Warhammer Fantasy General /wfg/

>>54789541
>unnamed hack'n'slash genre Warhammer vidya
Cool, but we already have Vermintide. I'd much rather see an isometric rpg based on 2e WHFRP.

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>>54789541

>>54789587
>hack'n'slash genre Warhammer
Maybe its more akin to Dinasty Warrior games? Vermintide is awesome, but Warhammer is/was a tabletop wargame.

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>>54788656
>holy shit are those Bretonnian peasants awful models. 14th century infantry looked gorgeous, and instead we got retarded mutants in aprons

On one hand, I sympathize and understand what you're saying - the Bretonnian peasants look about as shit as they are.

On the other hand, in its own way it makes them stand out, especially since they're so raggedy and patched together that they actually have a lot of character to them - their shields are a bit samey, but they actually have a lot of body bits, and it's easy to kitbash some bits from knights or grail pilgrims for some more variety - or even Empire units if you really want.

And honestly, if Bretonnia had really professional and shiny cavalry that were some of the best knights in the world, and then they had really nice looking and professional infantry...well, to me they'd just be the High Elves of the human world. And at least if they're shitty, they are their own thing.

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>>54789587
How about a Markus fps?

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Mordheim notes?

So, I'm wondering about how many GC it should cost for Ratwheels, and the Steam Engine would be at the discretion of the campaign organizer; but this is my current pet project for more mounts & wagons for Mordheim. What other things should be added as options? I'm imagining a Fireworks Launcher rack (ala the Border Town Burning pyromaniac) could be an amusing if time-consuming option, just to throw a shitload of fireworks onto the field.

Given how GW can't relaunch Fantasy, wouldn't it be better to relaunch warmaster to take advantage of the scale of TWW?

Why does the Maneuver action in WFRP 2e not allow you to move people into terrain? How am I supposed to push someone off a cliff or tangle an opponent in fishing nets if I have to stop short of the terrain?

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>>54789541
>Hack & Slash
Okay, I've done Warhammer as Ocarina of Time but I'm wondering if I can do Dark Souls with Warhammer now. It's way more strategic than the average hack & slash but I can't easily think of settings who's grimdark enough for Warhammer.
>Ages ago, Gwyn/Sigmar/Aenerion/Lord Kroak/some famous old guy brought the Age of Fire/Order by killing shit
>Vortex that Caledor did instead of First Flame
>Instead of burning in the First Flame, you hurl yourself into the Vortex to help stabilize it & become known as an Incarnate or some Lord of Cinder equivalent
>choosing to not lite the flame makes you an Everchosen
>Chaos instead of Abyss
>Final boss of first game is Sigmar & he throws thunderbolts, Thor to Gwyn's Zeus
>Japanese name for Soul of Cinder is Incarnation of the Kings anyway
>Artorias is instead Archaon or another Warrior Priest gone Chaos
I don't think this is going to work out. Anyone have a better idea?

>>54790013
Hero is an undead.

>>54789622
>Maybe its more akin to Dinasty Warrior games?

Hopefully more like the first Kingdom Under Fire, only modernized.

>>54789587
What sort of story would you like to see for a WFRP vidya? Playing as one of the canon characters, or letting you make a unique character from scratch?

Personally I'd like to see a beefed up Mordheim game using turn based combat mechanics for action scenes, but some sort of resource management/adventure story mechanic between action scenes.

>>54790252
>Playing as one of the canon characters, or letting you make a unique character from scratch?

Playing as a new, original character. No Skyrimjob 'it's about you' shit where it's completely meaningless because the game can make no informed writing about your character.

>What sort of story would you like to see for a WFRP vidya?

Something not 'end of the world'-y, but still relevant.

>>54790252
It's hard to do canon characters well without stepping on other writers toes.

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>>54789541
>traveled to many of the ancient mayan/aztec ruins around mexico
>tfw imagining flying pepes atop the pyramids and autistic dinos going about their daily tasks

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Existing lore tier list:

Mascot Tier
> The Empire
> Greenskins
> Hordes of Chaos

Storied Tier
> Dwarfs
> Skaven
> Vampire Counts
> Dark Elves
> High Elves

Fleshed Out Tier
> Bretonnia
> Norsca
> Ogres
> Lizardmen
> Tomb Kings
> Wood Elves
> Kislev
> Nippon (Tetsubo apocrypha)

You Must Be This Tall to Ride Tier
> Chorfs
> Tilea

Some Stuff Tier
> Border Princes
> Araby
> Kurgan
> Cathay
> Nippon (canon)

Lacking Stuff Tier
> Albion
> Hung
> Amazons

Literally Nothing Tier
> Estalia
> Ind
> Nagas of Khuresh

Squatted Tier
> Pygmies
> Slann

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>>54789910
Best queen.

>>54790252
Unique character from scratch, definitely. Probably the best way to make use of the careers system anyway, as long as you keep things flexible enough for multiple starts with enough vagueness that you don't have to roll with a pre-determined story.

I'd love something sandboxy where you were able to get involved in the stories of the world around you, kinda like a better version of some Elder Scrolls games with a darker feel, but I'd settle for a dungeon crawler of some sort with brief episodes of travel and resource management outside of the dungeons themselves. That way they can focus a lot on combat, but still put enough room into non-combat areas without having to be overwhelmed by them or making the world feel small.

>>54789588
2handsome4me

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>>54790387

>>54790352
>Nippon (Tetsubo apocrypha)
Nani?

>>54790352
You know the Slann are with the Lizardmen, right?

>>54790352
Kuresh is just where the monstergirls live and love their humans.
Such a sugary sight disgusted the high elves and they keep watch over the place.

>>54790426
He probably meant not fat frogmen from bloodbowl and first editions of WFB.

>>54790309
>Something not 'end of the world'-y, but still relevant

I'd like a new take on The Shadow of the Horned Rat.

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>>54790419
Riding griffons.

>>54790252
>What sort of story would you like to see for a WFRP vidya? Playing as one of the canon characters, or letting you make a unique character from scratch?

Gotrek and Felix game set during the 20 years they spent rampaging around Cathay, Ind, etc.

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>>54790424
Take this. Was meant to be a supplement for WFRP 1ed before GW cancelled it last minute.

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>>54790490

>>54790510
So Nioh?

>>54790510
>Gotrek and Felix hack n slash
>Play as Gotrek
>Score points for bigger, better, cooler kills
>Bonus points if Felix can see you when you do it
>Felix can carry his own weight, so no babysitting

>>54790629
>Felix gives your kills double the bonus points if you find him a girl to sleep with every so often

But what if there was a Warhammer fighting game?

>>54790692
>Grimgor
>Valten
>Archeon
>Leoncour
>Tyrion
>Hellebron
>some wardancer
>khazrak
>Skragg
>Sigvald
>Konrad
Seems more like soul calibur.

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What kind of caps are these referring to?

>>54790763
Grimgor is the secret boss character cause he's the 'ardest of the lot

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>>54790763
Fatalities.
>Grimgor
Brings Gitsnik down on the enemy, bisecting them.
>Valten
Cocks his arm back and throws his hammer like a meteor, shattering the opponent's skull.
>Archeon
Unbinds the daemon within the Slayer of Kings which tears his foe apart.
>Leoncour
Shows mercy on the enemy, turns around and is nearly stabbed in the back but turns around at the last second and shoves his sword through their chest.
>Tyrion
Dazzling swordwork that barely leaves a mark until the enemy falls apart in neatly cut pieces.
>Hellebron
Poisons her foe and removes their still beating heart.
>some wardancer
Dances with such skill that the enemy tries to get a few more strikes it but ends up falling on their own weapon.
>Khazrak
Eats both their eyes, lets them wander around blind for a bit before snapping his whip around their neck and snaps it.
>Skragg
Chops up the enemy and throws them into a boiling pot.
>Sigvald
Too pretty to do his own dirty work so a half dozen fawning soldiers come in and tear them limb from limb so they can touch his hair.
>Konrad
Beats them to death with a cup, gathers up the blood and drinks it.

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>>54790819
Something like this I imagine.

>>54790511
Yeah no, nowhere does it say that it was supposed to be officially released. It's even dated 2010.

>>54790965
That's a reconstruction that's been copyrighted by people who wrote it; becuase GW cancelled its release, they don't own the rights.

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>>54790931
Looks rather Empire-like to me, but probably better than what I was thinking of.

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>>54790763
I want Malus Darkblade.

>>54791030
Dlc along with Queek.

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>>54790965
https://awesomeliesblog.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/lost-warhammer-tetsubo/

See the bottom of pic related.

>>54791060
One for each playable race in the base game.
Border Princes is a custom character.

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>>54791060
Sounds good to me. Do we get Settra also?

>>54790884
*Mousillon

>>54790352
Eh do we count TWW official lore? Its thanks to CA we got a Norsca armylist

>>54791201
He doesn't serve. The player can't control him.

>>54791201
No. He can be a boss.

>>54791240
That's not much lorewise, yeah? Most of it was already existing before the update. At best the addition of Fimir (far up north, not into the setting at all) is something new.

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>playing as Bordelaux
>Wood Elves decided to start conquering Bretonnia, so I had to slap their shit after having entire armies and provinces lost
>once you slap down their seemingly unbeatable juggernaut, they struggle to rebuild an army for a little while, so I hurriedly try to take down as many Wood Elf cities as possible
>mfw one is coming at my attrition and battle weakened army with three fucking forest dragons

>>54791096
>Tetsubo is something of an oddity. It draws extensively on feudal Japanese culture and folklore and barely acknowledges the Warhammer world. It feels like a Japanese-inspired RPG that just happened to use the WFRP ruleset. It is telling that it was not even set in the Warhammer land of Nippon.

So it doesn't actually fluff out Nippon at all.
>freelancers

>>54791570
For the lady, those fey must be stopped!
Meet them in glorious battle and skewer their foul lizards upon your holy lances!

>>54791588
It does, it's just that the land is called "Yamato" instead of "Nippon" but does feature Chaos creatures, Greenskins, and Dark Elves as adversaries.

>>54790252
Basically >>54790309 or something similar to the Shadowrun games where you're just a pretty average dude going through a story that's either personal or on a fairly small scale, local threat level. Ideally it would have similar mod tools as the SR games to maximize user content.

>>54791201
>Worst fighter for beginners
>Can't even uppercut.

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>>54791989
>Can't even uppercut.

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is there a bigger cuck than beggar nohammer?

>>54792216
Finubar.

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>>54792216
Your average dark elf.

>>54789587
I hate to be a negative nancy but I'm 75% certain the unnamed hack n slash is just a phone game

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>>54792216
G R U D G E
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>>54792345
Take a culture where strong emotional responses are frowned upon and you get a nation of men and women who are incapable of handling their emotions well.

>>54790352
There's lore on Estalia and an unofficial army list. I'll agree Ind has very little else known about it

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>>54792510
But anon, president Tomaru gives extra to his kids.

>>54792490
Are the developers known for mobile games? I don't think it'd get a mention like it did if it was some cheapo ios game. I'm willing to bet it's going to be a full PC/console release.

>>54792216
Explain the Belegar Ironhammer meme to me, I never followed End of Days and i'm a filthy secondary for the most part

>>54792216
I don't think he even has a wife, not as far as I've heard. And considering that in older lore he used to just be an old dwarf squatting in ruins until he got revamped as some badass war hero, he's doing alright.

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>>54792585
Quick rundown on Belegar Ironhammer:

>Throgrim bows to the Ironhammer
>He's the true king of Eight Peaks
>Put peanut butter on his dick and made Gobbla eat it and also made Skarsnik watch
>Cucked Ungirm out of his hot, hairy Slayer wife
>Kicked Felix in the balls and shit on Gotrek's axe when he wasn't looking (almost got his ass kicked for that)
>Ties Oathbreakers to boulders and lobs them from Grudge Throwers

>>54792585
He's legally the King of Karak Eight Peaks but the goblins & skaven don't care.

>>54792578
Nevermind, I looked. They're known for much worse...

http://www.ekosystem.com/

>>54792640
Someone please post the rundown on the Dawi Zharr. I need my weekly bogpill.

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>tfw no Empire additions to TW Warhammer in ages

New Legendary Lords:
>Kurt Helborg,
>Boris Todbringer (made an actual LL with uniques)
>Marius Leitdorf
New Legendary Heroes:
>Ludwig Schwarzhelm
>Luthor Huss
>Markus Wulfhart

It'd flesh the fuck out of the Empire. If the VC can have like 6 fucking LLs, so can the Empire which is the largest faction canonically.

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>>54792696
>http://www.ekosystem.com/

well thats its for the hype train folks. everyone out

>>54792741
It needs subfactions. Nobody wants to play Boris Todbringer in Empire red (when it should really be mostly white with red).

>>54792585
Whines about muh karak eight peaks 24/7, finally gets a go of it then gets killed by Queek
>>54792605
He does, she gets killed

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>>54792741
New Legendary Hero: Victor Saltzpyre

>>54792741
I'd love to see a unique model for each province leader at least.

>>54789910
alarielle

>>54792899
Eh, that's a bit too much- I mean, who else is there except Todbringer and Leitdorf?

>>54792936
By this I meant, who gives a crap about anyone OTHER than Boris and Marius?

>>54792791
>>54792741
I'd take Todbringer as a LL. I always make him my Reiksmarshall to make up for beating him the fuck out

We don't need every goddamn Elector Count though. Todbringer, Leitdorf, and Jubal Falk because the Empire needs an engineer hero

>>54792953
I think von Raukov had his own unique artwork.

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>>54792936
Theodoric Gausser? He at least had some artwork of him.

>>54792936
Valmir von Raukov.Theodoric Gausser, Emmanuelle von Liebwitz.

>>54792966
Leitdorf was said to be an inventor, so he could be the engineer hero

>>54792936
I remember that old russian mod for Medieval 2 TW had unique models for each province leader, just base it off them.

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>>54792899

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=904487915&searchtext=Mixu%27s+Legendary+Lords

>>54792982
Emmanuelle is cool just for the fact that she doesn't also happen to be an experienced warrior, but...well, she's not a general. It kind of makes sense to me that she lets some family member take care of things. Though it'd be nice to include her on the diplomacy panel at least.

I would put Helborg in as LL over Todbringer actually, the Empires Cavalry champion (and canonically the Reiksmarshal)

>>54792982
>Emmanuelle von Liebwitz
The most useless and decadent of the Elector Counts? Really? She screams NPC bitch, she only got her position via sucking dick

>>54793023
Diplomacy would probably be best for her seeing as how she's the queen of socialites, but seeing her on the battlefield in a completely inappropriate dress, surrounded by bodyguards, would be kinda nifty. She'd be like the king unit from AOE2.

>>54790041
Hero is a newly ascended chaos warrior, journey swaps between realm of chaos and 'real space' and vary in time and respawns are Tzeentian fuckery.

>>54793024
Helborg is far more important than Boris when you think about it but he's very generic, Todbringer at least has the Khazrak grudge

Empire needs an engineer agent similar to the dwarven one.

For that matter, dwarves need more agents and LL's jesus fuck

>>54793066
Daemon and Giant Slayers, Josef Bugman.

Alright, /wfg/ let's hear tales of absurdity. Post your wackiest, but vaguely potential plausible possibilities for End Times. I'll start

>Grom the Paunch manages to penetrate further into Ulthuan and draw the Widowmaker, while his shaman critically weakens the Vortex with his tampering with the waystones.

>>54793066
G O T R E K

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>>54793066
I've added both Dawi and human engineer heroes for the Empire. Not pictured: repeater rifles. I need to put them through campaign testing.

>>54793054
>absolutely useless in combat, but provides a leadership buff because she's so well loved

I could see it. The bodyguards idea also provides some combat ability, sort of like Thorgrim and his bearers or Snarsnik and his squig, though I'd still have her be better for support and economics.

>>54793021
Pretty good. My main computer bricked shortly after TWW released so I haven't even considered the amount of mods that are probably out by now to address my original concerns about the game.

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>>54793108
Gazul-disciple witch hunters for the Dwarf roster. They're kind of shit right now.

Empire needs:
>Engineer Agent
>A Cavalry LL
>Maybe a gunnery LL

Dwarves Need:
>Gunnery LL
>Or a Runepriest LL
>Jesus fuck anything besides more warriors
>Also a Ranger agent to assassinate all these fucking goblins and take the place of Witchhunters

>>54793182
>Runelord LL
>http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Thorek_Ironbrow
>http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Kragg_the_Grim

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So here's how my TW Warhammer Empire campaign planning is going, critique freely.

Army 1:
>Emperor Karl Franz
>Reiksmarshal Kurt Helborg (Tabletop Lords Grandmaster)

- Emphasis on heavy infantry and cavalry, with support of Ludwig Scharzhelm as Empire Captain, a Light Wizard, and 3 of the 8 Steam Tanks in service. Heavy Reiksguard theme. Frequent use of hammer and anvil tactics.
- Campaigning against other human states early on, in order to expand and stabilize the Empire. Later campaigning would consist of combating the forces of Norsca and Chaos, with a clear effort to establish relations with Bretonnia, to reinforce against the armies of Chaos.

Army 2:
>Supreme Patriarch Balthasar Gelt
>Castellan-Engineer (Generic General of the Empire)

- Emphasis on magic, artillery, heavy missile infantry like Nuln Ironsides, and mounted missile horseman. Firepower over Faith theme.
- Campaigning mainly in the south, with the goal to assimilate other human nations, restore old Dawi alliances, and stem the tide of Greenskins.

Army 3:
>Grand Theogenist Volkmar the Grim
>Arch-Lector generic Lord

- Emphasis on Flagellants, Blazing Sun Knights, and Flaming Attacks. With the accompanies RoR's like Tattersouls, Sigmar's Sons, Stirland's Revenge and Silver Bullets.
- Campaign would dictate they venture east into Sylvania and her borders, with the ultimate goal of vanquishing the vampires and breaking their grip on the province.

Reinforcing:
>Boris Todbringer, The Emperor's Eye

Boris and his stack would play a versatile playstyle, able to reinforce any of the three above armies as needed.

>>54793227
Real talk, why are the fantasy wikis (both of them) so shit compared to the 40k ones, and to other RPGs in general?

One of the main reasons 40k gets so many new people is that their wikis are clear and well organized, while the Fantasy ones just sit there and rot, and haven't even updated for a 3 year old event.

>>54793269
I think it's because of popularity. 40k long eclipsed Fantasy in fame. I prefer Fantasy over 40k

>>54793254
You can't have two lords in one army, or am i missing something?

>>54793285
Yeah but it's a self perpetuating cycle.

You can see it in threads on here or anywhere else really; someone finds out about 40k, asks how to get into it, gets told to go to the wikis and everything is smooth.

Try the same thing with Fantasy and you'll end up even more confused

>>54793269
40k has always been more popular, and that's even more pronounced here in the states. WHFB had a stronger following in Europe. For example, the German language lexicanum for Warhammer Fantasy is leagues better than its English counterpart. Which makes it pretty thematically appropriate because, now you can pretend you're reading some Empire scholar's account of things.

>>54793320
That 40k has videogames to ease newcomers into the tabletop also helps.

>>54793309

The army numbers are just generic terms for each group I have.

Meaning, that army 1 is 2 lord's and their 2 armies combined, traveling together to make up the first "army".

>>54793423
Fantasy now has as well

>>54793444
Yes, after GW took it out back and shot it like old Yeller then buried it under the pet sematary.

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>>54793444
but our games are good, at least

>>54793285
That doesn't really explain all of the spelling and grammar errors on the fantasy wikis and the tendency to repeat information multiple times over the course of a single article. I'd get it if it just wasn't updated much or didn't have a whole lot of information but a pretty good amount of stuff is covered on the wikis, it just looks like it was put together by a 12 year old.

>>54793269
they have gotten better as of late

>>54793604
What's the point of this pic?
>A year or two old games have more players than games at least 5 years old
What a surprise

>>54793639
>games at least 5 years old
>DoW III
really?

>>54793604
Dawn of War and Space Marine are good, suck my dick.

>>54793656
>1 game

Wow you really BTFO me there

>>54793604
Come on, this isn't something worth arguing about. A lot of the 40k games are older and obviously have been losing attention, and some of the newer ones have been flops in their own way or just were never meant to be huge titles - comparing that menagerie to Total Warhammer, which has not only been a boon to WFB fans but also fans of the Total War series, with a big developer behind it, is just unfair. And it also leaves out things like Man O' War and the other WFB games that still aren't yet doing well.

>>54793506
age of sigmar sales are slaughtering fantasy sales

>>54793762

>sales of a new game actively supported are higher than those of a discontinued game

holy fuck, you don't say?!

>>54792714
What do you need to know about the best dwarfs?

>>54793023
Her brother/sister would be a good addition.

>>54793829
age of sigmar is destroying the sales that WHFB did in its heyday

>>54793895
Probably? WFB built up a fanbase over three decades, AoS ported them over. Makes sense that their best month of sales would beat WFB best month of sales. All those fans buying new books/new starter sets for the rule changes? With what GW charges these days compared to the cheaper golden era? I'd be shocked if it wasn't.

>>54793254
I've still got my fingers crossed that they'll include some reference to ghal maraz being a fake somewhere in TWW.

>>54794036
>ghal maraz being a fake
what

>>54794086
A theory that the real Ghal Maraz was returned to the Dwarves by Siggy and the one they have now is a copy

>>54794086
It's old lore, tied to RPG and Warhammer World. It'd be great for it to get a reference in the game, like a mad scholar ranting about dwarfen syntax.

>>54794115
>>54794112
...For what purpose?

End of Days shit on everyone enough as it is. Do you want a repeat of the Pheonix King Cuckoldry?

>>54793895
Nah.

>>54794371
Every time this comes up someone pulls out the 2016 stockholders information that points out that AOS is doing well.

And every time you bury your head and go LALALALA NO EXACT CONTEXT LALALA NO SALES FIGURES

How beat the fuck out do you have to be exactly

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Would underground races like the Skaven and the Goblins be as far-reaching as they are, if the Dwarves hadn't dug so many underground passages and highways first?

>>54794302
For an RPG adventure from 1ed? Not a bad one, as far as it goes. My GM used it as the basis of a religious war post SoC where both sides claimed to have the hammer of Sigmar. Was fun.

>>54794371
>>54794432

Is this just the same guy talking to himself, or do people actually care?

>>54794448
Skaven would have definitely - fuckers have a warpstone train and an empire that spans the entire planet.

Gobbos...maybe?

>>54790763
Katarina is an annoying juggling bitch with her ice spike attack.

>>54791588
Its a solid working basis for Nippon. You just have to synchronize it a bit more.

>>54794517
Could they have built that empire without the ruins of the dwarven one to start from?

>>54794782
Yeah? A lot of Skavens stuff is deeper than the Dwarf infrastructure. The co-opted what they got their paws on, but by sheer numbers they would have done it eventually.

>>54794782
Skaven is a very desperate race. They need to expand or else there won't be room for their vast numbers. They need war because their society cannot sustain themselves, so they raid the surface for food OR looking to lose some numbers so the rest can be fed.
I am a Skaven player and they make me laugh on the table, but when you stop and think about it they are a really depressing race.

Landsknechts pikemen or Spanish pikemen?

>>54794996
Middenlander Halberdiers.

Hi, random question, does anyone have the extra rules for Mighty Empires (the tile set released during 7th Ed, not the 1990 expansion), the ones that included start-of-campaign turn events, seasonal rules, and racial rules?

I've searched I'm pretty sure all of the links in the OP but having no luck, and Google is failing me as well.

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>when there are barely any Empire provinces left, Norscans are marauding through the ruins of Middenheim and Altdorf, and Archaon himself is running around Bretonnia
>And I'm still trying to strangle the last bit of life out of the Wood Elves just to make sure they never ever fuck with me again

>>54795061
yeah

>>54795123
This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a FUCKING ELVES REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>54795061
there's only the 1990s one?

>>54795231
What are you talking about? The '90s one was a full campaign ruleset, the new one was a lighter streamlined version that was released with the hexs they started selling.

>>54793670
Eternal Crusade is recent

>>54795284
I didn't even know they made a 2007 one

anyways yeah I've got it

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>>54795284
He means this one.

>>54795284
http://athenost.blog.free.fr/public/040101_Campagne_DW/mightyempirescol.pdf

>>54795322

Yeah, this is the 1 I wanted the extra rules for

>>54795061
the 2007 set didn't have any of the features you're asking for

>>54794993
Yeah. When you think a bit too hard about it they come across as pitiable. They are basically a race of millions of sentient beings who are condemned from birth to live short lives of constant hunger, hatred, paranoia and fear. They can't even do anything about it because they are under the influence of a chaos god.

The greenskins are a bit more jovial. They kill and get killed all the time but they enjoy it. They're also too thick to feel much pain.

>>54794432
That stock holders info said: "did better than WHF in recent years" not "better than WHF ever did".
Reading comprehension and critical thinking, anon. You are lacking both.

>>54795492

Not in the box, but GW had a PDF on their website that included extra rules, my friends and I used them all the time, but I no longer have a copy on my PC or in print, and I'm still waiting to hear from any of them if they do.

>>54795576

Games workshop has been trending upwards, constantly, warhammer has not, warhammer 40k has, age of sigmar is also trending up

>>54795596
the extra rules were literally the 1990 book

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>>54795157
I aught to try seeing if I can bribe them into actually being diplomatic. I wouldn't mind them so much if I didn't always have to fight them. But no, eventually they'll just unite and grow and form a huge army that's nearly impossible to defeat in a straight fight. They may not attack you at first, even when at war, but eventually they'll smack a settlement or two. And once you do manage to beat that and force them back to their 'nam jungles, lick your wounds, and then try and carry on the campaign of extermination that is the only possible answer (unlike just about any other faction, which you can force into a lasting peace or vassalage), by the time you've managed it they've already got another army out, because it always takes so long.

It's the attrition that's the absolute worst though. You always have to suffer attrition just travelling through Athel Loren, and when you're sieging a settlement the army doing the besieging actually takes attrition (unlike in the mountains or Norsca), so if you wait at all your army will slowly die off. So you bring two armies, partially for the WE's fucking huge garrisons you'll probably need to starve out, and partially so you can hot potato between which force is going to get badly damaged over the next few turns. All the while there are Wood Elf agents assassinating your generals and causing other problems that you just can't deal with.

The only blessed saving grace is that I've never seen them resettle a lost settlement, but god damn, why can't they hit the Wood Elves with the nerf bat, or make them act sane like even the dwarves do? Or am I so retarded that there's an easy answer I've been missing?

>>54795596
if you find it, post it here

>>54795563
So skaven are just greenskins, but designed by an edgy furry?

>>54795627
They actually remind me a bit of Tolkien's orcs.

>>54795619
I just use a mod that makes them way less aggressive. Pretty much only Argwynyon or however the fuck it's spelled ever expands and they rarely get more than one or two settlements. This also means that their army composition is a lot more sane due to them not having the amber to get 10 dragons per army, I've only ever seen one actually.

>>54790013
>Anyone have a better idea?
You're Gotrek

you kill shit around with Felix

>>54789587

Is there a mod to make the Dwarf in Vermintide not 2' tall yet?

Warhammer Dwaves are only supposed to be a little bit shorter than humans on average.

>>54795696
Bardin is manlet by dwarf standards.

>>54790763
>>54790850

Grimgor is the shittest most boring Greenskin special character.

Gorbad
Morglum
Grom
Skarsnik

All better choices for a fighting game.

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>>54795627
They're kind of more of a modern joke in a way - a literal rat race, with a huge percentage of their population slaving away with little to no real chance of upward mobility, despite all they've managed to achieve in the way of industry and technology. But even the ones up top that hold all the power do so jealously, and will never really know any trust or safety. Where greenskins don't care that their lives are short and shit, and beastmen are bitter over the fact that their lives are short and shit, the skaven have convinced themselves that they're better than anyone else, almost as if to ignore how short and shit their lives are. As if to pretend there's some great purpose they're working up towards, even though none of them will ever see it and right now all they can do is propagate the system that's shitting on them.

>>54795735

Accidentally deleted Azhag from that list.

>>54795645
they're like tolkien orcs but with brain damage

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>>54795735
Da git.

>>54795735
Skarsnik or Azhag (Or both) would be the main greenskin representative, and Grimgor would be the super secret boss character who only appears and kicks archaon (the normal boss character) in the nads under certain conditions

>>54795619
>sane
>Wood Eves

Being angry murder hobo fucktards is basically their thing though, especially Tree Hitler.

>>54795696
This. I've got a dwarf in my WHFRP game who wound up being a fucking massive 5'1". I can't even see Bardin half the time.

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>>54795696
So smol.

>>54795954
Well, the Asrai is small as well.

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>>54795977
everyone thinks that elves are tall as fuck
>Kerillian is smol and cute

I wanna pick her up and hug her.

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>>54796005

>>54795927
WFRP.

How do we fix Be'lakor?

>>54796029
By not talking about him.

>>54796029
By just saying that he's a well known daemon prince that is especially scheming and willing to interfere in the mortal world, like how he did with Albion. But he's just another pawn in a game the Chaos Gods don't really care about bound in chains of his own hubris, not just fifteen schemes ahead backstabber trying to make a god of himself and pulling it off with a time reset button.

Like, imagine if that Tomb Kings prince, the one that's pretty much just a skull and scarabs, had the whole deal to try and track down a soul equal to his own, but then he had some universe-fucking powers to morph a guy's soul into being exactly like his own, as long as he kept on pushing the button and tweaking it right, and then he used his new freedom to replace Nagash as ultimate ruler of the dead. It is the story equivalent of 'I shot you, nuh uh I had a force field that turned your bullets back at you.' It's childish.

Speaking of vermintide. are there any youtube videos of their lines?

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>>54796014

>>54795954
>>54796005
She is pretty tall she's just standing next to Victor, the tallest man in the Empire.

>>54796029
By stop posting out of context meme images and fake lore

>>54795954
Why is Saltzpier so based

>>54796162
So is everyone there just really tall, and the dwarf is just average for his race?

>>54789588
I dont know why it bugs me so much they made Wulfrik so good looking. I always imagined him looking like some dirty old homeless man not some chad viking

>>54796209
Good looking vikings sell better than zombie chas warriors.

>>54796162
She is barely taller than the bright wizard.

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>>54796176
No, post all your Be'lakor memes!

>>54794448

Skaven built their tunnels in the great quake

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>>54796228
Kerillian is almost as tall as Kruber, and unless he's also a manlet she's probably near 6'.

>>54795892

which one of the tree hitler?

The "was good once" tree hitler?
The "kill all the meatbags, even the elves" tree hitler"?
Or the titty tree hitler?

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>>54796209
It shows off their super special cinematic trailer a bit better to have a good-looking guy in it. Considering that they won't get many other chances for handsome heroes later on - most of the not-yet-added factions being somehow inhuman, ugly, or undead - I'll let them take their little victory.

And honestly, it's really close to his art, and not that far off from his model. I think both make him look a little more ragged, but not different enough anyone can accuse CA of twisting details.

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>>54796249

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>>54796209
His game model looks close to his art.

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>>54796317

The norse were always shown to be handsome in the art. It's the Empire and notfrench that are usually shown to be ugly. The former for being german, the latter for being inbred.

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>>54796342
forgot my picture.

>>54796285
To be fair, that model looks more "bored sick man" than "champion of the North". I'll take handsome Wulfrik if that's the alternative.

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>>54792936
he female elector count is another one that would be distinctive

>>54793023
Why not add Legendary Lords who have more economic or diplomatic buffs? Like Finubar for the High Elves

He'd be the only Helf leader to start with a very small bonus rep with the dorfs.

>>54796352

That's from a Video game with a different Art direction.

>>54796329

See here. There are few pretty boys in original warhamms. Wulfrik is a 40 something grizzled murderhobo in most depictions. OFC the Video game and nu-hammer kiddy streamlined the grizzlyness

>>54796393
>muh grizzled old bara husbando
fuck off nigger.

When do the Moot get added as a minor faction dlc? Once the Ogre Kingdoms are added in TWW3?

>>54796393
Come on man, even if I agree with your general idea - there aren't many handsome folks in Warhammer - Wulfrik's not that old of a character as far as Warhammer is concerned, and he doesn't look all that grizzled and scared or anything. I can take a serious look at his art and see exactly how closely it matches up to the video interpretation of him, and it's not at all far off. He was a handsome enough dude.

>>54796411
>muh numale over saturated amusement park artwork

>>54792714
*zogpill

>>54796456
>Ogre and Halfling minor factions get released in the same DLC pack
>"The Food Fight Pack"

>>54793049
>The most useless and decadent of the Elector Counts? Really?

Emmanuelle rules Nuln with an iron fist and even has the Emperor himself answering to her on short notice. When threatened directly by a grey seer who was killing people with warp lightning, she revealed herself, confronted him, and defied his commands.

Emmanuelle isn't a warrior or a general or a wizard, but I feel sorry for the poor, stupid fool who crosses her.

>>54796469
>numale
>>>/v/
>>>/tv/
>>>/pol/

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>>54793049
However she's gotten it, she's earned the right to keep it considering what she's gotten Nuln through in her time.

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>>54796508
Since she rules Nuln that easily lends itself to her being based around a shooty army build, comes with passive bonuses to artillery and a discount on them like the Dwarf Slayer King and his Slayers.

Oh, now here's an idea. For a special LL 'monster' mount give her an Empire Landship!
They were originally designed in Nuln afterall with the blessing of the Countess herself.

>>54796460
Look at the artwork and miniature and tell me again he looks like a late 20ish handsome actor. Lore wise he suffers from longterm insanity and Chaos corruption. So fine, if you want to tweak the character for mainstream preferences do so, but dont claim it is lore friendly 100% afterwards.

>>54796565
>bearded buffoon who looks rugged.
>hot actor.
He looks like tormund giantsbane.

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Are you saying that Chaos warriors cannot be handsome?

Anyways, here is what Wulfrik did to his waifu to please the gods. How can you support him? Archaon would never harm an innocent like this.

>Slowly, he reached into the makeshift bundle, lifting from within a gory strip of flesh.

>‘To Khorne, the face I would have kissed,’ Wulfrik called out, his solemn words rolling across the waves. He flung the tatter of soft pale skin into the sea and reached into the bundle for another offering.

>‘To Slaanesh, the heart I would have cherished. To Nurgle the belly I would have filled with sons and daughters.’

>As he made each offering, Wulfrik cast another ghastly prize into the sea. Finally the bag was empty. Slowly, reluctantly, the chieftain removed a lock of golden hair from his belt. He stared sadly at it for a time, then cast it into the sea to join the other offerings.

>‘To Tzeentch, the last hope of love,’ he said, feeling the bitter pain of his loss pulsing through his body.

>>54796565
Look, I don't know what to tell you man - maybe there's a larger bit of art of him out there somewhere that shows something that I can't see now that's been changed, but as far as I can see he looks like his art. Maybe there's something off with his teeth, but they aren't showing that in the video since his mouth is closed, and the only unarmored part of him is his head - I don't see any tattoos or mutations or anything there, just some scars. If he's got Chaos corruption, he's not showing it on the outside, and insanity isn't something they can clearly show. So what's your problem, that they braided his beard? Aside from that you've only got a vague 'they prettyed him up!' and as far as I can tell, they didn't have to do shit.

>>54796627
Dude, his tongue was mutated by the Gift of Tongues.

>>54795619
>Or am I so retarded that there's an easy answer I've been missing?

Yes, actually.

Before Orion has built up his apple tree he's actually fairly poor. As such, you can send him small gifts of about 500g. 3 of these will increase your standing with him by about 30-40. It's not something you can pump out regularly right away, but by the early-mid game (ex. turn 30-45) you should be able to be Mel Gibson's sugardaddy. After you've showered the treehuggers in riches, they'll be happy to sign a NAP which will generally make all the other beta orbiter welfs want one too. Then, you get a defensive pact. Etc. etc.

By the end of things Orion will naturally confederate all the other welfs and you'll suddenly be on great relations with one of the top 5, if not top 3 strongest factions. During the Chaos Invasion (when Archaon & company show up) they'll be at war with Orion. War coordinate with the welfs and send them to murder Norsca for you if you haven't done so already.

>>54796622
How many innocents do you think will die due to Archie's Pissy End Times Road-Trip? He has the blood of all the waifus of the setting on his emo hands.

>>54796664
Collateral damage.

>>54796651
Technically tongues are on the inside, I stand by that they're not showing off any obvious mutations like claws or horns.

>>54796622
>aw fuck dude come on
>only thing I ever ask for are skulls and blood, what is this shit for?

Seriously, what does the face of a lover prove to a god of war and anger?

>>54796627
>omewhere that shows something that I can't see now that's been changed, but as far as I can see he looks like his art. Maybe there's something off with his teeth, but they aren't showing that in the video since his mouth is closed, and the only unarmored part of him is his head - I don't see any tattoos or mutations or anything there, just some scars. If he's got Chaos corruption, he's not showing it on the outside, and insanity isn't something they can clearly show.
Then geht your eyes checked. Original wulfrik has eyebags the size of your mum's udders and wrinkles with the depth oft death Valley.

>>54796651
Where do you see his tongue in game?

>>54796731
Use the 3D model viewer and open his mouth. If his tongue is normal, then CA fucked up.

>>54796743
>and open his mouth

The vast majority of units in TW:WH don't even have eyebrows, why do you think they would model a tongue?

>>54796707
That he has no one else to turn to.

>>54796754
>Wulfrik might have believed the vision nothing but a drunken nightmare had it not been for the changes that had been visited upon his body. He bore the brand of the gods in his flesh, marked not by one, but by all the Great Powers. His tongue had become an inhuman thing, sharp and fluted like that of a bird and he found he could speak any language, however strange to him. The Gift of Tongues, the Kurgan shaman had called this strange power.

Because it's a important part of the characters backstory.

>>54796770
Yeah but it's a strategy game even if you zoom in all the way you'll never see it.

>>54796770
>CA should waste resources making a mutated tongue that you will never see ingame.

>>54796931
>>54796788
Players appreciate attention to detail. Besides Wulfrik has a moving portrait in the select circle. thingy.

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>>54793604

age of reckoning :^)

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>>54795927

It's WFRP.

>>54789587
>Isometric
kys

>>54790763
>Gotrek is the special character
>He becomes increasingly faster and stronger when he loses health

>>54796508
Isn't she also canonically a moron whose terrible at ruining and only interested in parties?

>>54796005
She's taller than she seems, she just hunches.

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>>54796686
So you're saying it was


Nuthin personnel?

>>54797446
see
>>54796546
She seems competent enough, a reputation like that could be just blown out of proportions due to slander by her political enemies or people looking down on a chick as an Elector Count.
The Empire as a nation doesn't seem to like female rulers as much as Kislev

>>54796944
not at the cost of performance. Total war rome 2 and attila have excellent melee combat animations and CA has the largest MoCap studio in europe. Didn't help them when plebs couldn't run complex animations on their toasters.

>>54796097
Yep. Go search it, if you can't find it I'll link it when I get home.

>>54797446
She's vapid and a slut for power - even going ao far as to try and seduce underage ban because they were the likely next Emperor.

But that doesn't mean she can't be a good leader.

>>54797618
>/ss/ for power
Yess~~

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>>54797446
That is her reputation, but under her Nuln has grown immensely rich and powerful, and she has the ear of the most powerful and capable Emperor since Magnus.

People assume because she's a hedonist that she must be ineffective and stupid. Emmanuelle does what a ruler should do: she delegates to capable lieutenants who need her for everything to stay in power, and occasionally disposes of a few boring ones to make sure the rest stay afraid and work hard. She has a reputation as a slut, and it's probably well-earned...but in spite of it, no one can touch her. She was not intimidated by a Chaos creature throwing lightning at her. The Lahmians can't get to her. Chaos has failed to subvert her. Even the witch hunters have to treat her in a manner lyrics fashion, despite Nuln being a key center of power for them. She's very much inspired by Catherine the Great.

>>54797711
When are people going to be inspired by me? I'm pretty great.

>>54796508
Isn't she a Lahmia thrall?

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I've not owned a new Codex for about ten years.

How do they refer to elves based on gender in-setting? Do they simply use man and woman or do they use the Tolkien-y "She-elf" silliness?

>>54798056

man/woman

So why exactly did people start thinking that Sigmar became a god after he left?
Was it some prophetic dream? Or was it some jackass who decided that Sigmar is a god now?

>>54798056
>Codex
I don't think you ever did.

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>>54796959
there is a private server called Return of Reckoning, decent sized community and plenty of daily pvp action

besides, now that the incompetent EA/Mythic/Bioware devs are not messing with the game, bugs are actually being fixed and there has been bunch of balancing work done
the undead game is almost in better shape than the live version

>>54798124
Still feels like nothing more than a WoW clone, sadly. Best use I got out of that was speedhacking so I could check out all of the map.

>>54797976
Nope.

>>54798083
They saw what he did during his life and thought that only s god could do it, same thing what happened to Emps.

Of course, turns out he really did become it, and got trapped in the vortex

>>54798083
>Was it some prophetic dream? Or was it some jackass who decided that Sigmar is a god now?
Yes and Yes

>>54798161
It is a wow clone.

All MMOs are worthless.

>>54789541
Wulfrik must be susceptible against necromancy.

>>54798213
>Imlying Wulfrik wouldn't kill the necromancer before he casts a spell

How hard would it be not to make them offical factions but to just model units for Albion, the Hung, the Kurgan etc and allow main factions to conquer them. It would make the world feel more diverse.

>>54798258
Not really hard I think, Kurgans and Hungs could be mercenaries for Warriors of Chaos/Norsca

>>54798258
The main problem is that you can't edit the campaign map. So you can't add a settlement to Albion for instance or make it accessible.

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>>54792696

>>54798366
>I've seen enough hentai...

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>>54798107
The shop employees called the fantasy books codex too. I had the High elf and Bretonnia book but I mostly played Lord of the rings though

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>>54798549
>spoiler
Fortunate soul, assuming it had a scene and wasn't just you hemorrhaging games with what few people still play it.

>>54798599
Nah, my "local" shop sucked in general, regardless of game I tried to play. Even when you could get a game people always hadn't read the rules or straight up cheated. I did manage to half a few fun and memorable games though. Even if the models weren't a fucking ripoff I wouldn't bother anymore.

For the sake of clarity, I'm not a strict rulefag or anything. It was basic shit like bullshitting Khorne berserkers magically being able to move across the whole board in one turn or LOTR goblins not being able to climb up terrain.

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>>54798662
>Khorne berserkers magically being able to move across the whole board in one turn or LOTR goblins not being able to climb up terrain

>>54796177
Glorious VA

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>>54796177
You just know that Salty and Sienna are gonna end up hatefucking at some point. The dialogue in maps and DLC is progressive, so I await the fallout with considerable amusement.

do people still play vermintide or have I missed the memetrain

>>54799143
Absolutely. It's regularly updated and gets major new content every couple of months or so, it seems. The recent Stromdorf DLC added a boss, even, the very fun Krench.

how come vermintide has far more fanart and fapart than total warhammer?

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>>54798213
Virtually every faction keeps skull decorations/trophies/ornaments of some sort.

For all we know, every single grain of sand in the Warhammer World could, in fact, be a very tiny skull.

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Where do you go to discuss warhammer lewds? I need advise on a story but in lieu of shitting up the thread don't want to link it here, especially since it has the R word, lots and lots of R word.

>>54799219
The heroes mercilessly bullying him was a great moment in the fight

>>54799229
More casual friendly little cooperative game with higher meme potential

>>54799229
One sexy female character with character as opposed to a bunch of identical tiny low-poly models and talking heads.

>>54796707
A skull for the skullthrone

>>54799283
Just link it, this general lost all pretence of decency a long time ago.

>>54799342
>>54799359
then how come DoW got a bunch of fanart and fapart?

>>54799543
Waifu named characters

>>54799543
Dawn of War? That had characters, and memes aplenty (METAL BOXES! - SPESS MAHREENS, WE HAFF FEHLEED THE EMPRAH! - BANEBLAAAAAADE!)

>>54799543
Stupid sexy space elves.

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>>54799440
Ok. There are a number of things but I'll keep to a current sticking point(this one won't even need linking): How far should I go when it comes to violence? Nothing gross like guro or "X eats person's limbs while doing the nasty", just in generally within the story (There are battles too).

The scene I'm on right now is a Beastmen sacrificial ritual of male wood elves souls to Slaanesh. Now I wasn't planning to go into any specific detail in how they're killed, just something "they began to slaughter the elves on the giant altar", but is that still too much? There is no sex is this specific scene. probably

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>>54799609
but glady is cute!

>>54799700
Nigga that's not even PG13. Fucking Gotrek and Felix had druchii sorceresses riding Malekith's elite soldiers while Felix watched and struggled with difficult feelings before they leaned down and killed their mates mid-coitus to summon a daemon.

>>54799739
That man-chin isn't cute.

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>>54799761
>sacrificing elite soldiers
>don't even let them cum
See, this is why dark elves were a mistake.

>>54799739
>not fully black eyes
Actually, I have a box of glade guard on me right now and they don't have black eyes on the cover. Is this some shit from 8th or what?

>>54799903
The black eyes is mainly a thing from 6th edition.

>>54799769
>not wanting a strong waifu to bear you many children.

>>54799903
The dark eyes were a thing in 6th edition and arguably in the rpgs, if I remember correctly.

>>54799951
I'll get with a Cathayan or Kislevite then.

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>>54799769

>>54800002
Don't know why, but these look more like ancient brittons to me.

>>54800002
>click on an wardancer.
>"Rawr :3"
kinda feel bad that you will never meet an elf waifu in the aftermath of a wild hunt and spend time nursing her back to health and fall in love with her.

>>54800002
You are only diging yourself deeper.

>>54799761
It's more just leaving a bad taste in the mouth of the reader I'm concerned about. When you think about it even without detailed violence the situation of being rounded up and mass slaughtered (I'm only thinking 30-40 dudes) on an avatar of chaos so said god can eat your souls forever is kind of fucked up.
Especially when I add the context (which I probably should have also laid out in the first place in retrospect), that the females in the captured scout kindreds were turned into sex slaves by the beasts in scenes prior.

>>54798187
She is in my campaign now. Much more interesting

>>54800028
She'd just kill you you know, wood elves see humans as amusing things to hunt.
Now of she were asur you might actually stand .0001% of her being thankful, but still no love.

>>54800082
It's got a little bit of 'muh fetish' overtones, but overall that's nothing to write home about. There's been worse. Any fear of 'leaving a bad taste' in audiences mouths will come down to your skill as a writer.

>>54800082
It's not particularly extreme by Warhammer standards.

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Surprise, bitches.

>>54796029
Return him to his role of a failure whose only task is crown the next everchosen because he thought his dick was bigger than how it really was

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>>54800161
>'muh fetish' overtones
Well it's still a fapfic at the end of the day, a long one with lots of story, but the porn is more the focus of the story than the other way around.

>>54800351
>>54800161
Needs more Female Dwarf on Female Mootlander action

Do we know anything about Ind or Nippon, or life in the Lustrian colonies?
Also if you were transported to warhammer world as a noble, where would you live?

>>54800185
Are those fimm? I thought the only fimir planned were mercenary/Chaos-tainted balefiend dirachs.

>>54800574
Both Fimm and Dirachs are in.

>>54800185
This is Rape Culture

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What did they mean by this?

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>>54800650

>>54800554
>Nippon
Strict caste system enforced by samurai, xenophobic
>Ind
People have a shit ton of traditions regarding the gods they live with. Land of a thousand gods indeed.

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>>54800650
Fucking norscans, stop stealing my shit!

>>54800650
Attention on deck: UH OH

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Discord chat about Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, but all warhammer fantasy talk is welcome.
https://discord.gg/xTGSZbU

Please start including this channel on the OP posts.

>>54800650
You done fucked up

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>>54800650
So this means that Tomb Pimps will be the next faction?

>>54800850
>human woman
nani

Mate of mine works for CA.

Warhammer 2
>Tomb Kings - Around mid November
>Dogs of War - Around late January
>Araby - Around March
>Vampire Coast free DLC -May 2018.

Warhammer 3

4 Chaos Factions
Kislev
Ogre Kingdoms
Chaos Dwarves

>>54800972
Sounds kinda believable, shame we'll have to wait for Kislev for so long, assuming you are telling the truth

>>54800972
My dad works for Nintendo and says your mate is full of shit