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Well lads, we've passed the 3 year anniversary.

Would anyone like to say a few words?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPZIGQcrHA

>>54530283
Fuck age of sigmar.

WFB, gone from the shelves but never gone in our hearts. May you one day return to us.

/x/ keeps telling me skaven are real

I'll wait until I find empirical evidence

>>54526957
Thanks so much, senpai.

Alright - question time:

What is your favourite piece of Canonictly Questionable Lore?

For me it's a tie between:
>Friendly, non-chaos influenced mutants ala Vargr Breughel.
>Drachenfels being older than the arrival of the Old Ones and the Chaos Gods being afraid to tangle with him.
>Humans having their own runesmiths and runic magic.
>Dwarf/Halfling Wizards

>>54530423
Dwarf wizards exist but only for chaos.

>>54530423
>Gazul and Dwarven Witchhunters
>Bretonnian navy and some of their other old lore, like the Sun King

Also kind of curious how magic items and weapons are supposed to work for races that don't use rune magic.

>>54530437
Then let me clarify:

>Non-chaos affiliated Dwarf Wizards.

Personally I preferred it when the lack of Dwarf Wizards was a cultural thing and you'd only find them in expatriate communities in the Empire, and the Sons of Darkness turning to stone was a result of their deal with Hashut.

But to be fair, I also prefer to theory that Hashut isn't specifically a Chaos God but just some ancient being that's been stalking the planet for aeons.

>>54530707
It's in a 1ed Splat book, but it implied that Runic Magic is basically just a permanent manifestation of the working that went into any given spell - so rather than casting it out into the world, it bound it in an enchanting rune.

Dwarfs simply do it better from years of experience, but the human runesmiths had access to the some truly powerful shit (like lesser and greater runes of death) at the cost of being likely to die in the creation of it.

Plus dwarfs hunt down anyone they catch practicing runic magic as a matter of course.

>>54530413
No problem, mang. If it helps, the tool kit comes from the Liber Fanatica collection of fan supplements.

>>54530707
>like the Sun King

What's that?

And if anyone here has read the Nathan Long Trollslayer books, what the fuck was the Mantis thing?

>>54522516
The idea of ghouls is a neat one which I think can be given some extra character by turning them into a unit of failed shapeshifter who have succumbed to their animal nature like the half-shapeshifters some anon mentioned previously.

>Oh, and as for fire lances:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_lance

Wow that shit is really cool, can't believe I've never heard of it before. Seems really fitting for a Cathay army though. Although an old world knightly order adopting fire lances as a result of having worked as sellswords in the east would have been really lovely.

>>54531236
Honestly, I've only seen him mentioned in odd places. If it wasn't for the fact that he was brought up one time in a Gotrek and Felix story, I would've assumed it was fanon. But I guess he was a ruler that in older lore was in charge of Bretonnia before Leoun came to the throne and started making things more traditionally Bretonnian.

>>54530423
I'll go with friendly mutants, since they are still, kinda, possible

I need things to exclaim IC. Suggestions? I looked through some books and so far have:

>By the luck of Ranald!
>Taal's teeth!
>For Shallya's sake!

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>>54531666

>>54531666
Ulric's taint, retreat!

>>54531666
Rhya's generous bosom!
Sigmar's pickle!
Verena's gaping cunt!

Sexual curses are best curses

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What do we know about Estalia? What does it's army specialise in? Does it have any noteworthy people?

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>>54531927
They have a colony called Santa Magritta in Lustria, and as a people hold Myrmidia above most other gods. The northern kingdoms are Bilbali aren't all that different from Bretonnia - at least, enough that the Bretonnians consider them true knights - but the southern kingdoms are 'full of peasants.' They do a lot of maritime trade and have a pretty powerful navy to protect it, at least around their own coasts. Pretty sure they're the origin of Pizzaro from Pizzaro's Lost Legion. I think they tend to prefer fighting with rapiers and parrying daggers, with fairly light armor.

Otherwise, all we really know about them is that it's a great place to get some sexy babes. Oh, and fish. They trade a lot of salted fish, and probably get first dibs on stuff from Araby.

>>54531966
>Pizzaro
Goombas and spics are not same

>>54531927
Estalia is basically Spain.
We don't have any real informations about them military wise, except that they have diestros, who are basically professional swashbucklers and fencers, but are more duelists rather than soldiers.
They also have a great culture concerning art and y in everything they do, fighting included (hence the diestro, who must be as skilled with a rapier as he is stylish)

Being spanish, i figure they'll have an equivalent of conquistadors, and their armies are the very epitome of pike&shot

>>54531966
Pizzarro is Tilean iirc

>>54532005
Art and beauty*

>>54531236
>like the Sun King

>What's that?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIV_of_France

>>54531966
>Pizzaro Lost Legion
>Pizzaro L L
>Pizza Roll

I JUST GOT THIS

>>54532164
So the Brets went backwards from King Louie?

>>54532244
I'm not experienced enough with older fluff to know - it might have been a way they explained the shift from 'not!17th century france' to 'king arthur and his knights of the surprisingly french table.' Sun King was not chivalrous, and Louen was and wanted to return to tradition.

>>54530410
skaven doesn't rael

>>54531666
>Sigmar's Ball!
>Karl Franz Chicken!

>>54531927
since its just like real Spain, but without football, obviously no.

>>54530410
>trusting /x/
There's your problem citizen, now find out who are the people who told you that these...skaven are real and inform your nearest templar of sigmar about it

>>54531707
Makes me wish there was a Bretonnian version. There's sayings in the Knights of the Grail book, but some of them are real world sayings, but with confusingly different meanings.

>Battling with Bohemond - something unlikely, or likely to end in failure. A reference to Bohemond Beastslayer and his refusal to fight unworthy opponents.
>Lady luck - a common expression when something fortunate happens or someone is fortunate with no reasonable explanation beyond divine intervention, referring to the Lady of the Lake i.e. 'He's got a bit of Lady luck about him' - variations include Lady's luck, etc
>Gisoreux shower - doing something that only benefits others
>Tinsmith - slang for knights, referencing their metal armor
>Lances at dawn - a phrase used to describe anything done eagerly or early, i.e. 'I told him we're not ready to plant the fields, but it's lances at dawn with him!'
>Repanse's daughter - a way to refer to a particularly bullheaded woman
>Grailer - jailer, rhyming slang. Also a reference to Grail Knights that guard chapels
>Prince Roderick, I presume - something you're supposed to say to a human you met in Lustria or the Southlands
>Mousilion fruitcake - any food made with scant or rotten ingredients, a reference to the corrupted duchy and it's widely-assumed lack of fruit

>>54530423
>Humans having their own runesmiths and runic magic.
This is possible.

I mean good luck ever prying the information out of the dwarves and it would take an assload of research and experimentation, but there's nothing technically preventing humans from runecrafting?

>>54530707
The Bretonnian navy exists though, and is one of the strongest navies in the world.

The knights of the sea use cannons all day erry day and get around it by saying the laws against 'Crossbows' only apply on land, and they get away with it because the navy is so vital.

Also Dwarves being part of a witchhunter band seems not too odd, there ARE dwarves living in the Empire afterall.
Just like how you get groups of Elves living in major human port towns,

>>54532776
Technicly no, but it's more dangerous for them, since runesmithing can be kinda dangerous, Dawi have a natural resistance to magic who help them, and thousand of years of experience, on top of runesmithing being teached at the base by their ancestor gods ( who probably learned it from the Old Ones).

Human have none of that, their progress would be...considerably slower and more dangerous.

>>54532800
What if the human was a half-dwarf

>>54532776
Maybe the average human lifespan?
>>54532800
>it's more dangerous for them, since runesmithing can be kinda dangerous.
I don't know what other canon says about dwarven runecraft, but in realms of sorcery for WFRP2 it is stated that runecraft is way safer than the type of magic that wizards use, and humans can obviously be wizards - although the nature of Empire wizards seems to magic in safe-mode for dummies, since Teclis knew that humans did not have the skill or lifespan to master high magic.

>>54532809
Le-lewd!

Don't know if it's possible tough; or on how the dwarf would react (probably not in a good way).

>>54532829
Ho yes, it's safe to use, but you can see with the Anvil of Doom that you must be trully skilled to craft powerfull rune, or it can backfire.

>>54532790
>The Bretonnian navy exists though, and is one of the strongest navies in the world.

I have never liked this idea that Bretonnia somehow has the strongest navy in the Old World. It just seems wrong with the rest of the Bretonnian ethos and how their society is.

>>54532860
But is the anvil of doom not the exception rather than the rule?

>>54532860
what did you expect from something called "something OF DOOM"?

>>54532862
I agree

The fact that they willingly circumvent the "no guns" rule on a technicality doesn't match up either

>>54530707
We don't really know how, but priests of Vaul can permanently imbue magic into an item when forging it. Magic can also be infused by human wizards or simply by corcumstance, gaining a legend or a pattern of doing something special.

Obviously Chaos can do it too, usually by trapping a daemon in the item.

>>54532886
I alway imagined that it would be cool for Brettonia to have kind of huge ship, acting like aircraftcarrier but with pegasus knight, and more small ship manned by peasant; would kinda like how they fight on land.

But I'm not bothered by them being a very powerfull navy, after all the Empire is first a continental power and onlu Nordland and Ostland have coast, while Brettonia have a LOT of coast.

>>54532862
>>54532886
There's absolutly nothing wrong with it, do you see how many port cities for profitable trade they have? And all those knights on quests need to be transported somehow.

And it is the nature of man to be able to double-think and work around restrictions.
The lords of the sea obviously aren't liked by the horsefuckers but they have to respect their vital role for the country.
And the sea captains have another god they hold higher than the lady, so its obvious they aren't getting the anti-missile blessings.

If anything you are just trying to force a faction into being a boring one-note stereotype instead of something richer.

>>54532936
>And the sea captains have another god they hold higher than the lady, so its obvious they aren't getting the anti-missile blessings.

Alberic de Bordelaux is very pious to both gods tough.

>>54532954
being named after a city named after a brothel its obvious he has to go both ways

>>54532936
it takes like 5 days to ride from one end of France to the other. Even if Bretonnia is twice the size, I'm gonna bet they won't have an issue with riding around in the wild for a couple of months or even years.

>>54532962
This is technily false, but the pun is funny, so be it.

>>54532800
>considerably slower and more dangerous.
More dangerous, but I'd argue they would be faster - if only because they'd willingly take stupid risks.

Curious - the shorter your natura lifespan, the more suicidal you tend to be.

>>54532835
Gotrek seems to think it's possible. Not that any of the elder race would stoop to such a mixed marriage, of course.

>>54532860
Humans figured out how to make lesser and greater runes of death - runes which do not, to my knowledge, exist in the dwarfen runeset.

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>>54530217

So, here is what probably is the biggest battle report I ever did.

6k vs 6k, We against DoC. Pic related was the map (including 2 WE forest, one from the base rule the other from Acorn of the Ages.

Roosters were:

Doc:

Demon Prince of slaneesh with 1 fifty point gift, flying, 4th level of slaneesh

Demon Prince of nurgle with 1 fifty point gift, flying, 4th level of death

Great Unlean one with 2 fifty point gifts, 4th level of nurgle

1 Herald of Khorne with 2 25 point gifts on juggernaut

1 Herald of Khorne BSB on juggernaut and frenzy locus

1 Herald of Nurgle with 50 point gift

1 Herald of Nurgle with palanquin with a 50 point gift, and poisonous loci on a 5+


30 plaguebearers with command

30 plaguebearers with command

30 pink horrors with command

30 pink horrors with command

3 plague drones

3 beasts of nurgle

6 beasts of nurgle

1 soulgrinder

2 skull cannons

4 juggernauts full command


WE rooster:

4th level mage (light) with +1 casting book and 5++

4th level mage (light) with acorn

4th level mage (fire) with moonstone dispel scroll and MR2

Glade Lord on great stag, with armor of destiny and daith reaper

Glade lord with silvered steel armor, great weapon, dawnstone and the other trickster shard

Glade captain on great eagle with dragonhelm, hail of doom, shield and asrai spear

Glade captain BSB with armor of destiny

Shadowdancer with potion of strenght

Waystalker


20 dryads

35 Eternal guard with shields full command and +1 LD

17 glade guards with poisonous arrow musician

17 glade guards with -3 armor save arrows musician

17 glade guards with trueflight arrows and musician

10 deepwood scouts with poisonous arrows

8 treeking with champion

5 warhawk riders

5 wild riders with full command shield and +1M

34 wildwood rangers with full command and razor banner

4 Treeman with strangleroot

If I conquer Mannlet as Vlad before he gets a chance to hire Ghorst or Kemmler, will I be able to hire them? Or they are gone along with Mannlet?

>>54533035

Development is hell on earth as we rolled a shitload of scenery plus acorn.

Elves are on bottom, the treemen are evenly distributed in the map, treekin get inside the castle, trueflight and arcane bodkins archer share the forest on the middle low (all the mages are in the trueflight unit), in front of them we have the wildwood rangers (with bsb, shadowdancer and on foot lord), hagbane archer get the hill.

In fron the wildwood rangers we have the riders (with the stag riding lord), on the hill the hawks and the eagle riding captain.


On the other side, the soulflayer and the demon prince of slaneesh are on the top right, the great unclean (with rolled the 2+ armor gift) and the demon prince of nurgle are hiding behind the house.
both units of pink horror are in front of the mage tower.
Plaguebearers are in the middle, with the juggernauts between them.

the little unit of beasts is in front of the house, the big one is near the river.
Plague drones are on the hill with one of the cannons, the other cannon is near the soulgrinder.

>>54531666
Check out the religion splat for WFRP 2e, it has a big table of these. I think Core has a fews, and I know Sigmar's Heirs does, too.

Okay /WFG/ while I was bored a thought came across my mind, if the leaders of warhammer factions(Franz, Grimgor, Thorgrim. etc) would compete in a bake-off, who would win?

>>54532979
Knights often quest OUTSIDE of Britannia

>>54533117
it seems like taking a taxi is defeating the point. They're traveling wherever the lady takes them.

>>54533032
Problem is that the Dward loosed many greater rune and ancient knowledge; that's why they seek to find ancient weapon and artifact, because they could bring it to their runelord to learn forgotten rune.

But by "slower" I would mean they would be considerably less efficient. It's implied that much like High Magic, Runesmithing take a lot of time to learn, and thus human trying to learn it at a Dawi level would end up being very old even if they are quick learner. And since half of them would blow themselve up...

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>>54533109
>Franz makes a nice, if a bit boring, cake
>Thorgrim makes stone-hard cake, carved with runes. Its impossible to chew, but will last forever.
>Grimgor's cake looks kinda like picrelated, 'coz he just krumpled the water, eggs, flour (still in bag), and rolling pin together, stuffed it all into oven and then krumpled the oven into a ball too.
>Finubar would make a beautiful and delicious elven cake, that would be awesome all-round, but nobody would notice it, 'cos they'd be looking at Tyrion's and Teclis's inedible, but garishly bright cake... Which is on fire.
>Lord Mazdamundi would convene with other Slann for a few centuries before producing an incredibly ornate cake long after every participant has long died.
>Archaon would just burn the bakery down because muh emo angst.
>Skarnsnik would make a cake filled with knives and tiny piranha-like squigs.
>Belegar would make a cheap copy of Thorgrim's cake.
>Queek would kill Belegar, steal his cake and present it as his own.
>Ungrim would make same cake as Belegar, but it would be on fire.

>>54533137
wait, so Dwarfs are Mechnicus?

>>54533168
Kinda yes.

I think they are even mention of "Golem" during their golden age powered by steam and rune

>>54533032
I want that, a female dwarf ex-adventurer who has a human lover and a bunch of dwarf/human little ones.

Obviously somewhere out of the way where other dwarfs don't travel.

Honestly just any actual appearances of more Dwarf females in Warhammer, they don't even appear in art for most of its history.

>>54533133
You can't ride your horse over the waves to another island/continent.

>>54533219
>omens the Lady sends her knight take him to the edge of the sea
>sees no way to move forward, makes camp
>in the night, full moon rises, makes a path of light on the water
>knight sees a vision or something beckoning him onward
>knight steps onto the moonlight path, it holds him like a road
>rides night through, reaches another shore just as moon sets and the path disappears
>finds himself in Lustria

OR

>omens the Lady sends her knight take him to the edge of the sea
>omens/visions call him onward
>decides to make a leap of faith of sorts, rides into waves
>his horse can now ride on water by the grace of the Lady

both would work in medieval legends, so would fit Bretonnians

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>>54532936
I think my main problem with Bretonnia having the 'best' navy is that we are told that they have it, rather than shown that they do. Because WF-battle is/was confinded to landwarfare then the naval aspects of the factions takes the back seat in terms of the wargame's ability to showcase the navies for the audience. I know that there was the Dread Fleet game, but I know next to nothing about it.

As Bretonnia draws its influence from Britain and France, mainly in the form of the King Arthur mythology, then when I hear 'best' navy, my mind goes to the British Fleet during the seven years war and the napoleonic wars, which for me is too stark a contrast to the mythological aspects of the knights of the round table that permiates througth the rest of Bretonnia.

>And all those knights on quests need to be transported somehow.
Sure, but that does not necessarily mean their navy is best in terms of fighting power?
>If anything you are just trying to force a faction into being a boring one-note stereotype instead of something richer.
Believe me, I would really like Bretonnia to be more that the one-trick-pony that it is, but I think that Bretonnia is pushed so far into a corner fluff-wise that to do anything more with them other than expanding on the "no guns + mounted knights" theme they got going, will break with the believability of them, at least that is how I view it.

>>54533264
And this is your reason for such strong feelings that the notFrench shouldn't have a navy despite being a major coastal faction?

>>54533279
oh, I'm a different anon, just butting in on your conversation

>>54533267
The problem is there isn't a Britain in Warhammer, Albion is a primitive nation of giants and druids.

You know who the Britis competed with?

The cheese-eaters, who now are #1.

Also Naval Warfare did indeed get entire specialist games dedicated to it, your ignorance on the matter and your 'feelings' are meaningless.

Is it just me, or Vlad in TW:WH is just an unstoppable mincing machine that just obliterates anything that even comes close?

I used to support him with blood knights or vargheists, but now I just send him against a whole flank or something and he just chops it up

>>54532776
Considering it takes dwarfs roughly 100 or more year to learn the easiest rune (the rube of stone) i figure the only way runesmithing would be available for humans is a much simpler and faster version of dwarf runesmithing. The result would be generally weaker runes, or highly volatile ones that work just fine until they explode

>>54533310
I'm a bit ignorant on history, but wasn't Spain the naval power of the time before the English took over?

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>"The Bretonnians are arguably the best human sailors in the world. With their great sails billowing in the wind their ships are majestic sights on the high seas. Relying on sail for speed and manoeuverability they try to outgun their enemies with mighty broadsides."

>(Man O War Rulebook pg 38).

>>54533326
That describes human usage of magic in general for fiction. Like that amusing screencap of human mages versus elf mages in D&D.

Live fast, die young, leave a burning corpse.

>>54533365
no one is saying that the lore doesn't say that, just saying they don' think it meshes with Bretonnia

>>54533137
>Dwarf spends ten years making a rune weapon
>Humans shit them out every few month, but occasionally explode in the process

>>54533267
IIRC, it stems all the way back to Man o' War. Bretonnia had a classically designed navy that operated great on the tabletop. Every other navy had gimmicks and short-comings, but the Brets were just a perfect middle ground. Like Orcs in Bloodbowl.

>>54533313
Vampires are sues that have the favor of the development team.

>>54533310
Is the navy run by the nobility or the peseantry? Do they use missile-weapons at sea? If so, guns and cannons - if it is run by the nobility, then how do they get around to do that without being disgraced by the lady? If the peasantry runs the navy, do they do it with the conscent of the king or they somehow independent from him?

>>54533326
Humans can make rune weapons that literally kill with a touch.

>>54533417
>>54533326
>>54532829
>>54532800
>>54532776
Skaven have their own "scratchmarks", which are basically runes, and they don't take long to learn, since Skaven just don't live that long

so
a) runes need not take long to learn, its just regular dwarf idiocy
b) runes need not be dwarfish, humans can even develop their own runic alphabet

>>54533411
The law against cannons doesn't apply on the ocean, just like the real life ban against crossbows only applied to using them against other Christians. And the reason the navy gets away with it is they are simply far too vital to the security and wealth of the nation to do without and without cannons they wouldn't be able to fight everyone else.
https://boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/MOW_Fleets_Bretonnian

>>54533434
Or Dwarwen are simply plain better in efficacity and safety while human and skaven are less efficient, prown to malfunction at the worse possible moment and in general shittier since they don't have the time to learn how to make them proper.

>>54533434
Runes must reflect something about the nature of magic in the warhammer setting - a way for regular angular geometry to capture the winds of magic for specific purposes.

This ties in to the idea of the winds being naturally drawn to specific places - runes must mimic parts of that draw to capture and hold specific strands to create predictably results.

>>54530217
Is this a new game from Games Workshop? i have not seen anything on their webpage.

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Wood Elves are about the only major faction you will never see on the ocean, since they can't surf on treemen they are out of luck.

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Man_O%27_War

>>54533264
Unrelataded to the navy thing, but I like those. I also really like the Tarasque thing of the last thread.

On the legend subject, one might wonder why they are no NotDurendal in brettonia given it's one of the most famous legendary sword of medieval legends.

>>54533498
wow WHFB blown the fuck out

shan't be playing this game anymore

>>54533313
Vlad is a bit of a killing machine on the table too, although not quite like he is in the game.

>>54533484
Nothing in the lore implies skaven or human runes are any less powerful or reliable as dwarfen runes.

The best we can interpret is that crafting runes is an inherently dangerous practice because it is literally drawing the winds of magic down to you. It is safer than being a wizard, but still dangerous. Dwarfs just focus on safety.

The real hiccup is The Rule of Jealousy from Dwarfs :Stone and Steel, and the implications that has for (at least dwarfen) rune mechanics.

>>54532693
>>Prince Roderick, I presume - something you're supposed to say to a human you met in Lustria or the Southlands

Kek

>>54533509
They use living grown siege engines, i see no problem for them sailing through rivers with vessels.

>>54533534
Mate, Dwarf have rune that create earthquake or shit that level. For fuck sake they created Gal Marhaz.

They are also the great rune on the gate of Karaz-a-Karak with is beyond OP.

Human simply don't have rune on this level, they simply don't live long enough to learn them, similar to how they can't into high magic. Even the Elves where impress by the Runes (and ironicly, some very powerfull rune where a co-work of Elves using High-magic with Dwarf runesmith to create thing; but nowday Dwarf change subject when you talk about it).

>>54533498
>You must be at least 18 to post on this board.

>>54533509
>Undead leviathans ressurected to serve as assault vessels.

I fucking love that concept. Miss me some Man o'War though. Dreadfleet just isn't the same.

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How do you stop a mammoth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGPLaoikfk

>>54533592
Greater Rune of Death. Kills with a touch. Dwarfs can't even make that level anymore, but humans can.

All the greater runes you mention the dwarfs can't even make anymore, outside of maybe Kragg the Grimm - but that fucker is how many thousand years old now?

Dwarfs at their peak make the best runes, but dwarfs haven't been at their peak for a long while have they?

>>54533577
What's the joke?

>>54533605
Make sure you packed your Mammoth Handgun

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>>54533032
>Gotrek seems to think it's possible. Not that any of the elder race would stoop to such a mixed marriage, of course.

Fertile trysts do happen, though. A lecherous slayer in G&F is quick to defend his honor by pointing out that contrary to reputation, that one three-way only included ONE elf, and she was a half-elf.

>>54533605
I didn't realise things I saw on the internet could still make me angry. Gg.

But yeah, mass ranks of spears or big fuck-off lumps of metal sent at insane velocities.

>>54533663
And I hoped you got banned.

>>54533161
>Thanquol would accidentally make a Belgian waffle and blame an underling.

>>54533663
If half-elves are still a thing, there is no reason to assume that any of the races uplifted by the Old Ones can't interbreed with one another.

>>54533204
There are, they feature as a hazard in...either the one tomb kangz adventure or the karak adventure.

>>54533077
anyone?

>>54533534

>skaven runes
>reliable

>fellblade kills user
>as occasionaly does the other plague sword
>stormbanner spontaneously fizzles
>most of the other runebanners are one-time use then they crumble
>most warpstone-runed weapons, such as jezzails, tend to explode

really, skaven and reliable are not two words that go well together

>>54533655
>Greater Rune od death Kill with a touch.

Litteraly find no mention of this anywhere.

>Dwarfs can't even make that level anymore, but humans can.

They can, just look at the list of rune that are current, they got some powerfull shit; and they are a "commodity" when we talk about rune; not unique and rare thing.

>>54533417
>>54533434
Skaven runes are far from reliable, much like everything skaven made. They are powerful because skaven use warpstone without giving a shit.
>humans can make runes that kill with a touch
So can dwarfs, the difference is dwarf runes are 100% reliable not to blow up in your face.
I also figure that dwarf runes offer more variety of effects since dwarf don't divide the winds of magic into lores.
A human wizard might infuse a rune with a powerful spell from the lore of death or fire, but that's that, no other combination is possible because human wizards cannot handle more than one lore at the time. Several wizards may enchant several runes on a single weapon but while terribly powerful it would also be increasingly unstable.

Since they work on metals and matter in general i figure gold wizard would be able to make slightly more reliable than the average human runic weapon, but i fogure it'd take Gelt's level of mastery over transmutation rules to make a rune comparable to a dwarven runesmith's

Elf mages would probably have the time and skill to make a runic weapon comparable to a dwarf's, but they respect magic too much to 'imprison' it that way

You also forget that the quality of the object is as important as the power of the rune and the purity of the material used to forge the rune. Only dwarf smiths have the skill to forge such pure and high quality stuff. It's stated that in some cases even the slightest impurity makes the rune unreliable or worse, completely ineffective

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>>54533837

>>54533890
t.butthurt priest of Vaul

>>54533890
It's true tho. Warhammer-wise at least

>>54533411
Going by knights of the grail, cannons aren't even banned on land, just considered in the spirit of the crossbow ban. Merchants are noted to be investing in guns heavily as of late in coastal areas.

>>54533782
Reliable in the sense that the rune is always working. The problem in those instances is that, thanks to shitty designs, they often have dangerous side effects.

But they never just 'stop' being a magical rune weapon unless the rune is damaged. That's what I meant by reliability,

>>54533835
>Litteraly find no mention of this anywhere
Realms of Sorcery, 1ed. Rune Weapons. Specifically the Greater Rune of Death.

>>54533835
>they are a "commodity" when we talk about rune; not unique and rare thing.

The runes shown in D:S&S represent runes the same way Realms of Sorcery represents spells. There may be more/better/easier ones out there, but they exist in the purview of GM fiat. As far as judging their capabilities as a whole, it's what we've got to go on.

I could reasonably expect a well prepared dwarf runelord to make any of the runes in the book, with time. I could not expect them to create something greater than that.

>>54533837
>So can dwarfs, the difference is dwarf runes are 100% reliable not to blow up in your face.
The dwarfs do not have a current contemporary to the Greater Rune of Death. The lesser rune of death is equivalent to a nerfed master rune of smiting.

>>54533683
I've been here since before you came here, and I'll still be here when you finally kill yourself.

>>54533704
Certainly, though we have no reference to half-dwarfs and half-orcs were retconned.

>>54532776
Gold college is doing experiments with rune magic and if I remember correctly they have some success, but suffer from lack of teacher.
I think I've read it in Realms of Sorcery for 2ed

>>54533326
>it takes dwarfs roughly 100 or more year to learn the easiest rune
Dwarfs are slow learners and very traditional, it might be smaller for human.
Also over 100 years is possible for magister to live as being attuned to winds of magic can unnaturally prolong lifespan.

>>54533966
>citing decanonized lore

Next you'll be talking about the Meme King or Karl-Franz being corrupt and weak.

>>54533991
Were the orcs uplifted by the Old Ones or just kinda a mistake?

>>54534010
>Arguing canon in Warhammer

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>>54533980
Yeah, what would /tg/ do without trash threads. Glad you are here, my certified oldfag.

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>>54534024
They were apparently already there.

>>54534045
You seem to be thinking of someone else.

>>54533991
Orcs don't have females except in the Blood Bowl universe

https://www.reddit.com/r/bloodbowl/comments/6mma72/orc_cheerleaders/?st=j5l0iyl7&sh=6b70f5c4

>Captcha was "OKAY PERT"

I'm resisting the urge to give up on WHFB universe and make up my own fan setting to house my armies.
Help resist!

>>54533966
>dwarf don't have a current greater rune of death
>wfrp 1ed
Maybe not rulewise, but fluffwise skalf dragonslayer had a runic axe capable of killing a giant dragon in a single stroke, another had a runic axe that could cleave through mountains

Furthermore in 6th dorfs armybook they have a rune of immunity that makes the bearer immune to insta-death effects, and it's not even a greater rune

Also with realm of sorcery 2ed you can easily make a dwarven rune of death following the runes creation rules

>>54534326
>rune creation rules

Can you point me in the right direction? My eyes must be painted on.

>>54534326
Dwarf runes will be outpaced the by Empire runes fhe same way there fech will be outpaced.

Ďwarfs can do great quality stuff given time - but they no longer produce the amazing results they once did, and they no longer make the great leaps and bounds of advancement that they used to.

The Empire will eventually outstrip them by just making shittier versions but doing so faster and industrialising it.

>>54534473
At the end of the book, right after the rules by which a runesmith PC can forge a rune and some runes are listed as example. It's stated that the list is by no mean complete and playera and GMs are encouraged to come up with their own runes, provided they respect the procedures.
It's been a while since i checked, but i seem to remember a little template or a note saying you can help yourself using the rules for creating normal magic objects

>>54533605
>it's fucking up some men at arms
Gee whiz buyo

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>>54533605
Like in real life 10000 years ago.

>>54534193
What's gonna change if you do?
Do it faggot

>Men-at-Arms
>walk on legs, not on arms
what are these misleading names?

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>>54530423
>Friendly, non-chaos influenced mutants ala Vargr Breughel.
Ludwig von Wittgenstein did nothing wrong. (Spoilers for Death on the Reik)

>>54533077
they are gone.
you can only get them if you confederate.

>>54535040
meh, not that I cared that much, just wanted to look at Krell

>>54534985
It's not misleading since they're not called Men On Arms.
However they confused me when I was growing up(2005-2010) and studied history I kept imagining IRL Men at Arms as poor schmucks

>>54535039
Aww, poor Ludwig

>>54534000
>dwarfs are slow learners
On the contrary, it's stated multiple times in canon that when dwarfs and humans met for the first time the dwarfs considered humans slow learners and clumsy when they taught them smithing and metalworking. There is a reason if the dwarven word for 'human' translates as 'shoddy, mediocre'

What really gimps the dwarfs is their perfectionism. Dwarfs are literally incapable of accepting something that is not absolutely perfect in every way. Where a human swordsmith simply makes a sword and says 'good enough', a dwarf smith will try and try again until he is absolutely and undoubtably certain that the sword he made is absolutely the best he can do.
Even when inventing something new, while a human engineer comes up with an idea and makes a prototype saying 'let's see how it fares, i'll perfect it along the way', a dwarf engineer will make a project, do it over and over until it's perfect, the test it again and again for cenuries, restarting many times over if he finds even the slightest imperfection

For dwarfs, there is no good or bad, it's either the best, or it's worthless

>>54534578
This is what will probaly happen, but human will never be on par with dwarfs. They will simply replicate a shoddy version of what dwarfs do and flood everything with their product, making dwarf work something of the past,something legendary that nobody can equal or care to try.

The only counter to this was after SoC, when Thorgrim Grudgebearer decide it was tim for them to stop being such conservative assholes and get a move on

>>54534326
>runic axe that could cleave through mountains
How the fuck do you cleave through something wider than your reach?

>>54535059
you should use cry

nsos' faction mods. Kemmler starts in mousillon.

>>54535150
so dorfs really are autistic.

>>54535168
magic

>>54533678
>I didn't realise things I saw on the internet could still make me angry. Gg.
Selling Hunting licenses to fat tourists is one of the few industries in Africa that makes clean money and keeps people employed, asshat.

>>54535241
not to mention that these licenses allow the parks to make money to keep on functioning

>>54535241
>>54535272
and crime is the only thing that saves many people in the world from starving to death. so we should forgive them. yeah, no.

>>54535168
You hit the base and the runic magic does the rest

>>54535219
Autism is basically mandatory in a society where the worth on an individual is based on how good he is at what he does, and even the smallest mistake can make you a pariah

>>54535289
so you would rather have poachers roam and decimate fauna because you think the system sucks.

Its no different than havin an open season for certain animals in certain national parks in the USA.

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>>54535168
>How the fuck do you cleave through something wider than your reach?

>>54535241
That's an indictment of Africans, if anything.

>>54535356
Sure you faggot, its not as if europeans went apeshit and did a number on the big cats in their colonies.

>>54535241
>Thinking that because a situation has a rationale it means you can't have an emotional response.

You could show me a video of a man drowning a baby and I would get angry. It doesn't matter if the baby was baby hitler version 2.0 infected with super zombie aids and the man was literally Jesus trying to save us all. You autist.

Fuck, for all I know the elephant was a man-killer going around squashing cats. What I see is three guys in a line shooting an elephant and that shot makes me pissed.

>>54535375
they hunted the tasmanian tiger to extinction in Australia just 80 years ago

>>54535453
1st world ethics and regulations work well in the 1st world. Africa is an entirely different matter

>>54535375
Guess they shouldn't have sucker so bad at surviving, lmao.

>>54535471
This ain't a matter of regulations, but of cultural norms. Like I said, the motivations were never a part of my reaction - just three guys shootig an elephant and congratulating each other on it. My gut response to that is anger.

Can you guys save talking about this gay shit for someone who cares, like >>>/an/ or >>>/mlp/ ?

>>54533683
I don't understand, what about his post vexes you so?

Do you just hate Japanese elf images that much?

>>54535724
After nigger mod's reign, a lot of users from the likes of the GitP forums and charop forums came here thinking it would be a safe space for them, they're pissed when someone does something 4chanish.

>>54535742
this sounds like tinfoil shit you'd find on /pol/

>>54533906
Hotek, the High Priest of Vaul was literally driven mad by his inability to replicate Dwarf work.

>>54535832
>"Oh merciful gods, why are my works so damn PERFECT? I'm just trying to make something crude and primitive, and all I get is another masterpiece! Gah, this is frustrating!"

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You know who are the coolest Priests? Morr's.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cult_of_Morr

Morr and his followers should be more prevalent in warhammer media.

>>54532244
Except it's Pirazzo's Lost Legion

>>54535901
Looking forward to seeing them as one of these "rogue armies" in TWW2

>>54535724
Someone made a shit elf thread with the same pic yesterday, that got deleted.

>>54535901
Pizza Rolls.

>>54535893
Don't Ulrican priests have to kill a wolf barehanded?

>>54535893
bah, Morr's priests are to Necromancers what our world's goths are to Dracula. powerless wannabees, dressing up "cool", nothing more.

>>54535950
Priests of Morr don't want to be necromancers and can actively interfere with the undead. Even vampires are wary of them.

And if you pissed them off by being a cock sucking busta, the stronger ones can tear out your soul.

>>54535976
then they are just like latent gays who deny what they are and so turn fervent homophobes

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>>54535950
But muh skull fetish.

>>54535997
EVERYONE is Empire has skull fetish, doesn't make Moar's priests any different

>>54535996

M8 Morr is the god of things actually dying their natural deaths and staying dead, same with Amethyst wizards.

>>54536066
both are just Necromancers who deny what they are out of fear instead of taking it

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How Finubar can compete?

>>54536177
>skipping leg day

>>54536177
That hammer is awful

>>54536113
Fuck off Kemmler, don't you have a giant skeleton to masturbate?

>>54535893
>Wearing bones as a fashion accessory

Doesn't seem very respectful of the dead.

>>54533161
>Alarielle would make vanilla fruit cake, she actually baked Tyrion's cake
>Morathi would make cake with aphrodisiac
>Malekith would overcook cake but later finds he should have left it in oven longer to make it better
>Hellebron would make blood meat pie instead of cake

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>>54536230

He would if he could find him.

>>54533161
>Finubar would make a beautiful and delicious elven cake, that would be awesome all-round, but nobody would notice it, 'cos they'd be looking at Tyrion's and Teclis's inedible, but garishly bright cake... Which is on fire.

I laughes hardest at this.

>>54535950
You're stupid, Morr's priests are ANTI-necromancers.

Necromancy is the very antithesis of what they do, their powers often revolve around banishing undead and blessing corpses so they can't be raised.

>>54536377
It's like of Dhalsim wears a necklace of child skulls of kids that died from Plague in Street Fighter.

>>54536554
see >>54535996

>>54536539
Who wants to eat the cake of a cuck?

>>54536377
They're probably bones given for that purpose by the devout or by members of the cult. Ancestor veneration is still a thing in the Empire and it isn't considered disrespectful in some contexts to keep bones.

>>54536586
No, this is like saying you kill vampires so you must worship Nagash.

>>54536377
>Fashion accessory
>"Ugh Wolfgang tibia bones are sooooo last century"

>>54536652
well, if you kill vampires, you're most likely doing it out of jealousy, that they didn't share their splendour and immortality with you

>>54533705
Dwarfs had golems, I want to say they were called Juggernauts?

I don't remember which edition they were last in but they guard the Karaks founded in the time of Valaya. I think Karaz-a has two.

>>54536381
>Sigvald's cake looks exactly like him; anyone unwise enough to try some is violently killed for 'marring my perfection'

>Wulfrik leaves to get ingredients for his cake and last you heard is still travelling everywhere collecting them

>Tzeentch bakes a cookie. If wuestioned, he starts giggling uncontrollably and refuses to explain

>Mannlet bakes a cake, sees it's inferior to Vlad's, and chimps out, jumping on the table and stomping on everyone's cake

>Thanquol summons a Bloodthirster accidentally

>Malus Darkblade steals a cake, causes a small war, and flees with it.

>>54533906
Reminder that one of the best Runes was invented by Warhammer Narvi and Celebrimbor expies.

>>54536675
They should bring them back as endgame units for TWW.

>>54534024
In Nücanon, greenskin origins are "maybe came from wherever the Old Ones did, then they told Saurus to wipe them out".

Eltharion/Lizardmen alliance when?

>>54536711
>Celebrimbor
You mean Kelloggs Blueberry?

>>54533161
>Louen bakes a cake that is exact copy of Franz's, but tastes more bland and has fleur-de-lis on it
>Ariel and Orion bake a very delicious cake... but the wooden plate its served on tries to murder anyone that touches it
>Fay Enchantress's cake looks and tastes exactly like Ariel's but has word HUMAN written all over it in whipped cream

>>54536592
Alarielle ain't his wife. He just got a freebie year to fuck Tyrion's girlfriend.

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>>54533161
>Greasus Goldtooth attempts to start baking a cake but ends up eating all the ingredients and a judge, and then attempts to eat all the other cakes.

>>54536811
And she still had Tyrion's baby.

I quite liked the potential political upheaval on Ulthuan that the Alarielle/Tyrion relationship could cause. Fuck the end times, it could've been interesting.

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>>54535893
Their knightly order is badass as all hell, dark knights in full armour that that have the undead as their signature foe. specializing in ranged weapons unlike other orders along with classic knightly combat styles/weapons to this end.

http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Knights_of_Morr

>>54535039
Over a year? Not a single night?

>>54536742
>Louen bakes a cake that is exact copy of Franz's, but tastes more bland and has fleur-de-lis on it
Wrong.

Louen bakes a cake shaped like a knight on a charging horse, and for a lance it has a birthday candle.

>>54536879
that's how Bretonnians see it
to everyone else its still a lazy copy of Franz's one

>>54533161
>Kemmler digs a year-old cake out a trash heap
>Settra doesn't bake a cake. ALL CAKES ALREADY BELONG TO SETTRA!

>>54533310
You call Manowar a specialist game despite it being phased out even before Fanatic, where do you get off calling other people ignorant?

>>54536697
>N'kari mixes a cake, Tyion and Teclis changed the dials on the oven so he/she accidently cooks it at 800 Fahrenheit for 15 minutes
>Wurrzag goes into a trance and throws random things into a bowl, stirs it while dancing, then throws it in the oven "TILL MORK SEZ ITS CRISPY ENUFF". Result isn't a cake, but tastes pretty good regardless
>Gobbla licks Queek's mixing bowl and has to be rushed to Da Vet
>Thorek still isn't finished mixing, it turns out he's trying to have it done by next decade
>Archaon sits in a chair glaring at everyone because he hates cake and Be'lakor stole his recipe book, then gets up and takes credit for a storebought cake which Grimgor promptly eats
>Naestra and Arahan make a layer cake; the bottom is made with Carolina Reapers, the middle is licorice and bacon, the top is maple with a lovely floral decoration made from spun sugar
>Settra makes a cake from honey and beer wheat bread topped with dates and spices nobodt can identify. Its simple, but the largest and nobody hates it
>Bugman creates a horrifying beer gelatin concoction in the shape of a cake. Fights break out over who gets to taste it
>The Glottkin creation requires a hazmat team to deal with
>Nagash steals the leftovers in everyone else's mixing bowls and makes a hodgepodge batter. After three attempts to get it right with Skaven screwing with his timer he gives up and takes one slice from each of the vampire cakes to call his own
>Greasus piles up coins then Gnoblar dump fondant on it, and since he is the sponsor of the whole thing he gets to eat whatever the judges don't

>>54536952
>Thinking the French wouldn't make the best cake.

Litteral pleb

>>54536672
So you think Khorne is just misunderstood and really needs a hughywug?

>>54536736
I'm okay with this. Orks/orcs are perfect.

>>54536841
Shouldn't have been that bad.

Phoenix King fathering Everqueen is a cultural tradition, not a religious rule, and the Curse Of Aenarion only affects males.

Not to mention Tyrion could become Phoenix King after Finubar dies.

>>54533161
>Vlad makes a delicious red velvet cake using real blood and gives it to Isabella

>>54537068
>Gotrek and felix don't make a cake.
>After the competition, Felix can be found out back, throwing the most dangerous looking uneaten cakes at a barechested Gotrek while sobbing uncontrollably.

>>54537144
>Curse Of Aenarion only affects males.

No, it doesn't. The Everchild had it and passed it on to poor Nagash

>>54531927
Myrmidia was from tilea. Fuck you.

>>54537144
Tyrion becoming Phoenix King was exactly part of the problem.

A militaristic Phoenix King who's a descendant of Anaerion (bearing his sword and armor) who doesn't particularly care for politics AND has the full support of the Everqueen (who's a bit boisterous for the noble's taste anyway)?

The politicians of Ulthuan would hate him.

And because fuck the End Times, Aliathra bears the curse because it's passed down through Morellion's (and Malekith's we'd assume his dick is crispy and/or in his mum) line. Finubar not being her dad doesn't make her less of the heir, but it's a pretty big scandal, especially when she's a child that's uniting the two arms of Anaerion's family tree.

>>54535150
>What really gimps the dwarfs is their perfectionism
May lead to the same.
Dwarf runesmith needs to spend 80 years memorizing all history of the craft and so he can retell history of runecrafting at any time.
While human education is 100 hours of lecture and some kind of abc exam, as who gives a fuck about theory and history if you can use a book for reference.

So if dwarf is able to learn twice as fast as human he needs 100 years, with 60 of theory and history, 20 of metal working so he may forge his weapons and 20 of runecrafting

While human wizard spends 1 year learning the basic of theory and some history 40 years of practice and buys masterwork sword from smith with 40 years of experience.
In the end humans did it twice as fast despite learning twice as slow.

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>>54530386
A-any day now, r-r-right?

>>54537151
>Konrad screams at his assistants to make a better cake untol they quit. He then burns his hands trying to do it himself and wanders around the Empire baking area while Mannfred takes over his station
>Abhorash makes a perfect cake according to the traditional recipe, then helps his assistants make cupcake versions of it
>Ushoran started with a huge grandiose plan but Orcs stole his cooking ingredients and the Empire cut the wire to his mixer with Neferata's cooking knife, now he's in the middle of a nervous breakdown and trying to mix the broken pieces of his utensils while his assistants cry in the fetal position or warm themselves by the oven
>Some guy showed up claiming to be W'soran and keeps changing his name, he's managed to create a twelve layer wedding cake with each being a completely different flavor because every assistant worked on a different later by themselves. The top is crowned with a fondant sculpture of a chibi Nagash and surprisingly stylized hearts
>Neferata makes a small version of Settra's cake, but since she's one of the judges gives herself a top score
>Arkhan didn't make a cake, he just helped Nagash and Neferata the whole time
>Maatmeses sculpted raw cookie dough into the form of a naked woman doinh something lewd and put it on a Christmas cake, but used flour that was full of insects
>Harakhte just put icing on a giant poppyseed pot brownie
>Kemmler brought out the now very moldy fruitcake he's entered at the last ten competitions, now decorated in Chaos symbols and hearts in gaudy speckled icing
>Krell secretly entered his own cake as Kemmler's, a surprisingly tasty fruitcake, after throwing Kemmler's in the garbage

What's the deal with the Imperial Gunnery School?

>>54537486
>Noctilius made a cake out of the stuff stuck to everyone else's baking pans held together with some raspberry filling he stole from the Sartosan table
>Drachenfels made something that looks like a white chocolate cake but is actually pumpkin, topped with chocolate Orcs and Daemons
>Genevieve made a coffee cake topped with strawberries, and is criticized for not doing it right or even being invited
>Brunner enters the competition as a vampire because nobody would expect it, his cake is actually poison. The only judge who can eat it and not get violent diarrhea is his bounty

>>54537485
That's from 40k and TWW, dumbass.
If AoS was the reason we wouldn't be getting back the Warhammer setting as WFRP 4e.

>>54537544
>That's from 40k and TWW, dumbass.

It's actually not. 40k 8e sales are too recent to factor into sales reports, and they're talking of sales, the majority come from their brick and mortar stores, not money from licenses.

>If AoS was the reason we wouldn't be getting back the Warhammer setting as WFRP 4e.

Why not? They've continued to sell the Warhammer Fantasy IP.

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>>54537485
>40k and non-AOS releases sells included
>haha! AOS is doing great

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>>54527231
The 7th edition had the same casualty removal rules as the 6th.

>>54537544
>Implying the Age of Sigmar RPG won't give Age of Sigmar the flesh to finally defeat Fantasy Battle for all time

>>54537619
Anon, 40k get a FUCKTON of new shit prior to 8e.

>>54537805
7e was pretty unpopular in it's dying days which this period covers.

>>54537207
Then why is her main temple in Estalia?

Checkmate, rat-fondlers.

>>54537207
I didn't say anything about Myrmidia

>>54537801
>aos
>an rpg
I'm just curious to see how they'll manage to salvage something from that heap of garbage. Kudos if they pull ot off

I read all aos fluff and i didn't understand shit of what the fuck i was reading

>>54537898
Age of sigmar fluff feels like old, fond, square pegs being whittled into circles to fit into a new, strange triangular hole

>>54537898
>I read all aos fluff and i didn't understand shit of what the fuck i was reading

How? It's pretty simple.

>>54537822
Yeah but the armies like Skitarri and Knights were not.

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>>54537485
>thread is so dead he had to go to the dead game's thread and take credit for a video game and 40K to get anyone to talk to him

>>54537950
AoS isn't the kind of setting where you play as an Ostland Ratcatcher and uncover a Chaos Cult with the help of a Dwarf Slayer.

There's almost no civilian presence in AoS. In old army books you had fluff blurbs about Tileans being called sheepfuckers, bawdy songs, Elf love tragedies, an elderly Dwarf telling stories to scam beardlings out of pipeweed, the plight of farmers turned militia, and so on.

40k is about gods and godlike beings. Without being in the niche of gritty commoners, it'd just be are more derivitive Exalted.

Its similar to the reason MMOs fail, or the result if Blizzard axed WoW to focus on HoS. They don't find their niche and can't compete with an established product, and get into competition they didn't need. By making AoS mainstream, they lost what made them stand out.

Someone on a /vg/ thread mentioned that female dwarfs are about 10-20% of their population. Is that accurate? If yes, how do the dwarfs even maintain their numbers? Does each of them have to give birth to at least 10 dwarfs?

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>>54538067
It's 25%.
Their fertility is actually lower than humans but since they live much longer and gestation is about the same, they have about four children each on average over their lifetime.

>>54537169
I feel like it needs either context or to be further elaborated

>>54532862
Kinda makes sense - maybe the Empire is stronger ship-for-ship, but they haven't really recovered from the loss of Marienburg and their numbers are low and they have a short and rocky coast to guard.

A huge portion of Bretonnia is coastal, so they'd need a lot of ships to protect that, and they have two major trade ports, Bordelaux and L'Anguille, and back in the day Mousilion was a third. One of their pieces of fluff is fighting off a Tomb Kings fleet - maybe they developed a cebtralized navy since their kingdom was unified from the beginning and never split under civil war, like how the beginnings of the Imperial navy were individual efforts by different provinces. So they have a larger navy by default, even if it's technologically behind or weaker than the ships of elves or dwarves or Imperials.

>>54538067
Depends on the source, but females are between 10%-25% of the Dwarf population. They rarely do anything but be wives with VERY expensive dowries or as advisors to their patriarch, barring one queen and one adventurer explicitly mentioned. There's implications priestly duties take priority over their breeding/economic/political duty though.

Most males don't get to breed if Drong is anything to go by. Just fuck human and Elf hookers if Snorri is anything to go by.
Makes sense considering the importance of who your father is.

Females likely take multiple husbands given their central goddess Valaya married both the war god Grimnir and the craft god Grungni. But in lore that's I think the only reference to polygamy.

In general, GW just didn't want to deal with females. Every 4th soldier as a girl is an Elf thing, stay in the kitchen -4 ST is humans, we don't talk about Dwarf girls unless its Helgar.

Females do not have beards before you ask, their weave their hair into plaits which is how they show off hair authority.

Oh, and its canon Dwarfs are foot fetishist chubby chasers.

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>>54537169
Wut?

>>54537169
I have questions

>>54538064
>40k is about gods and godlike beings

Man, the best part of 40k rpgs is being the little guy grubbing about in the underhive

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>>54538186
No, dorfs are simply confirmed to have patrician taste in wives.

>>54538186
>if Snorri is anything to go by.
You know you are lucky to be born human even if ugly ass midget hit elven pussy.

>>54533358
Yes, but in the Warhammer world Estalia hasn't united, and is a collection of petty kingdoms like Tilea. It still has a good navy, but it could never be a global power as they are now. Only the Empire or Bretonnia could pull anything off.

>>54533655
It's a parody of 'Doctor Livingston, I presume.' I think he was an explorer that got lost in Africa and was never found, but there was a big uproar about him for whatever reason.

Prince Roderick is a bastard son of a L'Anguille duke who went on an expedition to Lustria as part of a White Dwarf scenario, and his situation isn't too dissimilar from Dr. Livingston, since no one knows what happened to him.

>>54538391
>It's a parody of 'Doctor Livingston, I presume.' I think he was an explorer that got lost in Africa and was never found, but there was a big uproar about him for whatever reason.
Nah, he *was* found. The joke is that when the guy who got sent by the Queen to find him actually found him, he just said "Doctor Livingston, I presume?"

Like, you know, he hadn't gone across half the known world and most of the unknown world to find this guy.

Sadly Livingstone didn't reply "No, I'm a shaved gorilla, you idiot."

>>54538391
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Livingstone

Livingstone was found. It made the news around the world when Henry M. Stanley found him and uttered those words.

>>54534985
The confusing part is how the Empire has men-at-arms as well, though they're not like the Bretonnian version. And Brets are sometimes said to have Squires in the Empire sense, despite other parts of their lore going 'no squires.'

Most of this happens in WHRP and Black Library stories, so I really wish that they'd have learned to keep their terms and ideas more distinct. If you know the mainline Bretonnian infantry goes by men-at-arms, why are you including men-at-arms in the traditional sense in the Empire?

>>54538162
>>54538186

Thanks

>>54538507
You might actually have the autism.

>>54538591
If a sergeant meant something in one country, but in another country referred to a different thing, wouldn't that bother you?

>>54538507
So what is the role of men-at-arms in the empire?
It's stated that state troops are professional soldier who also work as police, so roadwardens are basically state troops. Militia are the irregulars who work as support for state troops and are not professionals, what's left?

>>54538684
That's... that is actually a thing in real life, the same term for a rank meaning different things in different armed forces.

>>54532862
It seems wrong because it is wrong in the context of modern Bretonnia. Man O War came out in 1993, before GW had re-invented Bretonnia in 1996. Back in 1993 the Lady didn't exist and Bretonnian armies had both crossbows and cannons, and Bretonnians lords made heavy use of mercenaries.

>>54538962
Except Bretonnia using naval guns I still canon. Read Knights of the Grail.

>>54538962
Bretonnia didn't stop being a coastal superpower even after that.

Are Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers worth getting a box of?

>>54539137
>Black Library

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Continuing with the Native American Army:

I've found an interesting monster called Chenoo which would make for a great monstrous infantry. It's really in tone with the dark, desperation-filled theme.

>Chenoos are the evil man-eating ice giants of northern Wabanaki legends. A Chenoo was once a human being who either became possessed by an evil spirit or committed a terrible crime (especially cannibalism or withholding food from a starving person), causing his heart to turn to ice. In a few legends a human has been successfully rescued from the frozen heart of a Chenoo, but usually once a person has been transformed into a Chenoo, their only escape is death.
http://www.native-languages.org/chenoo.htm

My thinking is that the fluff for the unit would be that any priests or blood-magic users who go too far in their dark rituals (i.e start sacrificing kin or breaking some other taboo) risks being turned into one of these lumbering monsters who roam the wild with everlasting regret. At times of war they gather in throngs at the battlefield, driven by an invincible urge to seek redemption through the slaughter of their people's enemies.

If you guys approve of the unit, how would you stat it and what, if any, abilities would it have?

>>54539167

I just bought a box of them. the price is not great, but it DOES offer very nice bits for conversions.

I've build 10 EG and used the weapon leftovers to convert dark elves oldschool witches into rangers

>>54539306
Literally a minotaur down to the bloodgreed rule

>>54539306
Ogre stats with Immune to psychology and Strider(Forest).

>>54539347
I'd get them for looks, I'm just not sold on the lore. Orion is a dick and Ariel is useless so I'm not sold on buying their servants.

What kind of forces would Naestra and Arahan have for lore?

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Looking for inspiration for Lovecraftian gods that fit with the native theme, perhaps a trinity of them. Avoiding benevolent gods from mythology and focusing on nightmarish monsters. Each will have their associated units for flavor.

> Name: A'tahsaia, the Cannibal
> Origin: Zuni
> Element: Land

> Name: Piasa, the Bird
> Origin: Mississippian
> Element: Sky

> Name: Unhcegila, the Horned Serpent
> Origin: Lakota
> Element: Water
> Cursed Beasts: Lesser Horned Serpents, Mishipeshu, tribal Deep One analogues?

>>54539306
Is good.

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>>54539555
My thinking was that they should have a devolved wizard-feel to them. Perhaps giving them as a unit a Wizard level of 1 and the spell Doom and Darkness would accomplish that purpose? It would go really well (perhaps too well?) with the Horned Serpent from earlier. >>54520184
I think that their gameplay role should be as a reasonably squishy (for a monstrous infantry) flanking choice with the primary purpose of supporting another unit. By themselves they shouldn't be particularly good but in combination with something like the Horned Serpent or a large block of infantry they should really excel.

>>54539665
This seems really on point. Do you guys recon that it would be too much to combine it with >>54539841 ?

>>54537144
Tyrion would be a horrible Phoenix King, sure he's a fighter without equal but that's all he is, he has no idea what infrastructure is, he's no politician.

>>54539841
>devolved wizard feel
Literally minotaurs with the mark of tzeentch.
Have a unit of, say, at least 3 of them have a bound spell that they can cast on their own, either a template wapon they use before charging or one rolled on the chaos/shadow/death magic

>>54539732
>A'tahsaia, the Cannibal

Quoting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81tahsaia

>Átahsaia is a demon, and thus a spiritual creature. But Átahsaia is also depicted as having physical form. He is a giant, several times larger than a normal human being. In one story, he is depicted as so huge that he cannot fit his shoulders into a cave in which a normal human being can pass easily. In another, his torso is said to be at least as big as a large elk's. In one story, he is said to have long, wild grey hair and hands with skin so thick and gnarled that the knuckles appeared horned. In another tale, he is said to have chest hair as prickly as a porcupine's quills, immensely muscular arms covered in black and white scales, a scalp covered in bristly hair like a bison's mane, a mouth that stretched from ear to ear, and a wrinkled, swollen red face.Several stories agree that he had bulging eyes that did not blink, yellow tusks that protruded past his lips, and long talons.

Átahsaia is depicted as having a number of unsavory behavioral traits. He is a cannibal, but in addition to eating his fellow demons he is also depicted as hungry for human flesh. He is also an inveterate liar.

Átahsaia is often depicted armed with weapons. In one story, his weapon is a huge flint axe. In another, he is said to carry a flint knife "as broad as a man's thigh and twice as long" (which gives an indication of his height as well). He pushes his hair out of his eyes with this knife, leaving his hair crimson with blood.[8] Sometimes, he is said to carry a bow made from an oak sapling.

That certainly seems like the perfect god for my vision of the army.

>>54539884
He just stabs any economic or sociological problem that arises.

Also after becoming king he walks around topless to show off his rock hard warrior abs as both a morale booster for the people and a deterrent to the nation's enemies.
In the nation's darkest hour will whip out his 12-inch king-cucking queen-impregnating cock, forcing all other beings to kneel in submission to its glory.

>>54539882
No, it seems fair. Just don't make them level up according to unit size. Keep it simple. Maybe make them like warrior priest so the magic onl

>>54537144
>Phoenix King fathering Everqueen is a cultural tradition,
Phoenix King is anointed by Asuryan, Everqueen is descendant of Isha, both deities are spouses in 8e.

>>54539999
Maybe make them like warrior priest so the magic only works in close combat.
Hit that enter button by mistake too early

>>54539983
>Have a unit of, say, at least 3 of them have a bound spell that they can cast on their own, either a template wapon they use before charging or one rolled on the chaos/shadow/death magic

Something like this, minus the Chaos-lore, combined with what >>54539665 said seems to me the way to go.

>>54539882
Ogres are not squishy or narly mobile enough to be a good flanking unit.
Go with the minotaur profile, they move fast, hit hard but go down easy if left unattended

>>54530283

Karl Franz and the Old World forever!

>>54530283
The book of grudges is still full

>>54540001
>>54537144
>>54536841
That's kind of fucked up.

The Everqueen is just the breeding sow for a year of whatever monarch takes power, not even any political marriages involved.

How often is it for the Queen to actually have a consort like Tyrion? Is it just noted as normal fact by others as the queen having hers while between king breeding with no real scandal or is it kind of an "unspoken fact".
Is it really cool if she has the kid of someone else that isn't a current king? What is the significance of her children overall?

What about if she went full Queen of the Hive, like an ant, and was basically constantly knocked up?

>>54530283
>Well lads, we've passed the 3 year anniversary.
of what? 9th Age or /wfg/?

>>54533035
>>54533083

I'll take it the other parts are lost?

Reminder that even if Tyrion didn't cuck Finubar, Nagash wouldn't have gotten what he wanted from the Everchild since only Malekith was ever Asuryan's chosen.

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>AoS will kill GW
>Profits up 134%

>>54540175
Why are you talking about things that didn't happen?

>>54540175
Shush, I deny existence of the End Times

>>54540196

> 2017 boost as 40K8E launches
> AoS has been out since 2015

y-yeah guys, i-it was totally Age of Shill!

If anything you can see the tail off after AoS launched.

>>54540245
He knows that, he's just shitposting because his thread is dead. Report and move on.

>>54540245

But the spike starts well before 8e.

>>54540196
>Implying that majority of those sales aren't just 40k
>Implying that interest didn't spike because of the Total War games
The hell are you even doing on this board? Go back to the pit of /aosg/ you crawled out of

>>54540245
Generals Handbook just came out last year.

>>54540196
I wonder what is that abysmal drop from 2014 to 2017, the year numarines came out

>>54530217
Still one of my favorite pieces of Skaven art. Anyone know if we have more in this style?

>>54540266
>>54540269

The spike starts as the hype for 8E builds, remember this is stock price not sales, much of it is based on speculation and people started buying as it became obvious that 8E was around the corner.

>>54540196
>that fucking drop at the start of 2014

Was that the 6E Nid codex?

>>54540341
Artist is Dave Gallagher.

>>54539214
Knights of the Grail is a WFRP 2e sourcebook and was overseen by GW.

It's canon.

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>>54540341
It's Dave Gallagher if that helps.

>>54540026
I'd suggest something along the line of:

M WS BS S T W I A Ld
7 3 2 4 4 3 3 3 7

Special Rules: Immune to psychology and Strider(Forest).

Aswell as:
A unit of not!Chenoo count as having Wizard level of 1 and the spell Doom and Darkness
or
> have a bound spell that they can cast on their own, either a template wapon they use before charging or one rolled on the [...]shadow/death magic

>>54540398
>Design and Writing: David Chart
literally who

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>>54539732
Sisiutl.

Important in multiple mythologies, its a two-headed with dog heads and a face in the middle which is fairly perculiar, its connected to the sea and is extremely fickle or uncaring but it not wanting you dead is very VERY important for your civilization to survive.

Ties into PNW art giving it a distinct look that at a glance is distinct from the others.

>>54540482
Think very carefully about giving your units thing like "count as a wizard" because that way it genratea not only power and dispel dice, but is also targetable by spells that target specifically wizard. Too broken for my taste, the bound spell idea is better balance-wise

>>54540515
A guy who apparently knew his shit because KotG is one ofthe best supplements for WFRP 2nd ed

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>>54540341
Also Geoff Taylor.

>>54540551
You're probably right. Boundspell seems like the way to go.
Any other suggestions regarding bound spell than Doom and Darkness?

>>54540001
No, Kurnous is Isha's wife.

Asuryan was never married to anyone. He in fact rejected the lust of Ereth Khial.

>>54540570
Apparently he didn't, since he used outdated fluff that doesn't mix with new fluff. But rpg fluff doesn't matter anyway, since it's not written by GW. Otherwise we would have canon evil loli vampires

>>54540576
Depends on what you have in mind about these things.

If they are fallen dark wizard who seek redempion, what is their main quality in their semi-feral state? Do they stalk the night or dig up graveyards looking for fresh meat?
Since they're basically windigo with a different name, they could also use some spell from the lore of vampires

>>54540658
Most of the new fluff is trash anyway

>>54540658
I'm sorry, dude, you're wrong. That's okay, though, there's always the 40k general, I heard they love idiots over there. You'd fit right in!

>>54538962
>Back in 1993 the Lady didn't exist and Bretonnian armies had both crossbows and cannons, and Bretonnians lords made heavy use of mercenaries.

that all sounds better than what they became desu

>>54540099
The only ACTUAL rule is the Everqueen is an unending line straight back to Isha, from whom they get their power. The closest comparison would be if the High King of the Dwarfs was always the firstborn female descendant of Valaya.

Since the Everqueen didn't run the military, the Elves developed their own regional nobility which lead her armies. Like Wood Elves.

When Chaos came the lack of unified military rule fucked their defenses. After Aenarion was buffed by Asuryan, everyone realized they needed a sole military authority and created the post of Phoenix King while making Aenarion the first; Phoenix Kings are only ceremonially tied to Asuryan, they don't date back to the time of the gods. This is similar to the position of Runemaster for Dwarfs, it came after the fact. But High Elves placed so much importance on it that every Phoenix King was treated like Asuryan's chosen when in reality they are just the head of the military and nothing else.

To make the position even more important the Elves decided that all future Everqueens would be the daughter of a Phoenix King, so they decreed he has one year to knock her up. But this was decided on by mortals rather than gods and hopds to true weight like if she became pregnant with a son, she was already pregnant, or if their ages did not match or a Phoenix King replaced a King twice in one generation and the daughter hadn't even taken the throne yet.

>>54540656
>Hey Asuryan, do you want to have phoenix-hot ballbusting sex with me, I'm going to open the Gates of Mirai RIGHT NOW
>no way fag

>>54540761
Not an argument.

>>54540852
The canonocity of the RPG is literally not up for debate. It was a GW-supervised and approved product.

>>54540696
My vision of them is more on par with stalk the night while wailing miserably at their fallen state while also being the thing mothers threaten their kids with if they misbehave.

>Respect your elders or your might be turned into a Chenoo!

>If you don't go to bed this instant I will leave you in the forest for the Chenoos!

My reasoning behind Doom and Darkness is basically that seeing a Chenoo deeply saddens the viewer while also suddenly bringing forth all the seemingly overcomed fears from childhood. People are immediately made aware of that the boogeyman is real and that they, or the people they love could become him if they're not careful.

>>54540879
So was the End Times.

>>54540944
That this portion of the community categorically rejects.

Reminder that Based Priestley says there is no canon other than what you accept for your army.

>>54540963
This community rejects all wrongful fluff, including non-canonical trash from Black Library.

>>54540910
I'm not familiar with magic lorea enough to help, but if that's what you want to make them, have themthe Fear rule too, or give them a bound spell that works on the enemy discipline.Give them a spell that has them cause Terror or forces the enemy to roll discipline or run away as an obligatory movement

>>54540968
What is Master Priestly up to these days?

>>54540099
The Phoenix King gets 1 year to sire the next Everqueen, beyond that she can have children with, and be with, whoever she wants. But it's expected that the king will father the next Queen (although there are circumstances where he won't, as it's the firstborn daughter that inherits).

This is why Aliathra is scandal material, because Alarielle was either pregnant going into Finubar's year OR simply kept sleeping with the man she loves. The reader should have sympathy for her and Tyrion - but in the courts of the Asur it's just another reason for the nobles to distrust them.

>>54541098
>simpathy
>for tyrion or the Everslut

Finubar should get khoril's axe and axe them both

>>54541072
He created a new wargame since leaving GW that he still works on. Also he wears a cowboy hat.

Mantic is connected to it I think.

>>54540984
Wrong.

>>54541213
Not wrong.

>>54541098
The nobles have a love/hate relationship with Tyrion.
On one hand everyone is proud of him, and all Silver Helms want to be him or bear his children. Also most of the important ones like Korhil, Caradyran, and Eltharion all grew uo as childhood friends going on adventures.

But he's also quick to punch people in the face and/or call them a cunt in a society built on intrigue and subtle insults or ploys. So the minor nobility and the ones who aren't as military-minded fear and resent him.

>>54541236
wrong

>>54541320
I know you are but what am I?

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>>54539732
I like the idea of a trio of gods. And the themes work too - some kind of cannibal deity, a water god and something for the open land.

For the Cannibal god perhaps take a look at Baxbaxwalanuksiwe and I guess while we're in the area Kumugwe is a fun sea god.

The Horned Serpent might step on the toes of Sotek a little bit as they're both new world gods. It'd be fun to conflate them a little though.
The Piasa is interesting because the modern depiction of it is pretty much a manticore. And since manticores are native to Naggaroth the could be a good tie-in.
I think I'd avoid explicit mythological associations though and just draw on general themes.

>>54541265
Which is why he'd make a fascinating king. Not because he'd be a good statesman, but because he'd try to implement "I'm the king do as I fucking say" which would not fly with most elves.