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>"Northkin" CID
>includes themes
>and Cygnar
>and now Skorne
This is bullshit

First for Get That Bitch an Arc Node. Bitches love Arc Nodes. Personally I'm aiming for FM: Channeler or Soul Slave.

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The Trollblood CID, brought to you by Mercenaries in theme forces and surprise OP Skorne theme

>pic related when PP keeps posting to social media with the "NOW TESTING NORTHKIN" picture and none of the links or topics have anything to do with Trollbloods/Northkin

>>54277251
>>54277243
Would you rather not get new things in your faction? There are more factions than just trolls

>>54277243
What's Cygnar in this? This is SWEEPING THEMES CHANGES and also a new Skorne theme.

and maybe Trollbloods if we have time, we'll see.

>>54277340
The point is let's actually CID Northkin for a few days before we clutter it up with all this other shit.

>>54277340
Trencher CID didn't have all this other shit added on
Don't try and pull this shit

>>54277357
>22:39:18
>my nigga

>PPS_Pagani

>Welcome to the Northkin CID cycle!

>Welcome to the Northkin CID cycle! It focuses >on, you guessed it, Skorne theme forces and >overall theme force changes for the entire >game! A pesky overpowered >Mercenary/Minion model has wiggled in to >dominate the discussion as well!

>>54277357
>Trencher CID didn't have all this other shit added on
Right, just Kraye and stormlances and Warjacks and so on

>>54277356
You can do both anon. At the same time even! Or not at all, CID is totally optional

>>54277607
You know what I meant jackass, not other factions

>>54277619
Whatever, test the stuff that interests you. The other stuff doesn't matter if you're not interested

For the anons talking about WMH books or whatever the ones by that beast hunter author are ok. I think the latest one is called Into the Wild or something like that.

>>54277643
>It doesn't matter lol
Oh piss off

>>54277821
It doesn't? Like, at all? The rules your bitching about are in testing. They have zero impact on the actual game until they go live

If you don't like CID, don't participate. The whole thing is optional

>>54277340
I don't even play Trollbloods (I mainline Legion so no new releases for three more years! Wheee!). I just want stuff to be good. Kolgrima has a fiddly feat but a decent spell list and currently misses out on not having an arc node and not having an upkeep to get for free on a Northkin model in the theme. Hence why I'm angling for Soul Slave.

I just want everyone's stuff to be good Anon.

>>54277810
Into the Storm and Into the Wild by Larry Correia are both good, and Blood of Kings and the Acts of War are pretty alright too.

>>54278313
Blood and Iron, The Butcher, and Instruments of War aren't bad either. The Butcher in particular is a pretty nice read.

>>54278186
>no new releases for three more years! Wheee!
You'll be pleasantly surprised in a couple days.

>>54278313
That's right, thanks. He's a professional writer as I understand it for something like, modern fantasy? Urban fantasy or whatever?

>>54278606
The Butcher story was pretty cool if you don't mind the usual tropes being employed. Personally, I think that the IK works fairly well as a classic sword & sorcery setting with some laborjacks kicking around. It's a completely different scale and tone from the main WMH fluff.

What would a smallish retribution force with a lot of warjacks lead by Helynna look like?

>>54279819
>smallish with a lot of warjacks
Here's what I've got I guess, though Helynna really wants a unit of Dawnguard Sentinels or something to keep her jacks from getting jammed hard
Retribution Army - 50 / 50 points
(Helynna 1) Magister Helynna [+30]
- Chimera [8]
- Discordia [18]
- Manticore [14]
- Manticore [14]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
Arcanist Mechanik [2]
House Shyeel Arcanists [7]
House Shyeel Battle Mages [10]
- Soulless Escort (1) [1]

>>54278186
>I just want everyone's stuff to be good Anon.
That's going to take time and it's not going to happen all at once. PP never could have done it without some kind of CID or community beta test. We'll get there within the next year though.

(Morghoul 2) Lord Assassin Morghoul [+29]
- Agonizer [6]
- Archidon [10]
- Blackhide Wrastler [16]
- Blind Walker [12]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Savage [7]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [0]
Farrow Brigands (max) [15]
- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]
Farrow Brigands (max) [15]
- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]

Reminder that Skorne's new theme offers such huge benefits that you may as well use it for every list you make. Want infantry? Brigands with Morghoul2 and an arc node. Want beasts? Naaresh with a Wrastler and as many Savages as you can field.

>>54277619
To be fair (judging by the concept pics), northkin are getting half of what the trenchers did, it's only natural they'd fill any extra 'space' with other stuff

>>54280995

Get a Shaman in there, anon.

>Also Naaresh may not be the best rage-missile warlock, as his broken shit requires being inside his control range at the time

>Madrak 1 is legit the worst caster in the game
>They make one change to one of his shitty spells

Literally wtf

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I really like Borka.

Thoughts on these lists? I wanted to try Bearka semi-beastbrick and Borka1 BoH, but Northern Storm just does it so much better with access to the Hooch Hauler

>>54282173
Then take Archidons instead, they have long leash.

Dorf player moderately butthurt that our traditional bear allies have sided with the trillion. Some ol' bullshit.

>>54282445
Ice troll and raiders are absolutely useless so you might want to switch them out for something.

>>54283532
another basher and a unit of fire eaters?

>>54283665
More Bears
Those things are insane

Watching Minion players lose their minds over Disciples has been hilarious

>>54277199
Is this game even still alive or it realy rolled over ? What do you play with cygnar now ?

>Swamp Horror still won't see any play

jej

>>54284645
>Is this game even still alive or it realy rolled over ?
Depends on your local meta. Some areas have shrunk, others have grown. /tg/ is always ultimate doom and 40k shilling

What do you play with cygnar now ?
Pretty much whatever. The two best lists are storm division and heavy metal.

>>54284657
>Swamp Horror still won't see any play
I think it'll see some action with Morghoul 2 and 3

>>54283710

Really? What do they kill?

>>54284986
Pretty much anything except for like, Khador jacks due to Gang.

will the Grymkin be available on Warroom this weekend?

>>54286120
Yes, probably tomorrow

>>54285382

So they kill single wound infantry? Or they can kill one jack then die in return?

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>PP Starts Troll CID on Monday late morning, they are on west coast
>Closes dev talk 1.5 days later

Wew, glad we got some play testing in to give meaningful feedback in the dev forum

>>54282173
>his broken shit requires being inside his control range at the time
Not with your free Willbreaker, Anon. I'd probably bring a max unit of Nihilators with him just to have a nice Blur target that gums up the board, and for that free shit.

>>54287467
"We care about your feedback tho!"

>>54287423
Even if they only kill one heavy that's a decent trade for 9 points

>>54288687
It's an even trade. That's not a decent trade, you want to trade up in Warmachine.

>>54287967

Nah, you need to stay inside his control range for his feat.

>>54288963
... In what faction are you getting 9 point heavies?

>>54289027

10 point heavies, Khador and Menoth

>>54289011
That's why you bring a Boneswarm for Swarm. With a Krea nearby he can go up to DEF22 against shooting, DEF17 against melee. Naaresh can play pretty far upfront now.

>>54289110
>people are actually going to start using Bonestorms

Is this real? Am I real?

>>54289417
>PS12
>Feed him Handlers
>PS15
>Enrage
>PS17
>Rage
>PS20
>Feat
>PS23

>>54289558

first, you can't get corpse tokens off your own models with the boneswarm

second, naareshs feat affects living warbeasts only

>>54289652
Only wanted to bring it for Swarm in the first place so whatever nerd.

Is the mercs in theme bullshit going to stick?

Because the idea of running Reinholdt in Winter Guard Kommand sounds broken af.

Goodbye Spriggan, you overcosted waste of plastic.

>>54289851
>Warmachine factions get all kinds of crazy bullshit solos to bring in theme
>Hordes factions get basically nothing

>>54289851
I'm confused about themes. Isn't the idea you take a restricted list and get free points and rules because your list has some weaknesses because it's restricted? So now they're effectively mandatory because you get free models, rules, for almost nothing

>>54291054
The Skorne one is a pretty egregious fuckup honestly. Far from being restrictive, it opens up an entire other fucking faction to you, solving a lot of your faction's problems, and then it rewards you for doing so. Wanna spam beasts? It accommodates. Wanna spam infantry? It accommodates. Wanna play an actual game of Warmachine? It accommodates. I'm not seeing any reason to play anything other than this theme right now.

>>54282224
The dev talk covered him partly, they're thinking of giving him back his necklace and Hand of Fate

Anyone in the CID mind posting the art that's up?

>>54287467
You think they're going to do more Trollkin CID at lock and load or will that be Theme Forces only.

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hey guys,
I'm running a IKRPG campaign set in occupied Llael for a new group. they are heroes of the Resistance based in Merywyn.
what adventure hooks would work for them? I'm kinda blanking on ideas.

assassinating the Kommandant-Governor will be one of the main objectives of the campaign, but I want to build up for that.

help a fa/tg/uy out

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alright updated my plan, thoughts?

>>54291698
>Collecting weapons for the resistance from someone who may or may not be a kayazy.

>Seeing if it's possible to find unusual allies who might not like Khador there any more than the Llaelese (main thought is local blackclads).

>A Golden Crucible alchemist makes a chemical that is completely harmless...unless mixed with khadoran alcohol, where it becomes a deadly toxin. Find a way to get it into the khadoran supplies.

>Try to trick the Northern Crusade into attacking the khadorans for you (just have a back up plan if they start asking questions).

A few quick ones.

>>54292127
these are good. thanks.

one thing that I can't get my head around is the scale of occupying forces in Merywyn. the KNG book says it's the HQ of the 1st Army's 2nd Division, and there are about 70k soldiers stationed in all of occupied Llael, but if I count however much are said to be garrisoned at other cities, it still leaves Merywyn with 60k, which seems astronomical, and almost futile for the Resistance to try to dislodge.
I'm aware that it's mainly the Highborn Covenant that's handling military operations, but still...

>>54291698
>Stopping a Greylord led operation stripping cortexes from stockpiled Llaelese jacks, and finding a way to deliver the remaining jacks to the Resistance while the Khadorans close in.

>>54289763

>animus already in faction on a better warbeast
>no warlock synergy

Either you're honest to god retarded or that was the saddest backpeddling I've seen in a while.

>>54291698

That propaganda poster makes no sense.

>>54292317
why not?

>>54292293
>>Stopping a Greylord led operation stripping cortexes from stockpiled Llaelese jacks, and finding a way to deliver the remaining jacks to the Resistance while the Khadorans close in.

actually I thought of something like this. my idea is that they would be smuggling warjack cortexes put in laborjack chassis under the guise of a kayazy contractors coming for the rebuilding effort.

I might be combining the two somehow.

>>54292374
>why not?

It's carrying off some random Llaelese citizen. Doesn't look like a bad guy or anything so it just makes the Khadorans look like what they are: invaders.

>>54292467
it looks like a noble. llaelese had a problem with corrupt nobles. I think it represents that.

>>54292467
THIS>>54292500

The Llaellese nobility was corrupt as fuck. Hell, a major part of the reason that Khador steamrolled them so easy was that the Llaellese military was horribly under equipped and underfunded due to rampant corruption in the government.

>>54291330

Very limited warlock selection, and Brigands, while that good, aren't *that* good.

But sure you can make a whole lot of pairings out of it. But it hardly invalidates the rest of faction (although it might be strictly better than playing the Paingiver warlocks any other way).

>>54291698

Traveling across country to do reconnaissance on a Greylord installation for another faction's (ex. Cygnar, Convergence, Ret) subsequent raid. Possibilities for a favor to cash in later, a sometimes ally, or a betrayal.

Locating, hiding, and smuggling out a noble. Possibilities for a double cross to secure house assets for the resistance, instead of just sending the poof/chit on to cygnar with a properly worshipful expression and they just blow it maintaining their lifestyle in exile.

Fencing military salvage. Bonus points if its to a Koldun.

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Progress is being made it seems.

Is it generally useful to use Dirty Meg as a jack marshal for a lower-focus caster?

>>54296624
Generally, no, jack marshals in general are a hard sell. Jacks aren't nearly as useful without a steady supply of focus, you miss out on any battlegroup spells the caster might have, and you're still paying full price for a jack that's not reaching its full potential.

That said, if you like her, play her, people make good use of ranged focused jacks when they're marshaled, especially if there's a movement based drive involved.

>>54293212
Well, I think Morg2 gives up the most for this theme, and the other three warlocks had no reason to get played much at all anyways, so the theme is a big step up.

is... is Soles actually being personable this time around?

I can see why he wouldn't have been during the Grymkin CID since they were his baby and none of us like people criticising things we're proud of, but holy shit. I think this is the most agreeable I've ever seen him being.

>>54293212
Brigands become much better when you have a Juggernaut arc node to cast Mortality through. And don't forget that you get free solos for bringing those Brigands. You could bring a Taskmaster to act as another UA for them or a Willbreaker to make Mortality land.

>>54295406
People never change, you just learn more about them.

>>54287467
The dev talks only last 1 day dumbass. It's so that the playteating isn't just focused on one thing.

>>54297837

Free solos in Skorne just isn't a thing, much less an egregious thing. It's a Willbreaker, who was getting in anyway, and is effectively just sneaking the warlord into the list. For variety, maybe a master tormenter. Counter-intuitively, maybe Orin.

>>54299173
>maybe a master tormenter
No Anon don't. The PGMT is trash. Go look at Strider Deathstalkers, the Legion equivalent.

>>54297444
Im the guy who was banned for a month. Honestly I feel like kinda an asshole now.

We should all cool our jets and just relax.

>>54299459

Don't feel bad anon, if I didn't use /wmg/ for all my venting, I'd have gotten banned before I came around to him too.

>>54291330

>Wanna spam beasts? It accommodates.

But what if I don't want any of the Minion Warbeasts?

Aren't Skorne Warbeasts superior to most of whats in Minions anyway?

Plus, even though Disciplines of Agony lets you take a Minions Battle Engine, I'm not sure I want any of those over the Siege Animantarax.

Is it wrong if I laughed for a few hours after hearing about the Northkin's "Hooch Hauler"?

>>54299829
>I'm not sure I want any of those over the Siege Animantarax.

Truly the day has finally come.

>>54297444
Someone else is posting on his account. I can't imagine PP being dumb enough to actually let him get his hands on the keyboard again, so they have someone actually personable speaking for him to try and make people forget what an insufferable prick this guy is.

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>tfw someone else accomplishes what you were trying to do for months of failure

>>54301706
And here I thought this was the warjack edition

>>54299209
>>54299829
>/tg/ is bad at warmachine

between the Borkas, who is better for beast bricking? who is better for infantry? Why?
I was originally thinking that Borka1 would be better for infantry and Borka2 would be better for bricking, but taking a GK and B2 with a Hooch Hauler, Rok, and infantry doesn't seem like a bad idea. And taking B1 with a beast brick doesn't seem terrible because of his Feat and his Shroud ability allowing him to get his guys into melee

Grymkin are up at war room.

So is old Witch 2

>>54301706
Can't hack the Strahk

>>54302461
I haven't gotten the chance to test them out yet, but Mosh Pit standing up knocked down models is a really good thing if you got a bunch of infantry.
Beasts can just shake it, but infantry love not having to sacrifice an action or movement.
Also, infantry getting knockdown means you can knockdown a ton of stuff.

>>54302464
also here: http://cards.privateerpress.com/

>>54302620
see that's why I'm so torn, they can both do it but I don't know who does it BETTER.

The main thing I'm debating is how well they can deliver their army.
B1 with a GK allows you to both give concealment AND say "you can't hit me with ranged attacks," but he has to pay for the first second part. B2 has the GK snowfall as a spell that he has to pay for, but he doesn't need to rely on a GK to do it for him. B1 can also upkeep Arcane Ward on the GK or HH to keep them alive.

B1, in the instance that it happens, can make his army stand up. Which is good with infantry, but with beasts not having to force them gives them another fury to work with. B2 can't do anything like this, but he can give his battlegroup Countercharge which is pretty strong.

Feat-wise, B1 works EXTREMELY well with a beast brick as it allows him to almost guarantee the alpha. But B2 allows you to rush a zone and attrition it, OR it allows you to make an alpha rush you might not and survive it. This is doable with both a beast brick and mass infantry.

I think that running B2 on infantry would be better, and running B1 on beast brick would be better. If just because of their feats.

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>>54303263
speaking of, thoughts on these updated lists? I'm still pretty new to trolls and there isn't a troll player in my meta so I'm not sure what's good and what isn't.
I put in Janissa because of her Tectonic Shift and hill creation abilities. I took SSC because it can help defend the stone which is important. the thought process is pretty much explained in my other post; use Borka1 to get the brick up the field and then get the alpha, and use Borka2 and the GK to get the other models up the field so they can punch face. Someone else said the Raiders weren't worth taking, but I feel like their 8" AoE fire damage combined with the HH is a good idea.

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>ARM 20 Guard Dog / Shield Guard
Did PP do it? #MakeThyronGreatAgain

>>54299829
You can still take Skorne warbeasts in that theme. That's the best part, is you can mix and match.

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Looks cool

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>>54300208

And what a wonderful day it is to have the hardest hitting Battle Engine in the entire game.

>>54302461
Borka2, if the CID changes stick, is a damn fine personal beatstick and beast brick warlock. Don't forget, the Hooch Hauler's Veteran Leader will apply to Borka2 and his entire BG as well, since he makes them all Northkin. Borka2 is also probably the only Warlock at the moment who might want a Pyre Troll, which is kind of neat.

Borka1 can effectively operate with 7 Fury a turn but you need to remember that he can only really manage 5 if he doesn't camp anything, which limits his ability to run Beast bricks effectively. That being said, Borka1 is a very good Warlock imo whether you're building beast heavy, infantry heavy or combined arms, although he probably works best in the last role.

>>54303960
Keeps him more survivable in the midfield where he wants to be but denies him Silly Willy for the free upkeep which he really wants, and probably won't keep him alive vs dedicated shooting lists. On paper it looks nice but it only puts a band-aid over one of Thyron's glaring weaknesses while exacerbating another.

Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Disciples of Agony (CID)

(Morghoul 2) Lord Assassin Morghoul [+29]
- Agonizer [6]
- Archidon [10]
- Blackhide Wrastler [16]
- Blind Walker [12]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Savage [7]
Mortitheurge Willbreaker [0(4)]
Paingiver Task Master [0(3)]
Farrow Brigands (max) [15]
- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]
Farrow Brigands (max) [15]
- Farrow Brigand Warlord [4]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (max) [7]
Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Disciples of Agony (CID)

Skorne Army - 75 / 75 points
[Theme] Disciples of Agony (CID)

(Naaresh 1) Master Ascetic Naaresh [+32]
- Agonizer [6]
- Basilisk Krea [7]
- Blackhide Wrastler [16]
- Boneswarm [7]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Brute [8]
- Cyclops Savage [7]
- Cyclops Savage [7]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [0(4)]
Paingiver Bloodrunner Master Tormentor [0(4)]
Swamp Gobber Chef [1]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Nihilators (max) [15]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]
Paingiver Beast Handlers (min) [5]

This is basically Skorne right now.

>>54304454
>rescaled vanquisher cannons, no engravings or anything else ornate for the new shoulderguns
>PP expects people to pay an arm and a limb for something so poor a conversion

>>54306364

>>rescaled vanquisher cannons

That's lore accurate isn't it?

The Protectorate doesn't exactly have the time or resources like Cygnar or Khador to innovate and build entirely new weapons when rescaling an old one will suffice.

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If grymkin win at lock & load they get new solo?

>>54306464
Lore accurate or not, they could have at LEAST made the cannon muzzle somewhat more visually interesting.

>>54306464
>>54306990
I feel like PP's not concerned about the lore these days, what with making shit like Eilish.

>>54306945
Yep.

You know, my least favorite part of Grymkin fluff is making Menoth look like an impulsive retard instead of a LN divine totalitarian.
>well I can have this narcoleptic snowflake, depressed NEET, little girl, or fedora tipper disagreeing with me, so I guess instead of measured corporeal punishment for their "transgressions" I have to throw them into SuperHell so they soak up their own nightmares and get sweet edgy spookpowers and take over because I'm not actually doing anything to restrain their souls
>gee, I sure hope nobody ever opens a gateway into Urcaen

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>>54307445
>written by Soles

>>54300047
Yes, it is wrong. You should be deeply ashamed.

Go away.

>>54307445
To be honest, I think there's more to the Grymkin than that. I'm willing to bet the five of them did a lot more than just piss in Menoth's face to warrant that shit.

Especially since the twins both became gods themselves and didn't get fucked up for it.

Devastation abridged: http://pastebin.com/KxkzfnXj

For the General pasta

>>54307445
I think that has more to do with it being from the perspective of the Defiers, and they've been stated by the Devs to be very unreliable narrators. I hope that's what it is anyway.

>>54308140
>Heh, then I told them that the reason the fluff has consistency problems is because the characters themselves are bad narrators ;^)

>>54305471

I play a Pyre in Ragnor every time.

Borka 2 is ok right. He can 'kind of' beast brick right now but Fury 5 and Ctrl 10.

>>54307445
Thats because he is one. One would think hes insecure about his followers with the protectorate being raging dicks and all.

>Dat feel when you personally know two Menoth players that are submitting Troll feedback right now
>And it's based entirely on games they've played against them
>Over 6 months ago

CID is kind of a joke isn't it?

>>54306945
Grymkin holden is a fucking demon.

He can inflict UNSTABLE on collosals!

Are the steamroller 2017 rules out somewhere? I see people on cid playing with them but are they just using the week 3 beta?

>>54309260
PoM being raging dicks has more to do with current politics than it does with Menoth.

It's honestly quite possible that Menoth doesn't give a single shit about the PoM's crusades

>>54309367
Eh, if people submit bullshit, other players usually call them out on it.

Besides that, how are they submitting feedback on shit that is in the CID if their experiences are 6 months old?

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>>54309400
Is there anything in faction that can give that guy extra attacks? Because blowing up 2 colossals in one round would be hilarity.

>>54308861
At least in CID Borka2 is much more survivable than he was before so he can play farther forward than before. Attuned spirit helps him be functional and camp as well.

>>54309506
To me it makes perfect sense. He is a being if pure law. Laws in his mind to keep his flock safe, and to grow them in proper numbers for the divine wars.

It takes MAJOR nads to defy a god, and its very old testament to just say fuck it and send them all to hell.

>>54309613
Nope, but i find their arcana that turns everything in control range living (as in loose undead, incorporeal, and construct) to be a very neat mechanical example of them for instance.

>>54309788
That's the thing though, Menoth doesn't really subscribe to the flock mentality.

He's a big picture god, more worried about running the world and fighting the Wurm then he is trying to deal with humans. So long as they worship him as their creator and don't work with the Wurm, he's got no issues(Morrowans do this, by the way. Morrowan churches usually have some shrine or other offering to Menoth as the creator of man).

No, the Crusades are because Menites have spent the last couple of centuries doing all sorts of shit to make everyone hate their church, so they got pissed off and started trying to force people to convert.

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>>54309367
>thinking CID feedback is actually taken

>>54308133
Wow that only took 3+ years

Anything for Cryx w/ all the locking and loading thats going on? I need that hot Denny on Gaspy action

>>54310585
It's been around forever, I just refound the link.

Is the Skorne Theme limited to Gatorbeasts?

Because I think it's pretty weird that no one is writing Titan lists with access to Primal. I don't even want to know what a Bronzeback with Primal can do to something.

>>54310851

It can spend a turn doing fuck all.

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One of the CoI box solos. Seems about as meh as it gets. At least the model is crap too.

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>>54311201

>>54309529
>Besides that, how are they submitting feedback on shit that is in the CID if their experiences are 6 months old?

That's kind of the point skippy

>>54311550
I mean, how are they submitting feedback that they think anyone is going to pay attention to?

>>54310851
The issue with Titans is that if you remove Rush, most of them have some pretty shitty threat ranges.

And a BB is better with Rage, what with that base MAT7

On the reverse end, a War Hog is SPD5 and gets to POW23, where a BB gets to 22.

>>54309506
>It's honestly quite possible that Menoth doesn't give a single shit about the PoM's crusades

Well he certainly seems to be giving a lot of support, what with Harby and the Avatar.

>>54311727
Sure, but he gives support to all that worship him. And the Avatar and Harby both actually tend to do their own thing.

>>54310269
Considering Grymkin barely changed from the last inputs of the last week of CID, that's evidence that it is.

>>54313259
Actually they made the old witch a bit better in response to complaints on the last week.

Also the gun carriage tge way it is now is almost purely a player input creation.

>>54312146
Point is imagine your Menoth.

You create man as your weapon against the devourer. You could have made them automatons, but free will makes stronger souls in urcaen.

So you go back there and fight the devourer wurm.

Your curiousity gets the better of you, and despite the extreme risk you leave the fighting to your army and descend to earth to check up on your guys.

Damn thier doing shit and the devourer is kicking their ass.

So you grant them the tools and knowledge to overcome and prosper.

Then That Guy just has to pop up and says:

"Divine tools of justice? Thanks we dont want any"

What.

"Your society sounds cool and all but I feel more like slepin ok?"

"Do you have any idea how important every soul is?"

"Yeah well I just dont feel like it"

Then you realise that they have bearly awakened their divine sparks. What will happen if more people follow in their footsteps? The war effort will be all but forgotten!

So yeah you damn them to hell, an ultra hell and throw away the key, gaurded by powerful monstrocities.

Its not nice, but niether is death for treason, we have a war here and just leaving them be could have untold consequences.

Thats my view of it anyway.

>>54314143
>Then you realise that they have bearly awakened their divine sparks.

But Menoth is afraid of precisely that. He does not want every human to reach their full potential, because then every human will turn out like the Twins and may not be so interested in fighting the Wurm.

>>54314173
No thats my point. That tgeir sparks where beggining to awaken so he shunted them off to double hell before they became unmanageable.

TFW Can build a Northkin list without instantly adding Hooch Hauler and Double Bears.
TFW Long Riders still 1" Melee

>>54311571
What do you not understand about this?

>>54315907
He means that if they're referencing a six month old game, it won't involve any of the new models, themes or changes introduced in CID, so it's basically pointless chatter that will get ignored.

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Is this reasonable? My store is pretty off-meta, so lots of circle without Wurmwood, lots of Cryx without Ghost Fleet and Minions.

In other words, lots of annoying infantry. Satyxis, Trencher Commandos, Ravagers, etc

>>54314143
>Point is imagine your Menoth.
My Menoth what?

>>54316768
This is my Menoth. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

>>54277199
Hello WMG. Wargames General is a tg spawned discord focusing on miniature games. We'd love to have you all, not just because one of our mods just bought a Retribution of Scyrah starter set!* But because we're sure you're lovely!

*this is exactly the reason

https://discord.gg/3VyfGRz

>>54317624
We already have a Discord here:
https://discord.gg/KmXzbwD

>>54317624
We're not loveely and you do not want us.

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>>54320364
>Flight
Wat?

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>>54320399
Boi im creamin

>>54320364
>>54320408
Vyre Lights?

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>>54320364
>>54320408
OH LORD, IT'S HAPPENING
PRAISE UNTO FOURSHADE

>>54320568
Vyre theme soon?
Time to buy two packs of Electromancers for reasons

New faction is gonna be Crucible Guard

>>54320946
Whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.

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>>54321004
Sort of Llaelese Alchemist army

>>54321039
iirc the Golden Crucible moved to Ord. Does it state anywhere that they went back to Llael?

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TROLLBLOODS ARE FINALLY GETTING A NEW HEAVY
IT'S A MIRACLE

>>54321461
Not only is it a new heavy, it has TWO reach attacks!

>>54321461
>Mat 6

I don't believe you. You're photoshopping these somehow.

>>54321489
What's so strange about that? Every other Dire Troll is Mat 6.

>>54321526
Sorry, didn't read Dire Troll.

>>54321461
Cephalyx on suicide watch

>>54320946
Why would they speak with Khadoran(fake Russian) accent though?

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Can anyone think of a good reason Khador would have a Man O War manning an artillery piece over the Winter Guard?

Or is this some really short range artillery where the operator needs that extra protection from small arms fire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2IwzOneJuM&feature=share

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...
Okay this is a bit ridiculous

>>54321967
The gun ammo looks suspiciously similar to that of a Destroyer but the barrel is clearly not a Bombard. We might be looking at something like a cheap alternative to the WGBE points-wise that has less durability and game impact, kind of like a BE Light. It also slots into a MOW theme force.

Overall though it looks lame as far as a MOW BE goes. They should have just made it a giant walker a bit smaller than a Conquest.

>>54321967
Maybe once it dies, the Man-O-War jumps onto a horse and becomes a Drakhun. And after that one dies, he becomes a Man-O-War on foot.

>>54322053

>a giant walker a bit smaller than a Conquest.

That's what I was expecting to be honest.

More fire support is always a good thing though.

>>54322099

That would be hilarious.

>>54321977
>Eminent Configurator Orion
>was originally featured in High Command
>people called it back then that he would eventually be a new Convergence warcaster
>some retarded motherfuckers actually thought PP wouldn't release him

>>54322047

I wonder if that is a piece of the Atramentous.

>>54321461
going by the looks of its legs, new Dire Troll chassis maybe?

>>54322247
You mean we might get a plastic dire troll sculpt WITHOUT crazy tiny legs?
If only

>>54322272

To be honest, I was wondering why most of the beasts and jacks in the game have legs way smaller than their arms.

Any new Rhulic stuff?

Any new Pirate or Cephalyx stuff?

>>54320946
So is Crucible Guard the faction itself, or is it a theme in a Llaelese faction?

>>54321448
Golden Crucible did move to Ord when their HQ was taken over by now deceased Severius. And I guess the northern crusade is getting recalled back to the protectorate to deal with the Skorne dicking they're getting, so they might be clear to get back in to business.

>>54323199
Lots of Cryx pirates!

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>>54322192
> no new CoC stuff for like 5 years
> people expecting to still be playing a dead faction / game

New theme stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mZLbyizm40

>>54323527
I'm really digging the idea of running a living Cryx army.

>>54323527
Ogrun cavalry. Fuck yeah! New character beast is also neat.

>>54323527
>ogryn mystic

Nigger what?

>>54323527
Glad to see the 3 year wait for new Legion stuff was just a rumor.

Really the design and idea being Golab of an existing creature blighted into a warbeast. Would really like to see more of that in the future.

>>54323839
PP's been really going crazy with the idea of mystics/shamans with their new releases.

>>54323892
Yeah but ogryn are specifically unable to use magic unless they get Everblighted. The video implied that she was a mystic before that, though.

>>54323527
Did someone at PP start playing Cryx or why are they getting so much stuff lately?

>>54323927
The Unleashed supplement 'Wild Adventure' gave the non-magical Dhunian races a paladin-esque career that gave buffs tied to the seasons. Could be something like that, or a priestess of Dhunia without any actual magic.

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>>54323527
Order of the Golden Crucible. We tanks now.

>>54324024
Looked and sounded more like Man o' Wars to me anon.

>>54323527
Holy shit, Gators are getting an ass-blasting load of great shit.

Minions getting gargantuans? Wasn't this a meme back in the days?

>>54324059
Been in Ik for years and have been rumored for three years.

>>54324059
>Holy shit, Skorne are getting an ass-blasting load of great shit.
>Skorne getting another gargantuan? Wasn't this a meme back in the days?

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>>54322272
> WITHOUT crazy tiny legs?
Doesn't seem that way.

He looks extra goofy. His hands are way too big and his head is disproportionatley big as well.

Man, Troll models are hit or miss. I love things like the old metal bouncer, Gunnbjorn and Fennblades. Then you get extra goofy stuff like this and the Night Troll.

Oh well, at least his head-spines aren't cut off by a stupid collar. A shame the concept art can't match the model.

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What is this?

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>>54323839
>>54323927
PP DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE LORE

>>54324296
Pretty sure it's the bonegrindery stuff of magic.

The kind that Ogrun could do before. Not just arcana, but "Spirits" and "Wilds" and shit.

>>54324131
Crucible Guard, new mercenary subfaction like the Cephalyx. Part of the Order of the Golden Crucible.

>>54322214
No that is regrave's ship iirc

>>54324131
>>54324462
>write up D&D setting that had an industrial revolution and is now stuck in endless WW1
>replace tanks with giant semi-sentient robots for armored forces with a fantasy twist
>14 years later they start giving dudes regular tanks
What did they mean by this

>>54324131

There could be legs under that dust.

>>54322047
at last !

That's two things I predicted (aka wanted and cried for)
skarre3 on a part of her ship
menoth dragoon paladin

>>54324775
I want a Menite paladin unit. As-is, paladins are p good but suffer from all being solos.

>>54325801
It would be cool to be able to field an actual good guy Menoth force.

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>>54324039

I think they just use the Man O Wars out as exemplifying the menace of Khador they go to war against.

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>it finally happened :)
>there's no Skorne Forums to celebrate on :(

You suck, /wmg/. I don't care if I make any of you happy.

>>54326464

I wonder how well he will work out in the Winds theme.

>Holden is Grymkin now

truly, why live.

>>54326504
Did they announce that already?

>>54326504
>"PLEASE BUY OUR MODELS I DON'T CARE WHAT FACTION YOU PLAY JUST BUY THEM THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE MY CAR" - Jason Soles

>>54326504
rip colossals.

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Gender swap potions confirmed real in Iron Kingdoms.

>>54326504

Well, at least he's laughable to Cephlyx and Convergeance

I havent played hordemachin in like 7 years. is Estryker still god or has the game gone to shit?

>>54326464
Didn't they deny rumors of a Venator warlock?

>>54326738
How does Convergence ignore him?

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>>54326794
Stryker2 is still a beast, he also has a new buddy who cooks him up some gourmet Llaelese post-occupation cuisine to heal him back up after he overloads.

>>54326819
Privateer Press always lies.
>muh three years playtest
>muh theme books
>muh "never invalidating purchases"

>>54326851
>never invalidating purchases

Which purchases have been invalidated?

>>54326831

They do not and I was in error.

>>54326862
I know a guy who bought ten Arcanist Mechaniks in Mk2 for Force Wall.
HAIL HYDRA

>>54326862
theme forces back in the day used to change up the FA of models included, so people who played those are now left with tons of models they can't use. Also PP is in the business of releasing new models that are just strictly better versions of existing models, as seen with the Long Gunner v. *Trencher* Long Gunner release, and the upcoming Troll Impaler v. *Ice* Troll Impaler.

>>54326913
>Also PP is in the business of releasing new models that are just strictly better versions of existing models, as seen with the Long Gunner v. *Trencher* Long Gunner release, and the upcoming Troll Impaler v. *Ice* Troll Impaler.

Just because something is not an optimal choice does not mean your purchase is invalidated. As for the FA thing, a lot of models got increased FAs in the edition change to account for that very fact.

>>54326464
That is a warcaster tier spell list. He's already too good to be true.

>>54327124
I think they said none of the Skorne stuff is going through CID too...

>>54327142
What? Those 13 models are the next CID.

I am not sure how to feel about MOW with shotgun/machine gun fists.

>>54327663
I always liked the idea that Llael was on the verge of a French Revolution, but got beaten to the punch when Khador attacked.

This place is dead

>>54327886
Waiting for the painting stream to see if there are any new spoilers.

>>54327886
This game is dead.

>>54326862
The Vanguards I used in Zerkova1's Hunting Wolves theme force.

>>54328909
Can still be taken in merc lists. Or mashalled to merc jack marshals.

Holden the Hollowed
>Grymkin Model
Spd 7, Str 4, Mat 5, Rat 7, Def 15, Arm 13, Cmd 7
Damage boxes 5
PC: 4
FA: C
Small Base

Apparition
Prowl
Sacrifician Pawn [Hollowmen]

>Trench Knife
Rng 0.5", Pow 3, PS 7

>Hunting Rifle
Rng 14, Rof 1, Pow 10, Damage Type: Magical, Attack Type: Deadly Shot, Inflict Pain, Uncanny Precision (warjack hit gains unstable and cannot be used to channel spells)

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>>54328976
>4 points gets you 23" threat with RAT 7 Deadly/Uncanny

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Hey another Skorne theme

>>54326862
my four units of Arcane Tempest Gun Mages for Caine1's old Sons of the Tempest

>>54329290

Oh great. More free solos, so they can dudespam even harder.

>I'm happy for them actually.
>But seriously, shit.
>And Death Rage had better not synergize with Last Stand.

>>54329536
It doesn't, Last Stand skips straight to destroyed.

>>54326980
If you want to have a fair game, you can only take optimal choices. With power creep, balance is only achieved if you own every model.

I agree that trencher long gunners are a blatant cash grab...

>>54327685
Robespierre Mercenary caster sounds super cool. With a giant mechanika sword made out of a guillotine.

>>54330171
Or we could go full Reznik and he straight up guillotines people in the middle of battle.

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I know very little about this game, picked this up on clearance.

Apparently this is meant for display more than actual playing, that true?

>>54330989
Not necessarily. It's an alternative sculpt for the Titan Gladiator, which is an okay Skorne beast. It's just rather impractical in some play situations due to its sheer size, so you might have to proxy it occasionally.

>>54331013
Hmm, alright.

To be honest it's the only Warmahordes stuff I own, so I might give it a go as my first proper display only piece.

>>54330989
Gladiators are a decent Skorne beast but often kind of mandatory due to having an inherent spd buff animus in a faction where everything is slow. Its easy to sell, or would be a nice model to own if you ever started playing.

Its unfortunately huge as fuck and Skorne models are known for overhang, meaning you may need to proxy it during in game interactions. It'd make a fine display piece otherwise if you wish to show off your painting talents.

>>54331081
People aren't even playing Gladiators these days it seems. Titans overall are very weak beasts to the point where people are playing more Cyclops.

>>54331773
Titans are strong by beast standards, but not by jack standards. And that is what they would be up against.

>>54331773
Citation? Because the average rule of thumb is that /tg/ sucks at warmachine.

>>54331792
Well take a look at any Skorne list. The only heavies theere are Archidons and Despoiler.

>>54331824
Well, I looked at a Skorne list made by "Ahny Bodie", right inside of "Every Pizza Place" Pizza last Tuesday at "The Average Mall" Mall.

And it was utterly incorrect. Nothing but Titans. Just take a look at "Any" skorne list for a confirmation!

>>54331853
Well your imaginary friend is free to play shitty lists I guess. Now look at lists that good players play and you'll see a different picture.

I think that the new release way of PP are exaclty the release way of Codex of GW.

I don't think a game like Warmachine can handle the fact that 3 Faction gets new shiny toy each year plus a Theme Force while the rest remain behind.

I am selling my 600+ € Circle for 250 €.

Just hope someone will buy it.

>>54329290

So what do Skornes think of this? Looks sparse.

>>54332369
15 free points is okay. Will see play.

>>54331914
>Make statement backed by nothing
>Mock said statement
>Still provide no evidence

Whatever. Its a well known fact that TG is shit at warmachine.

>>54332067

They are aiming essentially to circularly cover every faction in order. That includes circle. I believe its getting more focus on its wold theme force this year.

So its still releases for every faction every year.

>>54332795
>Hurr please spoonfeed me
I have nothing to prove to you shithead. Look stuff up for yourself. The most prominent example for you are the Nordish Masters in Germany and the ETC in the UK.

Now apply youself you lazy fuck.

>>54332795
>They are aiming essentially to circularly cover every faction in order. That includes circle. I believe its getting more focus on its wold theme force this year.

From keynote I understand that there are 4 big release wave coming : Skorne, Legion, Minion and Cryx.

Other Faction will just have one Christmas release.

Am I wrong ?

>>54332067
But they don't release actual books and the actual rules will all be free. Are you a retard by chance?

>>54326862
surely all the idiots that spammed stuff in the old theme forces deserved to get burned.

What kind of cunt goes out and buys FA+x units just so they can "win" at a game?

I laughed when they nerfed croak raiders and I continue to enjoy sipping on the overflowing sweet salty tears of all the power gaming twats.

>>54332866
>people were having the wrong kind of fun so it's good PP fucked them over
You're a fun guy.

>>54332843
I believe so. They are kinda under allot of pressure at the moment so they couldn't spoil everything.

Circle is happening later, which is why they didn't have preview pics, but its still happening just a bit later.

I don't even think the Minions, and Legion release are even the firster ones in order.

I do agree that this release shedule is less balanced then before, but the amount of releases everybody should get by years end (As in years end when they started this model) should be about the same.

It's so that CID has time to balance them all individually with their own month or so with time for a cooldown.

Cryx was an exception because it was apparently their "Test" faction to see if people could be objective.

>>54332936
Repeated no win situation:

>Don't Nerf
"PP SUPPORTS SPAM THOSE FUCKERS!"
>Spam
"PP FUCKING LOVES INVALIDATING CHOICES THOSE FUCKERS"
>Don't do public playtests
"PP IS FUCKING INCOMPETENT"
>Do Public playtests
"PP IS FUCKING INCOMPETENT"
>Support a Faction
"FUCK YOU PP YOU DON'T LOVE ME"
>Don't support a faction
"FUCK YOU PP YOU DON'T LOVE ME"

Geez, this fan base is really tense.

>>54332994
I'm not even sure what you are saying here. Please try again with more English and less greentext. Thank you.

>>54333005
If they had a model too good and it caused spam People would blame PP for causing spam

If they nerfed it, people would call them assholes for invalidating their choices.

>>54333023
Yeah it's a really bad situation and there's no clear best choice here. That's not my point though. My point is that you are a spiteful cunt.

>>54311201
>>54311217
We'll have to see what kind of Commander abilities CoI comes with that may change her.

>>54332936
Yeah i know right :D

>>54333034
yeah but that was him, not me.
I'm the spiteful one.

PP is in a bad place it seems. Because although CID is a good idea, it feels now like the game is unfinished.

And wow that mk3 launch, so much fail.
on the contrary GW have a shit game, but had a succesful launch.
i hate the world sometimes.

>>54333159
I think they have literal demons working in the marketting department.

>>54333159
GW could release WH40k-themed rocks and they'd sell like crazy. PP doesn't have that luxury and have to be incredibly careful. I'd say I wish they weren't so comically incompetent at communication, but that keynote was one giant step in the right direction.

>>54330032
Except the whole point of theme force releases is to take alternate versions of things. In PPs vision of the game TLG and LG don't compete cause they're not in the same theme forces.

>>54332848
Are you simple? The problem is that factions aren't getting equal attention like in the past.

>>54333159
>Because although CID is a good idea,

I disagree. It causes confusion in the community, the loudest voices and sperge lords are helping shape the game.

I personally know 2 guys that don't even play Trolls, that are currently helping in the CID based off play experienced against them...from months ago. They're able to form complete sentences and sound plausible too, so even though someone will reply "The Devs know!!!11!"...they really fucking don't. They're a small shop.

They're so fucking small Pagani had to stop the CID momentarily to help setup tables for LnL. So yeah, I don't have high hopes.

>>54333670
Given how large the game has become, in terms of the sheer number of models and factions, giving everyone equal favour isn't going to be viable any more. Look at Mk3's release - trying to playtest and balance every permutation of every faction was obviously too much for PP to handle. Concentrating on new releases for a few factions, with CID cycles to help keep things balanced, is a reasonable alternative.

Also I'm hype as fuck for the Cryx living pirate theme, especially since Axiara is finally getting a model. We can only hope for new Satyxis Raider sculpts as well.

>>54333207
>GW could release WH40k-themed rocks and they'd sell like crazy

GW has rich fluff, historically good writers for their novels. That's why.

PP has Denny giving blow jobs to trenchers.

>>54332648
Zaal2 3 units of immortals is already a tournament viable top 3 list. Giving it 15 free points will make it a top 10 list in the game

>>54333744
Pagani and Hungerford seem like good guys trying to pick up the pieces...

>>54333763
GW has rich fluff and good writers?
>you confirmed to be retarded

>>54333763
>GW has rich fluff

Which they're doing their absolute best to ruin lately.

>>54333763
>GW has rich fluff, historically good writers for their novels. That's why.
They reaaaaaaaaallly don't.

Only spergs that already like 40K like the novels.

>>54333744
>I personally know 2 guys that don't even play Trolls, that are currently helping in the CID based off play experienced against them...from months ago.

You already mentioned that. I haven't seen a singular menoth POV battle report. In the CID. The things PP cares most about.

Im just wondering how they could complain or make a battle report based on data that could not exist months ago because at the moment new stuff is being tested.

Are they just farting around the theory thread and demanding nerfs?

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>>54333751
?

>>54333989
OH FUCK, I must have missed that. Thank you very much!

>>54334020
No problem, I can't imagine anything more fun than having to play against more Satyxis players.

:|

>>54333989
Fucking yes.
Now I don't have to but those sisters of slaughter to convert.

Hopefully they're less than $50.

>>54333744
>They're so fucking small Pagani had to stop the CID momentarily to help setup tables for LnL.
What the literal fuck are you talking about? They ended a Dev Talk, sure, but that was right about when it was going to end anyway. The CID cycle is still on going through lock & load and doesn't require active PP presence 100% of the time.

I honestly don't think you've actually looked at how the CID stuff is ran and read some of the battle reports in it. Everything you're saying sounds like someone spouting off secondhand knowledge like its gospel.

>>54333763
>GW has rich fluff, historically good writers for their novels.
If I wanted to read Dune with all the interesting bits replaced with Space Marines... Oh wait, I fucking don't. I'll just read the original.

>>54327663
>there ancestral lands
REEEEEE

>>54333744
We have one release wave from CID (Battle Engines and Thralls) so far. Or two in fact sincee Grymkin released. I haven't looked at the latter, but the former turned out extremely well. That is a very good sign for CID, so I am very hopeful on that front.

>>54334100
I have a sizable Infernal Machines-style Cryx army as well. Banes and Revenants don't do much for me, but the Satyxis and Thralls were what got me into the game.

>>54335320
Grymkin are OP as fuck.

>>54336970
What makes you say that? They are strong definitely and the Child has some very strong combos...But doesn't seem unbeatable.

>>54336970
They're very "king of the sandbox" style. They have a ton of gotchas and can sometimes feel oppressive, but they really are fairly balanced and not at all OP.

>>54337485
Those are not gotchas. You can't counter them in any way.

>>54337625
Like?

>>54337625
...You do realize you don't have to trigger Arcana right? You have a choice.

I don't get PP. Impaler sucks. They release the ice troll, which is essentially the same, but cheaper and situationally better. Cool. But it's still shit because it has the major drawback of impaler - a single low pow medium range attack that needs boosting.

>>54338952
it's buffed by both strength buffs and the new stone buffs. The Ice Troll's ranged attack can get up to a pretty high pow

>>54339306
>new stone buffs
I thought the elder just got +d3 Fury every turn added.

>>54339719
The STONE got a star action to get 1d3 fury
There's also a new Stone attachment which gives a bunch of buffs to northkin

>>54338952
Its actually pretty high POW with traditional Troll Stacking.

The Elder Ice Boosting aura gives +2 Damage, then you can stack +3 more from rage and the like. Bam your low pow now can smash warjacks.

>>54340812
>>54340812
NEW THREAD
DRAC DON'T FUCKING PLAY