EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>55176672
All it will do it increase the frequency of superfriends decks. So yes, this was a fucking horrible decision.

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>>55176672
I love it!

>>55176672
No, because I don't have any Planeswalkers. Sold them all off. Boring card type, almost as boring as most creatures and auras.

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>tfw when my decks never get upboats on tappedout

>>55176672
Could you guys give me a hand?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-09-17-yLY-inalla-edh/

>>55176872
Happens over time naturally if you put it in a tight enough deck box like a satin tower.

Asking in new bread. For those of you who double sleeve, how do you go about removing pockets of air from the sleeve?

>>55176908
>>55176902

>>55176902
Thank you, anon. I ordered a Vault V2, so I might need to get something tighter depending on how it fits.

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>>55176788

>tfw people care about that sort of thing

>>55176908
Press down on them.

I guess now I don't have to pick between Wildspeaker and Primal Hunter.

So I made a Depala deck and it's really sad, more sad than my Kalemne. I think it might be worse than my Ramirez deck.

What's better Tragic Slip or Never//Return? I like that Never//Return can hit Planeswalkers and can give me a token from the grave but it's a Sorcery.

>>55176908
Got any heavy text books from college? Split your deck into piles of 25 and put the book on top of them. Or 10 piles of 10 if you want I just wouldn't recommend 2 piles of 50.

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I've been thinking of a few different ways to brew Tishana, from merfolk tribal to mostly blue control. I was wondering if anyone had ideas on how to use I guess side effects of her abilities to help win the game.

And if anyone is planning on using her, what kind of strategy are you going for?

And Ixalan full art lands?

>>55176788
Link them so I can upreddit you.

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>>55176788
>tfw decks are all private so people can't steal my spicy builds

>>55177026
>>55177026
you could do group draw with her pretty well. overall i think the fact that she costs 7cmc makes it not a fun idea though. they shouuld have removed the spellbook ability and made her cost 5.

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>>55177045
I'm actually looking for help with this deck because I feel like everything but the lands and artifacts needs tuning.

I'm just kind of sad that no one ever comments to leave suggestions.

>>55177104
Shit I forgot to post the link

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/30-08-17-in-your-head/

>>55176979
PW are easier to deal with than indestructible creatures, and Tragic Slip can get those.

>>55176672
>Do you give a crap about the change to PWs (making them Legendary). Why or why not?
i like that my atraxa super friends deck got slightly better with it

>>55176672
>Do you give a crap about the change to PWs (making them Legendary). Why or why not?
Well seeing as playing a PW is like inviting everyone at the table to kill it in my meta it does not really bother me cause i do not use them anyway.

>>55177114
so what is the plan? just tutor for things and make zombies? blood combo?

>>55177162
I was just thinking life gain and zombies. I'm not really sure what all mono black Sidisi can pull off honestly.

So, I've been pondering the idea of making Nekusar, mostly building off the wizard precon as I'd be able to swap decent portions of the deck between Inalla and Nekusar.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nekusar-first-build/

Is current decklist bar the lands, any suggestions for any tweaks? I was thinking of putting in a little more general punisher cards so its not ful wheels within wheels even if theres a lot of wheels, maybe taking out one or two of the more defensive creatures to make room for them.

>>55176672
>Thread question
its gay AND retarded
pws shoulda been its own speshul snoflake type

>>55177180
for me deck building is all about weaving a web of interconnectivity. to me your deck seems a bit disparate. and lifegain isn't really good without a related wincon.

>>55177067
same here friendo

>>55176892
The deck depends on your meta and how spikey it is. My recommendations would be adding the following regardless:
Galecaster Colossus
- Protects all of your wizards from removal and having essentially another copy of Cyclonic Rift is never a bad thing.
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
-smooths out your draws at the cost of pitching cards for later (Kess fodder), and can kill a creature here or there.
Viscera Seer
-Gives you a way to use those tokens, Maximum efficacy!
Sundial of the Infinite
-stops the tokens from leaving the battlefield since it ends the turn and ends all effects immediately.

From what I see, the the deck is trying to be too many things at once. The out-of-the-box deck isn't too focused and is based off "good stuff wizards." Try smoothing out a clear strategy, like if you're going to use Kess, Inalla, or Mairsil.

>>55177136
What're you adding?

>>55177257
I see. So should I cut out a good chunk of the lifegain than? What should go in it's place? More zombie cards?

>>55177290
I really like to use Inalla and ETB effects, but all these wizards have useful and neat abilities

>>55177302
you could just make the whole deck graveyard recursion and graveyard matters with a few combos and symmetrical removal? it's really up to you. but lifegain is pointless if it doesn't do something else.

>>55177294
its just the ability to play more than one jace at a time for instance

>>55177400
Right, already were in the deck and then Wizards got crazy.

>just bought the grixis wizards precon
>so many commanders I can't even
>fucking azami, marchessa, Vela, and nin
Holy cow I just made a great choice. They reprinted some useful things, although the deck looks ass out of the box.

>>55177114
Are you going full combo? Sidisi is pretty much tutor up the other half of my combo and win, if thats the case get nim deathmantle for grave titan, add mikaeus and triskelleon or just google mono black infinite combos and put them all in, whatever piece you play before playing sidisi use her to get it and end the game turn 6

>>55176672
>Thread question
Aside from the rule change letting me have different versions of the same walker out at once, not really.

>>55177452
>triskelleon

Why triskelion?

>>55177515
How do you not know Mike & Trike, that's like the day 1 infinite combo of EDH

>>55177540
Sorry I just got it.

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>8/25/2017 If Mairsil has a crew ability, creatures can crew Mairsil. It'll become an artifact creature, but its power and toughness remain unchanged.

>>55177114
Contamination so all lands only produce black and pestilence to keep the board clear

>>55177515
>bust a cap in two niggas at once
>or bust a cap in a nigga twice
>then bust a cap in yourself
>black mike got yo back nigga
>shieeeeeeeet
etc

>>55177290

Galecaster cannot protect your wizards from removal, he only bounces your opponent's stuff

Still a great wincon for a wizard deck though

>>55177569
Triskellion has to shoot itself twice, otherwise the combo dies.

>>55177555
l-lewd

>>55177555
However you cannot equip or fortify with a Mairsil who has been exiling silly things like Darksteel Garrison.

>>55177586
I'm not seeing it.

>>55177114
Leyline of the void and helm of obedience for maximum keks

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squirrels

>>55177613
Read Mikaeus. Very carefully.

>>55177337
Personally, I would first take the cards that would point you towards storm since you're going to be a more creature heavy deck. That would include:
Izzet Chemister
Magus of the Mind
Kess is an exception since you can use her ability to get you value with some of the spells you want to be playing from the grave. Kess also combos with Dead-Eye since it will reset her ability when she ETB (granted if you have enough mana to do all of that.)

Marchesa is also a weird inclusion since she kinda energizes with the non-token wizards, but I feel like she is just a little slow for the deck, She also requires you guys to be dying-- something you probability don't want happening often.

Vindictive Lich isn't particularly good since it's ability is a death trigger, the token exiles itself so there's no trigger.

>>55177629
Ah, thanks.

>>55177634
Merchesa also has this masochistic tendencies where you have to nuke your own life total when you're on the throne to get proper value out of her, have seen this happen before

>>55177655
Remember that if someone goes to Mike and Trike, always ask them to walk through it. A lot of people will screw it up because of that.

If you could use a non-legendary creature as commander, what would you choose?

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>>55177684
This, might as well be playing Marchesa if that was the case.

>>55176908
They flatten naturally over time and in storage.

>>55176672
>Thread Question
I don't think it will affect my meta but it seems pretty fucking dumb

>>55170966
>that card
Boros is suffering.

>>55174979
>Sheldon banning dumb shit and leaving real problems alive
>Being my god and savior
Shiggity diggity

He keeps banning the degeneracy I love and not the kind I hate.

>>55177625
I thought Segovia was the tiny plane?

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>>55177555
This is getting out of hand
Ill just stick to pic related for my commander

>>55177731
ixidron comes to mind

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nice block timmy, but you're still dead

>>55177731
Maybe Scourge of Kher Ridges.

>>55177762
>Boros is suffering
It's the starter deck planeswalker. There's no guarantee that the actual Ixalan version will be THAT garbage.

>>55177803
Stuff like this is why we're not allowed non-legendary commanders. I'm amazed it's legal at all in the format.

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>>55177917
>There's no guarantee
>real possibility that it's a 2 CMC walker

>>55177947
I like to think they learned from their mistake with Tibalt.

>>55177452
>add mikaeus and triskelleon

Does Walking Ballista work with Mikaeus?

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>>55177969
>wizards
>learn

>>55177983
only if you have a drainer (BA, Zula) out

>>55177947
Well then at least it won't cost six whole mana to cast.

On the subject of RW 'walkers, Ajani Vengeant's pretty swell.

>>55177249

Seconding this. Planeswalker uniqueness rule was a perfectly fine rule and one of the few things keeping us safe from Mono Gideons Guest Starring More Gideons. Rather than fuck with it, they should have fixed the idiotically obtuse damage redirection rule that constantly trips up newbies (by simply saying that planeswalkers count as players for the purposes of spells and abilities that target such, but cannot be affected by any spell effects other than damage or life loss as they have no hands, libraries, graveyards or permanents).

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Why does nobody who's in the colors uses this card? I think it's pretty good for 3 mana.

>>55177114
Use more tags so people can find it more easily, like "Budget", "Combo", "Control" etc.

>>55178105
My friend used to, but I haven't seen him use the decks it was in in a while.

>>55178133
How do I add tags? I still haven't figured that out.

Thoughts on Nin in the Inala deck? Is it worth copying and dealing 1 damage to her copied self to draw a card? What about her ability in general for draw power? Cut or keep?

>>55178148
I'm on a good mood today so I'll spoonfeed you:

>Edit deck
>Tags
>Add tags
>Save
>Once it's done press Alt+F4
>Delete system32

>>55178105
I like the card. The fact that it's not "whenever a creature you control" is what makes it decent.

Is the cat deck the reason nacatl war pride is $16

>>55176892
>>55177290
>>55177337
Okay, so i understand to make my deck better i have to swap out cards but what i'm having trouble with is identifying the cards to take out and how to select the ones to put in to gear myself towards my intended type of deck.
I think the problem is I see all these neat effects and have trouble putting aside the good stuff for the greater good.

Also should i find space to put in the guild signets?

>>55178294
Jesus you scared me. The foil is $16, regular's only $5. But yeah that's a spike up from the rare bin it was in, I assume it'll drop down in a little while because there honestly can't be that much demand but sometimes EDH prices do weird things. Also you should be able to find it for less at the moment before everyone's updated.

>>55178327
Guild signets are budget cards, depends on how much you want to spend. There are better rocks.

>>55178402
ah ok, i can spend, just not enough for those crazy expensive lands, what should i get

>>55178402
>cmc2
>colored mana
>comes in untapped
Doesn't get much better than that, signets are both cheap and good

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>>55177555

>>55176788
a lot of upvoted decks are utter garbage

Which creatures are good for Augustin IV? I don't want to put a lot of creatures in there, but I'm sure some "must" creatures.

Right now I'm thinking of Leonin Arbiter, Mindcensor, Thalia Heretic Catar, both magus of the tabernacle and moat.

>>55177768
It is. 1:100 scale. Kalonia is on Shandalaar, not Segovia.

>>55178708
Then what's with the giant acorns?

>>55178688
I'd guess Snapcaster if you've got one.

>>55178722
Nope, that's a bit out of my budget, but of course I would use him.

>>55178688
When in doubt, Windborn Muse and Grand Abolisher. Jin and creature Teferi maybe.

>>55176872
Squeeze all the air out of the perfect fit first

Put it halfway into the sleeve

Squeeze again

Push the rest of the way in then shuffle for hours or play some games

>>55178755
>shuffle for hours

>>55177731
Spellbreaker Behemoth

>>55178717
Kalonia has giant flora and fauna

>>55178739
As in, Jin-Gitaxias?

>>55178688
Tabernacle, Moat, Thalia 1 (Thalia 2 is OK), Chronatog can do work if you make turns toxic enough. Mindcensor and Arbiter aren't bad. Concecrated Sphinx, Elocutors, Felidar Sovereign, Psychosis Crawler, and lab man are decent wincons. You could also bring in his pal Hokori for an extra Winter Orb effect.

Anyone have any spicy reserve list cards?

>>55177983
If you have a sac outlet.

>>55178792
If we tell you, they'll be bought out.

>>55178782
Indeed!

>>55178201
How are you dealing one damage to her copied self? Are you just letting the original Nin die? If so, no, that's a terrible idea and incredibly mana inefficient.

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>>55178792
Fuck your tribal c17 jank

>>55178901
I love Homelands.

>>55178921
Lets not forget didgeridoo for minotaur tribal

>>55178901
I prefer Uphill Battle or Urabrask + Smoke to bog down the whole table.

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>>55177599
implying.

>>55178952
>minotaur tribal
>edh
Let me know how that's working out for you. No, seriously.

>>55177696
I must be absolutely retarded because I'm not getting this

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>>55178981
But anon, all my eldrazi are minotaurs

>>55178991
Trike is 1/1 naturally and isn't a human
Mike gives non-humans +1/+1
So trike is a 2/2 WITHOUT its counters if Mike is in play.

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>>55178961
I prefer noone to have creatures in the first place

>>55179053
If I could run Horobi in my Kumano deck I absolutely would.

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>>55179053
Pssh, why even let them cast the suckers? Kamigawa is the best

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who here #creaturebasedremoval ?

>>55179070
Isn't Darksteel Ingot indestructible?

>>55179093
Maybe that's why the card is still in tact despite being chewed on

>>55179093
that's why it keeps chewing on it

>>55178962
Sadly the gatherer text of licids won't give Mairsil the ability they do to enchanted creature. But he can become a noncreature aura to dodge spot removal or out of combat.

>>55178901
I cast paradox engine

>>55179032
Exactly. A ton of people miss this fact and think Trike only needs to shoot itself once. That's why you ask them to play the combo out instead of just scooping as soon as they put the cards down.

>>55179141
Yeah, it may be baby's first combo but it's easy to misplay. Another mistake: firing all three shots before passing priority rather than resolving each individually. You never know when somebody is going to step in and try to save Trike's life to get another turn.

>>55176672
>Thread Question
Not really, but I find it annoying in the same way that I find the current Legendary rule annoying. If I was in charge, the original Legend rule would be in effect. The one where the first one played had precedent and all others ate shit. Fucking competitivefags and their stupid Rebel decks ruined everything. Having grown up with the rule where Clones could double as kill spells tho, I'd settle for a return to that.

What do you guys think about worldgorger dragon in my reanimator deck?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/greatest-hits-remixed/?cat=type&sort=

I have Kiki jiki and 3 reanimation auras, so it would be easy to make infinite mana, but I would feel silly if I couldn't win from there. If you think I should try it, what should I cut?

>>55177555
The Reigning, Defending, Undisputed Jank Champion of the World

>>55177555
GET IN THE MAIRSIL NOW

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I've been trying to make decks and it always ends up going one of two ways: either it turns out to be absolute shit or I discover some incredible combo that I later find everyone is already aware of and the cards involved are overcosted as a result. Where the fuck is the middle ground?

>>55179245
Seems really useless right now where you can only win with Inferno Titan on the field.
You should definetly go for Worldgorger because you deperately need a combo wincon.
Grab Worldgorger, a target Draw X spell or a Fireball like spell and a Sunscorched Desert.

>>55179387
Frogposters live such unhappy lives.

There are three real stops on the EDH scale: Junk, Jank, and Competitive. Competitive is expensive, Junk is shitty. Jank builds a deck that's more than the sum of its parts; garbage cards that have overly complicated synergies with each other. You might hit a couple expensive cards that are also irreplacable, but if you work hard on your jank the result should be a deck that's not totally amazing, but also costs less than a gorillion dollars.

If you want cEDH power on a budget, your reach exceeds your grasp.

>>55179375
GET IN THE GODDAMN MAIRSIL SHINJI!

>>55179431

Wait I'm confused, worldgorger seems useless right now? Or what?

You're saying add it but only if I add an infinite mana sink or another damage etb like sunscorched desert?

That would give me inferno Titan, bogardan hellkite, and desert, so 3 hits, seems okay. I'm not crazy about just adding a random X spell that's only good if I have infinite mana, since then my combo is 3 pieces anyway and 2 of those pieces (worldgorger and the fireball) are shit outside the combo. Sunscorched desert seems reasonable though because there's not too much opportunity cost for playing it

>>55179431

I usually win with Kiki conscripts or people just scoop to Jin gitaxias, wouldn't be bad to have another combo win if Kiki gets exiled or something

>>55178836
Pay 1 inalla copy herself, her copy has haste, pay 3 to deal 1 damage to the copy before I have to sacrifice it so it dies and instead I draw a card. It's not the best but it's the only way I can imagine using her with inalla, I want to know if Nin has any value as a line card with no synergy, IE. Is her card draw valuable in this kind of deck? I'm thinking not.

>>55179587

That's not how the legend rule works, you don't sacrifice it, it immediately dies as a state based action before you get priority

>>55179587
>It's not the best
It's not legal is the problem. You need to have priority to activate Nin's effect, and the Legends Rule is a state based action which means it happens after the copy hits the battlefield and before you receive priority again.

>>55179587

Also you can deal as much damage as you want to a creature and draw that many cards, you are not limited to dealing damage only equal to the targets toughness

>>55179494
Fireball or Blue Sun Zenith like spells are better than they look like, they are not optimal but they get the job done and also work as wincon.
But yeah, they are not really needed to say so. If you want another wincon land try Shivan Gorge.

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>C17 preorder finally gets here today
>Opening up the Vampire deck
>mfw Edgar Markov's sick-ass foiling

I don't want to make a second Mardu deck, but Vampires Tribal plus including all the Curses sounds really fun to me

>>55179609
>>55179619
>>55179635
Interesting, I was told otherwise I'm regards to Niv Mizzet as well.

It still doesn't answer my overall question though - is Nin a shit card or not?

>>55179740
Use Nin with wall tribal

>>55179701
I know that feeling, man. Edgar looks fun as fuck, but after building Marduchesa Aristocrats I really don't want to invest into another deck in the same colors, especially after committing to Ur-Dragon.

>>55179740
Nin is a build-around card. She's not really going to be good in anything else but Nin doing Nin stuff with creatures like Stuffy Doll.

>>55179740
Nah,, you nuke the shit out of a 1/1 token you control and refill your hand at any time. She's like Skullclamp on crack.

>>55179765
Alright. Nin is out then. I might replace her with Dualcaster Mage.

>>55178387
>it took 10 years for people to realize how sweet this card is
Better late then never. Death to whoever did the buyout though, the price will drop down in a week though.

Empress Galina is already back down to 15 and she was 5$ a week ago before the spike/buyout.

>>55179070
Cute ingot but it can't destroy that card!

Someone mentioned Tabletop Sim in the last thread and I'm curious, how well does it play in VR? I've already got the game and I've got a Vive but I remember it being pretty shitty to use with a keyboard and mouse because of all the menus you need for simple shit. Surely natural movement of your hands helps, right?

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>don't really like the look any of the sultai commanders
>don't know if I should play dimir or simic

>go to store today after a few months of absence for Fatal Push promo from drafting
>turns out local (actual) autist got himself a Commander deck
>Nekuzar
>play 3-player round with him, an Inalla control deck and my own Atraxa Walker-less goodstuff deck
>doesn't run any group-based card draw
>barely runs any personal card draw
>only uses him because he wanted to play Dragons and Demons
>refills Inalla guy's resources to full after he used up all his hand to keep my shit off the board and left himself open apart from Azami and the new mirror by casting Day's Undoing, giving him 6 extra cards and resetting some of his key sorceries
>both lose 4 turns later due to Panharmonicon + Inalla + Puppeteer Clique
>mana rocks and Day's Undoing were literally the only cards the Nekuzar player cast that whole game

I'm not sure why I even expected anything but this from the guy's deck, considering he's so bad at magic he regularly pulls (sometimes several) mythic bombs during draft, drafts for free because he has no money and the owner just keeps the cards and helps him drafting and always places last, period.

Excuse the rant but this shit irritated me to no end, especially since he literally didn't even understand why what he did was a bad idea and how the Inalla guy ended up killing us.

>>55179832
I run it because it gives Kalemne an experience counter

>>55179323
My name is Paul Heyman!

>>55179919
I've only dabbled around with its VR mode when visiting my brother a while back to play some 40k with it. Worked pretty well, but acted a bit wonky while sitting down and navigating the table takes some getting used to. Definitely is worth giving a try, though, especially if you already own a vive.

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>>55179970
>considering simic

>>55179970
Dimir if you like spells or graveyard shenanigans.
Simic if you like turning cardboard sideways or micromanaging counters.

>>55180014

UG was never the issue, it was UGx, bant sultai and temur are the cancer color combos

>>55180058
This.

t. ex-Animar, ex-Derevi player

>>55180008
Thanks, I'll give it a shot then.

Currently assembling Inalla, finally grabbing a copy of every shock and each cheap fetch after years and planning to build Dinos in the future.

Mairsil's jankyness is really fucking tempting, however. How expensive would he generally be? Obviously, most of his interactions and dumb shit possible barely costs anything, but surely there have to be a few absolute staples that should be considered 100% of the time.

>>55179809
It's really sweet but I think it's just used for a couple EDH and kitchen table decks. And people will forget again.

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>>55179970
>Have a Golgari counters deck and Dimir Reanimator
>Want a Sultai deck too, just for Sultai Charm and Villanous Wealth

>>55179982
In defense of autists, a literal one used to come to the store I played at and he was average or a bit above average. He usually placed in the middle of our drafts.

>>55180093
>cast Villainous Wealth for X=9 hoping to hit a good card
>4 lands, 2 clones, 1 reanimator and 2 board wipes with no creatures anywhere

>>55180123
They're usually alright, true, but this guy is just abysmal.

He managed to place last on Kaladesh Pre-release with a GR deck containing both Gearhulks and Chandra that he built with the owner's help.

>>55180077
You need Anger and other ways to give Mairsil haste. Also look at Crackleburr, Leech Bonder, Knacksaw Clique, Merrow Grimeblotter, and Hateflayer. Ephemeron and Grinning Ignis are also nice.

>>55180077
I only kept him in to tie him to Nev's Disk, so I could just keep destroying the board and bringing him back from the grave with other cards (or bouncing).

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How long does it usually take Wizards to print and ship a new wave of product?

Wondering when I can expect Commander 2017 precons to not be fucking $40~$50.

I remember being able to buy 2013/2014's for like $20.

>>55179701
>preordered the edgar markov playmat
>still hasn't shipped because ultrapro hates europe

T..thanks.. I really like his artwork the most.

>>55180245
Steal the artwork and have a custom playmat place like inked playmats print you one but with better material :>

>>55180141
>2 copies of the best creature on the field and one thing out of your yard
>not good

As someone who runs Talent of the Telepath as a pet card, you gotta learn to appreciate average pulls, man.

What do people like about swarm and voltron decks? They all seem really bland and straightforward.

>>55180282
They're a very linear concept, leaving a lot of room for personalization once you've established a base. They're also usually more engaging to play than toolbox value shitfests that only want to masturbate.

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I'm getting some of my Yugioh friends into MTG, specifically EDH. Are the 2017 decks a good place to start?

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Looking for tips/ pointers/ advice on my current "tryhard" deck:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/firemind-artifacts/

>>55180282
I'll take that over non-stop tutor/draw/go

I picked up the vampire deck today as per the pointers you guys gave me last night. What are some cards that should get the boot immediately?

>>55180321
My friends and I all are big YGO fans, and we all enjoyed the C17 decks quite a lot.

>>55180352
Cut out some of the 5-drops. Edgar wants to come down early and have a lot of tokens to buff, so some of the smaller Vampires from the SOI block could be quite good for smashing face early. Also, pick up Brave the Sands for cheap vigilance for your tokens and being able to use them as a net when the crackback comes.

>>55180307
>>55180344
Do people really hate complexity and card interaction that much? I find drawgo and combo decks a lot more entertaining than durdly battlecruiser decks that just sit on whatever fat things they have for a bunch of turns with "creative" cards that all do the same few things.

>>55179832
That's why it's a chew toy.

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>>55176788
>tfw keep getting upboats out of nowhere

>>55180424
I never said those decks couldn't be complex. In many cases, a properly built one is quite intricate due to needing proper failsafes/alternative win conditions that can be accessed, and they have the upside of usually making early turns and tempo far more important than in other commander games. a Rafiq threatening an infect kill on turn 5 is much more exhilarating to play against than Momir Vig I-need-to-fap-with-cardboard toolbox.

>>55180424
>demonic tutoring for sanguine bond/exquisite blood is complex

>>55180260
What part of "no creatures anywhere" did you not understand?

>>55180481
>not stacking the reanimator spell first and then copying what you resurrected

>>55178585
>Tribal Knight EDH deck called Black Knights Matter
>ten gorillion upboats

Really it's all just "original" decks that get upvotes no matter how shit they are. You can pick a good general and browse through hundreds of cards but ruh-roh you used the internet instead of having encyclopedic knowledge of 25 years of cards so that's "netdecking" and can't upvote that

>>55180461
I can see where you're coming from, but I find the need for interaction and disruption to be held up to disrupt an Animar or Dralnu player from going off and the mind games that can be played with each player gauging threat levels and balancing setup/tutoring with leaving removal available much more interesting than the "I ramp, play a big creature, put boots on them, and start smacking face every turn" or "Hahaha look at all these goblins, man I'm so clever for running untap effects with Krenko". If it weren't for things like Remand + Fork effects or Reverberate + untap effects, Magic would be one of the worst card games out there.

>>55180475
>implying that you wouldn't just have that as a side combo for an alternate win condition
>implying a good control deck wouldn't have multiple wincon combos, with simple ones included that the pieces synergize with your other cards as well

Is there any reason to not use Urabrask the Hidden over Ogre Battledriver?

>>55179970
if you're going dimir go Lazav, he's fun

>>55180227
honestly who cares? all the upgrades spiked due to buyouts so unless you plan on playing the vanilla decks forever your going to be dumping at least 100 dollars into each deck to make them playable and honestly its more like 300 once the mana base is good

>>55180424
>tutor for the same combo every time
>complex

>>55180569
Oh no, I'm not saying for a minute that Tron/swarm decks shouldn't have removal or protection. That's just stupid. I'm saying that focus on tempo in EDH opens up entirely new lines of play and prediction for the whole table. There are very few games of EDH where creature beats/gradual grind-down of the table is a factor throughout the game, but the ones that are, are absolutely electric to both play and play against.

I also may or may not be biased from the sheer hilarity of regularly knocking out a Tasigur player in my meta with my new Nazahn brew.

>>55180631
The +2 lets you kill a player a turn early in a lot of cases. Both are quite strong, however.

>>55180400
That'll be tough, the deck has some pretty strong 5 drops, but I'll make it work. Need to shift some things to try and fit in a few combos and win conditions too so I have a few routes for victory other than swarm tactics. Maybe throw in some planeswalkers since they're free spells every turn.

>>55180657
>Have 20 different infinite combos with multiple overlapping pieces
>Protect yourself while assembling one of your combos, sometimes finding new synergies between the pieces that open up more lines of play

>>55180671
I've never seen an aggro deck do anything other than battlecruiser and whine about any attempts at interaction.

>>55180720
>20 different infinite combo
>in reality its just torturing 3 times for different cards
>literally just boils down to tutoring

nice mental gymnastics

>>55180720
kind of like how you're whining about decks attacking you?

>>55180720
no matter how clever you think you are for stalling with assorted defenses until you can pull out a kill, the people across the board have to be just as clever to break through those defenses to reach their kill condition

>>55180720
The other day I played a game with reanimator/control tasigur and combo/control azami at the table going against moderately upgraded cat aggro and vampire aggro.

I was playing azami and I drew tons of cards that game but ended up having to use so many resources shutting down tasigur and I flooded slightly on mana rocks and lands and wasn't able to combo off before dying to a cat token wearing 4 pieces of $1 equipment, and this was after tasigur had died to cats and vamps aggro.

The cat and vampire played ended up going at it for like 5 more turns because they had gained so much life from lifelink

I tell you this not to say that aggro is good in edh but just to illustrate that it's nice to have in your meta. In a normal game for us, it's combo/control vs combo/control vs pure combo etc, so people are rarely under any pressure. I would've won any normal game in our meta from my position because I had multiple Counterspells up constantly to prevent anybody from killing azami or boardwiping or comboing off, I would've just drawn my way out of any hole, but because we had 2 aggro players pressuring me it didn't work, and I appreciate having that in games.

>>55180515
>implying the graveyards weren't devoid of creatures too

>>55180693
Speaking of, is the vampire that transforms into a blue mist legal in a deck without blue?

>>55180787
I don't care about decks attacking me. I'm just confused as to why people enjoy Creatures: the Tappening.

>>55180924
No. Since they changed the double sided rulings to include both colors to make it possible to play the transforming Avacyn as a RW commander.

>>55180924
No, transform cards have the color identities of both sides. Elbrus is black, for example, because Withengar is black.

>>55180945
Because the combat step can be a very exciting experience. Have you never played Sealed before?

>>55180971
I have. I went to a few different prereleases. They were all pretty bland.

>>55180945

the irrelevance of combat math and combat tricks is one of the drawbacks of edh, limited can be very fun when combat is important

>>55180953
>>55180963
Fuck. Oh well I'm having trouble finding my copy anyway.

I've got to hand it to wizards on this one actually, making the vampire deck WRB is great since it allows you to play Sorins as well as the new crusader vampires from the upcoming set.

>10 year old at store asks us older players about wether he should keep using Yasova or switch to Surrak
>2 of us say that Surrak might be more fun for his "big good creatures" deck
>third guy says that he doesn't do anything and is way too slow and that Yasova is way stronger because of combos and upside potential
>say that if we go buy pure combo gimmick power Riku would be way better than her
>guy #3 claims that Riku is way too unfair and fast to be any fun to play against and does not make for fun games because it goes off for ridiculous results so early
>plays cheat-into-play Xenagos bringing Eldrazi titans with haste and 20+ Trample out by turn 3 or 4 consistently himself

>>55181105
Just tell him to run Animar.

>>55180953
>Since they changed the double sided rulings to include both colors to make it possible to play the transforming Avacyn as a RW commander.

This was never not the case. You could not play Garruk Relentless in, say, Azusa when he was printed.

>>55181037
>when you find a Damnation you never knew you had mixed in with your stack of bulk rares
NOICE
I
C
E

>>55181120
They still changed it to count as color identity, I am pretty sure. Previously they counted as being of whatever color they were but didn't count as having that identity because no mana symbol was present on the card, or something along those lines.

>>55178688
I personally like having ellesh norn and godhead of awe.

>>55180994
sigarda's aid/SFM+hammor of memes or leonin shikari help remedy that

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>>55181141
Again, no.
Garruk Relentless always had a G/B color identity. Civilized Scholar always had a U/R color identity. Elbrus was always Black.

The reason being is the color indicator on the typeline. They introduced that with DFCs in original Innistrad to replace the "~ is [color]" text, as you can see with reprints of cards like Pact of Negation. It has always been functionally the same.

>>55181160

those cards are fun but the problem is that there are so many decks that only chump block anyway

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MEOW

can someone post the ''Fucking perfect'' comic for me? I changed PC and I need my database

>>55181208
>paying 40 dollars for the worst deck

>>55181208
So ca/tg/irls, which cat have you been playing with? Arahbo, Nazahn, or Mirri?

My Brimaz showed up in the mail, so I just got Arahbo together.

>>55181227
Not him, but I'm buying it too because I can make a cat tribal deck AND an equipement deck by mashing it with the Nahiri precon that gathers dust. Nazahn seems pretty good.

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>want to foil out the combo pieces of my deck, normally is a 25 cent rare
>foil is 15 dollars on tcgplayer
>costs 2 euros on magiccardmarket
Thanks, eurobros. What exactly causes this difference in price though? Is the American market just jewier overall?

>>55181262
We have more manchildren in the states.
I'm one of them.

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So I just bought this bad boy, anyone have any interesting tech choices?

I'm thinking about running it as the commander for my Jin-Gitaxias artifact ramp deck because it's going to enable some really degenerate nonsense once my big guys hit the field. I found the weakest part of Jin was that he drew a giant target on your face, and then instantly died to removal before he can actually do anything. The idea of this new deck is to ramp as hard as possible into a bunch of fuck-off huge blue creatures, then smash face when people can't remove them without a wrath. I'm planning on using Blightsteel, all the Eldrazi Titans, and a bunch of cool leviathans, but I'd enjoy any neat fragile creatures that tend to eat a bunch of removal, or effects that are better when countered.

>>55181262
If it's used in legacy or other formats, even as a sideboard piece, the price shoots way up.

Legacy and older formats aren't nearly as much of a thing in Europe. So those kinds of things stay cheap. Fewer magpies

>>55181256
>MFW aside from the commander2017 exclusives I own every key card in the deck already
I guess I'll just wait for singles to pop up then... Maybe I'll just grab the wizard deck and use it to supplement others.
Vampire seems ok, but there's a set that's about to release that will supplement it well.
Dragons looks like just a lot of decent stuff slapped together inside the box with an ok base for a beginner to make a 5-color deck, making it easily the most popular.

it's no 2016, but the decks this time seem decent overall.

>>55181288
spellskite?

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>buildan non-zombie Scarab god
>Test it out for a few games
>Never goes above 7 lands, slowly durdle with almost no ramp
>put it in tappedout
>102 cards 34 lands
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/i-cant-belive-its-not-tribal/
Any reccomandations for what to cut and/or things to add?

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So... weird thing. I bought a the Markov precon deck today, and for the life of me I cannot find the Blood Artist, Falkenrath Noble, or Bloodhusk Ritualist. All else is present and accounted for. Has anyone ever opened a sealed precon and not found all the cards?I mean, everything looked properly sealed, and if someone had scammed it, they sure as hell would have taken better things than those three... I looked all over my desk area and triple checked that no cards were stuck together. This is bizarre.

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>>55181305
>pay 2 life: counter target spell or ability
That's perfect, I happen to have a spellskite just sitting around.

I'm planning on running this round mound of ground and pound for a neat... I was going to say softlock, but it's more of a jank control piece. I don't know, it's going to be cool if I ever get to pull it off.

>>55181325
If you contact wizards directly they'll replace the whole thing for you. Seen it happen before.

>>55181227
Nahzan, his hammer, the copy axe, and Mirari's Wake are all great though.

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>>55176672
Funny timing, Reki is actually my favorite deck that I've had for ages. I just ordered a bunch of walkers with the change, because previously I only ran the flip Nissa (since she was the only one who cantripped).

Now I'm adding more. Coincidentally, a friend of mine just GAVE ME a doubling season for my birthday. Absolutely insane.

So, now I'm stuck deciding if I am gonna change anything about the deck besides walkers and the season itself.

The biggest synergy with it is Sekki, but what ELSE would work well in a cantripping legendary themed green deck with Season?

>>55181262
Nobody wants Italian/Spanish/French cards.

>>55178962
>>55179123
Holy shit, it took me this long to realize this? Man, fuck, I trusted the real text.

My Mairsil deck got way less janky now. I guess I'll keep one or two to dodge removal, but the actual effect of the licids means fuck all now.

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>>55181416
>Accidentally buy a French Fire-Lit Thicket
>mfw

>>55181363

Thanks. I checked it out.

Looks like you have to send it all back to get the replacement, not worth the time or hassle for less than $1.50 of cards.

>>55181437
>Bought a foreign Ugin by accident
>It's not even Mongolian but Japanese

What weebs are importing Japanese cards into the country?

How much shipping does magiccardmarket usually have to the US?

>>55181473
Um, Wal-Mart. Stopped at one picking up supplies for the eclipse and saw two different ones in the card section. Short on pocket cash at the time, otherwise I'd have picked them up for novelty value.

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What's the best non-positive mana-rocks for EDH?

>>55181578

signets, chrome lantern, coalition relic, thran dynamo, gilded lotus, thought vessel, darksteel ingot

>>55181578
signets, thran dynamo, gilded lotus, worn powerston, coalition relic, medallion cycle, diamond cycle,ramos cycle, keyrunes (if they provide a relevant keyword ability)

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>>55181599
>>55181620
Don't forget me!

>>55181645
you and your big brother are better suited for Never Forgetti, Master of Spaghetti

Looking to get back into the game after a while. I love Aristocrats decks. What's a good commander for that? Shirei and Mazirek look good, but are there any others?

>>55181692
Queen Marchesa

>>55181692

teysa, orzhov scion

>>55181645

Oddly enough, that's not a smug quote. He's genuinely asking in the story it's from.

>>55181697
>>55181692
OG Marches of the Black Rose seems more fitted for an aristocrats shell

>>55181709
Teysa looks pretty fun. How many cards let me BLACK my whole board, so that she can go infinite?

>>55181697
>>55181722
Queen Marchesa seems to be better for either pillowfort or aggro. OG Marchesa looks pretty fun. Unspeakable Symbol and Undying are what I should focus on, right?

>>55181752
>How many cards let me BLACK my whole board, so that she can go infinite?
Darkest Hour is the only one I know of

>>55181770
At least enchantments are easy to nab in BW. And only two colors means I won't be too badly hurt by not having shocks or fetches.

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>>55181208
CLEAN YOUR FINGERNAILS

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>>55181227
>mfw paid 90 europoors for 4 decks

>>55176709
Just noticed how much he looks like Sylvester Stallone

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So I'm making a cheap-ass list for Edgar Markov Vampires/Curses. it's mostly just the precon but with a few new creatures and most of the sorceries/instants/enchantments subbed out for every decent Mardu curse. Any other enchantment tutoring sorceries/instants I should grab besides Open the Armory?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-09-17-what-a-horrible-night-to-have-a-curse/

>>55181407
this commander is great
>voltron viable with a few pumps and swings
>damage immune pretty much
>when you swing defending player has to choose between taking commander damage or giving you tokens
>can even sac the tokens to negate his commander tax

greens ramp negates the steep mana cost but it's still pretty hefty.
Still seems like a great mono commander to build a around

>>55176709
>ywn lick his armpits and hold his hand

>>55181789
i got off work. i did when i got home

>>55181363
I got some fucked up prints in the Wizard deck.
The cards are mostly legibly but the power/toughness is pretty hard to read on them.
Does it qualify me for a free deck and are they tournament legal?

>>55181926
Good man

>>55181448
Just pull out some extras that are midling value but worth it and the send it back. Or just get Teferi's piss break and send it back. Either way it still profit

>>55177026
I'd run Tishana as one of the 99 in my Zegana deck.

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I built Marath because I liked the art but so far she's been boring as fuck because it feels like it takes forever to do anything and I barely interact with my opponents. I have ways to interact (path, WoG, swords, etc) I just don't draw enough cards to ever see them. Granted I've played probably less than 15 games with her (and probably about 20 EDH games total) so I'm willing to keep trying her, but I'm thinking heavily about getting another commander

I like that Marath has a combo win (so games don't go forever) and can dissuade opponents from attacking me with some pillowfort stuff but I want to be able to draw lots of cards, kill/remove anything and play more of a control game with a combo in my back pocket.

I was considering a Rashmi or Kruphix spellslinger style deck or Sydri eggs for aetherflux reservoir, any recommendations? I imagine 100% of this thread has more experience with EDH than I do

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i'm on the fence about putting nocturnus in my edgar deck. he's really strong when active, but not being monoblack makes it really just a coinflip whether he is or not. is it worth it?

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>>55181315
Bump

>>55181315
>doomsday
>labman
>every tutor

>>55182246
Sounds like you need to reevaluate the cards you're running and maybe some of the strategies you've built up. You're in good colors for removal and control cards, and I think you might want to look more into draw/value engines in your colors.

Either way play the deck you do have quite a bit more.

>>55181315
take out lightning greaves, your commander is made to recur from the GY, also take out mistvein borderpost.

Get a reanimate also

>>55182281
It's not worth it.

Lightning Greaves I can understand, but cut the borderpost? Wouldn't that make it so the deck has too little ramp with only 8 sources? Scrub God is a very mana-hungry commander.

>>55182281
>>55182371
My edgar is aggressive as fuck and is 90% black in the first place, I haven't had an issue getting him out on curve most games.
It's for duel commander tho

>>55182395
Meant for >>55182344

>>55182406
another guy at my LGS built an aggressive edgar deck, but my aristocrats list has been eating him alive every single game. all i have to do is drop wrath turn 4 and he loses.

>>55182073
sorry anon.
didn't want to be fat forever
didn't want to pay for the gym
so my work is now dirty
but its worth it

>>55181248
>Brimaz
I am borrowing my friends. fuck paying 15$ on a cat
that's money that con go to worldly tutor

for cards like praetor's grasp that let you steal an opponent's card, do you get to repeatedly cast it if it's a nonland or does it leave exile after being cast?

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>>55177026
I'm thinking merfolk tribal, both Kiora's and doubling season. Go wide with tokens, but also have an islandwalk+"when a creature deals combat damage draw" suite. It also has Kruphix and the UG liege/avatar for good measure.

I can't find any flavourful removal though unfortunately.

>>55182665

Unless otherwise stated, whenever you cast a spell, it moves from wherever it was to the stack, then as it resolves it moves from the stack to either the battlefield under the caster's control for a permanent card, or its owner's graveyard for an instant or sorcery spell

>>55182665
>you cast it from exile
>spell goes on the stack
>spell resolves
>if it was a permanent spell, it's put on the battlefield. If sorcery or instant, goes to its owner's graveyard.

>>55182686

Capsize maybe?

fucking hell, why is everyone who plays at my lgs such an awful fuckwad?

>hipster douchebag who builds bad decks because good decks are "boring" and "build themselves"
>full autismo neckbeard who only plays hardcore aggro decks that kill one person then lose while he gloats over the person he eliminated
>rich as shit high school kid who has the most expensive decks but would rather tell us about his trip to japan than play
>"umm, my boyfriend says that's a bad card."

the only thing that keeps me coming back is that it's the only time i get to play magic.

>>55182712
>everyone
>5 people
The only LGS within 100 miles of me (closed now) had like 1 1/2 good players, 4 people who were kind of into the game, and a bunch of kids who were just kind of there.
The shop owner/judge participated in events and made a bunch of bad calls.

>>55177026
just go wide as shit with tokens and play her to draw 15+ cards after you've dumped your hand.

>>55182784
there are about 12-15 regulars, they all sort of fall into one of those categories with like 1 or 2 exceptions.

>>55182524
I ordered one before the major spike, so it ended up being only like $8.

>>55182875
I kept one since Theros, so it ended up being $0

is the new Ur Dragon commander worth using over scion?

>>55182957

Scion
>pros
Tuned Toolbox
Recursion

>cons
Graveyard hate hurts a lot
Dies to removal if you've already cycled through your shroud dragons, sacrifice effects hurt a lot

Ur-dragon
>pros
Curve like a fucking madman
Free draw and show and tell in the late game

>cons
Tough to get him out but you should be curving like a GOD
DAMN
MAD
MAN
up until that point.

Both of them are well rounded commanders, Scion is better geared to be competitive but Ur-dragon dominates games if they drag out too long and can be a consistent threat up until that point as well.

>>55182957

Scion is a little better but ur dragon seems more fun to me, drawing cards is more fun than tutoring

I bought the Wizards deck and can't make Mairsil nor Inalla work.

Am I impotent or just retarded?

>tfw buying vampire deck for 25€
>teferi's protection sells for 19€


feels ok man

>>55183037

Mairsil requires heavy build around, with almost no synergy with other wizards. So the precon gives you almost no help at all for building his deck. Also even if you rebuild the whole thing around mairsil, it would still suck because mairsil is bad

Inalla is okay, but the optimal way to build it will just be to Tutor combos and that's no fun

Azami is still the only good wizard tribal commander, if you want to build something from your precon, then take kess and build grixis goodstuff with a focus on cheap instants and sorceries

>>55183037
Mairsil requires his own list, you'll need to take out like 95 of the precon cards to make him work.
Inalla needs upgrades since the wizard deck was dumbed down hard in order to make it markatable without it being $50 above the MSRP, although it was for naught since all the good (read: popular) cards that worked great with her underwent a massive buyout.

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>>55183070
>it would still suck because mairsil is bad
Tell that to my christasland hand of sol ring, thousand-year elixer and tree of perdition.

>>55180556
But my encyclopedic knowledge of all cards makes my deckbuilding indistinguishable from netdecking, what now?

>>55183070
>it would still suck because mairsil is bad

>he doesn't want to crew his commander and drive all over the opponents

>>55183120
ANON
YOU'VE BECOME JADED
You'll either need heavy doses of eternal formats or Kozilek funtimes.

>>55183124
>tfw you crew 3 pack rats into Mairsil
Wizards finally gave us a proper Richard Gere commander.

>>55183070
>>55183082
So I'm fucked unless I rework 75% of the deck.

Great.

>>55183161
Just play Kess storm tribal.

>>55183131
>tfw just took apart my all foil Kozilek EDH deck because my playgroup hated it so much

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kozilek-the-glaring-distortion/

Traded a bunch of it for low curve legacy staples so I can make a duel commander deck.
I guess Kess is gonna get be the new go to commander?

>>55183161
inalla is pretty fun if you build her with lots of spells and cool value wizards like archaeomancer, snapcaster, and dualcaster. apprentice necromancer and bloodline necromancer come in the deck and are pretty great too.

>>55183190
>playgroup makes you disasemble deck instead of stepping up their game
Sadtimes.

Should I include a copy of strionic resonator in my ur-dragon deck? Any good dragons to Target with it?

>>55183264
Nah, the deck was too weak. They treated it like a comp deck and cracked down on it so hard it never got off its feet.

>>55183329
Seems good with the ur trigger at least

>>55183386
I have bogarden hellkite, tyrants familiar, and bladewing the risen as good targets. I just need more

>>55182686
>cant find flavorful removal

>capsize
>spreading seas
>distorting wake
>crush of tentacles
>surgespanner
>tidebinder mage
>opposition

>>55176892
I usually start with a general plan or idea.
Then I figure out how I plan on winning.
Then I figure out how I'm going to get there.
Then I just play with the deck, and tweak it if I think I can make it faster/win more.

So if you want an Inalla deck,
>how does your Inalla deck want to win?
>how does your deck ramp?
>how do you protect your lines of play?
>how do you disrupt your opponents wincons?
Then just try and make sure each slot in your is being used as impactfully as possible.

>>55181970
Yes and yes. Contact wizards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yidris-wizards-gone-wild/
im building a funish deck off the bones of the 2017 wizard deck any recommendations or changes you guys think should be made?

>>55181578
Talismans and signets.

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>Mirri with Double Strike and BfBA
>First strike damage, copy axe, put it on her again because of hammer
>Normal damage, create two more axes

This, this is how you voltron.

1-3: Build "Crouching Faggots Hidden Nephilim"
4-6: Build Solemnity Zur
7-9: Build Jin-Jan, Augur Man big mana eldrazi
0: Disassemble Reaper King and re-roll
Dubs: Play vidya
Trips: An hero

>Just won a game due to the planeswalker rule change
Nahiri 2 stronk

>>55184186
The question now is if I should order an academy rector for the deck.

>>55183958
Exponential Axeworks

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I was looking for Sharuum combos and came upon a Sharuum/Sculpting Steel/Blasting Station combo, which doesn't make sense for my brain.

>1. Summon Sculpting Steel; have it enter the battlefield as a copy of Sharuum. The copied Sharuum's ETB ability is put on the stack.
>2. As a reaction to the copy of Sharuum entering the battlefield, tap Blasting Station and sacrifice Sharuum the Hegemon to it, dealing 1 damage to target creature or player.
>3. The copied Sharuum's ETB ability resolves; targeting the original Sharuum.
>4. As Sharuum the Hegemon enters the battlefield, Sharuums ETB trigger and Blasting Station's untap trigger are put on the stack (Stations trigger on top).
Blasting Station's untap trigger resolves, untapping Station.
>5. As a reaction to Sharuum the Hegemon entering the battlefield, tap Blasting Station and sacrifice Phyrexian Metamorph/Sculpting Steel to it, dealing 1 damage to target creature or player.
>6. Sharuum's ETB ability resolves; targeting Phyrexian Metamorph/Sculpting Steel. Have it enter the battlefield as a copy of Sharuum. The copy's ETB trigger and
>7. Blasting Station's untap trigger are put on the stack (Stations trigger on top).
>8. Blasting Station's untap trigger resolves, untapping Station.
>9. Repeat from step 2.

Could you actually do step 2? Wouldn't the legendary rule (state based action), kill Sharuum before you could sacrifice it?

>>55181437
>bought traditional chinese patriarchs bidding for 9€

I don't care anymore, the english version is like 18€. Fuck that.

>>55181473
Japanese Kamigawa cards are minty nice for niche players.

If it's a playable common/uncommon and is in Japanese, it would be around foil english price if not a bit more.

If it's a rare playable, Sensei's, or just general good tech for eternal formats; it'd be around 4x normal price (See Sakashima).

If it's a FOIL rare commander, it'd be open season for scalpers - I've seen a Foil Jap Saka go for starting bet $200 and climb.

>>55180879
Our meta used to be like this then everybody started running boardwipes...

I'm a pretty new player to magic and I really like the Eldrazi, Are Eldrazi commander decks viable? And which version of Kozilek would make for a better commander? I was thinking butcher of truth because annihilator 4 just sounds too fun to pass up

>>55184523
How much dosh do you have because playing mono-brown costs money, powered mono-brown is a pain to deal with because there's so much degenerate artifact stuff in the game, I personally like Kozilek 1.0 because it's always 4 cards and Annihilator 4 spooks the shit out of people.

>>55184401
>1. Sculpting Steel etb as a copy of Sharuum
>2. State based actions puts your original Sharuum in the grave before choosing targets for the trigger.
>3. The trigger returning Sharuum is put on the stack.
>4. Sack sculpting steel to Blasting Station.
>5. Damage from Blasting Station resolves.
>6. Sharuum returns to the battlefield, untapping Blasting Station and returning Sculpting Steel.
>7. Go to 1.

Easy peasy.

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>playing Grenzo on mtgo
>"what is goad?"
>some other guy explains it
>"Goad is pretty bad XD"
>TRIGGERED
>drop a Bedlam, goad every big thing and watch opponents murder each other for the rest of the game
F-f-fuck you mang.

>>55180321
the 2017 decks are quite good thematically, I'm actually having a hard time cutting. Kitties could use some draw/recursion. Greater Good would be crazy good in kitties.

>>55184592
Bedlam is a seriously underrated card, got it recently in preparation for the release of Ixalan.

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>tfw no Jund lands.dec legendary so I can put these three in the same deck
Give me something like:
1BRG
3/3
You may play a additional land every turn.
Once per turn you may play a land from your graveyard.
Sacrifice a land:destroy target nonbasic land.

>>55184707
The day a jund landfall deck happens is the day I make a new deck friend.

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>>55184707
Exactly what I've been thinking.
I've played Shattergang in the deck as a commander slot removal spell basically but it's not very exciting.

>>55184707
My god that commander sounds so wonderful. That deck would be top tier instantly too though

>>55184760
You can literally reuse a fetchland every turn with that thing or in a 1v1 environment annihilate the other guy's manabase and keep building yours, it's silly strong, a balanced version would probably take only 2 of the three abilities rather than being ramp and LD in a single package.

>crack like 150 packs
>nothing too notable
>finally see the gleam of a golden ticket
>slowly, carefully remove the cards around it
>Maelstrom Pulse
Hahahahaha.
No more packs for me.

>>55184707
>>55184760
>>55184778
need to get rid of one of the last 2 abilities and it's a little more balanced - probably the edge one bcuz gud

>>55184844
>cracking packs
You've only yourself to blame.