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Haha Burd Hold

>>54868612
>implying HG has enough money to stand up to Disney/Time Warner, whichever of the two owns that particular brand of capeshit.

>>54868732
Pretty sure that is Marvel. they even have ex-nazi villains like Red Skull.

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>>54868612
Do battletech fans call themselves battletechnicians?

>>54869480
No.

Threadly reminder that NEA is a fucking nazi.

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>>54869583
... whatever you say, kid

>>54869583
About two thirds of BT "veterans" are soppy american oldboys with emotional problems regarding not only masculinity, but also relating to others past any form of rifts of identity, agreed. There's nothing scarier to them than a woman, a foreigner, a queer or a tranny. Well maybe responsibility, but that's it.

But NEA? How'd you make that relation? He's about the most responsible and well-adjusted of the bunch. Like, a hygienic enough person to stand public scrutiny.

>>54869932
>There's nothing scarier to them than a woman, a foreigner, a queer or a tranny. Well maybe responsibility, but that's it.

Sounds like 99% of men tbqh

>>54870434
>>54869932
>>54869583
Fuck Drumpf and fuck white people

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Well this thread should get amusing fast...

As for the discussion about allowing Class C refits to a tournament event? Gods above never. Say, in a 16 person event with 8 tables going, if even a handful of people bring customized machines, I'd need to recreate each and every one in in SSW or MML to verify they're legal or even close to it - and if the machine spirit decides to be cantankerous that day...it gets even more time consuming. And heaven forbid if I find an illegal design and all the enjoyment that can bring depending on the player involved.

I honestly also have some mixed feelings towards using base BTech as a Tournament game - I can see Alpha Strike doing it well, but I haven't had much time in the past few years to dig into it very thoroughly.

>>54869583
National Education Association are nazis?!

>>54870556
This is why we need Urbies to clear out BLM and Antifa.

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>>54869583

>>54870958
Well, now that I think of it, that claim is credible. I mean, it would perfectly illuminate the reason why all these torch-bearing and toupee-wearing, dodge-driving degenerates can still exist in this country in this day and age.

i really like me some purple bird

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>>54869583

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>>54869583
>a fucking nazi.

You have that backwards. It's:

>fucking a nazi

I'm pretty sure his wife is german.

Also,

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>>54869583

That's probably the most objectively wrong thing I've ever seen here short of "CGL is doing a great job with the license". NEA's really clearly a moderate with a slight left leaning in social issues, but who don't pass any of the left's purity tests because he owns and teaches about guns and is ok with deploying the military to support national interests.

You aren't one of those idiots who thinks that nazis are leftists, right? Because that would make you a fucking idiot, anon.

>>54869932
As a battletech veteran socialist, stop talking out your ass, This is a game, I've never seen much personal politics at my table, my BT group is mostly left-leaning, has been for decades,

Let's keep /pol/ bullshit on its containment board, /btg/ isn't the place for it

>>54872365
>As a battletech veteran socialist

Found the nazi.

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So, since we're on the subject - summer's wearing late, autumn is on the march, and in just a month, we'll be arriving on the most important occasion of the year. Oktoberfest. OKTOBERFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

How does House Steiner celebrate this magnificient occasion? None of that feddie traitor pharaoh dogpiss mind you, only Lyran beverages.

>>54872024
Favorite purple bird mech from the 3050s or 3060s?

>>54872427
Lyran beverages like sake from New Kyoto?

>>54872451
A different guy, but Tarantula is swell. Creepy crawly.

>>54869583
I'm ok with this, actually. I want Nazis to die, and I want nea to die for spoiling Battletech for everyone else who reads about Cincy.

>>54872826
I thought you were in twelve-step and got over that shit

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Can we have a happy thread!?
Happy ships, mechs and things!

>>54870958
Yep

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>>54873055
Sounds good to me.

>>54873055
I liked the 2750 visuals for most of the SLDF ships better. Not a fan of the gay-ass paddle on the Aegis.

>>54872971

I'm not that guy. I've never met him in person at a con, I just don't think that setting a very high bar for what constitutes a "good" Battletech game is good for the health of the franchise.

>Battletech game gets pushed back a year more.

Welp.

How long has that game been in development for now? 3 years? Just how mismanaged is the project?

>>54875406
what happened?

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>>54875450
"We need more time." ~ Basically.

I mean, I trust them but the writing is on the wall. The beta was supposed to go online a good while ago, then got pushed back like 2 months because they had to redo something from the ground up.
They promised MP quickly and that also fell flat as they got to a point where they had to re-do the networking of the game, also from scratch.

I give them the benefit of the doubt that the time is final but we're really looking at some major fuck-ups that would cost them the project if it wasn't a Kickstarter (and thus something they must deliver on or get branded as scammers and not see another cent again).

>>54875406
They have a legal fight that won't get solved until next year.

>>54872451

Wraith.

>>54875406
>>54875450

HG lawsuit is probably fucking their shit up since the lineup of 'Mechs now needs to be changed and they have no idea how to break it to the ultra-grogs who are a major demographic in their Kickstarter backing.

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>>54875526
>>54875556
Demo, Battletech only has Marauder and Warhammer in it.
They are pretty light on Macross machines altogether.

>>54875556
The only mechs that are affected by the lawsuit and were "confirmed" for the game was the warhammer and marauder (neither of which are currently in the Beta), so i dont think its much of a problem.

>>54875824
>>54875838

HG filed suit over the Atlas and the Shadowhawk and other far reaching junk, and the court date isn't until September 2018. So nothing is getting solved until then.

Were you guys not in the thread when all this was found out last month?

>>54875838
To be fair, the Marauder was in the game as they merrily used them during the convention presentation.

Still, replacing 2 units does not constitute a setback of quarter of a year or more.
As I said, I'm much more suspect of their constant redoing of shit that should have been solid the first time 'round.

>>54875876
>HG filed suit over the Atlas and the Shadowhawk and other far reaching junk

HG sued the Battletech guy over using unseens which he made an agreement with them not to use.
The randomly thrown images were there simply because the game hasn't made any direct art of the "infringing" robots yet.

>>54875956
No they didn't. They sued the game companies and are trying to drag Jordan in for a decision that had nothing to do with him as he just licensed existing stuff from PGI. And they do directly claim those other things are infringing. Obviously, they intend at some point to ratchet it down to the actual unseen instead but that point is never going to get reached until it actually goes to court. So in the meantime, everything is in limbo.

Get your facts straight.

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Where can I find rules on making and customizing omnimechs?

I was playing around with customizing the Perseus since I like the idea of an "Omni Orion" but I wasn't really in love with any of the variants.

The XL engine seemed too dangerous so I dropped it to a standard engine. This one has ferro-fibrous armor though I've considered also going with standard.

>>54875824
>>54875838

Yes, and they have to decide whether to actually go through with facing HG in court given they have a frankly shit defence with HG holding all the cards, or if they want to develop new art. Odds are good this case will be settled out of court, because HBS and PGI will get fucking *crushed* if they try it on.

None of this would be an issue if it weren't for the decision not to make PP a full retcon, but for the era the game is set in the Unseen canonically use the Unseen appearances, or the MWO/Nuseen appearances that are getting retconned in, and the grogs expect those because that is what has been marketed.

>>54876024

Weisman was involved with the creation of MWO (which uses art that is VERY similar to the RT/Macross art and which I suspect will be found to be infringing in court, or agreed to be so in settlement). He knew he wasn't supposed to be involved in anything like that, and that nobody involved in handling BT IP was meant to either. This is HG's trump card and is why I expect HBS/PGI to be so screwed. He was there at the inception of MW5/3015 with Smith and Tinker and that morphed into MWO, and he's the head of HBS which turned around and licensed potentially infringing images from PGI. He's in it up to his eyebrows, he's not some random HG have targeted out of the blue.

>>54876122

>Where can I find rules on making and customizing omnimechs?

Tech Manual.

The changes you've made here are too extreme for he design to be an Omni config. You can't change the engine type or armour like that. It needs to either be a variant of the Orion or a new Omni entirely really.

As for the machine itself, not great. The firepower is light, it's over-sinked, and it has too much S-SRM ammo. I'd rather use on ON2-M.

>>54876302
PGI is a totally separate company from any of Jordan's stuff. He was unable to secure funding for MW5 and so had to drop out of that. He didn't have anything to do with MWO or generating any of the "infringing" images.

>>54876510

>starts marketing and making MW5/3015
>drops out
>another company picks up the ball and begins using (potentially) infringing images
>starts making another computer game
>oh hey let's also use those (potentially) infringing images

HG's interest in the link between Jordan and MWO is mostly due to it going to a pattern of behaviour. The MW5 trailer used images that were deemed to be infringing and had to be pulled, then PGI used potentially infringing images, then HBS immediately jumped on those as well.

CGL's Newseen looked a lot more distinct than those of MWO to the Unseen, and even they folded by essentially admitting they had infringed. They didn't even file a defence, just took it on the chin and changed projects in the works.

>>54876372
What about as a Perseus 2.0?

I'm just using it as a basis for improvements on the original.

If I switch out the engine to a SFE and drop two sinks, it leaves 32 tons of pod space. Is that good enough for an IS omni?

Although now that you mention it, the ON2-M is a pretty solid piece to go with.

>>54872451
grand titan

>>54873952
thighking the great and danguard ass

>>54876602
>MW5 trailer used images that were deemed to be infringing and had to be pulled
>deemed

No. They were claimed to be infringing, the 3rd party place hosting was sent a C&D and that was the end of that. Nothing ever went on directly between the parties involved. It was the negative press that tanked the investor interest.

>even they folded by essentially admitting they had infringed. They didn't even file a defence, just took it on the chin and changed projects in the works.
They didn't admit anything. They just plain didn't show up, but have also claimed that they have some kind legal plan in the works. They're likely trying to see how the other cases are going to shake out and then file an appeal based on the result if it's favorable.

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>>54876675

>>54876652
Well, as a Perseus II, I think it would still be unspectacular primary model.

The Perse is notable for being a 4/6 75-tonner omnimech, which generally means good tonnage overall. However, you've managed to drive it to an even more critstarved state, something that will drive all potential loadouts to an even more clinched set of choices.

If anything, it would do well if it was created as a Dark Ages clantech sniper. It's the tech level the game is universally heading to, afterall.

>>54876675
... disconnect your keyboard and go to bed already, bro.

Battlebump

>>54876122
Spectacularly underwhelming aside from the Gauss, and a complete nightmare of critical slots. Though you have almost made a Night Gyr I use.

I'm ashamed to say I wouldn't use this Perseus.

>>54876122
This man needs a copy of TRO: Perseus and Perseus Accessories, stat!

>>54869480
my local bt group call each other pilots, the filthy clanners call each other warriors

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>>54873055
>Can we have a happy thread!?
>Happy ships, mechs and things!

I can do sad. Is sad OK?

>>54880389
>Awesome doesn't feel so awesome inside.hpg

Is there a limit to how lyran you should be?

I just ran a scenario with the opfor being a completely incompetent social general (6/7 riding a Beemer) who kicked everything off by running a false flag op during the FCCW. He ran almost all Davion machines... in lyran regimental colors. The players loved it because they were able to completely out maneuver the enemy and smash them, and I loved it because I didn't have to worry about strategy besides "smash them with the heaviest mechs"

The final battle was the general in his Beemer, a Valk, an Osiris, and a Commando vs my players in heavies (and one sagittaire).

>>54880592
Lyrans are shit at strategy, not combat. Like take for example the famous Freesworder campaign in the 4th Succession War.

Guy in charge of the regiment is such a romantic that he carries the original broadsword symbol of his unit in the cockpit of his Atlas. His men are fanatically loyal and pretty damn good mechwarriors. But he winds up running recon patrol with his command lance of an Atlas, 2 Zeuses and a Thunderbolt because he's fucking bored with other people chasing Kuritans all over the place and wants some glory. Of course he gets ambushed like a retard, but the funny part is that his boys have so much armor and firepower compared to the Dracs that they actually weather it and crush the shitty light/med lance that jumped them. But that's 100% Lyran. Fucking up and hoping your armor and your guns carry you through.

The way Lyrans generally shoot themselves in the foot is doing things like moving their slow, heavily armed mechs out too far from an area to respond to something else or forcing their more mobile mechs to hold back to keep cohesion with the big boys.

If they can pin you on their terms, they'll generally fuck you. You're just supposed to be fucking up their supply dumps and stuff while they're barely making 2/3 or 3/5 to actually get to you.

>>54880820
I was the lyran. He was one of those nostalgic for the past guys who was given a company in a lyrans regiment because he was fanatically against all things Victor. He had no real experience in a mech or even in command which is why he was such a terrible pilot.

The scenario was basically 3 battles with the players doing a small amount of role play in between. Basically they played really smart and crushed his heavy Lance in the first battle, then destroyed a supply depot so that most of his assault lance was undergunned/armored.

>>54877018
The Perseus does have 7.5 tons more pod space but isn't the XL engine and unworthy trade off?

>>54879507
I was trying to go off the weapons I hear the best things said about. A gauss rifle for gausswall action, ER medium lasers because the ML is expressed as the most balanced weapon, SSRMs for crit-seaking, and LRMs for additional long range support. What went wrong?

>>54879699
please

>>54881138
ERMLs run too hot to effectively boat, SSRMs don't have alternate ammo, so they're not as good, even if you hit with the whole launcher. And That LRM-5 is piddly, LRM-15 4 lyfe.

>The Perseus does have 7.5 tons more pod space but isn't the XL engine and unworthy trade off?
It also has more crits than your variant, and the Perseus has terrible crits.

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>>54880389
>>54880500
Awesome just needs A DAMN CHAINSAW AND JUMP JETS! ALSO NOW IT BREATHES FIRE!

>>54881205
So correct the weapons?

>It also has more crits than your variant, and the Perseus has terrible crits.
Sorry, to clarify I'm going off my post here: >>54876652

SFE and standard armor, no FF. Gives 32 tons of pod space and 37 crit spaces. Better than the Perseus's 31 with crits.

Right now I'm just interested in creating the best base Perseus possible with IS tech.

>>54880592
THOMAS HOGARTH!!!!

>>54881266
God damn I love that guy. Some people bitch about him being too cartoony but he was a breath of fresh air in the grim dolorous crap that was going on at the time.

>>54881319
Poor dude got a mere "light" mech Defiance, a fugly mech that look nothing like a Battlemaster that it supposed to be based on!

>>54881266
Haha yeah, that was my inspiration. Except my commander was completely incompetent and unlucky. He was pretty much given a suicide mission.

>>54882089
Defiance is based on the Whammy. The Warlord is based on the Bmer.

It still tickles me pink that Hogarth killed two fucking Celestial mechs with MD pilots in his old AS7-D. And he's all like "It was all skill, man."

Has anyone else tried to use the Artillery cannons in MekHQ/Megamek? I wanted to give my Assault lance a bit of cleanup ability against these piles of vehicles I keep running into, so I mounted one on my Cyclops, but for some reason the Sniper Cannon I mounted only seems to hit the units in the targeted hex, not the surrounding ones. As far as I can tell from TacOps, the same hex rule should only apply to aerospace. Am I missing something?

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>>54874352
>I just don't think that having a FUCKING AWESOME group/campaign is good for the health of the franchise

>>54881319
Have you read his part in JHS:Terra? That'll give you a whole new perspective on the bumbling clod.

>>54882491
This. Anybody that actually plays knows that just getting a couple buddies together with some physical minis and some hard drinks is a good game of Battletech. Getting to watch Cincy crank it up to eleven is like watching some Guinness World record show. Just plain fun and you aren't sitting there going "Well gee, I could never cook a pizza three miles long. I'm so depressed." You're going. "FUCK YEAH, LOOK AT THAT!"

>>54882517
I need to get on that. I've not finished Terra or cover to cover-ed Final Reckoning. Last I was at was them cracking through the final lines of the Maginot Worlds.

But if I recall, that was the book where they made him do something horrible because they were pissed off that something they made as a passing joke in their srs bznss Jihad got way more popular than they expected or liked. Especially Herb hated him for some reason.

>>54868612
Hey, there, I was looking for Battletech software like Heavy Metal Maps. Does any of you have a link to it please?

>>54882583
Well I can think one reason, they actually gave him character by accident, older Battletech is full of such character that run by sheer lunacy.

Jihad is otherwise full of people like Stone, who I think has a personality of a brick and never quite figured why people followed him.

>>54882583
And also when your joke character gets more popular than the "main" hero Stone then you know you fucked up and that is why Herb disliked Hogarth.

>>54876746

The only times I saw anything negative about it was about the potentially infringing design of the Warhammer. And I can well understand why investors would shy away from the projects given how IP battles have gone before.

By not showing up, CGL accepted summary judgement in default, which means HG wins on all points. That they subsequently shitcanned a lot of Nuseen stuff (bugs, Phoeix Hawk, Warhammer mini, etc) to me speaks volumes about what they expect to happen and whether they intend to defend anything. In theory they could still reply to the suit. In practice they know they'll lose and/or can't even afford a lawyer.

>>54883300

I thought it was mostly Herb not liking so many memes in BT, and Hogarth started off as a bit of a riff on Hogan's Heroes any way. Then the memetic explosion happened and he was 100% full Steiner, son.

>>54883281
>never quite figured why people followed him
Because the PoW camp he busted out of was full of important people and people related to important people. He was their leader and those social connections got him lines to people in loads of high places around the sphere. The press then snagged upon him as a big story of fighting the good fight against the Blakists and gave him public support as well. Then the big boys saw him as an easy blank slate that they could build a Coalition around without dragging in a bunch of previous baggage. And the Nova Cats had a vision of him because why the fuck not.

Basically, Stone is a story that everybody agreed to tell each other to make a cooperative war against the Blakists work. He never had any charm or leadership, just a singleminded hatred of the Blakists and every institution of the Great Houses. And you see the results of that as soon as he's left to his own devices in 3082 and his first two proclamations are to melt down most of their Battlemechs and forcefully relocate massive swaths of the population.

What's really crazy is how many people he suckered in after the fact, the Knights and the Paladins and how after fifty years people really started to believe their own propagada about him.

I think they were kinda trying to go the Churchill angle with him of being a gruff hardass, but he had none of the eloquence or the charm.

Hey guys, haven't been around in a while. What's this about a lawsuit?

>>54883385
Well I should have added probably in my post as I don't jhave insight on what happened during Jihad, all I know is that most of Jihad characters are much more unlikable and lack of alot character previous era people had. Stone being the poster boy for the whole era and he is about as likable as a drywall.

Hell FCCW had it's problems but god damn it actually had characters that felt actual people

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>>54883002
Look harder. It's here.
>>54874352
> I just don't think that setting a very high bar for what constitutes a "good" Battletech game is good for the health of the franchise.

Okay, we need to talk.
>>54882491
>>54882542
These men have the right of it. They aren't setting the standards for a "good" game, and no-one is saying they are. Knowing that someone out there IS doing a two-hundred-a-side orbital landing fight gives you hope for the game. They're pushing the limits of what the system and the playerbase are even capable of, and it's fucking awesome.

It's not like my local is trying to hit that threshold, and no-one reasonable expects to ever hit that point, but it DOES make the guys in my local group actually push some goddamned boundaries. We did a double Level III vs. battallion game last month and we're looking at getting some heavier shit together at BTpalooza in November. People are practicing and making teams of pilots who are getting used to working as a group instead of being twitchy self-interested assholes. We're crossing faction boundaries because people who >don't like factions< are getting asked to run them as OPFOR.. and discovering they like to play the bad guys sometimes.

How can that be a bad thing? In any way?
Well, other than for the aforementioned self-interested greasy assholes who refuse to put lead on the table. But fuck them. You aren't actual BattleTech players until you pick up some dice and go..

>>54883503
Stone is the DA posterboy, but his backstory was that he was the enigmatic hero of the Jihad. Enigmatic translates like shit in a current time setting, especially without any novels like we used to have to show us windows into the secret dealings of the Inner Sphere. Everybody hates Stone and the Stoners in the DA anyhow except the people who only read like ER:3145 and FM:3145 for their knowledge of the Dark Age, so they probably didn't even put that much effort into him.

>>54883433
Didn't the Lyrans and FedSuns also join up on the melting down the battlemechs Kumbayah. Which allways sounded crazy when you have Capellans going all Xin Sheng and Draconis Combine well being Draconis Combine. And Lyrans had the bloody Clans at their doorstep.

>>54883370
For what it's worth on the official forums it was stated that they have a lawyer. And HBS isn't gonna redo they're lineup whoever keeps saying that is either trolling or fucking retarded.

>>54883686
I think that one is someone who has some hate towards Weisman, atleast the posts he puts up are allways ranting about Weisman.

>>54883604
I keep forgetting that Dark Ages came before Jihad in real life and they had iron out why things are the way they are in DA. Still think they did halfassed characterations of everyone involved in Jihad compared to other eras.

>>54883684
The Dracs actually did it too. And the Dracs shared a lot of stuff like new Spiders and Panthers with the Stoners. The Suns and the Snakes were the two biggest butt buddies of Stone behind the Bears. Lyrans actually didn't have a great relation with the Stoners, just like their relations with the Fedsuns are cold and vaguely enmitic by the DA.

Mariks and Caps of course hated the Stoners. Caps fought them for thirty years straight, and the Pidgeons would have probably too if they could have got their shit together before the 3140's. Marik took a massive hit from the Republic taking about half of their good manufacturing, including 2/3 of their Battlemech manufacturing supercomplexes. They had small forces from just not being able to make much and constantly skirmishing with their neighbors.

>>54883686

>For what it's worth on the official forums it was stated that they have a lawyer.

They may have had legal advice but they haven't got legal counsel for the case. According to the court documents they accepted summary judgement in default and didn't file a defence.

HBS and PGI have retained counsel and filed a defence.

For a matter like this, legal is going to be an issue. Resources and time they were going to spend on the game have to be spent elsewhere for a start. It also makes for a handy excuse since it seems to me that HBS have bitten off more than they can chew with the BT game, but there is a legit reason there too.

>>54883684

Could be worse, could be Dracs. Most warlike and bloodthirsty House with a penchant for deposing or disobeying anyone who suggests solutions other than indiscriminate violence at all times for all responses suddenly gets on board with military downsizing, because ???

>>54884083
>because ???

Because "Notice me, Victor sempai!"

Hohiro should have gotten the old Canopian switcheroo and taken his sister's place. Everybody would have had a happier ending.

>>54884143

That would have triggered a succession crisis if not civil war. The last remaining heir to Theo would have been Minoru, and he was a Nova Cat bondsman.

Plus aside from Uncle Chandy all the other named Kuritas we know about from the era were retards or didn't want any more power.

>>54884179
Meh, you could have stuck Constance on the throne. At least she's legit. The real Dracs are down to using bastards by the DA.

>>54884277
Talking about bastard Kuritans. Kitsune Kurita is probably the funniest one, as it fucked over Black Dragon Society for once, instead of them fucking everything at Draconis Combine.

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>>54884179
There is Franklin Sakamoto. Black Dragons failed to put him on the throne twice (during Clan invasion and Jihad), and the man himself did refused to sit on it.

>>54884453

Unless you specifically need this to be before 3060, a Streak SRM-4 weighs the same as an SRM-4 with Artemis. I'd swap to that.

I'd also either remove the LPL and upgrade the ER LL to an ER PPC with the LRM rack embiggened to a -15 or remove the ER LL, improve the LRM to a -15, and add some more short-range weapons. Or maybe swap the LB for a GR.

The Perseus was released at the same time as the ER ML and ER SL for the IS so the standard MLs could be ERs if you want.

>>54884476
It's a reference, to be honest. I'm hoping someone catches it. All very good advice though. I was short some pod space so I couldn't 100% translate said reference sadly.

>>54884496

What, to the Albatross?

I'm memed out on it. I'd rather just have a sensible, solid 'Mech.

>>54884538
Understood. I'll think before I meme next time. I was feeling goofy so I posted it. Back to serious designs then, I guess. Not that we really do customs round these parts anymore.

>>54884550

It's more just the Albatross thing. And kinda the Perseus thing.

The HA HA SOLID HEAVY meme with the Albatross has for me collapsed in upon itself and become a singularity, and CampaignAnon posts a lot of Perseuses.

Two great memes that meme well together I guess, but I'm a bit over both. Especially when the Perseus already has a number of variants that come close to being good but manage to fuck it up somehow.

Maybe it's also that I've had a bit of a shit day, since my Uni fucked up and can't find me a practicum placement I have to wait until mid-way through next year to graduate, and there's this little thing called a fucking job I was looking forward to getting in a little over two months which I can no longer do because I won't have credentials until then.

>>54884583
I know all about college fucking you over, anon. I myself had to drop out because in my final year, the final course I needed to graduate was discontinued. Forever. So I therefore had a useless courseload and bailed after five major switches finding something I enjoyed and was good at. You have my empathy.

>>54884605

This is for post-grad. Even more fun.

>>54884615
Well that fucking sucks. Just hang tight then, I guess. Not much else you can really do.

There's always robutts, I guess.

Battlebump

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One last one found in the old archives. HG can suck it.

>>54886931
Can someone please tell me what the fuck is happening and what it means for the future of BT?

>>54887160

CGL decided to ignore previous copywrite infingement agreements.

PGI decided to skirt the letter of the law with mech designs that are JUST different enough to not get sued out of existence.

Harmoony Gold is being jews and copywrite trolls to try and WAY overreach on shit that isn't even remotely connected to their actual IP.

More info on the new box set and the new sculpts in them:

>They might be new sculpts but they (besides the classics) will probably still be using the same old tired 80s art.

>Not so. The rest are getting the modernization treatment the Classics did, by Anthony Scroggins and Alex Immerzeel.

>Awesome

>Oh, how did you guess?

This set is sounding better and better. What is that confirmed now: Locust, Griffin, Awesome? Was the Shadow Hawk and/or Tbolt confirmed as well?

>>54887160

What it means for the future of BT is not much. They just have to scrap or redesign the Nuseen based on Robotech/Macross images. HG doesn't seem to be interested in pushing beyond that, probably because they know there's no point trying to squeeze blood from a stone.

It'll have more of an impact in HBS and PGI if (more than likely when, the infringement is pretty blatant and they have the old agreement to point to) they win or force an unfavourable settlement.

>>54887485
>They just have to scrap or redesign the Nuseen based on Robotech/Macross images.

lol, so once again CGL blows how many thousands of dollars and hundreds of man hours only to result in nothing?

>>54887662
My constant wtf in all of this is trying to understand CGLs legal strategy. They knew HG is lawsuit-happy, and they knew you can get dragged into a painful lawsuit even if you're in the legal right. So, they produce a set of legally distinct images that put them in the legal right, but then are totally blindsided by the inevitable lawsuit over them? How the fuck was anyone surprised here? Even in the right, did they really believe HG was going to do nothing?

>>54887662

WELL MAYBE IF YOU FAGGOTS WOULD VOLUNTEER AND DO IT FOR FREE LIKE A REAL FAN WOULD WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY SO MUCH

REMEMBER WE ARE A TINY COMPANY WITH A SMALL CASH FLOW, YOU CAN'T EXPECT NORMAL SHIT FROM US

>>54887784

The thing that fucks CGL in this is that they did Project Phoenix and produced non-infringing images that were clearly OK.

Then, years later, they decide that no, they need to go back to the 80s and try to lisence from the wrong company, which pisses HG off and gets them slapped down again.

Then they decide to produce stuff that looks as close to the 80s imagery as they can possibly get away with, in the hopes that technically correct is the best kind of correct and the lawsuit-happy company with a beef against them will be OK with it for some reason.

Just retcon everything to PP and have done with it.

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>>54887803

>>54868612
>>54869086
I feel like there's a Harmony Jewgold or Hebrew Gold joke in there somwhere.

>>54887803
Daily reminder, if you depend on volunteer work for you bottom line and you're not a charity? Your business is fucked.

Somebody repost the Marik babe please

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>>54887919

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>>54887993
These are the best of the best of pinup girls.

>>54887993
>Marik Commonwealth purple bird girl

>>54888008
>Duchy of Oriente purple bird girl

We need a Regulus one now

I need 3025 variants of the Hermes II.

What do you consider its chief flaws and how would you correct them?

>>54888085
Chief flaw of the Hermes II is using an AC/5 as a main weapon. Could have just as easily slapped in a PPC or large laser. HER-4K is nice, but only the Dracs and Rasalhague get it.

>>54888135
>HER-4K is nice, but only the Dracs and Rasalhague get it.
It's another one of those nonsensical MUL things with no basis in canon.

>>54888085

Remove AC/5, add jumpjets and medium lasers. You get a superspider.

>>54870606
>the machine spirit

By the Omnisciah!

>>54888085
Replace the AC with a LL and JJs

>>54881235
Chainsaw prothetic. Neat.

Where's the Boomstick? (Read: LBX-20)

>MFG'd By S-MECH, Shop Smart, Shopt S-Mech!

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>>54888551
That Blue Gunner guy made this a while back for that.

>>54888649
Obvious meme was obvious.

>Now where's a periphery planet full of primitive screw-heads I can dominate with it?

>>54888832
Butte Hold.

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>>54888008
I enjoy this one too.

>>54889680
Still hopin' for big ol Steiner tiddies.

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>>54889735

>>54868612
Rules for BT Customization

MAX 3 Gauss Rifles
MAX 3 PPC, HPPC, SPPC, or ERPPC
MAX 3 Large Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 Medium or Small Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 Magshot or Machines Guns (any type)
MAX 6 SRM, LRM, MRM, ATM, or MML racks

Can we all agree that these are, generally (with exceptions like the Nova excluded) acceptable design restrictions? All grognarding aside, would you prefer to have these rules in place to having no rules at all?

>>54870606
you'd need some sort of automated system in place to validate it and print out sheets.

>>54889965
Sure, as long as I can use more than one max.

>>54890032
Well obviously.

Only thing I'm not sure about is the large laser thing. I mean, i don't know many people who would pack 5 standard IS large lasers on their assaults, but it could happen.

Light PPC's count against the Medium and Small laser limit, and Plasma Rifles against the PPC limit.

>>54890067
But do rocketlaunchers count against the missile limit?

>>54890106
Absolutely.

>>54889965

Add the following and you're on to something:

MAX 0 Double Heat Sinks
MAX 0 Clan tech items
MAX 0 tons nonstandard armor

>>54889965
Rules for BT Customization

MAX 3 Gauss Rifles
MAX 3 Plasma Rifles, PPC, HPPC, SPPC, or ERPPC
MAX 3 Large Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 LPPCs, Medium, or Small Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 Magshot or Machines Guns (any type)
MAX 6 Rocket Launchers, SRM, LRM, MRM, ATM, or MML racks

>>54890139
Only for SW-era 'mechs. Otherwise you've gone full NoFunAllowed and may as well just not allow custom work.

>>54890139

>All grognarding aside

The point is you can opt to play with a more restrictive ruleset, but not less.

>>54890139
the tism is strong in this one.

>>54890142
oh, and micro lasers count against the machine gun limit.

>>54889758
Not this shit again, you daft cunt. If there's nothing battletech in the picture, then blow it outta your ass you greasy serial masturbator.

>>54890268
Did you just say Katrina Steiner has nothing to do with Battletech? How new to the game are you?

>>54890268

Steiner tits were specifically requested, and therefore provided. Fuck off.

>>54890268
>>54890279
>>54890324
What makes some random model Steinder?

Is that just her real life name?

>>54888043
>We need a Regulus one now
Literally just Suicide Squad Harley Quinn in an orange jacket.

>>54890142

Rules for BT Customization

MAX 3 Gauss Rifles
MAX 3 Plasma Rifles, PPC, HPPC, SPPC, or ERPPC
MAX 3 Large Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 LPPCs, Medium, or Small Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 Magshot, Micro-Lasers or Machines Guns (any type)
MAX 6 Rocket Launchers, SRM, LRM, MRM, ATM, or MML racks

>>54890557
oops, forgot flamers..

Rules for BT Customization

MAX 3 Gauss Rifles
MAX 3 Plasma Rifles, PPC, HPPC, SPPC, or ERPPC
MAX 3 Large Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 LPPCs, Flamers, Medium, or Small Lasers (any type)
MAX 8 Magshot, Micro-Lasers or Machines Guns (any type)
MAX 6 Rocket Launchers, SRM, LRM, MRM, ATM, or MML racks

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Lets not do this.

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Rules for BT Customization:

FUCK YOU

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>PGI says they fixed the hole in the Uziel for this patch.
>They actually just plugged it with a mesh.
>The torso still pivots along a curved line.

Sasuga, PGI!

Remember, these are the people who will drown in money on MW5 pre-orders simply because a big enough bunch of idiots exists to keep these "developers" afloat.

>>54890661
>>54890664
What? I'm done. I just forgot a few things.

>>54890683
why do you complain about a game you get to play for free?

>>54890683
speaking of which, their servers are down for maintenance.

What's attrition based warfare?

Is there a way to make a mech geared for it?

>>54890630
>Rules for BT Customization

FUCK YOU CANON DESIGNS ONLY

>>54890757
yes, they are called omni's.

>>54890757
Attrition based warfare is just grinding down the enemy faster than they can replace their losses.

Any energy-based 'mech is good for it. No ammo, no worries.

>>54890709
It's fun.

Oh, and the fact there could have been a better game in its stead. Even if I had to buy that one. All they had to do was let the game die when it turned out PGI couldn't hammer a nail without tearing down the roof.

But yeah, mostly the schadenfreude of seeing horrible developers fuck up in hilarious ways and idiots paying them excessive amounts of their hard earned money for it.

>>54890776
Maybe we ought to remove the rules for customization then?

But if MWO doesn't get better, it's sharing engine with MW5... if you are like me and don't like MMOs or online gaming at all, but love BT, I want MWO to be awesome so MW5 will be too.

Also apparently there won't be a way to play story mode with friends this saddens me.

>>54890815

Yes please. It's not any different than the old 40K vehicle design rules. They were made with fair play in mind, and immediately became a tool for every munchkin out there to make a cookie-cutter min-maxed design. If people weren't such min-maxing fucksticks, maybe we could have them, but with people being people, that's not going to happen. Get rid of all of the customization shit. The optimization game has been solved for decades anyway.

>>54890885
>MW5 will be too.

It won't be, because Harmony Gold will sue that one into oblivion too.

>>54890912
Can someone just, tell Berlusconi that his buddies in HG are talking to the police or Interpol or whatever about him?

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>>54890895
It would cut down on printing costs and remove the "bait and switch". I'm sure fans would appreciate it.

>>54890944
yeah? what are they saying?

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>>54890885
>if you are like me and don't like MMOs or online gaming at all, but love BT, I want MWO to be awesome so MW5 will be too.

So, how would you fancy your frilly uniform to look like?

>>54890993
I don't fucking know, but he's a mobster, just imply they're ratting him out on something and hope he kills a few of them.

>>54890690
Oh no, I didn't mean you with the "fuck you". Just people who express desire to customize in bv-matched tournament-style play.

>>54890994
slutty

Anyone here play megamek vs games online? I've been almost completely without ever since Mekwars: Legends diededed.

>>54891039

That's the only kind of play that matters. Battletech is a game. The purpose of a game is to win. The only sort of winning that counts is when all comers share an even playing field (such as BV levels).

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>>54891055
I'm sorry, but your wish is still far too against all semblance of logic that you simply can;t make it happen.
Wish for something else, or ask Madoka.

... you slut.

It'd be super easy to fix the blackjack. Just swap out the AC/2's for LAC/5's and add a couple extra tons of ammo.

If you wanted to get fancy you could remove a heat sink, swap out SHS for DHS, add a medium laser and call it a day.

>>54891225
LPPCs are a pretty fun alternative too. I've done one that feels like a mini Rifleman with two LAC/2s and two LPPCs. I was making lots of Blackjack variants for a while there.

>>54891225
Warhammer is pretty easy to fix too.

Add DHS, Remove MG's, MG Ammo, Exchange SL's for ML's, and add a heat sink.

>>54891312
yeah, but LAC/5's are a class C refit, LPPC's are class D. Still preferable to do it your way, especially if you are upgrading to DHS

>>54891359
I always thought that adding extra ammo bins being an 'easy' refit was strange. You have to add feed linkages and all that running through internals. But yeah, honestly they are a fun little machine to work with.

>>54891335
I like the Liao 'Hot Hammer' with flamers for anti-infantry and smoke screen usage, so for your suggestion, I'd retain a SPL or Flamer 'just in case' but I'ma whore for troopers and trooper accessories so I like my machines to be able to deal with infantry. I think it's because more people are discovering them and using them these days, especially on MegaMek.

>>54891335
Or

1) Remove 2 HS
2) Add DHS
3) Switch to Ferro
4) Add 2 tons of Armor

When is it acceptable to NOT give a Mech 90% or more (ideally 95%+) of its maximum armor-bearing capacity?

I can't think of a single good reason.

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>>54888085
Here, I made this for you.

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>>54891552
And here is a 3050s remake.

>>54890885
>it's sharing engine with MW5...
Nope. MWO runs on CryEngine, MW5 on Unreal. They share models though.

>>54891437
>I like the Liao 'Hot Hammer'
Same deal with that one

1) Remove SL's
2) Remove 1 HS
3) Switch to Ferro
4) Add 2 tons of armor

>>54891548

There isn't one. Every single design, without exception, that isn't near-max armor is irredeemable shit.

Same for XLFE designs over 60 tons.

>>54891548
When it is meant as a long range or fire support mech.

>>54891548
I always operate under the '85%' rule myself. Sometimes, especially with speedier machines, you can go lower if need be, but that's because you're maintaining defensive capability by producing high TMMs. In this case going as low as 65% armor can be acceptable, if the speed is good (7/11+). On many Lights you simply can't get enough armor anyway, so going all-out on speed and weapons is your best bet. A 3/5 Assault with less than 85% coverage is fucking up though, unless it's an AIV 'Mech or something.

>>54891552
Yeah the AC is really the Hermes II's weak point. This is a pretty good fix.

>>54891566
I'd have actually put a LPL in place of the ERLL and the MPL, myself. And an easy variation on that for later when SG ammo is a thing would be to strip the ML for a TAG.

>>54891597
>Same for XLFE designs over 60 tons.
unless it runs at 6/9

>>54891656
Not a bad suggestion. I guess I kinda got played out on putting LPLs on things since so many Bird rides get them but it would work here.

>>54891674
I dunno I think 5/8 80t and 4/6 100t 'Mechs can be fun, but they are hard to design well. Like the 3050 Charger not just being a 1A5 upgrade was a crime. All that speed and you DON'T make it a fat Hunchback? Weak.

>>54891682
I can understand that. ERLLs are Burd too though so it can really go either way. It might be interesting to mess with a LAC/5 Precision ammo version in the 3060s as a scout hunter too. AC/5 -> LAC/5, double the bins, load Precision, pull the ML, add two MPLs.

>>54891698
Naw, man, its just a waste of tonnage. Putting an XL on an assault should be a crime.

>>54891831
unless you are stuck with a charger to begin with. Then, sure, waste as many C-bills as you want. Polish that turd till it shines.

>>54891850
>>54891698
In my mind, there is a place for heavy cavalry, heavies with 5/8 or even 6/9 movement, but a 400 XL on a 80 or 100 tonner without TSM is just wrong.

>>54891729
Why do people like running IS Pulse? Its like, at 6 hexes your at medium with ML's already, so why bother?

>>54891906
9 hex charge on 80 tonner with TSM is 288 points of damage

>>54891935
-2 to hit, and the range isn't that bad when most lights have to close within medium laser/srm range to try and get at your rear.

>>54892062
but thats my point, the -2 at long range for MPLs and medium range of regular ML's at 6 hexes cancel each other out.

You have to be at least 4 hexes to receive any benefit at all.

>>54892132
I guess if you stay at exactly 4 hexes you get the benefit of SRM's and ML's being at medium range while being just out of range of peashooters, but its rare to get that kind of positioning.

>>54892132
You're ignoring the deterrent factor of being able to keep lights at a distance with the mpls. Yes, they have shorter range, but they only get more accurate as the lights try to get in. The real deal is to keep little fast buggers from getting within minimum range of PPCs, Gauss Rifles and LRMS so you can keep hammering with your big guns.

IS pulse weapons are more of an insurance policy than actual weaponry. A way to force lighter assets to position themselves the way you want them as you generally lack the speed to dictate the terms of engagement.

>>54892263
IS medium lasers are still preferable. They weigh half as, have a better heat to damage ratio, and perform just the same. Even at 1-2 hexes, you are pretty much guarantee to hit anyway, so what good does the +2 do you?

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>>54891831
I'm a repeat offender. BETTER CHARGER GO!

>>54892308
Do you play with 1/2 pilots or something? Fast lights are still damned hard to hit even at close range. -2 goes a long ways, particularly with a targeting computer to offsetting that +5 modifier a quick light or medium can get.

I'm not arguing which is better. You didn't ask which was better. You wanted to know why people run IS pulse lasers. You got your answer. If you don't like it, that's on you.

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Blitzkrieg or Hollander II?

>>54893199
Hollander is pointless when you can take a Yellowjacket or field gunners. Blitz is balls to the wall ride or die.

Not even a contest.

>>54893263
People use field guns?

>>54893199
Blitzkrieg all the way.

>>54893326
You don't?
>>54893353
This.

>>54893359
I've only ever met one person who had a field gun, just one, and he never used it in games.

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>>54893199

>>54893326
They are almost unfair for the amount of gun you can bring for the BV. They're honestly the only infantry worth taking, much more so than Battle Armor or other conventional troops.

>>54887852
If you absolutely must go there, Hebrew Gold sounds better.

>>54893422
what's the BV on an AC/5 field gun out of curiosity?

>>54891080
Specifically customization is the problem. BV balancing is good. But the moment one player brings custom mechs they're going to game the BV system, breaking the balance.
It also breaks the fluffy feel, so no customs. If you want to be a minmaxing munchkin at least stick to the munchkiny canon mechs. There are plenty.

>>54888008
What's the source for new best girl, anyway? Reverse image search gives me nothing.

>>54893598
237 and you get 3 of them. But for the exact same price, you can get 7 LAC2's or 266BV for 3 LBX5's or drop down to 83BV for Thumper artillery.

They changed the Gauss rifle stuff in the newest revision. You used to get two of them in a platoon. Now you only get one for some reason.

>>54890789
No matter how much "better" someone could have done the game (you really can't make it a lot better, just faster), the fanbase would still be utterly infested with ultra toxic haters, because the crux of the issue isn't a general idea of how the game should be, it's that every toxic player has their own idea of how it should be. There isn't consensus, and most of these people have strong feelings about wanting something that would ruin the game for others.

MWO isn't bad, it's just 5 years old and still not quite finished, when it should have been 2-3 years ago.
It's had a good run all things considered, and seems like it'll keep running for a while.

>>54893632
I have no clue either, alas. I only saved it a thread or two ago.

>>54893722
Pretty amazing what you can get for the cost of a Scorpion in BV.

>>54893632
>>54893829
Artist's name is Joongheun Lee. Also goes by KALMA.

>>54888008

Needs bigger tits. A woman isn't worth anything if she doesn't have at least healthy C-cups and preferably at least Ds. This goes double for pinup models.

Aside from that, very good job.

>>54893736
I'd argue it's bad solely for the fact they didn't even consider the consequences of weapons with perfect convergences and the size of hitboxes would have on table top values.

Hell Ghost Heat itself is like a monument to bad game design. It's sad when a bunch of modders turned in a better feeling game.

>>54894070
Plenty of the other ones I've done have ample tits. Plenty more of them will too.

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>>54890630

Nice customisation rules you got there, kid. Be a shame if anyone expoited them.

These are what I came up with in two minutes and before I even had my coffee for the morning. I'm still half-asleep. If I really wanted to break them it would be easy.

To prevent boating you need a hard cap of four weapons of any one type and four weapons that can do 8+ damage in a single hit. Otherwise you're going to get abominations.

>>54890815

They're already not in the tournament rules book (TW) or the basic rules set (new BT Manual).

>>54891597

>xlfe over 60 tons is irredeemable shit
>laughing 3050s gausswalls.jpeg
>laughing hellstar.png
>laughing dasishi.gif

>>54869480
I started playing in 5th grade in 1991,we just called ourselves nerds.

>>54894649
That's not even impressive. Any idiot can minmax with Clantech boyo. Do it in 3025.

>>54893722
>They changed the Gauss rifle stuff in the newest revision. You used to get two of them in a platoon. Now you only get one for some reason.
First I'm hearing of this. But mechanized platoons top out at 28 troopers for a tracked platoon, and two GRs need 30, so they never could bring two anyway. Motorized can go up to 30 though. But a dual gauss platoon loses a gun a soon as one dude dies anyway.

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>>54894931

...

If you know how to do it at one tech level, and not all of those were Clantech, you know how to do it at any.

>>54895306
Three PPCs and 20shs.
A sadder Crab
and a NotWarhammer
I thought you said you'd exploit the rules to make something worrying? Challenge failed sir.

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Will Mariks and Steiners ever be allies?

Will the Lyrans join the nuFWL?

>>54895348
>Will Mariks and Steiners ever be allies?

The Mariks hate the Steiners on the same level the Fedsuns hate the Dracs. It just ain't happening.

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>limits on customization
Fucking fight me. You all sound like quitters.

>>54895347

>3 PPCs that you can tape the firing buttons down on
>a tougher fire javelin
>a mobile PPC pillbox
>"challenge failed"

I take it you've never actually played 3025 then.

>>54890630
>MAX 8 Magshot
Who the fuck would actually want 8 magshots.

>>54895521
Maybe you hate infantry anon? You don't have any respect for those ground pounders do you? I bet you don't even like flamers.

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>>54895505
It really was man. Three PPCs while impressive, isn't broken. Your tougher Fire Jav lost 1/3 of its firepower, and a PPC pillbox isn't that worrying.

I think you forgot the point where your boast implied you were going to exploit the rules to make something terrifying.

What you've given is merely competent. Nice. Not amazing, but nice.

Nice doesn't win challenges Anon.

>>54895538
Magshots don't do extra damage to infantry. They're like APGRs missing almost all of what makes APGRs good.

>>54895633
They don't? well my funny failed. I was thinking APGR anyway.

>>54895521
They're pretty good for their weight. Mguns that can reach nine hexes aren't bad, still half a ton too.

>>54895633
>>54895666
>>54895682

Goddamnit, I keep forgetting magshots aren't APGRs, but are instead their special cousin.

Yeah, APGRs are great, magshots are lame.

>>54895348
Assuming Steiners are blondes and Mariks are brunettes. Does this make Davions redheads and Liaos/Kuritas black hair?

>>54894649
Not that bad actually.

>>54895772
Well canonically House Davion is known for being one of redheads (I believe the auburn shade specifically).

>>54895306
7 mediums is only 35 damage, and typically less than half of those are going to hit. Not any worse than getting hit by Dual LRM 20's. You still can't hit shit till your at 6 hexes.

>>54894649
Honestly? Those builds are good, but they aren't broken. I'd play somebody with that if I could use my customs as well.

Besides, look at their BV. For the same cost you could field an entire lance.

>>54895620

You don't seem to understand what breaks the 3025 combat experience.

In 3025, energy zombies are a fucking horror to deal with. Are they as scary as a Hellstar or whatever in later eras? No. But the era makes all the difference. Any optomised ride in 3025 is going to be an energy boat with slabs of armour.

>>54895842

The MLs on those are just there to make sure everyone stays out of the bubble of doom and submits to the cleansing power of PPCs.

Speaking of optimized shit, anyone have the pics of that "hyper-attrition warfare" 100 ton SRM boat that retard on the OF made?

>>54895981
Was that the super heavy quad? He literally planned for you to run out of ammo or over heat.
That was fucking amazing.

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>>54895981
Your horrible wish has been granted.

>>54895981
>>54896010

Threadly reminder that said retard still tore Alex Knight a new one with those.

>>54895955
You sound like you scare easy. They're tough, but not OP. Again you fail to live up to your bragging.

>>54896053

>i still don't understand what gets results in 3025

It's OK, anon. You'll learn.

>>54896013
This fluff made my day.

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>>54895981
not your request but I've made a horrible mech

what should I name it?

>>54896132

Annihilator.

>>54896029
>Threadly reminder that said retard still tore Alex Knight a new one with those.
Well, yes. But I've also successfully pushed one of Loren Coleman's mechs off the board while we were goofing around demoing at PAX because he "forgot that Push and Charge rules were in TW".

>>54895955
Those are great 3025 mechs.
But what does it say on the box, friendo?
It says, "Introductory".

>>54896132
double double with cheese

>>54896188

I.. what?

Introductory tech is 3025.

Tournament is 3050+.

>>54896178

Knight had the MD half of the Opacus Ventori with all their skills and implants. He still got schooled.

>>54896132
Seems pretty lightly armored for a 100 tonner.

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>>54895955
Energy Zombies all really start to look the same too in 3025 with relatively little variation. Munckins in 1986 basically just had a small handful of designs.

>>54896344
Pbbt
Thats nothin'
Try Running Quad (C)UAC/20's

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>>54896437
>Clans in 1986

Besides, if we're upping the tech level, we need to start thinking about the next generation of retarded.
>tfw there's not one more crit left in the arm to stack AES on this exploding mook

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Guys, guys? Can't we get even more ridiculous?

>>54896517
How did you get the 2 jump? Mechanical jump boosters?

>>54896517
ack, fuck god dammit, what the hell?

>>54896532
I used improved JJs.
>>54896541
Isn't it a bit of terrific? I'd never use it except as a joke.

>>54896550
Why not take 4 Gauss Rifles and 4 ERPPCs?

>>54896569
Ammo runs out eventually.
>>54896517
My question is why no PPC capacitors for some real 'fuck you'?

>>54896569
Quad HAG40's?

>>54896569
I have no idea how the hell that would fit honestly.
>>54896824
That- I didn't think of. I think you could get away with only five CERPPCs, and a cappy with each one, but it would overheat pretty badly I think. Crit spaces and DHSs are a pain when I try that.

>>54896872
CERPPCs with a Cap would be worth it, I think. Only put caps on half of them and alternate fire with the uncapcitor-equipped ones.

Force them PSRs hard.

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>>54896953
Best I could do.

>>54897024
100 damage alpha at ERPPC ranges is nothing to sneer at anon. Firing every other turn gives you plenty of time to cool down too. With no ammo aboard, you could probably just drop some HS for an additional ERPPC and cap

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Why the 5 TAG systems?
I'm glad you asked.
(Ride of the Valkaries as five wings of ARROW IV yellow jackets fly overhead)

>>54897252
Remove a HAG and It could have docking stations for the yellow jackets to reload. That'd be pretty fucking cool.

Rate my Nutech

Compact Ammo Bins
Can carry 2 tons of ammo for only 1 crit. Double Ammo Explosions Damage and feed jams for 1 turn on a crit fail to hit.

>>54897252
Swap those HAG 40's for HAG 30's, Jam a couple of C3 Masters with TAG so it can command an entire air company, add a couple of 10 ton external 'Docking Clamps' with 5 tons of Arrow IV ammo each... what do you think?

>>54897252
I think you can't target TAGs at multiple targets a turn?

>>54898249
Why not? Doesn't a Oversized Mech have the option of having more than 1 gunner?

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>>54868612

So I took out 2 HAG 40's, Added 4 Streak LRM 15's, 10 tons of ammo for the HAGs and 6 tons of ammo for the lurms.

I added a C3i to represent the ability to network and track 5 TAG's at once, and a separate turret to each shoulder. (Would have added a head turret and mounted the TAG on it but head turret was acting glitchy)

I also added 2 10 ton cargo containers to represent its retractable docking clamps and loading bays.

Each contains 5 tons worth of ammo, which it can load HAG and SLRM ammo into the mech from cargo helicopters, as well as store munitions to load into friendly Arrow IV Yellow Jackets.

I'm taking some liberties with crits and a bit of license with the targeting system, but I think the rule of cool makes up for it.

>>54898987
Who wants to name it?

>>54898987
It comes with a standard complement of 5 Arrow IV yellowjackets and is followed by lurmboat vees running semi guided munitions.

It is usually accompanied by 3 Companies, forward scouting company to pick targets, a guard contingent, and a rear guard to protect the lurm boats.

ahhhh, sweet, sweet spergers. thats the stuff

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>Was going to build a kickass sky fortress
>Air Mobile Structures may not be armed or armored

Fucking BULLSHIT!

>>54899166

That makes Don Carnage very sad.

>>54899166
hey man, you do you. ignore the rules. If there are no rules for mounting weapons, why not treat it like a fortification?

>>54899054
I removed some armor and added 2 Laser AMS. That will be its weakness. That and the loading bays.

So when they attack, they will jam the laser AMS open so that it can't shut down, then attack one of the loading bays while its open, which will destroy the feed linkages for that side of the mech.

>>54899261
Baloo's got that crazy look in his eyes again..

>>54899264
There are rules.The rules say no weapon that weighs greater than .25 tons, half the CF of a Fortress class, and no fun er... armor allowed. You can make flying hangars for fighters but you can't make the thing tough enough to use as a proper carrier or give it any kind of air defense guns.

But now that I got thinking, maybe I can get around part of it. You can make infantry transport bays with doors where you want. Maybe I can station Field Gunners in them or on the roof.

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I AM THE KING OF BUILD TROLLS!!
ALL BOW BEFORE MY SUPERIOR BATTLETECH KNOWLEDGE AND MACHISMO!!

Oh man, my 'tism...
I think I have an erection

>>54899412
>>54899387
yeah, just mount a platform for mechs to stand on and shoot. like battlesuits on omnis except mechs instead of battlesuits and fortresses instead of omnis.

I realized something even better. I think a Landing Deck on a maxed out Flying Fortress can carry a Rattler. I'll just park one of those on the roof. I think I'll name it Fiddler. Time to start crunching numbers.

>>54899566
Hardened Flying Hangar I mean.

>>54898339

Rules is rules, anon.

>>54898249

I think you can try to multiply TAG a single enemy though.

>>54898997
Hecatoncheir, for the hundred handed monstrous giants of Greek Mythology

From Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecatoncheires

The Hecatoncheires[note 1] (stress on the third syllable;[1][2] singular: Hecatoncheir /ˈhɛkəˌtɒŋkər/; Greek: Ἑkατόγχειρες Hekatoncheires "Hundred-Handed Ones"), also called the Centimanes[citation needed] /ˈsɛntᵻˌmeJnz/ (Latin: Centimani) or Hundred-Handers, were figures in an archaic stage[clarification needed] of Greek mythology, three giants of incredible strength and ferocity that surpassed all of the Titans, whom they helped overthrow. Their name derives from the Greek ἑkατόν (hekaton, "hundred") and χείρ (cheir, "hand"), "each of them having a hundred hands and fifty heads" (Bibliotheca 1.1). Hesiod's Theogony (624, 639, 714, 734–35) reports that the three Hecatoncheires became the guards of the gates of Tartarus. The Hundred-Handed-Ones are "giants" of great storms and hurricanes.

Now, who wants to Art it?

>>54894208
True. All PGI would have to do is add a scatter mechanic that throws your shots off worse based on your own movement and distance, like... any other shooter. It would insta-nerf poptart builds and allow for reductions in both quirks and burntimes, on top of other things.

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>>54899751
Bueno...

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>>54899764
you mean like this?

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>>54899566
>>54899576

So after calculating some stuff, I found out not only can I park two Rattlers on the roof of a 20 hex 14 level fusion powered Star League magic flying carrier, I can also have a single dropship collar to replace one of them as a DS pad with full lockdown to the ship, including single collar PWS

AND still have enough tonnage left over for like 36+ aero bays and crew quarters.

Now to figure out how to work this thing into a campaign.

>>54900012
Have it be the air network tactical defense system on a moonless planet. It flies in low orbit, coordinates ground defenses, scrambles aerospace from hidden bunkers bellow.

It projects force over half the planet, so dropships can only land in the tail end of a relatively small landmass.

Make it part of an aerospace campaign.

>>54900012
Don't forget to include an HPG Uplink.

>>54899858
Yeah, that's the status quo in MWO. Doesn't quite fit with the dicerolling Mad Max in space that it BT, does it? A tank with such precise targeting and suspension could pretty reliably headshot a 'mech at the usual BT combat ranges.

>>54900012
What if we combined my supermech with your fortress? So we have one team on the ground trying to get air support and subvert the sky fortress defenses, leapfrogging from base to base on the ground, while your dropship takes on a special taskforce that tries to intercept ground forces..

>>54900068
>Make it part of an aerospace campaign.

I have a buddy that would love that. We're like the only two people I know that actually play aerospace in real life sometimes. Newtonian movement rules though. Can't stand the regular stuff.

>>54900109
its still pretty random.

All i'm saying is that the programmers put in a lot of programming work into gyro stabilizing the guns, programming convergent weapons, offsetting for your own velocity, all that other good stuff you see in Tribes.

>>54900134
Would definitely be cool to have the dropship be the only way to convey some kind of special forces mech team usually based on the sky fortress, with the Rattler as a mid-boss battle that can be dropped off if you land the fortress and a whole ton of airpower as backup.

Could even use some of the cruddier small SL LAM's as mooks. You can launch them from ASF bays just the same as real aerospace fighters. The PC's would be all "Where's my LBX, where's my artillery, where's the god damned air support!"

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>>54895705
Magshot is an SRM1 with smaller explosions. Also if you hate infantry, check out the Popcorn Crossbow - it's got eight APGRs in each arm and is just dying to kill its pilot from tiny ammo explosions.

Meanwhile, remaking a repost of mine from a few threads ago, pretty much ultimate zombie as far as I can go. And more than a little fucked up. Double points for keeping arms and hands so it can punchinate shit when it's not pissing lightning from its gigantic fourbarreled ERPPCock.

>>54900240
>>54900243
this so awesome. I feel like i'm a little kid right now. We built something.
Together.

>>54900243
That would loathesome to fight.

>>54900243
>fourbarreled ERPPCock.
why you gotta make things weird?

>>54900430
boner.jpg

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