.

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Is pretty good looking. Love Jim Nelson's art. Is pretty good.

>>55239058
Never realized each Myojin was depicted on the shrines

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>>55239035
big

>>55239019
>A lot of the young'uns who say they like anime only like the few the have heavy exposure in the west, like AoT.

I more mean that older generations get pissy either because

A. Anime "ruined" cartoons in the west because companies started getting lazy and instead of funding original animation in America they'd just bring over anime and hope they get the next Pokemon or DBZ. There were also shows like Teen Titans that tried to crash in on the anime craze which was despised at the time. This lead to neckbeards holding a deeply held grudge that many of them hold today. Hell the guy who made Ren and Stimpy is/was ultra buttmad about anime accusing it of only existing to sell toys to kids while completely ignoring 80s cartoons

B. They're just racist and or patriotic to a fault where they can't stand the idea of something not from America being popular in America.

>>55239053
Disappointed that the Nephilim and the Cult of Yore were completely dropped by RtR.

>captcha: stop coventry

>>55239035
I both do and don't want to see Kamigawa again. I'd be nice if they did it right this time by not gimping everything, but they'll probably go with animu Japan if they did. If they want to do animu Japan, they should just do a new plane based on it.

>>55237001
>Derevi stax

Yeah no buddy

>>55239068
If Mirran's all have metal bikini's then what does a female mother produce to feed their young?

>>55239067
Neat right? Also weird question, how does one become an artist for mtg? I'm not on that level yet, but I'd like to get there one day.

>>55239078
>tfw like old American cartoons and anime
Why can't everyone just get along?

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>>55239053
>>55239058
>yfw Wayne Barlowe will never make mtg art

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>>55239120
Yes, feed my dino-addiction

>>55239089
Believe it or not, a Derevi stax shell, while on the lower end of cEDH, can be very effective at slowing down combo decks. It's at about the same level of competitiveness as Yisan.

>>55237170
There's plenty of commanders where you don't really mind them getting removed, like Gonti, Maelstrom Wanderer, Child of Alara etc.

>>55239083
The problem is that the Nephilim had nothing to do with Ravnica as the City Plane, the Guilds, or the story. They blew their load printing them early where they weren't needed and failed to integrate them with the setting. In a better world, they'd have held onto them until there was a world where they could be properly focused on.

>>55239131
>>55239120
Didnt want to reply

>>55239099
The nipples poke straight through when needed. They're like little faucets.

>>55239049
I hope so

Hopefully he isn't sultai or some junk

>>55239120
Beyond amazing. Thanks for sharing friend.

>>55239103
Send an email to [email protected], including:

Your best, most appropriate 3-5 pieces of artwork as low-resolution jpeg attachments.
Your name and contact information
A link to your portfolio, if available

>Demonic Tutor was removed from the Reserve List in the early 2000s
>Wasn't reprinted in anything for years

Makes me wonder why they even bothered.

>>55239035
>>55239056
>Jacetice League reunites for the first time after their respective individual post-Devastation blocks
>Meet on Kamigawa because some major source of mana was drawing them in
>The Konda family quickly allies with them, and gives them a compliment of Samurai and Moonfolk allies
>No real conflict in the first set, everything setting up to look full anime, set 1 is a mash of Planeswalker "tribal" support and overcosted cards with underwhelming old mechanics
>Second set comes, some of the old artists return to "guest-design" some art
>Still no discernable conflict, but the backgrounds for some of the cards that aren't directly supporting the Jacetice League are getting a little abstract
>Splice returns, along with some support for old Arcane cards
>Snake tribal, Moonfolk tribal, Fox tribal, Rat tribal, and Ogre tribal all get good support
>Sweep for non-lands
>Bushido and Ninjutsu return with more generic names; Bushido is buffed
>Third set entirely done by old artists
>The whole thing was a trap
>Jacetice League gets attacked by O-Kagachi
>He learned about the Jacevengers from Tamiyo
>The two realized that he could regain his full divinity by consuming a Spark
>Tells the Kondas that he'll forgive the whole Kami War ordeal if this could happen
>O-Kagachi eats the Jacetice League, leaving maybe one or two alive
>All of the Kamigawa mechanics return, fixed
>All the classic Legendary Kami show up, with reduced costs for those that need it
>Multiple Kami-based Spirit Lords
>Conflict is Animu Kamigawa vs. Traditional Kamigawa
>Traditional Kamigawa btfo Animu
>Plot returns to being about individual planes that happen to have planeswalkers passing by

>>55239250
Just got printed in Duel Deck Anthology.

>>55239250
It got taken out as part of a big sweep rather than them specifically deciding they wanted it off the list.

>>55239148
Why not have it as this?

>Nephilim are the Old Gods - beings of "negative mana" (represented by the four colors) who fed on primitive Ravnica and its mana-rich leylines
>World was pretty much split into two, the Cult of Yore, mortal servants of these gods, and the Ravnicans, who hid in their small town and hoped to evade the Nephilim
>The mortals, in an act of rebellion, called to the mightiest beings they could
>They would become the Paruns
>Shaping the strongest leylines into a pentagram seal, each Parun took position at a nexus of two - where mana that they were in tune with resonated
>Slowly, they formed a barrier and grew the city
>Cults formed around these Paruns, worshipping them as gods
>Eventually, the Parun-Cults started to fight, as zealots with conflicting beliefs do
>This led to an imbalance of power on the seal, allowing the Nephilim to slip through
>The Paruns, in desparation, formed a magical law to limit and bind their power to one another - the Guildpact - as a way to maintain the seal and keep Ravnica from the grasp of the Old Gods
>Ages pass, and some of the more mortal among the Paruns die
>New Guildmasters rise in their place, but nearly all have forgotten the Nephilim threat
>Those that remember it are either too vain, too secretive, or too arrogant to convey the information
>Or perhaps, even if revealing it could hamper conflicts and preserve the Guildpact, the knowledge of the Nephilim potentially making it to the public would cause unnecessary panic
>But soon enough, conflict breaks out between the guilds, and the Paruns that remember can't stop it
>The Pact is broken, the Seal is weakened, and Nephilim once more appear

>>55238693
>3 pet decks over $4k
So 12k in total? What are the decks, all foiled?

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>>55239220
You should definitely check out his other works as well. He could do lands also.

>>55236614
>How much money do you usually spend on a deck initially for its first play test?
None usually, I use Forge to test and tweak the deck until I get the list functioning. The budgets on the decks usually varies, but they tend to fall between $300-600 when I get around to ordering them. Lowest I've started a deck I still own on is $30 though. I should add that I don't really have many decks. Quality over quantity, you know?
>How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?
Usually by the time I've gotten the deck where I need it, it needs less upgrades and more updates for new sets, but I do shell out for upgrades when I fall behind my group's power creep. The $30 deck I mentioned before is now roughly $500 after three years.

>>55239289
O-Kag is dead. Like dead dead, he got fully consumed by the Michiko/That Which Was Taken hybrid.
>He learned about the Jacevengers from Tamiyo
I fear you may be retarded.

>>55239120
What the fuck is this hand drawn shit? It looks so rough and dirty, get some computer enhancements there now, this is 20 fucking 17.

>>55239733
Fuck you, that shit looks great.

>>55239733
This is bait.

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>>55239733
Have one more (You) since you actually got someone with that.

>>55239552
moats,tabernacle,candelabra,cradle,chains, beta/alpha rares etcetc
cards that werent expensive when i was six are now $$$

>>55236614
>How much money do you generally spend on a deck initially for its first play test. How much money do you usually dump into it after for upgrades?
I start off with a netdeck so thats around 1-5k then if I like the deck ill foil it out over the course of 4-6 weeks

>>55238791
>sorcery
>mythic rare
Just fuck my game up, wotc

>>55239934
I didn't even see the sorcery part, holy shit, the thing is even more ass now.

Is goblin a fun edh theme?

What is KT even supposed to DO against Tracer?

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Is there any decent way to upgrade pic related on budget with recently released cards?
My friend wants to start playing EDH with me and my gf and we all want to pick C17 decks - upgrading cats and vampires decks seem to be preaty easy but I have no idea what he should do with this one. I mean I see that the mana-base needs some reorganization but how?

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>>55240044
No.

>>55239803
ha i quit mtg during mirrodin and i only follow these threads as a crutch to keep me sober. As a memento of some innocent time. This is the first time i've posted in these threads and i'm only here to say, serves the bastard baiter right. I'm a bit drunk i know but holy hell if those kinds of posts agitate me

>>55240082
Copy this guy's manabase if you're going for the absolute cheapest manabase upgrade.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rain-of-salt-ramos-dragon-engine/
Otherwise get painlands and checklands along with panoramas and things like the ugin land, the original Ravnica signets make for great ramp and colorfixing too.

>>55238791
what the fuck wizards, this is way too powerful it's missing the exile clause, can you imagine if people recurr this? I'm being sarcastic, holy shit this is mediocre.

>>55240082
>7 Forests
>5 of each other basic land
>All of the Ravnica bouncelands
>All of the Alara/Tarkir 3 color lands
>Cultivate
>Kodama's Reach
>Farseek
>Evolving Wilds
>Caravan Vigil
>Font of Fertility
>Diligant Farmhand
>Veteran Explorer
>Embodiment of Spring
>New Frontiers
>Edge of Autumn
>Frontier Guide
>Sakura-Tribe Elder
>Khalni Heart Expedition

>>55240082
Ash barrens, evovling wilds, terramorphic expanse etc

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Why does the Oracle text not allow artifact creatures to block, when the card itself does?

>>55240139
>run seven cantrips
>or cut 6 of them for more pet cards
This is broken in craw wurm meta

>>55240044
If your commander is zada, then yes

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>>55240044
extremely
Everyone but me, CHARGE!!!

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>>55240159
Reasons.

>>55240174
Never noticed the googley eyes.

>>55238791
It's cost efficient, at least.

But it doesn't have the cool full art version Tidings has so I'll probably keep that one.

>>55240148
>All of the Ravnica bouncelands
Recipe for disaster on 3+ colors, he's better of with Temples or cheap checklands. Also you're forgetting stuff like Far Wanderings and Primal Growth which helps a lot.

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>>55240185
This annoys me more than it should.
Why was it changed? Was it a mistake?

>>55239024

Say you cage sol ring with this guy, does he still have to tap to get the 2 colorless mana?

What if you cage a creature that says [that creatures name] gets +1 +1 till the end of the turn, since that card doesn't say "Mairsil, the Pretender" doesn't get +1 +1 till the end of the turn...does that mean it fizzles?

if I caged 5 different mana rocks with this guy can I say

>I activate sol ring ability
>I activate mana vault ability
>etc etc separately?

>>55240082
Wait a month for Ixalan to drop. It'll drive the price of allied checklands down a bit.
Replace Vivids with basics.

>>55240246
Yes

Yes, as long as it isn't something like "a card named ______ gets" or

Yes, just make sure you have untap abilities

>>55240252
>It'll drive the price of allied checklands down a bit.

Not guaranteed. The increase in supply that comes with Ixalan will be met with an increase in demand since it'll go from Commander players wanting 1x of them to many Standard players wanting 4x.

>>55240148
>All of the Ravnica bouncelands
Don't, the bounclends are too big of a tempo loss and prime Strip Mine targets unless you have a bunch of Explore effects up.

>>55240294
Yeah, gonna have to wait for them to rotate out of standard to pick them up if you don't pick them up now.

>>55239024
>Cage Myr Welder
>Manage to Welder Pili-Pala+any 2+ mana rock
Does this work or does it have the same problem as Quicksilver Elemental?

>>55240300
In general or just in Green decks?

>>55240350
In general, bounclends are traps unless you have some mad land synergy stuff.

>>55240339
Mairsil doesn't have Welder's static ability that grants it the activated abilities of its imprinted cards. Any cards you Imprint on Mairsil that way would be functionally useless.

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>>55237239
>tfw bought a LP TnT for merely 4 euroducats

>>55237261
Flame Wave is a silly one-sided damage-based mini wipe.

Wake of Destruction is similarly silly, but MLD is generally frowned upon.

Outpost Siege may not fit the flavor directly, but the card advantage (always pick Khans!) it gives is great for mono red.

Malignus is silly, especially if you get a damage doubler, like the Gratuitous Violence you already have.

If you were to expand the manabase a bit, and focus more on basics, I would definitely recommend throwing in a Ruination, a Valakut, and an expedition map.

>>55238791
>7 mana for 7 cards, at mythic, nothing else
>not even an instant
Garbage.

Might play it in budget Jhoira though.

>>55239099
They're basically metal benders, anon. They just use magic to move the bikinis out of the way when needed.

>>55237722

every time i see this card i just wonder why

>>55238791

I agree with the others that I wish this was an Instant. It feels pretty unremarkable otherwise.

>>55240148
Did you just suggest for him to play 47 lands, not a single good budget land and a bunch of objectively awful ramp effects and group hug shit? Don't give deck building advice ever again.

>>55239289

I don't get why they don't just use Ninjitsu on different planes. It's not like Kamigawa is the ONLY plane that can have Japanese shit in it after all. Why not just make some kind of ninja or ninja equivalent on a different plane?

Maybe it is better to rename it though.

>>55240843
Ambush would work perfectly fine. Maybe Subterfuge?

>>55240857

Between the two I think I like ambush more. What about Subtlety? It'd be a cool "Rogue" mechanic.

I still want to see "Rogue"/sneaky guy tribal.
U/B and maybe red with ninjas, rogues, pirates,
spies, etc.

Suggestions for mairsil deck? obviously I havnt upgraded the instants/sorcery much from the precon.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-09-17-mairsil-edh/

>>55240909
Keep it Ambush, keyword Curiosity, and have Subtlety be a keyword for those "Whenever ~THIS is attacked and isn't blocked, you may have it assign no combat damage this turn. If you do,"

>>55238747
>I don't want to say "liberals" or "sjws" but you get the idea.
That's an odd way of spelling "Chinese" or "Korean"

If one of my friends really enjoys mill decks and playing shit from my graveyard, what's a good way to universally protect myself in most colors?
Elixir of Immortality doesn't really cut it. You know. Ever.

>>55236925
Closest thing to any of that bullshit in my town was a rule against "bitch cutting" where you weren't allowed to cut someone's deck by just the top few cards.

>>55242372
>>55242864
Incidentally, the friend of mine who does the mill and play from my library shit loves to cut either only the top card, or the first seven.