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Harlequins Edition

Previously:>>54559101

>Konor Campaign: Chaos STILL BTFO edition
https://konor.warhammer40000.com/

>Check your local store's contribution
https://warhammer40000.com/fate-konor-galaxy-flames/

>New Duncans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCybi5r71RE&t [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9aMBc9Lxg&t [Embed]

>GW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/23/updated-faqs-and-boots-on-the-groundgw-homepage-post-2/

>FW FAQ (1.1):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/07/15/new-and-updated-forge-world-faqs-july16gw-homepage-post-2/

>Latest news :
https://www.warhammer-community.com

>Rules and such. Use Readium on pc/iphone, lithium/kobo on android:
>Everything 8th edition in pdf(and epub), SW:A, WIP and BB are here too, no novels.
https://mega.nz/#F!64wmnBZR!rWcm37EkOOeToeueqhPjpA

>novels here
https://mega.nz/#F!BxI1HSgI!0tKymKh9RZTzGpgIA5EyCg

>Other megas
https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ
https://mega.nz/#F!9NchGZyZ!-V1LhJALxDp9Tw97WzEQGA (no 8e stuff here)

>WIP Math-hammer doc (Chart-Anon doing Abaddon's work)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h0hk_IdJ7fivDEjMiIpKM5yMMB8HTm64lZHuKdLZCIU/edit?usp=sharing
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Whats the most FUN out of the recent tactics released? Going to be playing the same two drunk assholes every weekend I need to have a good time. Winning is cool but I need fun first
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Almost done with my Harlequins list, just need some advice for finishing touches:

1 Troupe Master - Embrace, Fusion - 73
1 Solitaire - 117
2 Death Jester - 150
8 Harlequins - Embrace, Fusion - 232
8 Harlequins - Embrace, Fusion - 232
6 Skyweavers - Zephyrglaive - 264
1 Starweaver - 99
EMBARKED
1 Shadowseer - 134
5 Harlequins - Fusion - 120
1 Starweaver - 99
EMBARKED
1 Shadowseer - 134
5 Harlequins - Fusion - 120

This comes to 1774 points. Do I throw in 7 more kitted out clowns, or do I throw in another Starweaver with 5 Harlies and fusion pistols? Either way I'm gonna have ~10 points leftover.
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for the 7th to 8th edition buttblasted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1va1vbGqwyg
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>>54562721
I fucking love this video.
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Looking for a pdf of the 3rd ed rulebook, is there one?
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what AM units have synergy with GSC/Tyranid units, aside from long range firepower via tanks or something?

Still slightly sad I can't get GSC Chimeras (or even anAM Stormlord) and load it full of hormagaunts.
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>>54562993
Sentinels for cheap and durable chaff to tar pit stuff and banewolf+variants for close range support.
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Chaos get your shit together! We didint jump all the way to this back water to watch you fuck up!
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>>54562721
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>>54562589
Get out of here funny clown elves. Make way for the true masters of the webway!
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I want to start a new army for 8th.

I've been playing Eldar until now. The problems I have with Eldar are the following;

1) Limited Conversion Options
2) Overly "clean" making them very hard to paint. One small mistake ruins the look of the model.
3) Related to #2, but its hard to pull things like drybrushing, or washing or "quick painting" techniques on Eldar models well. Doing so makes them look ugly as fuck.

Is there any army that you guys can recommend that can scratch my itch?
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>>54563067
>"and then, right as im flaying the children, the mother walks in. You shoulda seen the look on her face!"
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>>54563019
don't GSC already have access to tarpit units through tyranids with carnifexes, spore mines, and rippers?

>>54563088
Genestealer Cults
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>>54563088
Nurgle
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>>54563088
CSM or Orks. You can pretty much do fucking everything conversion-wise on them and it'll fly, they're very detailed while still having some flat spots, and those details shine a lot more with techniques like drybrushing and washes.
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It looks like Intercessor and Hellblaster squads are intended to be five strong instead of ten.
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I’ve always wanted to do a Ordo Hereticus Inquisition army after first seeing pic related but I’m not sure what models to get exactly. So far I’ve got Greyfax and two squads of Tempestus Scions to use as inq stormtroopers. I was thinking rhinos for transport but I have no idea what else I would need. I only really want a small force of about 1k points or so.
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>>54563209
use chimeras instead of rhinos
also get a hellhound or two because fire
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>>54563088
CSM, specifically Nurgle if you want to try converting models with green stuff and you can really have lots of fun painting things dirty. I got back into 40k a year ago because of Nurgle conversions.
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I have been advised that Exorcists are shit, so I tweaked this list a little. Any other feedback?

++ Battalion Detachment +3CP (Adepta Sororitas) ++
Celestine: Celestine, 2x Geminae Superia
Canoness: Bolt pistol, Power sword
Battle Sister Squad (9): 2x Flamer, Combi-flamer, Power maul
Battle Sister Squad (9): 2x Flamer, Combi-flamer, Power maul
Battle Sister Squad (10): 3x Storm bolter
Dominion Squad (5): 4x Meltagun, Combi-melta
Dominion Squad (5): 4x Meltagun, Combi-melta
Seraphim Squad (10): 2x Twin inferno pistols, Plasma pistol, Power sword
Repressor: Hunter-killer missile
Repressor: Hunter-killer missile
Rhino
Rhino

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium) ++
Greyfax
Vindicare Assassin
Vigilators (5)
Vigilators (5)
Null-Maiden Rhino
Lightning Strike Fighter

++ Total: [114 PL, 2000pts] ++
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>tfw you will never paint minis this well

feels bad, man
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I'm looking to start a CSM army and can't decide between Iron Warriors and Black Legion.

IW are easier to paint and I feel I can get away with less chaos spikes and frills on the tanks.

BL however have Abaddon and I like the idea of playing the poster boy force, plus it's more thematic for them to be old school composition with a squad of Plague marines etc mixed in.

Thoughts?
>inb4 NPC
Nobody in my gaming group plays chaos so I'm just branching out for the sake of diversity, plus codex soon.
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>>54563203
im gonna use the 3man squad from the easybuild kit to make people mad.
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>>54563349
>plus codex soon.
Wait for the codex. Between then and mow go read the fluff.
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>>54563362
Legal as long you as spend the 40 points for the two guys you're not fielding.

Wouldn't make me mad though.
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So I've got to askthis. But how does this make everyone feel?

I figure a crap ton of people will be happy to hear this has happened to CUNTO SICARIOUS
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>>54563349

>tfw patiently waiting for daemon Angron model so I can make my Khorne army one day
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>>54562761

I have a 3rd ed book I can look at for you.
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>>54563203
The new marine codex allows them to go up to ten, however.
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>>54563402
Corrupted traitor UM please.
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>>54563411

You could just start it now and only ha e Angron to paint when he comes out.
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>>54563400
>he doesn't spend 1cp to field understrength units and pay only the points for the fielded units
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>>54563402
He's already back out in Dark Imperium, its just more book fodder for later Anon.
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>>54563402
Chaos Sicarious. We couldn't keep him because he was technically a manlet. BANISH HIM TO THE WARP!
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>>54563435
what strategem/formation/rule is that?
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Does anyone know where I can find the rule that states that the codex overrules the rulebook? I know it's common sense that it does but I know some retards that say certain things don't.
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Baneblade in stock when
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>>54563326
quit your bitching and practice
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>>54563411
>not having an Angron for every occasion
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>>54563466
new faq
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>Remember people playing Space Wolves back in 2004
>Just some marines with a viking vibe, unorthodox dudes that liked to have some wolf pelts, use axes and believed in runic power
>come back to modern day and see whats happened to them

Wtf did they do to these guys and why are they so utterly zaney? Its too much even for 40k standards.

what is pic related supposed to be? why are marines riding wolves? wouldn't the size and weight of marines break their backs in two? i remember wulfen being these eye of terror dudes corrupted by the warp, but now their models look terrible.
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>>54563411
Honestly, he's going to be just a bloodthirster in stats anyway,
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>>54563491
It's because wolf players are degenerates and GW will cater to those degenerates.
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>>54563491
I always forget just how bad that model is. Count the wolves /tg/ I dare you.
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>>54563491
I think some of it is fine. Like the thunderwolves or wulfen. Wulfen being like some crazy bersker going too far stuff. But everything being called "wolf this" or the wolf chariot is just retarded.
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>>54563486
That is pretty fucking good.
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>>54563491
Phill Kelly happened in 5th edition, the models are probably Jervis' fault as he's the head of the design team if Im not mistaken.
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>>54563497
Yeah just like Magnus has the exact same stats as a Lord of Change.
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>>54563491
>model so bad that even Ork players don't loot it.
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>>54563585
Even Orks know what garbage looks like.
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One of the Carcharodon anons here. I have a preliminary list I threw together based on shit I know I have. How does it look? I want to eventually get some Speeder Storms and put Shotgun scouts inside, but that's later.

Battalion - 2000pts 101PL

>HQ
Tyberos, the Red Wake
Librarian w/Sword and PP

>Troops
Tac Marines x10
Combi-Plas, Plasma, Lascannon

Tac Marines x10
Combi-Plas, Plasma, Lascannon

Tac Marines x5
Combi-Plas, Plasma

>Elite
Contemptor w/Asscannon

Company Vets x5
Chainswords and Combi-Plas x5

Tartaros Terminators x10
Lightning Claws x7, Reaper AC + CF x2, Sword + Plasma Blaster

>Fast
Assault Marines x10
PP+CS x2, Evicerator x2, pair of claws

>Dedicated Transport
Drop Pod
Drop Pod
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>not calling intercessors
>intercoursers
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>>54563491
I suppose they could've taken it in the other direction and their unique flyer would be a giant hovering longboat with an Ice Cannon on it.
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>>54563209
Your next purchase should be an assault church.
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>>54563620
Now that's orky.
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>>54563491
This was the period where they were ruining the brand with terrible toylike oc gimmick miniatures
>flying shoeboxes
>santa sleighs
>potatocopters
>toddler autismframe centurions
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>>54563326
>implying I want to work that hard to meticulous highlight everything
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>>54563607
My man! Nice and fluffy any way to throw some scouts in that bitch?
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>>54563414
I'm actually looking for the early army lists in the back. I've found pdfs with the first 163 pages, but not the rest of the book.
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>>54563608
>that player that "accidentally" called Inceptors "Incestors"
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When you make a new thread, link it in the old one please. This is happening with such regularity I suspect it's the same person.
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>>54563491

the only guys left who could be subtle about wolf iconography were luna wolves and even when becoming the black legion they still honour wolves to some degree without it being retarded and in your face like modern wolfy wolf wolf wolf viking lol i love runes btw norse mythology fucking everywhere space wolves. i feel gw really dropped the ball when it came to space wolves, subtly is what worked for the chapter with slight differences that made them compelling. GW just decided to rub it in your face and make them completely ridiculous, even a little embarrassing to collect.
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>>54563658

Yea I can easily trade the some Tacs for scouts. However, I don't have any. In fact, my first list had the shotty storm scouts, but then I figured I'd make. List of shit I actually own.
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>>54562589
BAZINGA
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>>54563486

The left gladiator Angron is great, but what is the second left Angron meant for? Did he just make it before 30k came out?
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>mfw there won't be a hobbyist revolution that demands GW to stop creating shit artwork for the Primarchs, especially The Lion and Sanguinius

Sweet dreams are made of memes...
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>>54563719
Well hell yeah man I like it I say go with what ya got for now! Glad to see the updates from ya Anon.
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>>54563203
Mind taking pics of the fluff sections for Helbrecht and the most metal of ministers, my boy Grimaldus?
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>>54563691
>mfw i do this everytime
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>>54563326
I don't agree with that choice of gold. It's too yellow, especially if he is going to paint it as beaten metal with that much dark spots on it. There's nothing wrong with the paintjob itself, just that one choice of color. Should've used a more orange or dark gold, or bronze or something.
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>>54563743
I don't have the book. The image is from GW's site.
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>>54563349
>IW
>Easier to paint
>Thank black legion of all legions

What are you smoking? If you're planning on doing them without hazard stripes then go black legion.
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>>54562721
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>yfw you realise that Adeptus Ministorum is just a legacy Index and it's over for any hope of plastics
Cause I can't see GW making ANOTHER AM abbreviated codex. What the fuck would they add?
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>>54563804
than*
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Had a 1000 pt game tonight against Tau who had two commanders with fusion blasters, several squads of fire warriors, a single missile broadside, and six squads of drones. I was surprised he didn't bring more broadsides.

I had a Tech-Priest, grav servitors, sniper Rangers in a tower, plasma Vanguard, Infiltrators, a neutron Onager, and three dragoons. Even though as Imperium I was defending, I still managed to seize and started wiping out drones with Infiltrators and stripped most of the wounds off the broadside Turn One. The infiltrators charged into the commander and after that it was pretty one-sided, though the second commander dropped in mid-game and took out the last of my grav destroyers, Vanguard, and Tech-Priest. However, the sniper Rangers took him out in turn. The dragoons spent their time wiping out fire warrior and drone squads, being a huge distraction well worth the points, but if I hadn't gotten first turn, I suspect things would have been quite different for me.
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Did anyone play any Fate of Konor games today?

We did a 3v3, 1000 points each player game today. On our side it was Custodes and Primaris, next guy was some Supreme Detachment of Celestine, Draigo and other Terminator Librarians and me as Guard. Enemy was Orks, Necrons and Eldar.

The Custodes and Primaris guy lost like a couple of Custodes and took some wounds on his Land Raider. The Supreme Detachment guy lost the Celestine twins a few times, but otherwise didn't get hurt. Lots of my units either got killed or severely hurt. Eldar were completely wiped out, Orks still had a lot left, but it wasn't going to help them because it was all these grot artillery type guns that were S8 and stationary all game. Necrons had a good amount left, but I had pushed them pretty far back with Conscripts.

Highlights were me burning a command point to re-roll the seize after someone else failed. Rolled and didn't even look, just heard everyone go "OOOOH". The Necron guy rolled 10 out of 11 Warrior reanimations on a 4+ thanks to his lord guy. An Astropath used his 1D6 Smite attempt and killed an Ork Warboss. Custodes had an epic battle with a Wraithknight that I couldn't see at all thanks to terrain, but I heard it was cool. The Custodes then proceeded to sit in a Land Raider the rest of the game and the Primaris Marines sat in cover and took pot shots all game. Once most of my stuff died, all that was left was the tall boys to be victorious.
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>>54563826
I use to believe that but then GSC came back from death
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>>54563804

IW are super easy to paint because non-bright silver is super easy to paint thanks to Nuln Oil and decent metallic acrylics. It's only hard when you get to the hazard stripes. Compare IW to Lamenters and tell me they're not easy. IW are the Necrons of Space Marines.
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>>54563826
>What the fuck would they add?

The new Sororitas units.
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>>54563620
Hey a Leviathan! I was planning on making one of those someday; priced it out though and it ends up being like almost 1000$ in parts though. But someday.
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So Primaris sisters has been talked about recently. I noticed a company is kickstarting a not-sisters line. They look like they could be in Primaris proportions.
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>>54563877
Leave Angharad alone!
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>>54563857
Sounds awesome Anon! What unit did you have that performed well? Here's a shot of my Infiltraitors beating up a Tau commander. (Phonepost likely)
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>>54563877
She has some nice proportions

if you know what i mean
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>>54563349
as it stands now .. black legion .. why Abbadon.

re-roll misses
auto pass morale tests
6 attacks that will skullfuck everything in melee + up to 6 more attacks from sword
2+ 4++ saves
can summon any deamon type if you are stuck playing PL game.

for now till the dex comes out .. why play any other csm chapter?
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CSM codex is up for preorder on the itunes store.
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Do black legion players actually use the old Abaddon model? It's so tiny and crappy. If I played that faction I would only use the 30k version or a custom conversion.
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>>54562662
Starweaver.

I'd get rid of 1 Death Jester to squeeze in another Troupe Master tho. As Death Jester is pretty "meh" to me.
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>>54563861
Yeah but that was to give Nids some allies cause Nids were bitching there wasn't any and it wasn't fair. So I'm happy for you (GSC fans) but I just don't see it. It's been, what, 17 years since the release of SoB?

>>54563877
I knew what it would be before I hovered over it. Sigmarines were always able to be women and that's not really relevant. I just don't see GW doing it.

>>54563895
She isn't even a relevant model. She's just some run of the mill Liberator.

>>54563915
Not for you! Get out!
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>>54563742

Thanks! Still have some deldar to do, but it's always nice to plan things out.
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>>54563857
2v2 50 power levels each, SM and Nurgle vs DA and Mechanicus. Three bloat drones flew around the battlefield being annoying and then four dreadnoughts plowed into everything else.
Those drones are scary tough, it took 2 ranger squads, 2 icarus array dunecralwers and 2 Magos to kill one
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>>54563935
Isn't there a 40K forgeworld one too?
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>>54563930
This just united Chaos? How does Death Guard et al specific codex differ? Just different strats and shit?
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>>54563930
>CSM codex is up for preorder on the itunes store.


goddammit hurry up with the space marine codex .. need the space for the csm one next.
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>>54563865
And when you get to the stripes it becomes much much harder than black legion.
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>>54563930
So when is it out, next week?
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>>54563930
So it's confirmed that C: CSM will have 7 of the legions then.
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>>54563930
>recycled art
>recycled store catalog photos
>same buggy ass tooltips
chaos marinelets btfo you never stop paying off the sins of the 3.5 dex
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>>54563970
What is the context of this image?
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>>54563964
No idea. It doesn't have rules for Death Guard, which we knew about, and Thousand Sons, interestingly enough.

>>54563976
Anticipated release August 22
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>>54563661

Is there a specific one or two. I dont wanna take pics of half the book atm
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>cool ass fluff character
>miniature quality is dogshit

name 'em
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>>54563995
Some anons already received their 8th edition marine condex and aren't sharing the goods
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>>54564000
>Anticipated release August 22

Half way or so through the campaign. Huh.
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>>54563995
we don't have the "scan" of the SM dex yet. so hurry the fuck up and get in the scanner already.. so we can get the CSM one done asap
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>>54563972
just use the really tiny masking tape. Tamiya makes some
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>>54563945
Yes
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>>54563976
Preorder this Saturday, release next Saturday.

>>54563983
It says 8 right there. 1 for each original legion and 1 for renegade chapter. There is 7 specific Warlord traits.

>>54564000
So the chances of a EC and World Eater specific dex is low?

>>54563995
Poorfag pirate scum want people to buy the book and then upload it for free so they can buy more recasts.
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>>54564027
>>54564029
But why is the SM Codex mad as hell and fighting back?

But okay, thanks, Anons!
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>>54563985
>mfw GW got fed up with them and said "here take your fucking 3.5 legion rules" and released Traitor Legion supplement
>like one month later it becomes obsolete

If I had a folder of reaction images it'd be one of extreme mirth.
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>>54563857
Did 1500 points of Krieg (with a bit of Custodes and Inquisition) vs Death Guard.
It was actually a tight game. I had a lot more trouble with his blight drones than I anticipated, and they wound up eating my Inquisitor and the Custodes I brought.
Managed to pull through in the end once I'd killed off all his infantry via sheer volume of fire (and opponent having god awful luck with his morale checks)
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>>54564057
>so mad he can't even reply right
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>>54564021

Old one eye/red terror
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>>54564047
>So the chances of a EC and World Eater specific dex is low?


Did you fucking read the image
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>>54564047
Gurantee you that the "renegade chapter" is the Crimson Slaughter.
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>>54563906
Did you beat him to death or did he flee? Also is the game still going? What's performing well in your game?

Everything performed pretty well, but I was targeted by 2 armies most of the game so some stuff got crippled early on like Pask and the Manticore, so they still did well enough all things considered. Conscripts still have proven to be a fantastic nuisance. Astropaths did way better than I expected, especially with 1D6 Smite. I decided to ditch infantry squads in favor of more Conscripts and Heavy Weapon Squads and I'm very happy with that decision.

>>54563953
Oh wow. DG are going to be my second army and I have 2 Drones. They look pretty neat. Glad to hear they are tough. Was he running a pure Dread list? What kind of stuff did well for you?

>>54564052
That's sounds fun. I'm glad to see again that Drones are tough. I'm surprised the Custodes fell to something. I have trouble with them every game and everyone I know has trouble with them. They just tear shit up. Did you use any Death Riders?
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>>54564052
>Nurgle is trying to despoil Astramis
>We never not wear gas masks

Checkmate Chaos
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>>54563930
>[Renegades] can use Drop Pods
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>>54564021
This motherfucker right here deserves a better model than the dogshit one he has now.
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>>54564076
Aren't there like 12 guys left

And a helbrute
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>>54564072
Yes and that didn't answer my question. Death Guard are getting their own codex; Thousand Sons will likely as well. Therefore EC and WE might get one or they might not.

>>54564076
Yeah I think it is. Kranon got rules.
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>>54564083
>implying any of these CSMshits will take a drop pod in its current incarnation

If you'd notice, once 8E dropped all of them suddenly went quiet after bitching about not having drop pods for years, even though they had dreadclaws and kharybdis and other shit already.
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alright 40kg, ive finally chosen the army im going to get. after thinking for ages and finally having the money and time for it ive decided i will go for thousand sons.

that being said i was also tempted to buy the start collecting age of sigmar box (yes i know this isnt aosg) and using painting up the stormcast eternals and probably selling the chaos half.

would someone be able to recommend a set of paints and shades for thousand sons? i was thinking they would use some of the same things as stormcast eternals like retributor armor and reikland fleshshade as they are both blue and gold minis overall.
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>>54564088
Not until he becomes a Primaris.
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>>54564095
I wish more factions stayed barely alive like this

How fucking easy would it be to paint 12 guys and a Helbrute and have "the" Crimson Slaughter army. Or paint like 2 dudes and a Dreadnought and have the surviving Lamenters.

Fuck this hundreds of guys shit. Let me paint like two units and I'm done.
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>>54564106
Aren't dreadclaws just better drop pods anyway? Why complain about having to use better gear?
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>>54564083
>>54563930

"45 datasheets"

ok boys let's figure out if there are any new additions.

time to add up all the CSM vehicles/units/charcters available and find a total datasheet number.
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>>54564021
Ezekiel and Azrael. Update them damnit.
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>>54564115
Part of me wants to see that happen while the other part of me doesn't.

But I'd love to see him with 1 additional wound and attack and in Gravis armor. Can you imagine a T6 Mephiston?
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>>54564078
I don't have any riders yet, but I definitely plan on getting some.
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>>54563930
>Information and details of the 7 major Chaos Legions
>Thousand Sons and Death Guard not included because they have their own codex soon
>Apparently having your own codex means you're no longer one of the major Chaos marine legions

top kek
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>>54564071
OOE now comes as a head option in the Carnifex kit. That old 3e model is no long in use.
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>>54564115
>Primaries Mephiston
Might as well call him Sangüinius now
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>>54564117
Unfortunately only really Space Marines, Chaos or otherwise can pull that off; all other factions are too fragile or too quick to reproduce.

Relictors Space Marines would be a good one though.
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>>54564021
Abaddon, Azrael, and especially Ragnar.
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>>54563939

Can't :(
It's a battalion detachment. If I want another Troupe Master I have to get rid of one of the Shadowseers.

Also, fuck. That means I'm gonna have to find another Starweaver. Know how fucking hard those things are to get because of shitfuck assholes who buy em all and sell them on ebay for $60 a pop?
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1d4chan still says regular marines can become Primaris. That's been debunked right?

Because while Primaris marines are neat, regular marines are still way better.
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>>54562721
>Other people understand the Psychic Phase now
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>>54564021
ALL Eldar Phoenix Lords except Maugan Ra.
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>>54564131
Mephiston used to have the exact same stats as a Vampire Lord from fantasy, which was mostly sevens or higher I think.
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>>54564161
>trusting 1d4ddit
>ever
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>>54564146
>Sangeeinius

K.
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Is there a mega with the old 1st edition Rogue Trader stuff in it? doesn't seem to be one in the OP
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>>54564146
>Mephiston realizes the Black Rage is actually Sanguinius's soul trying to return to us
>he allows himself to become the avatar of Sanguinius due to his complete mastery over the rage
>Sanguinius is literally reborn
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>>54564161
No. Normal marines can be upgraded to Primaris status.
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>>54564161
Im sorry anon. Legacy marines are a thing of the the 41st millenium.
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>>54564021
Lucius the Eternal and Fabulous Bill. I feel like GW's new modeling techniques could really change things up for them. Longtime Tzneetch player, love what happened to my Thousand Sons.
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>>54564153
That hair style is the most stupid shit I ever see in my entire life.
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>>54564144

But that head has been there as a regeneration option for the 'fex since long before OOE's model was squated. Tgey literally just took a behemoth showcase model and slapped OOE next to it. Not that that's a bad model, but still, an alt 'fex model would be killer.
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>>54564161
Normal marines can be upgraded, GW said so on a stream.
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>>54564076
Nah, its just gonna be a <renegade> keyword to make your own shit and represent crimson slaughter AND red corsairs.
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Quick question; when theres a new founding of Space Marine Chapters, who decides the names and colour schemes in universe?

Is it something the founding Chapter does, or it determined by some pencil pusher in the Administratum? I would like to know for Your Dudes reasons.
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>>54564121
Because a Dreadclaw is 200 points and a Kharybdis is 300 for drop pods.

>>54564125
yfw it comes out smaller than the index list.
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>>54564131
He'd never go in Gravis Armour, but I'd love to see him with T6. If buffing him up to Primaris does what it should, he should be S6 T6 W7 or something. Rockfist should be S6 T5 as a Primaris. Mephiston isn't anything special. Or wasn't. He's special cause he got buffed by the Black Rage event. If a better skilled dude conquered it, they'd be better than Mephiston. As it is, Mephiston is just a slightly tougher Marine. He lost his Flying power and Fleet. At leas he gained a good FnP type buff. He was shit without one in 7th.

>>54564146
That Mephiston book where he comes to terms with it has him think that conquering the Black Rage is part of the goal of all Blood Angels and it unlocks the true potential of BA's by doing it. I can't remember how it ends, something like 'just be urself!'.

>>54564177
This is good advice but in this case they're right.
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>>54564131
>Can you imagine a T6 Mephiston?
He used to, back in fifth he had primarch like stats in all but WS and BS
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>>54564207
I don't actually think that has been established.
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>>54564110
I took Duncan's advice and used the Retributor armor spray paint as a base coat for my Thousand Sons, and it gave them a wonderful smooth gold for all the trim, which was very intricate. I followed that up with layers of thousand son blue.
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>>54564021
>>54564088
>>54564127
>>54564153
>>54564169

Do you morons really think GW is going to keep those old finecast shit around? They're already squatting shit to Indexes.

>b-but they can't squat muh main characters

Exactly, that's why look at pic related.
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>>54564207
Theres a veteran cadre that founds the chapter, they probably decide how it looks.
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>>54564232
>Lost Fleet
>Lost Transfixing Gaze
>Lost Wings of Sanguinius

Real shame desu. Mephiston is better than he was in 7th only cause he ignores wounds and MW on a 5+
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>>54564194
All the sons of horus were bad guys from the fist of the north star before being uplifted to astartes.
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>>54564245
Gorgutz when?
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>>54564207
I'm pretty sure the Chapter decides it if they are successors from a specific First Founding chapter. Their daddies usually give them a few veterans to lead the chapter which helps influence the color schemes and naming conventions.
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>>54564245
>Characters will now be decent quality FW resin models rather than GW failcast trash

I'm OK with this. FW in general should be focused more on characters and other highly detailed models rather than trying to mass-produce big tanks and walkers which are always warped to shit.
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>>54564266
How do people get so huge in a desolate wasteland with nothing to eat, anyway?
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>>54564294
Dunno dude, every new-ish dreadnought or knight I've gotten from them has been pretty much perfection.
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>>54564076
It's not "a Renegade Chapter" you dyslexic mongoloid, it's "Renegade Chapters", as in rules for making any renegades. It covers all of them.
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>>54564303

I too have wondered this, and have come to the conclusion that their diet most consist solely of semen protein.
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>>54564184
>>54564189

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK.

Fuck. I LIKE regular Marines. Primaris are fine as a supplement but not as a replacement. FUCK.
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>>54564303
People.
https://youtu.be/gFq0oiRZRbs?t=8m45s
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>>54564303
Being a bit larger is more efficient in colder climates without an abundance of food.
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>>54564245
>Do you morons really think GW is going to keep those old finecast shit around?
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>>54564245

>tfw Dawn of War 2 and 3 are absolute abysmal shit
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>>54564161
>That's been debunked right?

Fucking moron, bet you're the same idiot asking for the source of that constantly when the source is fucking GW themselves.
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>>54564338
Dude they're literally said to being replaced in the fluff. Regular Marines WILL be squatted eventually.
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>>54564078
I took some wounds off him but he flew up a building. The Infiltraitors chased after him and killed him handily. The game is over, I won, at home now with my dog thinking about what I need to paint.
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>>54564245
>that face
>thinking that fucking face is a good sign
Please off yourself
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>>54564353
>they literally made over a dozen plastic limited edition models they'll never produce again
>they literally make plastic HQs in monopose finecast poses with zero extra weapon options

You're an idiot if you think finecast is anything but a stopgap. Can you name a single mass production finecast model that was introduced as a new model after they started up finecast?
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>>54564355
>>>/v/
And no, they're not, but good job parroting opinions. I sure love all the fluffy stories in 40k about Space Marines building bases and collecting resources on a planet and stuff! DoW3 is exactly the same as DoW1 minus execution kills.

Don't reply to me, I don't want to talk about this and I don't give a shit about /v/'s opinion desu.
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>>54564338
What's the matter with you? They're literally just marines with a few new organs and bone extensions. It's the exact same process, just with more steps.
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>>54564378
>thinking any part of that post implied it was good

You first, we could do with less retarded faggots like you around.
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>>54564387
Belial and Asmodai
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>>54564378
Literally nothing wrong with that face. You can't even zoom in and look at the detail so you're literally just shitposting.
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>>54564338
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>>54564390

You have to go back.

>>>/pol/
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>>54564078
What's performing well are the Infiltraitors and Dragoons, both very fast flanking assault units that can potentially grab objectives, disrupt gunlines, or at least demand a certain amount of shooting to address which means squishy guys like Skitarii can move upfield and into range. Haven't played much with Kastellans yet, looking forward to it. Sorry for the double post.
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>>54564412
>nothing wrong with that face
Are you just pretending to be retarded or is your single digit IQ a gift from genetics?
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>>54564309
Maybe I've just been unlucky then, but everything larger than a space marine always needed a lot of work.

>>54564338
Nobody (maybe not even GW) is sure yet whether chad marines will entirely replace classic marines or not. Either way it's gonna take a loooong time before it happens, because GW is not gonna retire the molds for those recent marine models, that would basically make them wasted money.
>If it even is gonna happen at all, looking at the fact that there is almost zero overlap in rules and purpose between chads and classics.
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>>54563849
Broadsides are quite expensive for what they put out.
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>>54564436
>maybe not even GW
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>>54564430
Tut tut, ban evading are we? Again, you can't even see the detail and finally, if you think super fine detail on a face when you're using it in a fucking game is important, you're beyond help. Filtered.
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>>54564369
Not exactly, just that Guilliman seems to favor them over classic marines at the moment.
Same book mentions how Guilliman considers chad marines to be "Cawl's abominations"
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>late night
>shitposters on

American and Australian hours are the worse. Night /tg/.
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>>54564455
Ban evading? The fuck? And I'm not talking about whatever detail, I'm talking about the face sculpt as a whole looking completely abhorrent. Dumbfuck.
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>>54562721
>Still no plastic Sisters
Has a fucking point.
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>>54564470
See >>54564454 seems to imply they're gonna be replaced.
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>>54564473
>Late night
where?
>Australian Shitposters
Most of them are burgers, not many australians on at this time yet
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>>54564462
Trying but the imperium is putting us down! Why can't they just embrace papa Nurgle?
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>>54564473
>worse
>it's literally middle of workday in AU

I've been here on EU and UK peak hours, you faggots are way worse.
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>>54564396

It's more the models than anything. I didn't mind the "not truescale" marines.

It's just weird. Marines have been marines since the game began! The flagship is getting squatted.
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>>54564473
Why would you dipshits lie like this when you can blatantly view the archives for when it's YOUR hours and see threads just as bad. The shitposting is on 24/7, newfag.
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>>54564517
fuckin oath cunt
>>54562589
On an unrelated note, there was an aussie anon going to miranda GW to check if the manager allows FW now, if you're here anon, please give me an update
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>>54564473
The other day there was an entire thread of shitposting and the shitposters literally said they were going to bed.
It was still day time in australia.
>>54564473
Case in point
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>>54564396
its because of the models
I actually like them but they can't really be customized/kitbashed like old ones can, since a lot of the old gear won't fit on them. So no old marks of armor, that sorta thing, which is pretty lame.
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I'm guessing we don't have a pirate version of the Space Marines 8th Codex yet?
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>>54564387
>Do you morons really think GW is going to keep those old finecast shit around?
>stopgap

Yeah "stop gap" that last for the next 5 to 20 years.

Eldrad got plastic release and even so, the shitcast still remain on store.

What's your next prediction? Plastic SoB and Eldar Aspect warrior fighting eachother in a box game?
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>>54564555

>play minotaur army
>faggot manager doesn't let me play because moloc is from FW

never changed my local store so quick
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HEAR ME AUSTRALIANS
Muster your chaos war bands and bring the glory of the gods to you sectors!
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>>54563894
You talking about Raging Heroes's TGG or has someone else started a new kickstarter?
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>>54564555
How GW handles its stores is actually very similar to the Imperium. As long as the tithes are payed (in-store sales income) and nothing too outrageous happens, the planetary governor (store manager) is allowed to rule his planet (store) as he sees fit.
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>>54564509
Late night in Burgerland. It's gone past midnight.

>>54564517
Doubtful, but OK.

>>54564529
Maybe it's just luck?

>>54564574
No. Wouldn't be surprised if scanners don't bother scanning it due to the amount of begging, might resent actually paying for a product, you know?
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>>54564586
Seriously, why are Cheetahs the laughiest animal?
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>>54564013
The pages with "alternate" lists (Space Marine chapters, Ork tribes, Eldar Craftworlds and the like) would do for now.
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Has the codex leaked yet
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>>54564522
Soon I will have a new Astartes. One far taller and more profitable.
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>>54564623
>They are always up for a quick giggle
I'll see myself out.
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>>54564646

Opens up too
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>>54564640
No, the anons who got it already are being shellfish cunts and don't share the goods.
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>>54564013
And thanks!
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>>54564613
Of course im talking about a new one hence kickstarting and not kickstarted. shieldwolfminis
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>>54563930
>preorder
>digital medium
Really?
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>>54564646
Literally retarded
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>>54564671
>>54564640
They are too busy absorbing all that sweet sweet lore anons. Give them time.
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I am about to buy some models for this army. Any advice before I dive in? I had Dark Vengeance, but have always wanted to play Grey Knights. Points may be off a tad as I updated a few things, aiming for 2k.

Strike Squad, Psilencer, 107
Razorback Twin Las, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter, 123
Strike Squad, Psilencer, 107
Razorback Twin Las, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter, 123
Purgation Squad, load out unsure 177
Razorback Twin Autocannon, Hunter Killer, Storm Bolter, 108
Paladin,5, psilencer x2, 314
Grandmaster, 162
Grandmaster, 162
Apothecary, 90
Dreadknight, Greatsword, gatling psilencer, incinerator, teleporter, 237
Dreadknight, Greatsword, gatling psilencer, incinerator, teleporter, 237
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>>54564646
Matter of opinion.

Looks even more stupid than the closed sacrophagus. The beergut preventing the dread to see anything in front of it within half a yard is just so fucking stupid
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>>54564690
I just want rules without having to pay $40 for an ebook that has broken formatting or $50 for a bullshit codex when a horus heresy redbook is $40
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>>54564498
Yeah, but that is from Felix point of view.
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>>54564646
>>54564668
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I'd like some C&C on my 1850 Ultramarines list:

Battalion +3 CP
Chief Librarian Tigurius 130
Captain (A) 80
w/ power sword and storm shield
Apothecary 55
3xTactical squad 77+77+77
Sgt w/SB+CS
3 marines + 1 HB
3x Razorbacks 102+102+102
W/ twinAC, SB

Spearhead +1 CP
Captain (B) 80
w/ SB, PS
Predator 201
w/AutoC, LC sponsons
Devastator Squad 237
Sgt w/ SB, Ammo Cherub
5 marines
4 lascannons
Devastator squad 170
Sgt w/ bolter, Ammo Cherub
4 ML

Vanguard +1 CP
Primaris Lieutenant 74
Apothecary 55
Company Ancient 63
Venerable Dreadnaught 153

Should come in just under 1850, and net 8CP. Plan is the battalion rides out to objectives while spearhead and vanguard castle up. Dev marines cushion the lascannons and characters, company ancient helps Ld and lets dudes shoot when they drop, Apothecary gets them back up, and the Cpt. And Lt. reroll 1's on to hit and to wound rolls.
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>>54564702
Don't they see through a sensory array or something?
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>>54564390
Ok
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>>54564493
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>>54564702
>beergut

With dem hips and ass? That's a Pregnought.
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>>54564711
Oh I feel you wholeheartedly brother anon. I just like to think the best of a situation.
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>>54564702

It's the venerable dreadnought bit, not that weird t b h
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>>54564726
Correction on Captain (A): he's 93 points
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>>54562662
And I thought I was the only one who made the connection between Bionicle and Eldar. The 6 Phoenix Lords as Toa would be sick.
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>>54564693
Drop psilencers for psycannons. Psilencers are funky and no longer steaming hot garbarge, but still don't outperform a Psycannon.
Purgation squad should have 4 Psycannons.
One Grand Master is usually enough, GK are such a small army you don't really need two of the same support characters to spread the buff around.
Razorbacks can't have a twin linked autocannon.
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>>54564473
>tfw burger geographically near Aus
>They'll never know it was me shitposting during the "Vegemite hours"
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>>54564777
Go play the lottery in whatever backwoods your in 777 poster!
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>>54564693

Psycannons are still better than psilencers

Use a brotherhood champion as your second HQ, he's actually pretty good and cheap
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>>54564727
Unlike the good old Castaferrum boxnought, there isn't a single sensory array or camera to be seen on the entire Redemptor dread. It doesn't even have something above the ranged weapon ...
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>>54564646
>>54564668
Question is can we remove the beergut ?
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Can anyone tell me the points cost for the Repulsor, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, or Plasma Exterminator? Thanks.
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>>54564746
fffuuugggg

sisters confrimed for squatted
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>>54564810
Top left next to the sarcophagus?
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>>54564815

Yes it's completely optional, you are just left with two pegs you can cut off easily
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>>54564810
Yikes. Knowing Crawl that shit ain't even real battle brothers.. that shit is full A.I. Having robot with an alright preserved corpse in it.
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>>54564818
210 (before wargear)
6
28
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>>54564746
Fuck you.
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>>54563826
Well for one make it with SoB. If you want a pure church with no SoB, then give them the frater militia as shitty conscript level troops and other stuff like saints that perform 'miracles' or extremely tech'd out elites due to their wealth
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>>54563088
Dafuck is this horseface.
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>>54564852
Thanks!

Forgot to ask for the points on Krakstorm Grenade Launcher and Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber.
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>>54564810

not true
>>
Dumb army I'm thinking about for 100 PL defending konor:

Spearhead detachment
Captain with combi grav, jump pack, relic blade

4 full devastator squads with 5 bolter marines each, and split between the squads are 4 lascannons, 4 heavy bolters, 4 missile launchers, 2 plasma cannons, 2 grav cannons

Vanguard detachment
Chaplain
Apothecary
5 cataphractii with heavy flamer, 2 chainfists, 2 double LC, 1 power sword
Relic contemptor with kheres and chainfist
Stormraven with AC, HBs, and MMs carrying the detachment
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>>54564918

If anything the redemptor has more
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>>54564918
>Placed in an even worse position to for situational awareness than the sacrophagus' vision slit
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>>54564935
Seems like a lot of heavy firepower. You'll be very vulnerable to hordes.
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>>54564945
>At least 4 lenses can be seen on the boxnought
>Only 2 almost hidden ones on the redemptor

???
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>>54564914
4 and 6.
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>>54564462
The scenario this week is biased heavily in favor of imperials. Hopefully next week is the opposite or this whole campaign is going to be a fucking slog.
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>>54564965
No doubt. Might actually give the raven typoons to throw more frag missiles around. Can split off some of the bolter marines in combat squads to be speedbumps.
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Is there a limit to base size size on miniatures? I'm not sure if I can mount something on a bigger base or not
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>>54564021
Vect, Drazhar, and fucking Tigirius. Tigirius's mini is a steaming pile of re-digested dogshit and smegma. I want to slap whoever approved that atrocious mini design and said "Yeah, this looks good. Ship it."
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>>54564992
>biased heavily in favour of imperials
Is it though? seems like the attacker just needs to keep at least half their units alive, and with the 1CP stratagem that allows them to advance and charge, they should be able to alpha strike super hard
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>>54564987

3 lenses you fucktard, god damn are you blind
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So I've noticed a trend at my LGS. All the really fat players are WAACS. Is this a common thing among other stores.
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>>54564021
>No Ghaz

The current ghazzy is a warboss for ants. He needs to be at least 3 times larger. Considering his stats are now dreadnought-tier I think his size should match.
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>>54565087
Yes.

Well... depends. A trend I've noticed is that really fat players are the WAAC tryhards who copy netlists, while the players who actually create those original lists and win tournaments with them are all /fit/ chad looking assholes.
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>>54565087
The only really fat people that come to the LGS play MtG.
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What is this /tg/?
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>>54565087

grognards are all fatasses
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>>54565124
Looks like a lasgun
New guard models to replace cadians now cadia is BTFO?
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>>54565019
Your opponent has to kill 50% of your army and not get tabled to win. You on the other hand are playing to keep more than 50% of your army alive or table your opponent.

Assuming equally powerful armies, you will never have half your army alive at the end of turn 5.

Your opponent also has a very large deployment zone. That hugely benefits them if they're playing melee and works out
slightly in their favor if they're shooty.

Attacker's advantage is advancing and charging, this is only useful if you're a melee army and don't already have the ability to do this. Tau aren't going to get shit for this week. And to balance it out the Defender gets rerolls to hit on overwatch and penalties to charge range.

As the attacker you are looking to get an overwhelming victory via curbstomping your opponent. As defender all you have to do is not get curbstomped when you have the advantage. ergo the scenario favors defender.
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>>54565124
Lasgun. Get hype. Now if it was a gothic boobplate, we'd blow up.
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>>54565124
Necromunda ganger's gun. Because the gun are too fucking ugly.
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>>54565124
Oldmarines aren't worth the resources it takes to support them so they were ordered to turn in their wargear and join the Guard.
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>>54565005
As best I can tell there are no rules for base sizes anymore

so you can mount them on whatever base you please
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>>54564987

You must hate the leviathan...
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>>54564660
Rollers
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>>54565151
That's a fair assessment. I look forward to the challenge!
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>>54565124
Las pistol.
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>>54564244
duncan lays down a fucking huge list of paints so i was expecting to have maybe 5 or 6 paints for thousand sons,
something like:
retributor armmor,
thousand sons blue
nuln oil(not sure if necessary)
reikland fleshshade
imperial primer (cant spray where i am)

can someone suggest what to use for the tabards and the metal parts on their weapons? probably a dumb request but i want to be able to know exactly what im looking for when i walk in.
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>>54564602
Sounds like my store
"No FW"
FW on display
"Nah no one looks at displays"
Quality, proceeded to almost lose a game against an autistic polish IW player
>>54564618
Kek
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>>54565166
Hate is a strong word, but I don't like how it looks like an inflated regular boxnought.
At least it doesn't have a beergut obscuring 50% of it's vision
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>>54565180
Imba scenarios are fun once in a while. As long as GW mixes up who they favor or provides enough interesting variations you can't really complain too much.

I think what I liked least about playing this scenario was that the special rules all cost CP. Like unless you're bringing a brigade or more to your game, 2CP for the stratagems is expensive. I would have preferred a ONCE PER GAME cost or a passive buff instead. The flaw of once per game though is just that you declare your counter-charge ability in response to the supercharge and it's all a wash.
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>>54565225
If you don't want to throw down for paints consider mixing. Like you can get Light blue, neutral blue, and dark blue from a pot of white, black, and blue but Duncan is just going to tell you to buy Baharroth Blue, Enchanted Blue, and Night Lords Blue because that will guarantee consistency and he doesn't give a fuck about painting budget.

His guides are still worth following even if you don't bring the exact colors he suggests.
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>>54565124
Reminds me of the steel legion lasgun
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>>54563620
>assault church
Well that is in my top 5 of things I thought I would never hear.
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>>54565242
>that feel when I play shadow spectres in 500 pt games.

get shrekkkkktttt
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>>54565179
THE RED LEGION
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>>54564660
Rooolllaaaannn
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>>54564245

Oh yeah bro... quality.
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>>54565349
D'OH!
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>>54565349
I think he looks fine.
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>>54564935
Hurricane bolters on the storm raven if you can fit them have served me well, splitting fire on a flying tank like that is a godsend
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>>54565366
Yeah, they're on there already.
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>>54565099
Ghaz isn't offensively bad. Its just too small.
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>>54564997
I suggest you combat Squad it up just so your enemy is more likely to waste shots on a near dead 5-man unit versus letting those shots carry over to the rest of an only half-dead 10-man. What's more than that, of you're running combat squads you'll never have to worry about moral, since at that point the squad is wiped anyway.
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>>54565411

The issue with combat squads is you do it before deployment, which means you deploy them separately and therefore have a larger likelihood of going 2nd
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>>54565349
Gorilla face lookin ass
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>>54565349

The paint job is obviously the #1 reason why the head looks like shit, but I plan on using a Tartaros helm anyway because it is a 100% improvement.
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I don't know which Imperium faction I hate more, the Inquisition or the Ecclesiarchy.

Both are festering tumors that stain the Emperor's great work. I hope they are both destroyed one day.
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>>54565371
Oh, thought HB was heavy bolter, but MM is in that slot. Sorry, been a long day.
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>>54565411
>>54565427
Right, exactly. Combat squadding is only useful if it doesn't sacrifice my chance to go first.
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>>54565427
>Declare Combat Squad
>Deploy in transport
Wow that was hard.
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>>54565124
squatrifle
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>>54565459
My list doesn't have them in transports, so
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>>54565530

Actually, transports don't have to be assigned. You just deploy the transport and say what's inside.
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>>54565558
Yes, I know. My list does not have transports for these devastators. The only transport is a stormraven and that's already full.
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>>54565446
>>54565427
Well it depends on the cover available and what enemy you're fighting, but going second isn't always terrible. The only time any of my ideas work though is if you have good cover or a place to hide your troops without sacrificing mobility.

First off, of you're going second then that means you should be able to figure out your enemy's plan just from his deployment and first move. This'll allow you to use your first turn to cockblock him as hard as you can, while he spent his just trying to get a volley off at whatever looked scary.

Also, you'll have a cover advantage while he'llprobably have none, assuming he moved everything up. You'll get to pop out of your cover and be able to fire at anything you want without worrying about cover while he had to do the opposite (in the best case scenario).

To say it as clearly as possible, if you can hide all your good stuff then if you go second you can waste your enemy's first turn while still being able to utilize yours to its full potential. It's a great way to run out the clock against attrition-based horses, or to neuter shooting-based armies since now you're playing 5 shooting phases against 4.
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>>54565491
>GW kills WHF, advances 40k's plotline, and brings back Primarchs AND Squats before Sisters get plastics
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>>54565599
Pic relevant
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>>54565599
Yeah, try that theory against tyranids. The difference between being charged at the beginning of turn 2 and the end of turn 2 is the difference between winning and losing the match. And hell, sometimes it happens turn 1 anyway.
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>>54563620
>rifling on that massive bore cannon

It would be fucked after one shot.
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>>54565632
The idea is to neuter the enemy shooting phase, so yeah no never try that against a melee-heavy army.
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how viable are nidzilla armies in this edition?

I hear a lot about gaunt spam, but less about carifexes, trygons, and hive tyranids (and to a lesser extend, warriors)
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>>54565656
Well, melee horde armies are the current top armies in the meta. The only top tier army that would help against is guard.

>>54565668
I've lost every match vs genestealer spam and won every match vs nidzilla.
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>>54565435

If not for the ordo Malleus there would be no Imperium today
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>>54565679
>I've lost every match vs genestealer spam and won every match vs nidzilla.
that bad huh? Even flyrant spam? Not that I would do flyrant spam...
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>>54565716
Just shoot flyrants with lascannons and they die easy enough. You can only invest so many points into tyrant guard.
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>>54565751
how about something like this?
>a few big bugs
>minimalist GSC for holding objectives
>rest of points in close range tanks, maybe a baneblade variant or something
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>>54565124
Marbo ripper gun
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>>54565798
The problem with nidzilla is the best defense against big guns is tying them up in melee. If you've got some flyrants and hive crones or whatever going around charging stuff, the few things that got engaged can fall back and the rest of the army shoots you. You really need some 20 model genestealer blobs around to do some work. 30 model hormagaunt units will do in a pinch, they won't kill things but can spread out to engage a lot of units which limits return fire.
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>>54565679
Well who even cares about tiers? It's not like people can switch armies at the drop of the hat so what you play against is going to be all over the place, unless you're going to a tournament or something. Basically, if the enemy is shooty, and you've got cover, then you can pull this. If you can't fill both of those criteria, don't do this.
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>>54565833
I hear you there

All my current armies are mid to high model count armies, and I wouldn't mind a super low model count army, and kind of like bugs.
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>>54564660
Roll for funnies.
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>>54565887
Maybe try elder? They always made me thing of lobsters and those are kinda like bugs.
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I have access to some cheapish GK and am tempted to pick them up but I need to know what options do they have for anti armor? I just flipped through the index and didnt see much of it for them, what am I missing?
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>>54564646
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>>54565679
Made the mistake of going to a tournament recently, Poxwalker, Gaunt, and Brimstone Spam lists, why does anyone bother 1) playing those lists, or 2) play against those lists, bah
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>>54565887
the tyranid SC box gets a lot of shit for having gargoyles but you can actually incorporate them into a nidzilla force easily as a cheap way to tie up units while you close the gap, they still have deep strike right?
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Hey /tg/. I need your help.

I'm an Israeli. (inb4 antisemitism.) My grandfather was interned in a Nazi concentration camp during the war (inb4 Holocaust never happened) where he met my grandmother. They moved to Israel immediately after the war to escape further persecution, and both died a number of years ago. My grandmother died when I was very young, but I knew my grandfather fairly well.

So my question is, based off of this grueling family history, what army do you recommend I play?
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Sup /tg/, I have had issues with 40k as a game for quite some time and upon reflection I have boiled it down to three main issues:
>There are little in game tactical decisions that help you win or lose (with most games coming down to list building and deployment.
>The crunch does not reflect the fluff very well if at all.
> The fluff is getting more and more kid-friendly with less humor and gritty grimdark.
I have gotten to the point where I have converted and collected the models that interest me within the 40k universe and have decided that it is time to move on, does anyone have suggestions for my next game system?
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>>54565937
Smite spam, psycannons to an extent, lascannon razorbacks, various melee weapons.
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>>54565970
Dark Angels
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>>54565970
>what army do you recommend I play
I dont know, you guys are playing the us army pretty well, why faction swap now?
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>that one guy in the store who smells bad and gets all pissy when he plays anyone
What army does he play /40kg/
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>>54565988
Sheet, might just have to pick up a Landraider with las-cannons
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>>54565970
>Is a jew
>Comes to /tg/
>Instantly mentions jewishness
Go back to /pol/
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>>54566010
Blood Angels, Dark Angels, or Space Wolves.
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>>54565995
Aren't those guys christians? Hitler was a christian and he killed 6 million of my people.
>>54565997
Fuck off neo-nazi anti-semite
>>>/pol/
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>>54566010
Whatever is currently on top - always unpainted.
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>>54565242
>"Nah no one looks at displays"

THE ENTIRE POINT OF HAVING A DISPLAY IS FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>54566035
>Aren't those guys christians?
sort of kind of not really

mostly they are just brooding edgelords with old testament names (azreal, asmodai, belial, etc)
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>>54565970
Recommend you kys so there's one less of you.
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>>54566076
That's not too bad although how they chase the Fallen guys reminds me of how the SS chased my grandparents... I can feel the inherited trauma just from thinking about it...
(inb4 antisemites and nazis try to laugh at something real.)
>>54566109
I didn't know there were so many Hitler worshippers on /tg/. Follow your leader.
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>>54565970
Something from forgeworld. All that jewgold will get you plenty.
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>>54564419
None of that was /pol/ related
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>>54565974
Infinity has tactic based gameplay
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>>54565970
Death Korps of Krieg, easy choice
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>>54566138
Why are you giving him (You)s?
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>>54566123
>That's not too bad although how they chase the Fallen guys reminds me of how the SS chased my grandparents... I can feel the inherited trauma just from thinking about it...
they make a show out of it, but it is really just a show. During the Horus Heresy, they fought on both sides and are trying to cover it up.

In 8th edition, the Fallen and Dark Angels can ally together freely, and Cypher (the leader of the fallen) has been known to help out from time to time with no consequences.
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>>54566146
Wow... I didn't know Games Workshop was so antisemitic. Aren't they british? Why are they making miniatures based off of nazis?
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>>54565970
>a religious group subverting and destroying from within
How can you choose anything but Genestealers? Give the Patriarch a Kippah and its perfect.
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Any taufags here? I need help finding someplace to buy firesupport tank turrets as forgeworld doesnt stock them anymore
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>>54566163
i mean at least they can't get gassed.
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>>54566163
the uniforms actually have more in common with french uniforms, but the germanesque name makes it easy to confuse
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>>54566171
>>54566184
FUCK YOU NAZIS. YOUR WORSE THAN /POL/
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>>54564610
We are a bit busy mate
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I wanna play a Consecrators themed army but from what I've read they are all marinelets who just like their old relics and toys from the Heresy days.

Is their a justifiable reason for fielding some Primaris Marines with them or should I just go with a White Panthers army instead?
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>>54566195
You're*
I'm also a grammar nazi as well as a Nazi.
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>>54566163
I suppose technically theyre WWI German inspired not specifically Nazis, buuut...

Also, Space Marines and the Imperium are already Ultra-Fascist anyway!
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>>54566203
rowboat said the days of the marinelet are numbered

make some chad marines with mk3 chests, shoulders, and helms
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>>54566217
>>54566222
>>54566225
I've reported this thread to the ADL, the CST and the IDF. Enjoy getting sent to jail nazi scum.
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>>54566035
>>54566123
>>54566163
>>54566195

Are you trying to prove Poe's law or just baiting?
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God fucking dammit, Salamanders went from having a great flamer focus to some stratagem garbage. But I guess babies that didn't want to commit now have a reroll to hit and to wound with a lascannon.
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>>54564610
My mates and I are currently ensuring our game shop is full Imperium, so far 2/4 shops in SA are with one being chaos and the other not reporting anything yet kek.
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>>54564610
No, I'm helping the imperium by painting
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>>54566258
You think this is a joke nazi faggot? I'll have you locked up for your hate speech.
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CSM sniper rifle
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>>54566310
You're a dedicated man, and I respect that. Bait on you autistic bastard.
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>>54566326
Fuck you nazi, this isn't bait, this is real. Last time I posted on 4chan the fascists on /pol/ told me my grandfather was a nazi... I hate this website as much as I hate you anti-semite hitler filth.
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>>54566310
tumblr hugbox is that way ========>
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>>54566349
I too remember that thread.
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>>54566350
Those anti-zionist muslim worshipping bastards need to be shut down too. I hate all you internet people, why can't you be nice like the ACLU and the NAACP was to me?
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>>54566349
>mfw
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>>54565970
Feild imperial gaurd with lots of commisars. I heard you jews like to shoot your own troops
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So I'm slowing transitioning out of 40k but I still turn up to my GW store every once and a while and, being a massive Chaos fanboy, this depresses me...
(pic is from my local GW store)
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>>54566392
Wow, fuck you with that anti-semitic nazi propaganda. Even wikipedia can tell you it's fake.
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>>54566404
Quit being a gigantic pussy, and go win some games then you transitioning faggot.
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>>54566447
Wow, homophobic and transphobic much? I bet you're one of the neonazis from above aren't you? Skinhead trash.
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I'm building a Thousands Sons list as my first army, would I be WAAC for bringing both magnus and a sicaran battle tank?
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Stop responding to the fucking troll

Why do you idiots take the bait

Don't even acknowledge it
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>>54566461
WAAC is a state of mind.
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>>54563620
Is that just a lot of terrain bits on top of tank treads? If so, awesome.
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>>54566460
>>54566464
I- I like this meme though..

His dedication is unprecedented
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>>54566461
For me it boils down to a single question, does the model in question (here it would be the tank) fit into, and generally improve the armies aesthetics and fluff. If yes then any combo or synergy can be justified.
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>>54564872
I need a pure church army
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Is bloodbrides with succubus a good way to make them somewhat Killy? What drugs would you put on them?
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>>54564378
You have to admit this is a way better face than they usually sculpt
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Question. I have the Xenos 1 book in front of me and it seems that min. squad of Incubi are now 5. 1 klaivex and then 4 incubi. Um so I can't have 4 and an HQ in a venom now? Or do I have poo brain?
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>>54566487
Then I think I'm going to go with it, I
really prefer the look of the sicaran over the predator and I have some ideas I really like on how to model it
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>>54566551
+1 attack or + 1 str.
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>>54566569
Field a under strength squad
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Does anyone have a pic of that slaanesh army based on mirror sprinkled with "coke"
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Aren't laughing so much anymore are you nazi fucks? I hope you all get sent to jail and your parents shamed you basement dwelling hitlerites.
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>>54566607
Man you are some next level. Meme on you crazy feind.
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>>54566607
>20 million
That number just keeps doing up doesnt it?
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>>54566607
After all that crying it's clear that the best army for you is plastic Sisters of Battle.
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>>54566571
Good, always remember that it's your army and your effort being put into it.
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>>54566629
going*
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>>54566629
Fuck off nazi, the number is real.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9906771/Nazis-may-have-killed-up-to-20m-claims-shocking-new-Holocaust-study.html
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>>54566629
not him, but yea body counts for attempted genocide often aren't exact, especially when nazi's piled up bodies and burnt them.
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The online store leak apparently says August 22nd for codex CSM?
Hm... Where have I heard someone claim that before?
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>>54565970
My man, you are at another level teach me your secrets, do you hate Tau?
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>>54566649
>>
>we have Chadmarines
>we don't have Staceysisters
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>>54566578
I assume +1 str against lots of T6-7 and attacks for everything else?

The real question is, can I expect them to kill anything if properly supported (raider to soak overwatch and ferry them around) or just nice looking tarpits?
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How are Sicarian tanks?
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>>54566691
What's a Tau?
>>54566693
FUCK YOU NAZI SKINHEAD, 20 MILLION DIED IN THOSE CAMPS. RACIST.
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>>54566650
>We'll never truly know who got the top score on genocide simulator
Truly a shame.
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>>54566650
That and different accounts have different definitions of who's a victim. Broader groupings include PoWs as part of the holocaust
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[Batallion] 1500
Prince, wings, malefect talons 180
dark apostle, combimelta 95

8 chosen, 4 PA, LCs, chainswords,rhino (combi bolter) 234

12 cultists, heavy stubber 64
10 marines, 2 HB, powersword 154
10 marines, HB, PG, power sword, 157

Contemptor,chain claw, soulburner, butcher cannon 224
Contemptor, 2 butcher cannon, havok laucher 207
Havoks, 4 lascannons, combi plasma, power axe 185


dark app ride with the chosen for those sweet sweet re-rolls, and the dp just reks face like he should
how can i make this better?
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>>54566649
>may
also
>captcha: population 0418
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>>54566729
You might be able to squeak them in if you argue that their brutal mistreatment of Soviet PoWs was part of their attempts to purge Communists. (Which, if we're being perfectly fair here, it probably was.)
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>>54566722
>What's a Tau?
Something that i think were made especially for you, friendo.
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>>54566722
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>>54564746
Did they seriously give him 33 years for armed robbery?
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>>54566723
Hey nazi, are you trying to imply the Holocaust was fake or something?
>captcha: ZION AUTOCARR
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>>54566776
No, just disappointed that he didnt finish the job.
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>>54566768
It was mostly an excuse to get him for the murder in a roundabout way, so they went for max sentence
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What color, /40kg/?
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>>54566721
Well, most people consider a vehicle with treads, turreted weapon systems and thick armor as tanks so by most peoples standards its easy to see how they would consider the sicarians to be such
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BATTALION
HQ
Kharne
Chaos Lord w/ Claws

TROOP
9 Berzerkers w/ 8 Chainaxes + Chainswords, Banner and Claws on the Champ
9 Berzerkers w/ 8 Chainaxes + Chainswords, Banner and Claws on the Champ
20 Cultists
20 Cultists

ELITE
Helbrute w/ Scourge + Fist

HEAVY
Maulerfiend w/ Magma Cutters

DEDICATED TRANSPORT
Rhino w/ 2 combi-bolter and havoc launcher
Rhino w/ 2 combi-bolter and havoc launcher


OUTRIDER
HQ
Dark Apostle

FAST
Spawn
Spawn
Spawn
Spawn
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>>54566782
Thank god I reported this thread earlier although I might need to report it again just because of this incredibly hateful post.
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>>54566667

Damn it
Why didn't I save a screenshot
Codex GKs August 22nd too
Codices Tau and Admech together and forgot the rest
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>>54566851
>Codex GKs August 22nd too
>Codices Tau and Admech together and forgot the rest
You just made that up

Also the apple store CSM leak said "pre-order August 5th, expected August 22nd"

The expected release date is obviously wrong, the 22nd is a tuesday, why the fuck would they release a Codex that day

And also they are 100% not dropping two books on the same day
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>>54566838
Fuck off kike, we deal with enough jewry out of GW.
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>>54566910
WOW, the nazi FINALLY SHOWS HIS TRUE COLORS. Get a load of this ANTISEMITE.
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>>54566902
I wish I screen capped the guy who kept posting it
He kept posting csm august 22 then expanded his list with more dexes
And August 22 pops up for csm hmm
>>
Remember that troll who kept asking people to source their fluff. Those where bad times.
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>>54566902
"together" could just mean in the same month. We're getting 10 books in 5 months, there's going to have to be some releases very close to each other.
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>>54566821
Smartass, but I left it open so fair.

How do they all perform?
>>
Don't reply to trolls. They are xenos trying to trick you.
Remain vigilante brothers.
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>>54566964
It's too late, this thread shows why we need the Inquisition.
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>>54566964
Really mature of you stormfags to call us jews alien huh? Fuck you.
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>>54562589
CSM defeated
>>54566957
By NPCs races
>>54566957
Loving Every Laugh
>>54566957
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>>54566795
I'm doing mine as the 143rd (slightly less blue than in the pic) and making them super muddy to add some depth
I like the 19th too though
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>>54563486
>that daemon Angron
He uses a sword now, doesn't he?
>>
>>54565614
Sisters have plastics.

Just take a Sisters of Silence squad, and replace their helmets with the helmets from a Mechanicus Skitarii Vanguard squad.
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>>54566792
I guess I can see that.

>>54566795
I'd be curious to see the 261st or 158th since I never see any green on these guys. Though I'd probably go for 143rd with a bit more blue, if I were to ever get them.
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>>54566722
>Jew
>german
>who is better?
>>
if a unit is in the index, but not the codex, do we just use the index rules for it?
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>>54567952
Yes. And options in the Index but not codex are valid, using codex prices. IE: Honor Guard with Relic Blades.
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>>54566935
4plebs.org/tg
You can still screen-cap it.
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>>54566935
I remember this too. He also guessed correctly for the SM codex before the prerelease dropped. DG (which i'm interested in) was scheduled for 23 September. Can't remember the following stuff, but i remember there were cases with two releases in the same day
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>>54566927
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>>54566629
As a rule when you discover mass graves and reports it's good practice to add the number of dead to the total rather than to subtract them
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>>54565431
>Tartaros helmet in a Cataphractii armor
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