Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Tyranids are awesome.

first for farsight

I...think this is correct. Thoughts?

HQ

[164pts] Typhus

[184pts] Lord of Contagion

ELITES

[80pts] Noxious Blightbringer

TROOPS

[268pts] 10x Plague Marines (Icon of Despair, 2x Plague Launcher, Power Fist)

[266pts] 10x Plague Marines (Icon of Despair, 2x Plasma Gun, Power Fist)

[120pts] 20x Poxwalker

FAST ATTACK

[158pts] Foetid Bloat-Drone

[158pts] Foetid Bloat-Drone

DEDICATED TRANSPORT

[72pts] Chaos Rhino

[72pts] Chaos Rhino

HEAVY SUPPORT

[177pts] Chaos Predator (Twin Lascannon, Lascannon)

[268pts] Defiler

DETACHMENT: Battalion
TOTAL: 1987/2000pts, 106 Power

>>53641963
I do concede that the smasha has its place. I had misread the profile as 2d6 greater than toughness, rather than greater than or equal to, which is a very big difference for T5-8.

>>53641983
Is there any point in taking Plague Drones? Blight Drones are better im every way.

Why are some idiots saying the swarmlord isn't the best HQ to lead nids with

Yesss, Instinctive Behaviour is still in

Am I wrong for wanting to staple a combi and havoc launcher onto my rhino and just have it support a blob of CSM?

>>53642019
Because cheaper options exist than a 300 point double move.

>Juggerlord is S5
>Berzerkers are S5
>Kharn is S5
Mark of Khorne will give +1S. Prove me wrong.

>>53642019
has enough wounds to be blasted away by anything, rather than only snipers

>>53642016

Did rules for the Blight Drones leak?

conscripts without commisar, tanky
without commisar, dead

With LD 4, simply killing 1 will guarantee at least 1 flees half the time.
Kill like 7 in one round and as many as 9 may flee.

So how will Tau vs Orks match ups likely go when it comes to Battlesuit heavy vs Walker heavy armies? Or the Farsight list vs the Dreadmob list?

Also, how are Farsight and The Eight now? Are they still a nine unit army or has that changed a bit now?

>>53641952
Even if they're good, they're going to slow down gameplay SO much.

How do you reckon 2 DE start collectings would be to start?
2xArchon means I can go for the 3cp detachment.
Squad of kabalites, probably run the second as trueborn.
Raiders to transport them.
6x reavers.
Throw in the squad of wyches I've already got, and build from there.

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Played a game if 8th today, Ultramarines vs. Yiffs.
Decided to take a bunch of charecters since it seems like their using bonuses is what will define good lists this edition.
No mercy, I got first first turn
Highlights
>grimnar, some yiffinators and a land raider taking 3 turns to beat a 6 man bike squad
>calgar BTFOing a ten man termie squad by himself
>20 tacs, sicarius, 5 vangaurd, 3 gravcents and an apothecary all piling in to attack a termie squad, killing all but the serg in one round, and then spending the rest of the game locked in combat
>ironclad dreadnought is a beast
>bjorn got anhilated turn one by a lascannon razorback, rolled all 6s for to hit, to wound and damage.

All in all, it was fun. Centurions with an apothecary is absurdly powerful, as are their missle launchers. Also, I have to say I like the way how rather than using everything to buff a single character like in 7th, now it's characters who buff units around them. Makes for a more fun and interesting game IMO, and is more rewarding of unit placement, tactics and strategies.

How is everyone else enjoying 8th?

>>53642071
Are they going to slow it down more than austically moving 200 boyz will? Even if GW made these rules go much faster, the tilt towards infantry is going to make games very slow.

>>53642070

Farsight aura buffs to reroll 1's to hit every phase for every unit type against orks.
Rest of Enclave characters dont exist

What's the deal with custodes not being able to deep strike anymore?

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I want to make a Tzeentch daemon army because I like dominating psychic powers and also the new daemon models.

Problem is I also really like Slaanesh and the darker/spiker Chaos aesthetic, which Tzeentch trades up for more technicolor octopuses. Also Slaanesh has better lightning CQC.

Any ideas on how I could incorporate some Slaaneshi crunch and visual elements into my army without losing psychic bonuses or over-complicating the looks?

>>53642090
Buy some movement trays. How selfish a cunt do you have to be to move 200 models individually damn.

>>53642068
Yep, it's why I've found snipers to be so important this edition.
Tellion+sniper scouts in cloaks taking out a commisar and then letting devs, cents, termies or ass cannon razorback mow down blobs is a winning combo based upon what I've played

>>53642103
GW literally has no fucking clue what its doing.

>>53642076
Good, just keep in mind Archons are probably the weakest of the HQs long term.

In 8th, when the points per model says (does not include wargear) does that mean it doesn't include the default wargear or that it doesn't include wargear that is in addition to and/or swapped from the default?

>>53642111
I'll just shove my boyz forward because I'm not an asshole. My point is just that between orks, nids, guard and gsc massive armies are going to be a thing and the games will be slowed down by anyone who thinks they can get an advantage out of individually moving their models.

>>53642070
We only have rules for Farsight himself, we haven't yet gotten rules for the Enclaves and their unique options. We'll likely get more info when codices release.

>>53642136
Does not include any wargear, so you have to go and buy the wargear it requires you to buy.

>>53642105
Disregard slaneeshi whores, aquire pink horrors.
Seriously, tzeentch master race, smite spam plus flamer rubrics is a far funner and better combo than abhorrent multi-god lists

>>53642089
The furfag is a retard for not spamming Wulfen and Thunderwolves. Those things have literally no weaknesses.

>>53642144
Thanks for the clarification.

>>53642096

>Farsight aura buffs to reroll 1's to hit every phase for every unit type against orks.

I want to see that in action with a Stormsurge or a Sky Ray.

>>53642043
But it's one of the best special rules in the game and can be used every turn
>>53642053
Except when it's accompanied by tyrant guard that take its wounds on a 2+ no matter what's shooting it

>>53642090
>he can't move 200 models faster than his opponents can move their three models
It's like you don't actually play a horde army

>>53641952
Bubblechukkas are awesome
You're forcing your opponent to take part in their own demise.
If a unit is ruined by it, they can't help but feel they made a bad decision
Brutally Kunning

>>53642162
6'' range limit thought I think, so gonna need to keep things close-ish unless farsight is chilling in your backline

>>53642136
No wargear period. You have to lookup the points for all of them. If its meant to be included it will be 0 points on the wargear list. That said, you only have to pay for your final wargear loadout. Not for anything you dont have anymore becuse you swapped it out.

>>53642150
He did bring a unit of wulfen, but they were in a land raider which my bikes charged and surrounded turn one in his deployment zone, making them unable to do much since by that point most of his army had been wiped out.

Also, it was just a fun test game, neither of us brought extremely powerful lists.

so besides snipers is another way to eliminate characters?

>>53642145
what do you have against whores? not like the tzeentch daemons can pull their weight in combat now

>>53642105
i'd get some seekers and possibly a slaanesh herald on steed or chariot though idk how they do yet

>>53642168
see
>>53641807

>>53642111
Stop trying to force this movement tray meme, not everyone is shit at moving their models.

>>53642181
Seriously though, those things are insane. I wouldn't recommend playing competitive against anyone who fields them.

>>53642194
genuine autism

>>53642189
Ass ass ins

>>53642194
this might be the worst post on /tg/ right now

>>53642189
>besides snipers
If they aren't bubblewrapped you can just fly an airborne unit as close as possible to them and blow them off the board. Horde armies will have the easiest time protecting their characters, which is probably best because it looks like they really need those auras.

>>53642189
Some psychic powers can single out characters. Otherwise you have to either shoot the bubblewrap or drag the character into melee.

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>>53642194
>look everybody i said meme
>this idea people have been using for decades is bad because i said meme

>>53642190
awesome so you assign the 1s first
Thanks m8

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Reminder that the AdMech are fans of Rush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3Dju2i4FZw

>>53642194
kys

>>53642189
Charge/pile in/consolidate into them. Flank them if they dont have a screen in the rear. Hit the with certain psychic powers. Chew up their screen until theyre exposed.

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>>53642194

Thoughts on the Sporocyst? Is it efficient?

>>53642189
>what do you have against whores? not like the tzeentch daemons can pull their weight in combat now
They're the most uninspired god (dude sex LMAO), the fanbase is the most annoying by far (dude, sex and degenecy LMAO. Now let me spam the thread about how traps aren't gay and all my sexual exploits, because a Mongolian throat singing forum is the place for that) and I'm not a huge fan of the models.

Plus anyone who encourages anything but mono-god is a fag.

>>53642105
flamers of tzeentch are also amazing now that you can have them shoot into combat

>>53642242
>most intelligent human faction
No wonder.

>>53642233
Movement trays are bad for 40k as you have to keep taking them off it to either fit in terrain or fight properly in close combat.

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So im sorta lost with the whole Primaris thing, whats going to happen with chapter exclusive troops? Like will we ever see a deathwing knight primaris?

>>53642037
No, that's basically a chaos Razorback

>>53642204
Oh yeah, most definitely. I'm still working out the best way to deal with them as regular Astartes. Besides fielding guilliman that is.

>>53642211
>>53642215
>>53642233
>>53642250
>>53642254
>being this upset because you're trash at moving models
Lmao

>>53642240
see
>>53641879

>>53642090
Just shove them all as one big blob and then fix any that fell over real quick. Templates are gone so spacing doesn't matter.

>>53642190
That post assumes that there is a 1 rolled, which only happens ~48% of the time. It also assumes that the Ork player is stupid and lets his opponent assign the 1 instead of assigning it first to deny his opponent. Bubblechukas are very swingy units, if you're assuming an equitable distribution of numbers, which you should not because rolls are independently distributed, then the decisions will look mediocre. But turn that into something as simple as {3,2,5,6} and all of a sudden your opponent has a conundrum on their hands. Take 2 or 3 bubblechukkas and you should expect that about once per turn you get a great set of rolls to really fuck somebody's day up.

>>53642105
Play both. Mono-god daemons are going to be real bad. Paint them with a cohesive color palette and they'll tie together just fine.

50x Conscripts + Commissar = 180pt
11x Khorne Berserker w/ Chainaxes = 187pt

Two berserkers down to overwatch, remaining attacks kill 13 conscripts twice, 24 remaining conscripts kill one berserker fighting back. One conscript gets blammed.

23 / 50 conscripts survived, 8 / 11 berserkers survived. Without the commissar, conscripts test battleshock at 1d6 + 26 - 4, wiping the unit.

>>53642293
>where do you assign it
Depends upon the unit you're shooting at. If you're firing at a vehicle you might as well assign it to S since you'll be wounding on 6's anyway. If you're firing against infantry you could put it on damage.

>>53642265
>Plus anyone who encourages anything but mono-god is a fag.
My Iron Warriors may be autistic, but they're not fags god dammit.

>>53642312
So what happens turn 2?

>>53642130
I'd love to get a Lelith Hesperax etc too.
It'd be basically to start with, as I've only got Dangles from Dark Vengeance and the wyches so far.

>>53642265
>Now let me spam the thread about how traps aren't gay and all my sexual exploits, because a Mongolian throat singing forum is the place for that
So much this. Holy shit you're mentally ill we get it, now shut the fuck up already.

>>53642282
After they get rid of the current marinelet stock, probably.

>>53642282
It's hard to tell.
Some people think that Primaris are going to phase out marinelets entirely, others are saying they'll just be a new type of unit for existing marine armies.
Only time and sales figures will tell.

How do the heavy weapons look on tactical squads?

>>53642282
>that banshee jumped straight into the maw of a maulerfiend
Rip in pepperoni (see what i did there)

>>53642076

The DE SC! Box is arguably the best box in terms of usefulness. You can stick 2 squads of Kabalites in one raider, blasterborn and 5 kabalites + Blaster in the other, and then have 6 Reavers fuck around. You can also take an under strength unit of Kabs AND Trueborn, and stick 2 blaster Archons in the raiders.

>>53642320
Conscripts fall back, berserkers charge again and kill everyone at the cost of one or two berserkers.

>>53642364
Even with a commissar?

>>53642347
No clear winners or losers. Pick your favorite or what complements the rest of your army.

>>53642178

>gonna need to keep things close-ish unless farsight is chilling in your backline

Might not be a bad thing given that charge from Deep Strike is a thing now.

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Post your 8e shopping lists

>>53642371

Even with a commissar they're all dead, then commissar is next

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>>53642265
a tad unfair but i'll bite, there's more to slaanesh then sex and drugs. the problem is they haven't bothered to do much about slaanesh and they pretty much buried her. sigvald (whfb character but slaanesh still) is an interesting character about more then just sex

GW wants to protect their IP so doing victorian creepy horror and some dorian grey elements would work well without completely killing slaanesh

>>53642364
>Conscripts fall back, berserkers charge again and kill everyone at the cost of one or two berserkers
But you can't overwatch if you fall back, right?

>>53642347
All are good. Pick whatever you like the most or fits the fluff the best.
My blood ravens have been running a 10 man squad with a serg with powerfist, heavy bolter and flamer in a rhino and been doing quite well, which is the first time in a long time that I've been able to say that. 8th, at least for marines from what I've played, is balanced enough that any option is viable.

>>53642189

Tyranid harpies can pick one unit they flew over in the movement phase and drop a spore mine on them. It's only on a 4+ though.

>>53642371
11 berserkers down to 9 on the charge kill 26 conscripts. 9 berserkers down to 8 on the charge kill about 23 conscripts, which is enough to wipe the unit. If one of the conscripts survives the commissar shoots him. The unit is either gone or down to one or two guys.

>>53642391
You can, you're only prevented from shooting the turn you fall back.

>>53642394

are they really your blood ravens or were they gifted?

>>53642283

I find it funny that a chaos pred can have:
>Autocannon
>pair of heavy bolters
>combi-weapon
>havoc launcher

That's 2d3+6+1/2/4/d6+d6 shots.

>>53642380
>not buying from the chinamen

I have 3k points of WAACy tyranids waiting for me.

How do I make the most out of battlesuits?
My commander needs a bodyguard.

>>53642388
He'd be fine as a god of six of the seven deadly sins (wrath being khorne of course). Would still be interesting without attracting so many attention-starved homosexuals.

>>53642312
Put a priest in there and fix bayonets, and it might be a good bit closer. No idea how much, too tired to do the math. The fact that the conscripts don't just straight up die gives me some confidence that melee guard could be viable against non dedicates melee. Units.

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>>53642380

Haven't got much else, yet.

>>53642373
>>53642394

Sounds good, I have a few missile launchers which I may use.

For context my squads both have a combi and plasma gun.

>>53642388
And here we are, another thing I hate about slaneesh: "muh it's so much more than sex and drugs"
No it's not. GW does fuck all to charectize it as such, the players don't do anything to get rid of that notion and the fluff supports that notion the majority of the time.
The only time you fags ever say "but it's so much more" is when someone calls you out on it, the rest of the time it's "dude sex and drugs LMAO"
At least fucking own your god. Khorne players aren't afraid to scream about violence like spastics, tzeentch players don't deny the "just as planned" stuff, nurglites don't live down the fact that it's all about disease and decay.
Only slaneeshis, when confronted with how vapid their god is, become defensive, when they don't act like it's anything more any other time.

>>53642417
Noted.

How would you feel about converted, counts-as flash gits. I haven't played in a really long time and I still have some flash gits that I made from back before they got official models, but now that they do have models I don't know how people would feel about me showing up with converted boys with big guns and saying "yeah those are my flash gits."

>>53642427
>being a waacfag
I'm just looking to bolster my swarm, you know, like a normal nid player

>>53642292
>moving models is a skill
I miss fantasy, it made moving 40 guys at once easy as shit.

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rate please:
I don't know what to fill my 1 point with.
I will in future replace the missile pod commander with an xv84, would it be better to remove the coldstar and gun drones and replace them with a full crisis team for now?

>>53642391
Some units have a special rule that lets them shoot after falling back

>>53642457
Libre Chaotica had tons of info on Slaanesh, but is a tad old and so forgotten b y most people.

>>53642466
Friendly games, only assholes are gonna care.
Tournaments? You're probably not fine.

>>53642443
Missle launchers are a good choice. I know frankie and reece said in the 8th Q&A they think they're one of the best weapons we have, and seeing as they're playtesters I'd imagine they know what they're talking about.

Have fun, my battle brother from another primarch.

>>53642457
Not him and not a faggot, but slaanesh really isn't just about sex and drugs, but excess of all flavours. If you think it's just sex and drugs you might be retarded.

>>53642457
lol cry more nerd bitch, sex and drugs are awesome

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>>53642328
>>53642342
Would be sweet if they did. I plan on starting up a Primaris army, and would love to go DA if or when they get more Primaris models. Might just go Spess Sharks in the mean time seeing as I love them as well.

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>>53642501

May the Emperor be with you.

>>53642457
Except Lucious directly contradicts your example. Hell, read the Black Crusade Tome of Excess, it's full of examples.

>>53642467
>not wanting to have a huge swarm that can take the biomass of whatever enemy it comes against

Enjoy starving.

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>mfw rolled four 6's for my bubblechukka and killed a knight in one volley

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>its another "thread is ruined by slannesh and anti-slannesh faggots" episode

>>53642053
So is every other hive tyrant.

If slaneesh is the god of excess, does that mean if you kill a lot it empowers shglu?
If you plan so much your life is devoted to memes, does that not also empower slaneesh?
If you gain satisfaction from rot, are you not feeding undefined gender?
Sneakiest chaos god.
>even procreation in the name of the emperor gives more power to whatever the hell slaneesh is.

>>53642469
Fantasy didn't place importance on squad composition and placement though, just move two blobs towards each other, plus a handful of models in the entire game that actually DID care that weren't on trays anyways. Fuck off.

Do units have to share all faction keywords with each other in the same detachment, or just one?

That basically makes any imperial army just one giant blob if it doesn't.

>>53642417

The rules say "a unit that falls back also cannot shoot later that turn" And overwatch is treated as a regular shooting attack, which you are not allowed to make if you fall back.

>>53642549
>not already owning a swarm of bugs before the leaks
It's like you WANT to be ousted for being a faggot

>>53642597
You don't shoot overwatch during your own turn.

>>53642581
rank width was important, wheeling around to charge flanks was important.

>>53642467
>normal nid player
Why are people tauting this like it's a good thing?

Repostin' this list for any thoughts


Jump Lord - 93pts
Jump Lord - 93pts

10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren - 270pts
10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren - 270pts
10x noise marines w/2x blastmstr, 8x sonic blster, 1x dsiren -270pts

10x cultists w/auto pistols and brutal ccw - 50pts

5x terminators w/combi-meltas and power axes - 275 pts

3x rhinos w/combi-bolter,havoc launcher,combi-plasma -98pts

1x land raider w/twin heavy bolter, 2x twin lascan, havoc launcher, combi-plasma - 382 pts

total 1997 pts

The game plan is to have the lords hang out (or strike in) near everything else to grant their aura to all the units nearby while those units shoot the dogshit out of everything.

I'm not sure if the list will deal with heavy threats very well, I've got the land raider and the termies with meltas for hard targets but everything else but the blastmasters on single is just dakka.

>>53642590
They must all share one keyword, and yes Imperium is basically one giant blob army. But keep in mind that most auras, transports and friendly psychic powers only work on a much smaller subset of that larger faction.

>>53642578
Every chaos god more or less feeds the other. Slaneeshis kill a shit ton of people in highly violent ways, ans many of them become obsessed with battle, which feeds Khorne. Nurglites find hope in the embrace of their god, which ironically feeds Tzeench.

>Supersonic Aircraft only a -1 to hit

God I'm going to love hitting supersonic aircraft with Pask's new Demolisher Cannon.

>>53642581
Character position did matter, they could be sniped by warmachines.
You also had to balance sustainability, frontage, and manouverability.

>>53642576
Why don't you fucking idiots understand how tyrant guard work and how they can be used to make the swarmlord the best HQ in the game

>>53642380
Rebuilding my army after I sold the old one but...

2x Mrk III armor squads
1x Contemptor Dread
(Both plastic GW kits)

2x Forge World Legion Lascannon bits off ebay
3x GW Mrk III marines with FW flamers

>>53642643
Instead of insulting us, enlighten us.

That way, you can be both correct AND useful.

>>53642643
and have that unit + swarmlord cost over a quarter of your army. you're basically building a knight.

>>53642553
>things that didn't happen

>>53642617
I did it out of shitposting desu, not gonna skirt around it, but it usually seems to be referring to whatever party the poster belongs to, those being: pre-leak nid players or post-leak waacfags

Guard Bros, what Leman Russ have you been taking for Pask now that the Paskisher is dead?

>>53642676
Looted.

>>53642553
That's highly improbable from a mathahmmer perspective. Either you're full of shit, or you made a one in a million roll. Because even 6 S:6 AP-6 D:6 shots won't down a knight with ease, esspecially at BS:4+

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Top Tier:
Tyranids/GSC
Dark Eldar
Necrons

High Tier:
Orkz
Imperial Guard
Eldar
Thousand Sons

Mid Tier:
Space Marines
Space Wolves
Dark Angels
Blood Angels
CSM
Death Guard
Slaanesh Daemons
Khorne Daemons
Tau

Low Tier:
Nurgle Daemons
AdMech/Skiitari
Sisters of Battle

Trash Tier:
Grey Knights
Deathwatch
Imperial Agents
Tzeentch Daemons

>>53642655
Not like it fucking matters, you can still take 300 hormagaunts with the other three fourths

>>53642676
>the Paskisher is dead
It's not

>>53642049
You're absolutely right.

Khorne: +1 S
Nurgle: +1 T
Tzeentch: ??
Slaanesh: ??

Tyranids are outright broken now. Like just spam exocrenes lmao

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>>53642457
>>53642265
>>53642388
Everyone becomes super defensive over their god, if someone says khorne is just about blood and war someone is always there to be like:
>hurr durr martial prowess and discipline

Anytime someone says nurgle sucks and is gross and nobody would want to worship him you get:
>daddy nurgle is nice and funny though he has a sense of humor or some shit so that's a good reason

And with tzeentch I don't know, people generally seem to like tzeentch anyway, or at least not have strong opinions against him.
As a slaanesh supporter myself though I can say that a lot of the defensiveness that we feel is because slaanesh has always been the least favorite god for GW and there's always a little bit of worry about being squatted. And even though slaanesh really is just about sex and drugs, there are other ideas that should be used more, like obsession over the pursuit of perfection and self-improvement, the same way that there are interesting ideas from the other gods that aren't used nearly enough.

>>53642676
Punisher is still one of the only decent russ variants. Demolisher is also good situationally, and battle cannon can be a... decent option. Everything else is a trap worse them the battle cannon.

>>53642719
>Slaanesh: ??
+1'' Movement/Advance

>>53642719
Tzeench: 5++ or +1 invuln
Slaneesh: +1M

>>53642701
Bad list. Orks and IG are Top Tier, Necrons might have to be moved down to High Tier, AdMech are probably High Tier (seriously how the fuck do you have them ranked so low, they are DISGUSTING), Grey Knights are mid-tier at the lowest

>>53642727
>or at least not have strong opinions against him
Just as planned

>>53642726
Spam biovores, you cuck.

Cheaper and technically better.

Black Legion are clearly the most superior chapter. Prove me wrong

So, has the ability to shoot in CC giving plasma pistols, grav-pistols, and the rest new life?

I can't recall the last time I ever saw those things in play.

>>53642068
>>53642120
This is why I like having a vehicle blocking LoS for the characters. I have 3 Commissars and they are screened by Russes and Taurox Primes.

It doesn't fully prevent sniper problems, but helps prevent LoS. I'm sure some faggot will say he can shoot under though, so they'll have to end their movement sideways.

>>53642727
>hurr durr martial prowess and discipline
But he IS all about violence. He just prizes skulls from strong people more, but blood can be from anywhere as long as it was killed in violence.

>>53642763
In terms of sheer numbers, yeah. In terms of quality, probably not so much. Their veterans of the heresy, sure, but they'll recruit just about anyone these days.

>>53642474
Can I get some feedback please?
also I already know i'm actually 9 points under due to gun drones being 8 points, not 10

>>53642735
>>53642740
Noise Marines only move 6"


>Tzeench: 5++ or +1 invuln
Probably 5++ since Rubrics have two special rules while the other Cult Marines have one, it's likely the Favoured of Tzeentch special rule is the Mark bonus.

>>53642727
>their god,
speak for the plebs that are not Undivided

>>53642778
wiki says he's also the god of martial pride and honor

>>53642312
Zerkers are my number 1 target. They do so much damage. Thankfully there are Punishers and Taurox Primes to soften them.

Will there be a mark of chaos undivided? If yes what will it do?

>>53642719
Slaanesh will probably be that free melee or ranged attack in the fight phase that you get when your model is slain.

>>53642763

They're not a Chapter at all. Boom

>>53642676
Pasknisher isn't dead, just reduced. But now that he's basically the games only consistent BS10 character I wouldn't recommend putting him in anything short-ranged. You'll want to protect him!

I'm taking the Battle Cannon until further notice. Combo with the strategic reroll to get more consistant battle cannon results, then add sponsons etc, and you get about 4 attacks average that hit on 2s rerolling, wounds nearly anything on 3s or better, and causes 2 damage average. It's basically still a medium infantry killer but now the major limiting factor isn't blast scatter but a stupid D6 attacks stat.

You could alternatively try the weaker but better AP executioner, but I wouldn't recommend it if you expect to shoot big things: Most big enemies have 5+ invuln saves: Kataphrons, Knights, Riptides, Dunecrawlers, Many Eldar vehicles...and so that extra AP ends up doing jack shit. As it is, the AP-2 on an Sv3 target just so happens to equal their 5+ invuln so you get more damage than plasma unless you overcharge and, well, do you want to loose Pask to plasma vents because he had the audacity to roll double 1s?

So yea, battle cannon. Keeps him at a comfy distance from the enemy, away from deep strikes, with a techpriest to assist.

Is 1850 still going to be the standard points? Or is there talk about adjusting it? I didn't see anything in the BRB, but I might have missed it.

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>>53642701
>Top Tier
>Dark Eldar

>>53642809
I think melee Helbrutes are a bigger threat. Don't even get me started on Heldrakes, they are real fucking dragons now.

>>53642726
>just spam a 228 point model that kills 18 points worth of conscripts or 30 points worth of boyz a turn

Jesus you people are so fucking bad

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>>53642821
>tfw I got btfo

>>53642701
what is so terrible about tzeentch demons? Sure you dont have an endless tide of bodies but all the demons got revamped to have purposes now besides just multiplying

>>53642842
Give me insight on Heldrakes and why they're good my friend.

>>53642807

Doesn't say it on the wikis I'm reading. So whatever wiki you're reading is wrong and dumb.

>>53642832
2000 is the new standard. Tournament organizers were the ones keeping 1850 alive and they are moving to 2k

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>>53642832
new standard is prolly gonna be 2000 points

>>53642857

THEY ARE REAL FUCKING DRAGONS NOW

>>53642701

>Deathwatch is on death watch
top jej

>>53642830
>But now that he's basically the games only consistent BS10 character
I don't get it - can commanders order themselves or not?

>>53642870
WAIT WHAT

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>>53642727
Everyone also seems to forget about the thing after sex and drugs, Rock & Roll! Seriously though, the art and music aspect is a huge part of why I like Slaanesh. Why else would their special unit be NOISE marines?

>>53642842
I think against stuff like that and Zerkers, infantry squads can be good for spreading out and eating charges to make sure the Conscript blobs get the charge off. That way the surviving 20ish can still get the +1 from the Priest and do the fight twice order to do a little more damage before being swept up.

>>53642832
1850 points was always a silly standard game size anyways. It's like "I want to take my 1750 points army, but I also want an extra predator...1850 it is then!"

>>53642859
says it in the first paragraph of the "Warhammer 40k Wiki", and in the overview paragraph for khorne in lexicanum. Generally lexicanum is considered standard.

>>53642814
Nah, that's the the Noise Marine special thing.

Khorne Berzerkers get to fight twice, that's their special thing, while +1 S will be the Khorne mark bonus.

Death Guard get Disgusting Resilience, that's their special thing, while +1 T will be the Nurgle mark bonus.

Rubric Marines get All Is Dust, while the Favoured of Tzeentch 5++ will probably be the Tzeentch Mark bonus.

Noise Marines get the attack one last time after death as their special thing. Mark bonus is ????

I think GW might not know what it is yet because Emperor's Children will be the last Cult Legion to get updated.

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>>53642857
One pic is worth more than a thousand words. They're god-damn character snipers.

>>53642876
Deathwatch are definitely not trash tier. They're probably mid tier

I'm kind of interested in starting with primaris, but there's so much uncertainty in their future releases. Y'know? I'm sure they'll get a lot of stuff but will it cover all bases or will they be intended to work alongside other Imperium models? etc

>>53642919
How is that going to snipe a character exactly?

>>53642919
>2 damage baleflamer
w-woah

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>>53642089
I've played some games and had a good time.Things I've learned.
>the taurox prime with gatling canon is no joke
>scions hit way above there weight class
>orders seam good
>command points are a big deal, turning the tide in both my games
>games don't take as long and it still feels like 40k

>>53642899

THEY CAN ASSAULT IN THE FIGHT PHASE NOW
THESE DRAGONS CAN TEAR THINGS APART
THEY HAVE HELLDRAKE CLAWS AS MELEE WEAPONS

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>>53642900
Fuck I'm a Khorne player and even I think melting the servants of the corpse emperor and their aeldari whores with the power of fucking dubstep is cool as fuck.

>>53642878
It's ambiguous. But ask yourself:
>Does a tank commander who can't tell his own crew what to do make sense?

Pask himself, though, does NOT have the "Can't order characters" rule. And since he is always within 6" of himself, any ambiguity is eliminated at least for Pask.

The was Pask's page is written (it specifically points out that pask can order OTHER tank commander around) seems to indicate that TC's are supposed to benefit from their own orders but the gamemakers didn't want characters like Pask being ordered around by random underlings.

>>53642943
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

TFW I HAVE 4 HELDRAKES

>>53642919
>Hades Autocannons
Such a great weapon on such shit chassis
a shame, really

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>>53642944
THINGS WILL GET LOUD NOW!?!

>>53642952
>hit other flyers on 2s anon
let that sink in

>2x twin autocannon dreads are only 136pts and shoots 8 times a turn at S7/-1/2D

Oh boy, have fun.

>>53642265
This anon gets it.

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>>53642960
THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH

>>53642936
Fly next to the character, flame the hell out of it.

>>53642919
I'm fucked.

>>53642966
Time to go Valkyrie hunting, I suppose.

>>53642966

You bet those talons will be sinking in.

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>>53642960
LOUD AND BLOODY!!
SONIC CHAINAXES WHEN?!?!

>>53642940
I was on the fence about buying another start collecting Scions, but I will do it now.

What list did you run and at what point value?

I've been making dozens of lists trying to see what I like the most. So far things I've settled on using in various lists are

Conscripts 30-50 in size
2-3 Infantry squads to give different weapons and each charges
Scions and Scion command squads
Taurox Primes with Gatling
Punishers
Demolisher
Basilisks
Manticore
Harker
Bullgryn, walking or in Valk/Chimera
Rough Riders
Heavy Weapons Squads
Astropaths for ignoring cover and buffing Conscript saves to 4+ and Bullgryn saves to 1+

>>53642380
God, fuck GW regional pricing.
Rulebook is $90 dollarydoos.

> Newbie building a Blood Angels army

I have like 25 Death Company split up into a bunch of 5 man units. What is downside to keeping squads split up? Especially if doing a ton of jump pack deepstrike at different locations?

Is it just going the fact that you will probably be losing first turn and it may be more challenging to get buff auras on smaller units?

>>53642974
I couldn't have cared any less about any of the slaanesh associated forces when I started playing chaos and now I'm very earnestly excited about the prospect of EC being a prominent faction on the board + the impending fulgrim release and chapter update

Also slaanesh daemons are incredible now so can't wait to have an army of LOUD rhinos advancing amidst a wall of daemonic lawnmowers.

>>53642993
FYI any of the __Gryns can only have 4 in those transports.

A unit of 4 aint doing shit.

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>>53642978
Then charge. We real dragon now.

>>53642282

lel where is that artwork from?

>>53643004

Easier to get kill points in games where that matters. 5 model units are easier to vanish off the table than 10 or 15 model units.

>>53642978
Yes, I'm sure you're opponent is going to see you have a Heldrake on the table and oblige you by leaving a gap large enough for its base between it and the bubble-wrapping units it already wants to be close to in order to share auras.

>>53643015
4 with Power Mauls beat stuff pretty nicely. Turn 1 charges in a Valkyrie. I'm not sure what to use for the walking size. I have 8, so I was thinking 2 units of 4 in Chimeras or walking.

>>53642755
How's biovores better when you can shoot twice with a stationary exo?

I have collected a ton of orks over the years and don't know what to do with them. I never really played much and am thinking about getting back into it. How many of these can make for a good beginning of an army?

>30 slugga boyz, 2 boss nobz, one big choppa one powerklaw
>10 burna boyz, 2 meks
>deff dread, 2 skorchas
>4 killakanz, rokkit launchers, can also give grotzookas
>5 nobz with big choppas, can also give kombi-skorchas
>3 MANZ, 1 kombi-skorcha, can make the other two kombi-skorchas
>10 lootas/flash gitz I made them before flash gitz had models
>painboy
>big mek with kff
>mega armored warboss with kombi-flamer
>3 trukks

>>53642993
Well it looks like valks are extremely good this edition, so hopefully vendettas and sky talons will be good as well, though if the other two get nerfed I'll just all 9 as standard valks.
Also out of the mortar, heavy bolter and missile launcher, which is the best heavy weapons team in 8th?

>>53643054
What happens to units inside a Valk if it is destroyed while flying?

Used to be S10 AP2 hit to them, but now?

Is it just a mortal wound on a 1 for being in a crashing wreck?

>>53643078
on a 1 the model dies, no saves

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>>53641952
How are Admech looking for 8th? I just got about 200$ and a store wide 20% off put aside just to buy models with, and I either want to expand my Admech army, or start a new army.

>>53643004

run them in squads of 8 since you owe a debt to Khorne for bailing you out against the nids.

>>53642701

Grey knights are mid tier, imperial agents are all over the place but frankly primaris psykers are pretty damn good for how much they cost and assassins are all really good.

>>53643062
You get 6 shots for 20 less points that do mortal wounds. When they miss, you get a roadblock that does mortal wounds. They also don't need to stay still and can hide better.

How much damage does he do on average?

Is he worth 340 points?

>>53643071

Mortar teams are the scatbikes of 8E.

>>53642312
You didn't pay for the commisars bolt pistol. 181 points

>>53642764

The fact that they're 7 points on marines and 5 points on guard makes plasma pistols viable as fuck

>>53643095
Doesn't look like it, senpai.

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>>53643095
I swore i put the picture in

>>53643109
:(

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>>53642242

So is the crucible of malediction free for haemonculi?

What moron thought Pentient Engines should be as they are?

Points-wise they make NO SENSE at all. Because it "has" to buy its two heavy flamers. Making it a T6/W7/4SV model that costs 55+40+17x2 points for a lovely total of 129pts. Which, mind you, is almost always better spent on a dreadnought or just about any other imperial walker.

Meanwhile, if you go by Power, it only costs 6 per model...just one less than a standard dread.

>>53642727
>>hurr durr martial prowess and discipline
Except in literally every source Khorne's daemons are called out as being the most hierarchical and disciplined, marching to war in ordered formations and obeying commands from their superiors. Not like other daemonic rabble.

Any thoughts on the new eldar?

I havent looked at any other codexes yet but compared to what you guys are saying it looks like most eldar infantry just doesnt do enough damage to be useful

>>53643089
Nerfed at the moment. Admech players are screaming about how everything's fucked but IMO Admech are mid-tier, just like every other army that's not Tyranids or Tau.

Electro priests got buffed, your robots did too.

>>53643062
Aren't exo meant to shoot armour though or are the best at infantry? I can see biovores being better than zoanthropes at targeting elites

>>53643142
Bloodthirsters are even called Khorne's Generals.

>>53643063
Not a totally unreasomable list. You need more Boyz, but otherwise stick the bog choppa nobz in one trukk, gitz in the next, Burna Boyz in the third. Grab a Weirdboy to toss your meganobz into melee range, have your dreads and Kans grant your boymobz cover in return for making the walkers fearless. The trukks go pick off targets of interest, meganobz kill opponents best unit by being thrown into melee by the weird boy.

>>53643103
why are mortars so good?
I don't own any but I'm about to pick up my first heavy weapons teams and was wondering which one to get as I can't use lascannons or autocannons afaik

>>53643089
Extremely good if you keep the following in mind:
- Rangers are only good to get two snipers for picking off characters in a group of 5 and setting them up on high ground somewhere.
- Ruststalkers are still crap but Infiltrators are still good.
- Onagers are the workhorses, they are absolutely horrifying
- Electro-priests are scary now actually
- Don't take Arc Weapons apparently

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>>53642474
Test and post a batrep, but please have painted Tau.

>>53643071
That's a tough call. On one hand, you always get 9 shots with 3 Heavy Bolters and even on the move 5+ with 9 shots is still good. They also have -1AP which is nice for troops. They are also only 30 points.

Missile Launcher is nice for having both anti-infantry and anti-big options, which is much more useful this edition because like a Lascannon it does D6 damage. Its anti-tank ability vs a Lascannon isn't straight up out classed like in 7th. It's still pretty solid. It's just that the enemy is more likely to not be wounded by it and more likely to get a save off against it. I'd say Missile Launchers are a safe bet if you're in a tournament and you're not sure what you will be facing. Personally I like having separate jobs, so having a squad of 3 Las and 3 Mortars is my solution.

Mortars are dirt cheap like Heavy Bolters at 27 points. The thing about heavy weapon squads is that they are super fragile, so Mortars really shine because they can hide out of LoS.

I'd say go Mortars for heavy weapons quads and Heavy Bolters for Infantry squads. If you have spare points or don't have any Lascannons, take the Missile Launchers.

>>53643089
Onagers are possibly the best vehicle in the game right now.

How's it look? The basic idea is that one canoness hangs out with the blob with the Imagrifier. The Doms get the immolators so they can scout forward and toast shit while the flamer squads share the rhino. Depending on the game, I can also swap them if I need to put 10 meltas into one target while bringing TONS OF FIRE to bear somewhere else.

Sisters Battalion 1000pts
6 CP

>HQ
Cannoness w/Combi Flamer
Cannoness w/Combi Flamer

>Elite
Imagrifier

>Troops
Battle Sisters x15
Battle Sisters x5 w/Flamer x2 and Combi Flamer
Battle Sisters x5 w/Flamer x2 and Combi Flamer

>Fast Attack
Dominions x5 w/Melta x4 and Combi Melta
Dominions x5 w/Melta x4 and Combi Melta

>Dedicated Transport
Immolator with Immolation Flamer
Immolator with Immolation Flamer
Rhino

>>53643142
Too bad we are never shown actual awesome examples. Khorne could be so much cooler if it wasn't rampant BLOOD SKULLS KILL

>>53643093
Are you comparing exocrine to one squad of biovores or two? I don't have the data sheet in front of me

>>53643139

Those Buzzsaws are pretty frightening, too. With 3 Damage standard and four attacks with a 50/50 chance for four more, a squadron of Penitent Engines can tear anything to pieces.

Still, a Dread is probably a better buy, since it has shooty options and is more durable.

Power seems to make more sense for pricing.

>>53642474
You need fire warriors, less marker drones and marker lights. Hell toss the gun drones too. The seeker missile on the broadside isn't going to be effective even with what you had. Drone controllers need to go as well.

If you can fit in 2 small pathfinder teams or 2 4 marker drone units, make your pathfinder teams 3 larger squads.

the target lock doesn't really help your stealth team. If you have more stealth suits, more of them instead of more fire warriors is acceptable.

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>>53643169
Only part of my tau is painted, some of it is still not fully assembled as I'm waiting for magnets in the mail to finish certain units. I'd paint them now but I'm also waiting for gundam markers in the mail since I suck at painting normally
<- pic related my farsight fire warriors.

>>53643179
There is almost no reason to have a squad of 15.

>>53643139

Did you see just how many attacks penitent engines get in melee?

Protip: if they get their 4+ roll they'll wipe a knight in one charge

>>53643199
>there is no reason to shoot twice with 15 bolters

>>53643089

just collect them if you actually like them. stop being worried about whether theyre playable.

If theyre not playable. Which isnt the case. Then eventually they will get good rules and you will not have the slave mentality of whether you can like an army or not based on some dice rolling.


Nids have been trash since 5th/6th and people still played them. Buy and paint and love the models if you really want to. Disregard everything else.

>>53643144

They are just as good as they have always been, Craftworld is more expensive now and Warp Spiders are a bit worse than they use to be.

Ynnari also gives a better universal army rule than regular Craftworld.

>>53643159

48" Heavy D6 STR 4 1 D without needing LOS to your target is great against hordes and hordes are what people think are going to dominate this edition.

What weapons should I be taking on Death Company? I was thinking of doing squads of 5 with 3 power axes, 1 thunder hammer, and 1 plasma pistol. Is this good?

So what's the fluff explanation of strategems? How can every faction now change their fates?

>>53643139
I wonder how much they wanted Power Points to be the norm. It seems like everything is actually a little more in line that way.

So what are people planning to use in their armies to deal with the fact that we are in Horde Edition: Rise of the Grotscript Spam? With pie plates gone, what can reliably blast the fuck out of tons of guys?

>>53642640
Not since 5th edition has the game been so playable.

Flyer spamers BTFO

>>53643238

Better commanding, preparation or tactical response

It's a fucking game mechanic

>>53643238
It was Tzeentch's plan all along.

Is their any list builders made for the leak yet?

>>53643238
Tzeemtch interfered

>>53642701
>Deathwatch
>Trash

I DECLARE EXTERMINATUS!

>>53643156
>more boyz
>weirdboy
Got it. two questions: do I want any shoota boyz or do I stick with sluggas? what's the best way to get anti-tank? almost all my strong anti-tank (S8+) is melee range and not particularly fast.

>>53642701
Never post again.

>>53643245
seekers, lots of seekers. lots of fighting

>>53643238
Imperial and Tau commanders had moments of tactical acumen.

Eldar read the runes of fate.

Tyranids generated useful adaptations.

Chaos had the will of the gods.

Necrons overclocked their CPUs.

>>53642993
>Taurox Primes with Gatling
Ignore. Take autocannons and taurox battle cannon. You can pump lasgun shots like nothing, focus on autocannons for the taurox, add lascannon and melta plus plasma elsewhere.

>>53643252
Some dudes are working on battlescribe, no idea if they finished yet.

Imma play with power points until someone does though...

>>53643250
What better commanding, preparation, or tactical response can make bullets swerve, armor only occasionally stronger, or Necrons fail to come back from the dead...then succeed?

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>>53643245
my horde of bezerkers.

>>53643245

As Eldar, CC. Either through Banshees or Harlequins. I'll have to hack my way through the hordes.

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>>53641952
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByVzaY23LOX-bWp5U1U5TExsYllka1FpaHBUNUQ1ZXA4a2FN/view

Alright everyone, I played my first game of 8th the other day against IG as dark eldar at 1850 and got completely slaughtered. From memory his list was as follows:

Lord Commissar
Platoon Commander
Company Commander
Master of ordinance

2x 50 Conscript squads
3x hwt w/ lascannons

3x Hydras
2x Basilisks
3x Wyverns
2x Hellhounds (inferno cannon)


Pask w/ punisher

Now, the question is how the fuck do you deal with the conscripts and all of the vehicles? It took 12 dark lances just to kill 1 hellhound and 44 splinter shots to kill 8 guardsmen. All the while cover and hiding my units didn't do shit because of all the fucking indirect fire across the entire board. Charging any vehicles was impossible because of the huge blob of conscripts that could just leave cc whenever they please. Also for fucks sake GW why are basilisks able to fire overwatch. I honestly have no idea how to build a list with enough fire power to deal with this guard shit.

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>>53643264
We have arrived, and it is now that we fulfill our charge. In fealty to the God-Emperor (our Undying Lord), and by the grace of the Golden Throne, I declare exterminatus upon the Imperial world of Typhon Primaris. I hereby sign the Death Warrant of an entire world, and consign a billion souls to oblivion. May Imperial justice account in all balance. The Emperor protects.

>>53643194
ok so all I own on top of what's in the list is the following:
- 4 stealth suits
- 1 riptide + 2 shielded missile drones
- 1 piranha with no gun drones as they're part of the squad
- 2 remora drones (waiting for FW rules though with seekers being shit I'm scared)
- 1 Barracuda AX-5-2 (Seeker nerf should be fine for it)

Also I thought more markerlights were better, that's why I'm running 15 of them
>>53643221
if I'm deep striking or putting them in valks as part of infantry squads, which is the best heavy weap?

>>53643285

>can make bullets swerve
"stay down you idiots, you'll get hit"

>armor only occasionally stronger
"face with your left side, your armor is stronger there!"

>Necrons fail to come back from the dead...then succeed
"YOU CAN DOO EET"

>>53643285

It's a fucking game mechanic

>>53643245
>CSM with Chainswords
>Double Tapping SoB Blob
>assaulting with vehicles
>play objective game

>>53643251
>>53643250
>>53643238
Nah, you're all wrong, it's because Khorne cast fist, which means true warriors who wield glorious axes to reap skulls can have an easier time reaping&tearing through the weaklings that use warp-fuckery or ranged "weaponry".

>>53643183
A squad is 108. You can easily take 2 squads for less than an exocrine.

>>53643309

And people didnt believe me when I said vehicles being tanky mattered

>>53643205
>a big sentinel
>somehow getting into contact with a Knight.

Also check your math son. A Pentient will only hit on a 3, wound on a 3, which is saved on a 6. That's a 10/27 chance to wound per hit. Which puts it at roughly 1.48 wounds per phase, which deals 3 damage each. So even if you happily round up to 1.5, it's dealing an average of 4.5 with a 50% chance of 4.5 more aka result of ~6.75 wounds each.
Which means even if 3 get in close contact with a Knight...it may take 2/3rds of its wounds. To bad, however, that almost any shooting from the knight should destroy a single penitent per turn.

>>53643245
Sunshark bombers
Roll a d6 for each unit in a squad (up to 10) (+1 if bombing infantry) on a 5+ it suffers a mortal wound

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IG players - is pic related our new Lord and Savior? It seems really powerful in terms of how many expected wounds it can dish out in a turn of firing. It's among the highest of non-Lord-of-War weapons in the game and it is much less expensive than a Russ if you can keep it alive, so its firepower to points ratio is good. Basilisk seems slightly worse, though still good, but it is cheaper, and not limited to 4 rounds of firing.

Also, is armored company effectively dead in this edition? I've been toying with different lists with a spearhead detachment at 1000 and 1500 points and each time the result seems to lack so much firepower compared to infantry lists I can make:

i.e.:

Pask in Demolisher w/3 Heavy Bolters, Heavy Stubber: 245

Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon, 3 Heavy Bolters: 178 - x2 = 356

Manticore: 133 - x3 = 399

That's 1000pts on the nose and Pask can give an order to each Russ to improve accuracy and hopefully they can protect the Manticores who can rain down serious firepower. But compared to infantry it still seems meh.

Even if you include a squad or two of Veterans and put them in a Chimera (keeping mechanized fluffy) to support the tanks, they get so crazy expensive with that transport that doesn't have much promise in making back its points.

I'm at a loss.

>>53643328
>>play objective game
That's exactly why we're horde edition though. Having more models within range of the objective than your opponent is the new ObSec.

To win on objectives, you have to be able to beat hordes on objectives. To win by tabling, you have to table hordes. Either way you need a way to kill them cost-effectively.

>>53643313

>if I'm deep striking or putting them in valks as part of infantry squads, which is the best heavy weap?

Probably Missile Launchers, for the versatility.

>>53643333
I never cared about biovores in the past. Now I'm thinking of fielding a ton. Those mortal wounds seem awfully exploitable. Am I right in thinking they can be used to plink away at vehicles as well?

>>53643355
referencing this with the manticore:

http://www.3plusplus.net/2017/06/astra-militarum-tank-weapons-40k-8th-ed/

>>53642701
What makes Necrons top and Grey Knights Bottom? I've been having a hard time choosing between those two and am genuinely curious about how they do and what's good about them. Since I'm new and barely know anything about either of them other than what I've looked through the Indexes.

>>53643355
No, son. Our lord and savior is movement trays and a shit ton of infantry.

>>53643309
>Also for fucks sake GW why are basilisks able to fire overwatch.
Holy shit I never thought about this. They should probably remove Overwatch from indirect fire weapons.

>>53643245
Troops are good for once. You only take vehicles if you have some specific purpose in mind for them now.
The bulk of your army should be able to spam tons of shots and/or melee attacks as much as possible.

>>53643355
>>53643355
Mortar teams, anon. 9 points for d6 shots.

Just take mortar teams.

>>53643355
Always thought the Manticore was a decent buy, even in past editions. Now I'm really tempted.

>>53643333
How many shots do you get with two squads of biovores? Are biovores and exocrine meant for two different roles?

>>53643350
Capping it at 10 dice makes it pretty weak since you'll on average only kill 5 chaff guys a turn.

Right now we're all mostly dealing with conscripts and boyz and gaunts but soon there will be Nurgle poxwalkers in the meta, which are always immune to morale instead of vulnerable if you snipe a character/synapse, and have 5+++ FnP. Shit is going to be ridiculous.

>>53643312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEGo41443iI&feature=youtu.be&t=42

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>>53642849
nothing wrong horrors are durable and hold things up while everyone else wreks face people are upset that horrors are 10 points but they honnestly got better for 1 point

>Do you think theyre gonna balance renegades for the loss of the endless host and the purge or are we just fucked and left with better cultists who cant rake "real" chaos marks?

>>53643403

1 shot per biovore.

4+, to hit, miss = spawn a mine within 6 inches.

on a hit/mine explody, 1 is fizzle, 2-5 is 1 mortal wound, 6 is d3.

So 2 squads is basically 6 mortal wounds, usually. Maybe. Or an explosive distraction.

>>53643360

Honestly, I think the problem with hordes is that their biggest weakness, moral, is too easily negated by the armies that can blob most effectively. Conscripts, for example, wouldn't be nearly as hard to kill if commisars didn't make them immune to moral.

Thinking on it, my answer for my Sisters is actually a Vindicare to nuke the Commisar.

>>53643371
>Am I right in thinking they can be used to plink away at vehicles as well?
This is pretty much their only use. 1.5 mortal wounds a turn against infantry is not terribly good.

>>53643355
A lot of our codex is our savior

Scions
Command squads and Scion command squads
Taurox/Taurox Prime
Manticore
Basilisk
Punisher
Heavy weapon squads, especially Mortars
Conscripts
Priests
Commissars
Infantry squads to eat charges and to leave the strong melee unit dead in the water to be charged by Conscripts
Fight twice order for Conscripts

>>53643343

Assuming they get their 4+ off and it was a charge:

24 attacks rerolling to hit (zealot)-21.33 hit-14.2 wound-11.85 get through unsaved, 35 wounds dealt.

Without the second round of attacks it's about 17.78 which puts it right at its lowest threshold for WS/BS

Yeah they will get shot up and for costing as much as the knight shooting them, it's a decent distraction carnifex

>>53641983
It's correct.

Imo you should get a daemon prince instead of the Lord. Cheaper and more useful.

You invested a lot in the Plague Marines but they are the worst cult troops now. I would get more poxwalkers and another Predator.

>>53643423

I think that's most people's answer. Geek the commanders and the grunts go running with enough pepper.

>>53643309
I don't know anything about filthy knife ears, but you need some way to kill the commissars. That's the key to the conscript screen.
After that it should just be a matter of assaulting all the tanks as much as possible.

>>53643421
Not sure if I see biovores being a replacement for exocrine honestly, I think one of each choice is best with the third heavy support being a trygon prime

>>53643423

I love that vindicares and commissars are as useful in game as they're implied to be in lore.

Also does anyone else love that a commissar can execute a primaris psyker when he perils so that he doesn't blow up on friendlies

>>53642845
>>53642755
Exocrines are meant for anti-armor tho.

>shooting a Heavy 12 S7 ap -3 D2 gun at a horde of T4 W1 models

constanza.jpg

in 8th, can you shoot INTO melee?

>>53643487

No

What's the best force weapon lads?

Axe looks promising but is it still unwieldy?

Tell me why this won't wreck.

1986 Points

Super-Heavy Detachment

The Yncarne (1) - 337pts
1 The Yncarne: Vilith-zhar, the Sword of Souls

Avatar of Khaine (1) - 250pts
1 Avatar of Khaine: The Wailing Doom

Wraithknight (1) - 602pts
1 Wraithknight: Two heavy wraithcannons,Titanic wraithbone fists,Titanic feet

Outrider Detachment

Farseer Skyrunner (1) - 178pts
1 Farseer Skyrunner: Singing spear,Shuriken pistol,Twin shuriken catapult

WarlockSkyrunner (1) - 94pts
1 Warlock Skyrunner: Singing spear,Shuriken pistol,Twin shuriken catapult

Windriders (9) - 315pts
9 Windrider: Scatter laser

Windriders (6) - 210pts
6 Windrider: Scatter laser

>>53643499
If you think the axe is unwiedy, you're playing the wrong unit. This is the axe format.

>>53643480
>Also does anyone else love that a commissar can execute a primaris psyker when he perils so that he doesn't blow up on friendlies
That I really like because now it feels more useful.

>>53643432
It's great against units like terminators and lychguard though right? Just like the smite power?

>>53643487
only with pistols

>>53643423
Yeah, I think killing the characters is going to be the biggest answer. As Tyranids I'm not sure what to do since I don't have snipers, it seems my only options are to ally with GSC to grab an IG detachment with some ratlings, or I guess I can just spam termagants to meet them head on mass for mass.

>>53643355
>Also, is armored company effectively dead in this edition?
Maybe not dead but it looks significantly weaker than infantry guard that they probably belong on different tiers.

Hopefully FW's Annihilator will keep my future armored regiment going strong. The Vulture and Vendetta could be really powerful when their rules come out so I'm looking forward to getting a few of those and more Manticores to support my Lemans.

Hey dudes, looking for feedback on my 2k Guard list.

_Spearhead Detachment #1_

HQ - Company Commander 30

Elites - Enginseer 40

-Master of Ordnance 38

Fast Attack - Unit of 2x Scout Sentinels w/ Lascannons 110

Heavy Support - 6x Heavy Weapon Teams with Mortars 162

_Super-Heavy Auxiliary Detachment_

LoW - Stormlord w/ 2x Twin Heavy Bolter, 2x Heavy Stubber, 4x Lascannon/HB Sponsons 534

The Heavy Weapon teams will be embarked on the Stormlord, delivering 54d6 S4 hits per turn. Company Commander will embark as well so as to not die. Master of Ordnance brings a sweet Bombardment, and the Enginseer will help keep the Party Bus rolling.

_Spearhead Detachment #2_

HQ - Knight Commander Pask w/ Punisher, Hull Heavy Bolter, Plasma Sponsons 231

Fast Attack - Hellhound w/ Multi Melta 93

Heavy Support - 2x Leman Russ w/ Battle Cannon, Lascannon 162 ea

-Leman Russ w/ Demolisher, Hull Heavy Flamer, Melta Sponsons 229

-Basilisk w/ Heavy Bolter 8

-Wyvern w/ Heavy Bolter 8

>>53643509

I'm not sure what you mean?

>>53643512
Okay yeah super-tough elite infantry it's good against. Nids seem to have a lot of stuff good against that, though, not as much for slaughtering hordes and tough vehicles.

>>53643181
Huh? Someone else who wants older Khrone? I thought we all died out in 4e.

>GSC lets you take 1 IG detachment per GSC detachment

>auxiliary detachment is -1cp
>fill it with a single GSC unit
>suddenly, have access to a detachment's worth of IG while playing tyranids because Brood Brothers makes you literally ignore the Astra Militarum keyword for the purposes of list creation

Heh.

>>53643486
You don't spam anti-armour weapons because nobody is going to be spamming armour.

>>53642624
This list is all over the place man. noise marines with dsirens and sonic weapons? Why do you have a Land Raider Terminators can finally DS effectively.

CSM are one of the few armies with practically guaranteed 1st turn assaults thanks to warptime.

Why don't you look at how to tie in a multi-assault unit into the list?

.

>>53643510

It only triggers when the primaris dies to perils too, so there's literally zero downside

>>53643499

They're actually all pretty good

All force weapons are damage D3

Force swords are str user have the highest AP at AP-3

Force axes are STR +1 and AP-2, they're the middle ground choice

Force staves are STR+2 and AP-1, not useless and can harm vehicles and monsters but still won't crack 2+ saves super well although they aren't useless

>>53643445
Forgot about Zealot.

Which is a fairly substantial changer in reliability. Regardless, it's a distraction that's going to fall quickly to most things.

A warden would rip them apart if it has a stormspear. Which deals 3.33 D3 wounds and 1.11 D6 wounds.

That and even a standard bolter wounding them on at a 1:9 ratio.

>>53643535
Correct me if I'm wrong but hordes of termagants with toxin sacs with tervigon, stranglethorn weapons and spitters are fantastic against those targets I thought

Why does /tg/ have such a low post limit, while /vg/ has 750?

>>53643568

If it will reliably make your opponent choose them rather than your melta squads in a rhino, it ain't that bad

Plus it's good against you know, not knights too

>>53643564

It's a shame none of the models they sell currently have a sword.

>>53643598
These 8th edition threads go by insanely fast as compared to 7th edition threads.

>>53643599
Just not sure spending 360 points on a single unit of 3 is quite worth it. As much as I love the models themselves. Even if you put 1/2 as a squad that seems costly. But I may just give in and try them out.

>>53643506
Nowhere near enough shots. You'll be drowned in lasguns and/or ork boyz.

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>>53642380
The wierdboy becoming a staple for Orks made me scoop up this happy motherfucker to throw my Warboss and his boys to where my kommandos are hiding for some brutally kunnin Waaagh

>>53643525
I am also considering dropping one of the standard Battle cannon russes for a manticore