Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Can someone post the donald krump two squiggs meme? Also, 3th for chaos!

Looking over the points for the Repulsor, at around 330 pts this thing can pack two lascannons, a heavy gatling cannon, FIVE fragstorm launchers (which is 5d6 hits within 18 inches) and 2 krakstorm launchers, and maybe some other shit I'm forgetting..this thing is such a fucking beast, why even fill it up with units? if I put intercessors in there, they'll get outgunned by the onslaught cannon, if I put aggressors in there, they'll get out boltstormed by the fragstorms, I guess maybe plasma incinerators?

Also as a side note: I think taking more than one of these tanks is gonna be a dick move.

alright last stupid GSC/Tyranids list idea before I go to sleep

a bunch of rock grinders special deploying along with some Tyranid psykers to cast onslaught on them.

turn 1 charges with genestealers are alright I guess, but turn 1 charges with trucks sounds cooler right?

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r8 my list

>The guys with the only codex are winning
Surprising stuff. Also Guilliman is 150 points too cheap.

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Sup /tg/, I have had issues with 40k as a game for quite some time and upon reflection I have boiled it down to three main issues:
>There are little in game tactical decisions that help you win or lose (with most games coming down to list building and deployment.
>The crunch does not reflect the fluff very well if at all.
> The fluff is getting more and more kid-friendly with less humor and gritty grimdark.
I have gotten to the point where I have converted and collected the models that interest me within the 40k universe and have decided that it is time to move on, does anyone have suggestions for my next game system?

Power fist dropped by 40%.

Very good, now I won't feel bad about putting them on my Plague Champions. Does make chainfists kinda bad. 10 points for -1ap and 2d instead of d3

>>54567030
Would tell you to fuck off/10

>>54567042
I honestly don't know why GW didn't wait to have the campaign until after at least the CSM book came out.

>>54567067
So that Imperium wins...

>>54567047
If you're really convinced you're going to give up I won't try and change your mind, but I think you should stick with 40k a bit longer.

My recommended wargame(s) if you do decide to change though is definitely Dropzone/Dropfleet Commander.

>>54567026
Slaaneshi attack on Krieg, M40, colourised

>>54567047
>the fluff is getting less dark
What they literally completely the whole thing.

>>54567067
So chaos doesnt win obviously?

>>54567054
Chainfists are AP-4, or at least he Space Marine ones are.

>>54567047
Infinity is a much more complex system, but is fairly balanced, and much more interactive (both players get to do stuff and make potentially important decisions every turn, not just their own).

However, to my knowledge their entire range is metal, which some people don't like, and it doesn't seem nearly as popular as even AoS, so if you manage to find a playgroup at all you'd be lucky if you're not just facing the same 1 or 2 guys over and over.

>>54567076
The last 40k books I read where the two fenris system ones and haven't picked one up since then. They were just so... terrible.

Red pill me on mandrakes. What roles do they fulfill?

>>54567084
He means an additional -1 AP over Power Fists, obviously.

>>54567092
Looking cool while being questionably useful, like half of the DEldar range.

>>54567089
Chaos is winning at the moment. There is a giant rift dividing the galaxy in half. All xenos are getting more dangerous and chaos is everywhere.
Imperial forces are cut off and surrounded in various places.
But at least we have Cawl tech and a Primarch,

>>54567023
>drive up to target while spewing death in every direction
>unload eight hellblasters, a captain and a lieutnant
>raze target in plasma fire
>drive repulsor off hunting other things
>hellblasters hold objective

>>54567067
So far the only Chaos lists ive seen are Magnus + spam, either Typhus and Poxwalkers or Magnus and Brimstones, its like they arent even trying, locally

>>54567097
Either way the advantage is denying anything with 3+ armor saves their save and doing consistent damage. So it's more reliable damage vs a potential 1 more damage but letting more units have their armor saves..

>>54567108
The Indominus Crusade more or less stabilized everything IIRC. Chaos isn't really winning atm anymore than they already were.

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>>54567108
Ahh, ok mis-translation. The kind of fluff I am referring to are the book that focus on tiny conclaves of fucked up shit. Or the more "philiosphical" stories like burning of the last church.

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1/2 fixed my dreadnought lists errors.

>>54567124
My list:
BATTALION
HQ
Kharne
Chaos Lord w/ Claws

TROOP
9 Berzerkers w/ 8 Chainaxes + Chainswords, Banner and Claws on the Champ
9 Berzerkers w/ 8 Chainaxes + Chainswords, Banner and Claws on the Champ
20 Cultists
20 Cultists

ELITE
Helbrute w/ Scourge + Fist

HEAVY
Maulerfiend w/ Magma Cutters

DEDICATED TRANSPORT
Rhino w/ 2 combi-bolter and havoc launcher
Rhino w/ 2 combi-bolter and havoc launcher


OUTRIDER
HQ
Dark Apostle

FAST
Spawn
Spawn
Spawn
Spawn

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>>54567137
2/2

>>54567067
So that the new edition gets a global campaign 6 weeks after launch.

I'm sure that we'll see other campaigns in the near future. GW seems to have their shit together with promoting FoK, and it sets a precedent for giving players something to fight over which isn't a massive detail that they're loathe to mess with.

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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>54567129
My impression from the new lore is that if people thought it was at peak grim dark in the 41st millenium the 42nd is ten times as grim dark. So they went beyond what people thought was peak grim dark.
Kind of like a permanent end times without aos.

>>54567172
>more than 3 Detachments at 2k points
No dice. I find someone else to play with.

>>54567160
Dreadnaughts are so powerful right now, and the fact that you are just cheesing them would cause me to refuse to play you.

>>54567177
From what I have gathered the stories are still really dim though. With the books all being like:
>Chaos does something really evil because CHAOS
>Everything is shit and nothing can save the imperium!
>But by the noble sacrifice of a single marine the chaos incursion has been quashed.
>Its ok though chaos fans, it was all part of the plan... somehow.
With no look at individuals, motives or interesting morale choices and consequences... only, war.

>>54567157
Would not play/10

thats fine, I have a brigade of Eldar I can bring too :)

>>54567157
Nice list.

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What's his story

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Reminder

Squats confirmed.

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>mfw the waacfag at my lgs bought 3 stormravens before the errata

>>54567025
How do rock grinders special deploy?
You don't mean cult ambush do you, cos they can't do that.

But yes turn one truck charge sounds hillarious.

>>54567303
>Not realising that 3 stormravens with conscript/Guilliman will destroy you anyway
Dumbass.

>>54567030
Lose a couple of Assassins, and take half a dozen Inquisitors for HQ choices, and you've got a legal list. You'd just need 5 Vanguard detachments.

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>>54567184
Ill play you

>>54567023
Aggessors get a lot out of Repulsors. Just getting them to the front line faster.is.very helpful and the transport rules work perfectly for a short range shooting unit like Agressors.

Generally yes, you don't need to randomly just put Intercessors in one.

>>54567332
Very well!

>>54567314
>Implying I'm ever gonna willingly play against him

>>54567054
Damage 2 >> Damage 1d3

>>54567339
would you put the gravis captain with flamestorm aggressors or would that be a waste of the rerolling 1s to hit?

>>54567264
> Be me
> Always picked on in school
> The villiage idiot and outcast
> Grows up to be a moisture farmer on a moon orbiting a dim gas planet
> One night (or morning maybe, they both look the same here) metal boxes scream down through the sky
> Soldiers clad entirely in metal plates, like the ones on the posters but, disturbing...
> They burn, kill and torture all those in their path
> I witness my friends and family die in a salvo of fire
> I try to hide but its no use
> A man, no, a monster with cuts all over his face finds me whimpering in a corner
> He takes me to the others, makes me watch as his comrades kill everyone I know
> I am thrown in a cage and prodded, tested and maimed until I am a shell of the man I once was
> I am now a disfigured and hideous imp in service of a metal-clad monster.

>>54567358
Damage 2 is statistically the same as damage 1d3. Gamewise, one is for gamblers the other not.

>>54567303
Antisemitic meme much?

>>54567359
Yes, kind of a waste. I'd just bring more flamer Aggressors. Would do fine with bolter Agressors though.

>>54567355
Then why were you happy about it if you were never going to play him?

>>54567360
Almost reads like star wars

>>54567370
Damage 2 is much more effective against 2w models while d3 is preferable for 3w

>>54567381
Brain problems

>>54567381
It's fun to watch the WAACfags sperg out over having to change their lists.

>>54567370
Statistically the average person has an ovary and a testicle.

I'll take D2s reliability any day of the week.

Gabe is up on the FW website

Rules are meh, but itll be cool to have a character line for 40k on the same level as the 30k one

>>54567446
You might like 2d more than d3, but would you pay 10 points for it?

>>54556913
They were as DG tended to foootslog, but morty killed all of his bodyguard to summon back one OC, and we presume men walk around in power armour outside of battle which is why they've always been plague marines not plague terminators >>54556961
>normies getting ahold of my resin
Say it ain't so
>>54556996
We'll get new troops, Havics and cult troops anon, don't worry
>>54557361
This

>>54567395
most multi-wound models have an even number of wounds

>>54567212
>the fact that you are just cheesing them
What?!?
It's just a list with an excuse to use all the dreadnoughts I've collected over the past 8 years. I'm sure there's an optimized way to do this with like the best weapons that someone could workout with mathhammer, but this is just the guys I have and their loadouts...
What can I do to make it a bit more chill as it's just for a casual mess about.

>>54567461
>denying Minotaurs
Some of the best sculpts are those, ph and Tyberos

>>54567466
no chance in frickin hell

>tfw two more months for more Death Guard

I hope Acolytes can take better armor when they ever make an Inquisition/Imperial Agents codex.

They have all these awesome weapon options but they wear paper.

>>54567542
>two months
>not two weeks
Remind me how much stuff sigmar got during their campaign

>>54567047

>there are little in game tactical decisions that help you win or lose.

Have you considered that maybe you're just an idiot? Or perhaps that you really need to get better maps and terrain, and maybe play some scenarios instead of just gunning for annihilation every time?

>>54567554
Chaos and Grey Knight codexes are supposed to be coming out sometime next month, DG stuff probably isn't gonna release before their codex.

>>54567023
Pay to win.

GW needs to put out more and more bullshit if they are going to keep earning doug.

>>54567551
At least they had some wounds before, now they die in one hit.

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So how did the points values change for all the relevant models? Did shit get more expensive? Or cheaper?

>>54567047
>>There are little in game tactical decisions that help you win or lose (with most games coming down to list building and deployment.
8th edition hasnt even truly arrived yet. you're getting the full treatment as the various codices are being released. the new stratagems make the game waaaay more tactical.

that said, even without them, you have plenty of movement-related tactics going on

>>54567563
this, of course every game is going to boil down to a slapfest when you play to table your opponent on a completely barren flat surface

>>54567580
CSM is out on the 5th.

>>54567601
Didn't see any costs increase. Everything either got cheaper or stayed the same.

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>>54567601

>>54567264
Just a menial warp spawn servant, in some traitor legions they are called Watchers in the dark.

>>54567601
cheaper. the winners are ironclads, LSS, Droppods (still overpriced though) powerfists (and by extension Tactical Terminators), dadbodmarines, bikers, stalkers, predators

various other shit that i dont remember

>>54567601

Sternguard got one point cheaper

>>54567601
Power fist is 7 points cheaper to help kill Guilliman

Does anyone have a scan or PDF of the marine book yet?

>>54567067
Well, you rig a game when you want a particular result.

>>54567067
to tap into the new edition excitement

>>54567630
Shots fired.

I want to play chaps but all the vanilla CSM models are old and ugly, and the new mono-god factions dont do it for me either. Dont like daemons either

Really hope vanilla CSM get an overhaul soon

>>54567688
>chaps
chaos

>>54567618
It's not, the apple store leak said "pre-order" on the 5th and even then that could be inaccurate. We'll know on Monday.

>>54567688
Eh, they aren't that bad but all aspiring champion heads feel like they are way too big for the model

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Good morning Koooooooooonor!

This is your news broadcast for the last 12 hours of the campaign. It's been 24 hours and the Imperium is still holding strong. Unfortunately for us we're seeing Xenos and Chaos attacks rising across the board, with believe it or not the Xenos achieving more than Chaos in some theatres! It's true, traitor forces are taking advantage but in many warzones we're hearing of Xenos attacks breaking the line and Chaos taking advantage of the situation and flooding forwards through the holes in our defenses left behind!

Astaramis itself is still in Imperial control but Chaos and Xenos assaults are taking it's toll. We're looking at a 60/40 split in overall control of the planet.

Taking our usual closer look we can see that overnight Praxima Skyport and the Quintus gate have been battered by repeated heavy attacks, only held back by the bravery of men and women of the Imperial Guard, the Emperor's Angels of Death and the arcane machinery of the Adeptus Mechanicus. We are discouraging the spread of false rumours that Xenos were seen fighting at the side of our heroic defenders.

In a bit of good news, our faith is rewarded as the Saviour's La ding temple district is relatively untouched by fighting overnight and prayers can be heard for miles around, lifting the moral of our soldiers in such dark times. The Emperor truly protects!

This is Konor News at the 24 hour mark, goodbye and good luck out there. Kill some Traitors for us.

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Hi, I'm looging for informations about Skyrak Slaughterborn, the leader of BL's Bringers of Decay. Was he originally a Luna Wolves' marine? Are there plague marines that are original BL marines (not mercenaries from other legions, especially Deathguard)? I want to make a pure Black Legion army, without any foreign elements.

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>>54567708
I want slick and tactical chaos marines, not stubby retards with giant horns

>>54567725
Plastic Heresy duders are the best bet for now anyway!

>>54567725
>Fulgrim
>Pert
>Angron
>Curze
Only the retards went Chaos.

>>54567710
I told you to stop. Don't force my hand!

>>54567725
jus proxy tacticals and when your opponent starts talking shit yell "HYDRA DOMINATUS" into his face and cut his neck

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>>54567725
Just use FW upgrades

>>54567551
Is there anything that can buy better armour in 8th? Ork boyz lost eavy armour, guard veterans lost carapace, marine characters either have artificer armour or they don't, they can't buy it, eldar corsairs can't take whatever their 4+ save armour was called, and so on. While it's not a decision I personally like, it seems to be a purposeful thing across most armies.

>>54567737
>Alpharius
>Mortarion
>Magnus
>Maybe lorgar but i have to read more
Nah, we're good.

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>>54567710
THANK YOU STOCK IMAGE REPORTER MAN. IT SEEMS IN THE CONTEST TO SEE WHICH HUMANS ARE PUNIEST, THE SPIKY HUMANS ARE THE MOST PUNY. THIS PLEASES MORBO.

>>54567740
Never! The people need the news!

>>54567768
>The guy(s) whose own Legion isn't sure what's up
>The guy who hates psykers and decided to ally with the warp
>The guy who loves psykers and didn't want to ally with the warp

The fact these two ^ are on the same team

>Advanced autism, "Lorgar I AM NOT a god", "I get it you're so humble"

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>>54567780
Thank you, Morbo!

Gabriel Angelos preorder and rule are up boys

>>54567827
too bad there isnt a helmet to cover up that face, unlike the game.

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>>54567710

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>>54567827
>tfw no Boreale or Diomedes models yet

>>54567212
Not even close to WAAC. It's a mixed bunch of beepboops that have some minimal shooting from a handful of heavy weapons that have to footslog around a board to get LOS. A few can probably be taken out pretty easily by meltacide / lascannons or whatever.
4 or 5 of them are melee only and the only way they are going to get there is spend a few turns advancing.
This roster wouldn't do shit. Don't try and compare it to D Wraiths in 7e.

Is there anything in the fluff about regular humans converting and joining a genestealer cult or are the cults just hybrid only?

Seems a bit silly for a cult to be able to take over a planet without any converts

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Gabriel Angelos rule out.

>No flipping Terminator rule.


Hahaha get fucked DoW fag, even GW know that shit is stupid.

>>54567941
>M6"
>Fly

>>54567941
you realize gw worked with relic on the game, and they had to put everything past gw
which means they approved it

>>54567927
How is it silly? The entire/majority of the genepool could be infected and desended from genestealers over 100s of years, till the point where they are visually indifferent from standard humans

>>54567927
There might be some delusionals out there who join out of their free will, thinking it might just be the one true Religion.
Chance is they end up being dragged in front of the patriarch and brainwashed too at some point.

>>54567941
The flipping thing is represented by M6".

if a unit is in the index, but not the codex, do we just use the rules from the index?

Gabe feels kinda meh without unique Chapter buff rule (not counting Chapter Master)

Also, it sucks that god splitter suffers -1 to hit

> chapter master
> bs 3+
Shame on you gabe

>>54567978
Yes.

>>54567978

That's pretty much what GW said to do.

>>54567954
> they approved it

Which they also approved stasis bomb being a harmless grenade, just slow now.

Yeah sure.

>>54567985
His buff rule is he gets a super on-death strike

Because he's a selfish ass who doesn't buff his men

can anyone with codex post new primaris units ? agressors, repulsor and so on - thx ahead

>>54567941
>"points per model (includes weapons)"
>still has points cost for godsplitter listed
>as zero
Oh forgeworld.

How big is Gabe model ? Would be good if he's about an average Tartaros Termies, I really want to replace the monkey head with helmet.

>>54568016
Plenty of that in the indexes

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>>54567967
>Can't flip through terrain.

Also all tartaros terminator have M6"

>>54568016

The points per model should also read DOES NOT include weapons. Fucking FW.

They did this with the attack stat in previous editions too. Like they would include the bonus attacks in the stat block for you, then remind you that you already have the bonus attack in the weapon profile that says you get a bonus attack.

>>54567978
Same goes for weapon options, so rifledreads are still a thing, strangely enough.

>>54568044

Why wouldn't they be, FW makes Mortis Dreadnought rules and arms.

>>54568037
Actually all named chars in GW books also have that "includes weapons" thing.

>large portion of playerbase is SM only
>they get a new codex right before the campaign

whew I wonder who will win this campaign

>>54568056
They don't include the weapon points though unless it's a generic weapon right

>>54568058
thanks for the update, glad you caught up to everyone else about a month ago

>>54568058
CSM is getting it 5th or 22nd, next month, basically.

>>54567927
>Is there anything in the fluff about regular humans converting and joining a genestealer cult
Yes, all the time. Once the cult gets powerful enough it can start to persuade and sway people the old fashioned way just like normal Cults.

Thing is, as soon as those normal humans start breeding with hybrids, or get taken to see a purestrain and get the kiss, they end up infected anyway.

>>54568055
Well, why exclude the option in the codex then?

>>54568074
before or after the ultra killy anti chaos elite strikeforce of ninjas get theirs?

>>54568037
Every single named character has that their cost includes wargear, God-splitter is probably listed as 0 points because retards still couldn't understand that the costs were included in the character's base value. So they just list it as 0 for illiterates.

>>54568079
Because the codex doesn't contain options they don't sell on the main GW site. Like the left rifleman arm that only FW and third party not-40k companies sell.

>>54567164
>I'm sure that we'll see other campaigns in the near future. GW seems to have their shit together with promoting FoK, and it sets a precedent for giving players something to fight over which isn't a massive detail that they're loathe to mess with.

I'm hoping this will be the case. Global campaigns like this are fun, and if they're more regular then it matters less how lopsided this one is turning out. It'd also mean we're more likely to see xenos getting in on the action, hell maybe even a xeno vs xeno campaign one of these days.

>>54568083
CSM is before Grey Knights

We've known this for weeks now, why can't you people keep up

>>54568098
But that's some fuckery imo. They still allow you to use rifledreads with their index, even though it's an older publication. What's the point?

>>54568104
>how lopsided this one is turning out.
To be fair we haven't even hit the weekend yet, I'd wait for the majority of people to play before calling it lopsided.

But who am I kidding, Marines have a huge advantage with having their codex.

>>54567215
Read red tithe if you want some interesting individuals motives and a unique setting for a 40k novel.

Not the most fluff accurate thing ever but I found it thoroughly enjoyable, which is the important part of a black library book

>>54568074
The last time CSM got a codex this early it did not work out so well, so I doubt it will help.

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>>54567601
cba checking myself

>>54568147
The inconsistency in points changes is really wierd. If terminator captain got cheaper, why didn't the cataphractii one? Slap a stormshield on termi cap and you get the same shit as cataphractii but with better move, no penalty to advance and 6 points cheaper.

>>54568115
To ensure existing models people own dont get squatted, just like they promised

>>54567927
Most cult members are infected regular humans. Only firstborns are hybrids, their younger sublings are regular (already infected) humans

>>54568115
For people who already had a model made that way.

They take things they no longer produce out of the Codex to discourage people from running them, but they leave the legacy rules available for the guys who already have the model. Basically, if you use the index to run your biker Librarians and Apothecarys, that's cool, that's what's intended. If you use the index to convert up a new biker Librarian/Apothecary you only have yourself to blame for needing two books for your army.

>>54568185
So they kinda want to remove this option, but kinda don't. And to solve this they break the "latest book takes precedence" rule. That's what's bugging me.

>>54568193
Source? As far as I know, all children of contagii are hybrids. Children of 4th gen hybrids MAY be purestrains, hybrid or contagii (infected humans). Source: first ed. Space Hulk (campaign I think) book.

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Time for Fun Hammer >:D

>>54567359
4 aggressors 1 apothecary and 1 lieutenant. auto hit flames with rerolling wounds, revives and overfire

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>>54567710
This was pretty good.

FWIW, I'm a red shirt in [redacted], and the 4 shops around here can confirm the trend is similar to our shop; chaos and xenos wins everywhere.

My shop I know for a fact that there has been one Ultramarine win, and one IF win vs over a dozen Chaos wins (not including xenos!).

Yet Imperials are winning! Because kids coming in with painted primaris. That's literally it. A trend that will only increase now that the new wave of Primaris miniatures are on the doorstep.

You all can believe whatever you want about the "battle" but if it wasn't for 14year olds shitty painting up primaris from Dark Imperium, and the campaign was just battle results .... yikes.

Cheers!~

anyone still playing Shadow War?

my campaign is one game per 2 weeks with 20 players so it's still ongoing but I haven\t heard much about it

is there any picture of the full wording of how relics work in the SM codex?

From what people have been saying it just requires a battleforged sm detatchment and you can give a relic to a character, but does that mean i can give a relic to the chaplain venerable dread?

>>54568261
I always preferred HoR Kill Team. But if Shadow War got an 8th Ed update, I might try it while HoR plays catch up.

Hey /tg/
Painting my second model today and got some questions while it dries

>What do you use as a palette?
First model I painted using a plastic lid and had a really hard thinning and controlling the amount of paint on the brush.
Today I tried using some drawing paper and while it's far easier to control, the paint dries far quicker.

>Any tips for shading?
Might have to do with the plastic lid but had a really hard time shading details (say the shoulder) as the colour lumped together. Guess I need to get less paint and a pointier brush.

>How many layers do you usually do?
Did three layers on my first model tho it started looking a bit thicc with the last. Might get better with a better palette but we'll see. The third layer did help the models colour quite a bit so don't really wanna jump down to two.

>>54568264
You often need to replace an item the character already has so you can't give it a relic Jump Pack without it already having one etc. Don't think there's anything a Dread can use in there.

>>54568240
HEROES NEVER DIE!
I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS!

Is there any way to counter basillisk+conscript cheese?

Fucking Chaos is so easy in this campaign. I just bring in my Tyranids and play vs the Imperium players. If I lose, they score a win for Imperium. If I win, I take a point away from Chaos. Literally win-win.

>>54568217
1st ed is probably not the best reference anymore considering GSC got their own codex with updated fluff.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genestealer#Infiltration_Cycle

>>54568273
>Don't think there's anything a Dread can use in there

Armor indomitus doesnt require a replacement, was what i was thinking, also mantle of the forgefather for salamanders

black templar chaplain dread (or brayarth) with 2+ and a turn of 3++ would be a nightmare to deal with turn 1

>>54568288
Not him but the new Codex doesn't go into very much detail whatsoever about the actual process of infection, the reproductive cycle, and so on.

>>54568245
So assuming that holds, momentum may shift as time goes on?

How are defilers now?

>>54568289
Yeah I see your point but fluff-wise I'm having a hard time seeing a Dread wearing armour etc. Will probably get FAQ'd.

Can probably use it for now and see what happens; maybe relic armour comes in XXXXL?

>>54568273
>What do you use as a palette?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPn5po5-m0

Are new Primaris Marine inductees still trained as scouts?

>>54568217
The 7e codex mentions it.

I'll see if I can find the exact line.

>>54568289
Brayarth is a named character, they cannot take Relics at all.

Chaplain Dreads are Forgeworld which GW did not take into account when writing the Relic rules, they'll probably errata it because it's not intended.

>>54568316
Considering we sell ten times as many space marines as CSM&co, probably not.

DG are also a little more daunting to paint I think, and theyre the only new releases right now. People aren't rushing in to buy 5 year old Chaos minis and paint them for a campaign; they already have all the minis they want and they're already painted.

DG won't be a huge seller but I'm happy to be proven wrong!

>>54568264
Ded game, RNG fest, no direction on how to build a properly balance terrain board turn it into a constant circle of debate.

>>54568272
>Shadow War got an 8th Ed update

The only thing that SW will get from 8th is primaris. Which is terrible since primaris have shit for weapon option.

>>54568236
>1201
If you're playing 1200 your list is illegal, if you're playing 1250 then 49 points is a lot to throw away.

>>54568327
Yeah was gonna make a wet palette eventually but basically baking paper for now?
Gotta go buy a sponge etc, might do that later today

>>54568356
paper towels work

>>54568364
Not very well. They're too absorbent.

>>54568353
It's 1250 and 49 is a lot. But there's nothing I can add to the list to the best of my knowledge. If you can spot something that I could add though, let me know!

>>54568332
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I was pissed like hell the new codex didn't have a sperate unit of infected humans so I searched it for every bit of fluff concerning brood brothers.

>>54568245
>cucking for Chaos this badly
All these flavors and you chose to be salty. Just embrace the superiority of the Imperium rather than lying about working for GW.

>>54568288
Codex didn't retcon anything from an old lore. Some things just aren't mentioned anymore.

>>54568388
Brood brothers was the neophyte hybrids squad using IG minis with the conversion kit. Pretty sure there was formation about it as well.

But in general i think the assumption was that a significant brood brothers section of the army would be done as IG allies.

>>54568339
>Brayarth is a named character, they cannot take Relics at all.

thanks for reminding me, forgot about that

>not intended

I'll probably still buy the dread because it looks pretty sick to go with my (now cheaper) templar ironclads as a leader

>>54568400
You can think whatever you like friendo. I have nothing to gain one way or the other. Just reporting what's been happening around here.

Why don't you head down to your local shop and play a game!
>oh right

>>54568418
>Brood brothers was the neophyte hybrids squad using IG minis with the conversion kit.

Thery weren't brood brothers but neophyte squad that had IG gear. It's even sold like that. The formation was neophyte armored claw or something like that. There are NO infected humans in the codex (they are still canon tho'). And you're right - they are covered by IG allies (in 8th ed. GSC can ally with them still in battleforged armies, even if they don't have common keyword, but IG still has to form a separate detachment).

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>>54568273
Just did my second layer using aluminium foil (because lacking baking paper) and it went on much better!

And yes, thought I had worked enough on the mold lines but still showed up after priming the models, I'll scrape them harder next time

And yes*2, pic is shit because iPhone because real phone died

>>54568364
>>54568379
Yeah that was my problem with drawing paper

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>>54568453
Errata: the formation name was Neophyte Cavaldade. Neophyte armored claw was the box (pic related).

>>54568356
I use parchment paper for my wet palletes. One side is sort of waxy to prevent paint being soaked up, the other side is clean to let water through. Ive got a little plastic sandwich container from the dollar store with a folded paper towel on the bottom to hold water, with the parchment above that. I just run water into it and let it drain out.
Works 10/10 for me anon.

>>54567047
30k and prey it doesn't get hit with the retard bat like 40k did.

>>54567092
>>54567104
>Looking cool while being questionably useful
This. Don't know why everyone says they're so great now.

>>54567047
>There are little in game tactical decisions that help you win or lose (with most games coming down to list building and deployment.
Yeah, you're mostly right, but the addition of things like strategems and the players choosing the order of combat during melee have added at least a couple things.
40k is and always has been a fairly casual game system, and I'd love to expand to other games, it's just really hard to find a consistent community for any other tabletop war game. Well, except X-wing and WMH, but neither of those are particularly tactical either.

>>54568486
Yeah thanks, definitely gonna go get me a water palette once I've finished this model

desu tho, aluminium foil works almost too great considering it's an improvisation

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>>54568388
>>54568332
Here it is, small mention. And i guess technically only for the first gen.

>>54568554
Sure. I build mine just like tabletopminions, on youtube, does, it works really well on the cheapcheap. He's got a video just on how to make them and the benefits.

>>54568596
Yeah, seen it and gonna make it
Definitely motivated after seeing the difference between plastic/paper and foil

>>54568596
I like his tip videos, but god damn he takes 20 minutes to get to the point.

>>54568628
Atom seems like a nice enough guy but I can't stand the super affected way he talks.

>>54568573
It doesn't state that the rest of the offspring are just infected humans. They may be aberrants tho'.

>>54568573
"The firstborn offspring" means "first generation", not firstborns of their parents.

>>54568596
>>54568628
>>54568648

Seem like a nice dude but holy hell he advice people to use baking soda to do snow.

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I've got conflicting feedback.
Tactical Marines with Intercessors, yes or no.

Yes because of special weapons and vehicle access.
No because Hellblasters.

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>>54566987
two squigz?!

>>54568648
I know exactly what you mean, I feel the same way about him.

>>54568725
I used baking soda for sand and such before discovering the beauty that is citadel technicals. Slop on some agrellan earth and done. Baking soda isn't that bad, its cheap and keeps the scale looking right. As long as you prime it with the base it doesn't seem to go anywhere.

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>>54568725
Thats good advice though, baking soda makes great snow.

Lads, I just started 40k after having played Fantasy for quite some years, I bought the Dark Imperium starter set and began painting my Primaris as Black Templar after reading about their lore and being general badasses.
However after looking at the chapter tactics and seeing what people say about them they seem to be primarily a melee-centered army, something that the Primaris so far doesn't have a lot of. Did I fuck up by picking BT og is this salvageable?

>>54568769
>>54568777

Baking soda is HIGHLY volitile and unstable chemical that could easily gone bad and when it does, there're nothing you could do about it, your model is done, throw it to the trash. The time it affect your model varied depend on where you keep the mini.

Don't be a fool and risk destroying your model like that.

What do you guys use as abbrebiation for the Ultramarines and Salamanders?

>>54568783
Primaris reivers can be melee focused.

But in general the intercessors have 2A base making them as good as assualt marines anyway.

You'll be fine.

>>54568783
You're going to want to expand beyond the starter box units anyways so just keep it in mind when buying new things.

>>54568794
Its really no risk, in the glue+paint paste you make its inert once its dried.

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Rate my shit Tau list. Primarily footslogging.

Pulse Accelerator and Recon Drone go with the gunline, which is also buffed by the Fireblade.

Darkstrider rides along with the Breachers in the Devilfish.

>>54568813
That's good to hear. But the Primaris can't form Crusader Squads? And I've heard those were pretty flexible and good.

I was definitely considering getting the Reivers though.

>>54568836
I just realised I fucked up the data entry in Battlescribe on this, fuck. There's not meant to be that many Pathfinders.

>>54568264
only if that dread has the character keyword, dude

>>54568863
You can turn Primaris into Crusaders but you'll probably have to get a hold of a bunch of weapon bits.

Alternatively run them as Crusaders provided your opponent is fine with it.

>>54568783
Reivers can do melee pretty well, plus their grenades stop enemies overwatching and drop their WS by -1 for the first round of combat. Plus Reivers get +1 attack per round of combat if they used combat blades. Meaning if you stay in the fight for a single round your Sergeant is putting out 4 attacks and each Reiver is putting out 3 attacks + 1 close range AP1 pistol shot each.

>>54567264
Why does he wear the mask?

>>54568882
wow imagine that, basshole scribe fucking sucks and is wrong again

>>54568895
Nah, I'm the one who sucks, I misunderstood how you add Ion Rifles to the squad.

>>54568884
it does, however i'm just wondering if there are any other restrictions

>>54568898
Both and 100% agreed

>>54566957

Why are we all pretending to care about this campaign?

>>54567484
> Mortarion killed all the death shroud
Source? When the fuck was this

>>54568245
>I'm a red shirt
>Imperials are winning! But only because of primaris, trust me
really fires the synapses
>inb4 more shilling of dadbodmarines via manlet trolling

Is it worth it to take a Custodes squad with a Space Marine army for shits and giggles? Seems like a fun unit to throw on because why not.

>>54568919
Do it

>>54568919
I just ordered some in and rather excited to use them, since my marines are more shooty, so the Custodes melee will make for some fun.

Painting them will be the real fun part.

>>54568936
My marines are mostly combat bois so I'm not sure how it'll pan out. Although the idea of having bananas fielded alongside my termies and bikes sounds fun. Also jesus with all that gold I might need to buy a new pot of Retributor.

>>54567160

>Redemptor

Eh

I have 20 dreads and no way am I buying one of those.

>>54568863
>But the Primaris can't form Crusader Squads? And I've heard those were pretty flexible and good
They can't no, but you can freely mix primaris and non marines in the same army. If you want crusader squads just take them.

>>54568901
they really need to FAQ armour indomitus to be restricted to infantry models with a 3+ save
but, yeah, RAW it's possible.

>>54568794
It can't be any more dangerous than the flammable paints and sprays that cover them, or transporting them in a hot car.

>>54568950
Yea I only got one squad of five coming in, would like to get a total of 35 for essentialy a 2000 point golden army.

For me I got a mostly blue army codex divergent ultramarine descendant so the gold will be a real eye catcher, so I will be following Duncans video closely for painting them since they will essentially be centerpiece models.

Plastic Sisters when ?

>>54568919
That's 60 pts base per model, Anon. Hope you know what you're doing.

>>54568972
hell yeah, chaplain diomedes is now in dreadnought form

>>54567129
Wtf is that even?

>>54568973
Except that it will turn yellow and ooze a very pleasant smell when it go bad.

But yeah let's just it anyway, I mean HIV transmit rate through unprotected sex is like super low right? How can RNG screw me over?

>>54568918
It's actually because of painting primaris, nothing more really. YMMV depending on your local scene of course!

What's the deal in your local shop? Where you play?

>>54568990
Everytime s9me asks GW delays it a day, we're up to 2063.

>>54568400
> I cuck for chaos
Make the shirts, someone fund that shit

>>54569000
It sounds ,like you did something weird.
Baking soda snow gws been the standard locally for well over a decade and neither of those things has come up.

>>54569000
Mmmmmmkay

Going to drop this big spoiler for the entirety of 40k plot The Emperor is actually a genestealer. The first genestealer and most powerful. This is why the Tyranids are moving towards Terra because he is signalling them. Also why the GSC worship an Emperor. He is the leader of the Tyranids.

>>54569055
Praise be the 4 armed Emperor.

>>54568954

WHY NOT?

>>54568954
> 20 dreads
> all of them dreadlets
When will they learn?

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>Finally get an email about Basilisks being back in the store.
>Website sold out by the time I am able to check.

For fucks sake. Is it douchebags scalping EVERYTHING they put up? Why are they taking 3 years to get things back in stock?

>>54568245
Actually there might be some truth to this.
My local Gamestore has an Imperium win but the store owner is an Imperium player, there are 3 Chaos players here total, and I saw Imperium and Xenos players farming wins off each other.
There should have been a rule where if Xenos wins they take it away from whichever faction they beat instead of them choosing.
And even with that bullshit and there being 3 of us the current points is 40-30 in our store. Not exactly a stunning lead considering how heavily outnumbered we are.

>>54569034
I never used it, but I lurk around and found lots of people having problem with it, so why even take the risk with it.

But like it didn't even matter to me, it's your model, maybe when your model go bad you can have a blog post about it.

That remind me of the "Photobucket" incident that hit lots of blogs recently, Like holy hell did these guys not know it's a shit imagehost and keep use it until it screw them over anyway.

>>54569106
They let kids play with it all the time to make snowman pictures and shit. It's fine.

>>54569072

Partially because it looks weird: Arms and legs look like they came from a different model than the torso.

The cincher though is it has no tactical role for my dread army whatsoever. I guess if it had POTMS it would be okay as a horde clearer which could double as an extra power fist.

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Stupid iPhone focus
Anyway, any tips on shading like in the pic? Can't seem to get it into the recesses without getting paint all over

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>>54569144
The shoulder that is

>>54569106
Any soda snow tutorial mentions adding little white paint. Which means it never yellows.

Seriously baking soda is perfect for snow. Its cheap, easy to use, looks right and has no downsides.

>>54567655
Yes but it's in French, does that matter

>>54569152
yup

>>54569144
>>54569149
Learn to take a photo, also >>54556431

How many models could a Repulsor transport again? I forgot.

>>54567710
Looks great, but put the results in that box for the dial

>>54569184
As many as the amount of models you can physically cram inside the repulsor

>>54567715
Probably a deathguard, also
>black legion
>no foreign element
Abbadon welcomed all refugees

>>54569184
10 chads

>>54569200
No wonder he's a fucking failure.

>>54567725
Get the Heresy plastics and model details on yourself with greensyuff
>>54567737
>pertuabo
But he's the best primarch, only sanguinius and vulken come close

CODEX: CHAOS SPACE MARINES Order from 05-Aug-17 Release Date 12-Aug-17 60US/$
CODEX: GREY KNIGHTS Order from 05-Aug-17 Release Date 12-Aug-17 60US/$
Start Collecting! Grey Knights Order from 05-Aug-17 Release Date 12-Aug-17 80US/$

>>54567891
He's a chaplain now

>>54569235
[CITATION NEEDED]

Also, while I have no evidence, GK before CSM seems silly from a lore perspective. Introducing the faction that's a counter to Chaos before chaos is a bit odd.

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>>54569181
Thanks anon but before I download and go through like 50 vids, do people usually cover up after shading or do I just gotta git gud?

>>54569181
>stop posting models in /40kg/
Fuck off.

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>>54569235
Is this for real

>>54569235
>Start Collecting! Grey Knights Order from 05-Aug-17 Release Date 12-Aug-17 80US/$
I'm interested.

>>54569250
>I can't read dates

>>54569235
Finally getting a start collecting box?
About time

>>54569250
Itunes accidentally put the CSM preorder up already. Same date. So this is probably legit as well.

Saw someone at my GW playing Sisters. A model fell from the top floor of a tower, arm broke clean off the fucking thing.

Now I understand the call for plastic Sisters. It was horrifying to watch. Sister Players, you have my sympathies. I'm sorry I was so blind.

>>54567715

I can't find the fluff but I remember reading a while ago about the black legion learning the secrets to making berserkers, and in a recent white dwarf they covered painting Iron Warriors Plague Marines, so it's probably OK to run a pure BL while still having god specific units

>>54569253
He's going to get better advice in there than the grey tide having fuckers in this shithole; I'm doing anon a favour by pointing him in the right direction

>>54569320
Just glue the arm back on? People want plastic sisters so they're easier to model with, not because they have no structural integrity. Also some morons think the high cost is due to them being metal, despite metal guardsmen squads being half the price and plastic scions being more for 10.

>>54567715

The Black Legion is Abaddons personal troupe, and as he's exalted as the...'Warmaster of Chaos', it's not unlikely that his legion has its own Berserkers, Plague Marines and Noise Marines, with them forsaking their old allegiances and throwing their lot in with the BL.

While that means they wouldn't be original Luna Wolves, they'd still be members of the BL., even if newly indoctrinated.

Not sure if that logic works with Rubrics, however.

>>54569214
>not even enough for a full sized Aggressor Squad
Cawl, you fucked up

>>54569361
TS sorcerer joins the bl
brings his own dustbots

>>54569235
Provide source. At once

>>54569337
Oh right sorry anon, din't see you directed me to WIP, shoulda post there instead yeah

I've got the Primaris librarian to paint, but does he HAVE to be in blue?

>>54569402
Yes or you won't be able to use it in any GW store.

>>54569402
Depends how strictly your chapter adheres to the Codex Astartes.

>>54569235
A SC! GK box is all it would take for me to crack and start a GK army.

>>54569235
I want to know the Legion Bonuses. Will Black Legion be as OP as Ultramarines?

When the new primaris stuff is out, will it be possible to run a competitive primaris only force?

I'm playing just with the dark imperium stuff, but the guys I'm playing against have a lot more invested in the hobby with stuff like contemptor dreads and hordes of ork boyz

I'm hoping that the redemptor will give my force more ability to deal with heavier units, and aggressors will counter the ork hordes, what do you think?

>>54569463
>will it be possible to run a competitive primaris only force?

not with how expensive they are to run

>>54569463

>I'm hoping that the redemptor will give my force more ability to deal with heavier units

I hate to break this to you anon, but the Redemptor is categorically an anti-horde unit.

>>54567891
Diomedes is basically identical to the chaplain in terminator armor

I would autobuy a special version of him though, that can gorgutz

>>54569463

Chads are supplementary to basic Marines, they're too expensive to run solo purely because 8e endorses 'Death by a million pinpricks". You'll be swarmed off the board even by basic Marines.

>>54569456
I'd bet actual money they get the exact same bonus as the Ultramarines Chapter Tactic.

>>54569463
I think their big problem is getting around the field, and reaching distant objectives. Reivers & raven guard can solve this in different way, but IMO they'll only really be viable as a standalone once they've got their transport.

>>54569402
depnd on how codex compliant your chapter is. Probably a good idea to at least allude to a blue scheme though, maybe a blue pauldron or psychic hood.

There was a good article in White Dwarf (15 years ago or more) with a dude who had his Deathwing army all in bone including the officers who then had their robes coloured to fit their profession (Eziekiel in Blue, Azreal in Green, Asmodai in Black)

>>54569463

>Redemptor vs Contemptor

Contemptor hits on a 2+ and wounds on a 2+, you'll only get a 6+ save.

You hit on a 3+ and wound on a 2+, it gets a 5++.

It also has the better ranged weapons for hurting you.

If we go to forge world, this gets worse as the Contemptor can take a chainfist, a much broader list of ranged weapons, and gets 2 extra wounds, a 2+ save and can ignore wounds on a 6+ even after failing an invulnerable.

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What are some sublte hints someone could be a ''That Guy''?

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What's their regiment bonus gonna be, /tg/?

>>54569330
The plague marines are not IW but a war band of grey plague marines that allied itself with Dan's IW army
Berserkers are butcher nails marines, so constantly dwindling
>>54569337
Anon most of us are painting now haven't you been in the last theee threads

>>54569536
Rolling the dice and immediately picking them up before you can get a proper look at the results but claiming they were good rolls.

Also, getting really mad about bad dice rolls, no matter how great the rest of the game has gone for them, especially if you've been rolling poorly yourself.

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The Primaris Chaplain looks great.

Kudos to GW.

Why would the Phoenix Lords follow/support the Ynnari?

>>54569538
i'dd just give them the same bonus as salamanders

>>54569538
rerolls to morale

>>54567030
>illegal/10

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>>54569570
Had you seen the rules of pic related? They are broken as fuck.

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Recommended point level? I know I've got a bout a thousand points worth unassembled.

>>54569578
SAuce please, i want one ASAP

>>54569536
Holding their opponent to different standards to themselves.
>just casually waves tape measure over their own models when moving/shooting, insists you measure exactly when moving/shooting with yours (and sometimes measuring for themselves to make sure)
>casual rolling as >>54569554 says, while examining your rolls intensely, staring at the dice for several seconds in case they've missed anything
>accepts their own cocked dice, insists you reroll yours
>measures your deployment zone exactly from the table edge to make sure none of your models are too far forward, having just plonked their own stuff down slightly arbitrarily
And so on.

>>54569578
Where is t his model from?

>>54569585
2000 seems to be the most played at competitive tournaments but the 1500 is super comfy

>>54567172
>Illegal/10
Try again

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>>54569538
Mastercrafted Lasguns, rerolling to hit without orders will be brutal, more interested what SAVLAR CHEM DOGS will get

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>>54569612
>>54569616
From GW silly just like >>54569570

Also new IG character

>>54569643
Have you seen new Gabriel Angelos model with energetic shield?

>>54569571
Because they're their best chance of getting Aisha back

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>>54569651
I'm pretty sure it is a Necron character

>>54569643
FINALLY a rogue trade model after all these years

>>54567076
>What they literally completely the whole thing.
What?

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>>54569661
I talked about this guy. He seems even taller than redemptor dreadnought

>>54569612
>>54569616
>https://klukvaminiatures.nethouse.ru/products/28003979
Reverse image search comrades

>>54569642

Roll D3 for each unit for chem drugs when game begins.
1 - +1" move and advance
2 - 6+ FnP
3 - Reroll 1s to hit when shooting

>>54569642
Full rerolls would be to much, probably just
Re rolls of 1.

Chem dogs will get something about combat stims, maybe 6+ ignore wounds 2nd "save"

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>>54569687
Fake.
Those models are from GW just like this new GSC character.

what the fuck is a global campaign and how does it work

>>54569585
Check your FLGS as to what they play at. 2k points appears to be a running standard right now, but some places may have their own favored points. Those could include 1k, 1500, 1750, 1850 (shit) and some places like higher, like 2500.

>>54567953
>Fly
You almost had me there, anon

>>54569714

You know sometimes I really wish Blizz had made Starcraft complex enough to compete with 40k's universe. SC1 was extremely cool and had potential as a sci-fi. Then they pussied out with SC2 and made it a puddle-deep generic cartoon.

Are tempestus scions getting deleted or what?
I've never seen them on the table once, and yet they are all sold out on the GW site, and the starter box for them is out of production.

Shame since they seem so good this edition.

>>54569715
it doesnt, it's rigged towards imperium even if you win matches for chaos and xenos

>>54569740
they are sold out because they are insanely good right now even after the nerf, especially the tauroxes

>>54569738
Essence! Essence! Essence! First born! First born! First born!
>I'm going to kill Kerrigan!
>sweet zergy boobies! All is right!

>>54569082
just place an order at your local GW and they'll get it as part of their inventory shipment when they become available

>>54569529

What would you suggest is the way to get around forgeworld contemptors then?

Honestly I think it was kind of shitty that my opponent brought two FW contemptors when they knew my only heavy weapons are a squad of hellblasters.

>>54569483

What about the bigger plasma incinerator?

>>54569499
>>54569476

It's a real shame that they've drawn new people into the hobby with the primaris stuff then - I know it's silly but the idea of fielding regular marines next to the chads is so unappealing.

>>54569740
Because people keep on buying them
>>54569738
How was if generic, I mean you had funny Russian half Zerg who made one liners, and a super Psyker who became a sniper who became a hive queen and made them all speak English

>>54569740
its not sold out in the UK

>and the starter box for them is out of production.

source?

>>54569767
>FW contemptors
>when it's been in the codex since calth
Wew lad, just buy a quad las pred

>>54569762
I don't think it works like that does it? If it's out of stock online, the store can't order it

>>54569787
No but store orders get priority once they restock.

>>54569779

What's the significance of the contemptor being in the codex?

>>54569807
Means you should stop moaning that it's forgeworld and just call him a WAAC fag, a devastor squad of 5 lascannons also works in rhinos

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>>54569776
Maybe it's just here, but they dropped them completely