Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

>>55181500
First for not all druchii

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anyone else have a dedicated fantasy group they play with?

most of the fantasy players left my lgs after AoS but ive found a new group that still likes fantasy

>>55181723
Yes all druchii.

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>>55181742
>>55181742
Can't wait to rescue a sorceress from her terrible surroundings and nurse her out of her addiction to drugs And hold hands and snuggle with her.

>>55181798
Since when are dark elves drug addicts? They're just evil murderous slavers that exist to job to the high elves.
The beastmen to their Empire, so to say.

>>55181735
Yeah, but we haven't stepped foot in a GW or LGS to play in years. We just bounce between WFRP and heavily homeruled WFB as part of a long term campaign.

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I think this is really well written, and probably would make a good speech.

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>"Beastman bad. Bad Beastman. Dirty. Emperor no like. Beastman love Emperor. Give blood to Emperor. Give heads to Emperor. Say sorry."

Why are there no self-loathing beastmen in fantasy?

>>55182194
Creatures of chaos.

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>>55181500
THE BOAR NED

>>55182194
They're born to Chaos from the moment they enter the world. It's why the Chaos gods snub them so much: humans have the free will to offer their service, which is much more interesting and useful to the Chaos gods. Beastmen are theirs no matter what, so who cares?

The Beastmen know this on an instinctual, primal level. It's a large part of what fuels their rage against mankind and their civilization: they're pissed that they're not mommy and daddy's favorite.

>>55182194
>Why are there no self-loathing beastmen in fantasy?

I'm sure there are. Lot of interesting stories you could do with a character like that, but their interaction with society would basically be them killing/avoiding other beastmen, or being hunted by humans because a beastman is still a beastman even if he isn't trying to kill you or smear shit on everything.

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>>55182026
>Yeah, but we haven't stepped foot in a GW
thats probably for the better my local gw manager banned fantasy because he didnt like one of the players

>vampire
>eats you
>barren womb
>wants to turn you into a twilight character

>elf
>loves you more than any human could
>fertile
>won't turn you into a monster

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>>55182532
Choice is obvious.

>>55182553
Druchii and wood elves need not apply.

>>55182532
>>55182553

It definitely is.

I'll choose the one that lets me live forever, please.

>>55182569
>live forever
>know no happiness of having children
>die to some witch hunter

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>>55182569
Live forever in song as the man who made an elf love him with all her heart and sired with her great heroes worthy of their own sagas.

>>55182598

Vlad and Mannfred seem perfectly happy, what do you mean?

also i'm into femdom and you KNOW vampire bitches are into that

>>55182610
Still dead though.

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>>55182622
alive enough

where are my norscan waifus?

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>>55182610
>still being concerned with the flesh

This is why the vampires are weak. You will start the path but never follow it to it's logical conclusion.
Life is a weakness and your dependence on it is doubly so.
https://youtu.be/rmDOLVlkntQ

>>55181798
It would be more weaning her off backstabbing and BDSM, slowly working her return to tender dickings.

>>55182981
Says skellie who still has crush on vampire.

>>55182532
>>loves you
Highly unlikely.

>>55178794
Can a skaven adventure with humans by cunningly pretending to be an especially hairy and buck-toothed hafling?

So a friend of mine gave me a bunch of dwarf figures, and I would like to know guys what should I do with them for a 1000pts army

I have 10 warriors, 20 miners and 10 thunderers

>>55183856
They would think its beastmen at best.

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What was Malekith's tax policy like?

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>>55183951
A chad like Malekith doesn't need taxes.
Money, slaves and bitches come to him of their own volition.

>tfw no gotrek and felix game that combines the best parts of the god of war and witcher games

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>>55184012
>midget wank the game
We need more games with badass elves like Heretic, Aenarion/Tyrion/Malekith hack and slash when?

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>>55184111
My dream game is an elf simulator with dragons dogma like combat and even crazier prince of persia movability where your character is significantly more fragile that his opponents, but can make up for it by parrying, spacing, quick switches from melee to range combat and stealth that isn't shit. Also exploration of dangerous environments and ruins.

Though what you are suggesting sounds more like a dynasty warrior game.

>>55181820
Slavery
Torture
Rape, from both genders
Orgies
Human Sacrifice
Cloaks made from slaves' flesh

But drugs are a no-no

>>55184209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvXDik3-XG0
I want FPS about High Elf mage or swordmaster in ruins of Old World.

>>55181820
>>55184225
Yeah, witch elves definitely use drugs.
And I remember from Malus Darkblade books that regular elves use drugs too, they call them powders or something and there's that extract from some plant that acts like morphine and is addictive, don't remember the name.
So there's junkies for sure. Not even counting cultists of Slaanesh.

>>55184209
Play an assassin in DS3

Low weight for rolls
Target Shield for parries
Composite bow for ranged combat
Magic for stealth

There, problem solved

>>55184248
They are based on Melniboeans, so they of course have to use drugs, even if High Elves are really toned down, de-edged Melniboeans.

>>55184272
This may surprise you, but the Souls games are not the end of all video games.

>>55183856
I'd allow it. Ratman would need to be swathed in robes, but it feels like good old fashioned Warhammer humour at its best.

>>55183881
You're not making 1000 points with that. If you're looking for suggestions to up it to 1000 points then I'd say start by reading through the dwarf army book for models you like and go with those, build a 1000 point list and see what you want to buy.

If you want my personal recommendation then add a hero, either a runesmith or thane, to be your general, then pick up a war machine, probably a cannon or stone thrower, then get some more warriors to fill out a unit of them, 10 more for 20 total is a fine amount. That'll give you a taste of everything the dwarves are about, fat melee units and shooting.

>>55184296
This may surprise you but no one cares about your opinion on Souls games.

The guy made a suggestion for a way you can live out your dreamwank, if your reaction to being told "you can do that in Dark Souls" is to be condescending and build a strawman to fight, then you may just be autistic.

>>55184911
>Dark Souls
>dragons dogma like combat and even crazier prince of persia movability
>quick switches from melee to range combat and stealth that isn't shit.

hahahaha

>>55184911
Indeed he is a turbo autist

>>55182748
Pretty sure they're fully dead at this point.

>>55184883
thanks! Yeah, of course I'm planning to add units to reach 1000 pts. My first tought was a Thane, a organ gun and 10 longbeards, which seems to fit your opinion. The remaining points will be runes and banners and stuffs

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>>55185597
>biggest infantry block is the miners
I see some issues.

>>55181500
More wine, your grace?

>>55185882
FETCH ME THE BOOAAR STRETCHER

>>55182194
>Why are there no self-loathing beastmen in fantasy?

They already ARE self-loathing. As Chaos's abused children they hate humans, themselves, and the whole world for their doomedness.

>>55182072
A rare case of actually seeing a Sigmarite sermon, too.

>>55182610
>also i'm into femdom and you KNOW vampire bitches are into that

Vampires seem universally attracted to people of strong will, so you better have some sass.

>>55183856
It depends on the group. They would have to be extraordinarily stupid for this ruse to work for long...but there is a long history of skaven canonically pretending to be humans short term and fooling people at close proximity for short periods of time. In the Gotrek & Felix novels, this is done in Nuln herself (though later successes owe to drunken nobles at a costume ball), and in the Brunner the Bounty Hunter series one particularly gutsy ratman manages to hire Brunner without him realizing he's a skaven.

>>55183856
Can anyone think of credible circumstances where a skaven would team up with a normal adventuring party? Maybe a temporary alliance to secure a macguffin or escape from a fortress.

>>55186151
The only time it worked in Skavenslayer was when a Skaven pretended to be a human dressed up as a Skaven.

>>55186169
In one of the Tales of the Ten-Tailed Cat, a skaven spy manages to pass himself off as a hooded stranger.
Wish I could find it.

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>>55186169
Thanquol himself passes himself off as human in the slums to deliver messages, albeit in very brief spurts.

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>>55186220
This one?

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>>55186255
continued

>>55183986
Malekith still has a dick?

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>>55186288
last one

>>55186255
Yep, that's the one. Thanks.

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Would u pat a slave-scribe?

>>55186255
The guy in the third panel looks him straight in the face. How does he not notice that something is amiss?

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>>55186376
bad lighting + grog
>>55186364
with my az

>>55186376
He might be wearing a veil.

>>55183050
End Times, so not canon

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>>55182532
>everyone is going on about elves or vampires
>cute girls are literally wandering through the towns of the Empire and Bretonnia, that will put out within your lifetime and aren't monsterous

What the fuck is wrong with you guys?

>>55185798
not my fault, He bought 10 metal miners and got the 10 others from the 7th edition starter box

W-what's wrong with miners? I tought they were just like dwarf warriors with extra rules

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>>55186288
Those Skaven look...odd. I'd always figured they were less humanoid with rat heads, and more...I don't know how to put it, cartoonish. Like Pinky and the Brain, or Redwall. Their arms would be muscular and human-like, but the rest would be like if a rat started walking on its hind legs. And closer to the height of a dwarf or goblin than a human.

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Agghhh...

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>>55186675
Of all the major races I think they are the ones whose style vary the most between illustrators. They can look like humans in rat suits, like mutated monkey-rodents or like literal rats walking on their back legs (pic related).

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>2 months after the launch of Total Warhammer 2.
>First FreeLC drops
>Hag Graef playable
>Lead by Malus Darkblade voiced by Sean Pertwee.
>Buffed cold one knights.
>Hauclir as recruitable lord with a retinue of cutthroats/mercs.
>Betray Malekith and Whorathi and take Naggoroth for myself.

Best day of my fucking life.

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>>55186675
It's the hair on the faces.
Older images of skaven sometimes have hair on their faces, but the vast majority of 'modern' (post 6th edition) skaven have bald faces.

Outside artists make that mistake all the time. Queek Headtaker in TWW2 for example looks wrong for that reason.

I have a question:

What is so important about the warhammer world?

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>>55187080
I like him although imo he looks more like a tasmanian devil than a rat. It suits his personality though since he's supposed to be a rabid, perpetually angry little shit.

>>55187144
It has races from galaxy cramped on single planet.

>>55187144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr0J2mQRWqs

>>55187047
>not banging Whorathi pregnant

>>55187245
>implying this old hag can still bear children

>>55187080
Their feet are hairy too - it makes them look more like some sort of werewolf than a rat. Look at how your picture has bald feet for the Skaven in command.

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>>55187144
It's not that it actually is, it just happens to be where the Chaos Gods have managed to stretch a foothold thanks to the collapse of the Polar Gates. It could have been any world, technically.

>>55181820
Witch Elves use fucktons of drugs, and many sorceresses are orbital or direct members of Morathi's Cult of Pleasure. Which definitely involves consuming a bunch of drugs.

>>55181735
Yeah.

We mostly play Skirmish though.

So would anyone mind helping to seed that ~20GB file on the pastebin with 'Everything ever published for Blood Bowl, Man O' War, and Warmaster, plus a ton of WHFB, Mordheim, and magazine content'? I managed to find a mirror of it somewhere else and it's got barely any seeders, or at least ones that have it fully downloaded!

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>>55187268
Well she is an elf so probably still able, with magic and what not....but I'd rather try my luck with Hellebron. She'd be the angriest pregnant woman ever.

>>55186594
>not monstrous
>obvious Slaanesh cultist planting heresy into the hearts of men with her accursed vulva

I'm too smart to fill into this trap.

>>55183050
>>55186580
Actually it's only in Black Library, it's not even in the End Times books.

>>55187984
>Witch Elf realizing that her bikini armour doesn't fit her anymore because of the pregnancy
God, and imagine the cravings.

>>55187144
In the warhammer fantasy series, it's basically the only world known to exist in the "material plane"

>>55187047
> First Lord paid DLC of TWW2
> Malus Darkblade and Hellebron vs Alarielle and Alith Anar
> Will need to part with my shekels to play as Malus

>>55188233
I wonder if they'll ever add Finubar.

>>55188314
No, Finubar is just a /tg/ meme, he never had rules, a model or official artwork.

>>55188385
Yeah, and neither did Frost Wyrms, but they're in it now.

>>55188404
>>55188385
Besides that he's the damn Phoenix king no way they ain't giving him a role.

>>55187984
You realize Hellebron is only hot for like three months of the year, right?

>>55188440
I assume if he kills off Malekith and Morathi he intends to give Hellebron full access to youth restoring gubbins that Morathi withholds.

>>55188404
Frost Wyrms are just blue Chaos Dragons.

>>55186255
>>55186288
>>55186303
That's one ugly Rat Catcher. I'm surprised he hasn't been burned as a mutant.

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>>55188404

>>55181798
Bro just play BG2 again.

Ignore the awful ending.

>>55188385
But why? I'd think that the king of the High Elves of all things would have gotten attention at some point. Always seemed peculiar to me.

>>55188867
Politician, not a fighter.

>>55188867
He's the one exception to the otherwise golden rule of Warhammer Fantasy - every leader of every faction will be some sort of grand warrior as well as statesmen. Pretty much every faction obeys this rule, from Leoun to Golfag and Malekith. The only exception has been the High Elves, arguably the Lizardmen, and the minor factions that really never much of a look at them.

Technically Finubar did go to war in the Age of Reckoning comic, but generally Tyrion has held the spotlight as the High Elves' military leader. I suspect Tyrion and Telcis were around before Finubar was established, but I can't be sure. But honestly, I enjoy that the High Elves are a bit different.

So I heard there are sea monsters in TWW1, saw a pic of a black leviathan, do any other sea monsters show up? (ignoring captured behemoths used by beastmen)

>>55185100
We all need to make concessions to get the thing we want. If you had the mind of an adult you'd understand that.

Ok lads, found some guys on the internet selling his dwarfs, what's your opinion on this 1000p army?

Lord with Iron rune (2) and Alaric the Mad rune (240p)

15 warriors with shields, musician, SB and champion (165p)
15 warriors with shields, great weapons, musician, SB, champion (195p)
10 thunderers with shields, musician, SB and champion (160p)
10 miners with explosive stuffs (120p)
1 good old canon (120p)

total : 1000

>>55186673
The major differences are that miners cost 1 more point than warriors with great weapons, get to deploy with their special rule, and can't have shields

How would an Albion army work in Total War Warhammer 2? Do they even have enough fitting units?

>>55189394
probably a lot of magic and big units, but a serious lack of real infantry/cavalry/flying units

>>55189298
What's your strategy with this?

>>55189416
kill normal stuffs with dorfs
kill big stuffs with canon and thunderdorfs
kill warmachines with miners

>>55187848
Anyone?

>>55189436
Don't really know if you should rely on a shooting unit as your main hammer.

>>55189633
Well it sounds like he plans to kill monsters and cavalry with shooting, which is a fine plan for dwarves. In 1000 points you don't get much hammer & anvil dynamics.

>>55189669
But how do you protect your shooters from fast trash mobs?

>>55189869
they're dwarf thunders they can fight off plenty of shit

>>55190012
But while bogged down they can't shoot the targets that actually matter.

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I'm playing a mage in WFRP 2ed. Is there any way I'm supposed to play my character without being burdened TOO MUCH due to the tzeentch curse?
Or am I just unlucky with the dice?

>>55189869
Screen them with warriors.

What do you suggest he brings to deal with fast fodder?

>>55190147
I'm not really that familiar with dwarfs, but I think I wouldn't use a shooting unit at all in most low point army.

>>55189394
Chariots, spear-waving fodder, naked berserkers high as balls, Truthsayers, fenbeasts, war dogs, maybe some Old Ones weapons. Basically take picts/celts to fill in the gaps of what we know about them in lore.

>>55190139
You're just unlucky. Meaningful occurrences of the curse are statistically quite uncommon.

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Of all the Clans and the Grey Seers, which group would be most likely to produce a Skaven willing and interested in stealing and replicating the vampiric elixir of life for their own use?

>>55190715
There is a Skaven clan with a sense for the macabre that wear bones and such, called Clan Mordkin. They might produce Skaven that wish to be vampires, but they do have an obsession with death and experience with fighting the undead.

>>55190676
>picts / celts
So basically a Norsca reskin

>>55190715
Are there elven vampires? Dwarven ones? Ork vampires?

>>55192316
None confirmed, none confirmed, and no.

As far as anyone knows, human vamps are too conceited to even TRY turning a non-hume, and it's not clear it would work. This was left up in the air for DMs to decide in WFRP 2.

>>55192328
A druchii vampire would be terrifying.

>>55192436
I wondered why GW never went full balls in the walls with the DElves.

Make them worship Khorne, Slaneesh and Tzeentch
Make them have some vampires and necromancers, reviving slaves to use as canon fodder for the armies n shit

>>55190715
>>55191230
I imagine all Skaven would love the chance to become a Vampire, super strength & speed and immortality? Sweet-sweet deal, and the only strings attached is that they must feed on the blood of the living doesn't like it would really bother the individual Skaven all that much.

Worst obstacle would be finding a Vampire who'd want to gift a Skaven.

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How exactly do ratties like Queek and Deathmaster Snikch hold back the naturally short skaven lifespan, anyway?

>>55192554
Warpstone?

>>55182026
What home rules are those? My group likes campaigns and narrative stuff. Wouldn't mind checking yours out if you could throw them up somewhere to view.

>>55192554

TL;DR because you wouldn't be able to create memorable and useable Skaven characters if they all died in 10 years in Warhammer world

Better food
better lodgings
Probably someone to take care of their health
Warpstone n shit nigga

>>55192554
Queek and Snikch are not that old. In fact, Queek before the End Times was a young commander.

During the years of the End Times, old age finally set in on Queek which made him make deals with his warlord for the medicine to extend his life.

>>55192554
Clan Moulder life extension is helluva drug.

>>55182254
>>55182194
>>55182389
>>55185903
The Skaven are Children of Chaos too. Why aren't they as self loathing? They are the opposite in that they supremacist about themselves.

>>55192656
Because they don't have the big 4 but rather the Horned Rat as their parent who feeds them tales of how they are going to rule the world instead of how they are going to burn and shit on it.

>>55192656
They worship their own god and aren't beholden to the Four at birth. The beastmen have no civilization and no way to advance beyond their own brutal strength, and the Chaos Gods rarely bless them in their endeavors. The Skaven can use their wits and guile and backstabbing skills to advance through their twisted civilization, and gain the favor of the Horned Rat.

I need one or two good videos to show my players to give them a good sense of Warhammer Fantasy. Suggestions?

Something like the trailers for Deathwatch or that one short fan film for 40k, but for Fantasy.

>>55192748
I'm not that huge on Warhammer stuff but this might help

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9fJzfRSVxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyAqQBWxB0Q

>>55192748
Well for starters this is probably good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjzLuddjIUI

>>55192656
Skaven are more social than beastmen. A skaven's position in the grander cosmology is less an issue compared to beastmen who are constantly reminded of the other races who are better than they are. A skaven will generally think himself superior, with his primary goal rising in the ranks of skaven society where as beastman religion is all about basically being the bottom bitch and some asshole farmer who gains a god's favor outranks you because no one liked you to begin with.

>>55192656
The thing about skaven being supremacists always sounded a bit confused to me given how they think sacrificing several of their numbers to kill one enemy is a good deal. It's like they think themselves superior and worthless at the same time.

>>55192962
They're the superior species, but they don't value the life of the individual. It's hardly a perspective unknown to us.

Are the events of Vermintide canon?

Could four or five exceptionally skilled people really get swarmed by and kill hundreds of skaven, including several rat ogres, and actually survive?

>>55192656
The Horned Rat loves them.

>>55192962
They think of the concept of Skaven, best embodied by any given Skaven contemplating the concept, are superior.

Any Skaven who die were weak-weak, yes-yes. Not like I.

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Saved this from another thread.

>>55192986
Hero-tier characters from the TT could.

On a personal scale like in WFRP, no. Even clanrats become nasty in high numbers due to gang-up bonuses.

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>>55192986
No.

>>55192986
Canon?
No.

Could it happen?
Possibly but they would have to be Tyrion and Teclis tier characters.

>>55193019
Aren't you mostly killing slave rats in Vermintide?

Fun fact about skaven: despite their ow the edge backbiting, they canonically hate to be alone and feel lonely/anxious when they are. Skaven sleep communally and are uncomfortable in any den that hasn't been musked up.

>>55193062
The common ones you see are mostly clanrats. The mostly-bald pinkish runts? THOSE are slaverats, roughly analogous to the 'skaven dregs' from WFRP 2e.

>>55193019
>On a personal scale like in WFRP, no. Even clanrats become nasty in high numbers due to gang-up bonuses.
As a fairly experienced Vermintide player, I can actually advise that you're not going to last long if you take on hordes of rats from more than one side at once, and even then you don't really want to fight more than 10 at a time (assuming you have all 4 people fighting).

What I mean is, in Vermintide on Nightmare and Cataclysm, you have to fight a lot smarter, and keep them from ganging up on you too much, like I assume you would have to do in WFRP. At which point it becomes as much about tactics and terrain as it does about raw power.

>>55193164
Agreed, though Vermintide has an advantage you'll NEVER have in WFRP: 360 blocking and attacks that hit multiple rats in 1 swing.

Cata is the closest you'll get to the RPG experience in terms of 'how lethal are shit mooks.'

>>55192962
They are superior to other species as a whole, but have strong divides between social ranks of their own species. Think of it like how Bretonnians see themselves as super chivalrous and noble, but are willing to let their peasants do unchivalrous shit.

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If the tomb kangz poster happens to see this I want to thank you for that sweet tomb kings art dump

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starting to build up a greenskin warband - got the greenkskin starter box to work up as well a unit of grots - but planning to have a lot of fun with conversions and theres a bunch of choice older oddities on the way for variety.

anyone got any pics of their own (or others) characters/warbands which deviate from the purely brute orc theme? maybe with a mutie touch or featuring older models?

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>>55187984
I dunno man.

She's a horrible bitch but damn is Malekith's mom hot.

>>55194654
> Drops earring one day
> Dies after impaling herself by bending over to pick it up

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Thunder Lizard in TW:W2 when?

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>>55194654
No arguments here. Mad, bad, and so hot that whole armies have been known to drop their socks and grab their cocks at the sight of her.

If the stories are true, she somehow manages to have sex with a man sealed 24/7 inside a suit of armour, so whatever she can do with you promises to be (probably quite literally) mindblowing.

Still waiting for someone to write a story about them fucking, damn it.

>>55194703
Literally just a Dewback from Star Wars
Go look up the Arcanadon you utter pleb

>>55194761
According to >>55183986
a few elvish maidens have pierced the Armor of Midnight. Or been pierced by it, whatever.

Maybe there's a hatch. Or Malekith isn't actually fused into it, he just barely takes it off and everyone assumes he was enough of an edgelord to Doctor Doom himself.

>>55194855
Chances are that when they were riveting it onto his charred form the armourer thought to include a codpiece, so that his boss could piss if nothing else.

That is why they were developed, after all. So knights could drain the snake without needing to be peeled out of their armour during the lulls in a battle.

Personally I prefer this theory to "he's not actually fused into it". More fun, and it explains why nobody's ever tried to kill him in his sleep, or in the bath or whatever when he's not wearing it.

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>>55182532
>twilight character

I was always upset there wasn't a Twilight-esque brand of sexy vampires in WHFB, the series was pretty much dead by the time it became a cultural thing.

Dio Brando needs his own 6th bloodline

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>>55194975
>sexy vampires in WHFB
Lahmians, girl only club.

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>>55194975
>brand of sexy vampires in WHFB
You're so wrong it's not even funny. Neferata would like to have a word.

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>>55192492
>Make them worship Khorne, Slaneesh and Tzeentch

>another Chaos faction

>>55195051
Yeah, I have to agree. Having some of them worship Slaanesh was interesting and it made sense, but three chaos gods would've just made them WoC with pointy ears.

I have a question.

If the Chaos Wastes and Norsca were such barren, cold, and inhospitable places, how was Archaon the Everchosen able to amass a force numbering in the hundreds of millions when the combined forces of the Empire, Bretonnia, High Elves, Dark Elves, Wood Elves, Dwarves, AND Vampire Counts could only muster tens of millions?

Were the Skaven counted as being among the forces of Chaos which tipped the numbers way way in favor of Chaos?

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>>55195163
Because chaos. Shut up.

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>>55190715
Clan Morbidus

>>55192554
>>55192561
>>55192600
>>55192631
fyi, if you touch the stone of commandment in skavenblight and are deemed worthy, you become near-immortal and will basically only die in combat. Course if you're deemed unworthy you will burst into flames.

There are other ways at extended life as well. Sorcery (grey seers can absorb the life energy of other skaven for instance), techno-sorcery from clan skyre, weird mutant goo from clan moulder

Ikit Klaw has been around in lore for nearly 250 years for instance. He was around during the end of the Second Skaven Civil War which was in the 2300s IC. The head of the Grey Seers Kristlik is said to be 1,000 years old and fought in the Skaven Wars against the Empire.

>>55192962
They dont' view a skaven as superior to a human really. They don't gloat about their genetic superiority, better culture, better architecture, etc.

The Skaven see themselves as the rightful inheritors of the earth because the Horned Rat, their God, said so. It's a religious motivation.

Look at ISIS, they're not particularly "supremacist" and don't talk about being the master race of arabs, but they sure as hell believe they are mandated to take over the world because of their God.

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>>55192748
This was made for complete 100% normie noobs to WHFB. It's the most basic of all introductions.

>>55182532
le twilight XD
real vampires burn in the sunlight XDXDXD
*holds up spork* XDXDXDXDXD

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>>55195023
>>55195029
I meant twilight-style sexy fuckboi vampires

Also dunno how sexy Neferata is these days

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>>55195415
So she has a big hat now, so what? She's still hot, in a pale, bloodless, cold-to-the-touch way.

>>55195415
Also Lahmians.

While they generally keep it a girls club, they DO turn some men. They don;t ever get allowed into the Sisterhood proper, though, they're second-class vampires in that society.

So, if you're looking for angry angsty twinks, you still want Lahmians.

>>55195482
>Lahmia falls in love with a man
>doesn't turn him because she doesn't want him to turn into a vampire her bloodline would never truly accept
>can't raise him as a normal undead since it reminds her so much of her beloved, who is truly gone forever from her side
It's all so dramatic and poetic, The perfect fit for these effete fops. Elfu for laifu you fuckers.

>>55195453
looks like you'd get a non-immortality inducing disease fucking her

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>>55195590
Eh, I don't think she's fucked all that many guys, actually. Probably she and whatisname, Alaczam or whoever, never had the chance to get it on before he ran off (discounting the possibility of her bouncing on his dick when he fell asleep, of course)

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>>55194917
Come now, he does have a bodyguard who is very good at his job. You think something like a little bathwater or nakedness would keep him from doing his job?

>>55195613
He's got to give him some time off at some point. Bodyguard's no good to you if he's dead on his feet from tiredness. Plus he'd hardly want this guy around, whistling to himself probably, when Morathi is stripping for him or whatever.

>>55184111
>"midget wank"
>proceeds to admit he wants elf wank

lol

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>>55195318
Is that really the symbol of the Chaos Dwarves? I would have figured they would've gotten a Hashut-like symbol.

>>55195023
There are male Lahmians, though there's a glass ceiling that keeps them from rising in rank too far.

This tends to be a problem, since vampires are naturally ambitious and resent being told 'no,' so they tend to rebel or strike off on their own, both things that piss off Neferata. Even so, some Lahmians deal with the political penalty or get consent to turn the occasional male, and one assumes that some of those are like Isabella: content to lovingly support their mother-in-darkness.

>this close to getting palladors
>realize they are actually wingless hippogryphs, not demigryphs
Bullet dodged there.
The Arabyan god doesn't even have a name or symbol right? Closest I could find is a dubious saying it's a guy god in a wiki so that's not much from stopping me from saying their god is a /fit/ brown girl

>>55192539
>Worst obstacle would be finding a Vampire who'd want to gift a Skaven.

That can be prepared-arranged, heh heh heh...

>>55195318
I'm not sure Dark Elves and Chaos can really be said to be allied. IIRC demons have only been employed in war by Delves once or twice, and it was wholly Morathi's doing.

There's a string of huge fortifications in the north of Naggaroth that exists specifically to keep Chaos away.

>>55195776
Both are destruction and thus trusted allies.
Watchtowers to keep them at bay and murder them doesn't mean much when dark elves are like skaven when it comes to killing each other for fun and sometimes for betterment of their own position,

>>55195821
>WAR Online axis

Eugh, that doesn't really have any merit outside of vidya.

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>>55194654

>>55195910
I mean, it's in the rulebook.
Funnily enough, skaven and dark elves are such massive pricks that just being there makes the alliance get worse for everyone.

>>55195776
Allies of convenience, usually instigated by Morathi. Officially the Druchii are hard-on REMOVE CHAOS types, and the orthodox Cult of Khaine there absolutely is.

>>55195541
This actually happened to Ulrika, when she developed an infatuation for a witch hunter of all things. He actually saved her and her sisters and adoptive mother-in-darkness, but in so doing found out what they were.

Her mother-in-darkness gave Ulrika a choice: either kill him or make him a bloodswain. Turning him was off the table, she was too young for that and the political ground was far too precarious for multiple reasons. She didn't want to kill him because no shit. She didn't want to bloodswain him because it breaks your will. The older vamp ended up snapping his neck.

>>55195726
No, but I imagine that would cause a lot of religious debate with nearby Estalia and Tilea, who worship a /fit/ not-brown girl.

So, does vampirism actually twist the mind in WHFB?

>>55195776
There have been like 3 separate invasions of Ulthuan where Malekith marched alongside Daemons and WoC

He wants to undo the great vortex which holds Chaos back.

He might not THINK he's allied with Chaos, and might fight them sometimes, but Morathi is very much a hidden Slaaneshi cultist who's doing the Gods work

>>55196230
In the lore? Yes, because you basically become a Dhar conduit. That's going to fuck with your soul.

In the crunch, I don't think so. But WHRP asserts that vampires are pretty picky about who they turn anyway - whoever is worthy of the gift has to be up to par with their tastes, and they don't really care if someone's good or kind.

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>>55195664
Its all about dwarf superiority those days, see Dwarf Fortress, i want pointy eared wank.

>>55196230
Yes, but it's subtle. Moral compunctions fall by the wayside, turning can cause insanity, overfeeding can cause insanity, not feeding can cause insanity, age can cause insanity...being infused with dhar constantly tends to twist their thoughts along darkling routes.

Still, a vampire shares memories, opinions, and the general personality of the person they were before being turned. Some vampires are fairly amiable, like Countess Gabriella.

>>55196230
it's derived from black magic, so yeah. Has a corrupting influence

Only guy strong enough to resist the influence of Dhar and make it its bitch is Nagash

>>55196312
The Dhar corrupted the fuck out of Nagash.

>>55196411
As if you could tell the difference.

>>55196289
God, imagine how horrible it would be for someone who was turned against their will. Slowly feeling theirself crumbling away, their very soul being lost to them.

How long could one go feeding off, say, beastmen or Orcs instead of humans?

>Nagash
>Morathi
>Malekith
>Teclis
>Balthasar Gelt
>Ikit Claw
>Mazamundi
>Ariel
>Wurrzag

who are top 3 magic users here?

>>55196698
Azhag.
Piefer.
Skragg.

>>55196411
Nagash was evil to begin with, he pretty much uses Dhar as a means to an end. Not taking orders from anything but himself.

See the other dhar users:

Chaos Sorcerers are enslaved to the Gods even if they don't realize it

Morathi/Dark Elf sorcerers are pretty much slaaneshi cultists

Skaven grey seers/warlock engineers are slaves to the Horned Rat

Vampires are basically Nagash' afterbirth and often end up enslaved to their own dark power

>>55196698
Mazdamundi is the strongest, Teclis is second, Nagsh can range from third to being the strongest depending on how close he is to becoming ET death god tier. Morathi and Malekith are probably fourth and fifth, respectively.

>>55196698
Gonna say Nagash, Teclis, and Maza.

Also is Ikit Claw even a caster? I thought Warplock Engineers just got that in TT to easily represent some of their magi-tech gadgets rather then being proper spell casters.

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>>55195776
>I'm not sure Dark Elves and Chaos can really be said to be allied

They are generally not. Malekith's attitude towards Chaos in the lore switches between tolerance because he thinks he can control and manipulate it and seeing it as a great enemy that needs to be kept away.

Personally I never really liked the idea of Chaos worshiping Elves of any flavor. Plenty of Chaos factions already exist and the Elves have their own pantheon. But at the same time I don't approve of Morathi being reconned into a follower of an Elven god instead of Slaanesh. I just prefer my Dark Elves to worship Khaine.

>>55196748
>Vampires are basically Nagash' afterbirth and often end up enslaved to their own dark power
I'd say vampires are slaves to their own thirst for human blood. It's the entire reason most vampires are evil, as vampirism itself doesn't rob you of your humanity, rather it's the decades, if not centuries of needing to see humans as thick juicy steaks in order to survive.

>>55196795
>Also is Ikit Claw even a caster?

He's described as one of the most powerful Skaven sorcerers ever, though yeah his magic manifests via technology.

Krisit the seerlord is probably the strongest skaven conventional magic caster

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>>55196637
>How long could one go feeding off, say, beastmen or Orcs instead of humans?

Forever, but it's unpleasant and unsatisfying and a route to becoming a strigoi eventually. Involuntary turning does happen, usually for the irony factor, but sometimes because the vampire is obsessed with a mortal.

I still like the idea from a few threads back of a Lahmian and a hunter in a sort of high-tension dance of death, each trying to kill one another but occasionally working together against much worse threats and developing troubling feelings concerning the other.

>>55196637
I don't actually know. I do know that the less quality the blood, the worse the vampire seems to suffer. You can see that with Strigoi, since they had to live off of recently dead corpses, animals and ghouls for so long. I imagine the Greenskins might not have the best blood, and beastmen might have chaotic taint.

>>55196937
When Ulrika feeds on a warrior of Chaos, it nauseates her and she can feel the taint in the blood. That said, there's nothing that I know of saying a vampire can't feed on Chaos-tainted life forms. Might be a personal allergy.

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Just what makes night goblins different from normal goblins, I know they are drugged to fuck, but is that it?

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I'm reading the Neferata books at the moment.
Is it bad I read all her dialogue as Eliza from Skullgirls?

>>55196966
It's mainly that night goblins lives in caves/mountains and goblins live in forests/wilderness.

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>>55196817
The main reason I like the idea of any Chaos worship among elves is to show that they aren't immune to the touch of Chaos. But I don't need a Slaanesh cult at the center of Dark Elf society for that. I just need some stragglers and secret cabals.

Temporary alliances between Dark Elves and WoC can be explained with joining up to fight a common foe, managing to bribe Chaos tribesmen, or the Dark Elves manipulating them from a distance or through secret deals. I imagine they do the last one with a fair few rebellions and civil wars, since Malekith seems to be a 'strike at the friend of my enemy and manipulate the enemy of my enemy' sort of ruler.

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Alright anons, let's chew over the argument of the Bretonnian fleet one more time.

I was reading through Barony of the Damned when I came across the story of the Pirate's Grave, and most notably the mention of Bretonnian ships using cannons in pic related's paragraph. It's almost nothing, just a throwaway line, but it's the first real bit of description of any sort of the Bretonnian navy that I can recall since Man O' War.

>>55197194
Seems pretty clear cut to me, Bretonnians use guns at sea.

WFRP 2e actually makes mention of merchants buying a rather lot of guns and cannons in Bretonnia as of late, which seems to be a nod to the old dickless Revolutionary France era of Bretonnia.

Bretonnian commoners and paid mercenaries will get handguns and cannons in certain situations, it's just not something any self-respecting noble would use.

IIRC there are bits of lore about Marienburg selling Bretonnians gunpowder weapons

>>55195935
I'm going to go ahead and take a gander that it's not published in any rulebook that anyone on this general gives a shit about.

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Rate my list, /wfg/.

---------------WE'Z GOBBOES
2000/2000

LORDS 275/1000

Skarsnik

HEROES 225/1000

Night Gobbo BSB 55

x2 Night Gobbo Shamens 170

CORE 560/500+

50 Night Gobboes 255
-Netters (45)
-2 Fanatics (50)
-Standard (10)
-Spears

20 Night Gobboes 85
-shortbows
-Fanatic (25)

20 Night Gobboes 85
-shortbows
-Fanatic (25)

30 Night Gobboes 135
-Netters
-Spears

SPECIAL 660/1000

2x15 Squighoppers 360

SQUIGHERD: 9 squigs,6 gobboes. 90

6x Spear Chuckas 70

RARE 280/500

Doom Diver Catapult 80

2x Mangler Squigs 130

Snotling Pump Wagon 70
-Rolla
-Out-rigga

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>>55197194
>>55197447

I honestly think the main reason most Bretonnian armies don't make use of guns all that often is cost. A gun isn't cheap in this time period, and you're giving it to a peasant because knights are expressly forbidden from using that shit. So, you can give this expensive and difficult to maintain gun to a peasant...OR, you can take on another knight for the same cost. Meanwhile, give that same peasant a piece of wood and some string and they can support the knight you just took on for practically no additional cost. Sure, it has no stopping comparative power, but just get a whole bunch of them. Not like Bretonnia is going to run out of string, wood, or peasants anytime soon. Hell, even siege weapons can be cheaped out: put some wood together at the directions of a modestly smart peasant and some chunks of rock. The learned peasant isn't cheap per se, but the kind of learning a peasant needs to manage a cannon is far more costly.

Meanwhile, literally none of that applies at sea. With perhaps the interesting exception of pegusus knight carriers for some hardcore boarding actions, knights can't really put their melee skills to use as sea. So, they go all out because why not? The coasts have to be kept safe, after all.

Who wants to talk about TACTICS?

What's the most TACTICAL thing you've done?

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>>55198105

> bows are just string and wood

To outfit your army, the peasants will need to have bows themselves, if they're being raised in the classic feudal style, with no way for the Lord to exempt themselves through payment. They will need to find time in their busy schedules to make a bow and a supply of arrows. Which they don't, because they don't have the time it takes to practice with a bow and get good with it, the strength to use a good one because they're chronically malnourished, and definitely don't have the time or skill to make as many arrows as a proper fletcher could.

Speaking of fletchers, they made bank. Sources put a master fletcher's wages at over 30 lbs a year in 14th century England. Each arrow had to be made by hand, and you needed hundreds of the fuckers, getting twine, actually good solid wood necessary for creating a well-balanced arrow, and so on.

So no, it was not cheap or easy to outfit a peasant with a bow and call it a day. The primary reason guns overtook bows was because they were cheaper, and easier to use.

>>55198105
>>55197447
Guns are mechanically worthless in WFRP 2e. Even if you made them cost the same as bows, they're still much worse. Maybe that's why they're not using them.

>>55198190
Well if you're relying on poorly trained, malnourished peasants as your military, you're pretty fucked regardless of how they're equipped. Since we're taking bretonnian peasant levies though, it would likely be on them to provide their own weapons, with the relatively expensive bow giving you a batter chance of returning home to give said bow to your son so hopefully he can survive when he gets drafted. Kind of depends on Bretonnias policy on bows and their use when not in service to some lords army.

>>55198190
>busy schedules
Were peasants really that busy? It's not like they enormous fields in which they have to plant shit year round, at some point they just have to wait for it to grow.

Lazy fucks.

>>55181500
>https://mega.nz/#F!9Lw1WIRZ!eKxkOlAQwuZO3_8pHOK-EQ

Recommend me the best novel for someone to start reading? There are a ton.

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>>55198176
>fly my hippogrpy lord next to my enemy's warplighting cannon to spook him
>he turns his stormvermin unit with queek around to face him
>i just fly over them
>they have to and preposition for 2 turns
>I gun them and the warplighting cannon down

>>55198190
>tfw early guns were pretty shit
Lucky Empire got Dorf help. Even their guns are better than the shit some unfortunate super early people had.

>>55197876
It's in 8th, so you're right.

>>55197935
Shooty/10, will get stomped 'ard in melee and outshooting it isn't much of a problem for anyone that isn't chaos.

>>55198495
Gotrek and Felix

>>55194305
Link to that thread?

>>55192979
>>55193009
>>55193421
>>55195300

Thanks. Some resources online state that they were initially meant to be the nazis of the Warhammer world. There are some similarities, especially with the Moulder weird experiments and the Skryre wunderwaffen but otherwise the connection seems pretty weak.

>>55199526
Yeah, their main theme swings between 'kooky comic relief' and 'the horror of giant plague rats eating you alive'.

>>55192986
Yes, Vermintide itself with its characters is canon. Since the game was a success GW made them canon.

>>55197935
More fanatics.

>>55196980
Books? I thought there was only the one?

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>>55196795

>>55197194
RPG fluff should be disregarded.

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>>55196990

>>55200198
GW doesn't talk about Warhammer anymore, so no they didn't.

>>55197935

glhf

>>55201527
Yes they did, the Vermintide Devs announced it proudly themselves. It may be the last thing GW did something for fantasy.

>>55201658
Source?

>>55198318
>Provide their own weapons

By the Lady, no! Their weapons are commissioned through artisans paid by the Lord and their weapons are the property of said Lord, save in cases of Lords who literally provide nothing and field troops of men-at-arms with farming tools and bowmen with a motley mix of hunting bows and perhaps even slings.

>>55201699
And what would a peasant need a hunting bow for, hmm?

Master-at-arms! Clap these men in irons, I want them all hanged before the day is out.

>>55198190
Planting a harvest isn't a 24/7/365 job. Peasants can and do have time to practice, which is why Bretonnians snowmen have an average ballistic skill instead of a subpar one (like their WS).

>30 gold a year
>expensive for a noble

Thats not even half the cost of a single gun in the core book.

Guns overtook bows because eventually it eventually became more effective to have a professional army trained in their use, not because you could hand out guns to schlubs on the cheap.

>>55198478
I honestly don't understand how farming works, but part of the peasant's vow is that they're to work on every day but holidays. So I imagine that if the peasants aren't doing much work in the fields, they're going to be forced into maintaining roads or building houses or something. I'd be a pretty generous lord that'd give his peasants a lot of free time for only the most basic work.

>>55202365
Bows are simply more skill-intensive, and those arrow costs add up. Eventually you were being out-firepowered by crossbows and guns, too, and bows with massive draw weights required even more skill and strength to use effectively.

Good time to be an English yeoman, though.

>>55202497
All you have to train to do is shoot out to ranges. You could train to do that if you practiced the bow for an hour or so each day. English Longbowmen were a levy, after all.

>arrow costs add up
Bullets add up faster.

>>55203537
>how to make bullet
drop hot lead in water, black powder is also easy to manufacture

>how to make arrow
get a skilled craftsman to cut and polish the shaft, fit a quality fletching and a steel arrowhead forged by a smith

>>55203632
You can't just drop a chunk of lead into water and call it a day. At best it has to fit very certain and specific dimesions, and at worse there's no standardization and it has to be custommade to fit each firearm. And consequence of screwing this up is that your firearm misfires, rendering it useless for an entire battle and possibly forever. AND it might injure or kill you.

We're pretty far off the original topic, though. Which is that bows are WAY cheaper than the guns available in the warhammer world which start at 200 gold for a single-shot pistol and can get up into the 600 range for the really handy stuff.

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>>55203632
Come on anon, even I know that you have to at least use a mold to make sure the shot is the right shape. Granted, it is something that someone could easily do on their own if they had the resources, but that's assuming you have the mold - and black powder is probably far harder to make and gather resources for.

But at the same time, it's not like someone making their own arrows on their own is impossible. The fletching is probably the hardest part, but at least in theory I could see a peasant tying a stone tip to their arrow instead of waiting for an iron or steel one.

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What'd happen to a vampire who tried to drink from a Chaos Dragon?

>>55204407
Well, taking into account >>55196956, it'd probably be nasty as fuck. Might make you puke it all back out again. If you can hold it and let it pass, though, you'd be cured of needing to drink blood ever again.

>>55204569
Or your entire circulatory system decides it's had enough and leaves.

>>55181735

Yup. We built a table on one of our friends home

>>55189589
anybody able to help me out?

>>55190091

fast units usually can't bog down things.

>>55204607
>>55204569
Didn't Vlad drink from some Nurgling and become terminally ill?

>>55192554

Deathmaster snikch was implied to be more than one skaven, as in "all eshin clanmaster are called deathmaster snikch". This is also how it works with Lord Skrolk, as the current one is either the 4th or the 6th lord skrolk.

Grey seer have an innaturally long lifespan, due to warpstone and things.

The council of 13 are all immortal due to the blessing of the horned rat.

Some moulder clan rats can regenerate their flesh.

Techsorcery on the behalf of the skyrie also helps,

>>55193063

actually this has been quite expanded on. Skaven backstabbying is directly related to the environment.

Take for example a stormvermin regiment, following a chieftain, into skavenblight.

There will be no backstabbing or undermining while into skavenblight, as there are other skaven, of different clans, and therefore they need to stay united in faction.

In their stronghold, instead of presenting as an united group, there will be small cliques of 6-7 stormvermin fighting for supremacy. If one of these cliques wins out, the members then start infighting among themselves, etc.

>>55195267

Ikit claw was alive during the skaven civil war, which makes him over 750 years old

>>55196698

Thanquol is far, far more powerful than Ikit. He held off Teclis and is (in-so-far) the only being that can pull demons into the materium against their will.

>>55196795

One of the pet theories about ikit is that he is a renegate seer, since he was white furred and is over 500 years old

>>55197935

more fanatics. more doom diver catapult

>>55203632
> black powder
> easy to manufacture

Sure, if you want shitty black powder. Doing it right takes a a lot of resources with renaissance era tech.

The RPG incorporates this into the game. The cost for an arrow is 2.4 brass pennies, while the cost for a bullet and the shot to fire it is 37.2 brass pennies, or over three silver per shot.

So yeah, bows are cheaper.

>>55204857
Yeah, but they're kinda a special case, on account of it not being so much the chaos as the plagues and shit in him.

Is there any sites that can be used to identify miniatures? I got a job lot, some half painted, some unpainted, and some really well painted.. But they look nothing like any else I find from the old 4e (I think) era of sets.

I assume they're Warhammer since it came with a boxed Bretonnian Archer an a polystyrene box of Lancers, but the halberdiers with full plate armor and bascinets, but don't look like anything I find on google. I'm sure there's a mix of Heroic Fighters of the Old World, some wood elves and similar stuff that I can't nail down.

>>55205377
www.solegends.com is one place, http://www.collecting-citadel-miniatures.com might be another.

Lots of small squads or a few big squads?

>>55201693
Sorry that it took so long.
Here is an article with an Inverview confirming it and a steam discussion where a dev does it too.
They confirmed it on multiple occasions and 1d4chan has it too,

http://www.thisisxbox.com/interview-martin-wahlund-fatshark-vermintide/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/235540/discussions/1/610575007222788820/

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/The_End_Times:_Vermintide#Setting

>>55195318
>malekith
>the first son
>not the third

>>55205989
I think the phrasing more like 'the son of the First Phoenix King' rather than 'the First son of the Phoenix King.'

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Thoughts on a wannabe Blood Knight having to drain a Sun Dragon? Like, is it a good idea or no, and why?

>>55206184
Well, are Sun dragon's magically connected to the Sun somehow? i don't know much about them.

>>55181500
Can anyone suggest some skaven novels, are the Thanquol ones worth reading?

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>>55206350
I've been debating this up and down with a friend of mine, apparently Sun dragons are only found on Ulthuan. So, they'd have to go there and hunt one down, probably seriously pissing off the Caldorians in the process.

I think that, maybe, the one this character wants to go and kill could either be a wild dragon or one that's gone feral after its master was killed. But my friend keeps pushing that they should try and drain a chaos dragon instead, which to me sounds like a bad idea.

So, I came here.

>>55206184
That seems like an excessively demanding quest for what amounts to a fairly mid-level reward. I mean, if every blood knight had to slay a dragon to become a knight, there wouldn't be any dragons left.

Slaying and drinking the blood of a dragon sounds more like a feat expected of a vamp who is already a blood knight and is looking to become master of a knightly order or even get awarded a noble title of his own.

>>55204857
Only because it was carrying a specially-engineered anti-vampire disease. And that was ET stuff, too.

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>>55195318
Arent you.... forgetting someone?

>>55206581
It's kind of a special case here, related to my line of questioning about someone being turned against their will. Basically, this person is desperate to be rid of the curse, or at least the thirst, and so Abhorash sends them on this quest.

>>55202486
>they're to work on every day but holidays
There were a lot of holidays.

>>55206539
The Chaos Dragon might cause severe insanity. If the vampire is warpstone-weak, that might trigger, too.

>>55206690
Bretonnians have what, six holidays? Probably a dozen or so more if you include some holidays practiced more widely for Taal or Morr or what have you. Out of a 400-day year, that's not much.

>>55205855
I concede. Thanks.

>>55205855
It kind of cheapens the idea of an overwhelming threat when four skilled but otherwise random dudes can mow down thousands of them and single-handedly foil an invasion.

>>55208216
Not really. Skaven are notoriously backbiting and incompetent when faced up against brave, skilled heroes. Half the Gotrek books are based on this.

>>55208216
They're REALLY skilled though. Sometimes powerful heroes just happen from a life of extreme hardship. They don't always need to be born under the twin-tailed comet.

>>55208216
Eh, heroes happen.

Gotrek & Felix, when you get right down to it, were just two guys. But they've fought their way through incredible odds. Same goes for guys like Malus.

>>55208216
This is a left 4 dead clone and gameplay naturally takes precedence over plot logic. Not sure GW really cares that much anymore since the whole setting is officially dead.

>>55208216
I think the lesson to learn from this is that the Skaven are best when they take others by surprise, but when caught flatfooted themselves they get fucked over.

>>55208216
Don't champions of Chaos mow down hordes of Imperial troops regularly though? Unless Chaos is a (Gary Stu)^2, balance indicates there should be an equivalent on the other side.

>>55208495
I suppose so. It just kind of flies against that idiotic meme of the higher-ups of the empire keeping their existence a secret so that people won't despair and panic. What the fuck are they afraid of?

>>55209211
The average civillian would be scared shitless. Are you not afraid of a crazed murderer because you know a team of commandos would be better than him?

>>55209211
Everyone who's not the PCs in that game, including Empire soldiers, are fucking massacred by the Skaven. Of course they'd be scared shitless, their odds of survival are fucking nil.

>>55209245
If I lived in a world where greenskin waaaghs and demonic invasions occur every generation or so that would just be one of many things on my "to worry about" list.

>>55209359
Yeah, your average peasant knows about them, too.

>>55209359
Greenskins don't live under your toilet, daemons have to march down from the north in 99% of cases. Both are on the otherside of some very thick, very defended walls.

Skaven not only bypass both of those, they're doing it RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

>>55209359
The Skaven are already underneath you though, waiting to strike.
Orcs and daemons and such at least have batter down your city's walls to get at you.

>>55209211
They're afraid of mass panic.
>>55209532
And yet I have to think there is an effective solution that is better than "do nothing".

Namely, they could fill the tunnels with flammable natural gas and set it aflame, killing most of the skaven and keeping the foundations of the city above from crashing down. It would also help if they blocked up the sewers and then did that, so that the oxygen in the tunnels would burn up as well.
Or the higher-ups could fluff it as "These beastmen are attempting to take our sewer system! By Sigmar we must push them out!" and not reveal that the skaven have been there for years already.

Don't the Skaven have some kind of spell they use that hides the minds of humans they cast every generation or so?

>>55209601
Trying to secretly burn out the Skaven is impossible. Hell, openly doing it might be. It sure as shit will turn into a tunnel battle, and even dwarfs lose those against Skaven with regularity.

Any action against the Skaven undercities is going to draw an apocalyptic amount of attention from the rest of the Under-Empire, and they can bring in reinforcements by train. Worse, all of their infighting would drop as they unify against the threat. It would be Bad News Bears.

>>55209817
Then why has no all-out assault been inflicted against Skavenblight? It's not exactly hard to find. How have they been allowed to keep that foothold when the Empire has supposedly been staging a secret spying war with the Skaven? It's sandwiched between Tilea, Bretonnia, and Estalia.

>>55209948
Skavenblight is in the middle of a swamp no one goes into because it's noxious and dangerous as fuck and fucking gigantic.

>>55202486
>part of the peasant's vow is that they're to work on every day but holidays
Fun fact: A medieval peasant had more holidays/days off than a modern person do.
However a peasant family also had to be practically self-reliant which meant that they had alot of busywork besides growing and harvesting crops. On the positive side this also meant that they quickly became a Jack-of-all-trades.

>>55210241
their trades being extremely simplistic compared to modern equivalents.

>>55210102
It's accessible by sea.

>>55210241
I still wonder how Bretonnia keeps up any level of industry though. Who makes all the armor, writes the rare books, things like that. It seems weird to me that nobles might be the most educated, since they seem so martially focused and wouldn't have time for science experiments and crafts. But I guess you can just assume that the average Bretonnian city is like a smaller Imperial one or something.

>>55210448
A lower level of artisan craftsmanships.

>>55210390
It's not readily accessible to plebs.

>>55210448
All male nobles have the title of "knight", but of course not all of them become martial combatants. Certainly, only nobility would have access to the kind of resources it would take to become trained as an armorer or weaponsmith. Peasants aren't even allowed to OWN a weapon designed to fight armored opponents. The only advantage peasants have is that they, unlike the nobility, are allowed to use ranged weapons.

>>55210448
I imagine noble women and SOME men in some cases (all men must be soldiers, but that rule is lightly enforced). Peasants are also specifically selected and given education and employment in higher trades (and then indebted to pay it back). Most don't mind this because it means a higher standard of living and a guaranteed future for their kids. One example in the RPG are the Wall Wardens.

>>55210102
This, and again the main weakness of the skaven is their infighting and backstabbing. Any existential threat is going to unify them and then you're fucked.

>>55210476
Actually the opposite. Bretonnians suck as mass-producing, but their overall quality is higher than the Empire's.

>>55210565
Knights are forbidden from practicing a trade. As for the resources, those lie in the hands of wealthy investors, merchants and nobles alike, who can afford to be the patron of a skilled tradesman. This will include his apprentices, who basically act as both his labor and students if they're good enough. Becoming apprenticed to one is probably rare as fuck for your average peasant, but for those with money or those who live nearby, it's far from impossible.

>>55211253
>but their overall quality is better than the empire
>uses older and inferior equipment all around.
>lower level of technological sophistication overall in every level of their society.
>high quality stuff is basically enchanted elf items.

>>55211299
I think the idea is they still make old swords and books and shit, but the quality of those swords is great, and the books are illuminated and a lot better technically than printed ones that are made a lot cheaper and quicker.

I like the idea that the Bretonnians have an almost elf or dwarf-like mindset towards 'making the perfect thing,' but their lifespan can't keep up with their dreams, so they take generations perfecting chainmail and finally starting on plate, while another group adamantly sticks with chainmail, and yet another group is trying to perfect brigantine over chainmail instead of just chainmail or moving on to plate - while the Empire has already moved on to full gothic plate that they've made good enough.

>>55209211
You don't think it'd cause mass panic to tell the civilians that there are hordes of rat men that live beneath several major cities and are looking for every opportunity to emerge and fucking kill everyone?

>>55211299
It's specifically noted in the "Knights of the Grail" WHFRPG book that when a Bretonnian smith makes a sword, he endeavors to make the best sword he possibly can, rather than make the most money he can.
This implies that the Empire's smiths would settle for less-than-perfect craftsmanship if it saved them some money. In game terms, I would take this to imply it's the difference between a Good craftsmanship sword and a Best craftsmanship sword, respective to the Empire and Bretonnia.

>>55210448
>I still wonder how Bretonnia keeps up any level of industry though. Who makes all the armor, writes the rare books, things like that.

The same as was the case in Feudal Europe

Knights/Lords are responsible for arming themselves and their vassals. In exchange for payment or services, they will have blacksmiths make weapons for them and their men-at-arms.

As for books, monks were the main source of knowledge and literacy in the feudal era. I would imagine the Damsels play a similar role in Bretonnia.

Nobles are well-educated (compared to Peasants) because they are given tutors by their wealthy estates.

The real question you should be asking is how Bretonnia can stand up to The Empire. A 17th century tercio-style european army would rape feudal knights so bad it isn't funny.