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First for the Druchii and first for Naggaroth!

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Need WFRP advice.

One of my players started as a Marine, advanced to Mate, and is now almost ready to advance to Sea Captain. He just needs a few last skills. The problem is two of them don't seem super logical, namely Speak Language (Breton, Kislevite, OR Tilean) and Trade (Shipwright).

Both of those skills are super complex and would involve many months of training at best, and years at worst. In situations like this, would you suggest swapping out the skills for others? But what if they are put in place specifically to BE difficult, thus limiting access to the more advanced career?

>>55213658
To be honest it can be roleplayed as "I've been picking up bits of the language here and there." Being from Florida, I can tell you that you don't have to be able to speak a language very well at all to be understood.

>>55213658
>Speak Language
Being on a ship, he's probably been around people speaking those languages. A week or two of dedicated study from someone who knows those langues and he's set.

>Shipwright
This could easy be just all the bits about ships and their design that you have to know in order to sail them.

Remember that every skill has three ranks to it: has the skill, +10 to the skill, and +20 to it. Having the skill doesn't make you an instant expert unless you have a godly high stat associated with it, which just means you're a natural.

As someone who just got into this setting thanks to TW:W and Vermintide, was Mannfred really more popular than Vlad? Why would GW keep Mannfred alive in AoS but get rid of Vlad?

>>55214696
>Why would GW keep Mannfred alive in AoS but get rid of Vlad?
Because Vlad is hideously ugly.

>>55214730

Yeah, but Vlad seems (to me at least, based only on what little lore I've read) to be a more interesting character instead of yet another 'evil sneaky schemer' archetype.

Not to mention, they could almost justify having some undead on the side of Sigmar - I can't imagine Vlad would necessarily have left with Nagash.

>>55214696
I don't think Mannfred really was, but Vlad only came back in the End Times, and before that Mannfred was the poster child of the Vampire Counts - even if Vlad was a fan favorite, it'd be like throwing out a mascot to get rid of Mannfred.

Then again, I can't say what AoS has done with him. They made Malekith a dragon man or something, it's likely he's only loosely related to the WFB version. Because GW didn't have the balls to just make up a brand new setting like they obviously wanted to.

>>55214760
You have to realize, pre-8th/End Times/TWW Mannfred was actually a pretty cool guy. He was clever and cunning, but not a complete backstabber like he's portrayed today. He was never really Vlad's equal, but he was the closest thing to it after Vlad died and had the most potential of eventually becoming a worthy successor. Then GW made him bald and suck donkey balls.

Look up the 'Liber Necris" for a better Mannfred.

>>55214923


Ah, see, I didn't know exactly how long it'd been since they released the "Vlad is kill" lore.

>>55214933
Ok, so it's only during the death of Vlad and near the end of the setting that Mannfred's just another duplicitous cunt? I'll look more into it, then.

>>55215022
Vlad and Isabella were already canonically dead when the faction was released. Old Warhammer Fantasy had a kinda loose timeline and included "historical" figures as heroes in some factions.

>>55214696
Mannlet is widely despised (much like Archaon), but GW either doesn't care, doesn't understand, or he's a creator's pet (like Archaon).

>>55214923
>it'd be like throwing out a mascot to get rid of Mannfred.

It'd be throwing out Scrappy-Doo and going back to Scooby only.

>>55214933
>Mannfred was actually a pretty cool guy
He also had hair back then.

>>55215220
Why'd they think going bald was a good look?

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<tfw you win a heroic victory against bretonnia
>this plays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1GDRx-F1C0

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>>55215220
>when you realize that Mannfred is the greatest villain of all time

>>55215675
Wait so Lex never writes things down?

>>55215521
Same reason they though turning Vlad in to a leper was a good idea.

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>>55212886
>Doomwheel

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What is the proper way to do Griffith in WHFB?

>>55216879
Write a book.

>>55210380
Do you know how to properly butcher an animal, distinguish edible berries, fruits and mushrooms from poisonous ones, make soap, make shoes and other kinds of clothing, hunt, make ale, carpentry and husbandry?
'Cause all of those were just some of the common skillsets pretty much every medieval peasant knew.

>>55211742
I was however talking about days in the calender that were designated holydays, not days were you could slack off if you wanted to. Pretty much every saint had their holyday IIRC meaning that every region had plenty of local and import ones to safeguard plenty of free time.
The fact that you can't work on the harvest every day doesn't mean that you could just laze around. There were plenty of other things to do around the farm.

>>55216879
Why would you want to? You barely have to change anything to shove him in, sure - just change the gods or whatever into a group of daemon princes, it practically already fits. But that also means that he's rather boring, because 'oh great it's Grifftith but WFB.' Unless you really want to change up the character so he's not Griffith - defeating the point of trying to include him - it's not going to be interesting.

>>55213658
Seeing as there are such things as trade languages I wouldn't be surprised if they were also used in all availible situations that didn't require vast amounts of shared information.

Seriously though, dwarfs have to be the worst "good guy" race that exists
>Do literally nothing but quarrel among themselves over muh grudges muh honour and petty suburban family politics
>Think themselves far superior to umgi and elgi because they can drink beer and hit rocks with hammers, meanwhile lose 99% of their territory to sub 70 IQ goblins and shit stained ratmen in a few hundred years
>Are complete petty man-children susceptible to autistic temper tantrums; will slaughter entire towns and execute every woman and child they find because some long dead city-noble failed to meet the monthly trade deal thousands of years ago, expend obscene amounts of stress and energy over "grudges" meanwhile their race is almost extinct and the world is close to being annihilated at any moment
>Never leave their holds or actually do anything of relevance other than getting btfo by goblins
>Hate "sissy" elves even though elves have done more to save the world than dwarfs ever have
>Are so utterly obsessed with money and material possession that they make jews look charitable, literally have a biological addiction to money, would sell off all kin and allies for gold, grungni is actually the fifth chaos god of kikery


What were the old ones thinking when they made dwarves?? Is that the best they could do?
>We need to build a race that can stop chaos once and for all
>Lets try midget autistic OCD tourettes hairy money grubbing man children that like burrowing in the ground! Thats a good trick!

Karl Franz dies suddenly and unexpectdly

what happens?

>>55217550
Unironically summon the elector counts.

>>55217493
>dwarfs have to be the worst "good guy" race that exists

That's humans though. They spread everywhere like the plague, routinely fall to chaos, lead to the creation of new chaos races (beastmen), job just as hard as dorfs to space fungus, and despite being so young managed to spawn the fucker that actually ended the world.

I'm sure there's some sort of asspull that tries to explain otherwise but the warhammer world would be far better off without humanity.

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>>55217550
>KF
>dying
ASININE MORTAL

>>55215887
Superman obviously mind-controlled him to forget to write them down!

>>55214696
Vlad is more popular (he was better in every way AND actually cared for his living subjects). But it is GW we are talkign abou, they don't care about shit like fan opinion.

>>55217789
>lead to the creation of new chaos races (beastmen)
you can't stop us Turks from fucking our goats. Fuck off!

>>55216817
https://www.katsugames.com/doomwheel

>>55219519
ok, that looks kickass...

>>55218953
>actually cared for his living subjects

No ET here.

>>55217550
Civil war between sigmarites and ulricans happens, son of Boris Todbringer becomes emperor.

>>55216879
As a villain?

Former mentor one or more PCs thought died, but betrayed them for Chaos.

As a character in a story?

The villain, the story would center around your Guts, obviously.

>>55219725
Boris doesn't have kids - they died as part of some mysterious circumstances/plot. And even if they didn't, the legitimate heir was week and feeble, while his bastard was the good one. Neither could reasonably be the Emperor.

You'd have to choose an actual Elector, someone with experience, legitimacy, and all the good traits an Emperor needs.

>>55221023
It was reference to WFRP Empire in Flames campaign.

>>55217550
Boris Todbringer probably becomes Emperor.

The only one with close to enough economic or political pull after him is fucking Emmanuelle von Liebwitz.

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Would it have been possible for Eldarion to have beaten Arkhan, bare-handed?

Like, I dunno, punching him every time he tries to get a spell off.

Do the peasants of Mousillon not pay taxes because there is no actual Duke?

>>55221799
They pay taxes to their lords, most of whom are total assholes, but a handful of which aren't bad. Ironically one of the vampires there makes for a good landlord because the only thing he wants is the occasional peasant to kill and drain.

>>55221023
Toddbringer kids died either to schemes or to beastmen. Poor lad.

>>55221737
Do you mean LOTR Aragorn's son, Tyrion or Aenarion i can't tell.

>>55216879
Sigvald.

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>>55222021
Ah, sorry, I meant Eltharion. Got them a bit mixed up in my head. This guy.

>>55217550
Marius Leitdorf for Emperor.
>implying you don't want Daisy as the avermarshal

>>55222150
Marius is dead though. I don't want a dead man as an Emperor.

no skaven love :(

>>55222090
Does Sigvad have sexual relations with old men?

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>>55222438
But anon, why don't you want a forever living emperor?

>>55222466
Well he did eat his old man.

>>55222466
Sigvald wants to rape the Tzarina Katarin.

>>55217550
SUMMON

>>55223717
THE

>>55223758
KANGZ

>>55223790
welp guess we post Tomb Kings now.

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>>55223814

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>>55223839
Should I have gone for the Last Chance models while they were still around?

>>55212886
>dat pic
So that's how the Vampire Counts keep assassinating my Empire heroes with banshees.

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>>55223814
Aight

>>55224534
Why that guy has a flesh-and-blood girlfriend/concubine continues to elude me. Where's she from? What does she eat? Nehekhara isn't known as the Land of the Dead for nothing.

>>55224641
Judging from how she seems to be breathing energy of some sort into his body, I'd imagine she's some sort of magic-attuned Arabyan girl he captured to help keep himself in peak condition. And it's not like it's impossible for them to get food.

There was a short story where a Tomb King managed to keep an Arabyan...I forget his title, but something like a scholar or an adviser. He was kept alive so that his mind would stay fully functional as he acted as the Tomb King's servant, so I suppose they must've gotten food for him somehow.

>>55224641
Some Tomb Kings keep living captives as members of their court.
There's a short story called 'Totentanz' about a wager between an Arabyan poet (iirc) and his undead captor.

>>55221847
>one of the vampires there makes for a good landlord because the only thing he wants is the occasional peasant to kill and drain

That, uh, that doesn't sound like a good landlord at all.

>>55225227
The lords are a lot worse. Apparently.

>>55225227
Well compared to the other lords you know when you have to choose between the vampire who occasionally eats a granma, or the vampire who organizes blood sports and "feasts" most people choose the former.

>>55225227
The "bad" Mousillonian landlords include a literal madman whose castle is a charnel house of decomposing corpses, human meat on spits, burnt furniture, and excrement. His underlings are all vicious bandits who stick to their "lord" because they basically get to live it up as long as they terrorize his peasants in his name, delivering his insane demands of the peasantry for which he may or may not kill them for disobeying.

>>55225392
It aint that bad. Brunner the Bounty Hunter saga shows that such places are in Empire and Border Princes aswell.

>>55223884
If you wanted them, yes.

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>>55223884
Considering it's next to impossible to find any Tomb Kangz or Bretonnian models that aren't massively expensive or recasts, yes. Your best bet now is to look for different model ranges or hit up a recaster.

So any of the old guys, since Fate of Konor thread had discussion about it.

How did the campaing for Storm of Chaos look like? Is it true that Chaos was stopped at some village before Kislev?

>>55226523
Chaos came in second place on points, but that didn't really matter - second is first to lose, and they lost every meaningful engagement there was even with GW cheating on their behalf.

>>55226546
Did they really got stopped at some village?

Also did it really have any meaning to the actual Storm of Chaos?

>>55226645
IIRC they should have advanced no farther than Praag or maybe Erengrad.

And no, it didn't.

>>55226659
So the Grimgor bashing Archaon was scripted aswell?

>>55226682
No, GW held a vote for the final result and brought in the next runner-up on points, orcs, thinking Chaos would win. Instead orcs did, so Grimgor appeared out of nowhere, kicked Archaon in the dick (really), shouted he was the best, and left.

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>>55226699
>>55226725
Thanks for the info

>>55222120
As someone who doesn't know much of Warhammer lore, Eltharion just looks like a poor man's Tyrion

>>55227150
I get where you're coming from, but that's like saying Todbringer is a poor man's Karl Franz, you know? Sometimes you don't want to be the bestest of the best, sometimes you want something with more character. Like a guy who got his eyes stabbed out and fights blind, and really hates Orcs. Or was it Dark Elves?

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So I noticed this in the full vortex campaign map reveal, is that a dead Behemoth? Black Leviathans are in (and have been since TWW1), no reason other sea monsters can't appear.

>>55226725
>Beastmen reported losing more than any other army

No fucking shit. I forgot how screwed over beastmen were past 6th edition.

>>55228504
its a point of interest
exploring it gives you an event.

>>55226725
Archaon's Horde + Daemonic Legions + Chaos Undivided + Khorne + Slaanesh + Tzeentch + Nurgle are bigger than everyone else though.

>>55214696
Vlad was never more popular than Mannfred, Mannfred was set up to be THE current Vampire Boss whereas Vlad was a time-specific character who died ages ago.

>>55216879
Berserk fits very easily in the WHFB setting

>Band of Hawk are Bretonnian renegade group
>Griffith wants to become Royarch
>Skull Knight is a Tomb King
>Zodd/Apostles are all Daemons
>God Hand are 4 Greater Daemons/Daemon Princes. Want to be a total madman? Make them the Chaos Gods themselves (Femto = Tzeentch, Slaan = Slaanesh, Conrad = Nurgle, make Ubik buff and he can be Khorne)
>Griffith is elevated to Daemon Prince
>Neo-Band of Hawk are a Warriors of Chaos warband
>Fairy people place is Athel Loren
>Mozgus is a crazy Witch Hunter
>Kushan is Ind or Araby, the Sultan is a Daemon Prince

it all fits quite easily with minimal story changes

>>55229192
>Vlad was never more popular than Mannfred

Vlad has always been more popular both in and out of universe. Mannfred was liked well enough until he became a bald retard, then he garnered Archaon levels of fan dislike.

How can CA improve online multiplayer /twg/?

>All maps have 1 or more objective(s) to prevent infinite kiting, camping, hiding, running out the timer, etc.

>Reserve units that can be called in as reinforcements after the battle has begun, would help diminish the pure chance element of completely blind counter-picks.

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>>55229417
Kislev in TWW when?

>>55229431
Around the time of the 3rd game probably.

>>55229431
>No bear cavalry

I know it isn't canon, but bear cavalry is basically symbolic of Kislev by this point due to fan canon

>>55229487
Hippogryph Knights worked out for Bretonnia because they sorely, sorely needed it. But Kislev actually has a lot that it can stand on its own with, and doesn't really need super heavy cavalry when it's already got pretty good light cavalry and lancers, as well as the fucking Gryphon Legion.

Will they add fleets for the third one? Man'o War is like what from 1993?. It's quite amusing how Bretonnian fleets are more modern than Imperial ones.

>>55229431
anybody wanna do one for Albion?

>>55229547
I think the problem with that is that someone bought the rights for Man'o War for a game of their own recently. So CA don't have it.

>>55229513
>Hippogryph Knights worked out for Bretonnia because they sorely, sorely needed it.

These already existed in lore anyway.

Kislev on the other hand DOES have war bears (you HAVE to tame a bear to even become a priest of Ursun), but Tsar Boris was unique in having one as a mount.

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>>55229595
Albion are just barbaric celts as far as I know they really have never gotten any Mini's at all

Not that stops me with Ind....

If only they could introduce pikemen, not just for Estalia but for the Empire as well.

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>>55229547
I wonder if they'll include the really ridiculous ship designs

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>>55229431
Pygmy army when???

GW likes to pretend they never made these, but I REMEMBER.

They used to live in the Southlands (then called the "Dark Continent") until GW retconned lizardmen and clan pestilens being there instead

>>55229668
>These already existed in lore anyway.

Well, sort of. Hippogryphs existed, but it was specifically noted that they were hugely aggressive and territorial and thus could not be formed into units. You can get around this under a "selected breeding program" kind of deal, but lord actually specifically forbade hippogryph units.

Every Kislev mod in various games (TW:W, Medieval II, etc.) has had bear cavalry. Peeps need to accept they're here to stay

>>55221070
>not wanting the greatest coronation party ever

>not wanting to move the capital from smelly Altdorf to based Nuln.

>dwarves have Ironclads.

Why haven't they conquered the world already?

"High Elves, best navy in the world." My ass.

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>>55229805
Never forget that Pygmies were canon until 1992

>>55222120
Arkhan is an immortal master Swordsman and a master of death magic. Eltharion has a Griffon

>>55229839
Dwarfs have attack helicopters and electricity, it's p BS they still have trouble with the likes of Orcs but that's fantasy for ya

>>55229856
Arkhan's a master swordsman? I thought his main shtick was necromancy.

A rather large part of me wants to write the fight between them like a Dark Souls bossfight.

>>55229839

I believe the Skavens have ironclads and submarines too.

>>55229901
Yeah as a mortal he was nkted for his skill. And he has had centuries to practice .

>>55229855
>>55229805
Christ.
The 80s were something, eh

>>55229805

So, there are not black people in warhammer, only skavens?

>>55230069
>Southlands
Pretty sure plenty of Arabyans are also melanin enriched from being born due to a slaver finding his ebony captive to have a fine ass that needs the guidance of the one true god.

>>55229999
I'm not gonna argue with that many nines, especially because it could just make the Dark Souls idea better.

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>>55230069
As of End Times, there weren't any canonically black characters, no.

Nagash was pretty brown before he went skeleton though, as were the tomb kings in general. I remember someone's concept of a Southlands Tomb King colony that was modeled off the Nubians and it turned out pretty good

>>55217493
There's so much wrong with this post and i'm not even a Dwarf fag

Dwarven grooges are often played up for WH black humor, in actual practice is usually functions like wergeld. In fact, all grudges, even blood debt, can be paid off in gold up to a certain point. The reason they show up centuries later is it literally takes centuries of badgering and constantly asking for recompse before it moves to "welp, time to murder everyone" tier.

They hate elves, yes, because the King of the Elves betrayed them and treated them like shit when they were both tricked by Malekith. The War of the Bear was hugely devastating for both races, and born as much by Helf Arrogance as it was Dwarven stubbornness. Elves HAVE done a lot to fight chaos, hell they saved the world with the Maelstrom - they also have done the most to PERPETUATE it and their fuckups are the reason the world ends (though specifically, everything is Morathi's fault forever)

Finally, they lost many of their holds to a series of natural disasters. They were hit by devastating earth quakes, and THEN the greenskins attacked in the aftermath. The reason dwarves are so salty about it can be seen on a map - they once stretched across the whole of the fucking world, and now they're reduced to less than a dozen scattered holds. TW:WH hammers (hue) it home with just how many fucking dwarf holds you have to retake just to wind Badlands Bowl

>>55222523
>>55222466
I thought Sigvald was eternal bottom because he sacrificed his peepee to slaanesh. Hence his name, the GELD Prince

>>55226699
>>55226659
Still fucking hilarious

And like the writing staff for the WWF, they kept pushing their Roman Reigns anyway

>>55229831
Don't get me wrong, Emmanuelle must be much more competent than people think to ride a beast like Nuln, grow it, turn a profit, act as the Empire's creditor, and still be well-liked, but the entire Empire is its own beast.

>>55229839
These things aren't quite as invulnerable when a dude with a stick can literally shit lightning into your ship

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>>55230515
Emmanuelle is stealth genius, she plays up the retard party girl so people underestimate her until Theodore Bruckner kicks in their door and The Mountain's all over their fucking shit. She's still pretty shallow - her ambitions lay exclusively in being posh, it just so happens being a clever and successful ruler is the best way to accomplish that. She's like a party autist, she's so good at it she even deflects attempts by Cults of Slaanesh to corrupt her because falling to Chaos would totes interfere with her fun times

>>55229971
Skaven have submarines, but as far as I know no ironclads.

>>55230584
She has a legit backbone, too. She wasn't even phased by a fucking skaven wizard screaming for her to show herself while exploding her courtiers with lightning. Not only did she come forward as soon as she figured out what he meant, she told him to fuck off when he started making demands.

Best Imperial cougar.

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>>55229971
no ironclads, but they do have subs. Moulder + Skyre produces the coolest shit

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There anything in the novels tab that chiefly features the Chaos Dwarfs, anyone know?

Does the Empire switch capitals every time an elector count from a different province is elected?

Anyone watch old world wars on YouTube? Thought some of them were alright, but the more I watched, the more it seemed like one guy was kind of a tool, forgetting rules when it was convenient, but then pulling arcane stunts when he can eke out an advantage, and thats when one guy or the other doesn't get royally fucked because their list is something stupid like a bunch of shitty undead with half the points in characters getting mowed down by combat resolution.

I dont like the vast technological differences between ships. If there's one thing that benefits from technological superiority is the navy.

>>55231652
>Does the Empire switch capitals every time an elector count from a different province is elected?

Yes, just like the real Holy Roman Empire

but just like the Holy Roman Empire dynasties tended to get established, so the seat of the Imperial court would remain fixed for many years. The Reikland Holswig-Schliestein Line of Emperor's has been around for like 120 years

>>55231719
WHFB is all about vast technological differences

>Dwarves have helicopters and electricity
>Skaven have nukes and monorails
>Empire has early modern europe tech
>Bretonnia still feudal dark ages

>>55231667
are you talking about ash? he is a tool and gets fired so steve took over. try the recent ones with steve running the show. luka cullen and quirk started helping but don't know the rules as well. steve knows his high elfs and lizards best and cullen knows his skaven so games with those will have the least rules errors

>>55232002
Steve is the one who seems like a tool. Usually everyone else seems like they're making some mistakes but they roll with it. The last one I watched that turned me off to the whole thing was some WoC vs Skaven where the skaven guy was some British dude and Steve seemingly went out of his way to be a jerk about things, or at least go in to total "everything is about movement", charging with 2 marauder horsemen through some tiny gap to run something off the table (and not getting a good angle on camera for it), and then sniping the skaven general in close combat through positioning with the rest of the unit it being able to attack, and then pulling what he called "magic chicken" saying he was going to end his magic phase so the other guy would use his dispel dice to dispel a remains in play spell, only to turn around and recast it once his opponent blew all his dispel dice, all while patting himself on the back about how awesome he is. The whole thing was kind of cringey relative to most of the other games that were more about just smashing shit together, or the ones where the other guy knows his stuff well enough it doesn't feel like Steve is letting them/prodding them to make stupid mistakes just to take advantage.

The rest of the time it feels like a toss up between having no idea how to run the army and the battle turning out one sided or having an actual quality game.

>>55229668
They exist, but only as single mounts, not ones that you could form into a unit like Pegasus Knights. And you say it yourself - Tsar Boris was unique in having a war bear as a mount, it would be strange to give Kislev bear cavalry. Kislev honestly has more potential than Bretonnia, it doesn't need love and attention like that that bends the lore to make it viable.

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>>55230584

>>55213658
DUNG COLLECTOR BEST CAREER.

FEARLESS.

HAS CART.

HAS DUNG.

FEARLESS.

"I fear Archaon about as much as I fear a cartload of bullshit," Dung Collector shortly before rolling Ulric's Fury 17 times in a row.

>>55231977
>And they all get raped by a retarded viking with an axe.

>>55233468
Yeah but doesn't he have infinite respawns?

That counts for something.

Could orcs loot steam tank or they are too dumb for that feat? Because it happened in TWW2.

>>55230670
That's hilarious!

>>55229839
Dwarfs have only one port.

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How would you feel about introducing pikemen?

>>55234771
That the Empire is supposed to be inspired by the HRE but doesn't have pikemen always bugged me.

>>55212886
Is this the undead whore, Genevieve Sandrine du Pointe du Lac Dieudonné?

>>55230517
Lightning would be quite ineffective against an Ironclad.

>>55234771
>>55234792
What's the difference between pikemen and spearmen?

>>55235159
On the tabletop, more fighting ranks.

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>>55235159
One uses pikes, the other uses spears.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2p25Jf25ig

>>55235159
>>55235174
>>55235196

Also it should be able to always attacks first during the first round of combat.

>>55230670
That's not Moulder science, that's a seabeast that ate a shipful of Skaven and was resurrected by Noctilus along with the Skaven.

>>55230442
Nah, they mean gilt.

>>55232738
She's basically Catherine the Great, only hot.

>>55234228
Not in Fantasy, no. Most orcs and greenskins are frightened and confused by black powder.

>>55234809
No.

>>55235159
That's a bit like asking what the difference between a smallsword and a zweihander is.

>>55235159
Pikemen carry pikes, spearmen juggle bananas. What the fuck do you think the difference is?

>>55234228
Leave that to the Skaven.

>>55235707
A fixed-interest loan securities issued by the UK government?

>>55235786
Not at all. Both spears and pikes have seen ample use in actual warfare.

>>55235159
In real life? A pike allows you to bring more weapons to bear and better hold off cavalry (unless you're fighting Poles), and is generally good at keeping foes at bay. Howrver, they're heavier, clumsy, and awkward to bring to bear. If someone gets under the pike line - and this did happen, doppelsoldner had the job of making it happen - you were basically defenseless. You can't shorten up your grip like with a spear, you can't drop it and draw a sidearm or you compromise your comradee, and you can't withdraw or you fuck with your comrades and firing lines.

Spanish pikemen were drilled to literally stand there and let you stab them during the pike and shot era, they counted on swordsmen in the ranks to protect them, or else gunners/crossbowmen at the heart of the square.

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>>55236219
>If someone gets under the pike line

I'm just using this as an excuse to post Alatriste

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>>55212886
A few threads back, there were two guys who had Art of Warhammer Online book stashed somewhere.
Did you guys find it? If so, can you scan it?

>>55231977
Ha, I wish Bretonnia was based on Dark Age Europe. But any of that influence is in Norsca.

>>55236407
I have the art book. but sadly have no idea how one does good scans.
but you can still get it for dirty cheap on amazon. just by the special edition for warhammer online
you even get a cool comic with it

>>55231719
just think of that technological differences get overcome by magic, experience and numbers.
just going by technology dwarfs should own the seas yet it´s the high and ark elves that don´t even use gun powder that are the true rules of the sea

>>55236678
Eh. By the time it arrives to my shithole country and all the taxes and shit are applied, it's gonna cost at least 5 times the price listed on amazon, most likely a lot more.

>>55229805
Maybe they were afraid of getting called racists by SJW´s?

>>55237196
>Implying thinking that shit is racist is solely the purview of some """""SJWs""""

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>>55225588
I lucked out a weekend or so ago and found a Tomb King Horseman kit at my LGS after moving. I'm keeping it so I have extra Kang bitz for a Mordheim campaign.

I wish they kept the Necrosphinx though. One of GWs best kits IMO, great conversion fodder too.

At least Flagellants are still around.

>>55237196
When you have figures that are such obvious and even obnoxious stereotypes, even the non-SJWs take notice. It'd be like if they decided to give the Cathayans mustard yellow skin, long narrow eyes, and huge buck teeth.

>>55234228
>Because it happened in TWW2.

Wait, what?

>>55236387

I hate how the guy crawling from the right just lets the other guy from the left go past him to shank his comrades at the start.

>>55235229
This is pretty funny. Too bad I can't understand a thing that goblin is saying, and captions don't help either.

>>55237753
Old shame indeed. Just like how Looney Toons had Bugs Bunny nips the Nips, or Disney had Song of the South, or White Wolf had World of Darkness: Gypsy. Of course, 3rd ed WHFB had rules for Nipponese Kamikaze Skyrockets too, so there's that too. It's a not-Renaissance setting and the NotJapanese are somehow flying suicide bombs.

On another note, the 6e Tomb King book had this blurb.

"At the front of Alcadizzar's army stood trumpeting tuskas, the dark-skinned Ebonian auxiliaries gathered in loose formation around their massive, grey war beasts."

I imagine if there was ever a "Warhammer Fantasy Ancients" game (one could dream), Ebonians or other sub-Khemrian armies could be the NotCarthage to Khemri's NotEgypt or so.

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>>55236387
Jesus, so much wasted potential. This movie was fucking bad, only the beginning (in the water) and the end (the battle) was cool, the rest was fucking ridiculous. Also, it's needed to be said: why the fuck Aragorn would be using a rapier in battle, and not a side-sword or something similiar that actually can be used to hack and slash? It's a fucking misconception that a rapier (espada ropera - generally a thrusting weapon) was used in battles, because there's no way you could fence in a pike formation or riding a horse. Rapier maybe was used by an officers commanding cannon crews, but not infrantry men. In XVI-XVII ceuntry they were using pic related during war. Rapier was generally a civilian weapon.

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>>55238437
Maybe it's like why you see Colts so often in westerns? They just look sexier - especially for cinematic works - than other kinds of revolvers that were common, or even arguably more common. You'd give a major character a sexier looking sword rather than one that was functional.

>>55236710
Might be something to do with how the elves have a much longer coastline and need to move their guys around via ships than the dwarfs. Who only have the one, isolated, port as well.

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>>55238584
You're probably right, but officers or nobility were using this sword - a heavy blade with fancy rapier handle. Looks great and still is functional.

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Why go for Foot Squires instead of Foot Knights?

>>55239137

To reinforce the theme that Bretonnian nobles are obsessed with mounted combat, I guess.

>>55237855
There is rogue army of orcs with tank.

>>55239137
Because it fits with the Bretonnian mentality of "If you don't want to do it, make a peasant do it instead."

>>55239137
>>55239162
I always thought that they could have introduced heavily armored foot knights as bastards of nobles that were seen as unworthy of a horse or younger children of lesser nobles that can´t afford a horse for all of their children.
they would be relatively good soldiers that go to battle to become famous and one day full knights

>>55234228
There's only 12 Steam Tanks, they're precious artifacts that barely work.

But yeah I guess it'd be possible. Though the Orcs in WHFB lack a Mekboy equivalent.

>>55239280
got any pictures of videos of that?

>>55225227
if you dont like go and give 90% of your year income to some Bretonia inbred

>>55225227
IIRC under Vlad the Sylvanians were pretty content. They considered him a just and fair lord.

>>55239375
Eight now. Some got blown up, some got taken apart to try and figure out how they worked.

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Everyone see Avatars Of War made a mini for The 9th Age's female not!Sigmar?

I really like it. Warhammer needed a proper Rome.

>>55231363
how did you get photo of my dentist?

>>55239549
Looks like Myrmidia.

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>>55237196
>>55237753
Pygmies took it a bit too far. Their troops were called stuff like "Og" and "Ag" and they had bones as weapons.

That being said, ACTUAL Pygmies are pretty backwards and I think even a legitimate representation of them in a historical wargame would produce a lot of backlash

>>55239549
Rome exists already

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Luccini

>>55239555
Zero?

>>55237753
That's hobgoblins.

>>55239616
>not Remas

>>55230069
Well there's Araby and Southlands have some human tribes

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Do illusion spells from a Grey Wizard work on the undead? Like the Tomb Kings, for instance.

>>55232303
I can't watch any of the early battle reports because while Steve might game too hard sometimes, Ash's voice grates me harshly and his lists are boring to watch, particularly the dwarf ones
Spoiler for vaguely irrelevant eceleb junk

>>55240407
In crunch at least.

>>55239162
>>55239316
I suppose, but I've seen enough grief just over the choice of the term 'squire' that I wish they'd gone with 'retainer' at least. And I kind of wish Bretonnia had that Brigand aspect - those guys are basically mercenaries in all but name, and that'd ban interesting way to include them for Bretonnia. Maybe Bretonnia could take mercenaries, but they would take penalties to leadership or something due to being treated as outlaws by the Bretonnians they were fighting for?

>>55240651
Yeah, but in the fluff? I mean, they don't really have senses to fool anymore, do they?

>>55240833
I don't know if GW ever wrote anything about it.

>>55240758
Yeah, the word choice was indefinitely shitty. "Honored Two men" or something along those lines would have been much better, Yeomen from the kinder/more practical lords who get the right to wield bigass swords and wear heavy armor.

The brigand thing doesn't work as well imo. There's no reason (save the world ending) for Robin Hood to fight under the command of Prince John, and if Richard is back then Robin Hood is back to being a noble and the merry men are disbanded.

>>55240941
>Honored Two men

Honored Yeomen. Fucking phone.

>>55236407
I have archive of concept art from site.
https://mega.nz/#!6VAAGTgK!OTTv7fCcPfnfMaRerAAFkMgSImIm7dpFduVvXL0kzyc

>>55236416
Stylistically the closest are dwarfs, they have saxon style helmets and prefer axes.

>>55240941
Fair enough, it's not like the Empire does much impressing of criminals into service either.

I just thought it would be interestingly flavorful, and a fun way to allow Bretonnia mercenaries without letting them get off scot free - mercenaries are unchivalrous, of course, but it would only be chivalrous to allow penitent outlaws to serve under a lord - even if they were never outlaws to begin with, and they get paid. And it also hearkens back a little to Bertrand the Brigand.

>>55231667

huge fans. the excellent presentation and army paintjobs make up for the discrepancies in rules-remembering.

although since the release of TW:W I've noticed a real change in game speed - fewer 3000 pt list, quicker games and more "arcadey" army lists.

despite certain issues, still one of the highlights of my saturday

best moment:

>Clarence rolling double ones to stay in combat

>>55240407
Illusions could work on vampires sometimes. So maybe?

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How do you think Settra would react to an honest-to-god ambassadorial envoy from the Empire? Go all "SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE" on them, or actual try and hear them out?

>>55240833
They can sense the world around them somehow. Not with fleshy bits, obviously, but somehow, otherwise they'd be an army of blind, deaf guys stumbling around, which by the way I totally endorse for the hilarity. Anyway, if they have magic senses, why wouldn't a magic spell magically screw with those senses?

>>55241226
Well it all realy depends i assume Settra would atleast hear them out as he is a self respecting king.

>>55241136
Honestly, I'd want to see a "Shepard's" choice for that. Essentially, while Bretonnians don't hire mercenaries, they DO hire shepards to watch their flocks. And said shepards have to be really good at doing things like scouting, spotting threats, and reporting said threats to their lord. They also might be skilled at skirmishing with enemies, and sometimes a single flock will have a group of "shepards" for extra protection, and sometimes the "flock" is a single sheep. The pay is pennies, but sometimes Bretonnian nobles "lose" bags of gold right in front of the Shepards.

It's a bit of fluff specific to Carcassonne, but I could easily see it spreading to the rest of the kingdom. In the game, they'd likely be ranged skirmishers with actually decent armor but unable to use the General's (or any Knights, since they'd be lacking the Peasant's Duty) leadership.

>>55241226
I think of how China reacted to the first attempts of Europeans to set up diplomatic relations - only in this case, when Settra tells you that you're a petty little kingdom and you should kowtow to him, there's some legitimacy behind it.

>>55241317
Except that, discounting Nehekhara's pedigree, I don't think it's tremendously bigger than the Empire. Of course Settra wouldn't see it that way, but still.

I wonder if he ever looks over his kingdom of dust and bones and tries to remember how it felt to rule the living.

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>>55241307
If nothing else, I am disappointed that I've never seen a Bretonnian peasant unit with a sheep mascot, like how some Kislev units have war bears.

>>55241226
It depends on how they approached him and what they offered. If they don't convince him that he'd be the one wearing the pants in the relationship he'd go full SETTRA RULES on them.

>>55241388
Any good Bretonnian peasant knows to leave his wife at home when he goes to war.

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>>55241459
So Averlanders are getting their wives stolen by Bretonnians?

But more seriously, I found this picture while looking for an example of Kislev bears in units, and is the very last miniature on the bottom row female, or is that a trick of my eyes? Youngblood 4.

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What if I have maybe half of the novel you are looking for in the OP?
how can I share them?

>>55241495
I see no breasts.

>>55241542
Best way would be to make a Mega folder. Then someone can include that link in the OP until whoever manages the original Mega folder can merge the two.

>>55216879
Without making it glaringly obvious von carshtein vampire mercenary

>>55234771
Empire really should have them, modeling limitations are the only reason they dont iirc. I always headcanoned that the spearmen were pikemen in the lore anyway.

>>55241889
The Von Carshtein dynasty is a little-known faction lead by Vampire Sean Connery.

How does the undead of other races stack up? Why are there only human skeletons and zombies? Could a vampire bind a Orc Wight King to his will?

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>>55242038
Yes.

>>55242038
There was an old undead mercenary regime with esqueletons of efves, dwarves, orks, etc. So, I'd say that any race can be summoned, but there are only human miniatures

>>55241495
Kislevites don't mind women fighting in their militaries, though it's still mostly men.

>>55242038
>Why are there only human skeletons and zombies?

Mostly to save cost on modeling, but IIRC the handwave reason is that humans are naturally easier for a human necromancer to resurrect, though they can bring up other undead.

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>>55240983
Nice! Thanks m8.

>>55242038
I think Dwarfs might be more difficult to resurrect, their magic resistance in life carries over to their body in death, though its not impossible. That would be why there aren't hordes of Dwarf zombies and skeletons though.

>>55242038
I think in TW WH they mentioned a grudge about a vampire who forced some zombie dorfs to enact a really shitty play.

>>55242532
I think Neferata has the reanimated population of the Silver Pinnacle at her service, but then she is kind of an exception when it comes to dark magic users.

>>55241495
It is.

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Why does Malekith want to become Phoenix King so badly? A cup of tea would be far more comforting.

How would you stat sigmar (The barbarian king sigmar, not the AoS sigmar)?

>>55242840
More Conan the Barbarian, less Thor.

>>55242840
Valten but with an upgraded ghal maraz?

>>55242797
Malekith really needed a positive male role model.

Shame about Aenarion dying.

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>>55242888
Perhaps his mother could have been better.

>>55242840
Probably as a Champion with maxed out stats, and high Fellowship. I always imagined Sigmar as more or less of a badass that wasn't divine in his time in the world, but was made one by the belief of others. maybe that's canon but I don't know much about the lore at all

>>55242840
Barbarian King as in pre-End Times?

>>55242854
This.

>>55242959
Aenarion's one fault was sleeping with that thot.

>>55242797
I've never read books on him or anything, but it seems pretty clear cut to me: his dad was a pretty badass dude, even for cursing his entire bloodline. Malekith himself was a really cool dude, but he was always kind of stuck in his dad's shadow and his mom really wanted him to be more like his dad. He was going to get glory, but he became convinced it wasn't the respect and glory that he really deserved.

So he's going to kill all the High Elves, sit on the throne of the Pheonix King, and realize that he'd wanted to be Pheonix King because he thought that would finally give him the love he'd always wanted, and he'll start fucking bawling.

>>55243017
Why couldn't he resist the elf pussy?

>>55243067
>So he's going to kill all the High Elves, sit on the throne of the Pheonix King, and realize that he'd wanted to be Pheonix King because he thought that would finally give him the love he'd always wanted, and he'll start fucking bawling.

Wrong, Malekith wanted to PK title not for the power and glory, he wanted it because only he knew how to defeat Chaos.

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>>55243091
I feel like you're joking, but you do realize Aenarion was an elf, right? It's natural for him to chase that elf pussy.

>>55243109
How was he gonna beat Chaos?

>>55243110
Anon, don't elves desire long and deep discussions about philosophy and culture?

>>55243067
Would I be right in thinking that Tyrion and Teclis are actually related to Malekith? Like his, uh, nephews?

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>>55243131
A party of white mages of course.

>>55243131
Take the elf and dwarf armies north to purge it of everything under the thrall of Chaos and then try to shutdown the broken portal there.

>>55239700
Remas is Venice

>>55243248
How's he gonna get the Dwarfs to help after all the shit he pulled?

In hindsight, would ET have ended with a Chaos victory if everyone else didn't spend tons of time fucking each other up?

Tell me more about elf pussy, Anon.

>>55243196
They're descendants of his older half brother. So, yeah.
All the Everqueens are his cousins too.

>>55243309
Probably would've ended with a Nagash victory since he's not dumb enough to backstab his allies until _after_ they've saved the world.

>>55243162
This is why elven women are going for human men.

>>55243196
More like great-great-nephews or something, but yeah.

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>>55243314
A good place to put your wood.

>>55243334
It just felt weird in retrospect how much damage was caused by non-Chaos factions like the Elves killing each other.

>>55243268
Mutual benefit and the fact that he is friends with the dwarfs.

>>55243397
Don't you mean stick your wood?

>>55243414
That's probably one of the least weird things about the End Times' plot.

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Soon for TW:WH 2.

>>55243251
Remas had a caesar.

>>55243540
I remember reading that it was confirmed we will get them late in 2017. Dont have a sauce for it though.

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>>55235196
Ever since I read the third Malus Darkblade novel I always got the impression that the Dark Elves fight like the Macedonians under Alexander. Deep ranks of spearmen supported by crossbow skirmishers and heavily armored cold one knights on the flanks.

>>55243787
Do Dark Elves enjoy being raped?

>>55243414
TW:WH 2 just brought that home for me in less than two minutes of trailer. "We all want exactly the same thing, and we're going to kill each other to get it!" Screw Archaon, the Care Bears could've destroyed the Old World with those fuckwits on the other side.

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>>55243879
I'm not really sure where you're going with this man although if I had to guess there probably are some Elves who might have a rape fantasy or fetish?

>>55243879
"If you enjoy it..."

Seriously, though; Individual Delves may have a kink for being taken roughly, but in Delf society everything's about power, and being the bottom means you're fucked in more ways than one.

>>55243540
The thing that worries me is that the Skaven were a big, obvious, horribly kept 'secret' that everyone knew about the moment the rat was at the end of the TWW2 trailer. But there's been absolutely nothing about the Tomb Kings.

By TWW3 there's probably going to be a 'Last Chance' list of factions that haven't gotten in yet, I swear.

>>55240833
In the RPG, I believe the Undead talent precludes its possessor taking willpower tests, many of which are allowed with Grey magic.

>>55243251
Miragliano is Venice.

>>55244671
Skavenblight is Venice.

>>55243879
Do Skaven enjoy being backstabbed? Probably not, even though it happens a lot.

>>55244685
Skavenblight is Babel.

>>55244585
Nehekhara is right there in the southlands, though. Sure it's controlled by vampires at the moment, but they'd have to be crazy to leave the TK out of the second game at this point.

>>55244761
Why? They've got to leave someone over for the third.

>>55244771

>They've got to leave someone over for the third

Minor factions

>>55244761
Well, aside from the Norscans - arguably - pretty much every faction that was in TWW1 was in there from the begninning. There was a minor faction in place of the Von Carsteins, and the Bretonnians still needed fleshing out, but that was pretty much it. If the Tomb Kings were going to be in there, you think they could have slapped together a really basic faction like they did with Bretonnia.

>>55244802
Really. The blowout finale to the trilogy is going to be a parade of also-rans.

Am I the only one who expects some kind of Daemons army for TW WH 2?

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Chaos Dwarfs soon

>>55244807
What about the Wood Elves?

>>55244771
Chances are for the third they're gonna do everything east of the World's Edge Mountains. Chaos Dwarfs and Ogres, for instance, although I would very much like it if the CD were in 2.

>>55244819

You can expect some of them, at the very least:

https://pcgamesn.com/total-war-warhammer-ii/total-war-warhammer-kislev-araby-chaos-dwarfs-dogs-of-war

>>55245006
I forgot. But in their case it was just an empty area, right? There was no stand-in faction.

Maybe they just want the entire map figured out completely before they add any more factions and need to throw in a few standins for that, I don't know. It'd suck to have half the Southlands just be empty. But it's hard to shake this growing concern that they could just easily leave it like that, and never make an Araby or Tomb Kings at all. Especially Araby, since otherwise Bretonnia has absolutely no presence.

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>>55245047
Ind is coming

>>55245053

If fucking Norsca gets a faction, Tomb Kings are a near certainty.

>>55245053
>Especially Araby, since otherwise Bretonnia has absolutely no presence.
Those are AI factions. Either just to fill space until they get TK or Araby done, or to act as starting enemies for whatever factions begin there. Like how the Empire starts with the Secessionists or VC with Tempelhof and so on.

>>55245118
Norsca in TW is basically just another WoC.

>>55245053
>they could just easily leave it like that
>implying they will pass on the opportunity for a DLC
>implying there aren't a lot of fans asking for both Tomb Kings and Araby
>implying they will let these guaranteed return-on-investment DLC go away because "ah fuck it"

>>55245157

In the sense that it's a Chaos aligned faction but they sure as hell aren't in terms of campaign mechanics. I still find it very hard to see Norsca gets in yet Tomb Kings do not. Where exactly is this concern coming from? SEGA/CA clearly love their DLC, they won't pass this up

>>55245180
They also love their VC.

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>>55245220

Vampire Coast will satisfy CAs Vamp lust this time around

>>55245180
What's more, thanks to how succesful the first game was, GW have basically given them carte blanche to do what they like with the lore, up to and including adding factions that never had a list made.

Which bodes well.

Red pill me on dark elves. Is Malekith a meme or not?

>>55245251
Redpills are for people too blind to reject both pills.

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>>55245251

He's a real hothead

>>55245180
Ushoran is where they should be

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>>55245261

>>55245272

>Ushoran

Unless something happened when I wasn't looking, he's dead. And they're obviously a place holder faction.

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>>55245314
>he's dead.
Since when

>>55245346
Why is this map so fucking small. Even in CK2 mod they've made it proper like.

>>55245370
Unironically autism and do it for free-tism

>>55245370
Because the bigger version is like 26MB, you can't post it on this board. I tried to earlier.

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>>55245346

Since ages ago?

>>55245394
>not getting 4chan Nitro and posting the 400MB empire map

>>55245370

Because xbaux hueg maps will fuck up performance? TWW1 map + 2s is already probably going to be a real performance hog

>>55245314
I hope they keep it as a roaming Strigoi Ghoul army even if it's no longer a placeholder in the future. Think of it as like one of those random Orc Waaaghs! only focused on conquering the Mourkain-ish area of the Badlands.

>>55245370
Probably more concerned with making it fun to play in rather than of the proper size. Even the Empire sometimes feels a little too large when you have to cross from one end to the other - imagine having to get across from Lustria to the Southlands, or a far part of Ulthuan to Naggaroth. I can't say I like it, and I wish that it had been slapped over the main campaign map on some level, but what can you do?

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Just how scary is the fey enchantress, she scared half an army of beast memes by just getting in the area

>>55246792
generals have a +5 leadership buff and a -5 leadership debuff aura around them. You generally see it around low leadership units like beasties or G O B L I N S

>>55246792
Does anyone else ever find it a little depressing how siege maps go?

>wait on the walls with whatever units will actually fit
>weakly try to fight the enemy off
>get steamrolled because the enemy only ever fights a siege if they're certain they can win

The most fun I've had are with the corner-style maps, probably because it's not just one long line of enemies but two 'fronts.'

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Childhood is when you idolize the empire

Adulthood is realizing vampire counts make more sense

>>55248163
But I don't want to give my first born daughter as a tax.

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