Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/:

>>53646620
Waaaagh?

Will the Primaris marines in Dark Imperium be at all helpful towards a Blood Angels or Space Wolves list?

A squad of acolytes all with storm bolters accompanied by a similarly armed Inquisitor holding a back objective. Good idea, or should I give them all plasma?

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>>53646620
Buying some orks in a few hours
For 140 dollary-doos, what should I grab deal?
Was thinking of grabbing a weirdboy and some burnerboys, good idea or nah?

>>53646694
Primarines have limited Fighting options, but if you need guns or objective cappers, they're somewhat okay.

>>53646739
>low model count high-cost unit
>good objective cappers

>>53646620
How good are GSC Acolytes vs Neophytes?

>>53647088
Why did GW make their new units such shit?

>>53647104
They're not really shit, they're just not great. They're mediocre, while everyone expected them to be way better than regular marines, so the difference in reality vs perception made them seem shittier than they actually are.

>>53647104
If the book they just released is anything to go by GW was trying to make it so bolt rifle squads worked together with the special weapon squads in pairs.

>>53647135
It's like they actually tried to balance things so everything is "mediocre" instead of a few really good spammable units.

>>53647175
Yeah but the problem is these guys don't have a defined role. They're just Space Marines with some slightly tweaked numbers, but those numbers tend to be disadvantageous for them compared to regular marines.

do you guys think the synergy between poxwalkers and typhus's passive will be strong? they'd be unshiftable in melee from objectives

>>53646620
So what do you guys think of 8th so far? I remain cautiously optimistic. I'm fine with most units bring simplified and mediocre as long as everything's viable and the cheese is gone

>>53647104
To soften the blow to Marinelet players.

Regarding multiwound weapons what is the correct order of play?

To hit, to wound, roll number of wounds
To hit, roll d6 wound dice

I doubt the Primaris marines will be allowed to stagnate for long, if they aren't competitive you can bet that GW will tweak the points down a bit.

I'd like them to fit into niche roles in wider SM lists rather than be hyper-competitive by themselves

>>53647236
Hit, wounds, save, damage.

>>53647224
The general consensus seems to be positive so far, it's far more streamlined and balanced than 7th

>>53647236
The term is "damage", separate that from "wounds" to avoid confusion.

You roll to hit, you roll to wound, the opponent allocates wounds, he takes his saves, for failed saves you roll damage.

>>53646620
Does anyone actually use electro priests? I never see them in any batreps. Are they any good? Will they be good in 8th? Thinking about starting a Cult Mechanicus army.

>>53647265
They were bad in 7e but they're looking much better in 8e.

>>53647245

Okay that's pretty worrying, makes it hard to justify 25 points on a strength 6 weapon

>>53647265
They were trash in 7th, they are STUPIDLY good now.

>>53647295

Why? My buddy says they're bad

>>53647295
those are the aztechno raver priests with the hellboy rasputin gauntlets and not the rave sticks right? I think it'd be pretty cool to make an assault focused list admech with them and skiitari vanguard

>>53647334

Your buddy is shit and has probably played less than 10 games, if he's even played at all.

>>53647334
Has your buddy seen the brand new rules or is he still thinking of 7th edition?

>>53646620
Does this game look fun?

I used to play as Eldar way back until the the 6th ed book came out, but they became really boring to play, much too point-and-click-to-win for my liking. Also fuck all those giant toy robots.

How's the new edition looking?

>>53647350

He's been playing since he was 12 and is now 29.

>>53647353

He has a tendency to be stuck in the past (constantly quoting
4th/5th edition as the good old days). Why are they good? Explain it to me

>>53647365
We're talking about 8th edition you clueless mong.

It's a completely different game. It is literally just now coming out. All the rules are different. Everything is different. Your buddy doesn't know shit about it apparently.

>>53647372
in 7th they could use canticles of the electromancer to get like 9 attacks each in assault with the ability to shoot on top of that

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Do warp talons get 3 attacks?

>>53647372
Mortal wounds! Mortal wounds everywhere!

>>53647397
I think so.

>>53647397
This is the same argument Tyranid players are having about scything talons. The consensus is no, it's just +1 attack. The wording is bad but will probably be FAQ'd very soon.

>>53647397
Yes, until the FAQ says no. Fortunately the game isn't released yet, so we can have fun debating leaks for awhile

>>53647397
No, I'm fairly sure they don't

>>53647423
What would be the point of dual wielding if they didn't get the extra attack?
Neara s I can tell Lightning Claws and Chainswords are the only things that benefit from dual wielding though.

>>53647386

Easy on the hostility friend! I know we're talking 8th I thought you meant in general he hasn't played any games.

>>53647454
Because dual-wielding is the only way to get the extra 1 attack. It doesn't go from +0 to +2.

Is it generally allowed for someone to proxy a similar looking model as a special character? For example, if I were to proxy the Dark Vengeance company master as Azrael, since Azrael's official model looks like shit.

>>53647473
>each time the bearer fights with this weapon he gets +1 attack
Actually I think we're both wrong, the fight phase section in the leaked rulebook states you dedicate attacks from the models amongst their weapons, so it is only +1 attack for standard Warp Talons since they can only dedicate the attack to one Lightning Claw, Champion has two attacks though so he can dedicate one to each claw and get +1 for each attack right?

>>53647487

You're not required to use a character's official model. As long as the replacement model is reasonable, such as the proper base size, wearing the same armor type, has the proper weapons, etc. it's fine.

>>53647487
It's down to who you are playing against and where. Personally I have never really encountered any problems with proxy models. As long as they are about the same size, look warhammer'ish and it is clearly stated before the game what that particular model is proxying for.

>>53647497
>>53647503
Well they both have the exact same wargear and have incredibly similar looking helmets so I guess it's fine.

>>53647372

There's no point in explaining to you why they're good because if you can't tell from first glance, you clearly haven't even attempted to learn how the new edition works.

That's like trying to explain to someone why rain is wet when they refuse to touch water.

>>53647397
It says he has two, and each one says they grant 1 additional attack with this weapon. So if this and that weapon both add an additional+1, sure.
Just remember you're paying for two claws and not one on the unit price

>>53647494
The wording is a bit obtuse, so I'm going to come down on the side of "maybe, probably not".

>>53647494

If you read the index leaks, the lightning claw entry changes to "if the model has two lightning claws they make make an extra attack with them", or something like that.

>>53647511

I don't play whatever army uses electro priests, I remembered my friend saying "they've failed with this edition, electropriests are still shit" and thought the wise minds of tg could elucidate the subject for me.

>>53647397
Yes. They specifically have two lightning claws.

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Prepare to get your skulls reaped, filthy xenos and corpse-god worshipers.

>>53647523

So you haven't even bothered to look at electro priests yourself yet you refuse to believe people who have just because they contradict the opinion of your admittedly negative and nostalgic, and most likely completely shit at the game friend.

Thanks for telling us things we already knew.

>>53647533

I never contradicted you! I simply asked why are they good adding that my only source on the matter was a friend who said they were bad, I was genuinely only asking for a snapshot of what makes them good and adding conversation to the matter. Why are you so angry friend?

>>53647516
It is worded in an odd way.
>>53647522
I just checked the back of the Chaos Index for the Lightning Claws entry and you're correct, wonder why they worded it like that for Warp Talons though, it's pretty odd.
So 2 attacks for Talons and 3 for Champion, cool.
Chainsword still does it's cool thing thankfully.

>>53647295
Eh, they still have to get into combat and I'm not sure how much more durable they are now compared to 7th. Their weapons are much better but until we actually get a transport I'll have to see them reliably getting into combat before I believe they are stupidly good.

>>53647397
Yes. They make one additional attack with each lightning claw. The wording is extremely specific and any retard who says otherwise is a moron who needs to stop playing anything but narrative play

Is there any reason why you'd take blasters over dark lances on scourges? Aside from the extra 20 points a squad.

Also, why would you pay 30 points for a disintegrator over dark lances? I don't get it.

>>53647578
Considering they only have one attack base?

No. No they do not. Read the actual rulebook before casting stones

Does Chaos or Orks not suck now?

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>>53647578
>The wording is extremely specific
>GW having good wording even if they try

lol

>>53647616
Orks are hella good, Chaos seems to be solidly middle of the pack

Any ideas on where to take a dark angels list that's using the shit from the 7th and 8th edition start sets?

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Since we're on wording, what do you guys think the intent of phosphor weapons in admech is?

They all use the lower profile except the Onager Dunecrawler which has the top one on it's profile but in the wargear list it uses the same one all the other phosphor weapons do.

>>53647578
wut? they have one base attack, you don't get extra attacks if you have 2 cc weapon in 8th and lighting claw add 1 attack, so they have 2. As ork boyz have 3 attack with a choppa

>>53647618
I think the issue is more to do with how the rulebook itself is worded - it needs to be FAQ'd to read "If a model has more than one melee weapon WITH DIFFERENT PROFILES", yadda yadda yadda.

Still, this is one of those little things that seem to be a reason why the Indexes were sent out for general perusal, so that GW can toss out an FAQ on day one of the actual release of 8th

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Not sure if I wanna do close combat Eldar or Wraith mixed shooty/melee in 8th as a new army.
Anybody played 8th with Eldar already? If so, what did you field and how did it play?

>>53647651
No, re-read the warp talon rules. they make an extra attacks with EACH lighting claw, so get +2

>>53647650
Both wordings just say enemy units don't gain a bonus to their saves from cover. They're both functionally the same.

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Welp.

>>53647667
I played against Eldar. 3 Wave serpents constantly flying over my shit to charge and lock my heavier units into combat and their special shields that reduce multi-damage hits by -1 to a minimum of 1 adds a lot to their survivability.

>>53647703
and so begins the Guilliman Heresy

>>53647703
everyone already knew this. stop trying to make it like a big revelation

>>53646694
having used them in some test games, I gotta say the primaris incessors (their version of tac marines) are about on par with an actual tac marine squad, but slightly more powerful. The Hellblaster squad is a fun way to get 5 two wound plasma gun duders running around. Their jump pack interceptor guys are kinda garbage, I'm not sure I understand what their purpose it other than harassment. And the captain. That poor captain. He's kinda garbage.

>>53647691
>"You can re-roll failed wound rolls with this weapon. Each time the bearer fights, it can make 1 additional attack with this weapon"

They have 1 attack base, so you are only assigning a single attack to a weapon. You then gain 1 extra attack with that weapon, for a total of 2.

There is an argument to be made for the Champion having 4 attacks using this particular rules wording, but the fact that the index entry for lightning claws is different implies that the weapon entry for the Talons is supposed to cover BOTH weapons.

Either way, you're objectively incorrect, both by RAW and RAI

>>53647694
One implies only that weapon ignores cover the other is broad enough to mean that if you shoot it, they don't get cover against additional things.

The phosphor luminagen works like the latter in the current codex for Skitarii so I don't know if they are intending it to be a new version of that or simply just phosphor weapons themselves ignore cover.

I mean I'd probably lean toward the phosphor weapons just ignore cover since it just needs to attack to get the benefit, whereas currently they need to wound to reduce the cover against all sources for the turn.

It's a bit vague still and I'm uncertain what their intent is.

>>53647691
no they make an extra attack with a lighting claw evrey time they fight. You have 1 attack, u do it with a lighting claw (not 2) and get one extra attack. stop. you don't fight with the 2 claw but only with one becouse you only have 1 attack base

>>53647397
I want to say that this came up for nids in some faction focus and the answer is yes

>>53647597
They may make an additional attack with their lightning claw each time they FIGHT, that is to say pile in etc in the fight sub-phase. There is no reason only one lightning claw would trigger its ability but not the other.

>>53647423
You're fucking autistic as shit kiddo.

>>53647494
It never worked like that.
Finger crossed for FAQ telling us Talons entry is correct and they have 3A, than They are great, if not meh they are ok.

>>53647742
see you need to READ
> Each time the bearer fights
not
> Each time the bearer fights with this weapon
same with abby's sword

>>53647745
I feel like you're looking too much into it though a clarification from GW would be nice. If it stopped it from getting any bonus from cover it would probably specify "for the rest of the phase"

>>53647703
What did you expect? Something else would have been utter garbage. This had been hinted over and over again as this guy >>53647734
says. It is actually nice to see GW sticking to it. At least they did not fuck up this piece of lore

>>53647768
I do hope the Warp Talons entry is correct I have 5 Talons I'd like to use them as Talons instead of proxying them as Raptors.
Also do Warp Talons benefit from Greater Daemons bubble buffs?

>>53647809
Why yes, yes they certainly do! They have both the keywords necessary

>>53647809
I don't believe so as they don't have the demon faction and that's what buffs look at.

>>53647769
Rly? it's the same in this case. You have one attack, use your lighting claw, get that extra attack with the same lighting claw and nothing else. You fight onece per model per fight phase.

>>53647753
yeah but in the back of the book it clearly states that it's only the case when a model is armed with 2 lightning claws

it's one of those things that needs to be faq-ed
i fully expect it to go the way of 2 claws = 1 extra attack. Untill that point it's open for interpretation however

>>53647742
>They have 1 attack base, so you are only assigning a single attack to a weapon.
If you have 2 difrent weapons you mong, this isnt hard stop making it. If a weapon have special ability to grant u +1A it dosnt matter if you have 3 or 15A.
>>53647753
Same moron here....there was a wepon that give D6 attacks, so if I have 1A base I cant get more than +1A cuz magic?
Untill we get FAQ there is no 100%, Talons might be better at LC or that entry have mistake.

>>53647809
I want them to be good since I dont like Raptors being 1A base. They can shoot with pistols in combat If I got this correctly but It would be just easier to give them 2A base. I dont want to buy PW if I get 1 lousy attack.

Chaos spawn seem pretty good, only 33 points too. How do they compare to possessed?

>>53647265
At least fulgurites looks taaty in the 8th edition.

>>53647852
That's not how it works, dipshit, read the rulebook.

>If a model has more than one melee weapon, choose which ne it will use before rolling the dice. If a model has more than one melee weapon and can make several close combat attacks, it can split its attacks between these weapons

So yes, it does actually matter, if a model has only one attack, it can only assign an attack to one of its weapons.

IF it turns out that the additional attacks are gained without assigning, cool! They get 3 attacks base, and I'll be a happy camper - I want Talons to be good just as much as the next Chaosfag, but the wording isn't clear on it, so I'm going to be assuming the less-amazing interpretation until GW actually FAQ's it.

>>53647890
Much better.

>>53647828
They have the Daemon keyword and you can mark them to align them to a god, so they should benefit from Herald's and other greater daemons.

>>53647913
Yeah you're right they don't seem to discriminate between faction and regular when it comes to buffs.

>>53647872
Raptors are pretty good for the price, they get 2 attacks from chainswords plus pistols, and the Fearsome Visage ability. They won't exactly be winning any awards for best assault unit, but they're good value for points.

>>53647919
I think either it's intended for Warp Talons to benefit from Greater Daemons either for Daemonkin shenanigans or using them in a Chaos army allying Marines and Daemons, or it'll get FAQ'd really quick.

>>53647260
Give it 3 months. Hordes will dominate tables and 8th ed will rear its ugly head.

>>53646697
Save your points bro.

>>53647906
It's pretty god damn fucking clear you retarded sack of shit.

Learn how english works.

So is this the right time to switch to orks and avoid all this skub the numarines are raising?

I will finish my sw army nonetheless but y'know, while the rules are good i don't really like the new models

>>53647909
Woo its finally spawn edition!15 spawns here I come

>>53647890
Unless you're bringing deamons along, go with the spawns.

>>53647703

This makes me wonder about what happened when Alicia and crew visited Big E during Vandire's time. What really has me going is that Big E sent them to end his reign, which leads me to believe that Emps WANTED the sisters to be a thing, especially since he's clearly empowering then and obviously empowering Celestine.

>>53647936
Until the next point balancing.

>>53647945
Yup, I'm fielding 5 of them, myself.

>>53647559
>Just convert for om the AoS khorneflakes.
Might as well do this. If GW ever does a new Berzerkers kit, it will look like AoS anyways

>>53646712
Both good choices, and gives you Loota guns which you can just whack on some random Boyz for more dakka.

I think the best part about 8E is it literally made all the shit units that nobody took/people wanted to take but got punished heavily for taking super good (Harlequins, Electro Priests, Tyranids, Orks, random shitty marine units, etc) and simultaneously made the most hated lists completely impossible or shit (Riptide Wing, Riptides, Eldar lists, Tzeentch summon spam, deathstars, invisibility).

Probably the only offender that got out unscathed is Necrons, although they managed to keep their shit on the down low near the end of 7E, being overshadowed by Tau and Eldar.

>>53647957
Counts as or can they actually use Loota Guns?

>>53647952
> Until the next point balancing.
So mid 2018, at best.

>>53647963
Crons aren't as obnoxious either as they lost the big boosting formations.

>>53647963
GW wants to sell the less popular models. Surprising.

>>53647906
WEAPON GRANTS +1A
Its donst matter how many base A model have.
Thus 2x of this weapon grants 2x A.

Thats math, you are just dumb.

>>53647890
Spawn are the fucking tits.

>>53647703
where's this from

>>53647970
Well, they would just be Lootas. There's nothing special about Loota Boyz other than their guns.

>>53647890
>>53647945

There is just one thing:
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY GIFT OF CHAOS SPELL???
I want to run my old list of Lost and Damned with bunch of wizzards turning everything in to spawns....I want to see again that rage and despair on opponent face when I turn his ripped Tyrant in to hungry mass of flesh.
Dark Gods hear me!

I'm looking to trade an unopend Tourax for some unbuilt gaurd. How many is a good trade? 20?

>>53647986
First Chapter aproved is out at December.

>>53648035
Why are you ditching your Taurox? I haven't looked, but aren't they meant to be good this edition?

>>53648035
Keep the taurox you idiot

How are Dark Eldar going to fare this edition?

>>53647703

It's fine, because the Emperor doesn't see himself as human either. He isn't selfish, he isn't self-preserving or self-aggrandizing or self-seeking. He does what he does for mankind. He holds his Primarchs to the same standards as he does himself. That is why he refused to be worshipped and refused godhood.

>>53648044
>>53648039

I have 2, I built one but I want more guard to use as Vets, I have extra Scion heads that I can use. I just didn't want to fork over more $ for them.

I know everyone is saying hordes will dominate 8e, but I'm not convinced.
>Tyranid hordes are countered by any long ranged weapons that can nuke their synapse creatures
>Conscript and Ork Boy hordes are countered by snipers
Just toss some Ratlings, Scout Snipers, or a couple Vindicares into your list and you'll be fine.

>>53648002
Unless you aren't actually using that weapon. So, say, you get charged. You get 1 attack base, you shoose one claw to fight with and get 1 additional attack from it. If you charge, you get +1 a for charging and split 1 attack for each claw and get +1a for each. We don't get additional attack for two weapons, right?

>>53648068
Taurox primes with gatling are pure gold, trust me and keep it, it will do much more than his points in veterans. I'm looking to buy 5 just to put it in perspective

>>53647703
Everyon know the only thing the Emps cared about was humanity. Space marines are not humans

The only Primarch he actually liked was sanguinius

>>53648047

Relatively well for the most part, however, they will struggle against conscript spam because they don't have mean to snipe off characters like Commissars nor do they have the sheer numbers to efficiently chew through 50 bodies because they always wound on 4+. However, Razorwings have good potential for blasting away chunks of mobs, so maybe we'll start seeing them.

Dark Imperium novel scans pls

>>53648077
Correct, except that models no longer gain +1A for charging

The main point of contention seems to be in the wording of the additional attacks - "Each time the bearer fights..."

Are these gained regardless of if the weapon is assigned to make attacks? We currently don't actually have an answer, though anons are arguing until blue in the face one way or the other.

>>53648077

It's not really clear, but some weapons have wording that seems to imply you get +1A with the weapon just for possessing it, even if you don't swing with it.

GW needs to FAQ and make the wording more universal.

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>>53648076
>tfw no snipers
I know only 1 recourse

>>53648104
>they don't have a means to snipe off characters
Yes they do. Its called a Solitaire.

Is there a trick to the new deployment rules?

>>53648128
Is it "KILL, MAIM, and/or BURN!"?

>>53646620
What's a good secondary colour for a primarily turquoise Space Marine scheme? I liked the look of purple shoulder pads (think Xereus Purple/old Liche Purple) on some test pics, but it's a very "cold" scheme. Only way I could think of to add some warmth was to add reddish-orange details (eyes, purity seals, etc.), but outside of models with capes, the red areas would be so sparse that they wouldn't have much of an impact.

>>53648135
the former and latter
occasionally the middle

>>53648138
White

>>53648138
Gold is nice.

>>53648146
It's always good to have a bit of variety in life

>>53648131
>Solitaire.

[Vietnam flashbacks]

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>>53647531
Meeeh. Get back to me when your models get good, 21st century sculpts.

>>53648138

Turquoise and purple looks like shit

Sometimes the color theory pie lies to you

>>53648128
Did that artist just copy the Khorne Berzerker illustration from the 6th edition CSM Codex? I think they did.

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>>53647531
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6RP6FTXaPk

>>53648166

I used to think the old CSM shit looked terrible but they're growing on me. They would look good if they simply updated the details and proportions to modern standards.

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>>53648128
>>53648185

Calm down, boys.

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Is anyone starting a new faction/army in the new edition? Which ones and why?

What do you think the strongest/weakest armies will be?

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>>53648138
Black and/or gold

>>53648197

Weakest army is Craftworld.

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>>53648131
>Dark Ekdar
>Solitaire

>>53648197
Orks for strongest.

>>53648076
Orks don't care about snipers. Oh no my painboy is dead. I only have 90 more boyz left in your face, whatever will I do?

>>53647996
ah yess
let me just put some rough riders in my chopping cart
oh wait

>>53648197
I'm thinking about ditching my spess wulfs and start collecting an infantry-heavy ork army

Not really planning on playing to win anyway, but i don't really like the primaris models except for the tacticals

>>53648197

>"""""starting"""""

It's more along the lines of "I have a pile of dark eldar that has been slowly growing over the course of a year and now I'm finally working on it for a change" as opposed to starting a new army.

>>53648230
>ditches cheese of the month SW now that they suck for new cheese of the month orks
>not really planning on playing to win

You're not fooling anyone faggot

>>53648227
>He can't kitbash

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>>53648166

>>53648242

Should put those on Primaris legs.

>>53648252
Fug

>>53647950
the worship is empowering , he probably noticed his powers where waning with vandire besmirching the rep of the church
he's rolling with the godhood now, since its what keeps him alive, preforming miracle trough the sisters to keep the faith in him
that's my interpretation anyway

>>53648252
Chest won't fit.

>>53648209
Harlequins were literally in the 5th ed. DE codex. Absolutely nothing stops any DE player from taking a Solitaire. He's their version of an Assassin at the very least.

>>53648242
>that moldline

>>53647936
>Give it 3 months. Hordes will dominate tables and 8th ed will rear its ugly head.
Good.

I'm sick of watching 1800 point games which involve 30 infantry models hiding inside 6 transports, with 4 other vehicles/flyers and some giant fuckoff titan that no-one can even scratch.

3rd edition was the best edition because it was before GW started pushing forgeworld shit into regulation lists.

>>53648252
MkIII or MkIV legs would work well.

>>53648147
>>53648153
I considered white, not 100% sure though. Experimented with gold trims too, which looked good with the purple shoulders, but I was thinking it might be too many colours if I used something like orange for eye lenses too.

>>53648189
I used to think they looked good in the days of the 3.5 CSM Codex, back when I first got into 40K. But they're REALLY begging for an update, since Chaos has moved into a more intricate, organic style with most of its armour decorations.

The current CSM kit looks more like loyalist SMs playing Chaos dress-up for Halloween than actual CSMs now, if you compare them to the Dark Vengeance stuff and new Thousand Sons.

>>53648170
> Turquoise and purple looks like shit

I think it depends on the shade of purple. A darker, more muted purple looks fine, just a bit too cold without something else for contrast. A brighter, richer purple looks like ass though.

>>53648242
Getting there, but feels like a half-done kit to me, especially since it only has one torso style. I hope they do what they've done with the TS and DG and bring Jes Goodwin's old WE designs into the 21st century. Lots of Mk V armour and shit.

>>53648219
Yeah, losing the painboy isn't a huge deal, but losing a KFF, a Banner, a Weirdboy, or your Warboss could all be crippling.
That boy horde is a lot slower when it can't run and charge in the same turn, a lot less threatening without the extra attacks and bonus to hit, and much easier to mulch without the KFF.

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>>53648185
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u78BwNuxD2c

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>>53648192
Why? I will finally be free from bondage

>>53648201
I like the gold, but I was thinking a shade closer to blue, like Sotek Green. FW's Sons of Horus are more of a teal, and the specific shade they use looks like barf to me.

>>53648290
World Eaters should use Mk V, IMO. Like the old Jes Goodwin art.

>>53648119
>Correct, except that models no longer gain +1A for charging
Well, fuck.
But if it states "each time a bearer fights", you get the attacks. Just like Abbadon gets to test if he shanks his own ass every time he fights, even if he only uses the talon.

>>53648197
I have like half an army of almost every faction, but my largest, main army has always been Orks.
I am strongly considering buying into a Primaris army once they get real kits, just because I like the proportions of their models.

>>53648128
I mean. You can "snipe" with the hellturkey. If I understand correctly, you can place it over the models and in a way that leaves an enemy character the closest.

>>53648306
>Mk V
Adds hugely to the cost for minor benefit. III AND IV both have plastic kits.

>>53648197
I want to eventually have 2000pts of the big 4 Chaos Legions (Thousand Sons/World Eaters/Emperor's Children/Death Guard) as well as the Black Legion, using new models if possible. Nearly there on Thousand Sons.

HQ
Lord Contagion

Plague Caster

Elittes
Bell guy

Troops
20 Poxwalkers

7Plauge marines
2xBlight Launcher
Chamion with Paxe, combi-plasma

FA
2x Bloat-Drone

HS
Hellbrute
Fist, Plasma cannon(not sure about that, but I want some anti primaris), Hflamer
This should be under 1k, after geting starter set, and drone +hellbrute form interwebz for nice price. What you think is good setup for hell brute? I think autoccanon might be get go weapon that wont kill him like plasma cannon.

>>53648328
Only if they position badly.

>>53648336
I wonder when the fuck they're going to give Abaddon a new model. Regular CSM codex maybe?

>>53648328
only if they position terribly

>>53648347
My understanding was that Fliers can end their move over enemy models.

>>53648328
His base is huge which makes that challenging if your opponent isnt braindead.

>>53648348
maybe a memorial model when robute kills him in the next CSM codex
this is a primarch's game now boy

>>53648348
Most likely, considering 8th seems to be pushing Chaos as the proper BBEGs again. I expect to see a ton of new plastics for the spikey marines over the next 12-18 months

>>53648360
They cannot.

>>53648364
booty is going to banish mortarion into the warp silly
cant kill abby otherwise the last vestige of threat is kill

>>53647548
He isnt going to spoonfeed some random shitter too lazy to look it up.

What do you guys think the point cost on a Spartan will be?

>>53648384
Somewhere around 500 is my guess. More than a land raider, less than the superheavy tanks.

>>53648269
Pls go butcher fluff somewhere else.

>>53648368
Think that regular CSM squads will get an update? Primaris make me doubt that loyalist Tacticals will get a new kit ever again, but CSMs are still the old-gen Marines.

>>53647487
The proxy you're proposing is a very common one.

>>53642427

Who's this chinaman?

>>53648399
Perhaps? Cult troops are no-brainers, but CSM, Havocs and Bikers are all fairly old kits too. I certainly hope they get updated

>>53648197
Admec because I have always loved their digs. Got one starter kit almost painted, when I get the tank done I'm gonna go grab another.

>>53648397
I hope its that high, it looks like it'll be a monster and I am hoping to field a small elite team (small enough for all to fit in there +some deep strikers)

>>53648305
Who is this reffering to?

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>>53648364
I would be fine with them killing him off. It's about time chaos received an overhaul/new face. Abbadon sucks.

>>53648398
>butcher fluff
The Solitaire shows up and does his own shit for his own reasons. What fluff is getting butchered here exactly?

>>53648413
I think they will all get updated along with death guard model releases. A lot of the old kits are not even for sale or out of stock on official GW sites so it seems like a good indication.

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Why are transports so clunky? If I want my archon to ride I either give him his own venom or bring him with a 9 man unit?

>>53648413
>Bikers
Arguably the most tragic models in the CSM range at the moment, if only for the sheer lack of variety. Even mixing in parts from the CSM kit doesn't do much to make them look interesting.

Havocs could probably be given a mutual sprue or two with regular CSMs, plus separate heavy weapon sprues, to knock over two birds with one stone. Just like how the AoS and 40K Tzaangor kits have a sprue or two in common.

>>53648435
Taking clown in to every single DE list.

>>53648412
A lesser warp entity. He shares the gift of cheap miniatures at the cost of your immortal soul and hard earn $$$.
>>53648428
You mean the tree? Don't know. A trapped mortal or punished daemon

>>53648440
Tons of shit is out of stock. You'll know its going down for real when stuff shows up on "last chance to buy."

>>53648454
How may I find this entity? This damned god of cheapness?

>>53648447
>Yvraine actually looking bangable, and not like Tilda Swinton's Eldar cosplay
I'd ask if she's up for making a new Ilyan Nastase, but I'm an ass-man, so probably wouldn't happen.

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>>53648348
Hopefully soon. Abaddon is my favorite character and reminds me a lot of Megatron.

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lmao at anyone complaining about being stuck with shitty outdated kits
you know nothing of suffering

>>53648448
I managed to source some of the old metal side-scythes and fronts, and used them with the plastic kits. They look pretty sweet

>>53648447
Thats how it's always been. You could give him a five man unit of Incubi for the Venom.

>>53648447
The new rules for passenger instant death means it's a real liability to put an expensive HQ alone in a transport without mooks to allocate those 1s to

>>53648451
Taking a temple assassin in to every single Imperial list.

>>53648372
>the new model is instantly going to banished to the warp
yeah i don't think so
>>53648434
i'm happy the chaos primarchs are coming back
they're actually likable in a certain way

>>53648458
Knowing the New Games Workshop™, we'd probably learn about new CSM kits before even that happened.

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>>53648470
Sure thing, Anon.

>>53648470
That sucks, but you're playing orks, can't you just make your own from scratch/scrap

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>>53648473
You can't? A Venom only fits 5 people.
>>53648475
Am i misunderstanding the rules? If it's a venom,.only court of archon dudes can join him correct?

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>>53648491
>>53648470
Ha HAA

>>53648470
Those crew look even older than the fucking Gorkamorka Ork models. Urgh.

I guess you got access to non-shitty Deffkoptas again with the Vedros stuff, so that's... something?

>>53648412

There are many. I've personally used:

>MI
Fairly cheap with good quality. She's a good fallback and is really easy to order from. A solid choice.

>Z
Usually who people refer to when talking about Chinaman. He's cheap with a HUGE selection. When he's good, he's solid. When he's bad, it's unusable. I'd say you have a 25% chance to get something shitty. My biggest surprise from him was actually my Avenger. I was really worried about, but so far it's actually amazing aside from some minor detail spots.

>LF
Not actually china, but definitely solid. I really like what I've gotten so far, though they're a little more pricey. It gets cheaper the more you buy, and i haven't put in a big order from them yet. Mostly just shoulders.

>Sylvia White
So-so. I can't say much from her, but the Dreadclaw I got on ebay was apparently hers. It was cheap, though had some mold slippage.

>Alpharious
Legit amazing. Custom service is great, and his catalogue is growing every day. Shipping was much faster than the others, and the quality was frankly amazing. His prices are very good, too. He's also has old school Raptor jump packs, and is the only one who does that I've seen besides Z.

>>53648458
I'm still holding out hope they'll redo Guard. Their models are so shitty and GW could make absolute bank from releasing new ones.

>>53648464
In the hidden archives of /tg/, past the quest generals and kitsune characters you will find a tome written in blood and bound with infant hide. This tome contains the blasphemous ritual to summon him and his catalogs of cursed goodness

>>53647742
It never says you need to activate the weapon to get the bonus attack. It literally says when the bearer fights, they can make 1 additional attack with this. Hence, if they had twenty lightning claws, and if they fought, each lightning claw's rule would trigger and the bearer could make 1 bonus attack with each of his 20 lightning claws.
It's obviously not supposed to work like this, but it's phrased the same way as a dataspike, which last edition explicitly did not require you to use it to get the bonus.
GW rules writing everyone.

>>53648269
And now they're not. They don't have the same faction keyword nor do they get faction buffs.

>>53648482
Unless you play Inquisition that is heresy.

>>53646620
Just started getting into shadow wars, any tips for playing tyranid warriors?

>>53647397
While people may think it's two bonus attacks I'd say only one.

My reasoning is that you only attack with one weapon at a time when you divide attacks. You don't combine the effects of a power fist and power sword (e.g. make one attack with a power sword, and one with the power fist).

On the other hand, the wording makes it seem like the rule confers a bonus to the model, rather than an effect that is applied when using the weapon.

On another note, why don't SS chainswords confer a bonus attack?

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>>53648504
Yeah, new Phoenix Lords would be great. Maugan Ra's the only one who doesn't look entirely horrible, but he still looks underwhelming if you compare him to anything post-3rd edition though.

>>53648497
Yes, however those are the official GW models for them, so a tourney might not even allow your scratch builds

>>53648499
Coulda sworn it was six, but I guess I'm confusing it with the Starweaver.

You could put an understrength squad in a Venom with him, but then you'd be paying for one trooper you don't put on the tabletop. Not too bad for wyches or kabalites though. Raider with nine is probably the better choice overall.

>>53648535
What if I include a token inquisitor as a HQ for the assassin detachment?

>>53648543
It's "each time the bearer fights," it doesn't mention using that specific weapon. I'd say it does get 3 attacks RAW.

>>53648491
Do the old 2nd/3rd edition SoB models really look THAT bad? I think they're decent for their age, the problem is more that they're expensive and hard to customise.

So what's the consensus on which power weapons are the best for most targets? Leaning towards swords and lightning claws

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>>53648504
>>53648491
You're like little kids, watch this

>>53648527
Sure, but they're both Aeldari keyword. You can include them in the same detachment rules-wise and there's no "fluff rape" involved. Certainly no more than including a special character or whatever. I'm honestly suprised this is in any way controversial.

>>53648510
Is Alpharius actually Chinese? From what I've seen on yoyhammer (haven't done a recast order yet), his English is flawless, although he could have a guy who handles the PR and customer service for him.

He's going to be my first pick when I make my first recast purchase, both because of quality, and because you don't have to venture into the bowels of the Earth and back just to find a working email address for him.

>>53648567
There's a few people at my LGS with them, and the pictures never do them justice. The models look decent, but after definitely aging. I kind of feel like the people constantly complaining about them are people who haven't seen/played them IRL.

>>53648591
Yeah, that was what I was thinking, aging but not terrible.

I actually did own a small army of them back in the Codex: Witch Hunters days, and never thought they looked bad. I may actually still have a few lying around.

>>53648574
Asurmen is older. 1993. Same as Warp Spiders a few of the other phoenix lords. Tallarn and the other IG regiments were 1995.

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>>53648470
>>53648491
>>53648504
>>53648545
>>53648574
Step aside kids (especially you ork player, I am dissapointed).

This buggy is all the way back from 2nd ed. I mean they didnt even bother to change the weapon from a melta gun to a shoota. Yes it is actually armed with a multi melta which orks could have en 2nd ed.

The Strangelweb is Assault D6. Used to be a template. It is not auto-hit.

Is this an oversight on GW's part?

>>53648510
how to order?

>>53648610
The old metal IG regiments still look worse though, IMO. 2nd edition Eldar had the benefit of being designed primarily by Jes Goodwin, which meant the quality was a lot higher than other early-to-mid '90s stuff.

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Long time player but didn't keep up with 7th edition while I was in college.

Everyone at my lgs is really excited for 8th edition, and it looks like a perfect opportunity to get back into the game since everyone seems to be learnign a lot.

I had about 2500 points, split 50/50 imperial guard and sisters, and I'm super hyped to play again. That new Celestine model looks dope. How are these two armies looking? I'll look for myself in a second but I love kneejerk sensationalism too.

This is a pointless post I'm just really happy. I'm looking at the books now and I didn't realize how much I missed the game. It was always just something I was "going to get around to" but the new edition was the excuse.

Who else /hype/ here?

>>53648623
No.

>>53648621
1997

>>53648632
Guard is good, Sisters are middle tier at best.

>>53648632
>Long time player
>college

No.

>>53648624
If you go with Alpharius, his contact details are easy to find on /r/yoyhammer, over on Reddit. The other recasters try and keep their business as secret as they can, so they don't like customers openly spreading their contact details. You can still find them, it just takes a lot of yoyhammer searching and Googling old /tg/ threads.

>>53648197
Maybe adding GSC to my nids and mechanicus to my IG.

>>53648554
Thats heresy.
Non Heresy is oldscool Ordo Hereticus list, or and I say this with pian in my heart Ordo Malleus. New GK is heresy.
Stay Vigilant, stay loyal.

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>>53648632
SoB looks very good with all the heavy flamers and meltas. Get yourself a lot of Penitence engines since they look to be absolute monsters.

>>53648627
Nah. The metal guard are all far superior to the current plastics. They excellent models. If I'm being honest the worst looking old minis are the Ork trakks/buggies because they predate the radical redesign Orks recieved with 3rd Ed.

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>>53648646
I started in 4th edition when I was in high school. So obviously the guys back in the 80s were the real "long time players" but I've been playing for like 10 years now which feels like a long time. Anyway, nomenclature aside

>>53648641
That's cool, as long as they're "ok" im happy since playing the best army is lame anyway.

>>53648649
kk

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Does pic-related get 2d6 S3 attacks in combat?

>SoB faction focus not out yet
>people spam it as a meme
>SoB faction focus drops
>no one cares
How times have changed

>>53648632
Its too early to get accurate judgements from 40kg. We're all sheep and conventional wisdom hasn't sorted itself out yet.

>>53648197
I'm itching to start a Sisters of Battle force for allying my Custodes to, but I r e a l l y don't want to pay the price of metal models.

I hope they'll get a boxed game later on and some plastic sculpts along with that

Strongest.. Probably Orks or Nids, leaning towards Nids. Weakest.. CSM or Tau

>>53646712
>Buying orks
Fucking WAAC fags

>>53648522
Haven't you got like a link to this eldritch soul? That's how I summoned Belakor that on time.

>>53648197
I've been wondering what to add to my RT themed army for a while now. The primaris kits have convinced me to add a contingent of marines errant, since they've granted detachments to RT's before in their fluff.

>>53648542
Nothing?

>>53648676
They still shoot them in the shooting phase, so you don't double down but yes, you can fire them while in CC.

>>53648676
Yes. During your shooting phase, but even when engaged. However, shes limited to a single measly attack on your opponents turn.

>>53648676
not attacks, shots during the shooting phase

>>53648678
Everyone's busy tearing the new rules apart now, guy

>>53647397

If you look at the wargear section at the back, lightning claws grant one extra attack for being twinned.

Why does it say differently on the warp talons profile? Because GW are morons.

So...using a Spearhead Detachment:

HQ HT ?

6x HS Carnifex, mace tail, 2x twin-deathspitter x3 267pts

1602 points, remaining ones go to HQ and whatever.

144 T7 Sv 3+ wounds.

Is this insane? Is this going to work? Is nidzilla viable now?


And yeah, I know objectives are # of models so unless this is killy enough, this is going to not be able to hold objectives. But humor me.

>>53648678
Yeah it came AFTER the big leak.

>>53648712
Dumb WAACfag

>>53648627
I have a squad of the old Cadians. I really like them.

So chain swords get a free attack right? if I have lets say a chain axe and chain sword, and two attacks. I can make 2 attacks with the axe and one with the sword?

>>53648678

It was imperial agents.
Most of it was "Eversors are good now guys!", where their only redeeming quality is the 3d6 charge range.
Sisters were a footnote saying that Engines are a huge DPS unit and Immolators are great alpha strike units.

>>53648686
This is a bittersweet feeling.

>>53648725
Yes. Only the additional attack must be made with the sword.

>Space Marine storm shields are 5 pts (non-character)
>Space Marine Deathwatch storm shields are 15pts (non-character)

What the fuck

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>>53648714
I've been Nidzillaing since you could take Carnifexes below 116pts as Elites.

>>53648725

IIRC Tabletop Tactics discussed this on their channel saying you have to "use" the weapon to benefit from the rule.

>>53648725
Now I'm wondering which models can get double chainswords. Notwithstanding that that does look awesome.

>>53648296
This only matters if you go first. If the Ork player goes first he'd have closed a huge gap between you and him already so he won't need to advance and charge. He can also re-roll charges.

He has enough bodies on the field that he WILL get into close combat faster than you think and it WILL hurt since they get 3-4 attacks per boy without bonuses from other units at Str 4 WS 3+.

It's retarded.

>>53648748
>unofficial hobby group
Their guess is as good as ours, and RAW they behave like dataspikes.

>>53647703
>Emps didn't love his sons
So why didn't he mind rape Horus to death right away?
Emps also killed Horus over a single human soldier
Fuck that noise

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So buying a bunch of monkeys to use as a squad seems fucking expensive. How hard do you think it would be turning pic related into squats? Just a few aquillas and shit right?

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So what do you all think the chances of GW showing up to GenCon this year?

You would think they would want to participate in the largest tabletop convention in the US, but that would be logical.

>>53648745
The difference being, I believe, is that Deathwatch can spam them, whereas SM cannot

>>53648197
I'm going to start an Ultramarine Primaris force backed by Roboute because I think it'll be cool for the campaign and I like the models and I already have an Ultramarine successor.

>>53648745
Different armies get different point values for shit. They also have more access to them.

>>53648777
Fielding them as Tau, Mechanicus or Guard?

Either way, those look cool.

>>53648787
Imperial Agents and Guard. Jokaero count as. They're their own squad now and they dont look half bad.

>>53648777
I mean, remove dorf iconografy, replace with aquila, the guns idk about.

>>53648767
>>53648748
I guess Ill stick with RAW for now

>>53648778
They're from england, silly. They aren't going to across the jolly old ocean just to sell a few plasties

>>53648755
I some chaos space marines can go with two chainswords. It shows up on the "take up to two from this list" in the Champion Equipment list and non-Termie Chaos Lords can double dip from the Melee Weapons list that has them.

>>53648811
They went to Las Vegas, Anon.

>>53648803
Oooh haven't cosidered agents. I have a bunch of WFB plastic dwarves and been wanting to stick lasguns on them. Gonna check what else they can be.

>>53648778
High to Certain.

>>53648778
GW are big enough to make their own large events. Inferior game systems need some space too or it would be simply unfair.

>>53648813
Las Vegas is not in America dummy it's in Mexico that's why gambling is legal there.

>>53648748
The precedent set by the Solitaire Harlequin's Kiss FAQ in 7th supports the RAW interpretation that you get the extra attack with it no matter what. (The FAQ was actually counter to the RAW in 7th, because rules for weapons are not read if they are not used in 7th - but that's not part of 8th.)

>>53648758
It kinda depends on the deployment type, too. A shooty army with hammer & anvil deployment will have several turns to mulch the boyz and snipe characters, probably starting with the Weirdboy to get rid of Da Jump.
Don't get me wrong, it sounds like a strong strategy, it just doesn't strike me as unbeatable. Boyz are not hard to kill, and it wouldn't take a terribly large amount of shooting to whittle several mobs down to reduce the benefit of mob rule.
I guess we'll see how it all shakes out.

Why are Chosen always so fucking meh? Aren't they supposed to be the best of the best CSM's?

Yes, you can equip them with a bunch of weapons, big fucking whoop. They still die just as fast as normal CSM's and they cost 3 points more per model for just one extra attack.

They don't even have any special rules. Disappointment every new edition.

>>53648778
That's like saying a super model should show up at a homeless guy convention because they're human.

>>53648828
Christ man i know this is idiot bait but goddamn that triggered me

>>53648844
Dude, they are amazing now, trust me. Plasma guns and Chainswords and a nearby Lord to reroll 1s. They're gross.

>>53648778
Uncertain they were at Adeptacon for the first time in years this year and that's considered the wargaming convention to be at.

That said...they have been at GenCon and were at Gencon 2015, with the most pathetic display ever including rather uninspiring "life sized" blood angel who was dwarfed by the Wyrd life sized guy, the Life Sized Elmental, and the life sized Man-o-War at the Privateer Press booth. I had thought that space marines and man-o-war would be about the same size atleast.

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>>53648847

>>53648844
They can take more special weapons and have better stats. What else do you want? If they had even better stats or weapons they would be chaos lords.

Two things I have learned tonight. 1) Kroot shoulder pads make fantastic welding masks when attached to a cadian helmet. 2) old school melta nozzles make damn good peglegs.

Its funny what you learn when digging through a bitz box.

>>53648778
god, where the fuck is that image from
I know its a doujin but I can't find it

>want to get triumvirate boxset
>only need 1 model
>can't get from ebay because shipping costs will kill me
What do?
Should I get it and then try to sell the others off?
Should I try to split it with someone in my FLGS?

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Related to the current conversation about melee weapons and their uses

So...I have to devote 1 attack to the monstrous Boneswords to get the +1 A from them.

The Monstrous Rending Claws are a bit less clear. I re-roll failed to-wound rolls when using them. I'm guessing that ony applies to the attacks with the claws? Or does that even apply to the bonesword attacks?

Also, the rending AP-6 on 6 to-wound, it just says "each time you make a wound roll of 6+" - does this apply to the boneswords too?

>>53648879
i know how you feel, guy.
I'd probably try to split it I guess.
I only want Celestine and her girls from the Imperium one but no one wants greyfax, everyone just wants Cawl

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Hows my dakkanid list look?

>>53648894
I want to get Greyfax funnily enough. Where do you live?

>>53648845
Which is funny because when they showed up in 2015, their booth looked like an Indy Startup. It was 1 table, with a small wall of stuff behind them...a table cloth and a manlet space marine who was shorter than all the other life sized guys. The resurrected Fasa games booth was more inspiring, Harebrained Schemes who has to kickstart everything they do had a better booth. Hell Reaper had a better booth, along with Soda Pop games.

I don't know if it was just a local vendor rep setting up a booth and they didn't have much or a budget to work with...or if they blew a few months promotion budget on this...but...it was sad for a titan to have a table more pathetic than the kickstarted game companies and one hit wonders.

>>53648866
Let's say up their wounds by 1 and give them an invulnerable save of 5-6+ and up their points to compensate. Start them off with better weapons baseline. Give them a nice special ability and these motherfuckers I would have running around with a Lord smashing shit up.

>>53648892
They only apply to attacks made with the rending claws.

>>53648903
Northern Eurostania

>>53648786
>They also have more access to them

For Deathwatch only Veterans, Vanguard Veterans, and Terminators can take them.

Only DW Veterans are the only thing that they have that other factions don't.

Vanguard Vets and Terminators are equivalent to the obvious.

It just feels like another kick after fucking up DW in the index.

>Black Shield gutted
>Terminators in 7th could all take heavy weapons, now only 3 can.
>No more Deathwatch Watch Captains, Librarians, or Chaplains

inb4 "Chapter keyword Deathwatch", they don't get the special issue ammo that they did before.

>>53648906
To be fair, it's not like GW needs to advertise nearly as much as they do.

What happened to Knarlocs and Greater Knarlocs? Did they get replaced by Krootox?

>>53648925
fugg, shipping would be a pain.
Best of luck I guess. I'll have to figure out how to do this.

>>53648892
AoS kinda does CC better. Each weapon on their profile has its own number of attacks and you attack with each weapon the model has. Much more clearer and it's not as broken as you may think it is. Works pretty well.

>>53648939
yup yup.

>>53648907
Invulnerable save doesn't actually do that much in this edition. Even against Lascannon they have a 6+. I mean I would be all for giving them more, but even as is I'm already thinking of having a Chosen squad with combi-meltas in a rhino going tank hunting.

>>53648197
I have a bunch of half-converted necrons lying around and some guardsmen but I'm probably going to start GK for 8th. No time to finish the necron conversions and no money for guard. Also, I like GK models.

>>53648914
so it's either or....are they now the most cost-effective melee weapons on a Tyrant? Can't see how much better the others are considering they cost 20++ points while the claws are free.

>>53648942
>Much more clearer and it's not as broken as you may think it is. Works pretty well
I play AOS, it's pretty broken.

Certain things get obscene amounts of attacks, sometimes with up to 4 melee weapons.

>>53648947
So you always have a save? Then what's the point of weaponry that has -6 rend?

Do marks of chaos not do anything anymore?

>>53648970
-6 AP means they get -6 to whatever their roll is. Seems pretty straight forward what that is for.

>>53648966
Usually those things are monsters that cost an arm and a leg.

The same as AP did before: ignore the better armor save.

>>53648978
They allow you to benefit from auras that require a chaos god keyword.

new player who wants to buy models for 8th. Space wolves, blood angels and khorne look the cool and I want an army that can do cc. But I also want something that can play combined-armsy, like artillery from the back soften up enemies, troops spread out and take objectives, while they big scary guys charge at the enemy scary guys.

Thoughts on who I should go with?

>>53648970
No, hes just saying even strong attacks like a lascannon are often only AP -3. Which only reduces power armor to 6+.

>>53648970
If something has -6 AP then there is no armor save, but anything more than -4 is extremely rare and can be avoided with tactics.

>>53648993
I see

>>53648992
Space Marines fit the bill, try Space Wolves or Blood Angels. Chaos also has some cool long range stuff and their melee is really good, so World Eaters would be good too.

Can I just add Bloodcrushers to a mostly CSM list or is there some kinda tax?

>>53648934
no

>>53648992
Some form of Space Marines
you can ally in imperial guard artillery

>>53649022
>Can I just add Bloodcrushers to a mostly CSM list
yep

>>53648992
Any of those forces can do that assuming you arent meaning pure Khorne.

Blood angels cc is based around stacking buffs to power up their cc dudes and have standard marine shooting backing them up. Wolves have a few expensive super units that are back up with combined arms and some nice cheap cc guys too. Khorne is all about bersekers who are just super point efficient melee blenders, other aspects of the army would be provided by standard Chaos Space Marines. One factor I should also add is the Khorne models are veryout of date compared to BA or SW.

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>>53648980

>>53648470
>That model
>Shitty

Kill yourself senpai

>>53649050
The trakk is ok. The real problem is the Orks.

>>53648238
>Implying the Orks won't be nerfed into oblivion in the next update

>>53648470
>you know nothing of suffering
>>53648621
I actually unironically think the old orks look fucking way better than the new ones