MTG Commander/EDH General

>People completely ignore my Parallel Lives and Anointed Procession
>Slap down an Avenger of Zendikar with 10 lands on the board
>40 tokens
>play a fetch land and use it
>tokens are now all 2/3s
>Atraxa player uses his Elspeth, Sun's Champion to kill my Avenger
>Blue people Cyclonic Rift's
>Cast Teferi's Protection
>Their Planeswalker sparks activate as they tilt into another plane of existance

God damn I fucking love Teferi's Protection

>>55185338
>Thread question
Not exactly reanimation, but Tunnel Visions -> Replenish is one of my favourite combos. Otherwise cheap reanimation of high cmc jank or your opponent's best dude is as good as it gets for me.

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>>55185338
>What's your favorite way to reanimate things?
On the cheap and sometimes briefly at instant.

>How does it actually win you the game
I usually play decks where that's more of an improv question. We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

>and how do you deal with hate?
Dejectedly.

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Meet my wife.
She's a bit on the costly side, but she's got a real fat ass and is really helpful around the house, isn't afraid to get her hands dirty pulling things up.

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>>55185406
>they erratad phasing to allow stupid timmy plays like this
Fuck WotC.

>>55185435
>m-m-muh cyclonic rift

>>55185419
Has she actually been printed with that art?

>>55185449
I don't even care about that. I'm just mad they removed the "permanent phase out of opponent's commander" combo and the reason they did this was to streamline play for timmies.

>>55185478
buddy Boros charm and similar cards have existed for a long time now. Teferi's Protection is just an answer to Cyclonic Rift which every blue player runs in their deck.

>>55185478
>the reason they did this was to streamline play for timmies

The reason they did it was because there wasn't really any reason for phasing to eat tokens anymore. Phasing had been a zone change, so getting rid of tokens made sense, then when they switched it around so that it was no longer a zone change, they kept the token interaction as something kind of grandfathered in. Unless you know the whole history of Phasing, looking at it as it currently exists now would give you no reason to believe it should get rid of tokens, so it doesn't.

It's not "streamlined for timmies", it's fixing a clunky, unintuitive rule leftover from a design change.

>>55185419
What commander is that? I want to make a deck with her, with lots of wonderful white wheenies.

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Thank you for helping me with my Sidisi deck last general guys. Although I was wondering would it be better to run Razaketh, the Foulblooded over Sidisi or should he stay in the 99 because he costs more?

>>55185551
It seems to be an alternate art of Reya Dawnbringer by Steve Argyle. It never made it onto an actual printing of her, but it's available as a playmat. Not sure if there's a story to it or he just made it for fun.

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I run black daxos and I run a swamps matter suite (coffers, magus, urborg expedition map). Should I also run this, or just suck it up and buy a demonic tutor

Also I need some draw power either way, but I can't find anything strong enough. Is there a list of draw cards for wb?

>>55185601
Get demonic tutor if you can.

Also: Necropotence, bloodgift demon, phyrexian arena?

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>>55185601
If you run urborg and/or blanket, then make sure to run a mana web

>>55185601
Phyrexian Arena, Underworld Connections, Necropotence, Night's Whisper, Land Tax+Scroll Rack

>>55185642
I run everything but bloodgift demon. I'll take another look at him. I constantly have issues with not having enough life in the game.
>>55185662
My nigga.

>>55185601
Bob is phyrexian arena on a stick, necropotence and ad nauseam are some of the best card draw in the game (especially since you have more life points than you'll ever need in edh).

>>55185689
Bob and Ad Nauseam are going to beat his ass in Daxos. It's not some storm deck with low cmc.

>>55185540
Fuck you, bring back banding.

>>55185745
What's next, you're going to jack off to the batch system?

>>55185668
That's a neat interaction between rack and tax. Underworld connections really worth it though? I disregarded that card early but I might throw it back in

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>>55185714
>not having all your decks have an average cmc of 3 or lower

>>55185762
No, but I would like damage to use the stack again. Also, mana burn.

>>55185778
So you're 4 out of 5 for a shitty opinion Bingo.

speaking of reanimation..

can someone r8 my gonti deck I've been trying to build for months?
I'm having trouble getting a good balance between reanimation and flicker effects.
I love gonti as a card, would love to have him as my second commander.

https://deckstats.net/deck-13942936-da9ad3df6ba8c4324682904babe69df9.html

>>55185792
>It's more fun if it's easier to understand
Casuals like you are what is ruining this game.

>>55185764
It's not as good as Phyrexian Arena imo but Daxos cares about enchantments so I would consider it in his deck. You could olay Greed or Erebos instead and still draw with an enchantment.

Is Dark Confidant a good card in EDH?

>>55185896
It can be, in a competitive deck.

I just want to play Abzanchantments

Should I use a commander that doesn't have any synergy or resign myself to playing Blaxos?

>>55185896
If your average CMC is 3 or less.

>>55185987
What about 3.3?

How do you go about minimizing Comander Tax when playing Mairsil and flicker him?

Does putting Reassembling Skeleton and similar cards allow Mairsil to constantly revive himself/go revival-crazy with Overeager Apprentice/Crosis' Apprentice?

>>55186054
*Crosis Attendant

>>55186054
Should work.

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>>55186082
Wrong

>>55186097
Okay.

>>55186054
Doesn't work. Mairsil only has his abilities while on the battlefield.

>>55185985
Karador would do fine.

>>55186097
>>55186102
What a shame.

>>55185662
This doesn't work if they don't have B in their Commander's colors.

>>55186178
Have you been living under a rock the past few years? You've been able to produce mana outside of your color identity for quite some time now.

>>55186178
Rule was changed, lands can produce colors outside the commander's color identity now without turning colorless.

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>>55186200
>>55186202
Fuck I'm retarded

>>55186251
It's okay friendo. Just enjoy the strong interaction

>>55185985
How about Tymna+Sidar Konda?

>>55186054
Use Apprentice Necromancer/Doomed Necromancer. One in the grave one under Mairsil and you can do it for BB.

>>55186320
>>55186054
Forgot to mention, you should have Apprentice Necromancer under Mairsil to give the Doomed Necromancer haste.

>>55185570

Razaketh will be banned in the future, better keep Sidisi as your general

>>55186004
Is 3.3 < 3?
Is 3.3 = 3?

What wincons should i run in my inalla deck?
currently using niv mizzet + curiosity and wanderwine prophets for combos and just a ton of etb disruption

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>>55186425
This won't end well for you.

>>55186457
Ashnod's/Bloodline Necromancer

>>55186304
Not him, but I don't know how anyone could tolerate having not one, but TWO ugly-as-fuck commanders leading their decks.

>>55186457
Anathemancer + Panharmonicon is sweet in greedy groups running a ton of non-basics.

>>55186469
Was that guy talking about Razaketh?

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THE AMONKHET STORY TO ME???

Why did Nicola Bolas destroy the plane that was generating his zombie army? Why didn't he just take the zombie army and leave them to keep making more? I don't get it.

>>55186792
Wizards just wanted a setting to play out a communist revolution and brought Bolas to play out the baddie.

>>55185435
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that though. Phasing was always meant to make things cease existing without actually going away. It's how it should've always worked with tokens.

>>55186708
Yeah. There was one tard obsessed with Razaketh who is convinced he's the most broken thing since Yawgmoth's Bargain.

>>55185406
Kek

>>55186923
>8 mana
>requires a sacrifice and 2 life
>busted

why are so many EDH players bad?

I really like the elf theme, how bad of an idea would it be to buy Guided by nature and build an elf tribal from that skeleton with ezuri as the commander. Is it at all competitive?
Im ok if it can atleast stay alive for a while, i have other decks that are actually competitive

>>55186941
He was in the minority in EDHg, so I wouldn't call EDH players bad. It's little Timmy who is bad at card assessment.

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To all the people saying that Razaketh is bad:
Have you played with/against the deck?

>>55186996
>People aren't saying he's Griselbrand levels of busted and ban worthy therefore people are saying he's bad

Are you perhaps retarded? By the time you get him out an opponent will have some way to deal with him. You'll get one tutor in and than he'll die. Maybe two if you're lucky.

>>55186996
No one said he's bad. He's just not some busted piece of shit like you think. A friend of mine switched out the commander of his Mono-B deck for Razaketh and added a few more combo pieces to search (along with all of the usual black ramp) and it didn't play that differently from usual. It was no stronger for having Razaketh as the commander. It still took him a solid turn or two longer to drop than Sidisi and he rarely had enough creatures to sac because people wouldn't let him keep a board. Sidisi can at least exploit herself, Razaketh needs other creatures to function, costs more, and has no inherent protection to make up for the extra cost. In a game of easy 2-card-combos, you rarely need more than what Sidisi brings to the table.

>>55187054
>Sidisi can at least exploit herself

Wait really? I never knew this.

>>55187083
Yeah, Exploit doesn't specify "another creature" so she can use it on herself for an easy search without having to weaken your board. Sidisi is, at worst, a 5-mana tutor in the commander zone.

>>55187083
It's common to all exploit creatres. makes Sidisi's Faithful really fun in Inalla with the right setup.

>>55186941
It's a repeatable tutor was the argument, which is a strong effect true but you need to feed the sucker so that means you need previous setup which makes him way less threatening, him costing 8 doesn't really mean much considering the amount of ways you have to cheat the cost, people cheated grizzle-dizzle out no problem back when he was legal, no I'm not saying tutorman is anywhere near as strong as phyrexian bargain on a stick.

>>55187172
He's better in the 99 than as the commander IMO.

>>55187083
This is a key component of Sidisi Ad Naus, which has

>Black Sidisi in the command zone
>Ad Naus in the deck
>Skirge Familiar and Exsanguinate in the deck
>As many mana-positive spells as your budget can handle, up to a total deck CMC of 20 or something so you can still draw it all with Ad Naus
>Maybe a Spellbook if you're short on mana-positives to guarantee landing Skirge off Ad Naus.
>The rest Swamps.

Turn 5, or earlier with rocks, you drop Sidisi and tutor Ad Naus. On the next turn (or the same turn if you were holding just the right rit effects) you land Ad Naus, ritual up the Skirge Familiar, and dump the rest of your 80+ card hand for a board-killing Exsanguinate. It's a "trivial extreme" EDH deck; without interference it will win on or before Turn 6 100% of the time (Spellbook variants, turn 7) but it folds to any counterspell, any 'immunity' (Angel's Grace/Teferi's), or enough damage that it can't afford to draw everything with Ad Naus.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-09-17-what-a-horrible-night-to-have-a-curse/

Can I get some suggestions for my dumb Edgar Markov curse deck? I mostly want to grab a few more enchantment tutors for it but I'm not sure what to cut.

>>55187217
Yeah, you can't cheat the sucker out for a B via Reanimate if he's your general.

what are some decent combos that can be thrown into the vampire precon? I feel trying to get swarms of tokens without any doubling effects isn't going to be enough to win most matches

>>55185767

What about cheaty reanimator decks and ramp decks?

>>55186792
He was sick of paying it's cumulative upkeep

>>55187266
there's always anointed procession

As far as the new curses go, do they trigger if an opponent attacks an opponent with a curse? I mean do you get the benefits when someone else attacks the cursed player?

>>55187323
Yes, that's why they're worded so strangely

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>>55187266
Add this card for the vampire kill combo

>playing Inalla
>Ghostly flicker, target whatever
>Cast Dualcaster, trigger Inalla to copy Dualcaster.
>Both Dualcasters target Ghostly Flicker. Each Flicker targets a basic land and the original Dualcaster.
>Original Dualcaster re-enters, use the untapped land to copy it and the Flicker again.
>Repeat this over and over to create infinite hasty 2/2 tokens

Does this work?

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>can be voltron, aggro, control, combo
>any theme you want
>any way you want
>infinite permutations and archetypes in one commander
Why are you not playing EDH kino, /tg/?

>>55187398
I want to get in the cage but I don't know how to build the master of jank

>>55187357
Yeah that was one I was going to throw in for sure

>>55187295
Didn't know that existed, so I'll be throwing that in for sure. I've been out of magic for a a few sets now so coming back and seeing some stuff like that is outstanding.

>>55187398
>>55187412

I will go out and buy all the jank possible in my area if someone posts some of the most interesting and fun combos that I should look out for.

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Neat.

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>>55187398
How does Marsail Voltron work?

>>55187398
But do those counters stick with him as he travels between zones? Otherwise you'll need to blink him a lot.

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>>55187412
Pick what you like, my dude.

Do you enjoy Planar Bridge and cheating out a shitload of Eldrazi? Do you want to blow up the world repeatedly with Nevinyyral's Disk? Do you want to play the long con, inevitably exiling threat after threat until you're drawing cards and generating shitloads of mana every turn?

The world is in your hands.

>>55187429
Figure it out for yourself you fucking filth.

>>55187441
Jodah's Avenger and Pestilent Souleater, for starters.

>>55187443
Cage counters are cage counters even when Mairsil is dead. Just get him back into play.

>>55187398
I made a decklist of Mairsil bouncing to cage more useful cards for him, but I found it way too slow and often leave me defenseless.

How do I effectively build a deck with jank in mind?

>>55187490
Run board wipes and answers to protect your jank. Only dedicate maybe ten slots to Mairsil targets.

>>55187398
He's definitely tempting me. He's the true spirit of EDH in one card. The only drawback is that he's in Grixis and I just built Inalla combo Wizardball. And I'm working on getting the pieces together for my Patron of the Moon deck. I've got too much blue going on and not enough copies of the cards I need. I'm running out of Islands.

>>55187471
You are correct, I misread it and thought the counters went on him and not the exiled cards.

>>55187398
>tfw ordered 20 cards for a semi-competitive marsil deck
>came out to $8
JANK LIVES

>>55185847
Whiny nostalgics like you need to get over it and accept that the game is more fun.

>>55187398
Does anyone know that combo with Mairsil and Quicksliver Elemental? There was a cool one I remember seeing but I can't remember what it used.

>>55187559
That was errata'd. Doesn't work anymore.

>>55187568
The one I'm thinking of supposedly still worked with the clarification on Mairsil's ability.

>>55185338
Fucking bullshit.

Cauldron Dance has been my secret tech for years. And now every low tier scrub is gonna cast it, and probably wrong too.

>>55187568
It still works. Mairsil doesn't gain an infinite number of activations of his abilities, but he does gain an additional usage of each. As long as you can generate at least one blue mana each iteration, you can just keep using the Quicksilver Elemental ability to copy the abilities again.

You get to use Mairsil's abilities an additional X number of times where X is the amount of blue mana you can generate, basically.

>>55186996
>July 25 2018 19:50:00

>>55187398
I can't seem to ever get him to stick and do anything. Recasting him from the command zone is way too expensive, bouncing/reanimating him constantly takes up way too much deck space, you need a shitload of haste givers to consistently make him combo off, charge counter shenanigans only work if you get a very specific collection of cards on him and can activate immediately.

I have no idea how to properly jank this guy. Probably would be half as bad if I'd find a way to effectively keep bouncing and reviving him whenever he gets killed or whenever I want to cage something new.

>>55187440
Nihil, Relic and Tormod's have better upsides but it's decent

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Guess who I just started brewing with all of this jank talk?

>>55187769
I don't understand that metric at all. I built a rather stock Ritual Storm vintage list one day and it gave like 95% casual. Paradoxical Outcome fad plebs in charge of the metrics I assume.

>>55187818
It truly is strange. My Patron of the Moon deck that I filled with all sorts of fun jank got a score of 100% competitive.

>Buy Silver Dragon Shield Sleeves for my Eldrazi deck
>They're hot garbage that slip and slide everywhere

Whelp I'm only sticking to matte sleeves from them for now on.

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>>55187769

>>55187818
>>55187836

It's still very buggy

Btw Paradoxical Outcome is not a fad it's the best storm card they've printed since storm the mechanic came about

So, Mairsil is effectively a better version of Experiment Kraj?

>>55187445
>Figure it out for yourself you fucking filth.

Man I work like a dog and have almost zero time off. Don't be some hipster and help a guy out man

>>55187818
It is weird because Teferi's Protection is an automatic 70%

>>55187869
Apples to oranges. Kraj only works with what you control, but he can use abilities more than once without jumping through hoops. They both have amazing potential though.

>All these newly launched stores on TCGplayer selling Teferi's Protection

I ain't falling for that again after a dude took a week to not send out my Doubling Season

>>55187769
Tappedout is hilarious. My Mairsil was rocking around 73 casual. Then I updated it, not changing a damn thing in the list but changing the description from "Generated from deck paste" to that parody of the Unlimited Bladeworks speech from some threads back and it jumped to 100% competitive.

So, I'm looking to build a Roon deck, and a store near me is selling Commander Anthology decks individually. Is it worth to buy the Derevi deck and then upgrade it later? Is the deck still worth it, or would it be cheaper to buy the singles?

>>55187885
Wrong, Kraj also works with opponent's shit. Still, he's hard to activate and costs a fuckton.

>>55187904
>that parody of the Unlimited Bladeworks speech
Tappedout knew exactly what it was doing and I like it.

>play 1v1 with friend to test our new decks
>He views magic as an investment and always has $3000 decks
>Pull out best deck
>Stomp him
>Pull out second best deck
>Stomp him
>Pull out group hug no wincon deck
>Somehow squeeze out a win
>He goes and gets his 90+% tuned mld deck
>Still win again with group hug
We played for 5 hours and he didn't win a single game
>TFW getting nut draws all night with bad decks beats mediocre draws with barely not cEDH decks
I feel bad though

>>55187769
I don't see this metric on tappedout, how do I access it?

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>>55187858
You can do much better

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>>55187861
And here's the Paradoxicalfag. Can I unsummon you just as easily I summoned you.

>>55187976
Edit your existing deck and then deckcycle it.

>>55187976

Try updating your decks, if they weren't updated since before the metric became a thing like a week or two ago, they won't show it on the deck page

>tfw Mairsil + Smuggler's Copter = Smug Copter

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>>55188035
>Smug Copter
>Crew 1

>>55187978
>60% competitive
Hey, not bad.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/1000-1/

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It's time to play Guess the Commander

>>55188396
>100% competitive
>4 color
>WUBG
Gee, I wonder who that could be.

>>55188410
No, it's BUG. Those whitish things indicate multicolor spells

>>55188396
My best guess is Tasigur, the Golden Fang. Not enough creatures to be mimeoplasm and khans Sidisi isn't that commonly played.

>>55188396
It's Memeoplasm. Could be Tasigur as well though, but BUG has 6 legends, 3 of them playable.

>want to try Mairsil on XMage
>test with AI
>3v1 every single game and either die because of it or the program crashes
>decide to just directly try on live servers
>first game, first of my turns servers take 2 minutes to respond to let me get past my upkeep
>same happens the next turn during my draw step
>disconnect and do something else

Fuck, I just want to test my jank first instead of immediately buying it.

>>55188472
Not quite, they indicate land mana, presumably any color ones or fetches.

>>55187928
I've never met a player who spent unreasonable amounts of money on decks AND had sufficient skill to pilot those decks properly.

The Moneybags of our playgroup has maybe won half a dozen games in all the YEARS we've been playing together. I never feel bad about trashing him, I only feel bad seeing the wasted potential of all those awesome cards the rest of us can't afford to be running.

>>55188396
Leovold
;_;

>>55186957
Any opinions or suggestions?

Trying to play Kozliek as commander and it turns out ramping into big disruptive eldrazi just gets you hated the entire game and eliminated first. How do I protect my boys from removal

>>55188623
which brozilek? either way there isnt much you can do to stop that in mono brown. try being more political

>>55188623
Embrace the hate. I built Emrakul and she's incredibly easy to shut down, but I absolutely love playing her.

For pseudo-protection, Erratic Portal is pretty fun.

What's O-Kagachi for aside from 5 colour spirits, 5 colour politics/pillowfort/rattlesnake which isn't Karona or Child?

>>55188715
Null Brooch for those pesky non-creatures.

Also suggest for mono-red for those pesky enchantments.

>>55188728
binder display at best

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>>55188511
>>55188517
>>55188581
Wrong.

>>55188752
Aww.

>>55188410
The competitive slider is bugged atm

>>55188678
The draw 4 variant. The list is literally the most common cards off of edhrec because tappedout seems to be broken when searching for colorless decks so the list could probably be improved

>>55188728
probably the worst legend to be printed in recent memory

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>>55188623
Psst
post list, we can help each other outhttp://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/el-drazio/

>>55188763
>play goodstuff shit
>complain when no one guesses right, but instead guess actually useful commander in colours

>>55188971
Not even good stuff. It's a Villainous Wealth deck.

>>55188874
Ludevic's probably more disappointing.

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This card is underrated as fuck. Pair it with Archaeomancer and go nuts.

>>55186178
>>55186200
>>55186202
Even if they didn't change the rule, they would all be able to produce colourless mana and therefore still all tap.
They can still access all their mana since mana abilities don't use the stack and they can float it all before the mana web triggers resolve, but it still prevents them from doing a whole lot since to do anything they need to completely tap out.

>>55189074
>disappointing
>a salesman plays games of politics and profit

What did she mean by this?

What's an actual wincon for Mairsil?

Going infinite with ETBs or infinite turns seems kind of easy but all of those are pretty clunky to really fit a wincon into.

>>55189293
Infinite turns = infinite general damage

>>55189316
Not if there's a blocker which, considering how obvious setting up that kind of combo is with Mairsil, there will be.

>>55189330
Imprison a Lux Cannon or Hateflayer, that'll teach 'em.

>>55189350
>Mairsil begins to charge his laser

Is Hardened Scales an absolute must have for Marath or is it just a nice bonus?

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Man, fuck people.

>>55189499
One of Rudy's videos? Doesn't he say not to bother with anything except booster boxes and reserved list cards?

>>55189499
>not only are dumbasses spec'ing and trying to scam people by buying everything up to resell it, but they're doing it without any idea of whether or not it's even a good idea

>>55189042
Why the fuck is not Tasigur.

>>55185406
>>55185435
Wait, what? Phasing doesn't get rid of tokens anymore?

>>55189619
No. Only god knows why it ever did in the first place.

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so.
>ramp
>fetch any artifact you want
>run tons of board wipes because you can give indestructible
>swing for 1000 dmg

anything im missing?

>>55189632
Blade of Selves memery.

>>55189632
Fetch Blade of Selves to fetch 3 more artifacts each turn.

>>55189656
>fetch 3 more artifacts
That's an awfully specific number to have arrived at.

>>55189681
Your typical EDH game is 4 players. Swinging with a Blade of Selves equipped Nazahn will make 3 copies, each of which will fetch 1 equipment.

>>55189632
>>55189653
>>55189656
including Kaldra of course

>>55189656
>>55189701
u mean 2

>>55185435
A timmy wouldn't play Teferi's Protection

>>55189632
He's probably my favorite general in C17 after Jankman and Ur-Dragon, his hammer, the exponential axe and anything with double strike makes for some stupid shenanigans.

>>55189736
Fireshrieker you say?

>>55189701
>I either can't count or read
Selves makes copy for each other opponent, so that makes 2 in a 4 player game

>>55189760
FUCK I'M RETARDED

What if someone's dead? What if you have more than three friends?

>>55189540
a fool and his money are easily parted

>>55189628
Interesting. Now I want Teferri's Protection.

>>55189808
Remember that it doesn't trigger leaves battlefield or enters battlefield stuff.

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>>55189632

>>55189843
Yeah, there's Ghostway for that, but that fucks your tokens.

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>>55189632
>enter grab blade of self
>next turn swing grab his indestructible weapon and something that gives hexprof
>next swing grab exponential axe and double strike
>if no one kill you before the first swing and you attach hex proof you win

this comander is jank but has a clear game plan
i like it

>>55189499
I hope that guy is unable to return them for a full refund and is only able to sell them at a loss.

>>55189714
>protect whole board for a turn
>turns off interaction
Sounds mucho timmy

Can you give Mairsil dash?

>>55189499
they are reprinting c17 to meet demands. what an idiot

>ordered foil Empress Galina for $21
>now $80+
And just like that my Mairsil deck jumps in price.

>>55189888
source on pic?

>>55189888
>playing him turn 4-6 with no protection
>expecting him to live a turn

>>55189939
No. Dash only works when the card is on hand or in command zone

>>55189933
Nah, Timmy wants to play. Teferi's Protection is for taking a step back and avoiding things. Timmy generally doesn't care or try to avoid things.

>>55189714
>don't touch my stuff reeee in card form
>not for timmy

>>55189958
If mairsil is in your hand/command zone, why can't you use dash?

>>55189988
>>55189933
>m-m-mom they made a card that makes my cyclonic rift useless! i paid six good boy points for it!

I had a kid and haven't really played since the last Innistrad block. Have there been any must play cards that go well with Vish Kai, Blood Arbiter or Aurelia the Warleader?

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>>55189994

because he doesn't have abilities when he's not on the battlefileld

>>55190016
*Vish Kal

>>55189808
There's a damn good reason why it's $30 on its own.
I saw the vampire deck at a Gamestop for retail price, and considering going back just to get TP from it.
That and the branding guy.

>>55190006
Now you're just confusing the Timmy archetype with childlike behavior. It's more like
>darn those pesky blue players that kill my big creatures, this'll show them

>>55190029
Where in his wording does it say that he only has those abilities while on the battlefield? It says he has them if there are cage counters on permanents in exile. So why couldn't you use dash or evoke while he is in your hand, or unearth?

>>55190016
I guess there's that seven mana gratuitous-violence-effect stapled to a 4/4 pirate in the upcoming set.

>>55190061
Timmy plays Magic as an experience. He wants to be actively involved in the game and wants to keep doing stuff. Teferi's Protection can be used by Timmy, but it's not an inherently Timmy card.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13846291

help a noob out

>>55189944
I post it in hopes that somone knows
cause she looks like me

>>55190079
Because effects basically don't exist while the card they're attached to isn't in play?

Mairsil and his magical ring's effect of having other effects isn't in effect until he's effectively on the battlefield.

huh, captain sisay can tutor up plansewalkers now.

>>55189952
>bringing him to comp tables
you allready doing it wrong

>>55189632
How many equipments would you guys even run?
10? 15?

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>>55190079
I agree with you. Cards have their abilities in zones other than in play. See: pic related or Cairn Wanderer

>>55190104
You lie.
wanna date? I dont care if trap or not

>>55190125
By the time Mairsil exists long enough to gain abilities from his ability, there's no way he'd still be in your hand to use a stolen Dash ability.

>>55190124
30+
the rest are support cards and board wipes

>>55190106
>Mairsil, the Pretender has all activated abilities of all cards you own in exile with cage counters on them. You may activate each of those abilities only once each turn.

If he has gained activated abilities that can only be activated from your hand, such as dash, what is the problem?

>>55190125
Those are all keyword abilities that don't actually do anything until the creature in question is on the battlefield. It's not really the same.

>>55190125

look at that

look at where it says creature card and not creature

>>55190136
but long distance is a meme anon
and so is dating based on looks, I could suck, you could suck.
I'll shitpost all night, but be reasonable

>>55190146
Stealing this answer because it's more in-depth and easy to copy-paste:

By default, if an ability can function on the battlefield, it functions only on the battlefield, unless it specifies otherwise. So Mairsil's second ability only applies while he's on the field, so he only has the activated abilities of the caged cards while he's on the field, and thus can only activate them while he is on the field.

112.3d Static abilities are written as statements. They’re simply true. Static abilities create
continuous effects which are active while the permanent with the ability is on the battlefield and
has the ability, or while the object with the ability is in the appropriate zone. See rule 604,
“Handling Static Abilities.”

112.6. Abilities of an instant or sorcery spell usually function only while that object is on the stack.
Abilities of all other objects usually function only while that object is on the battlefield. The
exceptions are as follows:
[...]
(None of the exceptions apply here)

604.2. Static abilities create continuous effects, some of which are prevention effects or replacement
effects. These effects are active as long as the permanent with the ability remains on the battlefield
and has the ability, or as long as the object with the ability remains in the appropriate zone, as
described in rule 112.6.

>>55190168
I know I suck. We can suck together!

>>55187649
Which means that the simple combo of Gilded Lotus, Knacksaw Clique, and Quicksilver Elemental still works. Tap for three U, untap with I left, activate elemental, mill everyone out in the process.

>>55190079
Can you tap Gilded Lotus for mana when it's in your hand?

>>55189888
It's a tutor commander it will be an extremely boring deck since every game it will do the same exact things every time

>>55190211
Holy shit
brb ordering 4 Gilded Loti

>>55190180
>>55190146
Dash is not an activated ability tho, it's an alterante casting cost. Even if you caged a creature with dash, Mairsil wouldn't get dash ability.

>>55190104
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

who should lead my desk if i want to play eggs?

>>55190281
You should lead your head to your desk.

>>55188396
Remember to use the "Suppress colors" option to keep it from showing offcolor mana in the pie chart.

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>>55190294
Shit

>>55190266
Fuckin' hell. I wasn't even thinking about that.
But, yes, also that.
Long story short, you will never Dash Mairsil from your hand for R. Put your foil Lightning Berserker away.

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>>55190281
This is a most pegguliar question

Should I dismantle the Cat precon to fuel boros voltron, or should I combine to make naya cats n shit?

>>55190458
Not sure there's enough good red cats to justify naya, buddy.

>>55190458
never boros
please
save yourself

>>55190538
Gisela's good and Aurelia is okay I guess.

>>55190104
Are you Veruca James? I've never seen anyone sauce the video though, or maybe it's not actually her and prior IDs were wrong.

>>55190458
Why not, and this is crazy I know, but Naya Voltron?

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>>55190458
OMNATH WANTS FUEL FOR ELEMENTALS

>>55190535
Well that where the shit comes in, could do elementals with marath or something.
Make it equipment focused

>>55190580
With ursil? And keep the cats as an alternate wincon?

>>55190581
Yeah, Omnath and Horde like it a lot.

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>>55190557
>someone somewhere is still this genuinely naive and pure

>>55190618
I run Aurelia, what's so wrong with boros, memes ?

>>55190632
Boros commanders are renowned for being exstensively pushed for only beatdown and/or voltrol strategies. Also you get shit for card advantage and ramp wich are two of the (or even THE) most important things in a commander deck.

>>55190458
I kind of want to buy the cat deck, or at least a bunch of Mirri, just because she seems stupidly good.

Maybe I'm a bit naive when it comes WG, but isn't a 3cc Silent Arbiter and single-handed alpha strike enabler pretty fucking good?
At least more than $3 good?

>>55190682
Better than Duelling Grounds. Yeah, looks good to me too. Put it in a token deck or something for semi-evasion while bogging down everyone else.

>>55190580
nope just some short guy on the west coast with a hormone deficiency

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>>55190580
My google fu is strong
http://www.pornhere.org/video/3405/lets-try-anal-veruca-james

And yet I cannot charm random maybe-traps on 4chan...

>>55190671
I get by with Tudors and sunforger control. But fuck me was it expensive to build.

Alright, so here's my decided list for wraths and spot removal for Mairsil.

Wraths: Toxic Deluge, Cyclonic Rift, Nev's Disk, Oblivion Stone, Blasphemous Act.
Spot: Terminate, Go for the Throat, Chaos Warp, Vandalblast.
Counterspells: Countersquall, Dissipate, Counterflux.

Is this enough? Not enough?

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>buy catdeck
>don't get any tokens for this

what the fuck

>>55190632
Memes. They hear Boros is underpowered and just run with it. The gap in power level isn't as large as some people make it out to be.

>>55190725
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-art-of-war-3/
Might as well get input, or shitposts

>>55190769
Could put in Evacuation too. Mass-bounce is good because you get to play Mairsil again.

>>55190799
Because I think it would literally be a bloodforged battle-axe without a proper card back. Mana cost and all.

>>55190799
I just got mine and you just made me notice that too.
FUCK

>>55190836
No it would be a token with the exact abilities just no cmc

>>55190836
Sensible. My friend has been using Evac to good effect, but he runs a lot of Wheels. I guess I should probably run Wheels, since Mairsil.

Maybe DTide or Crush? Yeah, no instant speed variants for nonlands yet. I guess Cyc Rift counts, but eh.

>>55190871
It actually has the mana cost too.

>>55190854
They can't print tokens that are the exact same thing as the cards. That's why Embalm creatures remove their mana cost.

>>55190890
It's a token. Tokens have no cmc

>>55190890
>They can't print tokens that are the exact same thing as the cards. That's why Embalm creatures remove their mana cost.

aren't you contradicting yourself now?

>>55190712
Yeah, I think I saw some bad IDs anon, that scene doesn't show up there. I think 55190705 sadly is accurate after all.

Someday you'll charm the pants off someone!

>>55190602
Uril could maybe work but he definitely wants an Aura build. How about Gahiji?

>>55190918
>>55190905
Tokens that are copies of cards have the CMC of the cards they are copying. Embalm is a special exception where they deliberately removed it BECAUSE they didn't want to have tokens that would have mana costs and look like cards.

They talk about it in the Embalm reveal thing.

>>55190799
All of the zombie tokens I got from the Wizard deck have Gold on their flip-side. It's fuckin' weird.

>>55190905
Things that make tokens generally have no mana cost, like saproling tokens etc.

Making a token copy of a card like Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Spawnwrithe tokens, Rite of Reflection tokens etc copy the whole card. That includes it having the cmc of the card.

>>55190932
If you cant find trap-love on 4 chan, then you have no hope.

>>55190972
>Reflection
*Replication

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>>55190981

>>55190932
Question still stands, keep the cats?

>>55190682
Needs to live a turn to do anything if you don't have some other way to tap her down the turn she comes out.

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>>55190960
Two of the gold tokens in dragons have 6/6s on their back side and one has a 4/4. The cat tokens have two of each, it's bothering me more than it should.

>>55185338
>What's your favorite way to reanimate things?
Pic related as commander. It's just funny to use a card for probably the opposite of it's intended effect.

>How does it actually win you the game
Get a bunch of high cmc token maker and anthem and wittle everyone's life total down. Get your usual support like Panharmonicon and Purphoros while people play their wraths and then throw 50 hasty power on the board an kill everything.

>and how do you deal with hate?
I really don't get much hate usually. People don't care much about a guy having 10ish vanilla power and a bunch of do-nothing permanents on the board. But then my meta isn't very competitive.

>>55191066
Sure, those dragon-cat tokens are absurdly cute.

>>55191094
That's jund friend.

>>55191072
I feel like one of these Zombies may as well have a Snapcaster Mage token copy on it.

>>55191071
I suppose I don't play competitive Commander. I have no real interest in it, so the whole "dies to removal" is sort of valid here.
Part of why I like her is that even if she hasn't attacked, if you're on the defensive, she doesn't need to be tapped.

*record scratch*
Holy shit I totally misread.
I thought her second ability was "as long as she's untapped."
Never mind. I see why she's only $3-5.

>>55190124
Hammer
Blade of Selves
Skullclamp
Boots
Greaves
Grafted Exoskeleton
Behemoth Sledge
Loxodon Warhammer
Worldslayer
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Feast and Famine

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How do you guys feel about the lair lands?

>>55191236
Flavorful but ultimately just shit sadly

>>55191236

Mixes feels,
i run dromar's and darigaaz on my Horde of notions deck but i feel the're too slow

>>55191236
If you run Aether Hub, Tendo Ice Bridge and other counter lands they're probably quite alright.
Still, with the setback I would only use them in 4/5 colour decks.

>>55191236
They seem a bit slower, but I like them, and, as just a slightly competitive casual player, they're nice and cheap.
(Also kinda like seeing the old elder dragon names.)

>>55190618
Also, again, as a moderately competitive but still casual commander player, what's the deal with Boros?

I tend to only play 3+ colors, anyway, but what makes Boros specifically bad?

>>55191236
Permanently one land drop behind is awful

>>55191317
Wouldn't it make them okay-ish in any deck that gives a fuck about permanent drops/landfall, though?

>>55191313
Because muh card advantage and ramp makes people avoid it and meme about it being inferior

>merged my jank Gahiji dragon deck with Ur-Dragon

I have never played 5-color in my life. What am I in for?

>>55191300
I run them in my Sliver edh along side exploration and burgeoning and they seem to do good 9/10 times. But im also not in a super competitive group.

>>55191332
Fetches and Karoos do that job but better, or using something controlled like Mina and Denn or Kamigawa Moonfolk when you know you're out of land drops

>>55190960
They really should have made a few of them just a full-art token of one or two of Inalla's hooded Wizard gang bang buddies in her background with just "Creature" on it and no stats to use to track her clones.

Thinking of making some wizard tokens for her for that purpose. Is it hard to make proper tokens/proxies and how expensive is that?

>>55191374
Dreams and being able to put in counterspells, mana ramp, and card draw etc

>>55191313
It has relatively bad card draw and wizards barely prints anything other than aggro for it.

>>55191332
Landfall decks have better options in green spells and the ravnica bounce lands.

>>55191374
Very expansive mana base or not doing very much for the first few turns and then still winning because people ignored you all game.

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>>55191053

>>55191313
Boros is just a bit shoehorned into "attack every turn with everything" regarding their commanders while not having the search/draw/ramp power to aim for other tactics using their deck (and not having many options in that regard either since pretty much all golden Boros cards also are focused on combat).

>>55189499
Buying out Walmart IS a good idea AFTER they stop printing the product. All he did was make wizards print more.

>>55191424
>mindbreaking a succubus
Always bothered me.

>>55191313
Boros is an aggro combo in a format that makes aggro 6x harder. In 60 card casual, Boros is fine, because you're only gunning for 20 life. In EDH, you're gunning for 120 life. The deck pisses through cards quickly, unless you're running Wheels. Wheel is also $50, so it's a little beyond the scope of moderate competitive.

Furthermore, what does the deck do besides swing, MLD and sunforger?

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>>55191424
Wait a second...

>>55191421
Ravnica bounce lands enter tapped. But I don't like 'em or the lairs.

>>55191395
I think you can get the materials for cleaning cards and printing sheet for ten twelve-ish bucks. Maybe another five if you need random foils.

>>55191473
I'm still annoyed that Boros doesn't have more battlefield tactics and logistics effects. If the theme is being an army, let us do some actual strategy rather than swinging with everything.

>>55191453
I spoke to some employee at Target about how they NEVER have any cards in backstock anymore.
Most areas all have their cards stocked by vendors now, so there's few and far between instances where buying out does anything other than bug the shit out of people who were hoping to find cards on shelves.

I'm pretty sure Wizards knows by now that most retail outlets aren't the best place to sell their product.
(Unless you're in some random suburb where you could probably find years old boxes gathering dust.)

>>55189499
Yes, fuck this guy

>>55191516
My main concern is how you'd print onto the card. Doesn't seem like a regular printer would work, considering the paper is pulled around corners inside it.

>>55191503
Yeah, but I was talking in the context of getting easy land drops.
And while bounce lands set you back one turn the turn you play them, tapping for two mana means your back on curve the next turn.
Lairs don't set you back the turn after you play them and stay that way. It only get worse if you play multiple.

>>55189499
The best part about this is that our vendors will see that it sells really well and clear extra rack space for more product. They do it every time Duel Decks come out, too.

t. Wal-Mart worker

>>55191473
MLD seems like ass more than half the time anyway. Make things unfun for most everyone. What a wonderful plan.

The life thing I wasn't really considering, but that makes sense.

It seems like an important aspect for Boros would be multiple combats, but that's not exactly something easy to balance, nor is it very "exhilarating."

I guess adding tactics into your army means you're adding Blue into the mix.

>>55191503
Weirdly, perhaps stupidly, I still think I prefer the Lairs. Lands that make multiple mana per usage are vastly better, though.

>>55191593
Same guy who talked to Target employee.

Isn't there backlash to that?
When that vendor comes back a few weeks later and sees a dozen of the same Duel Deck, do they reset their expectations, or something?

>>55191559
You don't print into the card itself, your normal household printer can't do anything with the card format. You basicly print onto normal paper and glue that to the card.

Here's one example on how to do that with foils: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOzLjQEQYzk

>>55191626
Only if they actually remember/recognize that product not selling well. Whoever decides to buy that stuff probably just looks at a bunch of rows in a table of thousanfs of products.

>>55191626
Duel Decks have a much more limited market than other supplemental product. Preconstructed Decks meant for general play both sell more and sell more consistently, so seeing large initial numbers is much more promising, as they know by now that it's usually people chasing value that buy it all up at first, and the regular consumers will still be there if they can move fast enough to restock. The fuckwit in question likely spurred a few managers to bring in more product a few days earlier, cutting off his own market. But hey, it's a bigger quarterly bonus for me, so I ain't complaining.

>>55191516
More master Warcraft and old office, with more fight to the death effects. With reflecting palm spells for good measure

>>55191762
Old odric
Fucking phone

>>55191235
The Shroud from Greaves blocks the auto equip from his Hammer. Quest for the Holy Relic and Stonehewer Giant are the only cards that can still equip him once the Greaves are on.

>>55191421
Red has actually gotten pretty decent pseudo draw with the "exile card, you can play it until end of turn" mechanic.

White has land tax and plenty of situational draw.

When should I get a doubling season /edhg/?
Will it ever go down or should I cut my losses?

>>55187398
meme commander

>>55191986
They still knock it because it doesn't match up to blue and green.

>>55185338
>What's your favorite way to reanimate things?
Alesha
>How does it actually win you the game
>By kicking the shit out of people. My group is pretty low-power do I don't run Master of Cruelties, but Raving Dead is a half-decent substitute
>and how do you deal with hate?
No one runs grave hate except me

>>55191986
Eh, the pseudo draw is usally pretty meh because you already spend mana to have access to the card. It lends itself to playing a bunch of cheap spells, but I doubt we'll see any storm-lite in the future.

>>55192018
If Wizards is kind it will be in the "Masters 25" reprint set coming next march. But that probably won't tank it down, it's an extremely popular card.

Like, I don't think the Masters Blood Moon reprint made a big change to the price at all.

If the Ur-Dragon is declared as an attacker and his activated ability puts Atarka, World Render onto the battlefield, will the Ur-Dragon's attack have double strike?

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>>55192090
Good day sir, may I interest you in ressurecting any two creatures every turn for the low price of two mana?

>>55190832
Consider Eldrazi Displacer/Cloudshift to milk extra combat steps out of Aurelia by making her a new Object. Take note: Displacer must be used in response to Aurelia's untap trigger (barring her from actually participating in combat) to continue looping it (provided you don't have another way to untap her)

>>55192207
No, by the trigger resolves the creatures are already atticking and don't trigger whenever attacks trigger anymore. It would work with extra combat phases though.

>>55192213
I don't think it works that way unless the res'd thing has an etb.

Try Strionic Resonator instead.

>>55192275
That goes for >>55191072 too

>>55192275
Karmic Guide, it also puts itself in the graveyard. Panharmonicon doubles it's ETB trigger and nets you two more creatues. Take a Sun Titan for extra fun or use a Mirage Mirror to double the Panharmonicon.
Strionic Resonator is still good though.

>>55187398
>build Master Jank not once, not twice, but three fucking times by now
>First do artifacts, because artifact decks activate my almonds while also requiring little actual effort to toss together in a hurry
>Next do a jank-ass spellslinger build, abandon it because caging Jhoira is not as good as I thought it would be
>third time's the charm
>Pyxis of Pandemonium, Bane Alley Broker, Temple Bell, Humble Defector, Pili-Pala and other untappers, so on
>Sol ring, pili-pala, exile topdeck with pyxis, thousand-year elixr, temple bell, Horseshoe Crab with the pili-pala mana, pass him off with Humble Defector, all in one turn, also have a Homeward Path just in case someone doesn't want to embrace the jank

>>55192227
I like cloudshift cause I can hammer it out.

>>55192337
Oh yeah, Karmic Guide.

>>55192340
you can also target angel of serenity to perma exile 3 targets

>>55192390
I cut her because of the heavy cost though. Too many expensive angels and she wasn't pulling her weight.

so how the fuck do we build him?

>>55192338
>Mairsil, the Pretender has all activated abilities of all cards you own in exile with cage counters on them.
>cards you OWN
they can't use the things you have caged, but give her an assault suit and then homeward path her back to you in order to utilize your jank everyone's turn

>>55192423
Wait is this the wrong version of my deck?

>>55192425
We have the fucking technology.

>>55192442
FUCK
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/aurelia-got-hammer-and-shes-not-afraid-to-use-it/
That's my deck, the other one was an old account I can't get back into.

>>55192270
Thanks, that's what I thought.

>>55192437
... Fuckin' hell, you're right. I can only extend the memes so far.

Also, I'm curious. Can anyone think of a combo to tap Pyxis of Pandemonium an arbitrary number of times? I know that once you're capable of doing that you may as well just Fractured Identity a Leveller, but I want maximum chaos memes.

>>55192701
Something like Gilded Lotus + Pili-pala lets you screw around with tapping and untapping.

>>55192437
>her

>>55192768
This misconception is why I think Wizards should've used art of himself when he threw his soul into a ring.

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>>55192425
forgot pic

>>55192846
Just adorned pouncer bro

>>55192846
Lost Leonin

>>55192846
Steppe Lynx
Maybe just shitty G/W landfall

>>55192540
consider commander's sphere. It is a strict upgrade over Boros Cluestone

>>55187385
Triggers go thus:
>Ghostly Flicker on the stack
>Dualcaster cast, enters
>Copy Flicker, potential for Inalla triggers
>Infinite off him alone, but you will continue to create infinite dualcaster etbs and flicker copies until your dying day unless you have something else to flicker. There is no haste here.
This combo goes better with heat shimmer or twin flame, as you don't need flickers or other complex interactions to create infinite hasty tokens.