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Starfinder Here:
http://zalil.su/3875211

Dead Suns NEVER EVER

I want to play a xenophobic, distrustful, sharpshooting space elf and marry a humble, handsome, conscientious space human!

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>>54913712
That's aerodynamically unsound. Your waifus should be painted on.

>>54913708
Unchained rogues and maguses are very very likely to run with a Dexterity focus to the exclusion of Strength. I know people do it, people say so here, I just don't see how carrying capacity supports it.

I guess I'm looking at, how do people who play these things optimize them? Mithral shirt seems a given. Do you get expensive weapons in mithral too? Are we not even supposed to count the 5-10 lbs of clothes worn ingame?

>>54913778

Muleback cords.

+ A masterwork backpack. Does wonders in unison.

>>54913778
Those examples don't all out dump Str typically, they just leave it as a mediocre stat they don't really touch. Also those aren't really straight up martial classes.

>>54913778
Masterwork backpack provides +1 to strength for carrying capacity, costs almost nothing.

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>Is CHA actually a useful stat for a solarion

As far as I can tell, the build below is the single most powerful solarian build for actually being a strong and durable combatant, starting from 1st level. I have already explained the troubles with being a pure-classed solarian in >>54900229, and so it is time to patch those problems with some old-fashioned optimization.

• At 1st-level, you are a generic "tactical pike and hidden soldier armor" soldier. You act first, you run up to people, you stab them, and you threaten them with attacks of opportunity.

• At 2nd-level, you gain +1 damage. Hooray.

• At 3rd-level, your mobility sharply increases as you gain Stellar Rush. You should ignore the bull rush function in almost all cases. You should instead use Stellar Rush for unparalleled melee mobility.

• At 5th-level, you gain a major upgrade to your raw melee damage from Plasma Sheath. You start combat with a move action for Plasma Sheath, and then launch into a Stellar Rush. You also gain Enhanced Resistance (kinetic), making you quite durable.

• At 7th-level, you open up combats with a move action for a Plasma Sheath and a standard action for a Corona. You now have a passive aura for damage, and anyone striking you will suffer damage. Also at this level is when you might want to drop the tactical pike and start to use your solar weapon with a solarian weapon crystal.

• After that point, the build is mostly yours to piece together. Whether you will prefer your solar weapon with a solarian weapon crystal or a high-level two-handed advanced melee weapon depends on your specific level and what you have the budget to afford.

• During this process, you completely ignore the existence of Black Hole, Supernova, graviton mode, and almost all graviton revelations. Why bother with them when you can stay attuned in photon mode for the raw damage and other benefits? Photon zenith revelations, on the other hand, may be worth it from time to time.

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Guys, stupid as fuck idea for ya. A magus spell, see, it's evocation. It does this:
>Pick an energy type when you cast the spell from Acid/Fire/Cold/Electricity
>You get a free touch attack upon casting the spell, and can make this touch attack 1 time per caster level
>it deals 1d6+(0.5*CL) energy damage per touch attack as a 1st level spell
>a Magus is explicitly allowed to "recast it" any time during the spell's duration without needing to spend another spell slot, in order to use spell combat to get a bonus attack
>still has to make a concentration check to do the "recast"
It has a Greater version that's a level 3 spell which does 1d6+CL with the same 1 touch attack/CL, and additionally bestows a +1 bonus on any attack roll made with the spell per 7 caster levels

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>>54913884

What do you think of the build below, then? One way I can see it being improved is turning it into soldier (blitz) 3/solarian 17, although I am unsure myself of whether or not that would be truly optimal overall.

Theme: Any
Race: Human
Class: Soldier (blitz) 1/solarian (solar weapon) 19

1st-level Equipment:
• 475 credits: Pike, tactical
• 465 credits: Hidden soldier armor (with free personal comm unit as per page 430)
• Remaining: 60 credits

Ability Scores before Theme and Personal Upgrades:
• 1st-level: Strength 18, Dexterity 14, Constitution 10, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 10, Charisma 10
• 5th-level: Strength 19, Dexterity 16, Constitution 12, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 12, Charisma 10
• 10th-level: Strength 20, Dexterity 18, Constitution 14, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 14, Charisma 10
• 15th-level: Strength 21, Dexterity 19, Constitution 16, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 16, Charisma 10
• 20th-level: Strength 22, Dexterity 20, Constitution 18, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 18, Charisma 10
• Top Priority for Personal Upgrades: Strength

Feats:
Human: Improved Initiative
• 1st Level: Weapon Focus (advanced melee weapons)
• 3rd Level: Weapon Specialization (advanced melee weapons), retrained at 4th level to [whichever out of Coordinated Shot, Great Fortitude, Iron Will, and Toughness you think will benefit you most] via mnemonic editor mk 1 for 500 credits
• 5th Level: Enhanced Resistance (kinetic)
• 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th, 15, 17th, and 19th Level: [Whichever out of Deflect Projectiles, Lunge, Penetrating Attack, Reflect Projectiles, Sky Jockey, Step Up, Step Up and Strike you think will benefit you most, you qualify for, and you do not already have]

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>>54913901

Selectable Stellar Revelations:
• Solarian 2/Character Level 3: Stellar Rush
• Solarian 4/Character Level 5: Plasma Sheath
• Solarian 6/Character Level 7: Corona
• Solarian 8/Character Level 9: [Whichever out of Astrologic Sense, Blazing Orbit, or Glow of Life you think will benefit you most, though probably Blazing Orbit if your GM rules that the fire damage applies to each square]
• Solarian 9/Character Level 10: Solar Acceleration and Wormholes
• Solarian 10/Character Level 11: Soul Furnace
• Solarian 12/Character Level 13: [Whichever out of Astrologic Sense, Blazing Orbit, Glow of Life, Ray of Light, or Stealth Warp you think will benefit you most and you do not already have]
• Solarian 14/Character Level 15: Sunbolt
• Solarian 16/Character Level 17 and Solarian 18/Character Level 19: [Whichever out of Astrologic Sense, Blazing Orbit, Glow of Life, Ray of Light, Stealth Warp, or Ultimate Photon you think will benefit you most and you do not already have]

>>54913901
>>54913913
could you please use pastebin.

>PDF available today
>doesn't actually seem to be available today

I don't understand

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>>54913680
Hey does Pathfinder have rules for running people down in a kinda on foot chase event?
If so what are they?

>>54913946
Yes. Just search the PFSRD for chase rules, or check Curse of the Crimson Throne part 1.

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>>54913946
um.... strength checks....

>>54913901
>>54913913
Why are you building for a level your character will never reach?

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>>54913946
You could make one of these.

>>54913884
>>54913901
>>54913913
How would this build change with a level 5 start?
That's been speculated as a decent starting point for non-APs as well as potentially adjusting APs, due to skipping a large portion of the gear "gap" that exists, and giving you your first ASI.

>>54913891
>mad STEMcel with his hyperfocused degree while big brain life scientists are masters of all living things and even cooking too

Have fun with the grunt work intern

>>54913712
That link looks so sketchy

>>54913864
>>54913866
The weird way CC is staggered, the gain is actually just as much as the pack weighs until certain values.

I want to marry a Drow!

>>54914079
We missed you.

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>>54914051
It's from the last thread and Discord approved.

>>54914079
But now the Elves will hunt you across the Galaxy!

And they won't know why!

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>>54913566

I dare say that a soldier (sharpshoot) 19/solarian (solar armor) 1 build is optimal.

The solarian dip provides a ranged soldier a handful of useful class skills (including Perception and Stealth!), +1 AC from solar armor, and +1 damage from photon mode.

Would anyone else agree that this is a good investment?

>>54913959

Feel free to cut off the build wherever you see fit. The "peak" of the build, so to speak, is probably at soldier (blitz) 1/solarian (solar weapon) 6.

>>54913996

If the game *starts* at 5th level, then I would say the best possible melee character is a soldier (hit and run). You want to make melee attacks as often as possible, and so you perform mobile full attacks via Nimble Fusillade.

If you are dead-set on a solarian, however, a soldier (blitz) 1/solarian (solar weapon) 4 would be perfectly serviceable. You could open combat with a Plasma Sheath and a Stellar Rush and then deal consistent damage from round to round.

>>54914088
>>54914090
But now Drow are big weapons manufacturers! I want to marry the heiress to a vast warmonger forge!

>>54914099
And what if I do not want to have a blitz level?
What does the increased access to items of potentially IL 7 do to the solarion's progression?

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>>54914079
A regular Drow, or a Space Drow?

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>>54914107

>And what if I do not want to have a blitz level?
Then you will be struggling with MAD to a degree, and you will be staring at a completely dead 5th level for the solarian.

>What does the increased access to items of potentially IL 7 do to the solarion's progression?
Solarian 6 is what nudges up the damage of photon mode and Plasma Sheath by 1 each, and what grants Corona.

>I'd probably have 2 rolls for inaccuracy (direction and spread) at anything smaller than a skyscraper. The threat of collateral damage and criminal penalties with no results should keep my players from using it.
>On the other hand I can have players make saves or have a round to find cover if they're aware they're being bombarded with space weapons.

FUCKING PAIZURITARDS. HOW do are you incapable of aiming at something smaller than a skyscraper up close when you can shoot down micromissiles from miles away? How do you go around promising nothing but "no results" and everyone-in-jail-forever and then promise results to the NPCs in the next sentence?

Paizo raped the pooch to death by refusing to address the two scales interacting properly.

>>54914139
Space Drow, of course.

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>>54914090

>>54914139
Weren't space drow the ones with the porn?

>>54914191
Yes, and they're very visible and prominent weapons manufacturers.

>>54914154
The ability bump doesn't help much?
I was speculating that you could start with an array of something like 16 str, 12 dex, 12 con, and 12 Cha, with your bump putting them to 18, 14, 14, 14
As for the item level question, I meant more for available items to potentially synergize with and/or contend with the manifestation options. If there is a particularly attractive suit of light armor in the AL+2 range for example, Solar armor could be quite the nice pick, whereas if you want to conserve money that would be spent on a IL7 melee weapon, solar weapon might be a decent pick as you can devote more of your starting (considerable) WBL on the vastly expanded item options available due to starting at 5.

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>>54914183
Soon we will drown in Macross and Star Fox bamboozles, fellow pilot

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>>54914339
But there's so much more than those out there...

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This is how I mechanic.

>>54914191
>>54914201
Space drow make porn and guns? What the fuck I love evil spider matriarchies now

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>>54914229

>I was speculating that you could start with an array of something like 16 str, 12 dex, 12 con, and 12 Cha, with your bump putting them to 18, 14, 14, 14

For a human starting at 5th level, consider the following for a soldier (hit and run) 5, or a soldier (blitz) 1/solarian (solar weapon) 4, before themes:

• 1st Level: Strength 16, Dexterity 14, Constitution 12, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 10, Charisma 10
• 5th Level: Strength 18 (upgraded to 20 by personal upgrade), Dexterity 16, Constitution 14, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 12, Charisma 10

The character is now more durable than an equivalent solarian, and even has a little more Will.

It helps that a 5th level character can spend 3,910 credits on vesk overplate I, which grants a whopping +9 EAC, +11 KAC, +3 maximum Dexterity bonus, -2 armor check penalty, -5 feet, and 1 upgrade slot.

>As for the item level question

For a soldier (hit and run) 5 or a soldier (blitz) 1/solarian (solar weapon) 4 with 9,000 credits to spare, I would probably purchase:

• 3,910 credits: Vesk overplate I
• 3,100 credits: Armor upgrade, jetpack
• 1,400 credits: Personal upgrade, Strength +2
• 475 credits: Pike, tactical (yes, really; it is still cost-effective, and your other items give you durability, mobility, and raw accuracy and damage)
• Remaining: 115 credits

You might not have much for any ranged weapon beyond the cheapest of the cheap, but then, even if you did purchase one, it would most likely do little against the enemies you face.

>>54914162
You've missed the other thread where someone actually went full stormwind on touhou.

I'm almost considering getting a new account - my old one was lost to a ten year old email service dying off.

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>>54914363
Purple skin, guns and ho's?

>>54914363
I literally don't know what things the other anons are making references to but this sounds 100% perfectly logical and believable that drow in science fiction would be specialized as a culture in guns and porn.

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Let's talk about magic for a second

Are the schools of magic similar in Starfinder as they are in pathfinder? what does an example spell looks like and, for my own sake, what sort of druid like spells are there?

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>>54914348
But not but us remembers them

Except for that singing guy. Who uses speakers as a weapon?

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Do you groom your familiars and animal companions?

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>>54914036

All of these dips come with +0 base attack bonus, alas, which makes them less appealing for a soldier or a solarian.

>>54914429
Of course, you're supposed to groom a horse!

>>54914369
I noted that you kept Cha at 10 yet again.
If one was interested in playing a single classed solarian, how would those stat layouts change?
Maybe solar weapon would see use, with heavy armor and less of a dex bonus? STR18, Dex 14/12, Con 14, int 10, wis 10, and Cha 14?

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>>54914429

Why wouldn't you?

>>54914429
He's a bird. He's got his shit together.

>>54914408
>cockpit

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>>54914408
Definitely not Nekki Basara that's for sure.
He only uses those to give fleets orgasms.

>>54914429
It's hard to imagine me playing an animal themed character who didn't give a shit about his/her animals. Like if you have animals that only show up in fights, a la SNA spells, then I'd understand. And if I picked a familiar over the cooler things you can have instead of a familiar, you bet your ass that it's a) my friend, and b) smart enough that it grooms itself and would be insulted by my attempt.

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>>54914429
Only if I have a lot of downtime. It's usually just much easier and more convenient to cast prestidigitation.

>>54914498
Calling on the power of the Braves here.

The best part Mic Sounders the 13th (that's his full name) is an American Mech in the GaoGaiGar seires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdLRbhpWYiI

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>>54914482
/pgg/ is going to meme Orbital Frames into any game involving Mecha

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>>54914444

If I was absolutely, positively dead-set on playing a single-classed human solarian starting at 5th level, I would probably go with Heavy Armor Proficiency, solar weapon, and the following before theme:

• 1st Level: Strength 16, Dexterity 14, Constitution 12, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 10, Charisma 10
• 5th Level: Strength 18 (upgraded to 20 by personal upgrade), Dexterity 16, Constitution 14, Intelligence 10, Wisdom 10, Charisma 12

Enhanced Resistance (kinetic) should be the 5th-level feat, thereby locking out Extra Resolve until 7th-level. However, a pool of 3 Resolve Points should get the solarian through three or four combat encounters each adventuring day.

• 3,910 credits: Vesk overplate I
• 3,100 credits: Armor upgrade, jetpack
• 1,400 credits: Personal upgrade, Strength +2
• 475 credits: Pike, tactical (yes, really; it is still cost-effective, and other items grant durability, mobility, and raw accuracy and damage)
• Remaining: 115 credits

I would then drop the tactical pike in favor of the solar weapon with a solarian weapon crystal at solarian 6.

Bear in mind that the "champion" build of the solarian prescribes prioritizing Strength, then Dexterity, then Constitution.

>>54914530
The best part was what he did with that fucking bridge

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>>54914530
And then there's the part in gaogaigar final where Mike Sounders plays the golden gate bridge as his instrument in a battle.

webm unrelated.

>>54914570
GGG final was fucking great

>>54914567
Just a note for you: Gravity Hold can't lift anyone more than 5ft off the ground, which may preclude using it to move someone off a cliff or "20x20 flying platform". Black Hole also fails utterly if there's a solid object in the way, like a hand-rail of some sort.

>>54914567
Interesting.
Very well then.
People have been speaking of perhaps homebrewing a rule to make the Solarian more competitive with other classes.
If the manifestation options gave you CHA to attack/damage and AC/saves respectively, how would this build change?
Would changing one stat to be dependent on it make Charisma actually worth being called a core stat on the solarian? And if so, which would be the more solid choice? Swapping your STR and CHA scores to get cha to your attacks, or balancing your stats out a bit better to make good use of the additional AC?

>>54914580
Yes it was. It has sadly been my only experience with GGG though.

On my first visit to /m/ they had a download for the episodes, this was waaaaay back when, before /tg/ even existed because I am an oldfag. shit I remember when 4chan had a loli board

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>>54914599

I do not see a good mechanical reason for a melee solarian to bother with anything but Stellar Rush at 2nd, Plasma Sheath at 4th, and Corona at 6th, ignoring the existence of graviton mode, graviton revelations, Black Hole, and Supernova.

Of course, I also espouse that every solarian should also dip a level in soldier (blitz) as their very first character level.

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>>54914562

Are Xenogear/Saga mechs okay?

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>>54914580
yes, yes it fucking was.

>>54914642
I'm referring more to the guy in the paizo forums arguing that a graviton solarian is a great melee controller that will guaranteed beat the soldier on round 3.

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>>54914625
>>54914665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yctKSEjtIVc
>tfw this song starts playing
>you just know the heroes will win
>but at a great cost
;_;

>>54913712
>>54914051
>>54914090
So, like, we got confirmation the link's okay?

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>>54914616

>If the manifestation options gave you CHA to attack/damage and AC/saves respectively, how would this build change?

Charisma to all saving throws is totally extravagant by Starfinder standards. However, using Charisma for AC is weaker than using Charisma for attack rolls and damage rolls, as the latter dictates direct offense.

I would have solarians use Charisma for their attack rolls and damage rolls, regardless of their choice of solar armor or solar weapon, but I would also implement an anti-dipping mechanism of some kind. I would also improve the low-level solar weapon to 2d4 damage.

>>54914765
Just download it, you sledge.

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>>54914644
Only if you post high resolution versions of them

>>54914644
I like Escaflowne ones better.

God it would be fun to do an Escaflowne campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRo-zf5fNEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK38WzlNvfk

>>54914715
VICTORY. GOES. TO. THOSE. WITH. COUUUUUUUUUUUURAAAAAAAGGGGGGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GEMU GIRU GAN GO GUFO!!!!!!!!!

>>54914765
Anyone who isn't ready to jump into suspicious links isn't ready for leaked PDFs.

>>54914776
This charisma would be in addition to the Dex bonus, not as a replacement.
Would this combination of increased resolve points and being hit far less make for a good Cha/Str split frontliner, in your opinion?

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>>54914820
That part where he punches Palparepa while starting up the chant to Hell and Heaven

>>54914776
Have you ever posted a repeat touhou image?

>>54914830
Then I guess I just have to wait for my physical copy to be delivered tomorrow.

>>54914358
I hate your decisions.

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>>54913680
whoever decided that this was a good idea needs to be dragged into the street and fucking shot. they could have had any cute critter instead of a fucking rat. a ferret, a bunny, a squirrel, guineapig, praerie dog, kitten, monkey,

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>>54914972

What do you have against rats, anon?

>>54915020
They're a bottom of the barrel option for animal races.

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>>54914972

Then make up your own. I think the Ysokai are fine

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>>54914972
>a bunny
Yes please.

>>54915057
VIERA STARFINDER HOMEBREW PLEASE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>54914972
Okay but rats are actually goddamn interesting.

>>54915102
Pathfinder already had ratfolk though, why did they need a "NEW!!!" race?

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Campaign When?

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>>54914972
>No cow
I hate you and everything you stand for.

>>54915115
Because you don't have to be "ratfolk" in space. You can be ratlike aliens, like a proper fucking science fiction setting.

>>54914567
Hello.

>>54914972
Aren't they going to have rules for making your own alien races in the bestiary type book coming out? You can make your furry bait then.

>>54915121

>Muscle bound space minotaur

Lewd games are assured with their presence.

>>54915116
Isn't that literally this game?

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>>54914972
>>54915020
>>54915031
>>54915039
>>54915057
>>54915102
>>54915115
>>54915121
>>54915131

ratfolk in my campaigns will now be otters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJoCulItdxg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY3NJFfDB1M

>>54915144
fuck you anon, this isnt furry bait, its having a small race that isnt actively disgusting

>>54914972
It's so you can have a grubby space-skaven Rocket Raccoon-like goblin-but-not-evil race

>>54915167
cute otter makes happy noises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GyhFsJoiYc

>>54915150
NO! Cows are for cute and cuddle and frolic!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iKK5-WCqTI

moo

Holy shit you guys are queers

Anybody have art for a vaguely humanoid combat drone?

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>>54915167
Majestic

>>54915200
Yes, and?

>>54915213
Stop it?

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>>54915207
>giant river otter
Don't those things eat small crocodiles?

>>54915227
No

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>>54915206

How vaguely are we talking?

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>>54915206
Here ya go love.

Also, I want a race of bird people. Stealing some inspiration from Destiny I have an idea for bird people who believe they are descendents of the Pheonix and thus have an affinity for fire. In actually them living next to the sun for so many generations have given them psudo elemental like traits which I havn't worked out yet.

>>54914840
>early morning children's show

my childhood was lameass shit compared to that.

>>54915241
Yes, they do.

>>54915131
But that's fucking stupid when already have that same fucking race in your setting. It's like if they came up and replaced catfolk or tengu with a new race that was just the same shit as before, but with a different name and "they're totally ayyys" bolted on.

>>54914429
Always care for your Drake Companion! Eventually they'll get big enough for you to ride on their backs, and they'll remember you for the care earlier in their lifespan!

>>54915249
Sounds cool. Will their species offer a lot of Solarians as Paladins of the Stars?

I'd actually like to see a young, new planet try to put their mark on the galaxy.

>>54915322

Aren't there catfolk aliens in the Veskarium, though?

Mechanic Drone vs Exocortex: which one is better and why?

I like the concept of the drone, but is it worth buying and leveling a seperate weapon for the drone?

>>54915370

Yeah, I would expect a lot of Mystics and Solarians from them. I just like the idea of them being a more "magic" race. Assuming the Elementals didn't dissappear or anything maybe they have some accord with the Fire elementals on their sun as bird people are typically always associated with wind and that's just boring.

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>>54915386
>Mechanic Drone vs Exocortex
i am wondering the same thing anon, lets figure it out together.

>>54915386
Drone gives you better action economy while Exocortex makes your actions do generally better.

I lean towards Drone but I think they're pretty close in value.

>>54915405
Sounds hot Anon, but I think it needs a bit more. Throw something out there about them that we can work with.

Deities, fashion tastes, appearances, something like that

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>>54915150
>>54915193

>>54915471

That's not an otter, you lying cretin.

What classes have access to draconic bloodlines?

>>54915526

Sorcs and bloodragers?

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>>54915526
Sorcerer
Bloodrager
Arcanist (Blood Adept)
Anyone using VMC

>>54913712
>>54914051
>>54914051
>>54914765
>>54914880
LINK IS GODDAMNED LEGIT

JESUS YOU PARANOID FUCKS ARE WHY DUNGEONS THE DRAGONING WASN'T SO WELL RECEIVED ON ITS FIRST DAY

>>54915613
>not wanting your election to get hacked just cuz you wanted to download some pdfs is paranoia

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>>54915488

Alright, as far as apperances go they are loosely based off of Malfestio from Monster Hunter. They do have feathers but the majority of the "feathers" on their backs and wings are actually scales with tough membranous skin between the fingers on their wings. They arn't stuck to resembling owls though so their body shapes can go from anything to hawks to owls to any other kind of bird really.

I havn't really pinned down their society but I imagine they are a somewhat conservative yet pragmatic lot. The cloths they wear are designed not to obscure their wings (they glide in normal gravity considering their size). Females will wear vests and vails of made of shear materials while males will wear multi-colored jewlery attached to whatever harnesses they tend to wear to help them carry equipment.

As for their God, still another part I need to flesh out but I imagine they believe their Sun to be a pheonix that did not fully resurrect and became one with the sun and in it's thrashing broke off portions of itself that eventually became them.

Now I just need a good name for them.

>>54915526
>>54915565
Wizard and magus archetypes. Blodded and eldritch scion. Any other archetypes?

>>54915636

Slapflaps? Self-roasting Turkeys? Satanistas?

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>>54914644
Only if PoW is added to the Starfinder game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyQOos6cfy4

>>54915684
>Dual-wielding might be worse than swashbuckling in Starfinder
maaaaaan

>>54915684

I quite like their first fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLxe2knWI8Q

The darkness is closing in! Tell me about your characters!

What's their name?
What is their role?
What do you like about playing them?

>>54915733
His name is Rainier
He is a melee damage man with a tiger companion in a campaign with many guns
I like playing the concern my character has for his tiger. For example: he doesn't carry a gun because the loud noises scare the tiger

>>54915733
>What's their name?
Andromeda, but he goes by Andy because he finds his full name embarassing
>What is their role?
He's the only dedicated caster as a sorcerer but relies mostly on battlefield control and debuffing. He hasn't killed before joining the group and was responsible for killing his first actual person in the most recent session, only killing gnolls, dinosaurs, and a demon before this and is a bit conflicted over it.
>What do you like about playing them?
His personality is very reserved and literal and quiet which is the opposite of my actual personality, which gives a good challenge if a roleplay. I still catch myself going into my usual sarcastic responses sometimes.

>>54915786
How thoughtful! I hope Rainier and his tiger live long and happy lives!

>>54915167

Rats are some of the most adorable animals in the world.

>>54915799
I hope they do too

>>54915793
I hope he makes it through this hurdle! It can be quite traumatic!

>>54915636
How about the Quetzen?

I was looking up Quetzalcoatl, and this lore tidbit seems to fit their deity in a way:
>After the last world, the Fourth Sun had been destroyed, Quetzalcoatl went to Mictlan, the land of the death, and created our current world, the Fifth Sun, by using his own blood to give new life to bones.

Hey, so I know the DM Screen is released today, but what do you all hope is on it?

>>54915891
Nudes of the devs.

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>>54915733
I made two unnamed NPCs for the game I'm running since I haven't made a PC for a long time.

Half-Orc Hawkguard with a hornbow specializing in Tempest Gale to stall the PCs.
Half-Orc Vigilante (Stalker) using the Critical Hit Deck to weaken the PCs for the approaching Orc squad.

The three PCs should be able to survive them (level 3 gestalts), but they will be angrier about Orcs afterwards.

>>54915876

Neat! Perhaps the Pheonix god was doing battle with a manifestation of Rovagug and was injured in such a way it couldn't fully ressurect and thus became the sun with it's blood and feathers becoming the Quetzen.

>>54915896
I hope they can stall the PCs well enough!

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>>54915918
Some background:

>1368 DR in Faerun
>PCs will have six weeks of downtime activity since they gained their last level
>Two days before the next adventure, the boss of their mercenary group fights a mageduel with a half-orc Sorcerer
>Wild Magic event unearths Imaskari ruins
>Both mages alert their groups, and it's a race to secure the ruins between the PCs and a group of orcs and half-orcs before the main forces from both sides show up

One of the treasure the PCs find will radiate no magic, but it's an item that Velsharoon needs for his ascension from demilich to demigod.

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is this thick?

>>54916004
Hurry hurry, get that treasure! Do you think they'll win the race?

>>54916021
This shaved 15 years off my life and killed my dog.

>>54915193
I'd frolic with some cowgirls if you know what I mean.

Where is the line drawn between drones and androids? Is an android drone mechanic just two droids hanging out?

>>54916095
Androids are sentient and biomechanical. Drones are neither of these.

I WANT TO IMPLANT MY CHARACTER WITH EVEEERYTHING

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>>54916032
Yes, but it might take them more than one session.

My PCs are the ones that are still trying to make their characters every game.

>Elven Shocking grasp Kensai / Evoker
>Gnome Rogue / Bard (possibly changing)
>Half-elf Ranger / Druid of Lurue (possibly changing)

I made a pregen human Devoted Defender (Golden Lion specialist) / Cleric of the Red Knight in case one of them wants to switch.

The orcs will be using alchemical items like tanglefoot bags.

>>54916158
Do it faggot, you won't.

>>54916181

Is there an actual limit. The augmentation list so far seemed sparse but could you literally get every augmentation on that list?

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>>54916021
No. Thick would be G with maybe B being the upper range getting close to BBW and I, J and L possibly being variants of the lower range.

>>54916165
Oh, agriculture GM, yeah? With the abandoned Genasi waifu in whose general direction your crazy-ass players shot magic with no warning?

>>54916191
No, there's slot limits. One augment per slot.

>>54916181
YOU LAUGH AT ME NOW BUT YOU'LL SEE. SIX PROSTHETIC ARMS. SUPER LEGS. EYES THAT CAN SEE INTO FOREVER. FIRE BREATH.

>>54915911
There we go. Now we have inspiration for them wanting to go out and finish the job, which means they get to interact with all these new aliums

How do wights' attacks work? Like what are they doing when they hit you with negative levels? With vampires slam attack we get that they're sucking blood but with wights it's unclear

>>54916215
They're touching your no-no zone with their cold, cold hands. Sucking the heat and life right out of you.

>>54916196
>B
I just had one of those over for some fun.
it was nice.

especially since I got a cuddly one.

>>54916191
You can only have one augment in each 'slot' but with the list that they currently have given you could have all the effects as things in the same slot are just a linear progression more or less.

>>54916211

Although going by the lore black holes are suppose to be representative of Rovagug so does that mean they can't or won't use the gravity powers of the Solarian for religious reasons.

Probably a good way to express that is that they feel they must fix an imbalance made when the manifestation maimed their god.

I'm thinking old lore old lore Werewolves from WoD where they understand the Wyrm's purpose but still feel obligated to stamp out Wyrm taint (granted this would be be their thoughts after they got over zelous and wiped out a few changing breeds in the process).

>>54916229
>They're grabbing your balls with ice cold hands cause wouldn't that be funny?
Garbage answer

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>>54916196
>a c d, and g through l
all pretty good
>e
is for waifu-ing because she's so tragic. I would make sure she gets a good nights sleep and a nice meal every day.

>>54916247
Their touch literally drains life. Read the ecology on the pfsrd page. Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.

>>54916254
Can't upvote on 4chan, so...Bump.

>>54916260
that's the point anon, you can't upvote, not even (you)'s really work!

>>54916215
Vampires don't drain your blood with the slam. PF and by extension ST undead are animated by a sort of paradoxical 'anti-life' energy that's strongly related to entropy. Undead that do negative levels and ability drain do so by negating part of your life essence, sort of like withering a part of your soul.

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>>54916199
Yes, that's me.

I still need them to complete their characters so I can write the campaign about them.

>>54916286
I hope they decide, so they can start growing and getting to know the locals a bit better. It's been quite a while, I think? My sense of time is fucky.

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>>54916301
We play every two weeks, but I missed the game from a week and a half ago due to illness.

In game, six weeks will have passed. They might never return to that town until after two years in game.

>>54916257
Bitch I know that I specifically asked what form it takes. HOW does energy draining work? What would it look like?

>>54916279
So how would that physically appear to the characters?

>>54916325
Bitch, they touch you with their hands, and devour your life energy. It would look like they're fucking touching you with a hand. That's fucking it. What, you want to add a light show?

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>>54916286
Wait wtf? they almost killed the waifu but earth genasi are great they're so fertile! like soft earth deeply ploughed!. Could you repeat the story about how that sequence of events happened?

Anyways I missed you agriculture GM!

>>54916317
Ohno! that's too long!

Starfinder CRB and Dead Suns PDFs just went up on the paizo site. GO GO GO!

>>54916359
Nah, they were shooting at something in her direction, they just didn't warn her, so suddenly they're firing. Would probably scare the shit out of most people.

>>54916325
Depends on how the DM wants to flavor it. As >>54916344 .... kindly noted it would look that impressive most likely but it could leave where they touched looking some how scarred or corrupted, maybe bleached or blackened flesh.

>>54916383
>it would look
*wouldn't*
It's late, I should sleep.

>>54916325
>HOW does energy draining work? What would it look like?
They are creatures with an anti-soul from the negative energy plane who are aggressively anti-life. Depending on the creature it just feels *cold* and you start to lose color until you die. They are just sucking the life out of you via negative energy.

Or with some it looks like a fucking dementor attack from harry potter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTzbAhj5NPM

With others it might look like gul'dan's life draining https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hVI6suHwE4

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>>54916359

They gained two levels in less than a tenday, so there should be some in-game explanation of them adjusting. They also have to spend the money they earned before they go off exploring again.

They will be at the ruins for a while.

>>54913680
It's SolariAn, you fuckface.

So I need opinions on how bullshit this is. Basically we've been dealing with this weird eternal storm hanging over a kingdom surrounded by mountains, only two passes in or out. There have been strange mercenaries called the Wicker Men coming out of it. All normal contact why the kingdom inside had stopped a year before the storm appeared.

Fast forward we've been watching one of the massive fortresses that holds a pass. Suddenly it lights up and there is tons of activity. We sneak in to investigate. We get inside one of the bigger chambers and can hear talking when suddenly it stops and this happens:
>GM: I need a will save from all of you
>everyone rolls
>GM: Ok, paladin you're still standing, everyone else falls prone, drops anything they're holding, and are pinned
>Paladin: I try and get Wizard up
>GM: As you're doing that what looks like an Imp made of pale gray smoke and embers appears on the balcony you all are on
>Imp: The Prince of Dust, Upon the Ashen Throne graces you with his presence.
>GM: From up the stairs a pale teenage boy walks up, as you see him you feel overpowering nausea. Everyone make a fort save.
>everyone rolls, only paladin and barb pass, everyone else is nauseated now too
>the prince just sort of walks forward as the imp dances around and looks at all of us
>the prince ends down to touch the face of our investigator (a woman)
>Paladin: I lunge at him and smite evil.
>GM: Ok, initiative.
>The fight lasted two rounds before our Paladin died
>The prince just touched him and spheres of the paladin turned to dust.
>GM: After looking down at the Paladin's dissolving body the Prince's emotionless eyes fill with tears, he weeps silently without so much of a touch of the mouth. He turns to leave, the Imp with him, chuckling as he goes.
>GM: Maybe a minute later you all can move again.
>We fuck off, our wizard dimension dooring us away

How bullshit was this encounter?

>>54916242
Solarions consider that idea heresy, and accept that the balance of light and darkness goes beyond good and evil, or Rovagug and Sarenrae/Desna.

>>54916641
I want to punch that GM just because of how faggoty the Prince of Dust is.

>>54916641
Gee, an unknown, exceedingly powerful crerature causes a ruckus at a ;ocation, and is clearly powerful. the GM< gave you strong hints that this was a monster encounter that you were nbot going to win, and your paladin didn't even bother with a detect evil.

The bullshit was that you didn't take the hint that this was a main badguy that you weren't powerful enough to fight ~yet~.

I would have at least said "don't touch her" before taking the fight to him and dying gloriously..

>>54916641
Gonna need a little more information than 'everyone failed their saves', but pretty bullshitty.

>>54916641
The paladin attacked somebody far above his paygrade during a scripted event. I mean, it sucks, but depending on your level, there are certainly things that could instantly fuck you. I dunno about instant pinning, but GMs have been known to make custom shit. Threat assessment is important to adventurers, and everything you meet isn't something you can kill.

>>54916796
>>54916641
That being said, it sounds stupid.

>>54916641
Sounds intended to kill a PC regardless to drum up cheap drama from how his touch seemed to just kill people and he was reaching for a party member.

>>54916641
Moderately bullshit. The GM should've at least given the Paladin's player an "are you sure?" when he announced he was attacking.

>>54913922
but then he doesn't get to attention whore with all his anime pictures

>>54916641
>investigator (a woman)

What did he mean by this?

But yeah I don't see what the Paladin or anyone else who might've saved was meant to do there. I can only assume the gm thought he'd get you all and Dust Twink had some ~mysterious~ intention. If he wasn't going to dust the investigator then he probably could've used his god powers to stop the paladin without killing him though. Maybe the paladin has been sent to the Dust Realm and will reappear later and you'll get some explanation for this shit.

>>54914201
Source on the porn? Apostae entry only mentions guns.

>>54915733
Urgish the Dread Claw (Urgish the Spooky Booper to his friends)
He's the undead bloodline sorcerer in charge of raising bodies and giving debuffs
I love playing a "good" Necromancer that sees his minions more like children and just wants the rest of the party to have a good time

>>54917083

Drowtales is a well drawn, popular webcomic, written by someone with more cognitive dissonance than a homosexual muslim.

It has a non-canon spin off set in a science fantasy space future where everyone has sex all the time between killing each other.

>>54916095
Difference between an android and a drone is the same as between you and algae.

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>how werk and wat do?
TL;DR - Accusation Spells places a debuff on your victim (s, there are Mass versions at higher levels) which, when in place, gives you free rein to scream such harmful verbal rape at them that they take damage from it (starting at 1d6+casting stat per scream for the lower level spells). You can use your dapper bants - aptly called Accusations - up to once per caster level. But wait, there's more! The higher level spells let you use Bluff or Intimidate checks to increase your damage, and also introduce debuffs such as shaken and sickened that say "go fuck yourself!" to the enemy's immunities, and straight up remove them (for a short while) if they can't handle your style! Did you ever really, really want to fear that paladin? Well now you can! Order now at 1-800-MAXIMIZEPAIN, and you'll get a free stab in the back! What are you waiting for? Click the damn link NOW!

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Go fuck yourselves, /pfg/, before someone else does it for you!

>>54914429

>>54914442

>>54917275
I would rather have a concrete system to do more socially with skill checks. Crush peoples' moods, make people love or hate each other, count as enemies/friends, etc. Give gamey nerds a better idea of how to manipulate a court and a more solid ground to plan-out such things on.

Casters neither need the utility or the complexity of adding insults to their spells.

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Could someone direct me to good Cavalier-related homebrew? Particularly, feats that modify Challenge and/or Banner?

I like them since they're partially emotionally-based (Ex) abilities, but in vanilla PF there's only Chain Challenge & Banner of Doom

>>54917363
That's called roleplaying and not being a literal autist, anon.

>>54917363
>Not playing a witch who uses curses to activate her hexes.

>>54913680
So... why are bows not considered Analog devices?
How do you hack string and I'm assuming either steel or fiberglass?

>>54917427
so doing ti with spells is less autistic?

>>54917470
I have no idea.

Fancy targeting tech or something maybe. Something to hold arrows in place while you draw it?

It's also a Special (Read: Exotic) weapon, entertainingly. It took who fucking knows how long between Path and Star, but it happened.

>>54915478
>>54915471
Well, after considering the chance to even hit a target, I'm starting to think that it's completely dependent on the drone's ability to increase it's attack modifier.

I compared it to the enemies from First Contact, and the first feat taken is weapon focus. It looks like when taking a single shot per round against KAC, a level 1 combat drone has a 55% chance to hit space goblins, the 50% chance to hit a space pirate crewman. When the drone is level 4, it has a 35% chance to hit a CR4 Ksarick.

Since martial enemies seem to have higher KAC than EAC, you'd get ~10% bonus chance to hit them by using an energy weapon. Using a drone as a mobile grenade platform would also be more reliable although expensive.

I'm not sure if computers can be used like this, but if a drone could have their weapons fired by computers instead of themselves, you could turn a combat drone into a tank by mounting it with the appropriate equipment. At third level, a combat drone could be using a long arm as it's primary weapon, with two small arms being fired seperately by computer control. The increased attacks would help offset the low accuracy, but it'd be expensive to maintain three weapons and the computer system handling it. But I can't find a lot of information about computers in combat other than the ability to control turrets using their tier as their base attack bonus. If anyone knows where in the book I can find out more about computers, I'd appreciate it.

Meanwhile, the Exocortex can attempt to hack and shut down the environmental protections of anyone within 20ft without impacting the mechanic's turn. Having mastery of all nearby computer systems (including enemy turret systems and any non-analog weapons with overload) seems like a great ability. Also, using a move action to target an enemy and a standard action to fire an overcharged energy weapon seems like a good attack in the early levels, although it'd only be 10% more accurate than a drone attack.

>>54917470
Shurikens, nets, and unarmed strikes too

>>54917470
Strings are probably hard light or some bullshit
Or they've got magnetic accelerators in them, etc

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>>54917577

>>54917603
This is autistic and I hate it

>>54917603
>aluminium and plastic
they're not even fucking trying
we'll never get gundams at this rate

>>54917616
What gets me is that Archaic is 'primitive materials, such as wood or common steel'

So first off, we've gone beyond iron and steel working the same in pathfinder, now FUCKING WOOD and steel work the same.

Even worse, the description for a Longsword in Starfinder (A non-archaic weapon) says the following:
>Modern longswords are made of stainless steel, carbon steel, or, rarely, a custom material such as titanium or bainite.

STAINLESS STEEL DOESN'T CUT BETTER, IT'S TO STOP THEM RUSTING, GOD FUCKING DAMNIT.

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>>54917683
>stainless steel swords
>STAINLESS
>STEEL
>SWORDS
I thought I was beyond getting triggered by paizuri at this point. But alas...

[[THE SOUND OF PAIN BEING MAXIMIZED]]

>>54917683
>>54917703
Uhh duhhh stainless steel cuts so good not even blood stains it, it cuts through that too.

>>54917703
I think titanium swords made me more angry.
That's how to waste a lot of money very fast.

>>54917717
Yes, but it's also brittle as fuck and breaks the moment you slash at something proper. Have you never seen any of those videos of chink fake swords?

>>54917718
>Not being a tsundere cock-hungry smug Android showing off his Stainless Titanium Sword.

Psssh, check your emotions kiddo.

>>54916750
That is some of the most bullshit bullshit I've ever read on here.

>>54916937
Probably got it: The GM knew that most likely the Paladin (they tend to have top-notch saves) would pass, and even if he didn't then he could just pick his target regardless. Running's not going to work, simply letting the bad guy act without at least trying something is not only a terrible idea but runs contrary to pretty much every bone in most adventurers bodies, and the instant-kill ability is some custom bullshit (no damage, no save, no specific effect type, *just gone*? that's outside the system).

The encounter was deliberate bullshit with a dead paladin or investigator (but probably the paladin by directly threatening a currently helpless part of the party) very likely one of the primary goals there.

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So there's been a lot of talk about converting Pathfinder to Starfinder, but I have a more important question:

How about converting Starfinder material back into Pathfinder? You could make some interesting "warrior from the future" sort of characters.

>>54917840
Mystic Cure is fucking amazing and should be in pathfinder.

>>54917840
Behold, a port of Operative:
>Weapon Proficiencies: simple weapons and one-handed firearms.
>Trick Attack works as is with simple weapons and one-handed firearms, but damage is increased to 1d8/level.
>Replace off-target with a -2 penalty to attack.
>Triple Attack and Quad Attack give you an extra attack at Full BAB whenever you full attack with a simple weapon or a one-handed firearm.
>Daredevil and Thief both give +4 to trick attacks, like other specialisations
>any ability that spends resolve points instead requires 10 minutes of rest per resolve point cost to be reused
>Debilitating Sniper doesn't exist
>Blindsense/Blindsight are explicitly specified to function like in Starfinder instead of Pathfinder
>Come up with some bullshit for the hacking stuff
Doneso.

>>54917929
There's so many base mechanical things that need to be backported.

Shit like the specific definitions of states of awareness. Blindsight/Sense not autofoiling stealth and actually having FUCKING SOURCES.

Mystic Cure.

Some things I'm not such a fan of, like swapping your grip on an object (Like letting go of a two-handed weapon with one hand to free the hand) being a Swift action. That can go.

But overall, there's a lot of GOOD SHIT.

>>54913680
Buy Starfinder books you fucking cunts. I pussy I like to tap isn't cheap.

what swift actions has a bloodrager because I keep reading that arcane strike isn't very good for then due swift action cost

>>54918096
Nothing really.

>>54917733
then why do they use it for knives?

>>54918209
It's about sharp impacts, which knives aren't for.

>>54918003
What does mystic cure DO?

>>54917840
I mean, a decent chunk of the technology weapons are already published.
It's still golarion. humans and lashunti still work the same so I'm assuming all other races would too.

The classes use slightly different systems (Star's looking to be heavily better to the point that I wish Soldier would get back-ported), but they could definitely play in the same party. Hacking-based classes would be at a disadvantage but that'll happen when you go back to the past. Meanwhile, you have space weapons so you're still balanced.

Only thing you'd really need to figure out is skill system, which would be pretty easy. Know (Engin)-Craft-Disable Device = Engineering. UMD-Spellcraft = Mysticism, Etc.

>>54918209
Not a problem if you're slicing tomatoes, dumping it in the sink from 6 inches up, or twisting it into some fleshy fleshy bits.

It'll crack in one or two hits of parrying a crowbar swung at full force though, and your eyes won't like the incoming results if you block another hit in front of your face once that happens.

>>54918003
Honestly, Starfinder kinda feel like they game they've been wanting to make all along but felt held back by needing to shoehorn it into a DnD 3.5 clone.

It's like comparing Dungeon World to Apocalypse World, just the release order is switched.

With how much random interplanetary lore and sci-fi tech kept randomly getting injected into a Forgotten Realms knockoff setting though, you can really tell they've had Starfinder on their mind for quite some time.

>>54918136
I don't get the complain in the guides then

>>54918237
It's a level-scaling amalgamation of cure wounds and (a better) breath of life.

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>>54918237
It's also in undercast style.

>>54918237
It's 5e's Cure Wounds.

Alternately, if unfamiliar, imagine if Cure Critical Wounds could be undercast like a psychic tiered spell.

>>54918283
The guides complain about spells being standard action, so there is always the fact that they can be fucking whiney.

>>54918279
For a game they wanted to make all along, they certainly had no interest in constructive criticism (from typos to abilities that simply do not work to situations and systems that are just missing from the base rules) or proper playtesting.

I think they it's the setting they wanted to write, but the mechanics were a distant afterthought.

>>54918354
which abilities don't work?

Paizo didn't take playtesters seriously for Pathfinder either. They are and always have been awful at mechanics.

>>54918354
I mean, it's certainly a lot easier shoehorning in inane socjus tropes when your setting isn't based on medieval-to-early modern times, gods and sensibilities. Anyone can open a history book and read about how X wasn't a thing in reality's closest analogy to any given part of PF!Golarion, whereas in Starfinder you can just handwave whatever bullshit you want into the setting because "it's the future mang".

So have they explained the Gap in greater detail? Like how long has it been since it occurred?

>>54918379
Solarian radiation pulse against anything that isn't naked primitives for one

>>54918354
>but the mechanics were a distant afterthought.
that's true for all paizo products look at this mess

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/sacred-geometry/
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/arithmancy

In what game are these ever supposed to not bring the entire table to a screeching halt for no good reason?

>>54918407
I've always been disturbed by how much they obsess over socjus. I mean certainly what two consenting adults do in their own bedroom is none of our business, and those that go on and on about curing buttsex just don't want to admit it turns them on. But it's a far cry from that to being supposed to believe that not-pretending that guy over there is a beautiful woman or using special pronouns is somehow evil, or to pretend that any and all slavery in all its forms including debt-repayment like some romans did is always abjectly evil, or that the god of family and communities saying "could everyone just stay home and make a gosh-darned community for once" is evil because he was also including women in his complaint, or any other number of oddities in PF lands.

>>54918383
ignoring or not using playtesters is what made 3.5 so janky and unbalanced compared to editions both prior and subsequent, and what led to the failure of 4e.

You'd think Paizo would learn form their competitor's mistakes, given those are what led them to success in the first place.

You would only think that if you didn't remember that Paizo used to make Dragon magazine and has never been higher quality than that.

>>54918457
Competitor? That's like saying your dad is your biggest rival for daring to teach you everything you know.

The forums are rampant with completely absurd defenses of the holes - there's even folks that have claimed the DC70 orders checks make mechanical and story sense on ships for example.

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>>54918209
Because a kitchen knife being "brittle" isn't a terrible thing. You need hardness (aka 'brittleness') to have and hold an edge, you need softness to be able to take an impact without shattering. Most properly made swords (especially katanas) have a hard outer shell and a softer core. This is why you see the edges chip after impact.

In fact part of what gives katana's their curve is differential tempering. Older techniques had them insert a slightly different type of metal into the back/middle of the katana, more modern techniques partially coated the metal bar that would eventually become the finished sword in things like clay, when they were cooled they would go from being straight to curved because the metal cooled at different rates.

You also aren't smacking your knife into things or using it to block impacts, you're just using it for fairly rudimentary slicing.

There's a reason why people learned to intercept blows and parry with swords, guiding impacts away before they could do too much damage, sure it would still do some damage to your sword - but it wouldn't risk it shattering. Oh and why biiiig offhand daggers with guards (or on pirate ships offhand axes) were so common, you could use them to catch your opponents weapon and trap it (the L shape of an axe was actually quite nice for it).

>>54918479
If your dad is running a separate company in the same field in the same market as you he is.

>>54918297
>20d8 healing as a 6th level spell
Not bad.

>>54918307
Not bad

>>54918455
>those that go on and on about curing buttsex
I find it amusing that most often in socjus circles, those who virtue signal the hardest eg male feminists about some particular inane thing, are often the would-be biggest proponents of it.

I know that didn't parse well... so, a lot of what they spout (eg "men are just big creeps!" as a tame version) isn't necessarily true, but its a deep seated belief that they personally hold, so they're trying to make themselves seem not as bad, by projecting that on to others and then 'beating' them.

there's an absurd amount of male feminists that have been ousted as legitimate sex offenders/rapists. and that's not even getting started on crazy shit like pedophilia

But yeah, paizo gets a lot of things wrong, because they absolutely hate the idea of nuance and they just *have* to virtue signal.

>>54918455
>>54918407
Alright give it to me what's the worst starfinder actually has? Cuz it seems pretty tame to me.

>go out of their way to say the sex change potion is permanently and not dispelable so no evil wizard can untransition you I guess
>of the scant dozen odd gods mentioned they give the sex god a little write up for whatever reason
>one species on one planet has seven genders

That's about all I've seen so far

>>54918551
Not super familiar with starfinder, but aren't the lashunta who used to be sexually dimorphic now "in ye olden times it male children were forced to be male adults, and female children were forced to be female adults. Now that we're in le modern progressive era, regardless of their sexparts they can choose to be male / female adults".

Basically a 'haha fuck the gender binary' type gotcha virtue-signal for the "genderfluid"/"genderqueer".

>>54918551
The fucking Lashunta being the postergirl species of the game, with "i get to choose what sexual characteristics and body strengths i want" shenanigans
Sex change potions being literally so butt cheap you could give it to kids like candy
Arshea, or just god choices in general, heck you could include Iomedaddy too

>>54918575

The way it is described in Starfinder, both male and female lashuntas can become either sub-species upon reaching sexual maturity; in past eras, men were usually one, and females usually the other, primarily due to environmental factors more than anything else. Once it was discovered that this could be manipulated through outside factors, meditation, and drugs, it became a lot more useful to see what subspecies you needed more of this generation and 'suggest' the upcoming Lashunta go mostly one way or the other depending on the race's needs.

>>54918414
>Today, roughly 3 centuries after the obscured period now referred to as the Gap

Seems like 300 years bobby

>>54918605
>the gap is 300 years out of date

Any word on the release pdfs for the CRB, the adventure and scenarios?

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>>54918414
>>54918605
>>54918618
Hold on, found this.

3.17 centuries more exactly, bobby.

>>54918625
That tells us when it ended, not when it happened or how long it was.

>>54918637
We don't know. Pre-gap records are referred to as "ancient history".

>>54918348
I mean that I don't get why they complain about arcane strike being swift, and therefore useless for bloodrager, if bloodrager doesn't have swift actions

>>54918637
>>54918658

We do know the AR calender was somewhere in the 5000s before the Gap happened, so the known timeline looks like this:

5XXX start of gap, unknown number of years in gap (but at least long enough for the current older elves to be missing huge chunks of memories, so at least 700 years or so if I remember elven ages right), 300 years after gap.

>>54918708
>AR calendar in the 5000s
Where's this from? I mean it's not unthinkable given the 4717 Current Day of PF, but do you have any specific source to share?

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>>54918724

Pic related, out of the starfinder CRB's setting chapter.

currently recruiting games are:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends this week...if it is real) - lewd AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85418/mint-rebels-double-treason (ends nest week) - rationalist spin on Hell's Rebels AP
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/84677/godslayers (ends in one month and a half) - kill gods, be mythic

Anon! Hey, anon! Finish your app!

>>54918756
>Nearly 5 millennia
Doesn't tell us much about whether it was 4999AR or 4750AR when the gap hit, but okay.

>>54918777

It's what we have to go with, and archaeologically speaking it's better than nothing.

>>54918756
Paizuri really needs to cover other dating systems, because there's no fucking way every world in the galaxy was using AR, and even less reason that golarion documents would be the only things around.

>>54918756
>Starting with the ascension of a now-dead and mostly forgotten god of humanity named Aroden

NO.

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>>54918488
>mfw I missed out on a conversation about metallurgy

Feels bad, man.

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>>54918551
Hold on, I also found this gem. It might be a bit obscure, but I'm fairly fucking sure it's not a coincidence.

>sarcesian
Now where do I remember that from? Hmm...

>>54918827
where DO you remember that from? I can't quite put my finger on it

>>54918775
Is it just me or has it been like three weeks with no new posting?

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>>54918831
Let's see if this refreshes your memory a bit, anon.

>>54918831
>>54918827

The Sarkeesians have been a thing sice 2012!

>>54918594
>Sex change potions being literally so butt cheap you could give it to kids like candy

Hey, there's also a serum that alters your appearance, so you can have luscious golden locks or a fat pair of tits!

>>54918854
>>54918846
It might be because it's 6 in the morning here and I should really be going to bed (but instead I'm going to work in an hour) but... doesn't ring a bell.

>>54918883
I want luscious golden locks FROM my fat pair of tits.

>>54918846
>>54918854
They're not even pronounced the same though.

>>54918921
>Sar-KEE-sian
>SAR-ses-ian? SAR-kess-ian?
It's not exactly far off either way.

>>54918886
"Anita Sarkeesian", Anon. It did take me a minute to catch the reference.

She's basically a complete stereotype of man-hating "feminazi", known for a few scams and giving herself fake death-threats during the whole gamergate thing. Paizo adores her and made her followers into wonderous angels of light in the heavens.

>>54918940
Her ED page is disgustingly on-point; one of those cases of reality being more fucked up than any exaggeration you can invent.

>>54918940
I guess every person named Joe is secretly referencing Moe. Calistra is really referencing Caligula .

Or fuck, that guy from Terminator. Do you think that the word Sarkeesian as a name just spontaneously popped from the aether?

>>54918940
Who is John Galt and why is a nation named after him?

>>54919001
No idea. I asked around but Atlas shrugged.

>>54918479
I'm only seeing 10+2x ship tier, which would be max 50, and those are all on Stunts, which, yeah, it's gonna be hard getting a 1000 point armored like an Abrams tank Independence Day Mothership to turn on a dime like it's a skateboard. Everything but Dreadnaught size (200), maximum armor for that size (300), fastest drift engine for that size (140), and best computer (200) cost less than 100. Most less than 20. Which still leaves us at a mere 840 of 1000.

Vortex weapons have a 15+1.5xShip tier DC, but that's even lower at, 45DC.

Since it's honestly pretty difficult to even get a ship that expensive without at some point purchasing the computer system that gives a +10, which means really your effective DC is 40, 38 if you have the slower thrusters that turns better.
Expected to be attempted by what is at earliest an 18th level character, because as the book states, things higher than 2+level aren't assumed to be available to you.

Or, for a comparable check from the more familiar pathfinder for reference, getting this 15,000ft, 70,000 metric ton behemoth to pull a screeching halt and swivel 180 degrees for a flip and burn over the course of 6 seconds, with computer assistance, is the same as moving at full speed across an ice-covered 2inch walkway during an earthquake.
Which seems about right to me. Those are pretty equivalent challenges.

>>54918575
closer to "it turns out this species's severe sexual dimorphism wasn't actually related to sex so much as societal pressures during puberty."

Or, transferred into SJW jargon, "what they assumed to be biological sex differences turned out to just be gender role differences. When roles became less segregated by sex, the forms followed."

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>>54919203
This means I can play a tall, slender bishie male, or a short and busty stronk-girl!

>>54918598
>and drugs

>psychic ritual and force of will [p49]

Dude stop.

>>54919087
Tier is the ship's level, not it's size or necessarily even complexity sometimes. In other words if you upgrade, say, your shield generator, whether your engines got more responsive or stayed exactly the same doesn't matter: If you wanted to dodge and avoid free shots against your movement it's DC 15+2xTier (so 55 max). Sure that sounds reasonable on a supercarrier, except your fighter's got the same fucking DC.

Let's say you want to encourage a crewmember. The DC is solely determined by what ship you both are on. Diplomacy check is 15+Tier, so 35 to give a +2 to ensign-fuckface as he tries to operate the turbolift without dying.

You can grant one additional (but it has to be a different one) action to a gunner by spending one resolve point and rolling a DC 10+3xTier. That's right. DC 70 on a level 20 ship. SEVENTY. We're in "that one build able to climb into people's anuses with escape artist" difficulty here.

And it doesn't matter, it doesn't MATTER IN THE FUCKING LEAST if you don't use those points. Because the ship's tier automatically goes up with the party level. It's based on APL. When you'll have the chance to use those build points or even just choose not to is an entirely separate affair: party levels up, every DC goes up by 2 or 3.

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I just want to beep.

>>54919227
Wait so if you are level 20, the DC is for improving the turn radius is 55 no matter if you're in a level 20 dreadnought with all 1000 points used up, or in the same 55-point landing shuttle the party started with? And 55 in that TIE fighter the operative hijacks because he's level 20?

WTF?

>>54919227
>multiplicative scaling when your skills increase linearly

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>54919251
Play an Agathion-Blooded Aasimar as a holy beep sheep.

>>54919268
>>54919269
And now you know why people are bitching

>>54919289
oh my god there's people actually defending this decision on the forums.

how the hell has paizo been publishing for this many years and they put out as unpolished a thing as the solarion. there are so few meaningful and decent choices. "new system so let's just repeat errors 3.x got wrong originally that we had to patch out last time."

>>54918777
If it's 4750 then they've grown a lot in the effective 333 years since modern, because I'm assuming nothing progressed significantly during the Gap.

Because they had to have an established offworld presence in order to survive the removal of homeworld.

>>54919360
All of those things are shit we're finding in our first readthrough. It's not "white room theorycrafting with years of numbercrunching behind it" like they'll probably claim.

"10+3*20 = 70" is goddamn blatant.

>>54919269
>>54919349
They already fixed this once with skills when they went from 3.5 to PF (giving a flat+3 to trained instead of that whole half scaling mess).

Then they go ahead and reintroduce it to the system.

I'm internally screaming here. They don1t have the slightest fucking clue about system design.

Do you have advice for roleplaying a character who lives a double life? I'm asking here because Pathfinder has the Vigilante base class, but I wouldn't necessarily be using (or even able to use) it.

>>54919272
That sounds like a great idea. What class should I play? Avowed?

Also how loudly should I beep while having sex. There's no point in being a beep unless I can also be a saucy tart.

any word on the adventure path yet?

>>54919409
None whatsoever beyond it's coming out shortly.

>>54919405
>What class should I play? Avowed?

Agathion-blooded Aasimar are +Con +Cha, so Avowed would work reasonably well! As for your spoiler, do what feels right in that scene, there shouldn't be a "default" level of beep for something like that.

>>54919370
Why would you assume that? The Gap was not a period of "nothing happened", it was a period of "apparently someone decided to wipe everything that happened from history". A bunch of things happened during the gap, judging by the number of conflicts that had erupted or otherwise changed between pathfinder era and after gap era.

0 AG is not "when the gap ended", it's "when the gods(?) hit the FORGET button". We don't know exactly how long of a wipe it was, but it was several centuries. And besides Golarion disappearing, there is bound to have been quite a few things happening during it; what we do now of the PF era is that Absalom Reckoning lasts for "nearly 5 millennia" until the Gap hits, at which point we know nothing anymore. Thus, anywhere in between AR 4717 and 4999 can be the start of the Gap, which is the "period of time we have no records of".

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>>54918775
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/85043/bones-and-bed-shackles (ends this week...if it is real) - lewd AP
>literal buttpirates raiding your booty

>>54919449
Unfortunately, most of the applications are either depressingly anime or generic.

>>54919227
That seems to assume you own only one ship.
What does it do if you own multiple ships? Do you split the tiers among them or like...?

>>54917275
>Sonic damage
>for anti/pally, cleric, bard, inquisitor and witch lists
>sorcwiz left out to dry

Is this how we maximize the pain?

>>54919227
NPCs have their skills treated differently. Just hire an NPC crew to man all your stations while you do hero things like cast spells and board.

>>54919215
Indeedy do.

Starfinder scenarios just went live at paizo.

>>54919268
I feel like this issue here is ship tier being based on APL.
The tarrasque of a dreadnaught being a pain to handle makes sense.
A freighter, but with the egregious amount of bells and whistles it would take to cost the same as that dreadnaught being a nuisance, makes sense.
An enemy's bare bones fighter being easy to handle makes sense.

That same enemy fighter becoming as difficult to handle as your dreadnaught the moment you hijack it, or even your own fighter mimicing their specifications, is when things get stupid.

Perhaps they should have said "your ship's maximum tier" is equal to APL instead of just "your ship's tier"?

>>54919403
That depends on the kind of double life.

Are we talking about the kind of double life where a guy "travels for business" and has two separate families he keeps secret from one another?

A highly successful intellectual property lawyer who also runs a neo-Nazi record company and keeps the two halves of his life distinctly separate?

Or are we talking about a mild-mannered blacksmith by day who puts on a mask and punches evildoers by night?