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my dudes > your dudes

One of the worst threads in recent memory but it was made first >>52901320

fuck off, we have a thread.
>>52901320

Okay, odd question, but I need some help tracking down a massive lore pdf.

It was super damn basic, but it covered a fuckton of 40k lore, things that aren't outright stated in the books, no pictures that I recall, I think it was just a straight text document even, or a word document, not even a pdf (but I could be wrong there). It spoke alot about what STC actually was, the fact that all hover-plates for things like space marine landspeeders are bascially from massive vaults on terra and will eventually run out, and other stuff like that (and how most STC tech is irreplacible because of lacking transcendent AI from the men of iron).

I was wondering if anybody knew about this lore document and if they had it? I have it... somewhere... burried, but I was an idiot and didn't rename the file from the number string 4chan puts on uploaded files when you download them. It might also have been lost in one of my recent computer failures so yeaaaaaah. Any help would be appreciated.

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>drive 50 miles to nearest G-Dubs
>enter the store with your brand new tablewar case full of unpainted riptides
>see Brittany and Jamal in a 2V1 against a scatbike netlist
>Jamal tables tryhard eldar twink by turn 3
>Jamal and Brittany leave to the bathroom. You take their place hoping to catch the next pickup game, against someone else
>Moans can be heard eminating from the bathroom
>They come back, sweaty
>Jamal: "You down for a pickup match WHYTE BOI?"
>Turn 360, and walk back to the parking lot; enter your car
>proceed to masturbate furiously to the thought of Jamal plunging Brittany with his juicy BBC
>drive home
>thanks GW

>>52906293

What, exactly, is wrong with you?

>>52906293
Can you take this shit back to /v/ please.

> Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.

RIP rough riders.

>>52906370
It's the polacks assuming the rest of 4chan is like them.

>>52906610
That doesn't mean things with oop minis are definitely gone.

>>52906293
Why would I slap the ham to that rich evans looking bitch

>>52906610
DKoK Rough Riders are still legal!

>>52906695
Cause she's taking that juicy Shaq meat

>>52908464
So basically you're just jerking it to that black guy's dick.

What happens to human psykers living under tau rule?

>>52909290
it's never, ever explored

the tau gestapo could come and disappear/gulag/mengele them
they could go unnoticed and start causing warp-entity/possession problems
who knows

GW will likely never touch on it. They barely even touch on IMPERIAL civilian life.

>>52906293
Only ever known 2 Black dudes in my entire life to play Warhammer

One is the typical super obsessed black-weeb who love anime too much and of course plays Tau

The other played Necrons. And you know why

really makes you think

Also mixed race dude played Craft world Eldar at my old lgs

>>52909363
Why would a black guy play necrons? Whats the implication?

>>52909388
BIG
BLACK
SCARY
ROBATS
or something, dunno, i am guessing

>>52909363
>Indian dude at my last LGS
>plays black templar
>same with the LGS before that
>same at the LGS I play at now

Whats with Indians(native) and Black Templar?

>>52909388
KANGS

Whats the reason eldar are so few, they've had ten thousand years after the fall, how come they haven't shagged each other to a decent population size?

>>52909388
>>52909397
THEY WAS KANGZ

>>52909438
some pol joke?

>>52909290
What he said
>>52909347
My speculation is that since the tau know almost nithing about psykers they don't do much. A few probably get volunteered for experiments. Former imperial worlds probably lynch theirs knowing the danger unsanctioned psykers can be.
But i feel a massive rogue psyker deamon invasion of a tau held world is almost an inevitability

>>52906293

cuckposting is the worst thing to happen to 4chan.

there should be an automatic ban for anyone doing this dumb fucking shit.

>>52909437
It's because they're THAT scared having sexy time spawns instant daemonette's.

And they aren't entirely wrong :^)

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/26/rumour-engine-april-26th-2017/

>What is this leak nonsense?

>>52909473
Cuckposting seems to hurt you on some personal level. Did you want to talk about it?

SoB content when?

>>52909540

Not for a long time, with 8th edition and all the changes that need to be addressed for it.

We're all in agreement that 6th was the worst edition, right?

>>52909528

not really.

Its just spammed fucking everywhere.

>>52909569
Nah 7th edition is worse with the fucking mess that is army composition and rules all over countless publications.

>>52909525

>ELdar symbols
>Spikey/Bone parts indicate DEldar
>Coils/wires are common on DEldar Haemonculi constructs

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>>52905660
Idk if this is the right place to ask but it is possible to enjoy playing warhammer 40k without buying stuff?
I really want to play it with my cousin and some friends but im from a small city in latin america so having a GW here or any store with games of this sort its impossible
I downloaded the fith rulebook edition and going to start reading and try a simple test game sometime this month
If my friends enjoy it enough we could make some figurines with papercraft
But has anyone played without its figurines and still had a great time? Do you think its possible to make work it in the long run until we can all buy an army ?
Thanks in advanced and sorry for the bad english

>>52906662
Rough riders aren't even officially supported minis anymore, though. If it's not available from GW currently you can bet it's getting squatted out.

>>52909637

Get Tabletop simulator on Steam.
Alternatives are Chinaman/Papercraft.

>>52909637
You could always get a cheap bag of army men and proxy vehicles with wood blocks if you want something more substantial.

A big part of 40k is the hobby, though you could always find some suitable models that arent GW to build and paint.

>>52909637
Do as me: create blocks representing units.

I never spent a cent and people are usually okay with it. Only play for fun however.

>>52909668
>Get Tabletop simulator on Steam.
Is that any good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtH49maGHtU

https://youtu.be/DtH49maGHtU

Outta my way chaos fucking shits!!!
Termi artwork looks nice I hope minia will be too.

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It's totally fine to use current models for games run in pre-5th edition rules? I think I heard at some point there was a jump in scale, and wanted to make sure that didn't mess with how it all worked.
Also what would be a nicely thematic oldhammer force? My thought was Crimson Fists, if only becasue they were on the cover of Rogue Trader.

>>52909719

Yep. It takes a while to get used to the commands and is maintained by the online community but it plays smooth.

Any good conversion sets for SoB's to make them look a bit less ugly?

>>52909782

You can play older editions just fine.
My group plays 3rd.
There hasn't been any "jump in scale" at all.

>>52909629
The most amusing part of this is how it ignores the kingdoms that existed on the west coast of Africa.
No, anon, it's a meme, and it doesn't reflect on any reality except people's ignorance.

>>52909917

Those west african kingdoms were the ones who enslaved the descendants of modern black americans and had them sent here in the first place.

>>52909886
Use a different model completely?

I want to see some one convert the sisters of silence with a headswap and special weapons.

>>52909418
This is the correct answer

>>52909917
Its more common than you think. I've also heard "the real Israelites were black" or "Mozart/Shakespeare were actually black".

>>52909932
Funnily enough, modern americans of african descent are descended from the white slavers as well.

>>52909932
This. Let's not fall into /pol/ territory, but the vast majority of blacks in the US come from more central/Southern Africa, not the more prosperous kingdoms, which is why they got conquered and sold into slavery. And let's be honest, subsaharan African cultural achievements are a joke compared to the marvels of Egypt and various semmetic peoples.

Though of course that's all totally irrelevant, people aren't any better or worse because of what hole their anscestors were born in a thousand years ago

>>52909528
No. It's just super annoying. About as annoying as having a super fun pnp campaign only to realize the DM wants to now transport your group to his magical realm. A fucking waste of time.

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Is there any site where I can catch up on recent lore events? The main wiki is a fucking mess that gets updated once a year

>>52909951
Also this. Stereotypes don't last if they aren't true. Don't believe me? Try to start one that is obviously false and make it stick.

>>52909932
Those major kingdoms had collapsed by the 1600/1700s, anon, and what remained was the infighting common to the collapse of society.
>>52909951
>the real Israelites were black
Yes, the actual firstborn Israelites are semites (google what a semite is) and Arabs, that is common enough knowledge. The jews that you think of are the European converts.
>Mozart/Shakespeare were actually black
There has been arguments made about having an African parent, as African/mulatto women were held as a standard of beauty in France off and on. It's fairly unlikely, but unless you exhume their bodies, neither have living descendants to test from. You'd be surprised about what you genetic parentage is. Most blacks in America have far more European heritage than they know, and most whites are not the heritage they think they are.
>>52909992
>people aren't any better or worse because of what hole their anscestors were born in a thousand years ago
Stop trying to be sensible, anon, it kills the shitposting :^)

Has anyone got their money back for recently purchased books? Do they just give you a voucher code to use online or something?

>>52910055
mulatto women are fucking perfect and I need one in my life

News about weapon profiles:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/26/warhammer-40000-weapons/

GW released a new trailer with space marines in it.. Anyone know what faction they were?

I think there's gonna be a new starter box and I wanna know what SM chapter might be included in it.

>>52909540
>>52909569

Warhammer live one Friday

>>52909769

What termie artwork are you talking about?

>>52910150
More than likely UM, as they were fighting DG in the trailer and its been rumored the next starter box is DG vs UM.

>>52910055
Semites does not equal black. It's a language group. Like Arabic, hebrew, and Maltese... and ancient Egyptian. It's not necessarily an ethnicity. Genetically speaking, the people in ancient Egypt are identical to modern Egyptians. Same for Levantine people with some exceptions like the Kurds, Christian Lebanese, and the Druze, who have large introgression of European DNA or Asiatic DNA in the case of the Kurds despite their language being a nominally Indo-European branch.

>>52910192
I think hes talking about :15 in the trailer.

>>52910149
So flamers just autohit d6 times. Works well enough i guess.

Rapid fire must be changing, bolters are now Rapid Fire 1.

That last bit about d weapons makes me think we'll start seeing s12 guns and shit for the really huge stuff.

>>52906695
DO NOT BULLY RICH EVANS

>>52910149
Given the lack of AP on the bolter it looks like the standard infantry weapons wont be tearing through armor at least.

With flamer changes, do you think my warpflamers might have a chance to become better?

>>52910196
what trailer?

and sounds good to me, my brother has UMs so I'll be able to just give him mine.

>>52910235
>So flamers just autohit d6 times. Works well enough i guess

Doesn't mention ignoring cover though...

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>>52910149

>power armoured space marines will still get a 6+ save against Lascannons

>>52910272
They're still very short ranged weapons that are married to slower-than-average infantry. Anything's possible but I wouldn't get your hopes up.

>>52910202
>Semites does not equal black
Never said that, you are projecting.
What a semite is consists of people of mixed Asiatic/African/European bloodlines, or y'know, all the people you just brought up.
That they stabilized into their own ethnicities simply speaks that the like populations continued reproducing, but the bloodline itself is a semite one by definition, and semites were the first Jews, not the hook nosed Europeans that dominate pop culture.
>>52910246
Really? Iirc, bolters had a -1 modifier on armor in 2e, as did shurikats, but shurikats had longer range.

>>52910297
>Doesn't mention ignoring cover though...

Might be that cover now imposes a modifier to hit rather than providing an alternate save, so the flamer's auto-hit rule bypasses it.

>>52910272
Not sure. If I were to say shoot a bunch of combi flamers from the same squad to another target squad, let's say 4 of em, would I roll 4d6 to determine hits? Cause that would potentially be awful to have such variability. With the templates I had guaranteed hits. Now I may roll. Double snake eyes and only get 4.

>>52910331
>Really?
You dont have to take my word for it the weapon profile just got posted.

Will Lasguns have +1 AP?

>>52910149
So looking at these stats it would seem AP 1 becomes -4, AP 3 becomes -2, AP 4 becomes -1 and everything else is blank.

>>52910341

Good point, I was expecting it to be an armour bonus like in AoS

>>52909467
I mean it would depend on your definition of joke but yes it's a /pol/flake thing

>>52910331
>Never said that.
Yes you did. Someone said the Israelites were black and you responded in the affirmative.

Not projecting anything, just trying to inform the actuality of what is.

>>52910363
lasguns get nothing, why would they? it's a pretty good gun compared to modern day stuff but in 40k it's below average

>>52909402
Indians secretly wish they were Christian crusaders

The reduced lethality is great and terminators seem rather scary now.

>>52910592
>terminators seem scary now

I'm all for this. They're supposed to be the galaxy's premier shock troops, even compared to other races.

>>52910659
dare i say it? are terminators fixed now?

>>52909470
>>52909290
I assume they're aware of them to some degree given that
1. The Tau have psyker races they intentionally hide from the Imperium
2. Ethereals know more about Chaos than they let on

>>52910730
Won't they still die easily to massed lasgun fire?

>>52910741
Doesnt everything? But since Lasguns wont have AP and Termies have 2 wounds now, it will take entirely too much las to be reasonable to put them down reliably.

>>52910741
it takes 72 bs3 lasgun shots to kill a single terminator with the new stats

>>52910792

Who will run a massive army of Cadian troops into a Land Raider Redeemer, under the pretence that, "I can kill it."

>>52910828
And you know there'll be that one fucker who will never stop whining about the one time a horde of conscripts killed his giant fancy tank or walker.

>>52910741
80 lasgun shots means ~2 wounds on terminators, and that's before to hit penalties from cover or range or whatever. So that's 1 terminator or less down for a ton of lasgun fire. Yeah they'll go down, but you really need the numbers.

>>52910864
I literally cannot WAIT for Guard players to start whining about their tanks being damaged by small arms fire. Welcome to Monstrous Creature-ville, assholes.

t. salty Tyranid player.

>>52910883
well at current prices thats 40 points of terminator vs 200 points of guardsmen.

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>>52910864
what, you don't wanna be that anon that killed an imperial knight with 200 lasgun shots?

>>52910864

Yeah but if he doesn't take advantage of that oversight by the enemy then they deserve to be mocked for it.

Damn, how deadly will Pask be? I mean he could be your delete button in this version for all we know.

>>52910905
Tools for the job m8. 200pts using thir socket wrenches on 40 points of nail when they should be using 40pts of hammer to take down those 40pts of nail. Use the 200 pts of socket wrench against 200 pts of bolt.

>>52910905
That seems good to me though, now you actually have to use anti heavy infantry weapons to kill the heavy infantry.

>>52910341
I really hope it works like this

Right now there is literally no benefit for space marines to hide in cover from 90% of the weapons in the game. It always made way more sense for cover to make it harder for enemies to shoot at you.

>>52910961

Don't forget command points the new reactive play mechanic.

>>52910366
>ap2=-3
how did you miss out one of the data point we have
Never pursure a scientfic carrer

>>52910995

Close range melta at ap1?

>>52910980
>Right now there is literally no benefit for space marines to hide in cover from 90% of the weapons in the game
>tank armor wearing shock troops should not normally be digging into cover instead of taking the fight to the enemy
Even then, cover saves rarely benefitted 2/3+ save units until late in the game when AP3 became so common.

>>52911011
Melta at close range will likely cause more damage or have a higher strength

>>52910149
So the rumour that
>Each str point over 3 reduces target armour save by 1
isn't mentioned here. Does this mean Marines will have lascannon shots bouncing off them?

>>52910978
This. While masses lasgun fire will take down a terminator or strip a wound off of a tank, it's an incredible waste of resources if you have other options. But if you absolutely must bring down that one thing lest is plow into your lines, you can play the numbers and maybe you'll get lucky.

>>52911058
>lascannons with a -3 save mod brings a marines save to 6+, and deals d6 damage
I don't think you can call that "bouncing off"

>>52910995
My post was written as a response to the given data points, no need to bring them up again in my casual extrapolation.

>>52911074
Does anyone find it annoying that the save mods are presented as a -x?
In reality, you add the AP to the save, and thats your new save.

>>52911054
I feel it will probably also be dependent on the keyword system, so maybe it only applies to things with the "vehicle" or "mechanical" keywords or something to that effect.

>>52911058
Well-
>>52911074
Beat me to it.
Also, it would make no sense to have a tank, which has an armor save, get no save at all. That is the most ridiculous rumor, and you are foolish for putting stock in it.
>>52911088
How it was before and it worked.

>>52911088
or you subtract 1, 2 or 3 from your dice roll :/

>>52909437
They apparently have a very long gestasion time, coupled with the fact that they need spirit stones for their children. And as we know, the only place spirit stones are found is on Croneworlds or dead craftworlds

>>52911066
>it's an incredible waste of resources if you have other options

The thing is, no-one in their right mind is going to try killing tanks with small arms fire. But most of the time, when you shoot an anti-tank gun at a vehicle, you end up firing a bunch of bolter or lasguns or whatever at it as well. Weight of fire means those shots are occasionally going to ding off an extra wound, and over the course of a game those dings can really add up.

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>>52910898
>I literally cannot WAIT for Guard players to start whining about their tanks being damaged by small arms fire.

We already experienced that back with the 3rd edition armoured company list, roachfag

>>52911054
Yeah, I doubt it'll do anything more than D6 wounds, but maybe a 1-6 damage on 2D6, or 2D3, etc.

I'd have a hard time seeing a single shot doing more than 6 damage, but ya never know.

>>52911088
It's the subtraction from your dice roll. So if your rolled a 5, a -3 modifier would make it a roll of 2, which is not enough to save power armor.

>>52911138
Yeah, I can see that, too. Good point.

>>52909992
>Though of course that's all totally irrelevant, people aren't any better or worse because of what hole their anscestors were born in a thousand years ago
Yes they are.
Do you honestly think a world without Whites/Asians would have developed to the current state?

>>52905660
I'm glad flamers are changed it always seemed like they would be the best thing to use on invisible units but you never could

>>52909596
So Ynnari Wraith units. Neato

>>52910341
>>52910390
According to twitter cover adds to your saving throw. https://twitter.com/GeekJockPete/status/856935170997465089

>>52911198
I'm just worried about blasting a squad and only rolling a 1 for a hit when with a template it would be 3 or more.

>>52911196
>Do you honestly think a world without Whites/Asians would have developed to the current state?
well no.
but the point is white/asian poeple today aren't responsible for that and aren't better/worse people because of their ancestors achievements/failings.

>>52911138
>But most of the time, when you shoot an anti-tank gun at a vehicle, you end up firing a bunch of bolter or lasguns or whatever at it as well.

See this is something I really hate, it might not jive with the new streamlined approach but it would have been really nice if in essence every unit could split fire.
It wouldn't even be that hard to do reasonably. When declaring that a unit is shooting each different type of weapon would choose targets individually but resolve
the shooting as if it was occurring at the same time, so no shooting units that came out of a transport you just popped with the same unit.

>>52910493
I think he means lasguns will improve armor saves taken against them.

>>52911265
Yeah. It bugs me too. If one of my troopers has a melta gun, it's because I want him to tackle a vehicle. Special weapons guys like rokkit launchas, melta guns, whatever, should have a rule, something like "on it sir!" Where they go after their express purpose. Shooting something the squad would otherwise be unable to handle.

>>52911196
If the humans who left Africa had remained black, ignoring the minor differences in Vitamin D production, the world would probably look just the same today.

I'm a little late to the party
But people have been posting what looks like basic stuff like profiles for bolters and flamers for the new edition, where can I find this shit?

>>52911434
Warhammer Community site.

>>52911434
The bolter, flamer and lascannon profiles are the only ones out so far, but they should be on the Warhammer-community site.

Wait, what role does a weapon strength play now? Since damage is it's own thing?

>>52911525
strength does exactly what it does now?

We still don't know if instant death will be a thing.

>>52911525
How you wound. S/T determined what D6 roll you need, whereas damage determine how many wounds that does

>>52911525
Strength still does the exact same thing as it does now.

Damage is how many wounds the weapon removes after a failed save. Like D weapons do now.

So AP3 (+2) can now hit 2+ armor on a 4+? And this is a good thing?

>>52911525
You roll to wound with it then roll how many wounds, thats what Im assuming.

>>52911552
I imagine instant death might still be a thing, but since things like lascannons can do d6 damage, I imagine it won't matter for a lot of weapons.

>>52911557
I see... was thinking damage meant that if you hit and the guy failed his save, you'd auto deal that much damage for some reason.

>>52909587
what is it that you hate, CAD, Formations and/or Detachments?

>>52911562
we don't know what the actual tranlsations for current-AP is to new-AP

All we know for sure is that lascanons are -3

>>52911589
AP3 = -2
AP2 = -3
AP1 = -4

>>52911630
Prove it.

(ie: thats an assumption, we don't know that for a fact. All we know is that lascannons are -3)

>>52911552
now that multiple damage and high numbers of wounds is common i would expect ID is rarer or gone. they mentioned not one shotting tanks anymore in the profiles article.

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The starter box will be Sisters of Battle, with new Adepta Sororitas plastic kits released alongside it, right? Not Death Guard and Ultrasmegmas right?
R-right?

>>52911525

Strength is TO wound
Damage is HOW MANY wounds it does if successful.

>>52911647
lascannons = ap2 = -3

>>52911562
And ap2 still allows 2+ armour models to take a save at 5+. Yes it's a good thing. The change from save modifiers in 2nd was always one of the most baffling to me.

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>>52911652

Boy, you SoB fans just don't get it do you...

>>52911658
from the sounds of that, (infantry) models are (generally) going to have more than 1 wound, I suspect.
I haven't really seen hard 8th edition leaks, nor have I looked at Shadow War which I heard was suppose to emulate 8th edition.

>>52911668
Lascannons are an ap2 weapon.
Lascannons will be a -3 weapon.
This does not mean that all ap2 weapons will be -3.

Who cares anyway.

>>52911647
We also have two points where old AP5 weapons (Flamers + Boltguns) became AP +0

So MAYYBE
AP1 = -4
AP2 = -3
AP3 = -2
AP4 = -1
AP5 = 0

But it's WAY too early to tell.

>That's assuming all weapons keep the same "profile"

> Boltgun: AP 0
> Flamer: D6 hits
> Lascannon: D6 wounds

So a boltgun has the same armour piercing as a lasgun, a flamer can hit 1 person and nearly every vehicle can take 2 lascannon hits at the least.

My big question has to do with melee weapons and their possibility. Since you use strength and modifier to derive final modifier, a marine St4 ap-1 with a power sword st+1 ap-3.

So st5 ap-5 because st 5 = ap-2 combined with the -3 from the sword? Or is it st5 ap-4 just combining strength and ap?

This is also somewhat an SW:A question.

>>52911745
Marines have 1 wound.
They are the toughest "Joe" around.

Shadow War emulates 2nd edition.

>>52911752
Spamming AP3 large blast equivalents to kill everything

>>52911745
Shadow war emulates Necromunda which emulated 2nd edition, absolutely nothing to do with 8th. They have already released space marine stat lines, marines have 1 wound which indicates most standard infantry will still have 1 wound. Terminators have 2, which indicates elite and heavy infantry may have more. Guilliman has an increase in wounds too and generally the wound stat looks to be inflated but standard infantry will have 1 wound.

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>>52911652
>trust us when we say we may be entering the age of the flamer as the go-to special weapon of infantry squads the galaxy over – let the galaxy burn!
Don't worry fellow sisterfag, our day is coming

Are they going to bring back the building level system with blast weapons? atm blast weapons just hits whatever is in (and under) the blast (with the obvious exclusion of zooming flying units)

>>52911585
formations, formations of formations, formations of formations of formations, and that you can throw together so many detachments and such that Unbound is basically a joke.

>>52911778
No.

Stop mixing 8th and 2nd/Shadow War rules.

>>52911777
>So a boltgun has the same armour piercing as a lasgun
brainless sissy retard

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>>52911777

The age of the lascannon heavy weapons team is back. Based GW.

>>52911393
Well, when something is done to you BECAUSE of your particular color, that affects what you CAN do.

>>52911791
if blasts/templates are just "d6 hits" there's no way we're going back terrain levels with them

>>52911788
>Meltaguns become 12" S8 -4AP, D3 Wounds (upped to D6 if within half range)

>>52911799
Just asking a question because I'm confused. Cool it.

>>52911777
>So a boltgun has the same armour piercing as a lasgun
inb4 lasguns are AP+1

>>52911819

To be fair, I am glad that the main anti-tank weapon of the game is back in fashion but I think a bolter should have had AP 1- and a flamer should have been 3 to 6 hits.

>>52911831
You mean D3/D6 damage

>>52911562
>And this is a good thing?
yes, it means all saves matter and not just if its 3+ or not.

also makes the unit resliance less erratic. instead of having terminators basically ignore eveything ap3 or worse and then get turbofucked because AP got 1 step better.

>>52911848
>inb4 lasguns are AP+1

No. AP5 is the new 0.

So AP7 (AP -) is +2

>>52911777
A flamer can also hit exactly 1 model d6 times.

>>52911859
Yup. Exactly.

>>52909637
Hey man, 8th edition's about to be here soon, so I don't know if you're aware of this or not.

>>52911847
Hart to tell what's actual questions, shitposter's pretending to be retards, people guessing/parroting rumours and people straight out lying.

>>52911860
> basically ignore eveything
They're supposed to be extremely tough

>>52911874

Cool, best anti-tank weapon in the game.

>>52909637
paper is fun as fuck, if you play with friends, i wouldn't do that in a store though. Though i mostly used it for stuff like rhinos/vehicles not little guys

>>52911906
But that's what he's saying. It's just bizarre that their armor blocks fucking everything but then with one extra number they get completely shredded.

The only way you could explain that in the lore I guess was if AP1-2 actually had enough energy to vaporize terminator armor

>>52911919
No, kinda the inverse. It'll hit a lot with few- if any- wounds, whereas lasannons and the like hit few times but make lots of wounds. Actually not bad, but I'm not a huge fan of flames piling a possible 30 hits onto one model, I mean it's not like the flame focuses in on him or something

>>52911906
i get that. and having a 4+ save when pretty everything else gets none reflects that.

but the current system only has to stages, barely effective or super effective. with save mods theres more variation in how effective your armour is against different weapons.

>>52911919
>s4 ap-
>best antitank
It takes an unfeasible and inefficient amount of flamers to kill a single leaked dreadnought.

>>52911787
>>52911779
>wounds
oh ok, it's because of >>52911658 had me thinking that the dmg would spill over into the rest of the unit, and I hope that is not the case. though in retrospect I think that will not be the case

>>52911830
>blasts/templates are just "d6 hits"
Ah I didn't know this.

I have a hard time finding some good crunch leaks

>>52911955

True, I have 6 sternguard with combi-flamers and before it took some movement to fire them all without hitting yourself. Now they can just pile out and fire without any thought.

I fucking told you this would be a simpler and better version oof 2nd ed, new arrmor modifier rules fixed the fact that armor was meanningless and assault is gonna be way simpler than before and since movement values are more varied now the game wont be slow as fuck.

So far this looks awesome.

>>52911955
>I mean it's not like the flame focuses in on him or something
No, but it is a constant stream of thermal energy rather than just a single bullet

You can imagine the D6 result as how many seconds the person with the flamer holds down the trigger

>>52911906
They gave them the pity wound extra because they knew well armoured infantry was getting fucked over by the new rules.

>>52911989
Or the fact that flamers dont just shoot fire, but burning promethium that clings to the twrget and hurts them over time.

am i only person which is bit sad that flamers autohits only d6 times? i feel like something similar to d6+3 would be better

>>52911933
Yeah. Means terminator armor might be proportionally better at shrugging off a battle cannon explosion than a melta hit, rather than being 100% better. It makes more sense this way.

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>>52911862
So my IG will actually get saves now?

>>52910299
The idea is that you're not supposed to be shooting your lascannons at Marines. Ever.

You're far better off shooting that Dreadnought that you can do up to 6 wounds to whilst it only gets a 6+ save.

>>52911987
Still leaves us with so many questions. Particularly us IG guys with our orders being the crux of our infantry's effectiveness.

Hopefully after movement they'll talk about force organization

>>52912038
Well seeing as the bolter has no AP, yes

>>52912022
Yeah or d3+3. But potentially hitting a squad only once at point blank range is odd. But I guess on the other hand it prevents there always being multiple hits on a lone survivor.

>>52911788

Does GW have an orgasm denial fetish?

>>52912022

It should have been D3+2 to get between 3 and 5. The idea they can only hit once is a bit weird.

>>52912022
Meh, 1 hit with a flamer probably feels lame but i expect D6+3 wouldn't be balanced considering what GW said regarding flamer power level. D3+3 might have been better.

>trust us when we say we may be entering the age of the flamer as the go-to special weapon of infantry squads the galaxy over

>>52911987
This is the first time since Tau were invented that I'm hype as balls for the future of the game. I'm a much more bitter person than I was back then, but I feel hope.

>>52911933

Photons work like that for causing charge in metals, maybe that's why Hotshots suddenly get brilliant at killing Marines. Something about Power Armour gives it an extremely high work function, and when the hotshots surpass it it fries the marine alive if they can get a lucky hit in an insulated part for 5+ To Wound.
Yes, I know that's complete bullshit, but it's how I always justified it. Now I don't have to.

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>>52912069
>bolter has no AP, yes
Sounds fucking weird, I mean, the thing shoots missiles

But if like this overall is more balanced, ok

>>52910299
>Using AT vs. Infantry and wondering why it's not working.

>>52911933
That's the way armour works, it stops everything getting through until it doesn't.

>>52912079
>d3+3
seems good, d6 varies too much

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>shitposting is annoying
colour me surprised

>>52910961
Guard don't really have 40 points of hammer, unless you mean the same Guardsmen but with plasma guns, which they can only have 1 of.

Guard have either 3 points of squeaky toy hammer or 140+ points of industrial jackhammer, neither can really be turned reliably against Termies.

That raises a question, how are they going to handle the thousand kinds of blast weapon, are Basilisks just going to hit on a 4+ then do d6 wounds? Because that would be lame as fuck.

I suppose it might lead to a surge in Special weapons squads

>>52912110
Right but it might be a glancing hit or something. Whereas in the case of AP 2 there's no difference between hitting a terminator or a naked man

>>52912122
I'm hoping
Small Blasts (D3 Hits if To Hit passes, 1 Hit if To Hit fails)

Large Blasts (D6 Hits if To Hit passes, D3 Hits if To Hit fails)

>>52912110
a single armour plate yes.
but a suite of armour is formed of different plates of different thickness as well as having joints and other weakpoints.
Plus armour still transmits an amount of force even when it doesn't fail.
In practice armour isn't binary in its protectiveness.

>>52911453
>Bolters ap-
I swear to God if pulse become ap-1 I'll skip this edition
But then again
>no D weapons
But also
Flamer 1d6
Can't they not be a bunch of faggots

>>52912110
b-but kinetic energy
what if Sv doesn't mean
>Armor pierced/not pierced
but something like
>you got hit as fuck but you are still able to stand up after that
under new rules. I mean if you get hit from autocannon, armor will withstand that, but you might be damaged anyway. Now with lascannon, armor might withstand that, but you have bigger chance of getting damaged anyway.

>>52911788
>>52912099
Evidently we're swapping to new rubber bullet boltguns. Just as I imagined it all these years.

>>52912043
you'll get a few command/hero abilities, a lot of this will transition over fine. psychic powers and assault is what i'm worried about.

>>52912110
>That's the way armor works
No, not really.

In real life there is a middle round between "rock bounces off the armor doing no damage whatsoever" and "Large shell kills the guy and everyone behind him for several meters"

>>52912143
with thw removal of templates theres no longer a need to stick to only 2 kinds of blast. i expect we'll get wider variation in what blast weapons do.

>>52912099
No shit. Basically 19mm minengeshoss rounds.

>>52912176
Fine with me. Just using our existing Blasts as a guideline.

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>>52912157
>rubber bullet boltguns
I find that idea really funny, mostly because it would be able to kill a person anyways and actually makes even sense with the new rules lol

>>52911810
In the new meta it is

Im worried about my warbikers now. With jink saves removed i really hope they have some survival mechanic built into them. I run a painboy but will miss that 3+ jink

With Flamers getting D6 hits, stuff like Burna Boyz against units with less than 6 models can score EXTRA HITS

>>52912203
lasguns getting AP+1 confimed

>>52912205
it's kinda nice actually, 3+ jink(re-rollable especially) was so bullshit

>>52911975
check the warhammer community site. They're doing preview articles everyday.
Ranged Weapons were leaked today, Flamers are d6 auto hits.

>>52912203
>0=-3
?

>>52912205

Lets be honest, 3+ jink was always too much. Jetbikes were like stealth fighters.

>>52912216
>burnaboyz getting 17.5 hits on avearage

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>>52912154

>>52912216
It's going to get messy when the flamer wielding units ability to score hits significantly outnumber the target. 30 hits on those last two remaining wraith guard for example instead of 5.

>>52912235
Lasguns are not Lascannons your gormless wanker. Don't worry though, this new edition is dumbed down just for lads like you.

>>52912205
Jink will just turn into negative modifiers to hit when targeted.

That said I want jinking units to be unable to charge or at least do a disordered charge (I suppose in this edition it just removes the whole "Charger strikes first" rule".)
Makes no sense for units that are swerving left and right to dodge can still plow into enemies and start fighting.

>>52912205
Armor saves they can actually take against standard infantry weapons?

>>52912227
They weren't leaked, GW put them out to hype the new edition.

>>52912222
My bikes are crazy bullet magnets, 15 of them plus a painboy takes up a massive amount of table, its just so shit playing tau with them.

Do you know the earliest prediction I read on 4chan was.
>The new starter pack will be a new race and plastic SoB.
This was like 2-3months ago now and I think it may be true. Also wouldn't a new race + SoB sell gangbusters?

>>52906293

Anyone else amused that the black kid plays Dark Angels?

>>52912022

Flamers kinda seem worthless as an anti-horde weapon now. On average they'll kill 2-3 Hormagaunts, making them effectively a shorter ranged Bolter that usually but not always hits more.

>>52912280
wait, weren't ork jink 4+?

>5 books

Oh boy, I can't wait for the scenery and general handbook

>>52912280
>Playing against tau as orks
You lost in the army selection phase.

>>52912222
>lasguns getting AP+1 confimed
This is a meme right? You can't get more armour by being shot at, right?
>>52912235
We're talking about lasguns not lascanons anon

>>52912294
Auto hit is still big.

>>52912289
I would shit my pants if that was the case, then buy a starter box +$600 worth of other sisters models

>>52912289
Confirmed Ultras and Death Guard.

>>52912311
They said all models are getting stats, does that really include all scenery models or groups or scenery?

>>52912289

Its DG vs UM idiot.

>>52912321
>+1
duh

>>52912305
They had 3+ if you turbo boosted

>im already talking about it in the past tense

Fuck

>>52912242
>I like to chocke on dicks and I believe should have -1 ap even trough they have the same Penetration power as a bolter of a bolter
Zog of

>>52912326
Incorrect, confirmed is the new race.
>Was leaked during live Q&A on facebook.

>>52912343
okay, jink IS bullshit, but orkz really need that bullshit

>>52912289
Sorry bud, but this would match the trailer they released today.
https://imgur.com/a/AGdsH#lP4KGaO

Is there any difference between the dreadnought kit and venerable dreadnought?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR8Six9qpcA
*TTS is shite, but the two intros are cool.

>>52912350
Nigga the 'New Race' is the Death Guard, like how the TSons were a 'New Army'. It also makes sense as to why they'd have their own page on the new site, as well as all the new plastics from a while ago we were teased with.

Lasguns and bolters being the same ap makes sense if you think about it in terms of higher AP weapons being designated anti armor tools. I mean, bolters and lasguns are just basic infantry weapons. The difference in S is enough to differentiate them

>>52912330
Yeah most likely. Would prefer to see sisters of battle purging Hrud, Iron Hands (yeah I said it) vs Demiurge, Dark angels vs Rak'Gol and all the associated flashbacks to the rangdan xenocides, or something along those lines. I know they're going to do the safe thing and sell their bread and butter but I'd love it if they sold their bread and new spicy jam.

>>52912346
>I believe should have
>trough
>power as a bolter of a bolter
>of

Sounds like you're the one talking with a mouth full of cock.

>>52912321
Old 40k and fantasy rules had Positive armor modifiers for weapons that were particularly ill-suited for armor penetration, like daggers or unarmed combat.

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>>52912334

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>>52912289
sure, it would sell amazing; but GW has no interest in SoB right now. my prediction we'll get plastic sisters when GW really needs some sales

>>52912364
Yeah, venerable has plasma cannon option and no missile launcher compared to the normal dread. The rest is aesthetics

>>52912363

They said on the Live Q&A with the guys who are leading the teams on the new edition. That it will be the new race in the starter box. Unless you have a better source that's also GW stating what's happening?

>>52912364
Don't think so. But I only have a venerable from the SC!.
I guess you might not get the additional bits that would turn him into a venerable Dread. But more likely, there's no difference.

>>52912364
Yeah, bits and weapon options. Regular has TLLascannon and Assault Cannon with fist and ML, Veberable has a fancy TL Lascannon, Assault Cannon, and Plasma Cannon with a fist and a fancy fist

>>52912401
>new faction
>deathguard

>>52912401
Death Guard have not been a standalone army in modern 40k, thus are """new""". It's the safe bet.

>>52912411
Death guard are new?

>>52912400
>>52912405
>>52912404
>venerable has plasma cannon
Welp, thats the one then

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Looking to start a blob Imperial Gurad army.

I just want to avoid tanks and vehicles as much as possible.

Any suggestions?

>>52912143
That would be terrible. Imagine your Vindicator killing one dude instead of wiping out an entire Terminator squad. That's a pretty hard nerf.

>>52912396
>GW has no interest in SoB right now
Veridyan changed that

>>52912429
Buy infantry, don't buy tanks

>>52912429
Wait for 8th?

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this promo on launch day.

Another promo vid today featuring Ultras, and Death Guard.


I'll say it again for any dense as fuck anons.

it is highly highly highly probable that the starter set is death guard vs ultramarines.

>>52912429
My suggestion is to avoid IG then

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I did it guys?

>>52912350
A new faction
Deathguard IS a new faction. It's a teased faction that's been ANNOUNCED, but it IS new.

Also combined with the NuMarines. Two new factions.

>>52912396
We had more SoB release in this year than we had in the past decade.
4 SoB models!
Tremble!

By the way the last SoB model release was in 2004. Most of them are from 1997

>>52912401
Hey, I'm hoping for Exodite, but you know as well as I do that GW will just consider a sub-faction a new race if it has its own codex. Just look at all the different Space Marines.

>>52912439
>Had to buy the triumvirate to get celestine

>>52912456
They don't care about your headcanon

>>52912459
So what's the deal with the numarines, are they going to be a faction or just yet another size increase? I assume the lore about supposed numarines comes from that gay ass gathering storm shit.

>>52912456
Translation:
Into the trash your mail goes.

>>52912381
Until Pulse Rifles get -1.
Bladestorm gets -3 on a roll of a 6.

Curious what Necrons will be as everything Wounds on a 6, double Wounds perhaps

>>52912323

Yeah, but a single flamer is pretty shit at it's main role now.

If you're taking a flamer unit instead of a specialist, that's better.

>>52912483
I actually enjoy this box style because it encourages model trading.

>>52912483
She's pretty much the only reason I bought it. Although Cawl has grown on me.

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>>52912456
>Send autistic plead to cserv
>Get copypasta response
Yikes

>>52912429
Play Tau, buy ritpid, you have no tanks

More seriously consider fortifications, especially to cover the map with barbed wire and tank traps. That and heavy weapons, lots of heavy weapons everywhere.

>>52912433
>Imagine rolling and getting getting terriblr scatter and instead of hitting 5 only hitting 1.

>>52912528
Orks won't shot themselves anymore?

>>52912494
Maybe a actual ultramarine faction, but every other marine army can use the big boys as a unit as well because sales.

There is already art of both types of ultramarine in a parade ground setting.

>>52912493
Comparing Tyranids to head cannon is an insult to head cannon

t. Tyranid player

>-No shooting in/out melee
what this ever a thing in 7th? I don't recall it being a thing, unless they're talking about the Hit and Run USR, or how blast templates can accidentally hit the melee group

>>52912448
I sure hope they don't have iconography modeled onto them. I mean, I like Ultramarines and all that, but they wouldn't really fit with my Space Marines.

>>52912553
Coz AoS lets you shoot into melee

>>52912558
I guess I could make them into Nova Marines

>>52912550
You don't happen to have that art, or a page number or something?

Cash spend on average / month on GW purchases:
1 - 50 Waste of space on gaming tables
51 - 100 Still uses proxies
101 - 150 Veteran with lots of stuff already
151 - 200 Normal 40k gamer
201+ Actually supports the hobby

If you are not atleast tier 3 you should switch to lego or something

>>52912570
as in shooting while in melee?

>>52912521
>>52912521
>>52912521
>>52912521
NEW

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>>52912590
multiply those tiers by 0.75 because
>buying at 100% retail from GW

>>52912540
Don't worry, GW has said that all factions will play like they do now and keep the same feel!
>Ork Shoota: Heavy 1 S:2 AP: +1 D:1 If you roll a 1 when rolling to hit resolve the attack against the firing unit

>>52912553
Because it's a thing in AoS people thought it would be brought over to 40k.

>>52912448
Better not be Ultracucks and shit guard

>>52912608
No subject
Not even page 2

Pathetic.

>>52912590
i do rhinos from lego actually

>>52912605
Whilst in, out of and into.

>>52912635
>>52912608
And your Duncan is out of date.

>>52912456
>"Tyranids? What's that?"
>"I don't know we better go ask Cruddace."

>>52912590
>not buying all your shit at once

Fucking poor fags

>>52912654
I can forgive the others but that is straight up heresy

>>52906293
I found him!

https://forum.eternalcrusade.com/members/nigger.4497/

>>52912474
>>52912439
then i hope y'all are right and i'm wrong, maybe you'll get more then a footnote within the next year.

>>52912689

"Nigger was last seen: Oct 21, 2013"

>>52912579
I play Minotaurs, so there's no fluffy way to field them together. And I'm not sure I want to do the same again, but in blue now. Especially since I'm still building
Even though it would be nice to have Not!greek and Not!roman Marines.

>Chaos get good with formations
>8th edition renders formations irrelevant

AHAHAHAHAHA

>>52912724
>playing a fluffy list
Disgusting

>>52912699
Are you saying veridyan, Celestine, and the immolater re-issues are just a footnote?

Get fucking hype sister

>>52911233
There aren't any Haomonculi in the Ynnari. DE might get something to make them cool again!

>>52912736
Joke's on you anon, I'm magnetizing my shit.
Also:
>implying fluffy Minotaurs isn't raping everyone with the tryhardest WAAC-faggotry

>>52912734
>DG gets good with formations
>they become a special faction

fixed your post

>>52912429
Infantry squads
Heavy Weapon Squads
Platoon Command Squads

>>52912785
Everyone is special in Age of Abbadon

>>52912741
Would be interested in Dark Eldar Wraithguards* that Vect has.

Hell, I'd love a Fulgrim + Emperor's Children vs. Vect and Neo Commorragh Resistance vs. Khan + White Scar free for all in Commorragh.

>Fulgrim goes to Commorragh to crush the remaining Dark Eldar
>White Scars are tipped off by the Ynnari that Khan was being held in the arenas. They mount a rescue.
>Vect is ready to reclaim Commorragh.

>>52912841
I don't think you can be held if you choose to stay

>yfw Khan is the most powerful Primarch from constantly training against DE abominations

>>52912841
Throw in Khan being made into a horrifying construct with giant horse/motorcycle for a bottom half and you have me.

>>52912885
The White Scars voluntarily put down Khan once they find him and commit suicide to keep the secret.

I feel like we are approaching a diminishing returns where more and more fun aspects of the game are being sacrificed for marginal time savings at best. Parts of the system that are entertaining, fluffy, or added depth are being removed to save mere seconds from the total game time, if they save any time at all. I don't like it.

>>52912948
If people play longer they'll realise how boring it is.

>>52912948
Like?

>>52912608
>new thread
>200 posts away from the bump limit

>>52912931
Only for the hadmonculi to revive him, using them as spare parts.

>>52912841
But anon, that would require Deldar to be relevant.

>>52913041
Dark Eldar *will* be relavent!

>>52913041
Harhar.
But it's not terribly hard for them to come up with 3 ways that are Chaos-Xenos-Imperium

Armageddon:
>Angron + World Eaters
>Gazghull + Orks
>Vulkhan + Salamanders (+ Guard)

Commorragh:
>Slaaneshi Daemons
>Khan + White Scars
>Vect + Dark Eldar

???
>Perturabo + Iron Warriors
>Dorn + Imperial Fists (+ Black Templar + Talons of the Emperor)
>hard to place which xenoes as the only battlefield jumping to mind is Terra itself. (As in Abaddon gets Perturabo's help by giving him a chance to crack Terra)

Baal
>Sangurior + Blood Angels
>Tyranids
>Fulgrim + Emperor's Children

>>52909916
there was but it's subtle. there was a pic recently of a older 2nd ed marines versus a new (dark vengeance i think) marine and the new marine was a good head taller. But it's not too bad and doesn't really impact play

>>52910363
since ap5 became 0 it's actually not even unlikely

>>52912948
[citation needed]

The hunger came for my father. The puppets of the Dark Gods clashed with the hunger for the pleasure of killing Him. There was a warrior in gold before the throne, surrounded by my father’s Custodians and other heroes who, mighty though they were, paled next to the lords of our days. There they fought, and there they died. The vision ended as the devourer of flesh and the devourers of souls closed in on my lord and creator. There was despair only, despair and more despair. But before I woke something more. I sensed stirring in the warp, and the touch of my father, His mind made anew, and the knowledge that all might be well.

>>52911247
That's xcom baby :^)

>>52913378
What is that

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/26/warhammer-40000-weaponsgw-homepage-post-4/

just thought this might be nice

>>52913668
you're a few hours late

>>52912948
I'm going to need something here...because it seems to me like they are pulling out outdated systems and putting in modern systems that work smoothly, don't require you to look at a rulebook every 10 minutes, and flow smooth. Honestly I have enjoyed everything I have seen so far. Just wish they had included some melee weapons in the weapons preview.

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>>52913734

Okay, okay. I just got home from work. Cut me some slack.

>>52912363
What trailer?

>>52913802
This one, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdnDO5aCM4

>>52912948
Things that work for AoS and are good ideas for AoS won't do for 40k

>>52913920
I presume you have tested this a lot and your dad works at GW

>>52913920
Again Specifics?

>>52904066

Flamers confirmed to automatically hit as i guessed.

Nice. I really like Burna-boys