Starfinder General /sfg/

>>54976796

Because it's too busy being the snarky inner monologue helping him to uncover various clues and what not and causing him to talk aloud so people look at him strangly

>>54976796
So it has a tier equal to half your level, but gets bonuses equal to twice its tier right? So the bonus will always be equal to your level, or one less than?

Is there any way to improve this? Seems like it'd be pretty shit for social skills before even considering any roleplay obstacles it'd run into.

GM screen?

>>54976987
It's not great compared to someone actually putting in an investment, but if nothing else it can take over for you when absolutely necessary if you're a low CHA degenerate who can't into people at all. Or just give you +2 through Aid Another. Don't even need it up to tier for that one.

>>54976987
There isn't any way to improve it yet but it basically adds 4 Skill points per level, though only to Bluff, Diplomacy, Intimidate, and Sense Motive and treats them as non-class skills with no ability modifier. On the up side it costs practically nothing, as hardened would be redundant since if you has it implanted it can't be damaged and if you are concerned about it getting hacked you are going to buy a better security upgrade than the free one you could potentially get in place of the AP/VI.

asking for an online character sheet again

>>54977124

Mind you, with the skill scaling in this game the chance of actually passing something on-level is basically nill. Starfinder's skill scaling is nonsense.

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Do we have a guide of all the changes from Pathfinder to Starfinder mechanics wise?

Also, what is a FUSION SEAL and what is just a FUSION?

>>54977503
Check the cheat sheet in the OP.

Yes but what about Fusions vs Fusion Seals

did no one buy this book cause this general is dead
meanwhile pathfinder is gettin jacked off
and it's a dead system that needs to be replaced by starfinders

>>54977503
A fusion is a weapon quality, but they exist as discrete items. They can be applied to and removed from weapons with a bit of work.

Fusion SEALS are the same, but cost 10% more. In exchange they can be swapped around with I think no work at all

>>54977639
That's a totally fucking confusing, arbitrary, and pointless distinction.

>>54977661
>arbitrary
We're talking about magical weapon augments that would be implausible even if they weren't fictional. Arbitrary is to be expected.

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>>54977635

Probably once we get a few game sessions going we'll get more popular. That said, while I don't like the overly autistic super analysis of 2hou I would like to see some general fixes until some kind of errata drops, I'd be willing to compile them if people are willing to recall them.

>>54977728
Mine is in application phase now. Very little activity so far.

https://www.myth-weavers.com/game.php?g=29551

>>54977884
Fuck off with that shit. PbP is worse cancer than /pfg/'s celebshit

What reasons are there to make an Exocortex Mechanic instead of a Drone Mechanic?

As far as I can tell, all you can use it for is to:
>Make yourself a worse Soldier against a limited number of targets.
>Reroll a knowledge check once per day and get the Skill Focus feat.
>Use the Computers skill faster than you normally can or without spending any actions on it.
>Give yourself a limited number of drone modifications.

What's a good, more established system to steal art from for upcoming Starfinder shenanigans?

>>54977728

Is that a modern Kali?

>>54978003
No, it's a futuristic Kali.

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>>54978003
>>54978049

She exists in all ages in a form appropriate for the time

>>54977999
Depends on what kind of feel you're going for

>>54977728
>>54978003
>>54978049
It's a fucking Metal Gear Solid boss is what it is.

>>54977999
Degenesis, Eclipse Phase, Dark Heresy and other 40KRPGs.

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I need pictures.

Pictures of Space Elves!

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>>54978259

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>>54978259

Do undead space elves count?

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Please don't bully my Shirren mechanic!

>>54978344
Yes, yes they do!

>>54978414
THEN STOP LAYING YOUR FUCKING EGGS ON THE DRIVE CORE!!!

Your reminder that if your Starfinder game doesn't look like this, you're doing it wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGV6bCTMM5w

>>54978344
Man, I loved the aesthetic of Wildstar, and the writing. Shame it was wasted on a MMORPG in the WoW goldrush.

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Is the first /sfg/ Starfinder campaign going to be a Bamboozle?

Should soldiers max out perception? it lets you act in surprise rounds, and literally anyone else can be the skill monkey.

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Cyber animal companions when?

>>54978543
Your Droid can be built to look like an animal.

If you're talking about an actual meaty animal companion chromed out? You can already domesticate animals with the Survival skill, however animals commonly domesticated are not listed.

>>54978543
I don't think there's anything RAW or RAI that'd stop you from running your combat drone as a quadruped mech-beast is there? I don't think extra legs protect you against trip, and I don't think drone weapon mounts require arms.

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>>54978588

>>54978613

I think in my mind I'm thinking of something more than just the Mechanic's Drone. Then again I don't know what you could do to make a cyber'd animal any more different or relevant than saying a drone just looks like an animal for sake of apperance. I was thinking it would be the basis for an Archetype but it's a pretty shallow idea when you think on it and is probably best left as feat or something.

>>54978643
just fluff the drone and say you cyborged an animal into it

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>>54978737

I pretty much said that. After thinking about it there really isn't a way to make it any different from a drone that is made to look that way as it wouldn't matter mechanically.

I would guess having a meat brain instead of a cyber brain would make it so it could use morale bonuses but I think there is an Envoy ability that allows them to give morale bonusses to things that wouldn't normally be able to receive them.

Bestiary pdf when?

>>54979123

at least october

>>54979123
Months away

>>54979133
>Bestiary at the end of October
>Next release isn't until March afterwards
They weren't kidding about this schedule.

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>>54979123
>>54979133
>>54979136
>>54979156

So I guess in the meantime we have to bullshit some monsters and encounters out of First Contact and whatever adventure splats are up?

>>54979156
>They weren't kidding about this schedule.
Yeah, it's rather thin, not counting Society/Organized Play offerings.

August - Core book, AP 1, basic terrain & space mats, gm screen, character sheet folio, combat/initiative pad, crb pawns
September - Condition Cards
October - Bestiary, AP 2, Cantina map
November - Bestiary pawns
December - AP 3, Starship map
January - [nothing]
February - AP 4
March - Setting

>>54979184
Pathfinder conversion rules are super simple and actually play fine.

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>>54979184

Pretty much. Still, the Alien Archive should prove useful.

>>54978173
Shadowrun, as well, if you're going for that kind of flavor.

is cleave recommended for melee characters? not sure just what to grab at level 1 for a melee blitz soldier

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>>54979416

Low-level feats (i.e. feats apart from the likes of Enhanced Resistance) for soldiers are so weak in Starfinder that Weapon Focus, of all feats, is actually a good purchase.

One of the main weaknesses of soldiers is that they have an abundance of feats, but so few are the feats that are actually worth taking.

>>54979416
SKILL FOCUS. EVERY ODD LEVEL.

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How extensive is the beastiary in the Dead Suns adventure path? Or, at the very least, what are the important bits of lore for Abasalom Station do we need to homebrew our own shit.

>>54979718
Why is Jetstream Sam holding a potion?

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>>54979803

He cut himself so he can feel what it was like to get the healing affect because the mooks were too weak to hurt him.

Why is the crb hosted on some garbage shit service and not on something that works?

>>54979718
Dead Suns Over Paradise?

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>mfw the opening scene of Dead Suns

>>54980050

Is that what it's called?

>>54980059

Haven't read it yet-how's it go?

>>54980085
You get caught in the middle of a gang war followed swiftly by an ambush at a crowded club.

>>54979718
There are seven creatures in the book's alien archive, so not very extensive.

I want a chaotic evil vesk soldier

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>>54980267

What's stopping you from doing it champ?

Is this a good Roll20 to play?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/86665/starfinder-the-silent-war

>>54980297
Don't have the rulebook

>>54980297
>>54980333
Yeah, we HAD a link in the pastebin, but I think the upload died.

>>54979470
>>54979501
so, weapon focus in melee and skill focus on something i'll use a lot for my bonus feat?

>>54978472
I see you have exquisite taste in music, my good sir.

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>>54980499

If you are a Blitz soldier, I would advise Weapon Focus and either Cleave or Improved Initiative. Presumably, you will be paying credits for a tactical pike, since a 1st-level character can purchase 2nd-level items without issue. Cleave, therefore, might see some use.

Improved Initiative is not as valuable in Starfinder due to the somewhat padded-sumo-like combat (yes, even at 1st level) and the lack of flat-footed-ness for having yet to act. Still, it is a solid feat.

>>54980107

So what you're saying is, these two themes are relevant for the book?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aXrLt9a6eE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLelk26BlEM

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So reading through the crb, one it's a shame the augmentations are so limited, and two even wit the inclusion of Hybrid items there's no hybrid augmentations.

I'm thinking of picking though old 3.5 books for ideas for magitek augmentations.

Last week I made a post asking for a couple of people to complete my group, and I promised I'd share the party composition here when it was done. Well, we had our first game today and I'm going to keep my word. No storytime yet, since there's not much to say storywise so far. Also, writing this from memory so expect some errors.

First we have Vicks, human ace pilot envoy, an ex-military turned pilot for hire, with a happy-go-lucky attitude and a carefree outluck on life.

Then we have Rozog, the vrsk mercenary soldier, who until recently worked as private security for the spaceship the party met at. His goals in life are to grow huge and use heavy weaponry. So far he's accomplishing both.

PNK-1K is next, an AI that overtook an old robot and grew sentient (android technically). She's the party's soldier sharpshooter. After her originally crew went missing, she took to streaming her work on space twitch along with the next party member.

Ash, human operative outlaw, she was a security officer of the ISP (in setting human goverment) until her habit of livestreaming her combat missions got her fired. Now she enjoys travelling with PNK trying to become e-celebs while hoping to get a side project smuggling guns and tech to underdeveloped planets.

Last is Seth, human technomancer and a career military man, he's on a mission to explore the ISP controlled space and study their customs for his Empire. What the Empire hopes to gain from said intelligence remains to be seen.

That's it for now. Might share how their adventure begins next week or the one after that depending on how much progress they make next session.

>>54980608
>Presumably, you will be paying credits for a tactical pike, since a 1st-level character can purchase 2nd-level items without issue. Cleave, therefore, might see some use.
tactical pike seems to just be the go-to for "level 1 character melee weapon", is there any reason to get anything else that isn't roleplay or saving credits?
also, if i don't plan on using reach weapons past that, should i grab improved initiative instead?

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>>54980641

Need more crazy shit like this
>Bio-mechanical armor and bio-mechanical augmentations.

>>54980786
Does Starfinder have Power Attack? Do you still get a 1.5x STR damage when two-handing a weapon?

Frankly, I need to know everything there is to know about melee combat in Starfinder, because I'm interested in trying it out yet I don't know just how much is different from Pathfinder melee combat.

>>54980881
Power attack was rolled into deadly aim and significantly nerfed. 1.5x is a feature rather than baseline, but you get more damage out of features more and the damage from strength is far less important.

>>54980994
So, the pain of using a one-handed sword is much less than in Pathfinder? I like it!

What's the point a mechanic NOT having their custom rig as a cybernetic augmentation? I don't see why you would want to take up an armor add-on slot thing and I definitely don't see why you would want to make it a handheld computer you can easily lose.

>>54981311
After you get an AI you can give it instructions and let it read back to others on your instruction. More secure than passing a note.

>>54981311
According to the cybernetics section, you can only have one thing in each slot. So if you put it in your arm, you can't put anything else there.

There's no downside to putting it in your head right now, since datajacks are the only brain slot thing right now, but that might change in the future.

>>54981387
I think datajacks can be combined with rigs as an exception too can't they?

>>54981413
That's why I said 'no downside' bud.

is max perception required on combat munchkins, or what else should a soldier invest in, that does more in combat?

>>54981511
You should never not put max ranks into perception.
Athletics, Acrobatics, Bluff, and Perception are the "might roll it in combat" skills.
Possibly add Medicine to the list if you don't have a Mystic on the team to cast Stabilize for you.

>>54981387
I can't figure out how this works flavor-wise. Custom rigs count as pretty much every kind of tool. If I need a screwdriver, how does an implant in my brain help me?

>>54981667
If I had to explain it, I'd say that the tools still sprout from like your wrist or whatever.

But because the bulk of it, the actual computer bit, is inside your head, there's enough space for another thing in that arm.

So I just picked this book up.

I want to make one of the four arms and an outlaw

Is there a designed "that guy" character archetype yet

>>54981760
>Is there a designed "that guy" character archetype yet

What do you mean? Kasatha Operative (Outlaw) seems like what you want here.

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So the discussion about how much a Ysoki can carry in their cheek pouches from the last thread go me curious (and also because I'm an autist who can't visualize what 1 cubic foot looks like), but this confirms that either the Ysoki can easily carry 10 pistols and/or grenades in their cheeks.

Something tells me Paizo didn't think too hard about this one

>>54981850
... So.

What you're saying is that the art actually depicts their heads as TOO SMALL.

>>54981850
Not 10. 19 pistols or grenades. L is 1/10 bulk, but it doesn't count until it's a full set of 10. Unless that's been specifically changed, you can almost but not quite double the fun through the power of rounding.

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>>54981890
You're underestimating cheek pouches.

>>54981850

Of course they considered it, anon. Due to living in magically unstable areas of the Darklands for generations, ratfolk now have miniature pocket dimensions in their mouths.

>>54981916
Now I'm trying to decide on what the cutoff point is before the fact that they've got a worryingly large amount of unidentified items becomes blatantly obvious.

>>54981936
What if they actually had pocket dimensions inside their mouths, though? The bag of holding - I mean null-space chamber, that's bulk L too, so you can put 19 of those in your mouth. And at the maximum level, that's 200 bulk each, or 2009 grenades.

It would cost just under 5,000,000 just for storage, but a Ysoki could have 38,171 grenades in their mouth.

>>54982155
If I had to ballpark something, I'd say half-full just to be lazy. Adjust up or down to taste - maybe 1/3 or 2/3 full, as you like.

>>54981039
there's literally no reason to use a one-handed sword besides fluff and saving credits. the only shield is a high level armor augment, so your 'off-hand' might as well be jacking you off, it has nothing else to do.

>>54982359
Fluff, saving credits, and remembering the setting has laser pistols.

>>54982359
>so your 'off-hand' might as well be jacking you off
Put a fucking gun in it

>>54982384
laser pistols are for those who forget about laser rifles

>>54982359
Changing handling is a swift that prevents full attacks.

>>54982408
Or people who want to be able to go between melee and shooting without losing actions.

I just realized SF doesn't have AR.
Wonder if they intentionally avoided that because it was "too shadowrun" or just overlooked it.

>>54978259
Thirty years of Eldar isn't enough?
Also look for pics of Traveller's Darrians.

From previous thread:
>Okay but where are the Tau and Eldar and Necrons
Humans, Elves, and Androids with attitude. Mechanical details and cultural details are separate things.

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So has anyone else noticed that there's zero fucking reason to ever have a stat at 17?

Because of how statboosting from levels works now, Boosting a 17 will get you 18, but boosting a 16 will also get you an 18.

It's a cursed number.

But on the other hand, your fucking theme bonus means that you'll have a random-ass odd number floating around your stats. So unless you want that odd number to hound you for fucking ever, you need to boost a stat that's 17 or higher at least once.

You get an even number of pointbuy, personal upgrades are even, and unless you want to have a random odd number in your stats, you need to boost an odd number at least once, but for that to work THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE SEVENTEEN BECAUSE 15 IS TOO LOW AND 19 IS TOO HIGH

This is fucking destroying me.

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>>54983027

That's the plan, anon.

I plan to just make sure all the stats I intend to improve on are even, and throw away that last odd point on a stat I'll never touch

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>>54983054
I'm dying, anon.

Oh yeah, and because pointbuy is 1:1, racial bonuses don't matter, nor do theme bonuses to ability scores, since they work out to going wherever you want. Default pointbuy is effectively just 13

>>54983072
BUT IT'S STILL THERE, ANON.

>>54983101
Yeah I can live with that
I'm just surprised you can't lower stats for more points

>>54983141
At 1 for 1 at least it'd render racials meaningless.

Why does a hygiene kit almost take up 20% of my character's carrying capacity? I just want a sponge, a bar of soap, a comb, and some nail clippers. I can carry that in my pocket.

I think I'd rather just fucking stink.

>>54983027
>So has anyone else noticed that there's zero fucking reason to ever have a stat at 17?
I *thought* I was seeing Rifts influences scattered around. May have to engage in some chemo if I spot too many.

>Each time you reach one of these level thresholds choose four of your ability scores to increase

>Four

Huh. This doesn't fix my quibble but that's still kinda nice.

>>54983296
Actually, you know what, no, I think this does fix my quibble. The impact of one point lost is much less relevant, since boosting one stat and getting a +1 is less of a waste when you're boosting 3 others and getting +2s

Plus, if you do take 17 for you main stat, then boost it each time... it will be 5 points higher from levelling. So 22. But this doesn't stop you levelling up OTHER things as well, because you get four increases...

Fuck me I'm giving myself a headache.

Captcha: Only Stressless

Goddamnit.

Does damage from supercharge weapon and empower weapon get multipled on a crit?

>>54983673
>You roll your damage twice, each time with all
your usual bonuses and including any additional damage from special abilities, and then add the rolls together.
Looks like it.
Huh, guess that means the Operative's Trick Attack gets multiplied too.

>>54983752
Too bad the falchion doesn't exist in this game, sounds hella fun to crit fish as a sword technomancer.

>>54983801
There's a *lot* of focus on crit abilities, but I think the best one can do is temporarily 19-20 by the science officer's action

will people convert 40k to starfinder? did people convert warhammer to pathfinder / D&D ?

>>54983196
> hygiene kit
i bet you buy rations, too

>>54983345
the trick to odd numbers is to get a feat which uses them. i'm going to take connection inkling and become a level 0.5 mystic at level 10

Is it just me or does two handing str weapons no longer grant 1.5 str to damage now?

So someone makes a good point on the paizo forums...

Look at the statblocks for NPC ships.

A tier 2 BMC mauler has +12 to attack. That's 6 higher than a PC with +4 dex can do.

How in the fuck does a level 2 gunner have +12 to attack.

Is it just me or does Luci play like an utter fucking retard?

>>54983911
Correct. Two-handing gives you access to better weapons, though.

>>54983944
Probably a spaceship splat will include spaceship centered augmentations.

>Diversion
>You can draw attention to yourself, allowing your allies to slip away.
>c Benefit: When you success fully use Bluff to create a distraction, you can allow an ally to attempt a Stealth check to hide (instead of attempting to hide yourself). You can attempt to allow multiple allies to use Stealth to hide. but you take a -5 penalty to your Bluff check for every ally after the first, and on a failed check no ally can attempt to hide.
>e Normal: Using Bluff to create a distraction allows only you to attempt a Stealth check to hide

Don't you just love feats for things that you should be able to do by roleplay anyway?

>>54983995
Those ships do not have such augmentations.

>>54984040
Could be worse, the feat that lets you create cover by knocking down barrels or shit shouldnt cost a feat and if I ever run a game I'll houserule it to be free.

>>54984040
That... it feels to me like they are designing a video game more then an rpg that offers wiggle room

>>54984045
The gunner could have an unrevealed augmentation or feat that gives +10 to gunnery. Every 'wtf' you encounter is another splat opportunity.

>>54984040
You won't succeed either at higher levels, even if it's against a group of complete mooks

You're doing this check against the higher of their sense motive or of 15+CR*1.5, so say you're level 12, that's a minimum of DC 33, with -5 to your roll per ally.

>>54984067
Yeah they're not gonna do that. Plus the augmentations right now don't work. Unless an item specifically calls out affecting crew rolls, even that +6 dex implant could be argued to have no effect in ship combat.

Can somebody leak the Starfarer's companion?

>>54983825
>19-20 by the science officer's action
N-nani?

>>54984138
There is no crit confirmation anymore. Nor is their crit range or crit multipliers other than x2.

If you roll a 20 and you would have actually hit with it, it's a crit. Done. Double damage.

Science officers can make a ship weapon crit on a 19-20.

>>54984112
Trust me, anon, you do NOT want it. Makes the starship DCs look well-reasoned.

I mean, I knew Owen and Agunas had hard-ons for casters, but they're not even trying anymore.

>>54980687
Post campaign logs. Lets see what you're made of.

Can drones with Climbing Claws use them like natural weapons? How does that work?

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>>54984344
>Can drones with Climbing Claws use them like natural weapons?
drones always have a natural weapon at -4 IIRC, you can fluff it however you want.

>>54983027
roll stats

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>>54984816
>rolling stats

>friends want me to run a game
>there's no fucking bestiary out yet so it's impossible to design encounters
>don't want to subscribe to the adventure path thing because it isn't made clear if any of it is even available yet
What's the point of releasing the CRB without anything fucking else?

>>54984852
Use conversion rules on PF bestiary?

>>54983027
Lets say you went human, you put your +2 racial on your main stat and your theme on either main or secondary stat. That's 13 pts to play around with.

I'd go 18 main 15 secondary and 10 on everything else. Come level 5 you're looking at 19 main 17 secondary and at level 10 you have 20 main 18 secondary. All in all, not so shabby.

Does Starfinder mean we'll stop getting retarded aliens and shit in Pathfinder?

>>54984897
Nah mate, now they can just port aliens and shit back into Pathfinder

>>54984852
>What's the point of releasing the CRB without anything fucking else?
you know it's possible to create your own setting, right?

>>54984918
I'm not going through all the effort of creating an entire setting's worth of creatures for my players to encounter. That's kind of the point of systems like Pathfinder and Starfinder. That kinda work has been done for you.

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>>54984934
i mean.... you can make aliens with class lvls
there are also aliens in the PHB and darksun

>>54984172
>Science officers can make a ship weapon crit on a 19-20.
Would still have to confirm the crit on a 19.
Nat20 crits are the only ones that don't need to be confirmed anymore.

>>54984953
I assume you mean Dead Suns. Is the first book actually out?

>>54984967
Oh so it's like D&D 5E except slightly more complicated for no benefit?

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>>54984970
idk what its called, encounter at absolon station or something, yes its out, or at least... leaked

>>54983027
Nothing needs 17, but there are plenty of things need 13 or 15. Just plant ahead and make sure to put that one odd stat in something that would otherwise be a 10 that you might want to boost up to 13 or 15 for a feat or something.

>>54976796
>waifutrash OP image again
Kill this general already, it's just gonna turn into the same cesspool as /pfg/ because you let discord in.

>>54981906
>19 grenades in cheek pouches
[nasheed intensfies]

>>54985088
Maybe it's because /sfg/ was linked from /pfg/ to begin with m8

>>54984852
Improvise. Adapt. Overcome. Make shit up on the fly. Just be consistent. Take notes. Soon, you'll have a bestiary of your own.

>>54984852
>I'm not a good GM

>>54977999
Might as well go for Star Wars for western feels or one of the Jap sci-fi settings like Cowboy Bebop or BLAME!

I want to romance a ship-sized void-adapted space-native dragon. What is the best way to go about doing so? I'm thinking ace pilot android engineer and literally become a space ship with... biological parts added.

>>54985789
Why not firefly?

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Friendly reminder that we have a Starfinder discussion Discord here.

https://discord.gg/YAk263j

>>54985874
Why not Flash Gordon?
or He-Man?

>>54985874
Why imitate firefly when you can one-up it with a traveler game of your own?

>>54985884
Friendly reminder that it's a shitty discord with Arkwright and his waifu 2hu, while the non-autistic discord is here: https://discord.gg/KPKWdyr

>>54985884
This here?
This here is a place for discussion.

Why in the fuck would we want to split it into here and some chatroom?

>>54985945

Same reason why whenever one of these two threads (/pfg/ and /sfg/) dies, we end up with three new threads off of that one death. Because none of you fucks can just suck it up when someone does something you don't like.

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>>54976796
what is a character with 6 int like?
my droid has 6 int

>>54985798
I do not understand you or the purpose of what you seek. Find help and render yourself sterile so that your perversions do not further infest the population.

>>54986082
You're either as dumb as an Orc, or even dumber. Advanced concepts come hard to you, and even basic ones seem "smart" or "intelligent."

>>54986082
some how your droid is drooling on itself half the time and barely able to form coherent words

>>54986082
You can only follow orders using specific words.
So you are SIRI, including the way you keep asking others do they meant what they said in the most frustrating method possible.

>>54986490
For some reason, people immediately exaggerate low INT. It might just have to do with self-esteem.
A creature at INT 3 is considered sapient, capable of communication and abstract thought. It'll be very, very bad at applying those, but it can. A character at INT 6 is probably at the level of the most genuinely fucking dense human being you've met, but not non-sapient.
>>54986532
You're thinking of WIS.

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>>54986416
>>54986490
>>54986532
>>54986082
my character has 18 int
but my mechanic droid has 6 int
im wondering what its like to talk to a droid with 6 int.

>>54986580
Like I said, just think how it feels like talking and giving orders to SIRI and you get the gist.

>>54986551
Straight from the PFSRD

6–7 –2 Troll, hell hound, ogre, yrthak Dull-witted or slow, often misuses and mispronounces words

>>54986596
Those are unofficial definitions.

>>54986612
well considering that 10 is the average human intelligence...

>>54986580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6SSETwRkhk

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>Page 26, Ability Score Increases
>Every 5th level you increase 4 of your ability scores (5, 10, 15, 20)
>Second paragraph gives an example, assumes the ability score increase is at level 4

HOW

WHY

>>54987320
it is a typical mind gap
the author was thinking "when you level up at lvl 4" but instead wrote being lvl 4

I refuse to believe that ops pic has a unitard so tight as to show her belly button but not to have a camel toe.
Therefore, starfinder must be shit.

>>54984197
There's a 57 page preview for it at DriveThru RPG. Convince yourself to not touch it.

>>54987499
I downloaded the example and saw the bookmarks. I really want to look over the equipment and computer sections but the rest looks like ass

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>>54976796
does anyone know what the kalo look like?
they are supposed to be aquatic people on one of brethedas moons but there are no pictures or descritions

>>54987683
use your imagination

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>>54987702
i know what i want them to look like.
but i want to know what is canon

>>54987683
>>54987787
They're described as lovely, cultured, and utterly waterbound, which more or less insists they're Sirens/Mermaids.

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>>54987827
>They're described as lovely, cultured, and utterly waterbound, which more or less insists they're Sirens/Mermaids.
yay

Just got invited to a Starfinder game

I played two sessions of pathfinder 3 years ago, but don't know too much about the rules

what am I in for /tg/? and starting at level 1, how would I go about making a cute mechanic girl?

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>>54987827

I bet they're giant moray eel people, anon!

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>>54976796
when do threads autosage?
i want to make the next thread so this nigger of an OP cant fuck it up with a shit image 3 times in a row

>>54988143
Post limit is 300 but good luck beating the animeOP to it, since they post right away, sometimes wait till page 6 but it's kind of a dick move to post before 9 or 10. Leakanon has occasionally managed to force waiting till 8 with promises of new material though.

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>>54988198
>>54988198
>animeOP
god he is such a filthy nigger
ima make a nice custom OP image and make the next OP

ill take this image and slap the starfidner logo on top. sound good?

>>54988095
That could still be very, very cute!

>>54988095

Eels are cute so that is only a net positive.

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>>54988276
>>54988499
searching my mermaid folder for eelmaids.
heres one

>>54987320
It was level 4 pasta from the pathfinder book. Unfortunately playtesters caught it and were ignored.

>>54988720

It seems like Paizo's issue tracking (among other things) leaves a lot to be desired.

James Sutter is on record pointing other issues that were supposed to have been corrected before printing that were not.

>>54988083
literally everyone is new. if you want to do something, just ask 'can i do the thing?'

> cute mechanic girl
exocortex is shit, get the drone. lots of options from there. you could be an android and get lewd with your droid

>>54988961
>if you want to do something, just ask 'can i do the thing?'
Will playing this feel new, or will it feel just as stale as the previous attempts to keep 3.5 style rules alive?
Wasn't fond of 3.5, pathfinder or 5th. The issues always seemed magnified unless you had the perfect group.

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>join a game
>first to join
>first to complete my build
>several days later
>3 randos join the game
>all want to play the same class as me
what should i think about this, anons?

>>54989626
do it faggot

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>>54983868
Beyond the obvious, you mean?

>>54989626
Either push for the wrench party or dig in and fight to the death for supremacy.

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I don't get what these are supposed to be. Something you have to do if you pick that class and theme? Examples?

>>54990167
Examples of choices you might make for certain themes instead of full pregen statblocks.

>>54990167
Examples. They're basically just shitty half-pre-mades.
Glad they didn't include stats because those have historically always been hilariously outdated.
Wouldn't be surprised if one of these mentions taking an option that got cut/renamed before print, either.

>>54990167
CLASS BUILDS
Following the explanation of a class's features are four
examples of ways to build the class. These are examples of
some of the choices you could make to create a specific kind
of character, designed to help you think about different ways
of playing the same class.
Theme: This is an appropriate theme for the class build.
Ability Scores : This entry notes which ability scores are
most important for the build.
Class Choices : Many classes offer multiple choices within
certain class features (such as envoy improvisations and
mechanic tricks). These entries list some appropriate choices
for the build, ordered by the earliest level at which you can
take each option.
Spell s: Choices of spells that are particularly suited to the
build are listed by spell level.
Feats: Useful feats are listed alphabetically.
Skills: These are the skills that best complement the build.

I don't actually know why RPG book writers assume we start from page 1 and read forward. I've never done that. Regardless, that's on p59.

>>54983196
What if hygiene kits are really high quality stuff?

>>54990221
D-Does it include waxing equipment?
This is important.

2hu is getting BTFO on the Paizo forums, this is gold, the autistic fuck thinks you should put an 18 in STR for a never guy who starts at level 1 when that makes you a glass cannon and you should start with 14 STR instead.

>>54990242
Of course it does, the hygiene kit includes everything you need to keep yourself ready to throw on a bikini.

>>54984978
You know to find the leak? I've been looking for it but haven't had any luck.

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I know that taking Blitz Soldier at level 1 gets you Str as a key score and supposedly fixes thd solarian somewhat, bug how does Str as key work for other classes? Does being beefcake hrlp tge Envoy? Muscle wizards?

>>54990319
Blitz Soldier 1 helps literally any build that wants to attempt combat at some point during the campaign.

>>54990317
Bump, would like it too

>>54990259
Starting with 14 STR is terrible though. Anything below 16 STR is shooting yourself in the foot with how the math is set up.

>>54990259
>never guy
wut?

nigga 18 str is great for a melee dude, you get +4 to hit, damage, and resolve. my soldier wears heavy armor, and has 14 dex, that's enough ac to not worry about going down.

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Should I make my Elven Soldier (Outlaw) focused on Dexterity, or Strength? I'm keen on either, but the thought of being this heavily-built knife-eared thug with a big brutalizing blade tickles me in a special place.

>>54990535
If it tickles your pickle, go STR, anon.

>>54990535
Just go for a 16/16 start anon, the system is designed to allow dual primary stats.

>>54990259
2hu doesn't know how to play only how to build, and his builds make assumptions that are often functionally incorrect even if they are logical. Sacrificing a feat for +1 damage is stupid no matter how you look at it.

>>54990557
>>54990605
Between the +2 from Elf and +1 from Outlaw, I was actually thinking about going 18/13 (becoming 18/16 after modifiers.) Granted, I'd need something higher than the currently standard 10 PB most campaigns advertise with, but it would certainly make for a very tough character!

Then again, 16/13 would be more economical if I want to actually put points into other attributes, since that -2 Con is going to be a complete bitch for a melee character.

>>54990605
You still have to choose a key ability score for resolve, which you cannot later change.

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>>54990766
>mfw the prospective DM just told me the campaign will be 10 PB

Well, shit.

>>54990673
That's right, why the fuck would you do 18 STR and be a glass cannon when you can do 14 STR instead?

>>54990719
Modifiers are added first anyway

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>>54990844
I just didn't want to wait until level 10 to get that 18 in Strength.

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>>54990242
>his character hasnt had bikini hair lasered off
its the future anon

>>54990786
>10 PB
abandon ship

>>54990844
> 18 STR
> glass cannon
a difference of 2 stamina at level 1 is the difference between life and death. are you retarded?

Are we expecting to get a GM's guide? If so, when?

>>54991002
>10 PB

What's wrong with it?

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>>54990987
>The party's Soldier will never wander about the ship in a bikini top and yoga pants.

>>54991002
10 pb is only bad if you wanted to play a race with a penalty to a stat your class cares about.

>>54991024
We are not expecting one. It seems likely that we'll never get one with their release plans.

>>54991067
10 PB is only enough to get a 16 in one attribute, and 14 in another, this makes it equal to 15 PB in Pathfinder.

15 PB is widely criticized by pretty much everyone since forever, 20 PB and preferably 25 PB is much more favorable (14 and 18 PB respectively.)

>But you get 4 boosts at level 5!

Yes, at level 5, something that doesn't come for a long, long time and can't be stacked.

>>54991098
That's kind of unfortunate. Would've been nice to have some tables for generating adventure seeds or loot.

>>54991117
Starfinder isn't Pathfinder. I intend to start at a higher PB for my games, but the logic here is a mess. The numbers are arranged differently and it's far far less important to have a few 12s or 14s starting in your tertiery attributes.

>>54982359
That's one of the reasons I'm working up some tactical shields, basically small and large riot shields. I don't want to mess with balance too much, so I'm making it a reaction for +1 to KAC or EAC (depending on the type of shield used) for the small ones, or a +2 for the large ones, applied after knowing the attack roll. The large ones can also be used as a move action to create cover on one face of your space.

>>54991117
Those boosts are potent, anon.

Stamina is good for keeping people alive, and even if you go down you're incredibly less likely to die than in Pathfinder.

Change your manner of thinking.

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>>54990605

An 18/14 starting array shines at 1st through 4th level, and then 10th through 14th level.

A 16/16 starting array is more optimal from 5th to 9th level, and then 15th to 19th level.

Choose your starting array based on the levels you expect to realistically play at.

>>54990673

>Sacrificing a feat for +1 damage is stupid no matter how you look at it.

If this is about single-classed solarians (why you would want to play one compared to a solarian dipping soldier [blitz], I would not know, but let us say you do regardless) starting at 1st level, consider the following.

• 1st-level human solarian with Strength 18, Dexterity 14, Heavy Armor Proficiency, Weapon Focus, and hidden soldier armor:
Melee attack bonus +6, melee damage bonus +4, EAC 15, KAC 17, initiative +2, speed 25 feet

• 1st-level human solarian with Strength 16, Dexterity 16, Improved Initiative, Weapon Focus, and kasatha microcord I:
Melee attack bonus +5, melee damage bonus +3, EAC 15, KAC 17, initiative +6, speed 30 feet

I valued the +1 attack and +1 damage over the +4 initiative and +5 speed in this case. Attack bonuses are important.

Strength 16 vs. Strength 18 is not just about +1 damage; it is about +1 attack as well.

>>54990458
But can it get you Str based casting?

>>54981850
I'm really happy I'm not the only one who instantly though "Fill my mouth with grenades" when I read that bit.

>>54983196
Keep that crap on the ship, you retard.

>>54991473
Hope nobody hacks your detonator

>>54991321
>single-classed solarians (why you would want to play one compared to a solarian dipping soldier [blitz]
Enlighten me, what's wrong with them?

>>54991618

They're the second worse class in the game for a large multitude of reasons, not the least being 'low damage, low defenses, no out of combat utility, get a choice of either be effective at your job or have resolve points'...

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>>54991618
>>54991653

Oh, solarians actually have a remarkably good damage output. Stellar Rush lets them enter the fray quickly, and Plasma Sheath and Corona contribute greatly to damage.

You want to start with a level in soldier (blitz) for Strength- or Dexterity-based Resolve Points to let you safely dump Charisma, heavy armor proficiency to save you a feat, and +4 initiative and +10 speed. Later, you can even take two more levels of soldier for a bonus combat feat and Melee Striker, giving you half your Strength bonus as extra melee damage.

>>54991653
And the worst is the Envoy? That seems to be the meme.

I did notice that the damage progression for the in-build melee weapon seemed a bit poor. Specifically, it seemed a bit Monk.

I'm still learning the game. Tell me the Mechanic is good. I like the theme for the Exocortex variant.

>>54991729

I should say 'low damage if they use their class feature that is supposed for be for dealing damage (solar weapon)' that is.

>>54991737

Envoy is the worst.

Mechanic is good!

Exocortex is trash.

>>54991729
>let you safely dump Charisma
Right, so I'm seeing references to this Key Ability Score concept, but I haven't fully understood that yet. Starting as a Soldier lets you make STR your key attribute, but how does that make a Soldier 5/Solarian 5 better than a Solarian 5/Soldier 5?

>>54991764
>Exocortex is trash.
Aw.

Is it the Action Economy? I just personally don't really like the idea of having a helper follow me around. I don't like Druids either.

>>54991818

Action economy isn't really the major thing, the problem is that Exocortex just makes you a discount soldier. So... you might as well just go be an actual soldier, instead of a mechanic trying to mimic one.

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>>54991737
>>54991818

>I like the theme for the Exocortex variant.

The problem with the exocortex is that using the exocortex's accuracy function decreases your action economy, whereas having a drone around *increases* your action economy. Also, the exocortex's 5th-level feature is terribly narrow.

The optimal mechanic is an android mechanic with Longarm Proficiency at 1st and Versatile Specialization at 3rd, a hover drone (see the FAQ for hover drones using regular weapons) working its way towards longarms by 3rd, and a brain-mounted custom rig with an artificial personality for social skills.

>>54991792

As per the multiclassing rules in pages 26 and 27, if you have at least one level in soldier regardless of when you take that level, you can use Strength or Dexterity for Resolve Points.

You want to take soldier (blitz) as your first level as a would-be solarian simply for the more front-loaded starting package: Strength or Dexterity for Resolve Points, heavy armor, +4 initiative, and +10 speed.

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>tfw no bayonet rules
Why do scifi and fantasy games always completely ignore bayonets and then go on and fellate retarded "muh Drizzt" dual wielding fantasies?

>>54991887
I... disagree with this. It turns you into a discount soldier /in combat/, but you have way more going for you out of combat.

>>54991928

And the drone mechanic can do all of that out of combat and more, because the drone is also additional out of combat utility. There is no reasn to be an exocortex mechanic over a drone mechanic. There just isn't any benefit at all to it.

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>>54991928

Or, you could have a flying drone backing you up and shooting with its own longarm.

>>54991747
Solar weapon is fine. After the first 5 level range it's the strongest one-handed melee weapon, before then it barely loses out but saves some cash and gives you narrative options, and at high levels it very barely falls behind the absolute best two-handed options.

>>54991990

It does not 'save some cash', since you desperately need solarian weapon crystals, which cost on par with weapons of those levels.

>>54991891
>You want to take soldier (blitz) as your first level as a would-be solarian
And then you go for the weapon or the armour? Seems like you have to give up some sort of conventional equipment for one or other of these to make use of that class feature, either heavy armour or a standard 2h melee weapon.

>exocortex's 5th-level feature is terribly narrow.
Am I misreading that one, or does Wireless Hack not let you hack? Hacking is a full action and Wireless Hack gives you free actions for hacking, but they're measured in standard actions.

>Strength or Dexterity for Resolve Points.
If you're not a spellcaster, is that the only thing your Key Ability does?

>>54992016
Reading comprehension anon.

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>>54991075
>The party's THICC Soldier will never change into a micro bikini after missions and hang out by the pool getting drunk and slutty as you you all laugh about good old times and then you push her into the pool and she lets out a cute girl squeal then you jump in after her and you play wrestle in the pool

>>54992064
Pools are really horrible places to have sex, anon. You should take her to a proper bed if you want to "play wrestle"

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>>54991990

>After the first 5 level range it's the strongest one-handed melee weapon

Or, you can spend 475 credits on a tactical pike and enjoy 1d8 damage and reach.

Reach is quite effective in Starfinder, given that it allows you to attack adjacent opponents. Threatening ranged attackers with reach is rather effective.

>>54992023

I have laid out an ideal soldier (blitz)/solarian build here: >>54913884

Your key ability modifier determines Resolve Points and saving throw DCs, and that is all.

>>54991979
The drone is also shit with far less ways to actually boost its hitrate.

>>54991321
>improved initiative is the only feat worth taking
Uh huh. Whatever.

Arguing with you is pointless, you can't even comprehend why the mistakes you make are mistakes.

I might be spoiled by other RPGs, but why isn't there a DEX melee weapon that isn't a dinky little dagger? Not even a single Advanced Melee Weapon with the Finesse/Operative tag. An advanced non-heavy sword in this setting, for instance? Perhaps some sort of light Saber?

Or ignoring the obvious pun, there's always the flexible option. Sometimes it's called a monofilament whip, other times it's a monomolecular lash, but it's always terrifying to friends and enemies. Seems like an odd omission.

>>54992298
>Monowhip
>Designed to deal maximum damage, a monowhip is woven of monofilament fibers reinforced with carbon particles. Weighted at one end and spooled from a tough carbon-fiber grip, it delivers surgical-quality lacerations with minimal strength. The cuts delivered are so clean that victims sometimes fail to notice a severed limb until they are overwhelmed by a rush of blood loss.

Still not an Operative one, though.

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>>54992245

In the event that someone absolutely, positively insists on playing a solarian at 1st-level and likewise insists on Strength 16 and Dexterity 16, what good feats are there for the character to take, really?

Weapon Focus, Improved Initiative, Cleave, and, depending on the party composition, Coordinated Shot are just about the best such a character can manage. Even then, Cleave works best with characters who have as high an attack bonus as possible; it would be better placed on a solarian or a soldier who started with Strength 18.

>>54991923
Agreed. The Hit and Run soldier would love to have bayonet options. Heck, any character really, even if its just a knife.

>>54991923
>"muh Drizzt" dual wielding fantasies?
At least here all dual wield does for you is change the -4 on a full attack to a -3.

>>54992403
>combat is totally everything important anon
>you must be totally combat oriented
>if you are not you cannot win the game
Again, you can't even see where your mistakes are.

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>>54992546

I dare say that +4 initiative will probably be of more help than a +2 insight bonus to two skills.

The two skills might come up only some of the time, whereas the +4 initiative will count whenever a battle breaks out.

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>>54980810
I want to either go full Giger or full Cyber-Zombie. I guess we'll have to wait for a splatbook.

>>54991923
>PF didn't have a bayonet at first
>when they finally added them they don't let you fire your weapon with a bayonet fixed
>not just giving a accuracy or reload penalty
>SF doesn't even give rules for it

Paizo apparently has an aversion to people screaming "FIX BAYONETS." They also don't have rules for underbarrel grenade launchers or shotguns. Or any other weapon attachments for that matter. I'm generally disappointed by the lack of crap I can put on my gun to make it do different things.

Base weapon variety is also pretty crap, they don't even have machine pistols or handcannon revolvers. And speaking of revolvers, you STILL can't "fan the hammer" and fire six shots in six seconds (in PF you can't fire all six shots in one round without magical assistance while also being high level) unless you have an automatic (and the rules for that are also dumb). And the rules for two guns are lame, I really wanted to go full-retard and/or gunkata with two pistols. At the very least Operative (Daredevil) lets you John Woo all over the place with acrobatic trick shots.

>>54991764
So why is Envoy the worst?

I thought they were supposed to be like a "Space Bard" but sans magic. They get as many skills as the Operative + they have Diplomacy as a class skill. All Operative really seems to get over them is the Dirty Trick attack, but that doesn't seem that great. Can you guys enlighten me as to why operative is so bad?

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so what is the deal with everyone picking and talking about mechanics? are the other classes not interesting?

>>54992909

Machines are cool, anon. Also, girls covered in oil and engine grease tickle some people's fancy something fierce.

>>54992903

They actually get two skills LESS than the operative, due to the operative getting skill focus with two skills for free that alos gives 1 rank/level in them, effectively making the operative a 10+int class.

Also the Envoy's improvisations are basically universally trash.

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>>54992903

The operative has *10* skill points per level, a scaling bonus to initiative and to all skills, Skill Focus in two skills (sadly, this does not stack with Operative's Edge), and Trick Attack as a source of damage. The operative is a juggernaut both in and out of combat. It helps that the FAQ has yet to touch the operative (ghost), so even from 1st to 6th level, a halfling or ysoki operative can have an obnoxiously high bonus for trick attacks.

Trick attack damage is non-negligible and can be a major source of extra damage.

The envoy has a few decent noncombat tricks (e.g. Well Informed for intel omniscience), but the action economy of its combat improvisations is simply awful. It should not cost a move action just to apply a +1 morale bonus to attack rolls against a single enemy.

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>>54992952
>girls covered in oil and engine grease tickle some people's fancy something fierce.

>>54992903
>I thought they were supposed to be like a "Space Bard" but sans magic.
A direct port of the bard class without spellcasting would be better both in and out of combat than the Envoy.

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>>54992440
At least I'm not the only one. You could even go 40k/GoW and do chain bayonets, or have a fucking plasma bayonet thing like Halo 5 apparently has. Why do they waste these possibilities in a game where melee and ranged combat are both viable?

>>54992956
>>54992977
So Operative is just flat out BETTER than Envoy? What the fuck. The fuck Paizo.

I'm trying to think up characters to play when adventures come out. My favorite so far is a Damaya Lashunta Icon Mechanic - he's a SpaceTuber streamer with 5 mill subscribers (not a lot when you consider how many billions of viewers there are in the galaxy) who makes videos about his travels, How To videos, Lets Plays and Makeup Tutorials.

>>54993052
bayonets would definately be awesome.
just homebrew it

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>>54976796
this thread is approaching the bump limit, im gonna post the new thread when we hit 300 posts, i have a image made, so please dont make a duplicate

>>54993052
>Why do they waste these possibilities in a game where melee and ranged combat are both viable?
The probably wanted to add stuff like that and might have even had it in there. Before the editors got the hands on it the book was over 800 pages, now it's cut down to 500 pages.

>>54993161
Or maybe just wait until we need a new thread to post a new thread. That works too.

>>54993052
It doesn't help that they've added a rule about shifting grips. Having to limit a versatile character to small arms and one-handed melee unless they want to drop their weapons constantly kinda sucks.

>>54993161

Wait until at least page 6 or 7 you goddamn fuckign cockhole cunt.

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>>54993181
i have to post the new thread before the faggot op does and ruins it again with a homosexual image. thats why

>>54993161
I don't know if you're new, and I assume you're not trying to bait since you made this post instead of just posting a new thread, but there's no need to post a new general just because we hit bump limit. The board moves slow enough that we could post on page 10 without any real problem.

Much as I hate the overtly anime OPs, it's better to just wait for a late page and funnel into one thread regardless of how shit the first post is than to get pulled into thread politics bullshit.

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>>54993195
>>54993210
i will, calm your over emotional, menstruating tits

>>54993202

First post doesn't even goddamn matter you petulant annoyed little shitmonkey.

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>>54993240
>doesn't even goddamn matter
yes it does

>>54993111

This could be the same underdog-rooting I give the Fighter, but I'm looking over Envoy and liking what I could do. Hurry and Dispiriting Taunt are good combat support, and Inspiring Boost looks to be one of the few* ways to get Stamina back on the fly. I'm thinking of taking an Expertise in Medicine and using the Medical Expert feat to make a decent non-magical medic character. Either way, you're hardly useless.

*I have yet to fully read the classes, or even touch spells. I'm hoping there's more stamina recovery.

>>54993285
what do people think of the technomancer class?
is it good?

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>Quality-focused Elven Soldier (Blitz) Outlaw wielding a Longsword in heavy armor

Is there a better fighting style out there for someone trying to make Eredin?

>>54993305
Personally I'd just play a Mystic unless I wanted to go all-in on fluff.
Their spell list is better.

new thread

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>>54993554
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>>54993559

We aren'te ven in autosage you *malcontent jumper monkey*.

>>54993569
Not to mention that they somehow managed to post functionally no OP image. Now that's a person who really hates anime.

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Hi /sfg/

Is it important to write down the ranks for given crew? Or are just the modifiers enough.

Thanks!

>>54993305
Mystic looks to have the better spell list, but I like how the technomancer feature set looks and magic hacks open up some really interesting options. Worst case scenario, still a spellcaster with utility features so there's no way that technomancer is bad.

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>>54993559
that thread is a troll thread
new non troll thread
>>54993802
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>>54993559
>>54993874
Oh good, we have two shitters already. Can we go for number three?
We still aren't even in autosage.

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>>54993874
Dude, we're not even into autosage yet.

>>54993912
Yes we are?

>>54993189
Personally I like it, it means the casters can't as easily ungrip, cast, and regrip.
They have to actually use a smaller gun as a tradeoff for their spells.

>>54993559
>>54993874
You know the shills are trying to hard when there's already war over new threads

I'm sure you want to like starfinder, the same way you want to like pathfinder, but ignoring the flaws gets us nowhere.

>>54994499
>pretending shitters aren't going to shit regardless of game quality

>>54977930
Celeb shit?

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>>54978484
It's a bit sad that Wildstar came out just as people were getting sick of MMORPG. It had a lot of cool ideas going for it.

>>54996461
Dunno about the big dude, but the short guy looks like a Warmachine Elf.

>>54996461
The only thing I cared about it were the robot bimbos. I want to kiss a cute robot bimbo.

Is it weird that kissing arouses me more than fondling or actual intercourse?

>>54984050
The thing about that feat is that lets you do it anywhere, so you dont really depend on GM adding random junk to use.
But if you do take it you'd fuck over your comrades who havent since it would be locked for them because feat magic

>>54993630
If we know the ranks AND the total bonus we'll know how much the npc statblock is cheating by. Like say when it's +9 above the possible maximum for PCs at that level despite somehow only being the same tier (tier=APL) as them.