Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

gscb has a cute face

What good Assault options exist for codex marines outside of terminators? I'm looking to make a more melee based army, but assault marines don't really seem like enough to carry the day and I don't want the First Company to always be intervening in their shit.

I'm considering scout bikers with chainswords and that new stratagem, but what else?

>>54536289
As a non ork player I just have to say that orkz are the coolest

>>54536325
vanguard vets?

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>>54536289
GOVE BACK THAT FUCKING RAIDER YOU MUSHROOM BRAINED CREATON!!!!

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>>54536289
fifth for memes

>>54536347
Still vets; still a unit of first company.

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7th for Harkon

>>54536325

raptor veterans with BT tactics

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>>54536289

As an IG player I just have to say that IG are the coolest

>>54536321
Proof?

Are there any infantery size Storm Bolter bits?
Because the tank ones are stupidly big

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>>54536289
For Glorious Kekistan!

>>54536376
/pol/ go away

>>54536355
Explain

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Another example of a gorgeously done terrain. Really jealous of these guys.

Just looks so comfy to play in.

>>54536362
oh right sorry I can't read

guess it'll have to be Rievers then

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>>54536376
>being this cringey

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>>54536353
No.

>>54536396
Holy shit theres nothing there.

>>54536403
Oh yeah, good call. I'll definitely work them in as my Elites.

>>54536289
That better be a freebottaz
>>54536321
Issac Hempstead wrigjt you mean

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>>54536406
Well that's fine then... just wanted you to know those blue guys on Konor called you a noodle armed git.

>>54536396
>GW terrain
At least makes some tyre mounds yourself

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>>54536289
>Looted Vehicles Edition
You got it boss!

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Reposting from /awg/, a homebrew I worked on while I was sick. Basically, I rewrote the core 40k turn structure to allow for Alternating Activations and Interrupts, so that there's far less downtime between players doing stuff/making decisions.
I wrote this system because I had issues with Bolt Action scaling upward due to its randomized dice-bag activation system, and I feel weird about CP being a MOBA power bar, rather than representing your ability to coordinate your army. Let me know if anything stands out about it or looks problematic.

Some tl;drs.

-A unit may perform up to 2 Actions per turn, and there are only 3 types of Action: Advance, Combat, and Defend.
-A unit may do up to 2 actions when activated.
-No "Overwatch". Rather, a unit may Interrupt, letting it do *one* action.
-You get a fixed number of Command Points per turn. CP let you activate/interrupt with units that already took only one action, to interrupt interrupts, to bring in Reserves, or to Activate consecutive units.
-CP costs are incremental, representing the increased difficulty of maintaining the initiative. Activating a consecutive unit costs 1 CP, a second consecutive unit costs another 2 CP, a third unit another 3 CP, etc. Thus, "retaining the Initiative" for a multi-unit attack is a calculated decision rather than at the mercy of the dice.
-Some armies get discounts to perform certain Actions. For example, Orks have an easier time activating consecutive units if the units beforehand made melee attacks. Waaaagh!

>land raiders finally viable
>cant decide which variant i want to run
just fuck my shit up desu

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>>54536408

Maybe. I like this ruin terrain a lot more. They zoom in too much, and I can't get a good shot of the board though.

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>>54536453
Keep it coming

>>54536468
CRUSADER
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>>54536468
Crusader!

>>54536396

Link?

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>>54536430
I'z fightin' dem blue boyz, you spiky panzees and dem weird kaos boyz, Konor'z gonna be a Waaaghin' good time.

And you'z a grot.

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>>54536475
Is there anything they can't loot?

>>54536509
Other looted vechiles

>new lasgun on community site
Odds of new guard kit being significantly taller than the current one?

>>54536469
I mean, its not bad. Im just used to super dense boards

>>54536491

just Battle Tactics on Youtube

they use tons of different terrains

>>54536455

The base concept is somewhat interesting

The actual rules are a steaming pile of shit. I have seen better homebrews written by 10YO D&D players

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>>54536509
nothing is unlootable!

>>54536520
Ridiculously low.

>>54536520
>2030
>we are basically playing with action figures

Is there a custom datasheet builder for 8e yet?

>>54536521

Have some examples you can share?

>>54536475

Fuck, this one is brilliant

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Lots of people like complaining about Tau lore, so lemme ask this. How would you "fix" the Tau in universe? If you were in control, what would you change or alter about the Tau's fluff to make it more to your liking?

>Inb4 "remove them from the game"

>>54536520
>implying TS aren't taller for not squatting
Wew lad

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>>54536520

100% but don't worry you'll still be guardlets next to Primaris

>>54536520
Guaranteed, just look at the new AoS models. Regular humans are gonna be at least nearly as tall and broad as a chad marine.

>>54536534
How so?

>>54536508
>behold, the power of orktism

>>54536553
Remove mary sue utopia
Bring on the dark underside of Tau civilization and Ethereals

>>54536520
and then we discovered that the las-pistol belongs to a new range of snap-fit mono-pose inquisition henchmen. In three different poses

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>>54536575

Raven Guard - 1000pts
Vanguard Detachment:
Kayvaan Shrike

5x Vanguard Veterans - 2x Storm Shields+Chainsword, Power Axe+Chainsword, Pair of Claws, Thunder Hammer on Sergeant
5x Vanguard Veterans - 2x Storm Shields+Chainsword, Power Axe+Chainsword, Pair of Claws, Thunder Hammer on Sergeant
5x Vanguard Veterans - 2x Storm Shields+Chainsword, Power Sword+Chainsword, Pair of Claws, Thunder Hammer on Sergeant

Spearhead Detachment:
Captain - MC Bolter, Chainsword

5x Devastators - 2x Missile Launchers, 1x Heavy Bolter
5x Devastators - 2x Missile Launchers, 2x Lascannons, Cherub
5x Devastators - All bolters, just as a tax for now

An attempt at a first list. Is the general idea of the list something that could work? How is the equipment looking on the on the Vanguard Veterans, should something be changed around?

>>54536581
At least is not another marine release.

Even when playing with marines it gets boring to see the same models for decades in my opponents armies

>>54536553
Make the tau empire a couple of times bigger so they can actually take some losses in the lore. Currently the loss of a single sept is a gigantic setback for them, so the writers can never, ever have them lose a sept. Expand the empire, and then have their enemies take some bites out of it.

So I played a game against a gent, generally regarded as a bit of a rules-poker who likes to play to win.

I was orks, he was Daemons.
Whilst he was rocking
An exalted chariot of Slaanesh,
Keeper of Secrets
Masque
Two twenties of daemonettes
Skulltaker
A ten of bloodletters
and two Tens of plaguebearers..

I took two squads of thirty boys, ten nobz, a warboss, a painboy and (upon discovering the number of names in his list), Ghazzy.

I wanted to teach him a lesson for being a characterscumming waacfag.
I ended up thrashing him sideways, literally deleting entire units without a care.

So I guess for my conscience.. whose list was more waacfaggy?

>>54536553
Expand the size of their empire so they can afford to actually lose battles, and restore the "loose coalition of minor aliens" they originally were defined by. More design space that way.

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>>54536553

Tau Empire under siege struggling to survive with all threats closing in instead of Tau Empire endlessly expanding into the Imperium while endlessly fighting off Nid hivefleets, chaos incursions and ork Waaaghs!

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>>54536508
Humans statistically have more teeth than any other non ork race. Just a tip!

>>54536553
Write a 'diplomatic annexation' or a border world
First they throw off the imperial yoke
Then they welcome the tau
Power becomes plentiful
Power becomes rationed
ID chips which act as ration cards lower sperm quality
A imperial cult preaches purity of the human body and to remove the chips
They are [redacted]
Tau fire warriors are garrisoned to keep the militia strong
The Gue'la are sent to offworld battles
Human population continues to drop massively
Xenophobic riots lead to the eventual death of all humans
A ethereal sips on some fine wine, sad this is the last bottle the world has
I say this as a proud tau fag

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>>54536509
>>54536508
>>54536475
>>54536453


Not posting the most famous loot of all

>>54536553
Tau renegades. Like, not Farsight "Shonene Jump" renegades, I mean real, violent, cruel renegades.

Maybe have the 4th sphere return, but its been 1000 years for them and things have changed.

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>>54536548
Literally only pic i have available. This is from my first game of 8th. This was one of the least dense table in the shop

>>54536553
Bring back kroot genetics.
Best fluff in the book, says 14yo me.

>>54536553
I don't have any problem with the Tau. I like that they feel like they don't belong in the setting.

But I think I'd like them to have a deeper connection to the other factions somehow. Right now they're just sort of there, being the outsideriest faction in the setting. It'd be nice if instead of not having a strong warp connection they got the same Chaos shenanigans as humans did.

>>54536553

All memes asside I dislike them for one reason and one reason only. Of the three Tau players I know in real life, two of them describe the Tau as the "good guys" and the "moral choice" and give everyone else shit for playing "evil" or "morally questionable" armies. Whatever the hell it is in the fluff that gives those idiots that impression, get rid of that. Throw them off their high horse. Other than that I have no problem with the Tau. I don't even mind the suits, even when it was max Riptide spam. I can deal with cheese, shit happens, it's just fucking irritating to have to deal with moral grandstanding about fucking plastic space men. I have to deal with enough of that shit in real life, I don't want to have to deal with it when I game.

I just finished Betrayer and I feel like buying and painting Khârn just because he's a swell guy

I don't even play chaos

>>54536627
>tau enter civil war over should chaos be eaten by kroot or not
What civil war could tyranjds go into so everyone has a civil war

>>54536603

Most of the septs are not majorly important to Tau fluff and there aren't any real Sept specific models or characters besides the major ones I think they could stand to lose a sept or two.

>>54536602

Neither is even remotely WAACfag

What is a good exercise plan that still affords time for warhams?

I am tired of being a meat planet over the gaming tables and standing for an entire 3000 point game gets difficult. I can thin my paints, but thinning my body is much harder?

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>>54536642
Search /hhg/ for Horus heresy general, although it's dead now because 40k is good again
What is the luck of this captcha

>>54536475

Gorgeous.

Treads how?

>>54536667

How about for starters going from hamburgers twice a day to twice a week? And no soda (yes that includes diet coke)

>>54536667
>I can thin my paints but not thin my body
Just go on small walks, and don't have snacks it's that easy

>>54536667
Just start walking. Seriously. Start around your block, and just keep going further. Its not hard, just be consistent. You can do it, anon.

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Is there any army niche the Q'orl could occupy that would make them feel like a unique faction in the crunch? Is there anything their units could do that isn't already done by an existing army?

What would you call their "dude group"? You know, regiments/chapters/cadres/cabals/craftworlds/warbands/cults/orders/hive fleets, etc. That kind of thing. Swarm? Colony? Flamboyance?

>>54536698
Where is this from

>>54536698
Literally who?

>>54536667
Fucking burgers...

>>54536600
>>54536603

They could afford to have them lose a Sept or three now, dammit. That's a shitty excuse for never losing when there's like four septs that do anything particularly unique and they have like thirty, especially when they're on the OFFENSE plenty of times.

"Muh small empire" isn't a fucking reason to continuously win when none of it is at stake, and Forge Worlds, Hive Worlds, SM Chapters, the odd Craftworld and generally everyone but Daemons and Dark Eldar lose constantly, even when the enemy has nowhere NEAR the required numbers of troops.

Personally I would transition their "always outwards, rising empire" lore to them actually being strained to breaking point and possibly struggling to keep up morale and manpower to deal with the Nids, the Crons, the Orks and the infrastructure damage from Imperial attacks. You know, generally make their size an actual fucking downside as opposed to a massive sheet of plot armour, and probably have some of their AI and tech run into Chaos corruption.

>>54536667

Can you develop some willpower? Are you serious about losing weight? It's not rocket science, it just takes willpower.

Do this.

Do not eat more than 20 grams of Carbs in one day. Eat chicken, proteins.
After 3 days you will enter ketosis and start burning fat for fuel. You'll feel like shit for a week.
After a week you will feel like you have more energy than ever before and never be hungry.
You will lose 7 lbs a week.

After you get to your ideal weight, bring the carbs back up (complex carbs only) until you stop losing. Then maintain.

>>54536455
Neat concept, rules are a hot mess.

>>54536667
You can do it Anon just walk in the mornings come home shower and then paint some. Making it a ritual will normalize it and you won't remember not doing it!

>>54536713
I just got it by google image searching for Q'orl. They don't really have much.
>>54536714
The Q'orl Swarmhood. The interstellar empire the Tau wish they could be.

I am impressed by the default space marine codex and I was thinking about making a mercenary/deathwatch type army but I need to know, can I take units like black knights from DA or librarian dreads from BA? As long as they have the one faction keyword and even more so with the adeptus astartes I should be fine right?

>>54536698
The temptation of anyone making an army for the Q'orl will always be to make them the bugs from Starship Troopers. But that would make them redundant with the Tyranids, so we have to avoid that no matter what. I say make their army a mixture of cheap little gribblies on par with grots and conscripts supporting expensive Knight-sized insectoid mech tanks.

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>>54536616
Umie teef aint good fer nuffin, even a squig brained git knows that!

>>54536757
I think you'll lose any Chapter Tactics benefit but other than that, there's nout wrong with it. It looks like [ORGANISATION] unique traits and stratagems is the trade-off for sticking to one army.

>>54536604
This.
I just want them to be in defence and not in offence.

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>>54536616
'umie teef are fer grots.

>>54536757
For now yeah youre fine but expect Deathwatch to lose mission tactics when you're not fielding an all Deathwatch detachment though even in that case you can just use a separate detachment to bring whatever else you want without sacrificing your main army's rules.

>>54536405
Kek

>>54536553
i seriously wonder if people who hate tau lore have read any besides the codexes, most of which seems retconned by now

>>54536617
isnt this basically what happens in Crisis of Faith novel - except the enclave worlds are retaken before any form of population control takes form.

>>54536577
Again, Crisis of Faith shows the ethereals as nothing less than evil, killing tau for thoughtcrimes of their colleagues

>>54536739
>The Q'orl Swarmhood. The interstellar empire the Tau wish they could be.


I googled them. It turns out their only mentions is in the non-canon xenology and Dark Hersey. anon, fuck off.

>>54536198
Don't I need troops?

>>54536822
>being this new

>>54536734
Is there anything that's particularly egregious?

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>>54536600
>>54536553

On a slightly related note, what do you guys think about splintering the Imperium for real, and making 3-4 smaller Imperiums that are all tenuous allies at times, and enemies at others.

Imperium Secundus led by Guilliman, the original Imperium led by High Lords, a third Imperium led by the Lion, and maybe a fourth led by another primarch. This would give each Imperium the ability to have distinct flavors, like one Imperium being open to working with Xenos and their lore progression being changed to suit that. Another Imperium staunchly hates Xenos as always, and is more defensive and hunkered down as a result.

We would be able to see several different visual themes, but the necessity of surviving against chaos would mean that they would always band together against them, so as to not lose in their ultimate fight for survival.

This would allow us to see interesting, real conflicts instead of simply skirmishes between factions of the Imperium. Space Wolves vs. Dark Angels for real, and see how that plays out. Maybe Russ leads a 4th human faction and wars against the Lion.

This would allow a smaller Empire like the Tau to grow a lot, so they could have meaningful conflicts with the Imperium in the future, but Chaos doesn't steamroll the combined Imperium.

>>54536828
You don't *need* troops, no. Whether or not you should have troops - right now genuinely no, that might change when your codex hits though.

>>54536822
>you must be 18+ to post here
Oh BOI!

>>54536667
>>>/fit/
Read the sticky.

But to give a more in depth and helpful answer, losing weight is easy as fuck. Calories in< calories out. This is all it takes to lose weight. But if you want to actually look good and not be a skinny fat faggot, you need to eat the right things and do the right exercise.
Stop drinking soda. There is absolutely no reason to drink it ever. If you're thirsty, drink water.
Eat good food, esspecially protien. While just eating less calories will make you lose weight, you don't want to lose any muscle. Eating protien and cutting carbs and fats will cause you to lose weight while keeping muscle.
Work out. Running, walking, weightlifting, all are good, though I suggest a mix of 3 days weight lifting and 2 days cardio, and 2 days rest.
Stay committed. You will relapse a few times, that's ok, but you need to get back on the horse. When I was at my fattest at 96 kilos, I had a heard time getting back into a good eating and workout routine. I would start a diet, then drop it and then feel like a complete failure. I had also started working at the time, and wasn't excercising all that often. I felt like a failure, but I never gave up. It took a while, but I was able to eventually get commited and succeed. Try keeping a journal or record of what you eat and how you exercise each day, it helps alot.

We're all gonna make it.

>>54536821
>isnt this basically what happens in Crisis of Faith novel

No. That never happened in that novel or any Tau novel.

>ethereals as nothing less than evil

Not evil. Pragmatic and callous. Ethereals only intend for the Tau to prosper.

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>>54536600
>>54536603
I agree with this. As of right now, their empire and presence are so small they literally stand no reasonable threat to anyone. They need to CONSTANTLY be pushing forward and winning in order to have any relevance at all.

Ironically, in order to stop the reputation of Tau "lolwinning" all the time, you'd need to give Tau some major, lore important victories so that they could afford to lose and not look like shit.

However, I would also make the argument that with the Imperium being featured in and winning almost every official 40k thing ever produced, all the hate against Tau 'winning' all the time is overplayed outside of maybe a few questionable choices in the novels.

I mean, they did lose their faction leader to a nameless NPC. Even the Night Lords got a better deal than that.

>>54536850
Seems awful to me. Humans have plenty spotlight as just 1 monolithic faction. No need to splinter em up further to give more in depth lore

>>54536478
>>54536490
shooty mcshoots alot version it is

>>54536855
>>54536837
BL lovers get out.

>>54536854
So I should be running a vanguard detachment?

>>54536846
Regenerating command points encourages spam, limiting the amount of actions you can take really fucks over some units whose entire point is to be able to do well at both shooting and combat, it basically forces you to only use units which are good at one or the other

>>54536884
>BL
Oh BOI! Stop being so new

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>>54536645
Tyranid civil wars have been canon for over a decade.

So I just finished Dark Imperium and I've seen summaries of how the fighting around Ultramar continues but I have no idea which sources these infos were taken from. Can anyone help me out? Where can I read up on the rest of the story?

>>54536850
>3-4 smaller Imperiums that are all tenuous allies at times, and enemies at others.

So whats the difference between that and normal Imperium? I mean the Astartes dont get along with the Church, who doesnt get along with the AdMech who is a tenuous ally to the Munitorum and the Imperial Guard are often ignored by the Astartes who like to be on their own and an almost independent branch of the Imperium and despite being part of the same Imperium all these branches have gone to war with each other for whatever reason.

The Imperium hates itself and the only thing holding it together is that they all believe in the same Emperor.

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>>54536850
I don't hate the idea of certain space marine chapters doing this, but I'd also thing this would just result in human factions bloating up even more and pushing out xenos or even chaos ones.

I like humanity, I like the Imperium, but even now it's tiring to see them all the time. This would shake things up, but then we'd get even more 'faction focuses' based around the huge umbrella of humans.

Hey, you think any Space Marine Chapters ever defected to the Tau?

So I was flipping through the late 6th ED codexes, 7th ED codexes, the timeline in 8th ED brb, and the timeline in the pages of the upcoming marine codex.

I noticed something. They removed the dates from the timeline. It's just events with no dates at all. No way to track the dates from other codexes and compare them with each other. Why did GW do this?

>>54536892
I go outrider myself with fuck tons of reavers and hellions. +T on reavers +A on hellions. Ram the reavers straight into them and bushwhack with the hellions.

What's the (rumored) release schedule? When are Chaos codex / Death Guard coming?

>all these people suggesting cutting soda and walking more
>I've been doing that for years and still have been gaining weight

>>54536921
In line with this sorta where do I read about Commarragh getting buttfucked by daemons?

>>54536932
How should I be running reavers? Melee or shooting?

>>54536921
It's in the main rulebook of 8th ed.

>>54536947
What else are you eating and doing to work out.
Cutting soda means fuckall if you're not counting your calories

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https://regimental-standard.com/2017/07/26/konor-war-diaries-part-1-astaramis/

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>>54536949
Dark Eldar are never going to get their own book series again, so probably nowhere until our codex drops.

>>54536325
Reivers seem pretty good

>>54536949
GS 2.

>>54536850
I don't think that would be a particularly good idea, but for fucks sake don't have them each led by Primarchs, because that's just an excuse to have absolutely nothing but Primarch and Marine wank until the END OF TIME. Cram all the Primarchs into one and let the interesting factions get the other three, the Numbered Mistake fans already have the entire HH series to jack off to.

>>54536947
American?
Some how everything your food has sugar no idea why.

Even jerky is sweet in burger land fucking why?!

>>54536950
Both really soften them up on the advance and then melee them to shit and hope they try to run so that caltrops and talons fuck up their life. They can shoot but your goal is to get into melee.

>>54536931
Because Guilliman decided that the calender was completely wrong and the dates were probably completely off.

>>54536938
Next month.

>>54536964
A shame since path of the dark eldar was dope as fuck.

>>54536984
What's coming next month? CSM Codex? Or both CSM and DG?

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wut

>>54536947
>I'm not having a coke today
>That means I can have a Snickers Bar

Just eat less and move more.

>>54537003
CSM, Grey Knights and Death Guard towards the end.

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>>54536996
I agree! But they have to make room for those 30+ individual space marine chapter books somehow...

>>54536996
Dude, they aren't Dark Eldar anymore. That's not their true name.

Their name is the Drukhari

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>>54537035
It's okay to call them either.

>>54536553
Expand their size, remove all the brainwash ethereal bullshit, make them into the "positive" space communists that they're known as. I'd rather have one race not be muh grimdark than have the grimdarkness as hamfisted as the Tau as of late.

>>54536974
So what happens when someone throws something like a dunecrawler at you?

>>54536374
The old captain kit has one

>>54537026

>marines, edge marines, magic marines, gross edge marines

What an exciting release cycle to open with.

>>54537060
They have the option to have blasters or heat lances on them.

>>54536396
>Taking overcosted LychGuard and paying 17 points on top of that for 4++ shield and blade.
>Hope my opponent runs a Fuffy list too....
>opponent starts setting down AssBacks
>gg anon

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>>54536956
Thanks

>>54536491
Tabletop tactics blood angels vs necrons

great game

>>54537081
Only 1 in 3, and even still, withe the +1T, it'll still wound on a 2+ with neutron laser

>>54537059
I'm inclined to agree. The grim dark Tau stuff all comes off as incredibly forced and they work much better as a race when they actually contrast from the rest of the setting rather than falling in lockstep.

You know. Like aliens.

>>54537032
Silent storm has a bunch of story taking place durning the fall and early versions of dark eldar. That traitorous ass yannari bitches book may have some stuff when it comes out too.

Where did marine melta bombs go?

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>40K intro
>FORGET THE POWER OF TECHNOLOGY
>mfw Cawl saves the Imperium through invention and application of innovative technology
>Cawl's research and reverse engineering of the power of the Necrontyr and Old One tech might be the only hope for the galaxy to halt the growth of the Great Rift

Shouldn't GW drop that line?

>>54537102

Thing is that ends up with shit like >>54536640

>>54536321
Seeing attractive people reminds me that when I look in the mirror it is physically painful. Even if I reached my target weight, I couldn't possibly spend enough on face surgeries.

What pains do I inflict on others just be going out in public without hiding my misshapen face?

>>54536898
1) I would argue that non-regenerating CP promotes alphastrike play, as currently done in 8e. This system does regen CP over a turn, but their use is for working around the "alternating activations." I wanted a non-randomized activation order and found that with bolt action, the game becomes closer to "igougo" the more units both players have. An incrementing CP system means you have to make tradeoffs. You could turtle, but the CP costs mean you end up taking less actions overall, or lose access to reserves. Likewise, it costs less CP to have two rounds of activating 2 units at once, than one of activating 3 at once. This is intentional. The CP cost to Interrupt Interrupts is to allow for units to support each other (Unit A tries to charge, unit B attempts a counter-charge, unit C shoots B, effectively covering Unit A's advance). There's potentially far more decision making there than "welp, I'll give my Captain a better shoot aura, job's a good-un".
2) This system allows you to fire Assault/Pistol Weapons as part of an Advance without issue. You would need to use a separate action for Rapid-Fire. This is identical to 4th-7th not allowing Charge after shooting rapidfire. Unlike. those, you're not locked into charging the same unit you shot. The system also negates an exploit with all 40k systems, where you can "jam" an uber-killy unit by parking a chaff unit 1.1" in front of it, as you can melee a unit, clear a path, then move as normal. Hell, if you're sure you will overkill your foe, you could charge one foe, chop it good, then charge a second foe in one turn! Or you could charge a unit, slice it up, then use the new vantage point to shoot something else.

Furthermore, while your opponent can still withdraw (and can withdraw + shoot), you also get Free Strikes against such units, letting you really up the choppiness!

>>54537088
Ill trade you 17 point lychguard for 16 point electro priests with no transport option of any kind any day sir.

>>54537059

Honestly I think it'd be hilarious if they played up the good guy part of Tau but also made them fall into a bunch of grim dark pitfalls due to their naivety.

Entreating with necrons, accepting invitations to open an embassy on commoragh, sending welcoming parties to tyranids, etc

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>>54537122
Yeah, but >>54536640 is wrong and reactionary. If people felt as strongly as he did over legitimate good guy stuff in 40k, people would hate the Lamenters and Salamanders. Everyone would play either Marines Malevolent or Chaos. It's obviously not the case.

>>54537155

So like that story with the Deldar and the Wracks then?

>>54537070
butthurt xenos detected

>>54537070
Followed by Robed Marines, Tacticool Marines, Magical Egyptian Marines, Pretty Marines, and lastly Furry Marines

>>54536321
Post pics

>>54537060
Is there like a fucked up dune crawler laden meta your preparing for Anon?

>>54537155
>sending welcoming parties to tyranids
You know they canonically did this the first time, right?

>>54537201
Twice!

>>54537070
Don't worry Anon the SM players will soon have their day to "REEEEE."

>>54536850
Anon I posted this in the other thread which became /pol/ bait, they'll have a Cawl faction, a Guilliman faction and a highlords/Celestine faction, that's how the imperium will be split, just like how the treaty of verdun partitioned the Frankish empire >>54536906
>ONLY THE STRONGEST WILL SURVIVE LEAD ME TO HEAVEN WHEN WE DIE
I know but it's shitty
>>54536930
>primaris tau
Kill yourself Geran

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>>54537070

>>54537211
Wait, really? They can't be that stupid.

"Maybe the first time they ingested the ambassadors ship and she and her crew died screaming as they were vivisected by probing alien tendrils sampling their genes was just a fluke!"

>>54537164

Could you explain how he's wrong and reactionary? My basic understanding of what he said is

>Tau players will not shut up about "muh moral superiority"
>This is annoying to him

How is that wrong? It's an opinion, his personal opinion based on his own interactions with others. Can you honestly say he's wrong to be annoyed by that behavior?

>>54537152
Aren't they 18ppm? And I think he was complaining about paying 17ppm for equipment rather than the model as a whole.

Fulgurites are insane, although I have a sneaking suspicion the Admech codex will nerf them and Kastelans through the floor without doing any of the straightforward fixes to the other units we REALLY need to be fun again rather than "Spam Kasties, Crawlers and Electros around Cawl to win".

>>54536683
>>54536688
Just start walking. I hate you fat fucks so much. It's a start but it will take more than that.

I wish Space Marine was still canon. So much cool fluff in that book

>>54537184
Yes :(

Everyone here runs admech or uses them to reinforce

Was thinking of starting like this:
-SC
-dark lance scourges
-venom
[patrol]
>Load 5 trueborn with 4 blasters in venom
>scourges for surprising butt sex
>reavers for reaver stuff I guess
>everyone else in the raider

>>54537155
Tau couldn't tell the difference between eldar, so sent 20 of each caste to a homonculus coven and then all the Wracks and Abbherants had blue skin

>>54537242
Tau are mentally retarded.
Lucky for them they inhabit a part of space that make non Tau even more retarded

Fuckers did a welcome party for oldcrones

So a little question about counter offensive strategem.

If my X unit got charged and being attacked, then I activate the strategem, can my other Y unit that is still in combat last turn do the attack ?

>>54536947
Do you have snacks?

>>54537242
No, it's not stupid. The Tau had multiple hostile encounters with a lot of the races that they eventually assimilated in the end.

The pancake polar bears being one of them. There is nothing wrong with dusting yourself again and trying again.

>>54537279
Read the Stratagem, what does it say anon? Does it say it has to be used on a unit that got charged? No.

>>54537271
You

see

>>54537286

The Tau didn't assimilate hundreds of species into their empire by cowering and running the moment their hand of friendship is bitten.

>>54536850
>Not knowing the lore
The Lion and Russ were best bros. Sure they hated each others guts at first but after the Lion nearly killed Russ after the Siege of Terra they put everything behind them and became staunch friends. You can bet they'd clip their respect chapters round the ears and tell them to play nice

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>>54537295
Got it, thanks anon.

>>54537306
>hundreds of species
Citation please. Isn't it more like around a dozen?

>>54536906
>no resources are expended.
>Tyranids are immune to entropy.
>Tyranids are perpetual motion machines

It's always this blurb that grinds my gears.

>>54537152
FailGuard are 19 for the model and 17 for the equipment. Move 5....

>>54537315

The fuck is this renegade shit?

>>54537327
I'm pretty sure he's exaggerating for effect.

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>>54537327
>Citation please. Isn't it more like around a dozen?

IIRC, it was hundreds. I'll try to look it up.

Some of the Tau allies/subject races are primitive aliens that live om a single planet and have nothing to offer the Tau. The Tau adopt them into their empire anyways. Doesn't this show that the Tau are not selfish and that they are noble?

>>54537354
Read you an Imperial Armour: Astra Militarum

>>54537243
You're replying to a literal communist or someone trolling as one, don't bother

>>54537335
>current millennium
>being surprised psychic creatures which block out the warp which should stop their psychic powers are perpetual motion

>>54536947
Did your weight gain slow down at all?


It's all about cutting calories. Usually if your diet / exercise remains consistent and soda is the only thing cut thats ~250 cal less per soda you avoid.

But if you alter the diet (to more) / excerise (to less) stuff changes.

>>54537335
Don't start.
Last time I tried to explain this I was told nids have infinite energy do to suns, so entropy doesn't matter.

>>54537366
Sure they just want boots on the ground, same with British regiments that were exclusive to Africa

>>54536973
Because we fear fat so we replace it with sugar.

>>54537373
>40k faction works do to semi-structured sounding magic
Cool
>It's not magic, biotech let's them do this because it's so efficient if they keep the biomass
Utter bullshit.

What is the best strategy as Dark eldar for securing wins in the Konor week one scenario?

>>54537369

>allowing fan fiction armies from forgeworld

>>54537335

I feel your pain man, but we really shouldn't open this can of worms. It can't go well.

>>54537405
>using an incomplete army

>>54537035
Slow down GW, no need to drop a C+D here.

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Will Death Guard have 'chapter tactics' for various Death Guard sub-factions?

Could it also apply to Grey Knights too?

Seems hard to see for them.

>>54537421
Wat?

>>54537410
>>54537335
Why not just look at them

>>54537424

This...is a very good question. Huh. Somehow I doubt it, but we'll see.

>>54537167
>>54537201
>>54537269

Yeah totally, I think " good guys but stupid" is a lot more interesting than "good guys but really evil sort of maybe"

>>54537402
My point is they shouldn't be psykers because they block out the warp

>>54537424
Prolly be Morty legion and Typhus detractors for sure. Then special daemon only list stuff.

>>54537443

How about we just drop "good guys" and leave them in the grey like everyone else?

>>54537446
They block the warp with their overwhelming psychic presence.
On table top it effects all psykers because the rules need that. But it's supposed to be them blocking all non-identical access to the warp, not all the warp.

>>54537396
Teleports behind you

>>54537424
I think the only books with different army rules will be the ones that represent more than one army, the rest will just have warlord traits/stratagems for a single army.

So no, I dont think Cult Legions and Non-Vanilla Marines will have different sub-factions as they are a sub-faction already.

>>54537396
Link to comic?

>>54537335
Does the rainforest expend resources when army ants kill a bunch of other animals? No.

>>54537405
you'd be funny if only renegades that arent SM weren't canon

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Why do people think there is anything special about Farsight? He's very clearly written backwards. GW had a problem: Tau had no internal conflict, now that's ok in a story level, but it leads to problems on a tabletop level. How do you justify two Tau forces fighting? Training exercises? That's a bit boring.

So Farsight and his faction were created to justify little Timmy and Tommy, who both play Tau, playing against eachother.

>>54537487
Win-o- threat /co/ scrounging can get them all. Pretty fun book overall just because of the absurdity of the whole thing.

>>54537377
See I have no worries about that.
Just let the Tyranids stop by a star and eat it. And it's fine.

But to say Tyranids can create life from Tyragoo, have those life fight one another. Turn all those creatures back into Tyragoo and say no energy was lost. Aggh.

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Looks like quite a retro lasgun.

Any guesses guys?

>>54537494
Yes they do. They army ants have to eat other things to make up for the lost resouces.
Photosynthesis is just adding energy into the rainforest. A rainforest isn't a closed system.

>>54537525
Probably a pistol.

>>54537525
I little digging makes it vaguely resemble a Necromunda-pattern lasgun, but that might not inherently mean anything.

>>54537522
But this is GW writing. And biomass is magic the way they write it.

>>54537525
pintle mounted las-gun for the new GSC vehicle

>>54536973
lol.

be quiet now.

>>54537562
Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhaahhahahahhahaha

>>54537396
What's wrong with his arm?

>>54537504
>Not forging a narrative
I bet you don't even use power level

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>>54537525
GIVE

>>54537315
>using a millile laucgheer on BS 5+ weapons teams
STOP!
use a cheaper motor team, or the multi-shot auto csannon if you are gagging for anti-tank

>>54537522
You know what confuses me? People "boarding" Hive Ships. Why the fuck do they have convenient person-sized gaps in them? They're living creatures, they should be jam-packed with organs and storage chambers of nutrient goop and generally not be board-able unless you literally want to slowly meltabomb out a room after tunneling inside one. They synthesize Nids, so I guess they need some small "hangars" or attachment points to launch the skybugs from like drop sacs launching from the Zerg Leviathans in SC, but there's no reason that they should have anything worth blowing up there. Norn Queen should have her own sealed chamber even if she isn't wired right in there symbiotically, etcetera.

>>54537525
who knows

probably a character of some sort, since I don't see them dropping an entirely new line of models on us

>>54537513
I'll get cracking so

>>54537595
>complaining about people sizes wholes on hiveships rather than hiveships being able to even get ships close to it
Tervigons walk around and so do HIVE GUARD surprisingly

>Having to drill out 50+ barrels
please kill me now

>>54537601
>>54537487
Surprised at the lack of story times for these books. Sperging out with my fellow autists reading this together sounds comfy as fuck.

>>54537592

I would buy the shit out of something like that.

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>>54537635
10/10, the brother with the ork trophy really sells it.

>>54537635
I believe that you MAY have been infuiltrated.

>>54537635
Day 10 they still do not suspect my orkish identity
Also salamanders are black not African American

>>54537635

Brother Grimtoof your helmet appears not to fit properly, and those are some very severe mutations. What chapter did you say you were from again? Cursed founding perhaps?

>>54537635
>Dat Ork

>>54536536
Who's the artist on these ones?

>>54537672
Chrischan

>>54537672

I think they are fairly recent contributions. Guy dropped a few recently.

>>54537635
Fucking heretical, retarded bullshit. 0/10 wouldn't play with or against.

>>54537690

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>>54537635
sneaky/10

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>>54537525
That is a pistol with a long barrel.

Vindicare is Vindi-crap.

>only does d3 damage
>only wounds Bobby G on a 5+
>can only one shot a commisar under the luckiest of circumstances.

why does anyone use this shit model?

>>54537750
Because it used to be good, wait for codex assassinate then it will be, t. Guy who owns the paper back version from like 2nd ed

>>54537750
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>54537750
>Needs to one shot to be effective.
>Comparing only against the cheapest and toughest character options.
If you set dumb metrics you'll get shit results.

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>>54537424
haha talk about rules bloat

>>54536520
Probably not; compairing the Skitarri kit to even the regular Marinelet, hes shorter, and better proportioned. New Guardsmen would probably be fairly well scaled.

>>54537635
>Da Deffwatch

>>54536523
Table top tactics not battle tactics. My personal favorite YouTube channel for battle reports.

>>54537533
>>54537722
I agree, so what are you thinking the model it belongs to is? A new guard charter to go with the eventual codex release maybe?

>>54537787
I dont know what that refers to.

>>54537800
Commissar kiaphas Kain.

Can I take berserkers as elites in a world eaters army so I can take 8 berserker units
>>54537807
Age of sigmar

>>54537530
I didn't ask if the ants lose resources, I asked if the ecosystem lost resources. Resources meaning tangible, material matter, because that's what the Tyranid blurb is talking about.

The answer is no. Nothing is lost. The rainforest does not shrink because some things within it ate some other things and chemically transformed their matter into different forms.

If you want to be pedantic and argue a rainforest is not a closed system then simply extend it to the entire Earth's biosphere.

>>54537774
nah m8. other than ratling spam snipers are fucking worthless in 8th.

vindicare included.

>>54537595
Hive Ships are not convenient to board, at all. The only armies that really pull it off are Daemons because lolwarpmagic and Space Marines in their sealed vacuum suits, generally Terminator gear preferred.

>>54537635
>Baiting with the obvious Ork so nobody notices the Pre-Heresy World Eater Blackshield
Not bad, anon.

>>54537774
in a game with only 5 turns, the inability of a sniper to one shot a basic character is inexcusable.

>>54537846
>Chemicals changed to different forms
>Not knowing this is a lose of energy
The rainforest does lose enegry but energy is constantly being added into the system from outside.
If that energy wasn't being added the rainforest would die, as would all life.

Thinking matter is the only resource and that the form doesn't matter is why the blurb is stupid.

>>54537866
Lies. Tau suits and Dark Eldar boarded Hivehips too.

Are Salamander mixtapes fire?

>>54537892
>Dark Eldar boarded Hiveships

I feel there are easier ways to get gladiator-beasts

>>54537892
>Dark Eldar
"Why are we even doing this? It's madness!"
"The Archon wants a new pet."

>>54537875
Their price would have to be triple what it is now.
A sniper shouldn't be able to kill 5 characters (a total of 25 power or more) in a single game.

>>54537424

> Poxrot Blightshrouds are those who aligned themselves with Typhus! They reroll 1s on their Disgustingly Resilient attempts.

> Smogshroud Puskin follow Mortarion from Barbarus! They are always in Cover against shots more than 12" away!

> Festerheart Deathwalkers wield grenades forged on Barbarus itself! Their grenades always Wound on a 4+, regardless of Toughness!

Oh god please no

>>54537875
5 turns? What kind of incompetent list are you running.

I have never seen a game go past the 3rd turn.

>>54537875
>5 turns minimum
>Kill in 2 turns for lesser,2-3 for 100pt leaders.
>3+ turns that leader isn't giving a force multplier
Or take 2, and deny the multipier turn one.

>>54537525

A compact lascarbine type thing for a drop regiment.

>>54537525
Who fucking cares

We havent had payoff for one of these things since like december of last year

What the fuck is the point of showing a tiny out of context bit for a kit that wont be out for over a year?

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>>54537854
>*Arquebus Intensifies*
They're pretty good, since they work well against light vehicles, any level of character bar Guilliman and even stuff like Termies too in a pinch. I am currently painting up three, which is getting bumped up to four as soon as I get another SC Skitarii.

>>54536973
Only some jerky. Most of it isn't.

>>54537932
We literally just got payoff this last week

>>54537924

I have seen 2 out of 12 i played in 8th so far

>>54537949
Theres still shit from like january that has no sign of coming out

Show us entire models or fuck off

>>54537424
No. The <Your Dudes> tags in various factions basically tell you what will and will not get "chapter tactics" because that tag is how the rules keep track of it.

>>54537939
I've used them, they're shit.

>>54537924
What kind of incompetent lists were you or your opponent running that they couldn't last till turn 4?

>>54537985

I have killed 800 pt of stuff with 1000 points of mine on turn 1

>>54537981
I've used them, they're good.

>>54537999
There was no terrain on the board Tzeench...

>>54537846

The rainforests biosphere is losing (using) energy every time any part of it moves, an ant, a monkey, anything. Digestion takes even more energy. The O my reason it is maintained is because presumably more energy is being put in that is being expended. This doesn't mean that the energy is never used. As far as I know pyramids don't get any energy from the sun, so by digesting each other there will be diminishing returns. The only benefit it would actually have would be the genetic diversity

>>54537926
>>54537921
yeah, they should.

because you're just assuming that their characters are just standing in the open.

what about when your opponent sticks his commisar behind los blocking terrain?

your snipers are now useless.

>>54537999
So your opponent was incompetent.
A lopsided game is a bigger sign that someone was incompetent.

>>54538010

Plenty of terrain

He assumed he would get first turn and set up accordingly.
He did not get first turn.

Magnus, 1 demon prince, 1 rhino and 10 cms went boom

>>54537985
The longest game I've seen has lasted till turn 4.

Anything longer is just dragging the game

>>54538014

Dictating where enemy characters can and can't be isn't useless.

>>54538014
The commissary is now useless too because he can't be near the shit he needs to buff unless they also stand still in the back being useless.

>>54538042
it is when your opponent can just conga line his shit and still get buffs.

>>54538042
Amen! What army do you play with those creed levels of strategic inclination mah nigga?

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>>54538011

Tyranids!

Everyone knows pyramids get energy from the sun

>>54538049

Cause dasy-chaining 5 conscript around the terrain is a huge loss in a 50-strong unit

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>>54537939

>40k mechanicus will never have something this cool to field

feels shitty, man

>>54537889
>The rainforest does lose enegry but energy is constantly being added into the system from outside.
>If that energy wasn't being added the rainforest would die, as would all life.
No fucking shit, sherlock.

It's almost like Tyranids, too, can add energy from an outside source, and end with zero net losses.

Let me walk you through this simple explanation, as one would a child: You have Hive Fleet X, and Hive Fleet Y, and they fight on planet Z. So that's X biomass, versus Y biomass, on a planetary body with Z native biomass. Eventually one side wins and subsumes the other, then goes on to perform the usual Tyranid business on the planet. So we end with Hive Fleet W, who leaves the system with (X+Y+Z) biomass. There are no losses of biological matter, exactly as the blurb states.

>b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh energy!!!
If the Hive Fleets came with 100% of their starting energy, and spent X amount of that energy in the fighting, and then regained X amount of that energy from the system's star during and after the fighting, and left with the same amount they came with, what is the Hive Fleets net loss of resources?

Fucking zero.

>b-b-b-b-but entropy!
Yes, the universe as a whole dispersed some energy. Just like it always does. Nothing in that blurb in the Tyranid Codex says anything about no resources being lost for anyone, anywhere, it says the TYRANIDS do not waste any of their biological matter. The system's star lost energy. The universe is now closer to a cold entropic death by an unimaginably insignificant fraction, just as it is every second. Congratulations on your goalposts that are now so far outside the purview of the original discussion they are beyond the reach of astropathic communications.

Now shut up and stop whining about subjects you don't understand and never post about this again.

>>54538036
So you haven't played a close game yet. Got it.

>>54538060
>pyramids
found the phone poster

>>54538032
>Cash in on opponent's incompetence.
>Talk shit on the internet.

>>54538077
>Regains energy from the sun
So something was lost during the fight and needed to be regained.

We aren't saying the nids can't get the energy back. We're saying the blurb acts like they don't need to. They do.

It does say no resources are lost. Energy is a resource.

>>54538092
You are retarded.

>>54538077
This Carnac guy is obnoxious.

>>54538078
Wrong.

>>54538108

Goddamn you're dumb.

>>54538108
Has there ever been any mention or even hint that Tyranids gather energy from sunlight in any of the lore though ?

>>54538061
So the conscripts are staying in the back, and aren't moving forward to do anything.
Or the commisar gets exposed when they do Daisy chain away so you drop or move something behind.

>>54537939
>paying 25pts to use a sniper weapon against a vehicle, doing an average of 2 damage.
>said sniper weapon is also shit against most characters

>>54537872
You mean baiting with the obvious ork so people don't realise the mouldline on the thunder hammer

>>54537932
This. The new leaks suck. The pictures that they obviously didn't want leaked, like Mortarion, were way better

>>54538124
If you lose your keys but then find them after a while, you still lost your keys that day. Even more so if you had a new key made to replace the lost one.

>>54538132

Eating plants approximates the same thing.

>>54538114
Ok. So how were the games always decided on turn 4?
Because if the game is close your either both down so many units that hiding the last ones out to claim objectives, and trying to manuever to prevent that should go on till the game ends.
Or you have enough units left that you're engaging and pushing through combats until the game ends.

>>54537932
>What the fuck is the point of showing a tiny out of context bit for a kit that wont be out for over a year?

Building hype, ie to have us talk about it.

As you've already figured out, this is to GW's benefit, not ours.

>>54538165

Just getting dumber, friend. Do yourself a favor and stop while only a little behind.

>>54538124
I think what he's saying is:

>Nids fight
>Energy lost as entropy
>Surviving Nids assimilate other fleet and drain planet.

Still loses more energy than:

>Nids do not fight
>No energy lost as entropy from fighting
>Nids drain planet

Carries on as normal. The energy lost isn't magically packaged into the planet, that's gone.

>>54538133
ah, so now we have a deep striking unit involved as well. I thought we were talking about snipers.

also, you know that you can just hide a commisar behind a tank since it still counts as blocking los?

>>54536553
Have them start making the compromises the Imperium has made to sustain their empire.

AI starts fucking up and killing them, warp entities require them to cull alien sensitives openly, constant war makes them lose sight of their original mission and they see life as less and less essential, burdens of interstellar travel mean they have to rely on the warp more and more just so their whole civilization can function.

They are suppose to represent the original promise of humanity before the bullshit wore them down, lets start seeing some rust start to gather at the edges of this bright, polished future.

>>54538108
>We're saying the blurb acts like they don't need to.
No it doesn't, you're just making shit up to complain about. The blurb says the Tyranids don't waste anything with infighting. It doesn't say "NOTHING IS EVER LOST AT ANY POINT", the only condition that needs to be satisfied is that at the end of the fight, the Tyranids need to have the same resources they started with or more. They do. They already got the energy back. You're literally strawmanning and moving goalposts at the same time.

>>54537672
Drawbba the Hutt

>>54538132
If you haven't even read basic Tyranid lore what are you expecting to contribute to the discussion? They cover planets in Tyrannic jungle when they invade, that's like Tyranid invasions 101. And even if this wasn't explicitly spelled out, absorbing genetics from the races they consume and using it to breed their own organisms to serve functions is Intro to Tyranids 101. HMM I WONDER IF TYRANIDS HAVE EVER CONSUMED A PLANT SOMEWHERE MAYBE? LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS ONE FOR A BIT HURRRR

>>54538158
>Mortarion has been in white dwarf for 2 months

>>54538200
Yes, you need to use the parts of your army together.
Like your opponent is using the parts of his together.
Your asking for one unit, without support, to be able to undo a multiple units supporting each other.

>>54523238
13th black crusade results said what? Oh right. Armless was stuck on cadia, lost all his fleets and it was a near stalemate at that point on the surface.
Take those facts into consideration abbadon was pretty well fucked.

But yanno, fuck having a tournament that decides the outcome of the 13th black crusade not fitting ADB's narrative.

>>54538165
The goalposts are now so far they have lost contact with the Astronomicon.

>>54538204
They don't have the same resources at the end of the fight.
They have the same resources after getting more energy from an outside source.
The writers skipped an important step, so it comes off as stupid.

>>54538198

Energy was never one of the resources in question because it already is plentiful wherever nids roam and will continue to be so until the universe goes dark. The limiting resource for Tyranids, the thing they are concerned with getting and hoarding, has always been biomatter.

The people talking about energy are dumb fucking autistics incapable of parsing normal English and hooting about technicalities that have nothing to do with the information actually being conveyed.

>>54538198
That is what he's saying, which is completely irrelevant to the pic in >>54536906 which has nothing to do with entropy and no mention of energy whatsoever. All it says is the Tyranids don't waste their stores of biological matter. That retard is just tryharding and reading way too much into it to try and twist the words so he has something to bitch about. He spergs out about it the same way every single time the subject comes up because he's the kind of faggot who thinks he's very smart while completely missing the point.

>>54537800
Plastic Kriegers.

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To those arguing about the Nids losing no energy due to consuming stuff being based around normal physics, have you stopped to consider that the Hive Mind's warp shenanigans might be the easy explanation for it akin to the Ork's Waaagh for things just working out like they do, and that the acquisition of biomass is the catalyst for this?

>>54536656
oh
ok

>>54538288
>Biomass is magic.
We get it. Biomass supplies every and is special and limited.
Matter and energy are so easily available they don't matter, but biomass is special and eternal.

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>>54536353
No

Iz owrs now!