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NOW WITH A MOUNTAIN KING I CAN LIVE OUT MY FANTASY OF PLAYING KING KONG VS GODZILLA

I'm very curious as to what the MOW theme force will be in practice.

And I knew the MOW battle engine would just be more horses, but its unimpressive even for that. That gun better be magic.

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>>54341167

I assumed it would be a lot of high strength melee, some blasts of varying sizes and units with quite a few impact attacks.

Maybe a little magic if you throw in the Forge Seers.

What warjack goes best with Man O War anyway?

I was thinking you could have a Kovnik jack marshal a Demolisher that the other Man O War could move up with.

>>54341314
It would feel really uninspired if it was EXACTLY like the Gun carriage again in terms of melee prowess.

And unless those horses get to attack like 4 times with Pow 16 at least each melee is not going to be impressive.

And by magic I meant "Interesting"

>>54341314

...why does that need a man of war?

>>54341487
for when feet get tired of walking

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>>54341487

I assume it's getting so close to the action that the operator benefits from that protection.

Or that the gun is so difficult to fire that it needs enhanced strength.

The shells might also be to heavy for a regular Winter Guardsmen to load quickly and effectively as a Man-O-War could.

Plus, it might be like the Drakhun where the operator is expected to dismount and fight should their engine and steeds be wrecked.

>>54341487
Maybe the recoil of the gun is so brutal a regular solder would get pulped?

>>54341575

>I assume it's getting so close to the action that the operator benefits from that protection.

Maybe. It feels like they could just...enclose it like the gun carriage if they wanted that. I'm likely overthinking this but I feel like there was much easier ways to get the same effect without 'Put a risky power armour that hampers dexterity on the guy so the horses also need to drag that along'.

>>54341762

It really says something that the recoil is bad when it looks like it has struts at the rear for reducing that.

Though to be fair, those could just be for steadying the weapon when it's in operation.

>>54341801

Would they still be able to aims as effectively with an enclosed gun carriage?

Also, the Siege Chariot might be quicker given it doesn't have the added weight of enclosure, like the Gun Carriage.

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hey how does this Elara list look?

>>54339893
Not how that works. The +2 str is warrior models only and Rage is Warbeasts only.

>>54342588
No, he has +power for ice damage
Which the Ice Troll's range attack does

>>54342588
>>54342640
Northkin Elder 10 FONT
Trollblood Trollkin Command Attachment
ELDER
SPD STR MAT RAT DEF ARM CMD
5 6 5 4 12 13 8
FA: 1
Point Cost: 4
Base Size: Medium
Damage: 5
Attachment [Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes] - This attachment can be added to a Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribe unit.
ELDER
Eyeless Sight
Immunity: Cold
Officer
Tough
Stone Warp - This model can use one of the following effects each turn at any time during its unit’s activation:
•Stone Cold - While within the area affected by this unit’s Protective Aura, friendly Northkin warrior models gain +2 STR.
Stone Cold lasts for one round.
•Wild Winds - This unit and friendly Northkin models activating within the area affected by this unit’s Protective Aura
gain +1 SPD. Wild Winds lasts for one turn.
•Winter Magic - When a friendly model makes a cold damage roll XICONX while within the area affected by this unit’s
Protective Aura, add +2 to the roll. Winter Magic lasts for one turn.
Tactics: Northkin - Models in this models unit are Northkin models and gain Immunity: Cold XICONX.


Tactical Tip
Stone Warp — These effects are in addition to the effects of Protective Aura.

>>54341314
>>54341575

Was it just me or I also thought khador was gettin a man'o'war warcaster as well.

>>54342823
sorcha3, the woman in the iron mask.

>>54342823
People thought the teased IF solo was going to be one. Im fairly certain at this point that PP thinks a MOW warcaster would be OP.

>>54342640
Ah, fair enough. I'd completely forgotten that that was the third ability.

When running an Immortal army, would Extollers and Guardians get in the way of one another as far as soul collecting goes?

I was one of the six people to play Company of Iron at Lock and Load before anyone else.

Ask me anything.

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>>54346744
Does everybody get new models to go with the solos I hear everybody's getting, or just the starter box?
Does Ret have a named Scyir character in the works?
Was it fun?

>>54346744
How's it play, compared to say Shadow War?
Does everyone have 1 wound?

Hey Skorne folks, another theme on the way
https://twitter.com/ChainAttackJay/status/886389188878229504

>>54346744
What other game it plays like?

>>54346744
What is the level of customization? What cards are available?

What was a sample scenario?

>>54346929
>Storm Lances clear the zone and win the game against Cryx
Wow totally unusual factions and result there.

I'm really wish PP would get past the giant-cannons-and-armor thing with Khador and start expanding another side if them.

Kossites, Greylord, Doom Reavers, Widowmakers etc are all things but PP just want to make more giant guns.

>>54348735
A Greylord theme is apparently coming, and in the fluff the greylords may soon have access to a corrupted version of a formula that makes warcasters (And turns most other people into monsters).

So the whole "Dark Experiments" angle of Khador is also coming.

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>>54348735
>try not to cry
>cry a lot

>>54346475

Not really, no. Soul Collection caps at three, Extollers can't really use more than two, and once people start killing Immortals they tend to kill a whole lot of them since they're a Vengeance unit.

>>54346744

Can models survive in the open?

>>54346475
>>54350027
And if you play one of the Zaals you get to choose where the souls go to.

>70% of the undefeated at LnL Masters were Cryx and Cygnar

Go figure. A gunline faction and a faction that now has hard answers for Gunlines.

What a game.

>>54350344

*Skorne* has hard answers for gunlines, anon. I'd say going into this at least somewhat is just how much in-faction experience upper-tier players have with those guys.

>>54350344
Circle skullfucks Cryx, Khador stomps Circle and Cryx beats Khador.

And Cygnar is ayy lmao

>>54350394
>*Skorne*

I'm going to call this the Agonizer Law. For every X posts in a Warmahordes thread, there must be at least X posts that somehow turn the discussion to Skorne. Example;

"I like to have sex with my sister"
turns into
"...I'd like to have sex with my sister, except if she was Makeda 3 because she doesn't have a good theme and is too weak"

>>54350413
>Circle skullfucks Cryx, Khador stomps Circle and Cryx beats Khador.
If only the game was so simple. Would save me about 2h per match.

>>54350413

The results of reality seem to differ with your expectations.

The IG finals were H2 Cygnar with Storm Lances against Lich 2 cloud Cryx.

Wew, thought we had a new edition.

>>54350422
Not the Agonizer Axiom or the Paingiver Paradigm?

>>54350394
But nobody in the US plays Skorne.

>>54350464
>Agonizer Axiom

I like that, I'm going with it

I factually don't get what the ghost fleet problem is about, ghost fleet is so easy to tech against.

Satyxis however? Fuck them. They are literally unkillable for my faction and themes.

>>54350770
What faction has an easy game into GF but not Satyxis???

>>54350838

Anything with traditional massive, stupid-huge, don't-give-them-even-half-a-chance amounts of infantry hate. Satyxis ignore most of that, Ghost Fleet doesn't and squeaks by on recursion and trusting to lack of rfp or that enemy infantry-hate if present isn't enough to overwhelm it.

Anon is right about ghost fleet. People just up and forgot to infantry-hate until it came along in the meta. It was a happy time, now passing...

>>54350838
Explain to me how Khador deals with Satyxis Raiders at all. RAT 7 14" shooting is not good enough against something that engages on 16".

Things Satyxis do in the matchup:
- Not get shot. Like at all.
- Out-threat everything that isn't cavalry
- Get around DEF skew infantry with gang
- Get around high Arm infantry with chain weapon
- Rip apart heavies and threaten their battlegroup controllers with only one debuff.

Ghost Fleet is a dead meme, just Swap Vlad1 for Sorscha2 or run some Kayazy Elims in your Butcher3 squad. Even if you don't, if you have a way to get rid of the ghosts (objective usually), the average Winter Guard list can out-gun the recursion.

>>54351052
Move 2 inches?
Kodiak clouds?

>>54351468
Move 2" and casually roll 11s? Use a jack that explodes once they charge it?

>>54351508
Do you know what a Kodiak is?

>>54351559
ARM 15 SPD 2?

Is PP gonna be at Gencon at all this year? Will we get a Ram model next month?

>>54348760

The Grey Lords really remind me of the Nazis from the Wolfenstein series in how far they're willing to go in their arcane pursuits.

>>54352414
Khador is like the USSR and Nasis in one package.

They represent a bad guy thats well organized and nationalistic.

>>54352461
>USSR and Nasis
Prussia and Tsarist Russia.

Someone mind explaining to me what the new faction is about? Also are they seriously going to get tanks?

>>54352507
PRIVATEER PRESS DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE LORE

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>>54352461

>well organized

Which has me wondering, is that the reason they were able to fight so many enemies at once while keeping their momentum?

The fact they were able to hold down their half of occupied Llael and keep the upper hand against Cygnar till Cryx started rearing it's head and Northguard happened is impressive.

I think even after the Sul-Caspia conflict when Cygnar was rushing troops into the Thornwood to deal with Khador, they were still advancing.

Since I believe Cygnar has a higher population and possibly the (slightly?) larger army and definitely the larger Warjack force, that really says something.

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>>54352507
>>54352551

They may not be tanks.

They may be something like this.

Though I don't know, this is practically a tank too.

>>54352581
I think it was more they focused their entire attention on the Southern Front with Llael, Menoth, Cygnar, and Cryx; treating that as one front and one enemy. They basically ignored the threats from Everblight and Retribution, since they were so small time, and even actively pulled troops away from Northern garrisons to feed into the meatgrinder that is industrial war.

What's the best way to use stat cards? I'm on the fence if I should just get the war room app and drop the money on the decks or just print out the cards for what I need. I don't know how I feel using my phone for hours on this game only to have it die in the middle of a game. Seems like printing them out is the best choice.

>>54352507
You mean the Crucible Guard? They're the militant arm of the Order of the Golden Crucible. The Order of the Golden Crucible was a guild of alchemists and inventors centered in Llaell. They were very influential in Immorese technological innovation. During the invasion of Llaell, many of the Crucible's holdings in the country were attacked and looted by Khadoran forces in order to steal their technological secrets, and many of their members were forced to relocate outside the country.

Apparently, they've held a grudge.

>>54352636
Warroom or print.

>>54352629

In the case of Everblight, Khador also had the benefit of them menacing their enemies in the Kriel Trolls too didn't they?

>>54352713
In general Khador fights with much more a WWI-WWII mentality whilst Cygnar fights with a modern mentality.

Khador Fights with: Fuck casualties if we win the war.
Cygnar Fights with: Boo hoo, booboos. RETREAAAAAT


In the latest fluff when Cygnar launched the counter attack, they pretty much lost all of their storm division, and the Layeles resistance numbering in the thousands because khador lured them into a city, then bonbarded it, then flooded with lava.

>>54352802

I thought Cygnar would have realized that was a trap ?

Also, if that is the story I'm thinking of, Strakhov and Irusk are really having their way with things.

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Is there any way to resolve the situation in Llael without turning it into a battle ground and ruining its wealth?

From what I've read unless outside stimulus influence things, I don't think most of Llael's serious industry is going to be any good by the time Cygnar and Khador are done feuding over it.

>>54352829
They were Betrayed apparently by false information.

And yes they are. It's also getting results. Strahkov tortured an incomplete magical formula for making Warcasters out of some guy.

>>54353005
Nope. And Khador would burn ground behind it every step.

I have fallen out of love with the game because of PP's general ineptitude with rules following the buildup to, and release of, Mk3.

That said, most of what they spoiled looks really, really fucking cool. If PP gets their head screwed on straight and actually work on fixing the rules issues in the game (which is honestly going to require Skorne-level rebalancing to most non-Cygnar, non-Cryx factions) I might even start playing again.

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>>54353209

Well Khador can't exactly just give it up given how much blood and treasure has went into things can they?

From what I've read, Irusk isn't in love with what he's doing and Vlad definitely isn't, but they're both Loyal to Khador and Empress Vanar has made it clear Khadoran Llael isn't to fall to the enemy.

Though I have to wonder, if Cygnar successfully frees Llael, will things even really be any better?

From what I've read, Ashylynn thinks of Cygnar and Llael's supposed Queen as little more than an excuse for the "invaders in blue" to claim her nation.

And was the old administration even liked by much of Llael? Didn't they squander the nation's wealth and allow things to get so lax that Khador was able to claim it as easily as they did?

>>54353419
>Well Khador can't exactly just give it up given how much blood and treasure has went into things can they?

They can if they are based off of the USSR. That's what the Soviets did for many miles before a counter offencive.

Lael IS pretty fucked. Its wanted by everybody, except it also has no good original central leadership. There is a potential non-cygnarian heir, but even thats weaksauce with pretty much no other nobles or any kind of government structure thats not Khadoran.

>>54353297
They are doing it one faction at a time. What are you looking forward to most rebalanced?

>>54353005
>Llael presently

Wait.

How in the FUCK did protectorate take the NORTH EASTERN part of Llael?! There's dwarf territory to the north, xenophobic elf territory to the east, and the Protectorates homelands are to the south!

>>54343259
>what is basically butcher

>>54353789
The area was partially Resistance territory and part Khadoran. The Northern Crusade marched up the Cygnaren border to southern Llael and made a deal with the resistance. Then they Vader'd the resitance and took that part of Llael as their payment.

>>54353789

They were moving in that direction in MK1. I think Sorcha and the gang intercepted one of their convoys heading into Llael in fact.

Basically Crusade moved in through Free Llael and, with the help of the Resistance, secured Leryn.

It wasn't that well defended so.

>>54352551
Matt Wilson does. That's why we've had idiotic gun carriage range nerf and why Haley has to be a fucking sue and why caine gets highest rat while no one else like lylyth gets an equivalent.

>>54350447
I'm honestly surprised that lich2 was in the mix again. I still think hes got issues with his feat

>>54353419
And was the old administration even liked by much of Llael?

Llael was basically at the edge of a revolution mere seconds before Khador smashed into their borders.

>>54354674

So the Royalty were on their way out anyway it seems.

Why would Cygnar think re-installing them would be a popular decision?

>>54354960
Because they are getting less bland as a faction I think.

Remember they signed an accord with Khador to make this invasion Legal, this was their big "In" as a result they are also likely to marry the princess and expand Cygnar Legally.

The new ruler isn't as Insane as Vinter, but hes more cold and more calculating then the pussyfoot leto.

So really the Layelese resistance will have to fight EVERYBODY in the long term.

>>54354960
Llael didn't have a monarch at the time (though their last king was actually quite popular amongst the people). The last one was assassinated and didn't have a clearly defined heir. Many of the potential heirs were killed as the nobility moved to protect their own interests and intrigues. The rest of his heirs went into hiding. Eventually, one noble, the prime minister, gained enough power in the infighting to declare himself Regent until the succession was determined (which nobody actually tried to do, of course). Under him, the infighting amongst the nobility and the corruption and inequality in the country got even worse than it already was.

Did Strakhov kill the Llael king or were the noblemen mentioned in his profile just secondary-fluff?

I wish there was more fluff about the other lich lords. I'm going to write a story about the accountant and the foreign affairs lady

>>54355469
Caine killed the last king of Llael.

>>54355729
Nani?

>>54354960
For Cygnar, it's not important whether or not most Llaelese people want a monarch. What matters is there being an actual heir to the throne, thus someone with a claim to the land Khador is occupying. They just needed a clause in the peace treaty that would make Khador look like even more bad guys while making the Cygnarens who marched into Llael the 'good' guys for trying to put a Llaelese heir back on the throne, "We're not trying to absorb Llael, we want it as an independent nation again. We promise!"

>>54355882
Yep. It's the big thing the spymaster threatens to reveal at the end of Blood of Kings, and Caine implies that it's how he's gotten Caine to do several unsavory things since.

>>54355882
The elder scout general turned wordlessly to raise an eyebrow at the clerk.

“It’s good news this time, sir. Captain ... I mean Lieutenant Caine’s account led our agents to the wreckage at the bottom of the harbor. Our agents were able to extract the cortex, intact. They report there was nothing else remaining that might implicate Cygnar.”

“Nothing?”

“Ah, yes, the matter of Rynnard’s death. The official story from the Llaelese ambassador is natural causes. It seems they are either unaware or unwilling to accept the notion their king could have been assassinated.”


Caine poisons Llaelese King Ryynard with Licorice Root, something he was deathly allergic to.

>>54356334
>Caine poisons Llaelese King Ryynard with Licorice Root, something he was deathly allergic to.

But why? I know Caine was roaming around covertly hunting down the remains of the Inquisition at one point. Was Rynnard connected to that?

>>54356566
Because Rebald is a bad guy who wanted Cygnar to destabilize Llael so they could puppet it.

>>54340812
From CID panel:

Falk has a magelock shotgun and will start testing with shot a model and have it do a spray off of the target. He also has an shot that does fire. He also has a shot that marks the target and when it takes magic damage if is at +2.

The champion of the order of the wall will go into the Menoth edit a new theme- Faithful Masses, the zealot theme. He will have a leadership ability that gives retaliatory strike to other paladins.

There are a couple new Man O War officers coming.
One of the Man O Wars is on a large base.

Skarre 3 feat: she can take a point of damage. She can cast a spell for each point of damage taken. Each spell can be cast once.

Agrimony is a revenant and will play in Ghost Fleet. She has no attacks that break her incorporeal

Orion's Feat: friendly models making attacks against enemy models in his control area without a focus or fury get boosted attack rolls. When making attacks against models with focus or fury, he gains boosted damage.

Orion has a spell that can place focus on enemy and friendly models.

Gastonne 2: his gun is strong. If he has any souls on him he rolls an additional die on attack and damage and drops the lowest.

If Gastonne has three souls, he can spend them to become ROF 4 with boosted attack and damage.

Brawler will start testing at 16 points and his animus will be ornery and it will be a Northkin model.

Wold wight- Pagani: I keep murdering everyone with it in play testing. He is effectively a lesser on a medium base (14 hp). 5 points. Fury 2.

Stone shapers will get new star action that gives a Wolds +2 strength.

Anamag has a spell that is non upkeep, cost 3?, target unit give +3 strength. Fury 7 caster. An ogrun can kill something and then she can cast it again.

Primus Jalaam’s feat will begin testing as when an enemy model attacks a friendly faction model they roll one less attack die.

Barnabus 2 has a spell that gives enemy models -2 on attack rolls. Cost 2. Non upkeep.

>>54356907
>Brawler will start testing at 16 points and his animus will be ornery and it will be a Northkin model.
>16 points
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgdu4ZXDjZo

>>54356596
That's pretty friggin serious.

Considering that the Cygnarian KING wants that to happen now, Cygnar has finally gotten some edge its been missing as a milqetoast "Our Convictions are never truly tested" faction.

>>54356907
>Stone shapers will get new star action that gives a Wolds +2 strength.
FINALLY!

>>54356907
>Skarre 3 feat: she can take a point of damage. She can cast a spell for each point of damage taken. Each spell can be cast once.

Oh, interesting. Thanks for posting all this!

>>54356907

>The champion of the order of the wall will go into the Menoth edit a new theme- Faithful Masses, the zealot theme. He will have a leadership ability that gives retaliatory strike to other paladins.

Sweet, more Paladins. I do love the Paladins, they just suffer from out of universe the same issue the have in-universe: Exemplars are the new, hot shit so they get all the toys.

>gatorman gargantuan
>No pigman gargantuan

Well fuck me.

If the pigs ever get a gargantuan I hope its a disgusting mess of stuff Arkadius sewed together.

>>54358454
I know it's rough, but Its gonna happen eventually. When it does its gonna be like 3 years worth of releases.

Anyway on an Unrelated note:

Khador Gained Samus Aran

>>54358454
>>54358493
Are there Pigman gargantuans in the lore?
I remember someone saying that the gatorman gargantuan has been around in the RPG.

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>>54358512
Yea the dracodile has been around since the start. The Raevhan Buffalo could maybe work with farrow?

>>54358512
I think the unleashed book hinted at the possibility. The warbeast hogs are basically a genetic defect that affects some farrow babies sometimes. Those hogs can then occasionally give birth to the heavy warbeast variety, IIRC. Then, it hints that some people have speculated what could be produced by the heavy bigs given enough time and breeding.

I'm phoneposting or I'd open the pdf and check.

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>>54358508
>Khador Gained Samus Aran
Elaborate immediately, sir

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>>54359265
Sorcha 3 is in MOW Armor.

That Armor is more slicker, more elegant, less dangerous (For the wearer) and refined.

On top of that it comes with an Arm Cannon.

Also she had Vlads Baby, so she can babble about it all day to make the comparison 100% accurate.

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>>54359265
I assume he means this. Looks like we're getting Sorscha3 in MoW armor with a gun arm.

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>>54359418
Sorry wrong picture

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>>54358508
>>54359265

That what this is?

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>>54359418
>Baby memes
Still cool regardless

>>54341575
I didn't notice before but the Heavy MOWs have warjack arms. lol

>>54359418
>Also she had Vlads Baby, so she can babble about it all day to make the comparison 100% accurate.
Wait what

>>54360188
I couldn't resist. It was so close.
>>54360277
She has had Vlads Bastard in the timeskip.
I THINK.

The Joke is that in Metroid other M Samus was turned into a baby babbling dolt, so I made a joke comparison to Sorcha, because they are now so similar.

>>54360277
>>54360375

If she's had Vlad's child, doesn't that mean Vlad is now slightly more expendable given doom no longer befalls Khador should his line end?

>>54360576
Probably, and that child would have the bloodline of super ice magic and destiny powers.

Probably just in time to Compete with Haley 7, in her god queen immortal form.

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>>54359418
Sold.

If privateer press wants to attract new customers they need to work on not be so godamm confusing

>>54361797
>on not be so godamm confusing
Uh...

>>54350872
>Bring infantry hate
>Lose to heavies

>Don't bring infantry hate
>Lose to Ghost Fleet

God I fucking love playing rock paper scissors.

>>54359434
>>54359566

So man'o'war theme force... might get me back into a game I never really began.

>>54352829
>Strakhov and Irusk are really having their way with things.
they're definitely the most interesting dudes in the setting

>>54353209
>They were Betrayed apparently by false information.
>And yes they are. It's also getting results. Strahkov tortured an incomplete magical formula for making Warcasters out of some guy.

where can I read about this?

The MOW theme is sounding more and more awesome with Samus in it. I am also wondering if that other model in the art isn't Yuri2 or a Great Bear.

>>54351508
That's not a Kodiak you dumb mother fucker.

>>54354618
Liche2 is purely back because of the bane theme list.

Anyone else hype about the golden crucible army? Grymkin were out of place but this seems like it'll be an interesting army. Can't wait to find out more.

>>54356907
>Primus Jalaam’s feat will begin testing as when an enemy model attacks a friendly faction model they roll one less attack die.

Just what the faction full of DEF10-11 models wanted. Not.

>>54362533
Acts of War 2: Flashpoint. Newest novel.

>>54362806
been looking to pick those up. are they a good read? The Blood of Kings was kind of underwhelming.

>>54362738

These would be the dead-eyed Venators?

>>54362738
I'm sorry you didn't get a feat that read "enemy models can't hit your models this turn", Skornefag. I know how hard having to actually play the game is for you.
I guess you'll just have to live with reducing the average odds your opponent's heavies hit your heavies from 84% to 33%. What a useless effect, huh?

>>54362843
The first one had some serious editing issues on launch. Typos, people kept changing ranks between scenes, and the author repeated the explanation of Stryker and Magus's history. I believe it's since been updated but I haven't re-read it. That's aid, the parts with Cygnar new warcaster Maddox were good. The new one was much better.

>>54353419
>Ashylynn thinks of Cygnar and Llael's supposed Queen as little more than an excuse for the "invaders in blue" to claim her nation

Ashlynn is a fucking drama queen. She didn't seem to mind that the blue guys had a huge military presence in the country beforehand.

>>54362738
Step 1: Take Archidons
Step 2: Laugh

>>54356907
>Faithful Masses, the zealot theme

*nasheed intensifies*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQoJvI8XUa0

>>54359424
Sorscha3 MoW - cannot fucking wait
MoW Manhunter - wolf pelt guy?

>>54359418
Looks a standard bearer, I would bet both demo corps and bombardiers will likely get attachments.
Other dude has more ornate armor. Maybe an officer or a solo.
Stupid horse-drawn battle engine.

>>54363026

Newsflash, Skorne already has a Warlock with a feat that has a similar statistical output but also further punishes the enemy for missing by shoving them out of combat. This forces boosting, which is a guaranteed damage output reduction.

Sorry that we're not thrilled we're getting a worse version of a feat we already have on a warlock considered garbage tier and nobody plays him.

Faggot. L2P.

>>54363424
>Manhunter of War

>>54362732
GC is every bit as out of place because they're riding tanks, which somewhat invalidate warjacks and generally clash with the setting.

>>54363232

Isn't she a lot wiser now than she was at the start of things?

She may have seen things in the whole Llael-Cygnar relation that she hadn't before.

>>54363438
+2 DEF results in a ~26% shift, not 50%.

>>54363496
It's +3 DEF, which is very similar to -1 die.

>>54363513
Okay yeah, that's pretty significant. It's down to Slamjam's spell list to distinguish him *if* the feat goes through with that specific text.

>>54363247

Take infantry. Deadeye is deadeye. Real Mordikaar anon here, ignore that faggot.

>Mordikaar's thing was with the revive nerf, he doesn't support infantry beyond his Hollow victims
>So list construction leans on beasts, and making the feat work for beasts means you have limited choices
>not bad choices, limited ones
>limited sucks

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Rate my theme trash, please.
I really want to use my AFG and one of the two Fane Knight models, and Ossyan seems like the best way to do that.

Will we escape the themepacolypse before mk4?

>>54364475

They've made it clear at Lock and Load that they want 90% of lists in the game to be in theme. They're going all in.

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>>54364523
But could we maybe not do that

>>54364137
Drop a banshee for Hypnos if you can, the cost is the same but it gives shadow bind which is incredible for control shenanigans which you want to help give your gun line time to set up. Switch the halberdier UA for the Houseguard thane. This gives you bonus movement for the Halberdiers and the ability to see through stealth for the rifleman. I would also drop the heavy rifle team and add either the UA for the Rifleman, under ossyan's feat the extra damage die and attack die with shatter storm should kill alot.

>>54364137
>>54364667
Ofcourse if you want to get the best out both a Fane Knight and a AFG use Garryth. He has Sentry which will let it fire three times per turn (once during your maintenance and the other two during normal action). and is a melee caster so if you have the Guardian +2 defence and shield guard are nice.

>>54364593
We as a community could band together and say no with our wallets. But since getting the community at large to agree to something all together is virtually impossible I would say nay. If anything if theme lists are the way to go the only way to balance them would be I say to restrict them more. Make war jacks and beasts not FA:U in theme, would diversify some lists and force people to buy different models instead of spam. Next not impliment this bs that every faction can take a merc unit and still be in theme. If you want to do that make certain mercs partisian in theme but don't go crazy with it. Or maybe instead of granting the ability to take free 8 point solos you put a point cap on individual models brought in with themes.

>>54364667
I don't have a Rifle UA or the bits for Hypnos, but I can probably suck it up and proxy a couple times to see if gunlining is actually enjoyable.

>>54364765
I've seen "Scary Garry" mentioned a couple times, in which you take Garryth with the AFG and a Helios to make a controlling wall for him, Sentinels for a self-sufficient Mirage unit, and a big flanking threat like Dahlia and Skarath to draw attention. Are there certain lights/heavies that Garryth likes to use in the absence of a Helios?

PP is trying to find a balance with themes between unplayable trash and OP auto-includes. Before it used to be more granular or impacting in terms of bonuses, but that basically broke the game. It's in their best interests to allow a range of mercs in lackluster themes than to try and make specialized theme forces.

>>54365649
But it completely fucks the whole point of a theme.

Why is a random elf running around in a Winter Guard army more thematic than Winter Guard walking besides Man-O-Wars?

Anyway PPs General Theme force Plans:

They are planning on giving them a hard look and rebalancing much of them (I Think).
The Layelese Resistance theme force is looking to be insane. Granting Spiper to Gun Mages, and giving access to 1 Cygnarian or Menothian Solo or Unit. This does include the Choir.
They are plan to rebalance minion and Merc access so that if they give everybody access to mercs and minions its less "Khador gets everything nice everybody else gets squat"

>>54365038
>and a big flanking threat like Dahlia and Skarath

How good are the elf and her pet snek? I love the models and just started a Trollbloods army, and have been thinking about picking them up.

>>54366296
Are they going to make Minions solos worth bringing? There's a ridiculous disparity in power level between Mercs and Minions solos. Minions get to grant magical weapons, Mercs get to make your caster immune to melee attacks. One of these is better than the other most of the time.

>>54366597
They're not really that good honestly. Back when you could throw your own models they were great because you could toss your snake during a game and get rewarded rather than DQ'd for indecent exposure. Now it's just an expensive spray and a spell that was never really that good in the first place.

>>54366630
Hmm, that's a shame. Are they at least playable? Do they bring anything to a Troll army it wouldn't ordinarily have? I've played Cryx for a few years now but this is the first time I've ever really looked at Hordes stuff.

>>54366630
>you could toss your snake during a game and get rewarded rather than DQ'd for indecent exposure

kek

>>54366614
>Are they going to make Minions solos worth bringing?

Probably. When the gators releases start coming PP will look at the sales chart and get a CID for the low performing ones.

Also some Mercs will aperantly be working for the Hordes factions.

Sell me on company of iron.

>>54367303
Sadly some anon said he had more details but now he doesn't have them.

It depends on what you want. Its rules will likely be free, so you can play it with what you already have, ad if your new if there is anything in WM you like, it's likely to be a much cheaper investment in the game.

>>54367303
> Company who can't balance game with ten years of experience in existing style is going to successfully emulate the style of other games that are stealing all their players, because magic is real.

Oh sorry, I thought you said "sour me on Company of Iron"

>>54366296
>Menothian
you done fucked up anon

SR2017 - http://files.privateerpress.com/op/2017/LnL/Steamroller%20Rules%202017.pdf

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>>54352652
>New faction
>Still nothing new for the militant nerds

I know, limited release. But that still implies some kind of releases every now and then.

>>54368027
They literally announced a new caster for them this weekend.

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>>54368056
Oh.
I was not aware, and I stand corrected. Thank you anon.
This pleases me greatly.

>>54364593
No! Play Themes! Buy 3 of everything!

>>54365649
>PP is trying to find a balance with themes between unplayable trash and OP auto-includes.
Plain fucking wrong. They stated that they want them to be auto-include.

>>54368234
I think what this anon means is balance between unplayable trash themes and OP themes.
>at least that's what I hope anon means, because it's the case

>all hail our theme force overlords

>>54368218
Actually, they hope for every theme force to have like 15 options or so for it.

Like the Trencher or the Northkin one for instance.

>>54368329
>all hail our theme force overlords
Pretty much. Once everything has a theme force I think we'll see a great deal less bitching. I'm at least much more confident in the game after talking to Dev all weekend

>>54368546
>Actually, they hope for every theme force to have like 15 options or so for it.
15 options or 15 viable options? Because we're a long way from there. Themes as a balancing tool is just not working out. But who knows, maybe it will in a year or two.

Is there a pp source saying themes are the way of the future, or is this speculation based on how they seem to be pushed?

Like is a non theme army legit not viable? I'm a while out of the game and don't know what's true and what's meme right now.

>>54369100
Every second PP post on the CID forums telling people to shut up and buy more spam.

>>54369100

LnL Anon here, it's pretty much all but official. The idea that they want every model in a theme force by years end is proof of that.

>>54369126
Fucking where! I know 4chan sucks at warmachine and is bitter and annoyed and wants everything to die, but they listed NOWHERE that they wanted spam. Just that they didn't want free points to go away.

>BUT THATS LITERALLY THE SAME THING
Says 4chan because it REALLY, REAAAAALLY sucks at Warmachine.

>>54368918
>15 options or 15 viable options?
That's shifting the goalposts. Not everything is viable all the time because of individual units, not because thats PPs design goal.

>>54369100
>Like is a non theme army legit not viable?
Yes, its viable. The free points are mainly for Attachments and Solos. Maybe a light warbeast sometimes.

It's just an aggressive meme shat out by 4chan which really sucks at warmachine.

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Are Grind Marauders a thing?

If you had to be a racial minority in Immoren, which would you be?

Personally, I'd be a Thurian in either Cygnar or Ord because they don't seem to be treated too badly. Or an Ogrun in Rhul.

>>54369490
If I picked Gobber, would Goblin Slayer visit me at night?

>>54369606
Goblin Slayer would probably be some sort of Grymkin.

Still waiting for my Magnus Charlossal.

Any idea as to what a Grymkin Gargantuan would be?

>>54369788

Probably some abomination based on one of the major sins they punish.

Maybe a giant walking creature wearing a house of lies?

>>54369732
Isn't he just producing Galleons in Ternon Crag?

>>54369884
I like it!

>>54350770
They have like 5 ways to kill your caster and you probably can't play around all of them.

>>54369905

Does he even still have that war industry in Ternon Crag?

Also, I thought Galleons were made in one of the Ordic cities?

And isn't having that type of production in Ternon Crag problematic due to lack of a major means of transporting them (though there might be a river nearby, I think it's mentioned killing Pyromalefic tainted it for a time) and the fact that it's still close to the Skorne's territory?

>>54369788
A Judicator absolutely covered in Gremlins, it's howling mass of grymkin urged on by the inSetting equivalent of TwitchChat. It lumbers on spraying sparks, burning oil, and gremlins wherever it goes, and leaves only devastation in it's wake.

>>54370102
>Judicator
>devastation
pick one

>>54369788
>>54369884

Or, maybe some giant abomination that is both an effigy AND a mockery of Menoth, or what they perceive him to be at heart.

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>>54369661
Gobber hate solo, gets an additional attack and damage die against gobbers.

Truly what the meta needs right now.

>>54368027
>that monitor's arms are on backwards

>>54370515

You can pad how many design iterations you've gone through if you pull stunts like that and then say how it's altered the center of mass under load and shifted stress moments along the upper carapace for potentially better sustained performance. There's only so many places at the top and you don't want to spend your immortal transhumanity as a Reductor, anon. It's not just about looking busy for the boss, you need a good paper trail and plausible BS.

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>>54370515
Fine. Fixed.

The CoC needs something like Charjacks.

I'm thinking Prototypes or something that one of the more Human Members designs as a Custom Refit.

>>54371755
Whilst character designs are likely to happen, its much more likely to be something like a Deathjack or a Behemoth.

Character warjacks in the eyes of the CoC are an abomination.

I think it's because secretly their goddess is puppeteering them. Think about why only a very select few of the CoC retain any personality or will. Whilst the rest become replaceable souls inside of their tech, powering it.

I mean its tech based off of Lich Soul Cages. Not exactly clean or very...safe tech.

>>54371858
I remember reading that they needed to be shifted to Eradicators every once in a while, to get that initiative back, but I don't remember reading that they lose their personality during the transference. Did I miss that?

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>>54371008
>The Convergence is actually just a giant, complex bureaucracy

>>54372060
>"Convergance Poetry is said to be the third worst on Caen..."

>>54371989
They are described as colder and more distant (In the books I believe, not the ones from the convergence POV). And every once in a while dumped into a communal soul pot that allows them to think "More advanced".

If becoming robots doesn't remove their personality, then being used as backup harddrive power for calculations sure would.

"Stripping away one’s humanity does bring drawbacks as well as advantages. Those inhabiting clockwork vessels typically display reduced individuality and some few lose the spark of ingenuity, leading to predictability in battle.

The Convergence has ways to address this, such as assigning those experiencing a loss of self to the Eradicators, which have an aggressively individualistic fighting doctrine."

But again being assigned a more individualistic combat role combats the "Being less predictable" part. Not the "Waning personality" part.

You know what else shows less individuality? Ghosts. Ghosts become reflections of some lost version of themselves. I think all the CoC did was shove ghosts into a power-source function, except for a few warcasters (And the iron mother herself is feeling regret at the loss of her humanity). They are literally ghosts in shells.

For instance Montebra discovered that through Cyriss tech, a foreign influence moves it.

>>54372236
Ah, I haven't read any of the books. Makes sense.

I guess I'm just worried that all my little dudes are heading for the "emotionless machine" route, and I've already got a necron army for that. I liked the idea that there were still thoughts and dreams wandering around the soul of the average Obstructor as he beats people with a metal stick.

Does the Convergeance claiming Ley Lines mean they're going to come into conflict more with the Druids and Old Witch?

>>54372479
I have no doubt about the druids - I think they're even mentioned offhandedly about trying to protect the same sites. The Old Witch, I dunno.

>>54372444
Well if its any help, the Necrons don't have souls. =P

In any case there ARE. But from what I understand its slowly worn away. More slowly for lower tier guys then higher tier ones.

Think about it, it combines religion with the lack of need of a body of robots. In a sense you "become" your dream. Your dream was to work for Cyriss, and now you're working for her forever!

And now you can work 24 Hours a day 7 days a week with no stops for any other action!

With time you kinda forget to talk, to dream...To do anything really except what your needed to. With time it becomes just easier to do what your told, eventually.....01011001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100110 01101111 01110010 01100111 01100101 01110100 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 01110010 00100000 01101110 01100001 01101101 01100101

But there are always new living recruits to grant new emotions, so a purely emotionless force is unlikely. It got similar elements to Necrons, but its really not the same. Its not emotionless as much as...insideous. Nobody BEGINS in the body emotionless. Its a thing that develops in time.

Like they are actually a "Nice" cult. They could have self-destructed a base to stop the cephalyx but didn't because they didn't want nearby humans to die. For reasons of niceness or secrecy.....Who knows?

>>54372479
Yes. But considering they just tunnel underground to leylines, the Druids really can't do much when they don't know about it.

>>54372772
I've missed out on all the fluff that isn't in the army book. I need to figure out what I need to read to get more backstory.

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>>54372852
Very little Honestly. The Cephalyx provide another part of the puzzle as does the Iron Mothers Entry, as well as Montebras Entry in her 1st Form:

"Mortenebra finally identified the issue that so troubled her: the creations did not possess true free will. Some external force exercised a subtle but undeniable control over the translated consciousness. Her peers accused her of paranoia when she presented her findings, and they dismissed her conclusions as palpable signs of Cyriss’ guiding hand."

This is when she was a Preistess BTW, Similarly to what Cephalyx Discovered:

"It was eventually deduced that the Convergence represented a bizarre and corrupted variant of cephalyx core beliefs, a group driven astray by superstitions encouraged by a manipulative and malevolent divinity. If there were an intelligence and will to be found among nature’s universal laws and the principles of mathematics, it was an aberration, an invidious entity that defiled the purity of sentient thought. Strengthening this conclusion was the finding that the clockwork entities of the Convergence did not, so far as the cephalyx were concerned, possess true free will, but only a convincing facsimile. Such clockwork beings had, in fact, been enslaved by the goddess they worshiped, becoming its extensions on Caen."

Now a Big reminder: This is all POV stuff. Maybe montebra just sucked, and the Cephalyx where annoyingly picky.

This isn't so much as "Evil Soulless Necrons" as much as good folks truly devoted to a cause and want to help the world, but maybe have a Cthuloid God Machine secretly puppeting them.

>>54373009
Oh I have no doubt they're being manipulated by their god-machine - hell, they practically admit it. But it also seems that they don't mind too much. I assume that the lure of immortality is also a strong driving force, and that alone would make someone willing to work with you, even if you harbored some doubts initially.

And it's interesting, this interaction between the Cephalyx and the CoC - both hardline thinkers, but on opposing ends of the spectrum of flesh and metal. They're natural enemies, and honestly I find the very idea of the Cephalyx disconcerting as hell - keep those wires and shit out of my brain, thank you.

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>>54358493

> ARKADIUS I HOPE YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING GOOD TO SHOW OFF BEFORE HELGA, SHE STILL HASN'T PUT OUT

>> BEHOLD: THE FRANKENSCHWEIN

>>54373975
>And it's interesting, this interaction between the Cephalyx and the CoC - both hardline thinkers, but on opposing ends of the spectrum of flesh and metal. They're natural enemies, and honestly I find the very idea of the Cephalyx disconcerting as hell - keep those wires and shit out of my brain, thank you.

I personally find the Cephalyx at least more limited in scope, their like:

>"Yeah, we are here to rob you of your free will, but we like it in general"

the Cyrissians are like:

>"We are here to make EVERYBODY loses their free will, but will will do it as nicely as possible"

>>54374025
HEY WHERE'S THE MISSING ABRIDGED FLUFF POST IT THANKS

>>54374118
So cheerful cult that wants to turn everyone into machines, or a group of menacing assholes underground who only want to turn SOME people into mental slaves.

That's a terrible choice.

Dammit, I was about to post a whole entire musical about the farrow but 4chan thinks its spam.

>>54372981
> Brawler rules.
Yes. Yes, he does.

Mulg has pretty much been replaced until he can get through CID.

Anyone got a summary of info on Laell? I'm pretty stoked gotta admit.

>>54374625
Fluff or Mechanics?

Fluff wise: Ass is getting blasted

Mechanics wise: Holy fucking shit, they might get access to the Choir, and all their gunmages get sniper.

So I'm finally digging into Mk3, and all warjacks get 1 focus at the start of the control phase, right? I'm assuming that's new, since I sure as hell don't remember doing that before.

That means that CoC Induction just went batshit, as all those free focus points are going to be bouncing around like popcorn. That's incredibly useful.

>>54374702

Both. I assume they get access to the laell merc models? And are their gunmages new models or just cyngar ones + snipe? So much I'd love to know and probably so little spoiled.

>>54374826
Oh. Sorry for you. The CoC don't get Power Up (The name of the 1 Focus Mechanic)......They instead get to do induction up to 3 times.
Enjoy.
Also new caster on the Horizon.
>>54374837
Thornwood Gun Mages are Layeles. Im not sure if they Take Cygnarian gunmages they also get snipe. Who knows?

New models likely, but not in massive qualities.

In terms of fluff, Khador was forced to retreat from one of the other non-major cities but utterly DECIMATED both Cygnar and Lael in the process. Like murdered the entire Lael Resistance.

Also Cygnar is eying them with...A bit too much love. Nothing says gratitude for liberation like annexation right?

One fan theory (Only a fan theory) would be that Stryker might join them over the new Cygnarian king because he swore an oath to whats her face.

>>54375030
Oh. Well. Still, that's useful. I think.
Damn I got all excited.

>>54375549
I was kidding. Its actually even more free focus. As in if run properly with a corrolary, they can run INDEPENDENTLY of the war caster! Even outside of the casters control range!

Like clockwork!

Just pass the focus back and forth, and you have a completly indipendant army!

>>54372981
Post the rest.

>>54376087
That's it. That's all they posted. The 12 christmas stuff is a later CID. The Brawler just got pushed up seeing as this is the Northkin CID.

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>>54375650

>>54376431
What? Whats so funny?

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>>54376563

>>54376431
>>54376854
>>54375549
He's not joking.

There's seriously an inbalance in CoC list building right now because Vectors do all the work anything else can do and they do it better.

All jack armies in CoC don't have any of the major issues even other jackspam lists have.

>>54372981
Dear god. Am I seeing right? A good troll model? It's the end of the world.

>>54376431
>>54376854
Pretty sure that guy's "funposting" anon

I hope one day the Cephalyx will get a new caster whose mind was forced into the body of a monstrosity. I'd like to see something different from them so maybe he makes a brick and multiples the strength of drudge and other monstrosity's.

>>54377575
>I hope one day the Cephalyx will get a new caster whose mind was forced into the body of a monstrosity.

Whatever the new caster will be, he will not be a monstrosity. Because that goes against their very being. To a Cephalyx, a body is a disgusting anathema.

But don't they other casters do exactly what you say you want? Magnify drudge power, or Monster power?

>>54377783
That's true they don't much care for their bodies only seeking to really become huge brains with all the psychic power possible.

But I'd like it if they bothered to ads some difference because Thexus and Cyphon do nearly the same thing but with different spell lists.

The idea behind this caster would be he wanted to match the perfect mind with the perfect body.

>>54377848
>The idea behind this caster would be he wanted to match the perfect mind with the perfect body.

That's like saying "Well I know Menoth is usually Dogmatic, but what about a caster that's super smart, knows dark arts and is willing to explore other alternatives to Menoth?"

They are not interested in the body. The Cephalyx as a society created cloning because they found reproduction so sickening they stopped fucking enough to make children.

They use the metallic appendages because they hate touching things THAT MUCH.

A physical powerhouse might be one with like super tentacles, and super short ranged mega psionic power that could smash things away, and maybe a more strongly reinforced brain.

>>54377901
Could have also been done as a last resort to escape death or a form of punishment.

Though I do like your idea as well.

Also if not a more frontline caster then just a more heavily armored infantry.

>>54377901

Not who you are talking to but I could see a 'Physical' Cephalyx having a much heavier array of metal arms than the usual ones. Doc Oc sort of stuff rather than the thin ones most of them have. Heavy mechanical arms that can immobilise someone while they work on them more easily.

Give them the ability to take control of an enemy warbeast he destroys with a melee attack like how most of them can turn dudes into more drudges.

>>54377949
>Could have also been done as a last resort to escape death or a form of punishment.
Just unlikely. Maybe? Who knows, but it would have to be pretty contradictory.

Because anybody who could have punished an Exulon, would have eaten their mind, and left them a husk. At which point in time they would be pointless as a beast.

They don't actually have "Warcaster Sparks", they just become mentally powerful enough at points in time to just mind control specially prepared vessels all the time without any effort and multiple at once.

The Cephalyx are so cut through, that they are pretty much killing and eating each other all the time to advance through the ranks. Leaving a rival alive, even in a punished war form would be a...Unwise decision. Since they are generally very unemotional, or emotional but in a very distant way.

>>54377967
>Heavy mechanical arms that can immobilise someone while they work on them more easily.

Now, this I see. A more "Experimentalist" then a Mindist.

>>54378097
Fair point and I do enjoy this anon >>54377967 solution to it as it works well.

>>54365038
Sure be sure to let us know how the games go. Battle reports help out everyone.

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>>54355088
>Because they are getting less bland as a faction I think.
>Remember they signed an accord with Khador to make this invasion Legal, this was their big "In" as a result they are also likely to marry the princess and expand Cygnar Legally.
>The new ruler isn't as Insane as Vinter, but hes more cold and more calculating then the pussyfoot leto.
>So really the Layelese resistance will have to fight EVERYBODY in the long term.
This is what I love about the fluff: they realized leto was boring as hell and switched him out with a vinter, real talk edition.

Cygnar as the "good guys" was always dumb and uninteresting for the same reason expansionist empire khador having a softer kinder side was interesting.

>>54378884
>khador having a softer kinder side was interesting.

Sadly THIS is the part that they are downplaying now. I keep feeling like their setting up for a Civil war in Khador between the Ruthless Queen and King Vlad who cares more about his people then victory.

For instance Irusk pulled off a Gambit killing most of Cygnars storm division and Layelese resistance in one stroke and almost killing general Stryker and Magnus, but also killed an entire inhabited Khadoran Layelese city to do it.

This got Vlad all pissed off.

>>54376903
I definitely wouldn't mind if they changed things around. I really like the infantry and medium based stuff, but its hard to say no to all the solid vectors. The only ones I generally avoid are the Conservator and Modulator, and even they have their uses. Everything else is damn solid.
Shit, I cant think of a game where I didn't have an Inverter, Cipher and Monitor in my list.

>>54379553
Orion has a lot of merit with infantry from what we've seen.

>>54378097

>Leaving a rival alive, even in a punished war form would be a...Unwise decision.

Could make for a horrifying character warbeast for them. Magic ranged attacks as it's tortured brain is forced to lash out with telekinetic force.

>>54380426
That the new caster? Haven't seen anything about it yet.

>>54381122
Yea.

Spell list is Spell Piercer, Mage Sight, Magic Bullet, and a new spell that adds a focus to either a friendly or enemy model, dealing electrical damage around the model targeted.

MAT5, RAT6, FM: Repo 3", FOC7

Feat is that FF models get boosted attack dice on enemy models without a focus/fury point on them and boosted damage dice on models with a fury/focus

>>54367507
>is going to successfully emulate the style of other games that are stealing all their players
Elaborate, plaese, i`m a newbie in miniatures games.

>>54378097
>Leaving a rival alive, even in a punished war form would be a...Unwise decision

If fucking Calaban did it, I'm sure Thexus could find a way.

>>54381539
GW has been using clunky "buy ten dudes and do squad stuff" ""games"" to lure the more casual sort of gamer into getting hooked on their product for years.

>>54381819
>for years
Didn't they kill that off for like the entirety of the mid-late 2000s

>>54381833
they bringing them back for an easy cash grab

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>a thread can't go 4 hours without falling off the board anymore
What the fuck is happening

>>54383659
Game is dead, despite /wmhg/ protests.

Like, I have a massive Khador army and Cygnar, Cyriss, Legion and Circle armies and even I can see the interest in the game declining.

PP have launched Mk3 with no real aim or plan for the future in mind and they've been constantly making and changing and cancelling plans for the last year.

>everyone gets faction books with themes for updates
They did this once for each faction then cancelled it

>more frequent erratas
Now they've said they'll less frequent (how thats possible, I don't know)

>card boosters to keep them up to date with the errata
No cards at all now

Now their plan is "everything is themes now...we think? I mean we need to CID test them all and not release them till 3 months later in a No Quarter. Also new limited factions every year for some reason!"

Also that errata thing was such a back handed fuck you it was hilarious.

>>54381833
They did two just this year with Shadow War: Armageddon and AoS Skirmish.

>>54383847
Could it just have suffered a dropoff of interest that it can later regain?

By very definition, we are still here.

Nah, its dead.

Can nobody spell Llaelese or something? I'm confused.

I'm reading the Flashpoint novel and they keep mentioning Section Three? what is that?

>>54384249
Generally people won't come back unless something drastic happens like an edition change because they go off and invest in a game they like more.

>>54384421
Because????
Honestly, the game dropped off for a bit on a fucking slow imageboard. So has fucking D&D5e. And that's generally a very popular game.

From my being here I have witnessed never ending complaints about just literally everything.

"Errata happens too fast! I'm getting confused and exhausted!"
"Now Errata is happening too slow! What a personal fuck you!"

In general, they do shit in response to people. Not because their evil fucking boogeymen.

I just get this sense of unfounded bitterness. Like PP killed their cat or something.

>>54384500
>"Errata happens too fast! I'm getting confused and exhausted!"
I have NEVER seen this comment made on here. Like actually never once.

>>54384500
>I just get this sense of unfounded bitterness. Like PP killed their cat or something.

Angry ex-players who have quit insist on shitting the place up and insisting that everyone else is quitting as well. It's like the old cries of "GW will die next year, I promise!" that would resound through the forums whenever they did something people disliked.

>>54384585
>I have NEVER seen this comment made on here. Like actually never once.
Then that's how I know you only pop up to bitch.

>>54383659
To answer your question the most popular thing here is 40K. It's the only thing that keeps on the top consistently (And thats because it has like 6 different threads and 4 different X did nothing wrong blabs). Any other game plops down after a short period of time be it D&D 5e, or Malifaux, or Battletech.

>>54383659
Well thee userbase doubled over the past year. You know who to thank for that.

>>54384588
>Angry ex-players who have quit insist on shitting the place up and insisting that everyone else is quitting as well.
I remember a guy on early Lormahordes who was posting about how he was on an active crusade against PP. Pretty damn pathetic.

Also, Company of iron is looking REALLY neat.

Im gonna run a Khador force of a Travelling family that are both the mechanics and riders of MOW armor. Sort of like the Fallout 4 Hot Rod power armor riders.

Il mod equipment sacks and seats to the back of the MOWs to represent what they use to carry the other family members during their travels.

My alternate idea was "Children of the Crow" people who worship the Old witch. Manhunters, and Kossites.

>>54384500
That's what happens when you shit the bed and unintentionally encourage extreme scrutiny from the community while failing to keep up.

It's just an embarrassing mess.

>>54384320

From Kings, Nations, and Gods. It's the best and most indepth primer for everything to do with the Iron Kingdoms side of Immorean.

>Section Three: Intelligence Kommand Gathers information on foreign powers, monitors threats both internal and external, and acts to preserve the realm.

>Though all sections of the ministry serve a vital role in Blaustavya’s information network, the Intelligence Kommand carries a particularly sinister reputation. These personal agents
of the great vizier work closely with the Prikaz Chancellery of the Greylords Covenant on matters of intelligence and analysis. Unlike the Prikaz, agents of Section Three possess no arcane training or aptitude, but they are nevertheless extraordinary intelligence professionals. Agents embark on espionage
missions either alone or in small groups, sometimes with Prikaz members. This section is led by Kommander Myrra Starov, one
of the most feared officers in the Khadoran government, who has served Section Three for more than two decades.

Section 3 is basically the KGB or CIA of Khador. They function similarly to their Cygnarean counterpart, the CRS.

>>54386737
Why are they separate from the Prikaz Chancellery? Are the Greylords just elitist or something?

>>54387905
Greylords are all arcanists and have crazy initiation rituals and shit to them. They do all sorts of janky evil shit and not just Intelligence and Counter Intelligence work. They don't accept non initiated into their ranks and hold tightly their occult secrets, even from the crown.

>>54385783
>Pretty damn pathetic.
You should go check out the Old Salts page

>>54383847
See all this is how I can tell you don't play the game. Business plans change, you're just spouting memes at this point

>>54386074
Is there an Insider out for it, or do you have "connections"?

>>54385691
40k 8th? Phoneposting?
I quit paying regular attention to 4chan meta around 2014 because it honestly wasn't worth the effort.

I just want more MOW spoilers.

>>54390737
It's probably for the better.

>>54390687
Facebook page for it.

>>54390786
Sorry, up above is about all there is.

We know Sorcha is wearing powerful upgraded MOW armor, and some of the stuff that's coming out and thats aboot it.

>>54383847
>>The idea behind this caster would be he wanted to match the perfect mind with the perfect body.
>That's like saying "Well I know Menoth is usually Dogmatic, but w

I don't know but at least locally I starter playing and managed to pull 4 people right away to play and am reviving old players. All thanks to Mk III.

So I'm looking to get back into the game and I have a CoC, Menoth, and Skorne army. Which is the best if I want to start playing more competitively?

>>54392738
Probably CoC. Might be bland, but their Theme list is among the best in the game.

>>54392738
All of those will work, however CoC pretty much only has 1-2 lists. So if you're looking for variety, go with one of the others.

>>54392774
>>54392738
But good things also come to those who wait.

PP is doing a sweep, revising older options and adding new ones. Cryxes undead banes and Thralls where turds for a while, now are decent and reasonable.

And Trolls also have finally gained and had options updated that they didn't have for a very long time.

>>54392846
Slight tangent: I'm heading out to play a round with a new Trolls player in about an hour. Is there anything new for Trolls that would be in WarRoom to point out to him, or is it all CID material at the moment?
And on that note, which elf caster would be more interesting matchup against Ragnor + mixed arms: Garryth, or Vyros1?

>>54393040
>Slight tangent: I'm heading out to play a round with a new Trolls player in about an hour. Is there anything new for Trolls that would be in WarRoom to point out to him, or is it all CID material at the moment?


All Cid. If they want to test cid, they can test Cid, but thats ONLY PLAYTEST STUFF.

CID IS NOT OFFICIAL NEW RULES. If they insist it is, they can shove it.

The only major "Official" thing, is the new steamroller.

>>54393083
>CID IS NOT OFFICIAL NEW RULES.
FAKE RULES!

>>54393414
>FAKE RULES!
"Il tell you what, we are gonna build a wall, it's gonna be big and beautiful, and Llael will pay for all of it!"

>>54393083
Dude, I'm pretty sure anon was looking for stuff he could point out to the troll player, since he used 'new Troll player' implying the guy doesn't have much and would be looking to expand.

>>54340812
Lol how's the release of your total ripoff of malifaux faction going /whg/?

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>2017 is official
>people have brought out their infantry
>*laughs in old woman*

>>54393897
Eh OK.

It's got some neat mechanics, so I'm getting it. Some of its more segmented models can just be used for Company of Iron (Like the Crows and Hollowmen). So not bad.

>>54393940
I'm planning to pick up some for Company of Iron, probably Crows, Longfellow, Rattler, maybe Hollowmen

>>54394817
Hollowmen with Hollow Holden will probably be very tough.

Im actually quite sad he failed and didn't become a Grymkin Hunter.

Question about CoC infantry - are they constructs that count as living models for the purpose of soul tokens, or are they living models with construct? If the former, they're not susceptible to a great deal of spells, but that doesn't seem right.

>>54395002
Their constructs with Soul vessel.

Their not living but generate soul tokens. Just like the Skorne Immortals and Exalted.

>>54395024
I see. So when abilities and spells have elements that affect only living models, they wouldn't be susceptible?

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>>54394907
>army of supernatural spookers ravaging the countryside and throwing every NPC they encounter into their collection of OC edgelords
>no stalwart adversary to stymie their predations
Belmont clan when?
Hell, I just want the Vendetta rule to show up more often in general.

>>54395180
Nope. But Cryx is just as capable of ripping apart this metal walnut and eating the delicious souls inside as ever.

>>54395198
Holden was SUPPOSED to be Belmont. But he failed. That's what makes it sad.

In terms of Monster hunters, both Morrow and Menoth have dedicated monster slayers.

>>54395198
Who ever has it? Just the titty witch right?

>>54395279

>Menoth have dedicated monster slayers.

Isn't that what Vlad's ancestors were?

I remembering him claiming he's descended from the Old Menite horse lords of the day and I remember it saying they used to hunt Dire Trolls or something back in the day.

>>54395286
Titty Witch?

uh, Lanyssa Ryssyll has vendetta:blighted, so watch out for your bloodgorgers

>>54395534
Yes, but also somewhere along the line his family line got cursed.

He's also theoretically a "Belmont" as his sword is a Bane to undead. Kinda lost that rule in transition and gained thresher instead.

Still is in the fluff though.

>>54390786
I saw on Reddit we also got a preview of the large based mows and one looks to have a shoulder cannon while the other has double shields with gatling guns built in.

>>54393897
>thinking malifaux invented any of that aesthetic

>>54395603
Bane?

>>54396917
why does he wear the mask?

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>>54356907
Orion's feat is either poorly worded or works only against Jacks / Beasts and Casters, which is pretty useless.

>magic bullet is an upkeep that expires after a direct hit

thanks PP

>>54396941
If I take Might of Kings off, will you die?

>>54396983
>Orion's feat is either poorly worded or works only against Jacks / Beasts and Casters, which is pretty useless.

Um. It's boosted attack rolls essentially against all infantry. And he can place focus on enemy stuff anyway, for boosted damage rolls.

>>54396941
"Nobody cared who I was until I put on the pauldrons"

>>54397160
i'm guessing he does so much for accuracy you mostly want to focus on damage dealing vectors like the Monitor and maybe the Conflux? Since the conflux can have a pow 15 gun

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>>54397160

>"Nobody cared who I was until I put on the pauldrons"

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Hey conflictanon, am I drunk or is Cognifex Cyphon missing from the mercenaries caster selection?

>>54398775
Cyphon was errata'd out of the game, anon. Where have you been? Shick said that he was a mistake and that he would be redone in a future CID.

>>54398802
And here I thought the Diretroll Brawler put Cephalyx on suicide watch.

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>>54398302
He wore those goofy ass pauldrons to the wedding?

>>54398963

Well, to be fair, isn't Vlad a military man first and foremost?

>>54398775
Fixed now, thanks for the report.

He went missing while I was fixing Cephalyx not showing up as Merc inclusion options for Cryx themes.

>>54398963
>Vlad must you wear those to the wedding
>THIS IS TRADITIONAL UMBREIAN ATTIRE I WILL NOT DISRESPECT MOTHERLAND

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>>54396983
>magic bullet is an upkeep that expires after a direct hit
That's not how magic bullet works

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