EDH/Commander General /edhg/

>>54816606
I run Cathar's Crusade in Ghave... along with Oketra's monument, the standard Ghave Infinites, and stuff with a fuckton of other triggered abilities.

If you don't see the problem already I'm more than happy to explain.

>>54816631
Tokens and Cathar's Crusade alone are already headaches. It's one of the few times I'd actually prefer to play on MTGO....

>>54816643
Now let's pile on fun stuff like Butcher of Malakir, Blood Artist, token doublers, counter doublers, and my personal favorite, Smothering Abomination.

>>54816718
Oh god no

>>54816606
If one more faggot tries to that Humility + Opalescence + Fucking anything else I will reach across the table and smack them.

>>54816643
>the guy in your play group who won't stop using Cathar's Crusade with Avenger of Zendikar and Trostani/Angel's Chorus

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Fuck the thread question, better question incoming:

They confirmed that going forward all commander precons will be based on yearly themes rather than colors.

Now that we've done Tribal, what themes do you expect in upcoming years?

>>54816727
Ayup. I have to be careful not to deck myself with Abomination.

Standard strategy is to build an army or build a Fatty, then give everything Trample for the win. However if I manage to get an infinite down, I try and infinite on something, whether it's tokens, Blood Artist Lifedrain, Abomination "My library is my hand size now," Malakir Board Wipe, or best of all, infinite on tokens and mana and cast Craterhoof.

I'll tell ya, infinites are cheap, but being able to say I swing with three creatures at three opponents with 100,000 Power/Toughness each is incredibly satisfying.

Plus, everyone knows about Utopia Mycon, and Ashnod's Altar at this point. My real trouble is, at this point, managing to avoid being targeted, or deflecting Ghave-hate.

Just got an Asceticism in the deck too. Can't wait for my next chance to play.

>>54816822
I just hope we never get to the year of the voltron.

>>54816822

I'm hoping for planar decks.

>>54816857
I would buy the fuggo out of a Lorwyn deck, but it seems like it would be hard to capture the spirit of most planes without going five color, or making like twice as many new cards as usual so you can actually have a unified strategy rather than just a bunch of random cards from the same plane.

>>54816822
I'm hoping for Year of the Wedges, where we get commanders that exemplify each aspect of their color.

Basically something that does for Wedges what Ravnica does for Dual-colors.

Also, More Gods. Year of the Gods would be awesome, if only to get a Golgari God that wasn't Pharika.

>>54816871
A WG Lorwyn deck would work pretty well to get the basic flavor of the plane. Then they could do a UB Shadowmoor deck.

>>54816822
A year where each deck is build around a single mechanic/pair of synergizing mechanics like a deck around flashback/retrace, another around dash et cetera

>>54816825
Sounds like you just built your Ghave deck and are having way too much fun. What's your average CMC? Mine is like 2.9, but the deck is all about comboing off and stopping other people from comboing off.

You running Crystaline Crawler? With a counter doubler out there, it's like a backup ashnods, but better because it makes coloured mana. My other favorite spicy tech is running Altar of the Brood and decking a table with sustainable loops. I find actually going infinite and winning with that is a little boring, but loops into other things aren't THAT bad.

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Novice here.
If I bounce Kess (with Deadeye Navigator, for example), would I get to cast a new card from my graveyard? Or does she always keep track of the number of cards I've cast so far?

>>54816924
You would get to cast a new one.

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Why is mommy not included in the dragon precon? ;_;

>>54816932
Neat, thanks.

>>54816972
She might as well be, we don't know the full lists yet

>>54816919
Average CMC tends to be around 3-4.

I run Overwhelming Splendor and Cruel Reality for the complete shutdown they can provide.

I don't currently run Crawler... I'll have to grab one. Utopia Mycon though, It's the same deal.

You have a Reyhan in the deck? Corpsejack/Primal Vigor with Reyhan on the field, get everything to have a couple +1/+1, then when you attack, you use Ghave to sack your blocked attackers and use Reyhan to transfer, then double all those tokens onto your unblocked attacker.

Suddenly they're being hit with a 46/46 saproling they decided not to block.

>>54816972
Triple red might have something to do with it. Devour having bad synergy with overall expensive tribal creatures might as well.

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>>54816983
But pic related is already included, and im think its only the 3 Generals plus one mythic for every precon.

>>54816989
>>54816919
You guys have your decklists handy?

>>54816606

Banding is still legal right? Never seen it show up in my local EDH games.

>>54816990
I think the Red does not Matter, but what you say about devour ist right. But all the dragon etbs from mommy would fit the deck.

>>54817001
Nope, mine on TappedOut is in need of a severe update.

Kavu Predator though. Having one of those is great. You either prevent lifegain until they destroy him, or he gets huge. Surprising how often lifegain triggers in EDH.

>>54817012
I am not talking about the legendary creatures. I am talking about that every deck will have probably only 4 Mythics, and unless Broodmother is printed as a Rare, we will probably not see her.

>>54817001
Of course I do:

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/super-spores-1/

The list I run right now is moderately different, but this is the general gist of what I want to do. If you take out the crypt, the verdant catacombs, the marsh flats, and the demonic tutor, I'm pretty sure you can build this deck for like $100.

>>54816606
People get confused by Eye of the Storm.

Which is to be expected, but I do try to explain literally every step of what I'm doing.

It isn't chaos either, it is part of the spellslinger thing since it counts as multiple casts and goes crazy with Knowledge Exploitation.

>>54817011
Banding has become obscure as fuck. Most people, even after reading rules, still don't know exactly how it works and if it's good or not.

>>54816892
I would literally break into Maro's house and destroy his treasured original Roseanne scripts if they ever dared to make a Lorwyn deck without Faeries.

>>54817022
I play Karlof so kavu predator makes me rage internaly

>>54817034
Looks solid. Btw. have you considered Ready & Willing? I had some success running it in Anafenza

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>>54817046
Honestly, that's just because it is wordy as fuck and is technically two different effects.

I built Geist of Saint Traft banding. It was surprisingly fun.

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>>54817049
>his treasured original Roseanne scripts
You monster! I would have settled for his autographed copy of A Handmaiden's Tale, but then this psycho takes it to a whole different level.

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>>54816972
>tfw being poor, but I dont want to buy the cheap Promo because its ugly as fuck.

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>>54816822
I want more useful goblins for my spell slinging deck and treefolk
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/goblin-parade-1/

>>54816606
>How do YOU give folks headaches with weird rules, /edhg/?
trying to explain to people how sequencing works
like with dying triggers and boardwipes
holy fuck people can be so stupid

>>54816822
Timmy, Johnny, spike, vorthos
Aggro, combo, control
Goblins, elves, merfolk, rats, spirits
Knights, clerics, wizards, shamans,
Shard sets based on fused alara, so jund with BR reanimated a la Grixis, Bant with size matters a la Naya, etc.

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>>54817034
>>54817061
Oh hey, you guys should grab Lumberknot. All the counters you would get off having a Lambholt on the field, but with Hexproof. Lambholt may be win-con, but having an untouchable counter stack is pretty sweet.

Also Thunderfoot Baloth. Everything has +2/+2 and tramole with Ghave on the field. That's a win-con right there, a more permanent Overrun.

>>54817061
>Ready & Willing
>Instant
Oh, so it's like a second Vault of the Archangel with indestructible attached. Neat, I can probably run that.

In my current list, I took out most of the spot removal, like Abrupt Decay, along with some of the shittier things like Rishkar and Yaheeni, then threw in a bunch of reanimator. If you look closely at my deck, you'll notice that nothing has more than 2 pips, other than Ghave, because I had a really budget mana base. Now the idea is that unless someone exiles my combo pieces, I have reliable ways to get them back late game, particularly since most are cheap creatures. The other thing I upgraded were a few money cards like Doubling Season, and the results have been discouraging. It's good, really good, but as soon as someone sees you drop doubling season t3 the game is now archenemy.

I'm actually debating dismantling the whole thing, and using it as a shell for a Ramos +1/+1 counter deck that feeds into valuetown combos. You get Doubling Season

>>54817171
Do you run Triumph of the Hordes or Pathbreaker Ibex? One of the easier things to do is set up a loop where you can dump a bunch of tokens into something like carrion feeder, then slap down triumph of the hordes/ibex to oneshot a table. Lumberknot looks worth a slot, specifically for the combo potential of the +1/+1 counters, and that they proc when my opponent's things die.

>>54817011
It is legal but it sucks so no one uses it.

why is the wizards deck so pushed?

>>54817196
>accidentally backspaced half my post
Just fuck my shit right up.

Anyways, with Ramos you slap ten counters on him, shit out 10 mana really fucking quickly, using that mana to power whatever wincon you're thinking about running. I'm still working on some of the details, but it looks like it could be really good.

>>54816606
>How do YOU give folks headaches with weird rules, /edhg/?
no because in not a fag

>>54817230
>Ramos
You will probably have to throw some money in directio of the mana base thou

And yeah I see your point about doubling season. You have to combo off right then and there or you are dead

>>54817227
In a stroke of genius, the project leader decided each deck would be created by a different person.

So the quality and power are all over the place this year.

>>54817227
>cats are obviously aggro, lets give them simple, clean ETB abilities and buff power
>Dragons need to be flavorful and big! They can have some neat effects but nothing too complicated
>What else can we do with Vampires? Let's just make a token deck.
>Wizards obviously need the most INT abilities, give them tons of recursion and infinites
>This. This is good.

>>54816688
When the Ixalan rare sheet leaked people got a glimpse at a card named "Jace, ___ Castaway," with a typeline "Legendary Planeswalker - Jace" (iirc) and concluded that the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule, which prevents you from controlling multiple Jaces at once, but is a different rule from the Legends Rule, was being errata'd into the same rule as the Legends Rule. Of course, this change would mean that a Mirror Gallery on the field allows you to have as many Jaces as you want. The price spiked in anticipation and has yet to settle, despite, in my opinion, the much more likely explanation.

You see, the new Jace appears to have an ultimate that makes two non-Legendary copies of himself. (Aside, this fits with Jace's backup plan of switching to illusions in case his telepathy doesn't work. Since Bolas messed with his mind it'd make sense to make illusions.) So if our new Jace has a clause that gets him around the Planeswalker Uniqueness Rule, then you can control Jace and his copies. But if they want you to be able to do that, but still not control multiple of the actual card, then the Legend Rule will prevent that.

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Guys, if I tap a creature to use its ability (something like, tap _ lands to scry _ cards) and someone uses an instant removal on my creature, do I still get to use the creature's ability?

>>54817278
I love vampires, but damn did they get shafted. We even lost out on a 4th legendary vampire just so that we could get two Taigams.

>>54817270
Oh, that's the genius part. He doesn't need coloured mana to cast him, so you can just run him as an Abzan commander with a massive upside. Shit out some +1/+1 counters in a variety of Abzan ways, pop five off, then you have 10 mana for any artifact shenanigans you might be up to. You get 6 coloured mana to rock whatever you want in Abzan colours and that seems like enough to get up to some shit.

>>54817309
Yes, once you've tapped then its ability is on the stack and resolves even if it's not on the field.

>>54817322
>two Taigams.
One of with is eh

>>54817066
Now you cant just say something like that and not post a decklist.

>>54817322
>>54817278
I wonder who designed these decks. Did they not look at the Vampire deck and think maybe it was a little underpowered compared to some of the other new cards?

>>54817328
Yeah I though about that after I posted. So unless you plan to run some heavy combos outside of abzan colors you might be fine without shelling out on lands outside of that color range.

So what is the current plan outside of obvious stuff like Door to nothingness(if you are going to run those)

>>54817354
Granddaddy Markov with haste is fucking nasty, and not to mention he automatically provides fuel for you grave pacts.

>>54816999
She could be a rare. Rarity in Commander sets is kind of arbitrary

>>54817335
Happy Taigam is a bit overcosted, but honestly think that I'll give him a try at some point in the future, using him as a Dredge/Delve commander with some decent removal stapled on.

>>54817354
Unless they include some more in-demand reprints like Exquisite Blood and Bloodcheif Ascension, it's going to be this year's dud.

>>54816972
In fatty dragon tribal ramp deck thing Broodmother functionally just shits out a 1/1 per turn while ignoring the devour mechanic completely in most situations.
I can see why they wouldn't include it as it's designed to be the top end of the foodchain with goblins and other fodder below it.

>>54817365
If you have any cheap repeatable blink effect he can go infinite fairly easily thanks to it getting around the 1/turn limit, and fist of suns means you can cheat out 2 really expensive cards per activation.

>>54817375
Nirkana Revenant reprint pls

>>54817329

my friend BTFO

>>54817373
He's a solid UB control commander for a casual setting, and I actually like the card.
I just don't get why they focused so much on him? Couldn't they have made some sort of creepy Tarkir vampire legend? Or preferably a Sengir legend?

>>54817274
It's the real new playgroup experience then.

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>>54817373
Your post smells like the guy who suggested Taigam in legacy. I'm here to laugh at you for a second round.

>>54817398
I can dig it.

Eh now I'm tempted to build either ghave or ramos. On the other hand Godfather Markov and Mathas also cought my eye among the previews

>>54817436
Gratz man.

>>54817446
I'm tempted by the wizards one because I can see some shenanigans in it, although dragons is a close second, largely because of ramos.

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daily reminder

>>54817424
They probably wanted something out of Tarkir. Didn't want to go obvious way with some dragon or khan so this was the only guy they were left with.

I for one would enjoy if one of the wizard deck legends was also vampire so you could mix and match those. Or even build grixis vampires instead of mardu ones

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>>54817350
It was a super rough draft with way too many redundant theme cards. I never made it in paper and it isn't on tappedout yet.

I'm at work and busy later, so it'll be a while before I get it to you.

>>54817365
Stax.

He makes 10 mana EACH turn. If you can lock people out, he just shits value, then lets you play at full speed while people are trying to escape your lock. It struck me as one of the most asymmetrical effects I've seen because it's enough mana to let you cast world-breaking bombs each turn.You can even use the mana and flash to combo off on other people's turns, which is especially dickish if they can't respond because they have no mana.

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Post obscure reserved list EDH playables

>>54817465
>he's not Caging Razzle Dazzle.
I want Mairsil the Jankman to be my friend.

>>54817513
>$150 card is obscure

>>54817513
For creature from days of yore this is a solid card

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>>54817513
Ah, the days when templating was nonexistent and every rules interaction had to be spelled out on the cards. Pic unrelated.

>>54817537
Just because it's on reserved list, like Hazezon

>>54817548
I think I understand Chains, then I read it and it's like I'm 10 looking at my older brother's collection with confusion all over again.

>>54817561
How's it confusing.
>1B
>fucks everyone out of everything
>make your table groan when it comes down

>>54817548
>>54817548
Holy shit, I remember the first time I saw that card.

>buddy plays it in his mono black Drana deck
>I read it
>then read it again
>then read it a third time before asking him what it does
>looked at my hand filled with draw spells
>immediately scooped t2

>>54817548
Damn I'd love a copy of that card but it is just too pricey to justify.

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>>54817548
This card actually came to mind when I saw the UB Taigam. All sorts of draw punishers, other stuff that skips draw step for some benefit, "look at top X put Y into hand" effects to get around drawing and small bit of graveyard synergy.

That or stuff it into Damia goodstuff.

>>54817609
Ehh, it's not that bad. Just turns drawing into discard->drawing. Selection is still there without card advantage.

>>54817227
All of the decks are similarly pushed with the exception of the Jeleva-killer. I think that one is simply a very lazy design that will be the best cEDH grixis general. It's boring as heck though and won't be a problem outside cEDH.

>>54817657
Now I agree, it's not always that bad, but seeing that t2 against a discard deck when I'm playing Jori-En artifact cantrips is pretty backbreaking. It's not like herp derp atraxa doubling season superfriends. Do you really think someone who can afford to play it sin't going to build around it?

>>54817354
>Did they not look at the Vampire deck and think maybe it was a little underpowered

Probably, but then they saw the RW in the color scheme and made them all even worse.

>>54817657
A T1 Chains into a T2 Nath (and let's be honest, if you're buying Chains you can afford Lotus Petal, Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, and Mox Opal), is absolutely devastating to a lot of decks.

>>54817295
Except the other two Planeswalkers are legendary as well retard.

>>54817322
There absolutely should have been another new legend in the Vamp deck.

>>54817354
It's probably not underpowered. Edgar is a powerful general even if you find him simple and boring. Skullclamp, grave pacts, white for removal, the deck can be built very strong. The lifegain vampire is legit too but not as strong and the brand legend is a political option to Queen Marchesa.

>>54817729
I feel a great disturbance in the leylines, as if millions of blue players cried out in terror and then were suddenly silenced.

>>54817719
>"Yeah, you can gain life, cast her, pay a bunch of life, and swing in to gain it back!"
>"Hold on now, is that a Red White?"
>"Y-yeah?"
>"Take off the haste if under half your starting life, once per turn at sorcery speed."

>>54817537
Have you EVER seen a real Guardian Beast played against you in EDH?

He is pretty obscure.

>>54817782
By your logic Black Lotus is obscure as well.

>>54817197
>mfw i have a Tolsimir Woldblood deck whos focus is banding and legendary tribal

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>>54817778
Uniroinically this

>"Take off the haste"
>"B-but sir she's seven mana.."
>"EIGHT MANA, AND NO HASTE, AND ONLY ONCE PER TUN that will teach my wife to cheat on me with a Boros faggot...."

>>54817821
It's banned in EDH. Timetwister is the expensive, legal, well known card.

>>54817844
I'm actually going to ask my playgroup if I can make those changes, Haste if under 20 life, can activate 3 times per turn at instant speed.

>>54817916
That even makes sense thematically, since she's being driven combat crazy by bloodlust. Or even once a turn once the half life condition is met if you have trouble selling 9 instant speed +1/+1 counters

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>>54817513
Obscure you say? It's mildly playable too.

>>54817844
>AND ONLY ONCE PER TUN that will teach my wife to cheat on me with a Boros faggot....
Got a chuckle out of me

When are we going to find out what reprints are in the pre-constructs? Do we have to wait until next week?

>>54818036
It's friday and all the new cards are spoiled so I'm thinking the lists will come today.

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Equal parts excited and terrified.

>Excited for
>Mathas
A fun mid-to-low power politics commander on its own, even better that I can slot it directly into my current Queen Marchesa build and have it fit perfectly. Actually, I'm mad it's a 3/3, since that does shut it out from the recursion options I built that deck around, but still.
>Mirri
A pretty excellent combat commander that fits well with the equipment shenanigans and pump built into the precon. I love cheap CMC, decent commanders, and this is one.
>Mairsil
One of these fucking days, we're going to get a card like Mimeoplasm that can actually be more than one card at once. Until then, this is as close as it gets, and even though it's only activated abilities, I'll take it. Also, those things persist, so fun ensues as a commander.

>Terrified
>Inalla
I'm not sure how degenerate the pool of wizards get, but I do know that cloning for 1 is scary as hell. The precon seems to be themed around activated abilities- ergo, play the creature, clone it, activate its effect that turn- but I know there's better and scarier shit you can do with this.
>Kess
She's not going to be banned because she's not that good, but she's still way too fucking good. Maybe the limit on one card per turn will keep her from being Yawgmoth's Will, but there's already people finding ways around it. Grixis Wizards is gonna be the new Atraxa, where everyone and their dog is running it and a few people have insanely good brews, and it'll end up warping this year's overall metagames and drawing hate on sight.
>Stalking Leonin
Not a problem irl, but I do a lot of brewing online and this is going to cause so much shit-flinging.

>>54817961
The thing is she embodies to me a mix of Rakdos Suicide and Orzhov Lifegain, which seems so perfect for a Mardu card. If they insist then I'll play her vanilla, but I hope they'll allow for some balance tweaks.

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>>54818036
Apparantly the plebs at the Command Zone are already showing gameplay of the decks before any list got online.

Fitting, as the powerlevel of their usual decks is on par with intro ones.

>>54818051

All righty, I hope so. I know it probably sounds weird but I'm more interested to see what gets reprinted vs. any of the new cards.

>>54817844
Her cost reduction could have been so much worse, though. If it wasn't harder to write "-1 to cost each time you gain life this turn", we would have had even -shittier- restrictions. She's... not fine, not fine at all, but it could be worse.

Wizards: Tryhards
Dragons: Casuals
Vampires: Casuals
Cats: ???

Is anyone even getting the cat deck besides me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vla4I0jCc

>>54818076
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2vla4I0jCc

>>54818061
Good post but I disagree about grixis wizards. Atraxa had more appeal with her being a Phyrexian that synergizes with infect and planeswalkers, both very popular casual themes. Wizards aren't as simple or popular and their older cards are not exciting to as many current players.

My first plan for Inala is going to be have a theme of bounce+discard and try to use Sire of Insanity and similar cards to full effect by sacrificing blue's instants and focusing on wizards that can counter or redirect spells from the battlefield. Sire of Insanity + the new big wizard that taps to bounce nonlands will be savage.

>>54818067
I think we feel the same way about her anon; there really hasn't been a life matters Mardu general, just reanimator and board wipes. It means you have to build a new kind of deck around her rather than just slot her into one, but damn did they really gimp her without flying or haste. I mean EIGHT MANA for the first cast you either need a reliable amount of lifelink creatures or trash like Sunspring Expedition or Rest for the Weary

>>54818181
holy shit

>>54818162
>Wizards: Tryhards
>Dragons: Edgelords
>Vampires: Emos
>Cats: Casuals

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Novice here. I was browsing cards for a potential Kess deck and I noticed this.

If you don't have any cards in hand, you can still choose to copy this spell, right?

>finally got friends into MTG after several years
>one immediately spends thousands of dollars on it and throws a fit like a toddler every time he loses
>one takes at least five minutes a turn to think about everything, even if all they do is drop a land
>one thinks everything in the game except what he is playing is unfair and unfun. Counter his spell? He takes it personally. Wrath the board? You're playing the game wrong and he's going to laboriously tell you how wrong you are and that you should shuffle better and how he could singlehandedly fix this game by removing such cards
>can't even call them on any of this bullshit without damaging our real friendships

This was a terrible, terrible mistake.

Decklists are out

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2017-edition-decklists-2017-08-11

>>54817844
>>54818094
I actually really like her.
I run a Ruhan of the FUN deck that basically revolves around dropping a shit ton of enchantments and bouncing him as much as possible so I can keep swinging with a 9/9 haste lifelink doublestrike vigilance.
It's great when it works but can be pretty limited at times.
Licia is already designed to be somewhat slower so I can focus on establishing a board before dropping her and the pillowforting with tons of lifegain and protection. I can see her being like a casual combat oriented Oloro.

>>54818185

Do ppl actually watch this for 45mins? God i hate my hobby

>>54818213

that's the fun part, yes.

>>54818226
anon's wishes came true, Havengul Lich reprint on Wizard deck.

>>54818181
>>54818185
>"And today I'm going to be playing the CAT tribe! Meow!"
No guy should ever do that.

>>54818226
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2017-edition-decklists-2017-08-11

glad i didn't preorder

>>54818087
I preordered the decks so any more Chromatic Lanterns and other $5-10 utility cards will be really welcome. I appreciate the budget dual lands like the core set ones and pain lands too.

>>54818226
>>54818251
Mirari's Wake reprint in the Cat deck is nice, didn't see anything else out of the ordinary tho

>>54818229
She'll be pretty fun with Darksteel Plate, Champions Helm and Glistening Oil, but I guess every Voltron commander is fun when you finally get to dress them up.

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>>54818226
>Mirai's Wake reprint

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>>54818226
No Broodmother, but fucking cheap utvara.

>>54818219
They sound like shit gamers, none of those behaviors are specific to mtg
>can't even call them on any of this bullshit without damaging our real friendships
Oh, they're just shit people. You have bad friends

>Cat deck ends up with the best cards
Cat haters BTFO

>>54818226
>Exquisite Blood is spiking for a while
>let's reprint worthless Sanguine Bond again

Just fuck my shit up.

>>54818337

cat deck looks really soldi. im impressed

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>>54818226
>no Lost Leonin in the cat deck
The general makes it into a 1-shot kill and even from the command zone makes it kill in 2 hits.

This is a clear chance to invest, /tg/. Let's do a buyout of Lost Leonin because people buying the precon will want it and the price will spike. Especially the foil which only costs about a quarter now but will surely spike to at least quadruple that price soon.

>>54818226
Those taplands everywhere. Removing at least half would probably make the deck better.

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>>54818226
>Dragons just has tap trilands

>dragon 5c deck
>lol just put all trilands and vivids
Someday they'll do a decent list. Someday.

I'm tempted in buying the wizards deck, some nice reprints. Cauldron Dance with a better border is gonna be gud. Y'all have any online stores that sell worldwide to recommend, I really don't want to pick a translated one.

>>54818226
The dragon deck manabase is painful to look at

HOLY SHIT

I GOT HAPATRA AND AJANI UNYIELDING AS RANDOM BOOSTER DROPS

B/G OR W/G?

>>54818387
>>54818397
>>54818401
>WAH WHERE IS MY FETCHES AND SHOCKS I PREORDED 50 COPIES JUST BECAUSE OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

I really hope Apprentice Necromancer and Cauldron Dance get new art.

>>54818339
>Oblivion Stone is spiking
>Let's go with 3rd Nevinyrall's Diski printing withing a year instead

I hate you WotC.

>>54818226

>Reprinting Condemn for the white deck's removal
>Not Path
>Not even Plow

they can't keep getting away with it

>>54818226
This is fuckin awful.

>>54818431
Cauldron Dance, yes.
Apprentice Necromancer, no.
Although the old Necromancer art would probably look pretty bad in new border so, maybe.

>>54818411
At least last year some decks had old filterlands and checklands, this year only the cat deck has a manland and Myriad Landscape as worthwhile reprints.

>>54816606
Haha, OP, you seemed to have forgotten the Discord info. Here it is:

/tg/ EDH General Discord
https://discord.gg/UE9Vqzu

Don't beat yourself up about it though. Just try to be less forgetful next time.

>>54818397
>Someday they'll do a decent list. Someday
I wonder if there's a guy at wizards whose job is to comb through persons and cull all the "do not reprint without permission from finance" cards. I bet he takes a sick pleasure in replacing them with garbage like Fist of Suns. I choose to believe that compared to the probable reality that wizard employees are just fucking terrible at deckbuilding.

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>>54818226

>have an Equipment-theme deck
>don't reprint any equipments people actually want

WIZAAAAAAAARDS

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>>54816606
I used to run it on Adriana. The problem is that usually tokens don't have enough body to make good use of it.
It's very useful with the Guardian of the Gateless.
I still must find this land to make the Magic work.

>>54818473
Sleep in today after getting plowed all night you faggot?

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>>54818226
>Comet Storm

>>54818431
Apprentice Necromancer does have new art

>>54818226
>comet storm
>clone legion

Definitely the reprints we needed, thank you wizards.

>>54818447
>plow in the Vampire deck

>>54818366
>>54818387
>>54818401
Seriously, you were expecting anything else? Wizards was not ever going to jam valuable duals into a precon, they don't want the backlash from these things getting bought up and scalped to hell for the lands.

>>54818528
>>54818506
What's so bad about Comet Storm? It makes a nice control finisher.

>>54818226

>The VISIONS tap fetchlands

JUST INCLUDE FUCKING FETCHES YOU GODDAMN ASSHOLES

REPRINT REAL CARDS GODDAMMIT

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>>54818456
>>54818431
We already saw the new art on Apprentice.

Sorry for the thumbnail.

I'm surprised they actually included some boardwipes and decent removal. Merciless Eviction is nice.

>>54818554
If they reprinted fetches in these, all walmarts would get scalped and all the LGSs would make them up 100%.

>>54818544
There's a difference between not reprinting money cards and jamming decklists full of jank that isn't even budget alternatives to good cards.

>>54818226
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/commander-2017-edition-decklists-2017-08-11
>that dragon mana base
>teferi's protection is in FUCKING VAMPIRES
>CAULDRON DANCE in the fucking grixis deck
Well, wizards it is anons.

>>54818554
>won't reprint cards over $15
>will include my cheap secret tech in every cycle and popularize it amongst those filthy casuals
They can't keep getting away with it

>>54818226
>Azami in the Wizard deck
I know she wasn't expensive but thank you wotc

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If I curse another player, do I get a gold token whenever that player is attack by anybody?
Or do I only get a gold token when I personally attack the cursed player?

>>54818226
Holy shit are these decks lackluster and mediocre. Better buy the new singles that you want, 'cause this years edition will not sell.

I'm not sure if I want to pick up any of those decks. They all look like they might be decently fun, but nothing stands out to me like Ydris or Daretti once did

>>54818473
>>54818503
Alright, First off, ALL OF YOU, are morons.

Let the idiot have his damned Discord Link. Discord is a Self-resolving problem. People get in there, they argue an namefag, and the server goes to shit, people leave, and come back out here. It's as simple as that.

Better yet, the idiots who go in will come out more educated for it. That's all.

You are making this problem for yourself when it's just not that damn hard! Seriously, you're supposed to be one of the GOOD Generals.

>>54818592
When they're attacked.
You can get 1 per combat phase.

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>>54818411

>>54818592
You get one whenever they're attacked. It's why I'm running green and red in Gahiji, just more incentives to bash each other.

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>>54818598
You're doing it wrong.

>>54818592
The text on this card is horrible. It would've been better if it just said:
Whenever enchanted player is attacked, the attacking player blah blah

>>54818596
I'm STILL jizzing myself over Mairsil.

Procons are amazing for getting into the format, while no highly optimized when they're still at a decent strength level, more so than the a good 30-40% of homebrews, and only need you to replace a few nonland cards for them to really shine.
Optimizng the manabase is typically the most expensive thing about this game period and can really put a damper on your wallet when you want to have several fully constructed decks at the same time (something I need to do because I'm typically lending decks to my friends who know how to play but don't have that many of their own cards).

>>54818226
>all those fucking tapped lands

Jesus christ.

>>54818648
But that's explicitly not how it works

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>Assblasted goys once again BTFO by preordering despite being told time and time again not to preorder things

Hope you all stocked up on Amulets of Vigor for those tap lands you stupid cattle

>>54818181
>>54818185
This video is painful to watch, but I wanna peep some of the new reprints.

>>54818554
>a 1% improvement in the deck's overall consistency is worth every single one of them getting bought out

They won't even actually make fetches cheaper since they'll be hoarded by sealed "investors" and never make it onto the actual market.

>>54818648
It's not for the attacking player though.
You'll always be the one getting the gold.

I just wish it was a Treasure token so I could try to do janky shit with the new Ixalan cards.

>>54818573
For a week or two and then the price would come down. Don't be retarded and think that cards have prices set in stone.

>>54818226

>Mirari's Wake in the cat deck
>Mirari's Wake
>£20 card
>in a £30 precon

Well, we know what's spiking this year

>>54818674
>>54818704
Fuck, forgot you get stuff every time in addition to the attacking player getting one

>>54818544
We were expecting something other than the shit they already reprinted so many times. There are tons of cards that cost 5-8 because of lack of supply. I'm not saying put fetches or Flusterstorm, but good, in-demand casual reprints would be welcome. This is just jank.

Reprint Reflecting Pool instead of Orchard, Stone instead of Disk, Checklands instead of taplands.

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>>54818602
Cool, that actually makes it really good. It could go off like crazy in the right deck.
It also means they fucked up in >>54818181

>>54818627
I'm going to run it in my Kazuul deck and then curse myself.
I wish I could get my hands on Gahiji, because it seems like a funner commander than Kazuul.

You could pick up this too, if you're going for that "give them stuff and make them attack somebody else" Gahiji strategy.

>>54818711
I don't think you understand how sealed speculation works. These would be sat on for years, if not over a decade because they threaten the rest of an "investor"s singles portfolio. The prices would barely move.

>>54818598
>Making things worse to appease an idiot.
How about no? I won't reply to the pasta because that's the most effective way to scorn him, but the OP shouldn't be expected to capitulate.

>>54818740
I don't think you understand basic economics therefore attribute prices to magic.

>>54818727
>We were expecting something other than the shit they already reprinted so many times

Why though? That makes no sense and you know it, if they've done it so many times by now why would they stop when Commander products sell every year?

Who designed Vampires, what casual scum made vampires the worst decklist by far?

>no allied checklands when they're $2 at most

I think this is what really confuses me. These and the battle land cycle/cycling lands in Standard would make a lot more sense, especially if Wizards wants to get Commander players interested in Standard.

And Sunpetal Grove is 1 dollar, how the fuck can you not throw it in?

>>54818503
You should've woke me when you got out of bed bby <3

Cat deck looks sweet as fuck, but Wizards got the most interesting generals.

>>54818727
>We were expecting something other than the shit they already reprinted so many times
That's your problem; clearly they have their in-house precon staples and anticipating deviation from it is a kind of delusional hope.
It's like there's a button, and every time you press it you get smacked with a wiffle bat and it dispenses a piece of candy. Only after pressing it and receiving your wiffle bat to the face and piece of candy five times you press it a sixth time and then get mad that the wiffle bat hit you this time, just like every time.

>>54818727
Reflecting pool and o stone aren't actually cheapo 5-8 cards though.

>>54818231
Ironically this is the fast alternative. Some people watch the 2 hour long VS series, where 4 unlikable neckbeards play against each other in a passive agressive manner.

>>54818795
Allied checklands are being reprinted in Ixalan, going by the leaked rare sheet. Rare lands are apparently one of the biggest movers of packs, so I can't fault Wizards for not reprinting them when Ixalan is right around the corner.

>>54818785
>worst decklist
>not Dragons
Cats > Wizards > Vampires >>> Dragons
In terms of overall strength.
Wizards has a lot of neat tech cards but super reliant on commander bullshit and drawing out your deck since it's packed with weak ass wizard drops, then again I guess that's par for the course in a singleton tribal deck.
Vampire's have some amazing synergy and bombs, the problem is you need your shit to stick a turn, which probably won't be happening when you're the guy with all the gravepacts at the table.

>>54818226

>Havengul Lich in the Wizard deck

fuck yeah. one of the only cards i was hoping for.

>>54818823
This. The vampire deck is boring as fuck, but I think the generals, Edgar in particular, will surprise people.

>>54818765
They did it with Meren and Atraxa solely due to the appeal of the commander. You really think that an entire cycle of Eminence commanders with fetches/shocks stuffed in wouldn't cause a mass holdout? There are motherfuckers sitting on HUNDREDS of boxes of just Atraxa right now, waiting to crack and resell years down the line.

>>54818795
Oh wow, you're not kidding about the taplands. I thought y'all were just going crazy about trilands in 5 color, I didn't realize they fucking dug out Urborg Volcano.

Dragons will be the weakest precon by far out of the box because of its fucked up manabase.

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>>54818740
>>54818711

>>54818854
>fucked up manabase
That and a rough average of 6 CMC.

>>54818854
I've ran 5 color on the back of trilands and manlands. I don't think it'll be as bad as anticipated.

Tempo doesn't matter as much when you're playing against what more or less is glorified draft chaff.

>>54818842
I choose to believe there's one guy doing this, and that posts like these are just part of his smoke and mirrors.

>>54818860
>sitting on that much Theros block

Don't worry Rudy I'm sure someone will find some tech to break those cards one day.

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Rate the curses from best to worse.

6 months from now we'll revisit this question and see who was right and who was retarded.

>>54818854
Deck will take a while to wind up and take a couple punches but once it's going it's gonna be dropping bombs fast and hard. Deck has haste enablers and three cards to reduce dragon costs.

>>54818829
Lich lets you cast from opponents graves doesn't it?

>>54818880
>6 CMC mattering
>With Ur-Dragon in the command-zone

Oh sick, Decree of Pain reprint. I wish we had a Decree of Silence too, but that'd be greedy.

There's a few solid reprints. Memory Plunder is surprisingly hard to find.

>>54818892

>people actually pay him money via Patreon to give them awful advice

He's an amazing scam-artist, I'll give him that.

>>54818829
Same. It's such a cool, unique card that fits really well with the wizard mechanics.
>>54818906
Yes, you just need to correct mana.

>>54818900
Blue, Green, Red, Black, White.

>>54818854
Almost preorder it, but now I am thinking about just ordering the Ur-Dragon, because I almost own all the dragons and
other cards . Maybe its price will fall like the gay kings last year, which I ordered for 12 Eurodollars.

>>54818900
No one will run them, like the last curse cycle, so we'll have no data.

Blue > Red > Black > Green (outside of infinite combo) > White.

Best commander out of all the new ones for Commander 2017?

Kinda interested in how Marisil can be broken.

>>54818900
Red > Green > Blue >> Black >>>>> White

The fact that wizards thinks 2 life is on par with the rest of that stuff is actually insulting.

>>54818888
Quads make your opinion correct, so I guess we can all sleep soundly now.

>>54818900
Fuck that is just such stupid art, I'm totally on the /tg/ hate bandwagon for this numale faggot and his haircut that doesn't exist outside liberal arts college.

>>54818900
Green>blue>red>basic land>black>white

>>54818946
Perhaps that's the point. Everybody hates him, which is why he's constantly being cursed.

>>54818918
Have fun casting 1 spell per turn until you die before turn 8.

>>54818934
Would putting Cascading Cataracts into a 3 colored deck be a bad move or still pretty decent so you can cast things like Teferi or Temporal Extortion and use abilities from creatures you steal/copy?

>>54818941
Kess. 4 mana for a Snappy on each of your turns.

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>>54818923
And quite a few of those patrons are store owners. Rudy is a hoarder and he has store owners who follow his advice so if the decks had high value cards then you bet your ass he would tell those owners to sit on the product.

I just wish they would include the fucking buddy lands at the very least but Ixalan has those and they need them to push packs. Fuck this game and it's land based resources being anything above
uncommon.

>>54818900
#1: Bounty. Threatens infinites in a fairly effective manner
#2: Opulence. Wouldn't be that great but it's in red, where ramp is kinda hard to come by. Is also the one most likely to go ape for you without the table noticing just how much gold you've raked in.
#3: Disturbance. There's always something to do with tokens
#4 Verbosity. 2-4 are all fairly close. This WOULD be the best of the three, except it's in blue so why aren't you playing Rhystic Study for your "leech cards off other players as a 2U Enchantment" needs?
#5 Vitality. Nobody would give a shit about this if it cost 1 mana. It just does far too little to ever be worth the slot.

>>54818941
I really like Mirri a whole lot. I don't know if she'll be better in the 99 though.

>>54818968
Cascading Cataracts is a solid card. I'd probably include it in 3 color.

>>54818226
So am I missing something or was Cauldron Dance pretty much the only noticable card that got a modern border?

>>54818971
But snappy is instant speed and can be done on any turn

>>54818934

Yeah. When I saw the apprentice necromancer and the other lich spoiled I knew it'd be a shame not to include him.

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>>54818941
Not weighing in on what's strongest but I'm interested in building:
>Mairsil combo
>UW Taigam Taking Turns
>Casual o-Kagachi spirit tribal

>>54818934
I suppose that's why you have all the stuff that makes opponent colours.

Hmm, just looking at the wizard deck, I'd probably make it into "all the wizards and tokens" deck- flameshadow conjuring in for more cloned tokens, sac outlets and on death effects for getting more use out of the tokens, sundial for keeping the tokens, etc.

Every year they have a chance to make precons better.

Every year they make them worse than the last.

How does this company survive?

>>54818923
The Patreon thing is how he sells booster boxes, I believe. He handles all the shipping on his end so you end up buying a box for around 10-15 dollars less than what your LGS would charge. From what I can glean of his comment section most of his patrons just do it so they can play limited a bunch.

>>54819037
Magic is trendy.

>>54818941
Better question.
What commanders can you actually see yourself running in the 99 of any other deck.

>>54819037
But last years set gave us some of the most broken commanders out there

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>Preordered full set for 90€
>Gonna be selling vampires and dragons for 50


Feel like I got a pretty good deal

I wish WotC would just sell "lands packs" from their site for like 20 dollars, to get a playset of fetches and shocks.

I know it would be bad for them to do so because without LGS's their game will not work and so circumventing them isn't smart, but manabases are going to forever be a stranglehold on this game otherwise. There's no way to get around it.

>>54818946
>I'm totally on the /tg/ hate bandwagon for this numale faggot and his haircut that doesn't exist outside liberal arts college
I kinda like them. His expression in each one of them gives off an "Aw, maaaaan" kind of feeling and it's hilarious.

>>54819037
Commander 2011 was pretty god awful for the most part, if it weren't for those stupidly strong commanders nobody would've taken an interest.

>>54818815
I bought Pool for 5 euro last week, but yeah, maybe in US prices.

>>54819037
Idiots keep buying their shit as they write complaints like yours.

>>54818900
Green Red Blue Black White.
Green gives all creatures Pseudo Vigilance and breaks Stax parity with ease if you have a suite of dorks. I see it being very strong in Derevi.

>>54819106
If only we had a way of pushing the product straight to the casuals and keeping it out of the hands of filthy collectors and scalpers, amiright fellow compatriot of limited wealth?

>>54819127
I think you quoted the wrong person. Or maybe you can't read. I'll be charitble and assume the former.

>>54819037
They were better in 2016.

>>54819089
Just play with worse lands. Shits not competitive.

>>54818854

Honestly Ur-Dragon is just a ridiculous value engine. As long as you can start swinging with him...

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dumping some lifelinker codes for you kind people

Card Kingdoms code
KNEUZC6UDGUL

Magic Man Sam's code
TQS7VUFHUJFM

Starcity games split second cide
E1hc4cwfa982

Starcity Commander vs Series code
WIOFVNBZDIU0

Don't have tolarian's so if anyone has that one let me know.

>>54819037
I'd rather have this than more commanders like Atraxa and Breya tbqh senpai.

>>54818592
what's up with this hipster dude with the haircut and groomed beard.

>>54819202
with him on board*

>>54819234
This.

New niche, narrow commanders are so much better than "hey lets completely warp the format".

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>>54819234
I have no idea how anyone thought Atraxa was okay to print. She's basically overpowered keyword vomit.

Maybe I'm just salty because I played against an Atraxa infect deck, though.

Look at the mana bases and the card costs in the precons. The wizard deck is unplayable. What where they thinking putting Arcanis, Azami and Memory Plunder into a three-colored deck?

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>>54819216

neat

>>54819251
I'm guessing the artist used himself as a reference, or is just some dumbass old fart trying to appeal to millennials.

>>54819251
It's the guy who made the artwork. Yeah, really he drew himself.

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>>54819283

>>54818823
Dragons make up for the fuck ton of worthless legends and Utvara.

>>54819278
Pre-con vs Pre-con games would basically mean that everyone is a turn behind, because of the amount of taplands. In anything other, yes, those decks are just terrible.

Which Commander deck should I get?

>>54819278
25 Blue sources + Fellwar Stone and Exotic Orchard. Bit too much colorless mana in my opinion but not unplayable as you say.

>>54819251
I choose to believe he's some dumbass rich kid from Trostad trying to slum it and not realizing that eating lunch in the Ulvenwald and traipsing around the moors is a bad idea.

>>54819234

We don't want the precons to have more overpowered face cards, we want reasonable reprints that will make the game more affordable

19 TAPLANDS IN VAMPIRES

19!

>>54819337
Cats. Worst comes to worse, you can just flip Mirari's Wake. Wizards if you're looking to build the jankiest deck known to man.

>>54819378

18 basics in the 5 color dragon deck.........

Last chance to get your Riptide Laboratories, folks.

Lmao'ing at the lives of people who preordered all 4

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Champion functions completely normally with token copies, right?

I'm thinking that this guy will be good tech for Inalla decks. His haste is wasted but champion + Inalla will seriously abuse etb abilities.

When he comes into play you can pay 1 to make a token then champion 2 creatures that are already in play, right? Then when the token exiles itself, the card it championed returns?

>>54818506
that reminds me of the time i tried to build endrek sahr

why did you remind me

What's everyone opinion on the decklists?
I'm a bit disappointed about the absence of Oliviain Vamps and Nekusar in Wizards.

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Hi friends, Rudy here
So what deck do you think I should invest into? Which one is the most valuable? Also don't forget to subscribe to my youtube channel and help me in Patreon

>>54819424
>championed creature returns at end of turn
>pay 1 again to make a token that exiles at the end of the opponent's turn
Now that's what I call value.

>>54819445
Floppy Taco XDDXDXDXDDD

>>54819408
They sold out on TCG player within minutes. Also the Lorwyn merfolk wizards are going fast.

>>54819414
>lmaoing at people who'll turn a profit from the preorder
Thanks?

Cat deck has a really fucking good mana base; it has about 7 lesser fetch lands, with 3 that can get two lands at once. It also has abundance, so the deck will quite possibly have little mana problems.

>>54818181

Man it's kind of a bummer to watch everybody shit on everything Shawn Main ever tries to do.

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>the decklists have been out for less than an hour and speculators have already bought out all the interesting upgrades

why won't mtg finance just go away

>>54818983
>And quite a few of those patrons are store owners
They won't be much longer, lgs is already a barely profitable business. Hoarding stock will probably cost more money in inventory space than it would ever recoup in any amounnt if time. Mtg ((((finance)))) is an oxymoron, nobody who actually values their own money would look at the secondary market and see potential for (((((investing))))))

>>54819278
To be fair, actual Wizard tribal is going to be primarily UB with a dash of red. There aren't enough good red wizards to give it a major focus in your manabase.

>>54819488

How do you plan on doing that? Not a single card printed in any of these decks is worth more than $2-$3

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>>54817513

>>54819556
>Not a single card printed in any of these decks is worth more than $2-$3
Bad bait, try harder next time.

>>54819567
Sometimes I like to look at older Magic sets and wonder just how many of those artists actually made a career out of their work or if that ended up being the peak of their artistic ability.

>>54819216
What is this

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What decks are you guys thinking of grabbing?

Thinking of grabbing dragons and leaving the manabase as is for the most part. Mostly gonna be just swapping out dragons and including a few artifacts.

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>>54819593
Well, Amy Weber sure didn't make it her career. At least I hope so for the sake of artists everywhere.

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>>54818226
>not even a Lantern in the Dragon deck

>>54819625
At first I was thinking about Wizards because they could be somewhat valuous but now that all the decks are horrible except for some cards maybe I should pick the Cat one

>>54819618
Command zone put out a minimalist looking life tracker. These codes are for supporting other MTG vendors and content creators so you can use their logo as a background. It's mostly a collection thing so Anon is being cool with the codes.

The app itself is alright. I like how it looks the most compared to other life trackers but I feel it's kind of bloated in performance.

>>54819424
Champion Wizard + Ashnod's Altar is infinite mana for Inalla.

>>54819580
He worded it badly, but none of the cards in these will be worth more than 2-3$ in 2 months or so. Maybe except Mirari's Wake.

>>54819635
Dragons don't use artifacts or spellcraft ye fool!
Just ramp harder so you can play more dragons!

>>54819556
My friend says each deck is somehow about 70 in terms of card value without new cards.

I don't get where these numbers are from.

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>>54819625
I preordered them, but I'm most excited to play vampires. Just throwing in a few upgrades, but going to keep it fairly casual.
I'll probably do something more competitive with cats and wizards, but I'm not sure yet.

>>54819672
Cats is the other one I want but mostly because I want the hammer that gives indestructible for Nahiri so I might just buy the single of that.

Edgar is also fucking cool and I like his deck but I feel his deck would be the one I would want to shake up the most and just don't really want to spend much on making a new deck. I still have to finish another one.

>>54819681
>shilling on 4chan

really?

>>54819580

It's true though, the prices will correct. You're not going to be able to sell any of these decks or cards for a profit, and none of them are playable out of the box either, so you essentially spent over $100 on a few cool commanders

>there are people on this plane who see mtg cards as something to """"invest"""

Fucking americans.

>>54819703
>each card worth anywhere from $.05 to $10
>evens out to about $1 if you're lucky
>65 nonland cards, land ones might as well be considered basic

>>54819703

If you look at MTGgoldfish, they've estimated that each deck is """"worth"""" $100-$170 in paper! Such a deal, why wizards is practically GIVING away cards! :O

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/commander-2017-decklists

>>54819625

The dragons mana base is actually, literally unplayable as is though

>>54819408
Got mine 3-4 weeks ago because I knew this would happen.

>>54819744
BUY MORE ARCHMAGES, YOU FOOL
SELL THOSE LICHES BEFORE THE REPRINT TANKS THEM
KEEP AS MANY COPIES OF WIZARD DECK TO YOURSELF TO ARTIFICIALLY INFLATE PRICES

>>54819731
It's already sold, my profit is already made. I'm just waiting for the decks to hit.

Wew lads the reprints this time have been absolute garbage, theres like almost nothing of value but Miraris Wake.

I thought of getting the Wizards decks but seeing the decks themselves i will just get the Commanders and call everything else quits.

>That gigantic amount of taplands in all of the decks.

It looks extremely painful to play the decks out of the box, what the fuck were they thinking, they couldnt even add some painlands to ease up the taplanding.

FUCK

>>54818365
Quadruple that price??! You mean that if I invest in a bunch of shitty 25-cent cards, I might be able to get a dollar back?! Sign me the fuck up!

I hope that the douchebags on TCG Player don't cancel my order of Riptide Lab that I placed days ago.

Something tells me I'll be getting notifications soon that the stores I ordered wizard cards from were actually (((out of stock))) and they'll refund my purchases.

>>54819731
>>54819701
Look at Wurmcoil Engine and say that again.

>>54819744
It's fucking obnoxious. I don't have a problem with pay a few burgers for a competitive card, but when people buyout casual cards it's just sad. All it means is that I won't get to play it.

>>54819760
>set preorder prices as 10$ per new card
>OMG SUCH VALUE

and redditors still fall for it

>>54819781

Nice larp

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what are some good, meme builds for this bad boy here?

>>54817322
>>54817753

Why? Why should vampires get 4 new legendary creatures when the other 3 decks only get 3? Why does Taigam have anything to do with that?

>>54819820
Whatever makes you feel better at night.

The wizard deck is really only worth it for the legendaries huh?

>>54819830
wheels, wheels, wheels.

>>54819799
>A Wild shill appears!

Do you see anything even remotely comparable to Wurmcoil here?

>>54819830
don't be that guy

>>54819847

That is all the decks

>>54819761
amulet of vigor ;^)

>>54819847
yes

>>54819831
Each deck got one additional new legendary outside of the three commanders:
>Dragons got cat dragon
>Wizards got UB Taigam
>Cats got Balan
>Vampures got nothing
WU Taigam is the only other new legendary, so I'm just assuming they could only include four additional ones.

I want the Vamp deck, but Edgar feels so narrow and the other two aren't interesting.

>>54819760
>The Ur-Dragon 14.99

top kek

>>54819625
>leaving the manabase as is for the most part

Do you want to kill yourself after 10 minutes into a match right?

>>54819901

That's not the issue. The issue is 18 basics in a 5 color deck

>>54819805
>It's fucking obnoxious

It's just sad, I just wanna play cards....

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>>54819919
>I want it
>But I don't like it

>>54819831
We're talking about all of them including the ones that aren't the same colors aa the 3 foils.
Dragons: 5 new legends
Wizards + Cats: 4 new legends
Vampires: 3 new legends

>>54819881
There was no shilling in my post at all. The point is that reprints don't tend to tank card prices by much unless they're reprinted to hell and back. Mirari's Wake will likely stay close to what it is now.

>>54819760
They show the dollar value of the cards though.

The basic lands arts are a repeat from last year?

>>54819887

w-what guy?

>>54819532
> using excessive amounts of brackets

What did they mean by this?