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>>54760539
>Dat warwagon

Are Gotrek and Felix in TW:W yet?

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I am Prince and Pilot.

Herohammer was great. I miss that style of fantasy wargaming.

You know how you can't copyright rules? Why doesn't someone just release 5th ed with new fluff and a new setting?

>>54758970
>A shitty one that doesn't make any sense or belong in Warhammer, which sums up half-breeds perfectly.

Halfbreeds aren't an issue in fantasy, because they're not massively widespread or focussed on. We know hey are a thing and they do happen, but it only serves to act as a function of character in most instances.

Also, having halfbreeds gives a good basis for arguing that vampirism can affect more than just humans.

Wait a second something doesn't add up.

Malekith met high king Snorri Whitebeard in -4000, yet Bel-Shannar meets Snorri in -2800 or smth.
I thought dwarfs lived centuries, not millenia

>>54760713
Dwarfs live as long as the plot demands.

>>54760713
Certain Dwarfs archieve a state of more or less immortality if they still got some unfinished business.

Does anyone have a link to 5th edition material?

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Is there any footage of my Skaven bros yet in Total War 2?

>>54760826
Dwarfs can outstubborn death.

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Old low quality but very detailed map I made a while back.

>>54760677
don't bother. Neckbeards get buttblasted at the concept of love overcoming all odds.

>>54761232
Only a neckbeard would contort the existence of halfbreeds to meaning love overcomes all odds.

>>54760539

>unnamed hack'n'slash genre Warhammer vidya.

Dynasty Warriors: Warhammer. calling it now.

>You must not pursue Karl Franz!

>>54761934
I would pkay that game and not regret it for a moment. Doubly so if it's more like Dynasty Warriors: Empires.

Question for /wfrp/ers and general lore fiends - a player of mine has been tossing around the idea of having a character that's essentially a soul possessing it's own body after a fuck up by a local cult - trying to summon a demon, but the soul they sacrificed just got trapped back.

I kind of like the idea but I'm not sure how it'll work in the setting. Any comments on if it could?

>>54760539
I like the halfling at the right of the picture pointing forward with a chicken leg while the rest of his bretheren hide behind a fence

>>54760539
Jesus, that colour scheme. Was this around the same time Chaos had it's "Red" Phase?

>>54762326
Anon everything had its red phase around this time. Honestly I find it very charming. After this period imo there was a decline in the art etc.

>>54760539
What the hell is that wagon with the dudes shooting out of it?

>>54762431
War wagon. Someone looked at a tower with gunmen on it and said 'slap some wheels on it' and called it a day.

>>54762389
I think 6ed had some of the best art, but I'm biased - I started with 6ed and my dad had an orc tattoo from that time on his back.

>>54762389
I wouldn't call it a decline, but the art certainly changed focus and sort of codified the setting.

>>54760875
Nice job. What were you making it for?

>>54761881
Too much love and peace requored, they should be murdering each other en masse.

>>54762956
Your thread is over here >>54760661

Can non-humans be vampires?

>>54760673
We need a OSR wargaming community to pop up first

>>54763200
Yeah. There is a dwarf vamp. in one of Genevieves books.

>>54762326
Everything was red back then, even the shields and spear shafts. Especially the spear shafts.

>>54763879
>Red shields, blue wheels baby.
>Reikland all the way

>>54763017
I'm not wrong.

>>54763920
I disagree.

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>>54763980
>world is an excuse for ceaseless violence
>let's add something that lessens the chances for said violence

>>54764166
>world is a fantasy settig used as a device to tell fantasy stories and sell miniatures
>let's remove something that gives room for more stories and sales

WFRP for life.

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>>54764300
>wfrp
>selling miniatures

>>54760677
How many halfbreeds are mentioned in the setting? I can only think of the one from Gileads Blood.

>>54764527
Your mom is an ogre.

>>54764527
I don't think that counts as solid evidence for half breeds.

In the context of the novel, that story is being told by an old man who reveals he was the half-elf from the story. It's entirely probable that he was just exaggerating for the sake of a good story.

>>54765052
>I am actually half-halfling

>>54766076
kek

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Soon

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Drachenfels LL W H E N ?

>>54770963
LL?

>>54771334
Lesser Lovechild.

>>54771334
Legendary Lord, the term for unique generals in TWW.

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Does anyone have the source for the story of Angkor? I'm trying to figure out if it's canon or not.

>>54771590
I vaguely remember there being some fluff about the Kurgan, in the distant past, worshiping a great mammoth, and then some Chaos dude corrupted the Mammoth god and now all the other mammoths serve Chaos.

>>54771700
That's the one, I just want to know which supplement/book it came from

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>>54771716
Forgeworld I think.

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>>54771716
This is apparently an official PDF, even if it doesn't look it. Forgeworld stuff.

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>>54760539
Soon

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if WHRP had rules for it, would you want to try playing as a Dark Elf slave - with the idea being that it was possible to escape and make your way from there back to the Old World, down to Lustria, or wherever you could manage to go?

>>54772230
Eh, trying to be a human pet to a cute (and strong) dark elf like how gnoblars are pets to ogres seems more feasible.

>>54772277
So you'd want to spend the whole gaming being a pet? Sounds a bit boring.

>>54772310
As opposed to running into Lustria and getting eaten by a dinosaur?
How about an orc slave starting a rebellion?

>>54772366
Sure, not getting eaten by dinosaurs is safe, but the game isn't quite made for just living day to day lives or anything. A little risk is part of the adventure!

I guess you could do that, but why not have a human or elf slave start a rebellion? Then there's room for a bit more skullduggery and sabotage, and there can be an end goal beyond 'fighting shit.'

https://www.games-workshop.com/it-IT/Age-of-Sigmar-Spire-of-Dawn-ENG

Rat Ogres, Prince on Griffon, even new models for swordmasters, Ellyrian raiders and sea guard

Honestly, i'd buy it

>>54771859
That was on FW's website before they released Tamurkhan.

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>>54760539
>delves are americans
>helves are brits
>the true king of the elves turns out to be malekith all along

was this just GW trying to give another fuck you to its fans while burning down WHFB or is there meaning in it?

>>54772586
Probably not. The Dark Elves aren't really American/Canadian at all, and Naggaroth looks almost nothing like North America. There are mountains about where the Rocky Mountains should be, and the Hudson Bay, but that's about it - it's actually probably one of the more original locations in Warhammer Fantasy, as far as how close it is to its real world counterpart is concerned.

The real reason, as far as I understand it, is that GW thought it'd be an interesting twist, and for some reason the High Elves got all the kicks. Their gods were never really with them, everything had been fucked over for them, and their champions were all rendered false and base.

>>54772419
It's easier to see an orc standing up to a cold one, not so much an abused and starving human.

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Can someone tell me which novel this is from. I read the end times books and oddly remember this scene being far less detailed and interesting

>>54772655
It's just the great lakes area. Cold, bleak, full of industry, and overcrowded human suffering.

>>54772473
>new

Nani???

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>>54772710
It totally looks like the Hudson bay though - open to the outside ocean, the land around it kinda looks like that part of Canada. And even then, I honestly don't think a bunch of British folks would know or care that much about the specifics of American culture, let alone include it in their pretty European-focused wargame.

>>54772230
But WFRP does have rules for playing a slave?

Played something close to what you were suggesting, but as a warslave for a norscan raider party.

>>54762145
Sounds like it could work.

>>54772586
Ulthuan is Atlantis, you fucking mong. Albion is Britain.

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>>54772939

Can you make a Dark Elf PC in WFRP 2e?

>>54773023
The munchkin in me feels like something could be utilized with a career that costs nothing to enter.

>>54773105
Use elf, replace longbow spec with rep. crossbow spec. Add specialisation Torture. Change language. Done.

Is Nurgle the only Chaos God who hates the undead? If not, then how much do Khorne/Tzeentch/Slaanesh and Chaos in general hate them?

Can a Vampire possibly turn to Tzeentch or Slaanesh if they end up deciding to make a pact with the Chaos Gods?

>>54773343
Don't forget
>see wife with at least 5 other men is mandatory for backstory

So why is the WHFB lexicanum in such a sorry state, especially when compared to the 40k one?

>>54773503
Unpopularity of WFB.

>>54772746
Hey they're new for me. I never really played elves

>>54773443
Harry seems to gate undead pretty seriously.

Drachenfels was undead...ish and seemed to have some sort of relationship with the Chaos Gods.

>>54773503
It's actually better in German, so it's mostly a problem of the mods.

I don't mind it too much though - they've actually been going through a flurry off adding old characters and bits of lore.

>>54773443
Walach Harkon became khornate doesn't he? There was Bloodquest crossover where Blood Angels were turned into Blood Dragons and went to fiht in Eternal Battle.

>>54773105
Not by default, but it's very easy to do:

Give them the Torture skill.

Change Specialist Weapon Group (Longbow) to (Crossbow)

>>54760539
So what's with some of the units in Norsca that has the frost bite trait? how does that tie into the lore?

>>54773944
I don't think it does, I think it's just a nifty mechanic added to make certain factions in the unit more unique.

>>54773983
so what, no monsters in norsca really has the power to give their enemies freezing boners? Then isn't that pointless on Ca's part?

>>54774111
I don't know off the top of my head trips, but sometimes CA has been tweaking the lore and mechanics. Like how Bretonnian infantry is shitty, but you don't use nearby knights to help keep them in line.

The frostbite thing isn't pointless - it's a mechanic that helps set the faction apart, and it probably would be fitting for some icy units. And it could potentially be reused for some Kislevite units in the future.

>>54774212
>potentially be reused for some Kislevite units in the future

HOLY 4D CHESS, LORE OF ICE CONFIRM!!

>Bretonnian infantry is shitty
because they are peasants?

>>54774111
I can't recall any off of the top of my head from the RPG, and the RPG is where most information on Norsca comes from since it's never had a specific army in WFB.
It's not pointless any more then then making units of 100+ people instead of the 20-odd (or less) model units that were likely to be in the wargame.

They're just making a cool thing for the game, that's all. Nothing wrong with it.

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>>54774240
The Bret infantry bit was just pointing out how the game, in a good few ways, isn't really like the tabletop. But yeah, they are peasants, though I kind of love them for it. They can do surprisingly well even if you don't have a Grail Reliquae handy.

>>54774111
There have been monsters in the lore, particularly those mentioned in the Ogre books, which are ice age beasts and dragons with ice powers. It's not unprecedented.

>>54774417
Speaking of, what happened to rhinoxes? All I can find now is mournfangs.

>>54774392
>grail pilgrim
>shielded with frenzy

best meat shield ever.

>>54760539
Any old grogs here know how much the army in OP's pic cost back in the day?

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>>54774682
Men-at-Arms with Swords (Shields) cannot compete, and with a Grail Reliquae I've seen them keep fighting on into the single digits - even without it, they can be trusted to hold the line a lot longer than most. Even from a design standpoint they're great, since most Men-at-Arms look exactly alike, and they really stand out with their high collars and bright colors.

>>54760539
>unnamed hack'n'slash genre Warhammer vidya.
wait what?

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Why don't the Slann just use magic to make an impassable mountain around the Chaos Wastes?

>>54775567
Daemons will dig through.

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>>54775567
Because that wasn't the plan of the old ones.

>>54775567
Chaos Wastes would twist passages through those mountains, probably with skull-like gateways. Great job, now no one from outside can invade the Chaos Wastes, it's too well defended and fucked up on the inside anyway.

>>54775723
>Invade the Chaos Wastes.

How often has that happened?

>>54775618
Neither was the mountain range Mazdamundi made to prevent Dark Elves from entering Lustria by land.

Unless the fluff said otherwise. Hmm, I need to check again.

>>54775590
>Dwarf v. Skaven v. Gobbos v. Tunnelling Daemons
>Trying to stay sane in a twisting subterranean hellscape dominated by intestinal tunnels leading to acid pits, the constant looking threat of toxic gas wracking your lungs, blistering warpfire that makes stone run like blood or just the constant threat of goblin knives finding you in your sleep.
>And the noises.
>The constant chittering of stone mouths clickety-clacking in mute horror, of good dwarfs melted alive into the granite walls and trapped alive. Forever part of the war that claimed them.

>>54772366
I don't know, a New World 'start a colony' game could be kinda fun for a change of pace.

>>54774914

You used to be able to pick up decent sized army boxes with metal and plastic models for around £125, so I'd say that army wouldn't have cost more than 200 ish.

>>54775567
I like how everyone is screaming to give him more power.

>>54777292
SCREAMING
WITH HIGH MAGIC

Assuming that the average State Troop is 5'9" tall, how tall would the average Dwarf Warrior, Elf Spear Warrior, Chaos Warrior and Ogre Bull, respectively, be?

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>>54760860
SSSSREEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK
let not the man things see usssss

>>54760860
Two more rituals. Expect something in the next two weeks.

>>54777741
4 feet
six feet w/o helmet
6feet+
8-10 feet

>>54760875
>2/10
Still missing the gulf next to myrmidia.

>>54772699
The final book. Lord of the End Times.

>>54761954
The Empires games are my favorite of the DW series, if they kept expanding on the rpg qualities I'd love them even more.

>>54770963
He would be the lord of a Rogue Army, that combined demon, undead and greenskin troops.

Defeating him would be the requirement to recruit Genevieve

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>>54773524
Drachenfels was a Bad Ass MotherFucker, he told the Chaos Gods he was taking some demons for his multi-cultural army of darkness and they said YES SIR!

>>54778106
No. Like everything Drachenfels said, it was pure bullshit.

Also Drachenfels was perma-killed by a mere human.

Before that he was BTFO by Sigmar. He became a minor footnote in history compared to Sigmar's fights against M'kat and Nagash.

>>54778150
Wasn't he killed by a vampire that was serving as an Avatar for Sigmar the God

>>54778150
Morkar*

Anyways, Drachenfels makes an appearance in TW as a event for the Vampire Counts.

>>54778159
Playwright.

And you bullshit all you want about Sigmar but there are Chaos characters and other Undead characters like Azazel, one random Bloodthister, Morkar, Krell, and mighty Nagash himself who fought Sigmar personally. Each one came close to destroying him. Nagash even in his weakened form was on a level that Sigmar could not comprehend. Sigmar would have never been able to defeat Nagash in a straight up fight. Nagash would have destroyed him with a thought but guess what protected Sigmar? Nagash's own crown.

Comparatively, Drachy was humbled by Sigmar and got forgotten by history.

>>54778198
Continued...amendment. Killed by a playwright. Came back again and then got killed by a vampire lady.

>>54778198
"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. They aaaaaaall lost, no matter their gay stammered excuses.

>>54778198
I suspect Drach had a slow, steady power decline. He is supposed to be older than the arrival lf the Old Ones and led Demon Armies without drinking the coolaid.

By the time of Drachenfels, even when he first gets 'dropped' by Oswald he's basically just an old hermit in a shack on a hill.

Drach was prpbably a beast in his prime to survive as long as he had and to amass the armies he had, but that first smackdown by Sigmar...he never really got over it.

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>beastmen are based off the german barbars who ran around fucking up rome
>but the empire is also based on germans
>so the beastman vs empire war is german cavemen fighting future germans

Nice setting dotards

>>54772710
So Detroit, but with industry?

>>54778533
>acting like you wouldn't love to see teutonic knights throw down against the ss.

>>54778538
I would, but instead we got barbars vs wewuzcharlemagne

>>54778538
Not going to lie, it would be cool to see WHFB armies with different degrees of societal and technical advancement through the ages. Like, a "historical" living Nekaharan army or Unberogen army, or a future "what if" where the Empire has bolt-action rifles and pickelhaubes, and is using notKrupp steel for their knights.

>>54778537
Less murder and rape, too, than the actual D.

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So have you ever used fimir in one of your games? Did you use the warpstone take on them, WFRP 1e's take, Chaos tainted ones, something elae?

How'd they go over, and we're they fun for you and your group?

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Are you allowed to talk about Total War: Warhammer in GW stores, or will they start trying to aggressively sell you something to make you stop?

Question I asked in the other thread too.

I'm interested in doing an Araby campaign for Mordheim, and wanted to know what minis would make for good camels for going alongside WHFB plastics.

What kind of magic item might a Grey Seer have for WFRP?

>>54778822
I have never played WFRP but if I were DM'ing I'd give them Warpstone Tokens that if they were chewed on would grant them a bonus on casting spells with a higher miscast chance

>>54778598
I used the Firmir as one of the major factions alongside Skaven and Gobbos in a 'Dark Beneath the World' campaign. A modified take of them based on 1ed WFRP with a dabble of moleman thrown in.

Players were a bit meh on the concept, until they discovered the Firmir raiding a skaven den and getting their hands on a broodmother. Then they started to get interested.

>>54778822
Player or big bad ?

>>54778900
>until they discovered the Firmir raiding a skaven den and getting their hands on a broodmother. Then they started to get interested.
In their pants?

>>54760539
Oh hey, the imperial war wagon. I forgot that thing existed.

>>54778900
I like them as an evil race that still hates most of humanity's foes and has a complex, tainted kinship with them. They hate Chaos as betrayers and destroyers. They hate greenskins for the same reason everyone does. They loathe the sterility made overwhelming by the undead. They even hate the skaven, who they have warred with.

Friendless, doomed, bitter. But not dead yet.

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How would you stat autoguns in different Warhammer Fantasy systems to properly differ them from the primitive firearms already seen in the setting.

>>54763823
>Dwarf vamp
>Vampires are inherently magic creatures
>Dwarfs turn to stone when channeling Winds of magic
Really makes you think

>>54778934
In the marketability of mass bred firmir shock troops, raised to be loyal-ish mercenaries.

>>54778989
That just opens possibilities to make them more unique, like Dwarf Vampires are less bestial garygoyles being humanoid beings of semi-stone, would make them notably tougher than other breeds of vampire.

>>54778989
Do dead dwarfs still resist magic? What happens to dwarf souls?

>Dwarf vamps. turn to stone, fighting this transformation is their driving goal.

>>54774669
Still there, but moved to FW

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>>54763200
As of modern lore, the answer is 'unknown.' As far as anyone knows, it's never been attempted, or at least never succeeded. See: Night's Dark Masters.

>>54763823
This anon is technically correct, but that lore predates modern vampire or dwarf lore. Back then dwarfs could use magic and some adventurers did, and the vampire origin and bloodlines did not exist.

I doubt if dwarfs or Halflings could be made vampires, being inherently unmagical by nature. Elves might be able to, but the one example even in the End Times was retconned as a mistake. Skaven make an interesting case, as unbelievably powerful they are in dark magic. However, it's worth remembering the elixir was made for HUMANS, and may be less than worthless to other kinds.

>>54779034
>What happens to dwarf souls?

Either they go to the halls of their ancestors or reside in the grave awaiting the call of Grungi, Valaya, and Grimnir to rise and do battle when the End Times arrive. Sources differ.

>>54778896
That's exactly what they are in-game. You can also get addicted.

>>54778900
Player.

So who has the best pre battle speeches, and why is it Grombrindal?

>>54779124
>HUMANS, and may be less than worthless to other kinds.
>thinking there is a limit to the glory of Nagash's genius

But seriously, I'd say there could be an argument made, given the nature of their Old One Uplifting Origins, that half-breeds + cross species vampirism could be possible for the same reasons. Really a GMs call though, but it could make for some interesting characters.

Question: how old is the dwarfs turning to stone because of magic lore? Chaos Dwarfs are a bit of an odd case because the argument could be made that they're turning because of the nature of their deal with Hashut - especially since that lore and dwarf magicians existing were contiguous.

>>54779170
For a player I'd keep it lowkey. Playing as a grey seer already gives them a lot of push over others, throwing a magical weapon onntop might just piss off other players.

That said, try rolling a random one from the tables in Apocrapha Now and see what you get.

>>54779471
>That said, try rolling a random one from the tables in Apocrapha Now and see what you get.

What, for 2e? Got a link?

>>54773013
>naval power
>capital full of immigrants
sounds like Britain to me

>>54779541
1e, should be in the links in OP otherwise google for it in Scribd. Mechanics are fairly identical to 2e but feel free to adjust - it'll help get ideas at the very least.

>>54779034
>vampire dwarves are Zargon

>>54779554
They're both Britain. Albion is pre-Roman picts and Celt eek ooks. The High Elves clearly imitate Britain with their global Empire, naval supremacy, lion symbolism, conflicts with the continent, and diminishing power. Hell, they even have rebels in the Americas. Of course it's not 1:1, their royalty more closely resembles Japan.

>>54779728
What does Warhammer's Japan have? Even less passing mentions than WH's China?

Seems like it should be a second Albion, Truthsayer style servants of the Old Ones leading Oni's, Spirits and mortal ninjas (including KAMIKAZE individuals strapped with containers of blasting powder) to protect the stones built to keep Chaos restrained.
Ships that try to land on the island for loot & conquest are frequently sunk by mysterious "divine winds".

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>>54779792
They used to have a few minis back in...3rd edition I think? Swordmasters of Nippon, a rocket crew, and a ninja. These "classic models" were used by some guys at GW Poole for a Cathay campaign in Mordheim, Border Town Burning.

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>>54779918
They had a set of 'Oriental Heroes' (which you can still buy from Wargames Foundry) as well as some more Samurai, Ninjas and an Oriental Dragon.

>>54779471
Something like +10% to channeling work?

>>54780173
Good choice. Nice and subdued, but really useful to a mage with survival on the mind.

>>54780151
>dat price

>>54780173
Or channeling as,a free action. That's the magic item I always give to wizards who formally graduate to master - a master's stave. Useful and it has an RP value.

Okay dudes this just came up in my head. What happens if the Everqueen instead of having a daughter, gets a son?

Do they raise him as a girl? Will he take on the role of the Everqueen when he grows up?

>>54780370
Don't be lewd, Toho.

>>54780370
Boy gets sacrificed and they try again.

>>54780370
they try again I suppose.
Maybe they use magic to have a female child.

>>54772678
A battle hardened veteran, an outlaw from Black Forest, a vicious throat cutter press ganged into navy, they all could do it.

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who /pikeandshot/ here?

>>54780725
Not after a year in Naggaroth.

>>54778747
Lord of the Rings has camelry, Haradrim or something.

>>54780635
>>54780563
Why are you so against a transgender Everqueen?

>>54778533
Autistic screeching about historical inaccuracy of faction lore loosely related to real events in fantasy battle game about wizards, liches and beastmen.
This is why I come here.

>>54781314
Aside from the fact that it would be an unecessary inclusion? It breaks the line of the Everqueen.

>>54781133
> not channeling the inner Rygel

>>54778533
Antique germans were far from cavemen...

>>54778550
>wewuzcharlemagne
Ever cared to read a book? Charlemange was around 800. The Empire is more 30 years war. That's around 800 years later...

>>54778575
In universe historical armies would be neato. Living Khemri. Strygos. Early Empire.

>>54781371
Sigmar is Conan meets Charlemagne, idiot.

>>54781387
I remember way back, White Dwarf had rules for Elves and Dwarves in the War of the Beard. (Dwarves didn't get Gyrocopters/guns, but had easier access to Runes, and more Longbeard. I forget what the Elves got).

Living Khemri would be dope. Ditto a Strygos army. Hell, you could get all headcanon and write rules for a unified Tilea, led by the Reman Empire if you wanted. I guess I just want an excuse to field NotRoman Legions in Fantasy. Who needs magic and guns when you have Scorpion batteries, testudos, and concrete?

>>54781338
Are you saying that transgender persons cannot have children?

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When it says Damage 1, does that mean 1d10+1, or just 1?

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Okay someone with more legal knowledge that me explain something. GW obviously squatted WHFB cause all the stuff in it barring a few things were not copyright friendly. They wanted a setting where they could squeeze out third party sellers without having to sue each individual one for copyright infringement.
Has that actually happened? Have third party sellers for AoS dried up? Cause it seems to me that they killed a decades old setting, rebranded everything with lame copyright friendly names, altered the rules, and it still hasn't solved the problem they set out to correct, since third party sellers still exist. If anything, they created competitors in terms of both rules and minis due to the backlash.
Or was it all just a bunch of Kirby stupidity that Roundtree now has to manage?

>>54781650
>Or was it all just a bunch of Kirby stupidity that Roundtree now has to manage?
Pretty much this. I imagine current management is pretty pissed off they can't get on the TW gravy train.

>>54781624
1d10+1

It's a holdover from when WFRP was compatible with WFB, because it would be the equivalent of a strength 1 hit.

>>54781650
They killed the goose that laid the golden egg, effectively.
Their most valuable asset is their IP, and their IP was getting stolen. So in order to stop their IP being stolen, they destroyed it so no one could have it.

>>54781681
Thanks man. I never played WFB, I'm a WotC refugee.

>>54781715
What a bunch of dumb fucking suits with their heads so far up their asses.

>>54781442
You wrote versus, so the two fighting. Not mixing the two.

>>54781680

Rountree is on a short leash held by Kirby.

Management at GW corporate is awful, and in the US it's even worse.

How do I know this? I am a holder of Uncle Tom's little black book.

>>54781807
No I didn't.

>>54781715
The derpy thing is many of the things they sell are fairly iconic, or at least good for general-purpose use. Stuff like Wood Elves, Giants, etc, are all easy to co-opt for D&D games or otherwise.

The real issue WHFB had was that it was a system where you "needed" lots of identical minis for rank-and-file bonuses but they were effectively glorified wound-counters, and 8th skewed the game even more towards big blocks & blockbusting spells, while making maneuver matter even less. Which in itself led to relatively boring games.

>>54781562
There is no Phoenix Queen, so yes, two males cannot have biological children

>>54781968
The Phoenix King isn't a literal requirement to bed the Queen and produce the next one, its just a baseless tradition

There's occasions where its skipped, like when the King is her father.

>>54781968
Not with that attitude.

>>54781680
It's not like anything is stopping them from hopping back on that train. GW's problem is, and has always been, that they won't drop prices or make their rules accessible. It's always been "offer less plastic for more money, and buy these increasing expensive books with angel skin binding".

Now that there is a game out where you can experiment with army builds and battle formations, tons of people are interested in seeing their army on a table top, which conveniently isn't that easy to do since they stopped supporting anything that isn't age of shitmar.

Would be really easy to turn around though. I mean all you have to do is use your pre-existing logistics network to sell a bunch of cheap plastic to people who want to buy it based on branding and a computer game. TWW is the exact technological shot in the arm the game needed to push armies: something that lets you play before you pay 500$ for an army, and gives you the experience you can sort of expect on a table top.

>>54778533
"based off" is strong wording. beastmen's fighting style was loosely inspired by the idea of goths and huns outmaneuvering the more heavily armored roman legions.

>>54782092
>It's not like anything is stopping them from hopping back on that train. GW's problem is, and has always been, that they won't drop prices or make their rules accessible. It's always been "offer less plastic for more money, and buy these increasing expensive books with angel skin binding".
I wouldn't say that. I'd have killed for Fantasy versions of some of 40k's Start Collecting boxes.

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I can't help it anymore, I need to start a Chaos Dwarf army. How annoyed would you be if your opponent used old metal Bull Centaurs as Renders, assuming they were on monstrous beast bases?

>>54781989
>elves
>not autistic about tradition.
come on now. they are almost dorf tier.

>>54782404
I don't think most people know that FW makes chaos dwarves, so you're in the black.

>>54764384
Not him, but reminder that political neutrality enables 2v2 games.

>>54775835
The third law says they can defend themselves unless it contradicts the first or second law.

>>54762431
Warwagon. Kislev unit

>>54779195
I prefer Shogun 2 speeches.

They are relevant to the specific battle conditions and you get one every time you feel like watching it and not just on character quests.

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What's this place called? Looked it up but can't find it anywhere. Do elves live there too?

>>54782724
So can you actually invade Athel Loren and burn it to the ground?

massif orcal
Its where orcs are in bretonnia so that bretonnians aren't completely a joke.

>>54782776
>total war Warhammer 3
>play as Araby
>burn down all three elven factions and take their women as slaves
A man can dream.

...Y'know what's strange
It feels like GW is making biggest marketing for warhammer fantasy(vidya tie-ins) AFTER they desroyed it

>>54782776
I may be wrong but I believe the beastmen campaign's endgame is focused on doing that, since beastmen especially hate elves for being the perfect beings (the lore's words).

>>54782724
That's Massif Orcal. You might be able to find some information in the Quenelles section of Knights of the Grail.

>>54782905
It's almost as if GW is the gamefreak of tabletop miniature companies.

>>54782911
What? Well, I only read one armybook of them, but it was 90% beatsmen vs humans.

>>54782822
I think there's a high chance of Araby being a DLC faction for TWWII.
For one thing, the map covers the Southlands. And Araby is right in the middle of the action - directly between the Southlands, Ulthuan, the Land of the Dead and the Old World.
CA have also shown their willingness both to include minor factions with a barebones roster at release that they expand later (Bretonnia) and to create new brand new material that GW barely covered (Norsca).

Also they can't proxy Araby with Empire troops like they did with Tilea, Estalia and Kislev. And with Norsca they've already invested in the skeleton and animations for elephants.

>>54782911
I'm pretty sure that while the beast men hate all symbol of civilisation, they particularly hate the Asrai for dedicating a large part of their existence to fucking beastman shit up

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>>54782822
>WH3
>genocide smelly brown "people" and make the world a better place

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>>54783075
>engaging a landwar in a massive desert with renaissance era technology
Okay.
The south is ours, slave

>>54783075
>>>/pol/
Also where the hell are we supposed to buy slaves in if they are gone?
Dark elves would rather stab you, chaos is a no-no, chaos dwarves-same as dark elves

>>54783150
Araby, Norsca, who else uses slaves from the human nations?
Maybe some orientals?

>>54783175
Border princes? Since they don't have many laws

>>54782822
You really just want that Elf harem, dontcha.

Incidentally, other than Araby, IIRC the only other notable examples of harem harems in WHFB were Tomb Kings (as the reason for there being so many Tomb Princes by comparison), and Imperial nobles in Mordheim having enslaved a bunch of Amazonians. (though I forget if that's truly canon, since they were an unofficial Town Cryer warband). Said Amazonians escaped on the night of the comet by doing a Sexy Amazonian Dance to...distract their captors. *ahem*

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>>54783150
>raysis to talk about killing brown people
>totally ok to talk about killing, raping, and enslaving white people

i want reddit to fuck off

>>54783279
>Implying Elves are people.

>>54783279
>it's not okay for a faction known to own a boatload of slaves to own a boatload of slaves
Oh but when the dark elves do it it's okay.

>>54783307
I bet he's a chaos dwarf

>>54783295
>implying sandniggers are people

>>54783279
I'm againt genocide in general
Well except genocide of skaven, I mean by Ulric it's do they deserve to be wiped out

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>>54783150
>Also where the hell are we supposed to buy slaves in if they are gone?

Imperial slavers exist, though often working in a clandestine manner. Apparently a common tactic is to import Bretonnian peasants who, used to serfdom, cooperate quite well.

Several ports are known for their scum and villainy economies, among them Marienburg and Erengrad, but also Mousillon.

Sartosa, the famous freeport, sees sales in flesh.

The Norse sell and take thralls.

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>>54783319
>wealthiest
>best learned
>smart enough to talk with norsecans into trading rather than pillaging
>best horses
>no forests filled with beastmen
Meanwhile you can't even give all your soldiers shoes.

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>>54783441
none of those are true except the norsca one maybe because you are both subhuman trash. are you trying to meta the we wuz meme or something?

>>54783441
>Best learned
>Not a single invention
Try harder chaos lover, everyone knows Empire is the best nation, and it's soldiers are so good that they don't even need shoes

>>54783518
Why is Nippon so huge, especially compared to Cathay, when its based on Japan?

>>54783518
I always looked at this map and wondered how beastmen didn't overrun everything
Also what's so special about dragon isles, they sound interesting

>>54773944
The Frost Bite trait is present in the wargame. Granted, it's not present in Ice Wolves or Ice Giants but Frost Dragons and Ice Trolls have that kind of thing. In both their cases it takes a different form. Frost Dragons on the tabletop have an icy breath that makes those hit have to take a toughness test or die while Ice Trolls have Frenzy and Armor Piercing as opposed to their regular counterparts.

>>54783441
>wealthiest

And yet they can't even unify.

>Best Learned

Maybe centuries ago, but these days the centers of human learning are Nuln and Altdorf.

>Norscans

Raid and trade with everyone, including the durkas.

>horses

Sorry, that'd be Bretonnian horseflesh. Arabyan horses are good, but Vedlt horses are better all-rounders the Kislevite breeds are by far the hardiest

>No beastmen

Instead you have tomb kangz, necromancers, pissed djinni, and nomadic sand niggers.

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>>54783518
>we wuz
Nigga, we iz.
you do know Araby isn't Africa right?

>>54783553
Maybe the map is innacurate? Or maybe it's not a 1:1 fantasy version of Japan.

>>54783595
Who needs unity when you have fat stacks of cash borne from human suffering?

>>54781314
Because I know most anons here would cheer more for traps and Everqueen (males). Not to mention, what if the guy doesn't even want to be a girl and is happy being a guy? It'd be sadistic to use magic to force him into the Everqueen role then.

>>54783646
kill yourself you faggot

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>>54781110

>>54783585
Where's the mystery there? Beastmen aren't organized - they fight with eachother as much or more than with outsiders. You could easily say the same about half of the warhammer factions. Greenskins, for instance, should also overrun everything in theory.

>>54781110
>Not using halberds

>>54783616
You know, there's something funny about imagining two of the missing four (we know one of the other tanks became Klawmunkast's Warptank, and the Halflings repurposed one as the Soup Tank Kathleen) Imperial Steam Tanks mysteriously showing up in Araby, gold-plated and turned into the WHFB equivalents of Mercedes Benz pimpmobiles.

>>54781715
But then they let anyone with half a vidya idea make WFB games? They're throwing around the IP far more that its dead, and worst of all, I don't think they realize all the popularity that's come of it.

>>54783688
It'd be fitting, Araby is a funny if ill-documented place. I wish we had gotten more concrete lore on that sinful land.

>>54783724
I don't even know what their religion is like, beyond crude half-mentions of what is obviously a rip-off of Islam in all the most stereotypical ways. Kind of sad, since it could be fun to see them following vague remnants of Tomb Kings religion reinterpreted, intigrating elements of Southern deities, or even having a Zororastranism ripoff that lumps Chaos into the bad god and everything else into the good god.

>>54762449
>>54782630
>War wagon. Someone looked at a tower with gunmen on it and said 'slap some wheels on it' and called it a day.
Incidentally, it was a real thing for real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_wagon

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>>54783724
is CA cheeky enough and have the balls to give them suicide bomber equivalents if they add tatooine officially?

even moslums agree that its not a dirty secret and that it should be accepted. CA isnt just a bunch of bigots are they?

>>54783724
Alas, it was very much a 1001 Nights Placeholder Land of Mystery, only of temporary note due to Sultan Jaffar attempting to invade NotSpain.

Other than Warmaster, the only notable items about Araby were: There exist "Dust Goblins" that specialize in charms and curses (Orcs&Goblins, 8th ed), Magic Carpets (8th edition), and several nomadic tribes include the Fuzzy Wuzzies and the Al'rahem (Town Cryer). Oh, and magic lamps and monkey paws of course.

At least Relics of the Crusades tried to give names that made some sense, even if it was a Fanatic supplement. Turjuks = Turk Seljuks = Best horse archers. Muzils = Mutazilites = the most scholarly/rational, etc.

They definitely could have used some minis. Even a few headswaps and conversion guides.

>>54783911
It depends, did medieval/reneisance arabs have suicide bombers?

>>54782630
Originally it was actually an Empire unit. The Imperial College of Engineering used it as a platform for students to field-test assorted experimental weapons, from the Man-Catcher to the Long Rifle. (Of course, in 6th edition, you could mount such a platform on top of a Steam Tank).

IIRC, Kislev only got a dissimilar War Wagon only for Warmaster.

>>54783957
no but germany didnt have magic steam tanks to fight against orks and demons either you salty shitskin

>>54783724
Would be nice to get an Arabian Nights army that was more harems and scimitar wielding horsemen than allahu akbar retards. You know, cool historical Arabian peninsula before Muhammad turned it in to a backwards shit hole.

>>54760539
I have a question about Skill advances in WHFRP 2nd Edition. Can I advance all my skills into full mastery from the beginning or can I only get one purchase of the skill or mastery level of the skill during a career?

>>54762389
>>54762741
I kinda like both. The classic, cartoony color scheme has its charm, and brings some fond nostalgia welling up. But I also love the dark, gritty 6th / 7th art style where they really doubled down on that Adrian / John Blanche / Ian Miller look... I think the art from the HoC and Beastmen books in 6th are permanently burned into my subconscious.

>>54783985
Meh fair enough, dunno how are they supposed to implement it? Like goblin thrower?
But honestly I would prefer Arabian Nights style army, because it seems quite interesting...and I'am not too thrilled about inserting politics into entertainmet

>>54783911
>reposting out of context quotes
>pretending to have credibility

Serious question; are you a moron pretending to be informed, or a liar pretending to be a moron?

>>54783935
They had a Regiment of Renown in the form of a cavalry unit.

>>54783911
That fits so well with Warhammer, there's already the empire's flagellants as an example of suicidal religious nuts and it'd be too silly for an even more religious confederacy to not have them.

>>54783957
Could be done as goblin fanatics, or even a man version of technology squig herd.

>>54784032
having chariots ram into massed troops which the rider then dismounts and has a sword attack

deals the the annoyance of trying to disengage chariots too

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>>54784096

>>54784037
it's a /v/ shitter who has finally found the solution to eternal western domination.
Shitposting on /tg/

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>>54784114
That truck got fucked.

>>54784070
Is Araby religious though? We know that their desert nomads would be given that they think that some random dude is the chosen one.
But anyways enough with /pol/ discussions, that's why /pol/ was created for. What other units would Araby have? Light cavalry seems like and obvious choice, maybe war elephants and slave meatshields, but what else?

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>>54783984
I guess the Empire War Wagon is taking inspiration from the Hussite Wagenburgs and the Kislev one is from the Polish-Lithuanian/Cossack Tabors.

Basically they were used a lot in Eastern Europe in the 15-17th centuries, mainly in places with flat, open land. And they were more like the Warmaster model for Kislev than the Empire one. And you need a few to link together into a proper fortification.

>>54784011
The latter. The skill on the career is one advance. If you take it, that's it until you enter another career with the same skill.

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>>54784161

>>54784161
>war elephants
how the fuck would they even be able to sustain elephants in a fucking desert? This has to be the shittiest idea ever conceived.

A better example would be to have a mix of the empire and bretonnian society. A strong core of cavalry and desert tribesmen, bolstered by high level urban infantry.

>>54783693
Well, the silver lining is that if GW pulls the license from Creative Assembly, it's not like they can't just do Total War: Generic Fantasy.

It's truly mind boggling that they're prepared to just toss away an amazing setting just because not enough elements were copyrightable. I mean they don't even step up their game when competitors start undercutting them on stupid little plastic men, they sue or drop the line entirely. TWW is amazing just because it gets the concept of the battle line so much better than table top game itself ever did.

>>54784203
Those are almost literally Fimir, but with retarded weapons.

>>54784203
Human slaves. Orc slaves are the chaos dwarf thing

>>54784059
Ah, right. Al Muktar's Desert Dogs. IIRC it was also a case of Mighty Whitey, as Al Muktar was a Marienburger who developed an extreme tolerance to pain due to surviving boarding school hazings, and that just happened to coincide with certain prophecies of theirs.

Oh yeah, and Paymaster Mydas the Mean was accompanied by Shiekh Yadosh, whom Mydas is trying to pay off some fantastic debt to.

But yeah, Arabyans. Flying carpets, disgustingly rich, and harems and the odd desert raider. They definitely could have been expanded to be less than caricature.

Oh yeah, 7e Vampire Counts had the Silver Princess, a Lahmian who requested hospitality for a night with her mysterious veiled soldiers that were totally not skeletons.

>>54784170
It's funny that Kislev is NotRussia (Tzars and Kossars and Strelets), yet the Gryphon Legion are totally not Winged Hussars.

I wrote expanded War Wagon rules for Mordheim awhile back, and still need to finish them.

>>54784232
Because there is only one type of terrain in their entire territory, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_elephant

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>>54784161
http://www.ricks-warmaster.com/Warmaster_Armies.pdf

Araby is near the end. So:
>Spearmen
>Bowmen
>Guards
>Knights
>Camel Riders
>Desert Riders
>Magic Carpets
>Elephants
>Djinn as a mount

If we wanted to expand the list a little, I'd say they need Assassins, Djinn as a unit and a Jezail unit. Maybe a nomad scout unit. That hates Undead.

>>54784239
Not sure how popular they were but some of those were real weapons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maduvu

>>54784232
Their territory does stretch far enough south to border Southlands, which is a giant jungle, so...

>>54784273
>mali
>araby.
come on now bub.

>>54784161
Considering they haven't really embraced gunpowder because of their religion I'd wager they adhere to it closer than most Ulricans.
As for units, slaves, mercenaries from the east, elephants are a must, trained soldiers in fine silk garb, lots of spearmen, djinn and mages, camel riders and nomad barbarians. Maybe even Norsecans.
No handgunners though, unless they come from abroad.
Dust goblins?

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>>54784245
lets be honest here. if araby was ever added they would be 100% strong noble beautiful people with no fun allowed because you cant show shitskins being less than perfect or else its racist

also
>yet another NOTgermany faction

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>>54784315
If desperate enough, we can put Persian stuff there.

>>54784161
>slave meatshields
No, the slaves in an Araby army would be the elite units funnily enough. Mamluk heavy cavalry and Janissary elite infantry.

>>54784245
Kislev is Russia and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth combined.
If you look at the lexicon in Realm of the Ice Queen, most of it is based on Polish rather than Russian.

>>54784337
>asshurt /pol/yp doesn't know the stereotypes of warhammer OR hasn't played any total war game.
CA is going to do a stereotypical roster for araby with maximum amount of asset lifting from warhammer 1 but will add fun gimmicks like controlling the spice trade that you had in attila.

>>54784312
If you think the warhammer world is 1-for-1 to ours you're stupid, but the most important part of that link is that there are elephants that do infact live in desert environments so its hardly something so explicitly impossible.

>>54784379
Then how would you differentiate between lets say ind and araby?

>>54783957
No, not as far as I know.

>>54784399
>inb4 hashashins

>>54784355
>janissaries
>the best cook is named captain

>>54784312
How about you look at a map of the warhammer world and then a map of the real world and compare where Mali is. Because Araby is in the North Africa equivalent of the Warhammer World.

Also, here's the text from Warmaster:
>Elephants are an exotic creature even in Araby for they come from the lush bushlands that lie between Araby and the jungles of the Southlands. The Sultans like to collect all kinds of wild and monstrous beasts, and they eagerly compete against each other when it comes to maintaining the largest and most impressive herd of Elephants.

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>>54784315
But Arabyans are also the ones to invent the flintlock - obviously they must use gunpowder on some level.

>>54784337
Just go back to /pol/, please you are being mildly annoying
>>54784379
Very powerfull lords perhaps? Ind is know for it's "Living gods"
>>54784411
They were assassins

>>54784419
I was going off a more historically grounded and more mytholigically correct arab inspired araby

>>54784394
Ind uses a lot if throwing weapons and elite beastman infantry?
There's even less there than for Araby.

>>54784450
Well I thought we were brainstorming ideas based off previous total war games and history/mythology.

>>54784437
Maybe they are only for elite marksmen?

>>54784463
So what did Indian armies were known for?

>>54784450
The ironic thing that the /pol/tard doesn't get is that the suicide bomber vest was actually first done by a *Hindu* terrorist group, the (now defunct) Eastern Liberation Tigers of Tamil (LTTE), which for a brief period in the 2000s was also known for being the only terrorist organization with a conventional (if outdated) airforce and frogmen.

From WHFB, the only thing we have is there are Tiger beastmen that occasionally defend as well as attack Ind villages. That's it. Of course, Ind and Cathay were always the "other", distant and mysterious but Araby at least attempted to invade Estalia...

>>54784346
Wouldn't be all that desperate - early Arabian culture was heavily based on Persian culture, and plenty of later successors and breakaway states tried to claim a Persian connection. There's even some humor in a Turkish warlord kidnapping a shitton of scholars just so he can have his capital be a center of learning, because hey that's what the Persians would do, right?

I think the Arabyans could use some Moorish stuff, and it's obvious there's some hints of standard Middle East stuff and even Ottomans, because why fucking not pick things from different eras and cultures. Could be a fun thing to explore if people could get past their modern fears.

>>54784411
Pretty sure most of those weren't suicide bombers, but I honestly don't know. I know more about how ninja operated than hashashins.

>>54784443
What would an army made up of individual special characters be like? Some of them being monstrous in size.

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>>54784445
Araby is based off the middle east more than north africa, true.
I'm just saying that the geographic equivalent of Araby does have elephants.

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>>54784541
If Belakor really messed with timelines to ensure a Chaos victory, will the Dakaha go after him?

>>54784463
What's the envinronment of Ind? Could be wonderfully skirmish heavy like how the beastmen used to run.

>>54784557
A single, hilariously overpowered, magical lord with army that maybe revolves around supporting him?
It would be hard as hell to implement it though

>>54784598
I dunno what that is or why you're asking me. If you just wanna shitpost, there's a ton of other threads for that.

>>54784572
Said elephants were never tamed or used in combat is what I am saying. I get it's fantasy.

>>54784527
Depends on the timeframe really
Ancient history was
>muh elephants
>muh longbowmen
medieval history was
>muh light cavalry
>muh medium infantry + longbowmen
>muh armored elephants.
Warhammer history is when the mughals invaded northern india and southern indian kingdoms and especially the vijayanagara empire began using european gunners for their armies.

Ind would be interesting because you could do things like construct embassies and gain access to foreign troops and improve relations with them.
>build empire embassy in your capital and get access to artillery.
>build high elf embassy to gain access to magic dragon
>build cathayan embassy to gain rocket artillery.
with the tradeoff being that the more embassies of a faction you construct, the worse your relations get with other factions.

Oh and india was also known for it's steel and metalworking throughout history.

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>>54784527
>So what did Indian armies were known for?

they would be all the same units as araby but with turbans and the campaign would just be the advisor constantly trying to convince you that they are totally "bro tier"

>>54784527
Historically, the Mauryan dynasty booted the Seleucids out of what is Pakistan nowadays. They had elephants in an auxiliary role, but their main advantage was massed longbows with bronze bodkins. Basically they did Agincourt before it was Agincourt.

The rest depends on what period of time you're thinking of. Elephants are a thing, but in practice not the best. The Mughal Empire first truly became a thing after the First Battle of Panipat, when Babur used the Hussite playbook, and defeated the preexisting dynasty with a ton of War Wagons, and supporting light cavalry to rout the survivors and capture baggage trains. Way later in the 3rd Battle of Panipat, the Mughals lost a large force to a bunch of Afghan raiders, which had mounted freaking *swivel cannons* on the backs of camels. Some of said cannons were breechloaded, and could fire canister shot too. There's no kill like overkill!

Among other random "cool toys" from India, the Urumi was basically a superflexible "sword" (imagine a Sister of Sigmar "steel whip"), and the Kingdom of Mysore had cast-iron rocket launchers. In fact, the British reverse-engineered the Mysorean rockets, resulting in the Congreve.

>>54784682
>>>/bant/

Cathay needs giant stone soldiers and terracotta soldiers.
And guns.

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>>54784759
I really recommend looking at the Tamurkhan book - it has a bit of interesting fluff where a part of his army attacks a Cathayan outpost, and there's a fuckton of crazy shit. As a historyfag, it's way cooler than just stone and terracota soldiers - it's not afraid to crank things up to 11 and go beyond what is familiarly Chinese.

>>54784674
So archer heavy army? Hmm but we do have wood elves for that...
Hmm how about an army with medium troops, few elephants, elite archers and hero/lord units being stupidly powerful but also very, very expensive

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>>54783441
One is shield of civilization, other are chaos worshipping savages with no armybook and fluff.

>>54784829
Damn that pic looks cool, sauce?
But why does Karl have that visor-thing if he never wears it?

>They gave Surtha a chariot
>But they ruined his voice

I don't understand

>>54784829
>shield of civilization
>vampires overrun half the empire unless you help their stupid asses.
>>54784823
A better idea would be to use bretonnian peasant economics for them as a large part of indian warfare relied upon levied conscripts until the big empires started to form.
You can raise vast armies of mediocre at best troops ASAP to beat back invasions but your standing army is only a core of the elite warrior castes. For sustained campaigns you have to tech up which causes unrest, or have to acquire the help of beastmen living in ind.

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>>54784829
>one is constantly beaten over the head by chaos raiders
>the other buys the p.o.w.s to till their soil while sleeping with lots of beautiful ladies
Keep being the bulwark oh mighty emperor, maybe we'll lower the tariffs to your lands.
we won't

>>54784890
you can easily give him back his regular voice. Norsca used to use the chaos warriors voices, but because its a new DLC, they hired a bunch of relic VAs to do the sounds.

>>54784916
Well then, have fun being conquered by chaos

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>>54784916
>tfw you will never murder the men, fuck the women & then dump the pregnant women in pic related

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>>54784916
>>54784904
How does it feel to be less relevant than Bretonnia, Norsca, Kislev and Chaos Dwarfs?

>>54784862
TW twitter.

>>54783441
>no forests filled with beastmen

That's easy when you have no forests at all.

>>54784936
As long as you stand, chaos can't come down.
You won't lay down because you'll die if you do.
In the end you help the land of sultans and caliphs however unwillingly.

>>54784961
Like a soft bed with sexy serving girls from the east and good wine.

>>54784961
Hey, I was just describing what happens in my campaigns. Hopefully empire AI will be better off when they start with a full province.
>less relevant.
Relevance in the TT =/= relevance in the lore.

>>54784976
Their shithole is filled with other beastmen
>>54783518
probably camels and jackals.

>>54785003
Those old Egyptian gods with animal heads do make for excellent beastmen.

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>>54784953
all that and youre still a smelly nigger. whats the point of it all?

also
>resident /leftypol/ poster wont have anything to say about this post

we seriously do need araby. i feel too bad about attacking honorable factions and i need more evil ones to put to the sword

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>>54785002
So Araby is less relevant in lore than anyone barring mention being ravaged by Bretonnia and Tomb Kings.

>>54785031
>bretonnia
>not evil
reminder that bretonnia exists in the game so that the empire can spread civilization westwards without upsetting the balance of power in the empire proper.

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>>54785031
>he's on any side of the spectrum

>>54784996
Don't make us start another crusade ya irrevelant sandhumper

>>54785065
>bretonnia
>lore contribution is killing a high elf diplomat and being raided by norscan orcs and failed beastmen.

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>>54785031
>honorable factions

>>54785031
Their territory is likely to be occupied by Skaven, Orcs and Tomb Kings in game.

>>54785079
everyone knows that the empire carried the bretonnians

Speaking of which, the blazing sun accepts knights from all over the old world. What would happen to a bretonnian knight who went over and joined myrmidia's cult? Would he be executed in bretonnia? Remain a social pariah? Lose property?

>>54785079
Only things I hump are the finest tits and asses money can buy. And slaves.

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>>54784953
Feels bad man.

>>54785126
I think he would be exiled from Bretonnia, but he will get rad armour and it won't matter that much since he will have a nice order hq to live in

>>54785126
I don't know. The Lady is a prominent part of Bretonnia, but it's not like Alberic isn't a Duke because he holds Manaan in high regard. It probably just means that they can't take on the Grail Quest, being a servant of another deity, and if they joined the Knights of the Blazing Sun, they'd either lose property because they can't properly maintain their feudal loyalties as part of the Knights of the Blazing Sun, or Bretonnia just wouldn't have the social protocols in place for such a thing and wouldn't treat it as anything different, or treat the guy as a Questing Knight but for another religion.

>>54785143
>tfw no Ganiskha as Malal Daemon Prince

Alright
Hypothetically during the course of a total war campaign, marienburg actually manages to take and hold land in bretonnia of all places. What kind of new units would emerge?

>>54785278
More guns.

>>54785278
More Empire units, of course. Just like how, as long as you're in the right stance, you can recruit new Bretonnian units while you're in the middle of fucking Norsca. Or how if the provience is Chaos-tainted enough, even if it's down in the Badlands, you'll get Chaos Warrior-style uprisings.

If you're trying to open things up to lore discussion, they'd probably just co-op the knightly class while stripping away the noble side of things because Marienburg isn't into nobility, and let Bretonnian peasants continue on as they always have, with Men-at-Arms serving in their private militia.

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>>54785278
Hon hon hon

>>54785278
Interesting question: Back in 6th ed, the Marienburg variant army was unique since it couldn't take any knights, but could take Regiments of Renown as core (which is about as balanced as it sounds. Dem Galloper Guns). So you could do Maurices Linear Tactics if you so desired. They also had cheaper Greatswords that did not have Stubborn.

I imagine that if they did conquer Bretonnia, they would start with the cities, and start by "liberating" the merchant classes. You would get more "saboteur" type units (funfact, "sabotage" is a French word for throwing shoes into the cogs of machinery), and probably cheaper "conscript-grade" handgunners, and Mounted Yeomen taking Spear&Pistol. I would imagine a Marienburg "liberation" of Bretonnia would kickstart them into a more grimdark French Republic.