EDH/COmmander General

>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?

Atheros. Didn't outright get the kill, but I kept playing tokens, playing board wipes (or even better when my opps did) and he accounted for a solid 25-30 damage I did to each opponent.

>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
Flashed in a Massacre worm when my opponent created 50,000 1/1 saprolings

Best way to defend against board wipes in monored?

>>52756702
The first time I realized I could go infinite sans Reiterate with Turnabout and Dualcaster Mage using Riptide to buyback the Dualcaster.
>Cast Turnabout for untap lands target me
>Hold Priority, cast Dualcaster
>Resolve copy
>Untap lands, use Riptide Lab to bounce Dualcaster
>Float mana and cast Dualcaster
Repeat ad nauseam for infinite storm and mana

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>>52756894
My fav infinite with Dualcaster is with pic related. 6 mana I win button.

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>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
Last one was that I won by StoPing my Angel of Despair when I had Alhammarret's Archive and Sanquine Bond on the field, it was pretty fun

>go to card shop to pick up some cards for a new deck
>been going to this place since they opened 3 years ago
>get informed ive hit the 20% lifetime discount loyalty mark thing, highest you can apparently go
>only 13 other people have it
>feels good man
>ask how much money spend it takes to get there
>10 grand

i dont know if i should be happy or depressed

>>52756894
You do realize that you don't have to choose untapping lands until Turnabout resolves?

>>52756930
The best combos are the ones where you go:
>Think tank
>Uuuuh, cast this
>Then this, right?
>Slowly walk through the combo
>Eureka!

>>52756994
>Been going to local shop for last 15 years
>Owner is a big sports fan
>I'm apparently the only other person who goes there who is a sports guy
>We'll always talk sports whenever I go
>Will always give me pretty good discounts on singles and will occasionally throw me a free pack or two

Feels good.

>>52757014
He lets the copy resolve to untap extra lands plus the three to bounce Dualcaster while the original Turnabout is on the stack.

>>52756994
>10 grand
I don't think I've spent this much in my whole life on cardboard and I play both MtG and YGO.

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>>52757029
>Local shop has been open for ten years
>Owner would always put a couple of binders with singles in them and was pretty good at changing them regularly
>Bought out by someone else
>Wont let people go through the binders and you need to tell him exactly what card you want before he takes them out.
>mfw

Are playmats worth the effort if you're only playing kitchen sink EDH with friends? The guy we play at has a nice and clean table so that's not an issue, I'm mostly curious if it's comfy to play on and worth lugging around.

I know that some shop owners only care about Modern, Standard or Legacy and Pauper or Commander cards are usually ignored but holy shit, today I found a Deepglow Skate in a 0.5€ bin and some interesting cards like Skyshroud Claim and Buried Alive in a 0.1/0.05€ bin

Do your shop have any bin like this? Did you ever find something interesting?

>>52757050
i buy a lot of boxes and older cards. the whole reason i buy stuff there is because i get a discount on dual lands and stuff like that

>>52757194
Found a SP Sneak Attack for $3 once

>>52757126
It's definetly more comfy. I wasn't a playmat guy but when I got one I can't play without It, it's more easy to grab cards. Besides, you could get your anime wifu printed.

>>52757194
Sort of related, there was that one anon on here who almost managed to get like $80 worth of cards off TCGPlayer for around $9

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>>52757257
Proportionally I almost did the same thing once.

>>52757194
Reprint of Skyshroud Claim fucking when?

>>52757257
There's also the guy that almost copped a Metalworker for 10cents iirc

>>52757194
I plan on plundering my LGS trash box for some MM17 cards, it's always a lot bellow their actual price but nothing too spectacular.

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>>52757386
>>52757347
>>52757257
DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT SHIT

STILL MAD SOMEONE SNITCHED

>>52757347
>Heavily Played
I'd rather buy from chinamen

>>52754686
>>52754863
Whatcha buildin' there anon

>>52757569
He already posted it, follow the reply chain.

>>52756885
Cauldron of Souls
Soul of New Phyrexia

>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
I didn't realize the nasty interaction between Helm of Obedience and Rest in Peace until I had them both out on the field while playing Gwafa Hazid. Tapped Helm on someone's upkeep to exile-mill them into oblivion, so that was fun

So, which cards are you guys going to get with Amonkhet?

I'm looking at getting Vizier of the Menagerie, Pull from Tomorrow, Harvest Season, Vizier of Many Faces, Harsh Mentor, Manglehorn, Dusk to Dawn, Bounty of the Luxa, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Bontu's Monument, Oketra's Monument and Cascading Cataracts.

Quite a bit for a set I consider to be sub-par.

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>>52757960
fixing for DAYZ

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Has anyone ever tried Archenemy with five people? Is it better to go 4v1 or 3v2?

>>52758015
I'm mostly going to run it in decks that have Mana Reflection, so I can turn 5 random mana into 10 mana.

>>52758015
I was thinking about doing a casual shitbrew with this, 8post, magus of the candelabra and door to nothingness.

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>>52757960
Based on the decks I currently have nothing looks definite.
>Marchesa
Approach of the Second Sun for memes.
Glorious End because sometimes you need just one more turn.
>Sisters
Champion of Rhonas because big dudes for cheap.
Rhonas the Indomitable so I can give Sisters trample.
>Meloku
As Foretold because it is just pure value.
>Neheb, The Worthy
Might just be a fun deck to make, always being hellbent essentially.

>>52757960
Probably nothing. The only thing I bought from KLD block was a pair of Paradox Engines

>>52758234
The Final Fortune effects are way better.

>>52758303

I liked Trophy Mage.

>>52758332
Depends on the situation, I personally like the idea of ending the combo player's turn as he tries to combo off.

>>52756702
That card is a riot. I cast it into a Wrexial once while Tomb of Yawgmoth was out, ended up kicking the shit out of everyone

>>52758380
You could've just not given him another turn, or if he's that bad just run another counterspell.

>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
I included Smokestack in Gitrog. It's a nice piece, but froggy isn't really a stax deck, lacking other elements. Then, this happened

>Versus Skullbriar and Depala
>Holding off Skullbriar with Constant Mists
>Tap like an idiot leaving a mere 1 open
>Sac lands until I only have two looking for another I can drop to have Mists open
>Thank Yawgmoth for artifact mana, but I am still kind of hosed
>Drew Smokestack in all that
>Trade out Gitrog for Skullbriar so at least I'm not dead yet
>fuckit.jpg, drop smokestack
>Constant Mists and Rites of Flourishing keep me alive a couple more turns to start running Smokestack at 2
>Skullbriar is staying afloat with Rancor
>Depala is sort of durdling,but actually getting a lot of counters on Depala
>Actually gaining mana over here despite needing to mist every turn.
>Pull Desert Twister, take out Skullbriar so lands go down the tubes
>Briar now too expensive to cast, briar player throws out shit like mad to stabilize.
>LOLRANDOM Depala brings out Contagion Engine, Melts skullbriar's board, stabilization denied.
>Smokestack chugs on
>Depala proliferates it up to 4 before sacing Engine
>Do the math
>I can survive a round at 4 counters
>They can't.

Not only a win from an unexpected avenue, but a win out of the most egregious misplay I can remember making in EDH

>>52757064
That's retarded, I've done plenty of impulse buys of cards I forgot existed due to going through binders. If he's worried about theft put in some cameras.

>>52758148
You just gave me ideas, thanks guy.

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>tfw only Johnny player in a full-on Timmy meta
>have maybe 3 creatures out at a given time with most of my decks
>the Windmill Slam/Turn Mondo Creatures Sideways approach is king
What's a nigga to do? Tokens?

>>52758687
pillowfort.

>>52758687
So you want a deck with complicated, intellectually satisfying decision trees that can really mess with big timmy dudes?

Stax is calling your name.

>>52758687
Be a Johnny and a Timmy. Play Maelstrom valuetown into combo or try your hand at Xenagod/ghave. Just shit out a ton of tokens, play some removal and win.

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You have 5 seconds to ban one card, think quick.

>>52758816
Stax is the opposite though.. All you do is do lockdowns and win slowly over time. What you're referring to is control.

>>52758947
Top

>>52758947

Tendrils

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>>52758947
Sol Ring.

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>>52758947
Sol Ring

>>52759007
>>52759027
There's really no reason to ban Sol Ring but leave things like Mana Vault.

>>52759067
Vault is fine, I'm thinking you meant Crypt.

>>52758949
says the man who has never played Stax. It looks like that from the outside when you're successful, but getting there and staying there is anything but trivial.

>>52758969

Are you retarded, or do you just play with retards?

>>52759078
Yeah, I actually did. Good catch, anon. Regardless, I don't see why people have so many problems with a piece of basic ramp.

>>52759102
I agree with banning top, does not fit the format

>>52758947
I'd rather see unbans or see them separate it back into "banned in the 99" and "banned as commander". I don't think anything needs to be banned.

>>52758949
If you think stax is simple to play and doesn't require complex decision-making, then you should actually try playing it.

Stax is literally "symmetrical effects, the archetype". Dropping a static orb in itself is already very complex, since you need to suffer from its effect the least, it requires a lot of set-up and foresight.

Now imagine this with a deck full of stax pieces.

Stax gets memed here a lot, but it is legitimately a tough archetype to play correctly. Any asshole can drop a winter orb, actually benefitting (read: suffering the least) from it is a different matter entirely.

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>>52759067
Anon asked for one card, there're plenty of cards I would ban and Sol Ring was on the top of my head.

>>52759102
I assume he wants it banned because of idiots taking 30 seconds to top every fucking turn. Card is fine, but retards make it too time-consuming.

>>52758687
Group Slug? Encourage the cavemen to club each other to death/near death and then insurrection them to death with their own big stupid dudes?

>>52759127
I don't get this. How in the hell does it take more than 5 seconds to Top? It's not a hard effect to employ.

>>52759142
Same reason it is banned in modern

Opinions on what to add and replace from maybeboard?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rishkars-counter-army/

>>52759161
I don't even get why it's banned there. Top is such a simple card that only the most retarded people should have trouble with it.

>>52758949
>control
>complicated
Are you kidding? Yeah it's more complicated than "hurr durr tap" but removing threats while managing your resources well isn't exactly what I'd call complex.

Managing the resources of 4 players at the same time and keeping answers ready, not to mention working towards your actual wincon, is what I'd call complex.

>>52759117

In what way?

>>52759172
Top is not banned in modern because it is strong, it is banned because it extends match times.

what does edh think about the new gods as commanders?

>>52759191
That's what I'm saying. How in the hell does it take more than 5 seconds to use? Only tards should take more than like 10 seconds using it.

>>52759142
>opponent plays fetchland
>waits until EOT to top
>mulls over top 3 cards for 10 seconds
>decides he doesn't like them
>cracks fetch
>15 seconds of searching + shuffling
>tops again
>another 10 seconds deciding the ideal order for these top 3 cards

This wouldn't be that bad if they did this while everyone else was taking their turns but that's NOT THE OPTIMAL PLAY so everyone has to sit and wait for 45 seconds while the top player jerks off to get their marginal card selection

>>52759201
You keep answering your own question.

>>52759192
Better in the 99. They're too weak on their own to be worth as commander. There are heaps of better options for monocolor.

>>52759216
So 'tards? Got it.

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what are the most expincive cards in your favorite deck anon?

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>>52759302
The most what

>>52759302
defense grid, blood moon, wheel of fortune. You must be liked around your table. I wanna build something that just stops my opponents from playing magic.

>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
Not too exciting, but my friend combo'd off with his tazri ally deck, rite of replicationed the dude who makes wolf tokens, and got out like 50 creatures.
He forgot I had a suture priest in play.
Oh how i laughed

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>>52759302
Contamination, Vampiric Tutor, and Demonic Tutor. Commander is pic related.

>>52759192

Hazoret might be fun jank and is at least offering something vaguely unique, and Kefnet could displace Patron of the Soratami (Though Meloku was probably already the choice there). Other than that >>52759220 has it.

>>52759302
Cradle in Titania. I wouldn't have Cradle but I was actually playing in Saga.

>>52759214
My playgroup has tops in pretty much all their decks and we have no problems with it, we just top while people are taking their turns.
If you are a person who needs to play the game 100% optimally and take 30 seconds to think before your every move, commander is not the format for you.

We had a guy who pretty much only played legacy that made a commander deck (It was basically an UG midrange control deck, play some flash creatures, sit with counterspell mana up the entire game and swing with small creatures holding swords / jitte) who would literally spend 2 minutes wondering if he should crack a fetch or not, and then another 30 seconds to consider getting a dual or a tapped shock land. It was insufferable, but that's more a problem with the player than the card.

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>>52759302
I should really take some new pictures

>>52758234
Post Queen?

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What's the point of this card?

>>52759464
Draft. And even then, it's not good

What's the most fun combo you can pull out on your deck?

I like natural order into worldspine wurm, eternal witness Natural Order and repeat. It's not a game winning combo, but it's really fun to pull out.

>>52759464
ask seth better known as saffronolive
it wasn't THAT terrible

>>52759551
What?

>>52759551
suhweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet?

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>>52759461
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-04-17-OSa-queen-marchesa/

>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?
Gut shot. Dude was swinging along with his 21/21 indestructible annihilator 6 ulamog to kill the other two players while ignoring the damage he was receiving. He dropped down to 6 lp and my turn came up. Lava axe to the face followed up by a gut shot.
Reflect damage. Using it on a Blasphemous Act killed one dude and then I used snapcaster to flash it back on a X=9 Earthquake.

>>52759811
Why in the fuck are you playing Gut Shot? It would only be useful in pretty much just that one situation, and a better card would probably prevent you from getting to that point to begin with.

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/EDH/

What mechanics would you add to a Mono White or Mono Red General OR to the color in general to make the color more competitive against other Mono colored decks?

My suggestions:
White
-A general which changes the wording of Instants and Sorceries that prevent damage to actually deal damage to their target instead.
-Add more creatures that have Rebel effects (activated abilities which search up a creature with a CMC+1 greater than itself) and support to give those creatures more abilities based on how many are on the field.

Mono Red:
-A General which allows Instants and sorceries which deal 4 or more damage to draw a the player a card.
-Double the damage of creature's activated abilities. Those abilities also deal damage to the player.
-Each time you take damage from a permanent you control, you may also damage a creature for that amount.

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>>52759811
>gut shot
Luis Scott Vargas, is that you?

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What have you gotten recently /edhg/?

>>52759902
For monoblue:
Whenever you counter a spell, you lose the game.
Whenever you play an island, you lose the game.
Whenever you play a blue creature, you lose the game.
Whenever you cast an instant, you lose the game.

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>>52760087
these came today

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>>52759302

I think my other decks have better bling, but this one is my favorite.

>>52759460

I've seen this picture so often and I still get a chub every time.

Do you guys think that targeted discard effects like Thoughtseize are worth running in EDH? My group isn't particularly strong and often end up in topdeck mode, so I was considering it for my shitbrew control deck

>>52760179
In duel commander, definitely.

In multiplayer commander, only if it is repeatable. Otherwise, it's too conditional.

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>>52760087

>>52760094
No one would play it then.

>>52760235
>only if it is repeatable
I'm brewing Dralnu, would that be enough to make it worthwhile? Or should I just do the classic counter/bounce/kill/boardwipe suite?

>>52758947
deadeye navigator

>>52760330
Repeatable like the spectres or creatures with a discard etb and flicker effects.

>>52760381
That sounds like a no... oh well. I'll find something that works

>>52759302
jace, the mind sculptor > damnation > demonic tutor > foil gauntlet of power

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/oona-and-her-super-freinds/?cat=type&sort=price

>>52760143
My decks have gotten way prettier since I took them.

It's just that taking pictures of decks is so damn tedious, how do people fix lighting issues?

>>52759841
Because of how funny it is when you finally get to use it for a win of course.

>>52759406
You got a list fampai? Looks like a fun commander.

>>52756748
>tokens
Thats not how he works unless your opponents are just that retarded

>>52759302
wheel of fortune, cryptic command.

grixis chaos ft. vial smasher / kraum

>>52759841
>>52760042
Is there something wrong with gut shot?

>>52758947
creature teferi

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I like playing green and black (and sometimes blue) self-mill strategies, but often feel like I'm really durdly and inconsistent. I've been building and rebuilding this deck for 2 years, currently it's Jarad "where X is how many creature cards are in my graveyard." How would you /tg/uys recommend I make my deck more consistent? I have a decklist if you wanna see it.

>>52758947
Mana Crypt.

>>52758947
Island.

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>>52759302
Top 8 I would say, besides some fetchlands and shocks.

>>52758947
Sol Ring.
It's like being able to time walk twice on turn 1 mana wise.

>>52760940
Nothing wrong with that and nowhere near as effective as what you say anyway. Time Walking twice for mana would be like getting more colored mana, but it's not colored mana. It's cheap ramp that anyone can use.

>>52760936
>tfw sold my playset of queens and overlords but kept 1 of each for commander
let me buy a bunch of other shit I wanted, now I kind of wish I had sold them all since I don't play children's card games anymore

What are you guys in the process of building?

I have a Scion of the Ur Dragon dragon tribal deck I'm going for. It's the first deck I'll have shocks/fetches for, so it'll be interesting at least.

>>52760936
reee why is legion so expensive

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>>52761015
having a hard time making cuts

>>52761015
I'm>>52760087 and I just finished putting it up on tappedout. Not the best by any means by always looking for recommendations and criticism

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/before-nixilis-there-was-him/

>>52761015
I'm waiting for the last 4 cards to arrive for my Brion Stoutarm deck. Trying to decide what I should work on building next. I think I may go for Bontu because I've got a bunch of mono-black staples lying around.

>>52761061
Nice. I've got a few things for that, but I'm not sure if I want to play big stompy eldrazi or just stupid izzet shit. Stupid izzet shit sounds more my bend than obliterate + blightsteel, desu.

If you post a list, we might be able to help.

>>52761082
Kaervek and taxes is pretty solid.

>>52761092
There are more fun mono-black commanders. I'd recommend Yahenni or Gonti, personally. Bontu doesn't seem all that good.

Hey, everyone. So, it's my birthday today, and I got the Planechase Anthology as a gift from a friend of mine. Not only is it really fucking cool, but it gave me an idea: I could turn the decks that come with it into commander decks (Thromok, Vela, Krond, and Maelstrom Wanderer). I would build them as comparable to each other as possible and meant to be played in a 4 man Planechase Commander game.

Is this a good idea? Or do I just leave the decks as they are for regular Planechase games?

>>52761225
That would be cool as heck. You should do it.

>>52761225
Gotta be super careful with the Maelstrom Wanderer deck, it's far stronger than the others.

>>52761151
>Bontu doesn't seem all that good

I'm going to experiment with it in Meren

>>52761151
>If you post a list, we might be able to help.
i would but i like to come to edhg with a completed list and go from there. what can i swap out is generally a more useful question than what can i cut. eventually though it will get there

How does Birthing Pod look in a casual Prossh deck (read: not pure combo)? I'd like to do something with it rather than have it just sitting around because I love this card.

>>52761266
I believe that I will. Of course, after my group and I play a couple vanilla games. This is gonna be fun.

>>52761296
That's my only reservation about this kind of project. Even if I fill MW full of vanilla creatures, I can see it getting out of hand. I'm probably going to be spending more time on his deck than the others because of this. But, they will be tuned to each other, and hopefully I can pull it off well.

>>52761225
you should totally do it, commander planechase is one of the most fun way you can play magic imo

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>mfw pulling off the Hinder + Tunnel Vision combo
>mfw watching the guy get supremely mad as he has no way of getting back his entire library

Hey lads

I want to build a Hanna deck but I can't narrow down my search of cards.

Does anyone have a list of "essentials" for a Hanna deck and could give me a guide as to what cards I should stick in? I know the general theme is artifact heavy but I'd like a few pointers.

>>52758947
forest

>>52761225
Planechase Commander is awful.

>>52759302
Damnation, Sorin Markov, Rise of the Dark Realms, Sheoldred, Demonic Tutor, Wurmcoil, Grave Pact, Dark Depths, Reanimate

>>52761545
Surely you jest? It's some of the most fun my group and I have ever had.

>>52760661
I updated my list just for you my dude
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/sacrifical-rites-1/

>>52760694
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rulestips/2014/05/how-athreos-interacts-with-tokens-and-with-rest-in-peace/

looks like you're that retarded

>>52759302
I think foil Massacre Wurm/foil Kalitas are the most expensive things atm.

>>52761588
>Can choose pay 3 life OR nothing happens
>choose the "Nothing happens"
>laugh at Athreos player for being terrible at the game

>>52761588
Every day I'm shocked at how bad people in general are at MtG

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>when your opponent draws 5 lands in a row

I recently finally got the sanguine blood + exquisite blood infinite off, didn't even tutor for it.

>>52761402
Anyone?

>>52758947
no cards

>>52759302
Mana drain, mana crypt, force of will, and grim monolith

>>52759902
none, mono white and mono red stax/combo are very powerful archetypes

>>52760094
someone's triggered

>>52759302
>Mana Crypt
>City of Traitors
>Wheel of Fortune
>Ancient Tomb
>Grim Monolith
>Metalworker

That deck took a long time to build.

>>52761378
as long as you have a curve to support it, it's great

>>52761682
>decide to play my actually competitive deck because this dumb casual was claiming their silly Silvos deck was the best deck there
>keep a decent hand
>draw six lands, Deglamer, and then another land
>other guy whom I gave my janky Isperia deck to has beaten me for eight damage with Storm Crow, and has assembled a hand size of 20 or so
Fuck me.

>>52761588
So to reiterate what others are telling you, tokens will cause athreos to trigger, but all you have to do is choose the 'do nothing', cause bringing a token back to your hand won't do anything since tokens disappear/cease to exist the second they're no longer on the battlefield.
So it's not so much that you cheated(unless you brought an actual token back to your hand) but you're opponent's were just that stupid

>>52762188
Sounds like your competitive deck sucks

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>playing against a table of Timmies
>one of them chaos warps my Rhystic Study because he's tired of me drawing every time their dumb asses forget the trigger
>brainstorm in response, pretend to tank for thirty seconds, then put Omniscience and another card back on top
>masterfully fake shuffle the deck leaving Omniscience on top
>as soon as my deck hits the table, reach for Chaos Warp to read it, physically putting myself between opponent and my deck
>then verbally confirm what the card does without moving, flip the top card with my left hand, it's Omniscience, fucking shocker
>combo off
Outplayed to the next fucking level. I even managed to convince that opponent that Chaos Warp was a bad card, he took it out of his deck.

>>52762188
>legitimately losing to a Storm Crow
>game lasting long enough for him to drop a 6 cmc commander
>letting a deck have a 6 drop without protection in play for long enough to draw a shitload of cards through what I have to assume is 4-5 combat steps

Sounds like your meta is incredibly low power. Show me your competetive deck.

>>52762389
>I have to cheat to win, aren't I cool guys?

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>>52762389
D E V I L I S H

Any spicy reaper king tech ?
I know blade of selves, Changelings, and flicker

>>52762434
>not using all your skills to crush the opposition
Stay bad.

>>52762495
You wouldn't need to cheat if you were good enough. Just sayin

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>>52762495

>>52762389
>Outplayed
>By cheating
>Didnt even let his opponent cut the deck
I don't know whats worse, you or the idiots you have as opponents

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>>52761588
>looks like you're that retarded

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>>52762389

Do you ever start brewing a list for a deck and then for one reason or another just drop it halfway through? I started brewing for a casual Prossh list (made a post about it easlier), but looking at it now I can tell that it'll just turn into ramp into combos and it'll be expensive as fuck after all is said and done. I don't want to pay a lot for something I know I probably won't enjoy for long. I did the same thing last week with an Edric list (admittedly less expensive) and I'll probably do the same thing next week. I'm stuck in a rut and don't know what to build. I'm also stuck on this hurdle of not being able to build a deck without at least black or green in it. Maybe I need to go mono-something or try a new color combo. I can't stand mono-white in EDH because it feels frustrating to play, UW is out because it feels boring, RW is out because they all feel the same, and I want to avoid 3-color+ because I'm missing fetches/shocks at the moment and don't want to buy a ton of them for decks I may not like.

>>52762389
I've done the brainstorm to put omniscience on top of my deck in response to Chaos Warp before. But without the cheating.

If someone chaos warps your commander, you can replace the "put into library, then shuffle" clause with "put into command zone", so the card on top of your library will still be the same one after Chaos Warp resolves.

Pretty cool trick, I've also chaos warped my own commander to win the game this way.

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>>52762389
>cheating in edh

Christ buddo I'm sorry it's come to this

>>52762830
>Do you ever start brewing a list for a deck and then for one reason or another just drop it halfway through?
that's what happens with 90% of my deck ideas in any format

>>52762830
Go G/W. Green helps with budget manabases thanks to ramp and White combines for a nice aggro color with answers to permanents with Return to Dust and Aura Shards. Also no expensive tutors.

>>52762315
I run 34 lands, my odds are fairly low.

>>52762390
Storm Crow was played turn 2 and received an Anthem effect like turn 4, I play Selvala Brostorm.

My Isperia deck is the better, 5cmc one.

>>52762835
>brainstorm to put omniscience on top of my deck in response to Chaos Warp before.
How would this work? Wouldn't the shuffle happen after Brainstorm resolves?

>>52762830
I've been brewing Karlov for a while now and while looking at the deck and the kind of cards I play makes me feel clever, I know that actually winning with it dangerously close to impossible due to the need of so many things to go right and for you to draw the right combinations of cards. I've been trying to add more combos to the deck to help but WB doesn't have that many combos or ones that I really want to play. I want to do Sun Titan combos for example and Sun Titan is just so expensive and the deck really needs a low cmc since I play Ad Nauseaum (+ children of korlis and angel's mercy once I get that but that card is stupid expensive for what it is). I also don't have all my tutors yet and I keep getting blown out by the people I play with that do have them and just search for Toxic Deluge every fucking time holy shit I am salty every fucking time I make a decent karlov you search for Toxic Deluge you fucking assmuncher. You know who you are

>>52762927
No, because putting a commander into the command zone is a replacement effect. Chaos Warp targeting a commander reads:

>The owner of target permanent puts it into his command zone, then reveals the top card of his or her library. If it's a permanent card, he or she puts it onto the battlefield.

You replace the "shuffls into his or her library" with "put into his or her command zone"

>>52756702
What happens if there are no creatures in the deck?

>>52762903
Most of the GW legends seem unattractive to me, but I do like the look of Sisay. Might try Legend toolbox or some such nonsense. I really want something I can just fuck around with in a casual meta.

I hit a slump like this before, sold off the decks I had, bought a precon when some friends wanted to get into EDH again, made the mistake of getting Meren because hey BG, and now I need to mix it up again.

>tfw you pull off a T1 Doomsday into a T2 win

Shortest game of EDH I've ever played. Everyone was mad as fuck

>>52762962
Play Paradox Engine Sisay. That deck is the shit. I fucking love Paradox Engine.

>>52762956
This is also amazing if you have stuff like Vampiric Tutor or Enlightened Tutor.

>In response to your chaos warp, I tutor for Omniscience/My win Condition and put it on top of my deck

>>52762958
You mill his entire deck.

>>52762958
Your opponent will simply reveal all his deck.

>>52762956
Oh shit I forgot about the replacement effect, that makes a lot more sense, thanks duder

>>52762958
That deck gets milled out

>>52762958
from what i recall from other similar abilties, itd do it until the opponent hits all his cards, then basically puts the entire library into the graveyard since it never hit a valid card, and fulfills the rest of the card as best as it can.

>>52762972
Paradox Engine Sisay looks neat, but I have a feeling Paradox Engine won't stick around anymore if I ever win with it once. My group has an artifact player and most of us pack plenty of hate to keep him in check (which he still manages to win through at times). If I build Sisay, I'll at least include it.

>>52762962
Making a Trostani deck looks like it would be pretty interesting with the new embalm mechanic.

Try to make a more atypical token deck, instead of copying boring vanilla creatures, focus on making token copies of cards with abilities and then multiplying those, for instance using Minion Reflector.

>>52762976
Man I really should get a Vampiric Tutor. That card would not cost nearly as much if it wasn't instant speed

>>52762970
What colors?

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>>52763002
Funny you should mention that.

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>>52763002
You are correct. It wouldn't cost anywhere near that much.

>>52759302
Judge Foil Imperial Recruiter

>>52763023
You and I both know that the P3K print run was fucking insanely lower than the Visions print run. That and Seal has never seen a reprint

>>52763028
So happy I bought one for $80 right after it came out. Same with $40 judge foil Wheel of Fortune.

>>52763040
Yeah I know it's not really comparable, but it was still too funny to pass the opportunity.

>>52763010
UB, got the nut draw
>T1 Swamp, Mox Diamond pitching Island, Dark Rit, Doomsday
>T2 Island, play the pile, win

No one was playing blue so no FoW

Probably my favorite out of nowhere win is winning off commander damage in Riku by Redirect-ing the Uril player's Runes of the Deus.

>>52763023
What the hell happened around the Khans release

>>52763088
It's when speculators started freaking out and buyouting absolutely everything on the restricted list.

>>52762998
I might do that. The decks I have in mind are:
Zada
Sisay
Trostani
Gonti
Experiment Kraj
Gruul Wort
Jin "The Chin" Jan, Augur Man, Gitaxias

I have Gonti and Kraj in there so that I can mix up my games a little more and keep things different so that I'm not going for the same combo every time. These decks were all picked based on not wanting to step on the toes of the other decks in my group.

>>52763088
Just your usual vendor-inspired buyout.

>>52763104
Wait, it's not even restricted.

Fuck if I know then. Probably got affected by the buyouts regardless of being restricted or not?

>>52763088
A ton of new people picked up the game around M15. New people> more people play more formats>etc, etc.

Also, that's about when speculators and investors started showing up hardcore.

>>52763117
Again, it had a crazy low print run, especially in English, and it's never seen a reprint.

And probably never will, because "investor" scumbags will piss and moan about Wizards devaluing their cardboard

>>52759302
In my Karn deck its the FUCKING LANDS HOLY SHIT. I just wanted a janky weird artifact wonderland deck where I just did weird shit like put 6 knowledge pools on the table without trying to win and the manabase turned it into a fucking 500 dollar deck.

>>52763117
P3K in english is very rare, not to mention it wasn't a largely printed set even in asia

>>52762491
Rite of Replication. The original sees all copies and each copy sees every other copy etb. 21 vindicates.

>>52762491
infinite reflection if you want to get really crazy

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>>52763120
I'm loving how prices have dropped so hard overall during the last 3 years.
Almost all those buyouts backfired completely.

Here's my favorite one. Basilisk collar was in a SINGLE tournament winning deck. The card gets an insane buyout and spikes from $9 to $21 overnight. Then a few DAYS later it's spoiled as a reprint in Modern Masters and crashes down like a brick.


>>52763135
It got reprinted as a judge foil quite recently, you can pick one up for €70

>>52763135
Investors/speculators/vendors really are scum considering all they want to do is use and manipulate people who just want to have fun playing a card game. Any time I hear someone going on about Wizards fucking them by reprinting something or defending the reserve list I let them know just exactly how ridiculous they sound and how shitty they are. I wish everyone would do as much. We don't need people playing Devil's advocate either.

>>52763152
Did my math wrong. Would be 25.

>>52763187
Yeah, investors have become pathetic since Khans. If a low print card sees play even as a singleton in a tournament winning deck or even in a top8, the price skyrockets.

It's not actual supply and demand, it's people hoarding cards to drive prices up. It's come to the point where if I see a card is going to spike, I go and order myself a playset ahead of time to save myself the trouble of finding them cheap later.

My LGS is really bad at updating prices, they mostly don't give a shit about secondhand magic card sales and just overprice most things to be safe. So I can easily just go in and buy the card that spiked from $2 to $20 overnight for $3-4 each.

>>52758947
paradox engine

>>52762835
>>52762927
>>52762976
>>52762982
This is consistent with the up-to-date-rules. In 2013, the rules were different but the current ruling is:

701.18c If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, that
library is shuffled even if none of those objects are in the zone they’re expected to be in or an
effect causes all of those objects to be moved to another zone or remain in their current zone.
Example: Guile says, in part, “When Guile is put into a graveyard from anywhere,
shuffle it into its owner’s library.” It’s put into a graveyard and its ability triggers, then
a player exiles it from that graveyard in response. When the ability resolves, the library
is shuffled.
Example: Black Sun’s Zenith says, in part, “Shuffle Black Sun’s Zenith into its owner’s
library.” Black Sun’s Zenith is in a graveyard, has gained flashback (due to Recoup,
perhaps), and is cast from that graveyard. Black Sun’s Zenith will be exiled, and its
owner’s library will be shuffled.

>>52763187
Don't worry, friend, soon these Wolf of Magic Street types will pay for their transgressions. Their blood will mark the start of the glorious revolution. The playing class will rise up against their tyranical oppression.

Stay strong, brothers, our time will soon come.

>>52760574
Abundance of natural light

I love the old blue frames. Especially foiled.

I've been wanting to pimp out Mizzex for a while but he's so degenerate. May'be I'll sub in Niv Mizzet.

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>>52760087
Everlasting Torment. I have a Queen Marchesa punishment that just throws shit like "Whenever an opponent draws a card X does 1 damage to them." I make them pay to just play the fucking game. Deck works great. It wins most games and makes people rage when I keep saying "You take one damage from x." whenever they attempt to do anything. There was a little snag with lifelink but with torment and a few more changes that wont ever be a problem again.

>>52763388
701.18c has no relevance here however, as we are replacing the shuffle trigger entirely.

>701.16d If an effect would cause a player to shuffle one or more specific objects into a library, and a replacement or prevention effect causes all such objects to be moved to another zone instead, that library isn't shuffled.

>>52760894
Hermit Druid, Gitrog,

Hatred.

>>52763437
Yeah that's been my problem, living in Norway means there's not been a lot of natural light available. Now that spring is here I should be able to get some better pictures.

>>52763489
Nice.

Just getting out of summer in Australia. I could go for a lot less natural light. I got a melanoma out last year and I'm 22.

How bout that weather huh.

>>52763187

>We don't need people playing Devil's advocate either.

ima go ahead and be devil's advocate here, why exactly are people "scum" to try and make money? "Using and manipulating" consumers is how capitalism works. There may not be anything particularly noble or admirable about speculators but I don't see why you would look down on somebody for trying to make money.

in other words dont hate the player, hate the game

>>52763539
Tbh the game isn't even that expensive.

As a grown adult with a job, anyway.

>>52763531
>tfw get up for work and the sun hasn't risen yet
>tfw finish at work, sun is already down

So I had a BW good-stuff deck from back in the day that gradually got raided, but there is still some good scraps.

Can a build Ayli without ending up as a huge predictable faggot? or should I just concentrate on Jeski enchantments instead?

>>52763469
Open the current (updated as of Jan 2017) rules. 701.16d doesn't exist.

>>52763539
Short answer is they are producing absolutely nothing of value and actively fucking over others via stupid trickery.

>>52763565
Sounds comfy. Possibly dreary.

I'd say I'd love to come live there but the cold just slays me. I struggle when it gets under 20 degrees, I can't imagine going into the negatives.

>>52763539
Because there are far easier ways to make money that aren't at the expense of the hobby that other people enjoy. If you're doing buyouts, you're actively making it harder for other people to play with cards they like. Buying shit up only makes things worse for others. And you glossed over the point about people defending the Reserve list. They want to be able to hoard and speculate on the chances that they'll be able to inflate prices, but the moment things don't go their way, they cry foul and say that Wizards is cheating them. Investing is a two-way street. You can make big money or you can get completely blown out. They don't want to accept this and call the reserve list fair when all it does is serve as a fail-safe for them so that they can more easily squeeze the market.

You can play devil's advocate all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that scum is scum.

>>52763611
Na, the reserve list is fair.

As are chinaman proxies.

Scum is scum sure, but scum is everywhere. Buyouts happen in just about any investment material that is easily stored.

>>52763539
People look down on them for getting in the way of other people's hobbies and making it less accessible to people. Capitalism also runs on supply and demand, but what they're doing is forcefully crushing the supply in the face of any kind of demand whatsoever. As >>52763180 said, they'll buy the shit out of a card that appears ONCE in any tournament deck at random and jack up the price. Usually, it'll crash again, but some cards stay up higher than they have any right being.

>>52763608
It's not too bad, it's all about exposure length.

You can easily walk out and pick up the mail in your bathrobe when its freezing. Once it gets past a certain point it's just like having small needles prickling your skin and doesn't really feel any worse if its 5 or 10 degrees different.
The real danger is for how long you stay in those temperatures.
Having your nose hairs freeze is really fucking annoying though.

>>52763655
The reserve list does nothing positive for the game and only helps people get away with inflating prices whenever they feel like it. There is no possible defense you can make for the reserve list because it's only upheld by people thinking they should be able to squeeze the market without any fear of repercussion. If you're okay with driving up prices, then you should be okay with the having the potential on losing money in your investment just like in the real world. Chinaman proxies are used for scamming people in even worse ways at times, and they aren't even accepted in all playgroups as an alternative to expensive cards.

Just because "scum is everywhere" does not make it right. That's a lazy attitude to take towards anything.

>>52763604

>Short answer is they are producing absolutely nothing of value

thats not how capitalism works, people pay them therefore they are producing value, even if, in your opinion, they used trickery

>>52763611

>Because there are far easier ways to make money that aren't at the expense of the hobby that other people enjoy.

every way of making money is at the expense of somebody or some thing isnt it?

>you glossed over the point about people defending the Reserve list. They want to be able to hoard and speculate on the chances that they'll be able to inflate prices

that's just another way of saying they want to make as much money as they can, i dont see why that makes them bad people

they like the reserve list because it helps them make money, again im not seeing where them being scum comes into play

>>52756930
I don't think this works the way you think it does.

>>52763588
>>52763469
>>52763388
So does it work or not? I'm confused here.

>>52763711

well it makes infinite copies of dualcaster mage but they dont have haste they like they do if you use heat shimmer

it does seem kind of bad to make infinite tokens with no haste

>>52763711
It does, I think you are mixing dualcaster mage and snapcaster mage.

>cast cackling counterpart on any creature
>cast dualcaster while it is on the stack
>get a copy, targets dualcaster, get a copy, target dualcaster, repeat ad infinitum

>>52763711
It does.

>>52763703
Because the reserve list turns it into a completely one-sided deal. In a real world economy, there is always a chance of losing money on an investment. The reserve list completely removes that and allows them to scam people without any fear of backlash or loss of profit. And no, not every way of making money is at the expense of others in such a way that it affects them negatively.

It's not "just another way of saying they want to make as much money as they can," it's actively abusing a broken system that protects their asses in ways that regular investing wouldn't. I'd love nothing more than to see the reserve list abolished and cards from it being reprinted, even at mythic in short runs, just to see them lose big on an investment they thought they were totally safe in.

>>52763726
It currently doesn't work. You must still shuffle.

>>52763700
I can appreciate your points.

I still don't mind the reserved list, as chinamen fakes are only getting better.

In all practicality it doesn't effect me in any way. Nor will it.

There are bigger fish to fry when it comes to dealing with scum.

>>52758947
Food Chain

>You have 5 minutes to ban 5 cards, take your time
Food Chain
Palinchron OR Deadeye, not both
Leovold
Humility
Stasis

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>>52759302

Angus MacKenzie.

Love that stupid hat wearing son of a bitch.

>That feel when no one fucks with turbofog
>Allows you to drop your Azor's Ellocutors
>Because really there are bigger threats right now
>Inexorable Tide
>One counter gets put on him
>Before your turn you fog four times
>Win

It works every once in awhile. But it is so satisfying cause everyone just feels so fucking stupid. It is so fragile but they ignore it because really? It's fucking Angus Mackenzie.

>>52763769
While chinaman fakes are getting better, that only makes it easier to scam people. But at the same time, does it even matter anymore if they're identical to the genuine article? That's a whole different issue that I don't really plan on getting into.

As long as we can keep it civil and agree to see it our own ways, then I can respect your view on it at least.

>>52763751

>Because the reserve list turns it into a completely one-sided deal. In a real world economy, there is always a chance of losing money on an investment

if people stop playing magic, the cards will become less valuable. the reserve list doesnt make the investment 100% secure. but even if it was a 100% secure investment, im not seeing why they are bad people. investing your money in a 100% secure investment is just wanting to make money, why is that bad?

>The reserve list completely removes that and allows them to scam people without any fear of backlash or loss of profit

what is the scam here? where does dishonesty come into play (i assume that you use the term "scam" to imply dishonesty)?

>I'd love nothing more than to see the reserve list abolished and cards from it being reprinted, even at mythic in short runs, just to see them lose big on an investment they thought they were totally safe in.

so people you dont know were trying to make money for themselves through investment, and you want them to lose money just to spite them

they are "scum" for simply wanting to make money, but what does that make you?

>>52759302
Fow, steamvent expedition, scalding tarn, and a judge promo nekusar.

>>52763853
Judge promo nekusar is only $10 now.

>>52763810
Eh, I keep up with the scene and it's not that hard to spot proxies upon close inspection, usually it's the cleanness and straightness of the borders that give them away, unless there are more glaring faults.

And yes, as you say it will be interesting when their quality is unmistakable from the real deal.

Tbh I would probably be arguing on your side 2-5 years ago but I just don't care anymore. There's not a lot you can do about it unless you'd like to spend your lifes effort reforming the system just to watch that either not work or revert once you die/lose influence.

>>52763839
The lesser of two evils who wants the game to be open to everyone for a reasonable price and with a fair supply. I'd much rather see the small group of people who purposelessly exploit others hurt than the vast majority that just want to play a game.

On your first point, people aren't going to stop playing magic any time soon. This game is going to keep going as long as Wizards keeps cranking out new sets (no matter how shitty they get), and the cards will always exist. That will always leave something to be played with. And as long as there are cards to be played with, people will look back at older cards and want to play with them as well. It's as close to a 100% safe investment as you can possibly get.

The scam comes into play by people buying up mass amounts of what would be regularly available cards, jacking up the prices beyond what they're reasonably worth, and then calling it a day. The key part here is that they're making their money by raising prices beyond reason through artificial inflation. If it isn't about tournament (mostly Standard) investors, then it's people hiding behind the reserve list thinking they have a golden ticket.

It's not they're investing their money in a 100% secure investment, it's that they're taking away the opportunity from others who would like to have them for other purposes. Like playing with them, which is what they're intended for. These cards are getting bought up to either be sold for more than they're worth or to be never used again because no one wants to buy their shitty overpriced paper. It's a shame that so many cards are going to likely sit and gather dust because of this.

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>>52763938
So investors are Eldrazi?

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>>52763995

>>52763938

>The scam comes into play by people buying up mass amounts of what would be regularly available cards, jacking up the prices beyond what they're reasonably worth, and then calling it a day.

prices are determined by what people will in fact pay. you may think certain cards are overpriced but the price is not determined by what you feel is reasonable, the price is determined by the market

>The key part here is that they're making their money by raising prices beyond reason through artificial inflation

what makes this inflation artificial? they raised the prices to a point which people were still willing to pay, and they made money. it sounds like they found the correct price point, if they set it too high they wouldnt make money

>It's not they're investing their money in a 100% secure investment, it's that they're taking away the opportunity from others who would like to have them for other purposes. Like playing with them, which is what they're intended for.

so what about somebody who invests in oil futures or something like that? surely it would be nice for the price of gasoline to be way lower than it is, i would certainly do a lot more traveling if it were. but that doesnt make oil investors bad people for wanting to make money by buying up supply

>These cards are getting bought up to either be sold for more than they're worth or to be never used again because no one wants to buy their shitty overpriced paper

is it actually possible for a card to be sold for more than its worth, in general? its possible for a single card to be sold above market price, but if lots of people are paying some amount for a card, how is that amount not the correct amount?

if nobody wants to buy them at that price then it would be economically inadvisable to put them at that price. it would be stupid, or incompetent, but im not seeing how it would make them bad people

>>52764017
I'm going to assume you just finished Econ 101 so let me pose a question for you:
If 95% of the supply of Card A is owned by one company, who determines the market price of Card A?

>>52764066
The potential buyers.

Unless they're sheep.

>>52764017
They do put it at prices that most people simply won't pay. They don't bother lowering it because they decide that that's what those cards are worth and since the cards are protected by The List, they can hold them at that price until something eventually happens. As we speak, there are people just waiting for that something to happen. In the meantime, they may catch someone every now and then willing to buy, and good for them, they caught a sucker.

It's artificial inflation because they're manually raising the price themselves to some arbitrarily high number and waiting for people to pay. If no one bites, they'll either leave it at that because they think people should pay that or they'll adjust it. The crash in price usually comes when they realize that people won't pay their stupid prices and they drop it accordingly. Some people won't drop it though or they'll try and sell it at a marked up price to someone they caught unaware. I've seen vendors try and get away with this before.

The point is that lots of people aren't paying that grossly jacked up price, but if they catch even one, then it must be the right price to them. They want things to be worth more than they really are. And those things that they want to be worth more are cards that people would buy and play with if they weren't so overpriced. The cards are going to waste because of hoarders who want to control the supply and only let out a little at a time.

>>52764073
Not if the company that owns 95% of Card A, as that anon proposed, is setting it to some arbitrarily high number. The potential buyers are left with little choice. It's either buy it and play with it or don't buy it and they sit and gather dust while no one uses them. And the reality is that many potential buyers are just sheep.

>>52764106
The ultimate factor which determines price is what the buyer will pay.

But people are retarded.

>>52764136
>but people are retarded
Pretty much. This will never change and it's why investors and vendors get away with it in the first place. If people stopped buying, then the prices would likely lower. But at least a few of them won't stop buying. This means that the price can be set to nearly any number and it'll still sell, even if it's beyond reason. This doesn't address the problem of people who lower the supply and don't make it available at all outside of a few small numbers though.

>>52764106
>>52764136
Just want to point out that historically profiteering and overcharging has been illegal.
There are laws against price gouging for a lot of necessities. You are not allowed to drastically increase the prices of your wares in expectation of a natural disaster.

Naturally, magic cards aren't a necessity for living, hence it isn't illegal, but it's not too hard to draw parallels between them.

Some cards are necessities for playing certain decks, by hoarding crucial pieces needed for these decks they can force people to pay far more than would normally be required to be able to play the deck they wanted to make.

>>52764168
The problem is that these people are willing to sit on a HUGE number of cards and only trickle a small portion of it into the market. Say they buy 20,000 of one card, they will then put 20 out for sale at the time at an inflated price. They are perfectly willing to sit on those cards for 10 years.

>>52764087

if card vendors could make more money by doing things your way, then they most likely would.

but either way, they still wouldnt be "scum" (morally bad), they would just be incompetent

>>52764289
They do in some cases before the main crowd wisens up and they usually catch at least a few people who aren't informed enough to know to abstain until the bubble pops. The real problem is like >>52764265 addressed. There are people doing buyouts on massive amounts of cards and then just sitting on then. They're removing them from the market almost entirely. It's like if an oil company decided that they'd get all of the oil they could, more than anyone else could reasonably get before they could, but then they don't sell it or only sell a few hundred gallons at a time.

>>52764265

profiteering and price gouging are considered immoral because they involve people making high profit at the expense of life necessities, the key here is that people's lives are at stake, thats where morality comes into play, any situation without such important implications is going to have no corresponding moral implications

>>52759464
flickerwisp

>>52764368

>It's like if an oil company decided that they'd get all of the oil they could, more than anyone else could reasonably get before they could, but then they don't sell it or only sell a few hundred gallons at a time.

again, the only part of this that has any moral bearing is that oil is necessary for society to function.

in the case of magic cards, its just incompetent investors making less money than they could have. doesnt make them scum

>>52764447
They're scum for taking away cards that are meant to be played with from people who would play with them. Someone willing to hoard and sit on such a mass amount of cards for so long has no intention of using them themselves, which means they're taking away the function of the cards altogether. Incompetence is being scummy in this case because they're actively interfering with the enjoyment and hobbies of others by not letting their supply out onto the market. It's not just a moral issue either. You can still be scum while maintaining moral neutrality regardless.

>>52756702
Jesus Christ what the hell is going on in that art

>>52764438
>they choose the flickerwisp

>>52758947
Mana Crypt.

>>52764507

nobody has an obligation to make less money for themselves so that other people can have more fun playing a game

>You can still be scum while maintaining moral neutrality regardless.

this is a dubious statement but its the first one you've made that has gone the slightest bit toward justifying your claim that "investors are scum"

Who's a fun commander for someone who's new at the format?

>>52764524
A Telemin Performance. Duh.

>>52764561
They aren't making any more money though. They're taking the commodity off the market almost entirely so that no one gets to use it. It's like if they can't have their way and sell it at their price then they'll just sit on it so that no one can have it, and the reserve list makes this possible. Remember Martin Shkreli? The guy who talked about buying up cards like the Power Nine so that other people couldn't have them (or the other people like him who actually did it)? That isn't to make money. They may make money every now and then, but they're purposely hoarding cards to control who can have them and how many there are.

And of course you can be morally neutral but still be scum. Actively trying to interfere in the hobbies and the enjoyment of others for your own personal gain and then taking it a step further by abusing the system that makes it possible out of greed is scummy. Many big name companies that are out to make a big profit by gouging people under the table (or out in the open in some cases) are scum as well.

>>52764640
Man I never got behind the flavor of alara block but this fucking image is just disturbing. What is a telemin performance?

>>52764623
My first was Zurgo Helmsmasher
Honestly just pick your favorite legendary creature and start throwing cards in. I can't think of any commanders who aren't fun in one way or another

>>52764623
Anything but Meren. Please. Sure she's good, but she's fucking everywhere.

>>52764665
Some magic bullshit they did on Esper. Seems similar to bellydancing or some other performance art.

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>>52764623
Kalemne!

>>52764623
what's your favorite color(s) to play?
Are you a Timmy, a Johnny, or a Spike?

>>52764643

>They aren't making any more money though. They're taking the commodity off the market almost entirely so that no one gets to use it. It's like if they can't have their way and sell it at their price then they'll just sit on it so that no one can have it, and the reserve list makes this possible

so you think they do this purely to spite mtg players? they have no intention of making money?

>Remember Martin Shkreli? The guy who talked about buying up cards like the Power Nine so that other people couldn't have them (or the other people like him who actually did it)?

im pretty sure that guy was joking, purely to rustle the jimmies of people like you, but regardless, wanting to be the exclusive owner of some collector's items doesnt seem immoral to me either

>they're purposely hoarding cards to control who can have them and how many there are.

i dont see any evidence for this being the case for the majority of speculators and investors in mtg cards

>And of course you can be morally neutral but still be scum

"of course"? most people use the term scum to mean "morally bad"

>Actively trying to interfere in the hobbies and the enjoyment of others for your own personal gain

again, nobody has an obligation to put other's enjoyment of hobbies over making money for themselves, but what you're saying here is that they DO have such an obligation. in other words you're saying by not living up to that obligation, they are morally bad. so you are in fact saying that being morally bad is what makes them scum

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What do you prefer, this or harrow?

>>52764685
Then I'll probably start building on Yahenni, Anthousa or Oviya Pashiri.

>>52764623
Probably a preconstructed deck. Of the vanilla precons I've played I liked the Breya one and the Freyalise one the most.

>>52764755
Both, dude.

>>52764755
Skyshroud claim.

>>52764755
Kodama's Reach, Harrow is like asking to get yourself set up for a counter and wrecking yourself. That and Reach ramps you 1 while netting you another land for later.

Harrow has the benefit of getting untapped lands, being instant and putting a land in your graveyard IF your deck benefits from that, but it only ramps you 1.

I'd play Harrow in a deck like Gitrog, but in a deck that just wants ramp I'd not even consider it.

>>52764755

its close, i think i prefer this because it lets you keep hands with fewer lands but good acceleration

you can go turn 1 land mana elf, turn 2 land kodama's reach, then you have your 3rd land drop in hand and your opener need only have had 2 lands, so the rest of your hand can be gasoline

harrow is also amazing though and there are certain decks where it has extra synergy and can be significantly superior

>>52764643
To add to this, there's nothing wrong with capitalism. The issue comes with abusing a system that can't be used by everyone equally. People who were around in the earlier stages of the game or that did buyouts before someone else could and then sit on the cards make it so that the reserve list can't be used by everyone. The moment you decide to start gouging and jacking up prices just because you can is when you become scummy. Trying to make the most profit at the expense of others and their enjoyment is scummy. If it's a hobby you enjoy, there's no issue with spending some money on it, but if people purposely try to take advantage of that by raising prices all willy-nilly then they're no better than conmen.

>>52764735
Some people actually do buy up as many as they can because they can. Shrkelli is just an example because he was very boastful about it (but likely was just joking). And yes, of course, scummy does not have to refer to "morally bad," they just have a strong correlation. Taking the fun out of other people's hobbies is scummy because you're doing it by abusing a system that they do not have access to and that has little chance of biting you in return. They're scum for actively going and making things worse by excessively gouging people. Morality doesn't matter if they're using others for their own gain by exploiting a system that they have no means of touching themselves.

If you see no problems with this kind of behavior, than you and I simply aren't going to see eye to eye. I realize that it's not going to change any time soon, but that doesn't mean we should simply accept that people outside of Wizards hold so much power over this game.

>>52764756
Yahenni is extremely fun, IMO. You can softlock creatures with Animation Module + Any sort of dictate of erebos effect. I run mine as boardwipes + aetherborn tribal. Blade of the Bloodchief is extremely good in any version of Yahenni.

>>52764832
*then you and I
Along with many other typos I won't even bother with. It's late and I have uni in the morning.

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Hapatra is here to be everything I wished Pharika was. Now I know Amonkhet has a ton of creatures that do the -1/-1 thing, but always to my own guys, who the fuck wants that? That's a feel-bad mechanic.

I'm not gonna ask for a huge list of cards, just tell me what sets in the past has done -1/-1 themes and I'll look myself.

>>52764871
scars of mirrodin block
shadowmoor block

>>52764902
Thanks man. I cannot wait to Craterhoof like 8 Snakes

>>52764832

>The issue comes with abusing a system that can't be used by everyone equally. People who were around in the earlier stages of the game or that did buyouts before someone else could and then sit on the cards make it so that the reserve list can't be used by everyone.

what about the rothschilds and such? they were around in the earlier stages of centralized banking and now their progeny get to be in control of vast amounts of invested money. it seems like your complaint is, in fact, about capitalism.

>The moment you decide to start gouging and jacking up prices just because you can is when you become scummy

jacking up prices "because you can" is how money is made. if there was a way to make money without "jacking up prices", then your competitors would do it and put you out of business

people like you seem to have double standards about when profit-prioritizing behavior is okay and when its not, and your double standards seem biased around whether or not your hobbies are involved. i think that actually makes YOU closer to scum, and not people who are just trying to make money in an honest way. and it IS honest, there is no lying involved, nobody is being conned into buying anything they dont want to. people are paying these prices that you think are unreasonable.

>>52764909
Deathtouch and trample. Nice.
Do remember that Hapatra only gives you one snek per creature that gets a counter, so you don't want too many effects that put multiple counters on a single creature

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I just crafted an epic magical dice pouch yesterday. U mirin?

Would it be a good idea to build Yahenni as a voltron?

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>>52763888
It was around there when i bought it amigo

>>52765048

If I just saw that randomly, I'd be slightly jelly

The fact that you "crafted it" makes me a lot more interested though, how'd you do it?

>>52765095

Sure

>>52765097
No biggie, just felt it was kinda weird that you listed a $10 card together with some $100 cards as your most expensive cards.

Should I break the bank for mana crypt , FOW, flusterstorm and cradle (maybe mana drain too)?

It's for edric btw

>>52765131
id wait with flusterstorm. i can see them reprinting it soon.

>>52765131

No flusterstorm, get the other ones though

>>52765149
>>52765159

sweet, oh what do you guys think about mox diamond? shoot or nah?

>>52759302
probably the playsets of polluted deltas and wooded foothills, avacyn, yavimaya hollow, prerelease promo nissa flipwalker, kebab koffers and necropotence.
i may have missed something. also these are technically from two decks, Karametra and Rakdos.

>>52765173
I would put it on the list after Crypt and Force, not the best bang for buck.

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>only in 523 decks

hidden op

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>>52765098
I was visiting my grandma and asked if she has any crafting mats. Then I just picked some cloth, rope and buttons and started sewing. I like to try random stuff. I've also built custom wooden deck boxes with built in token compartments and space for dice.

>>52763138
Jesus christ anon which lands are you running?

>>52764978
No no, I saw, but it's okay. I'm used to this restriction after Sidisi.

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That new RG(w) legendary (Samut?) is going to be amazing.

Not anywhere near competetive, but it's going to be a super viable voltron or creature beatdown commander.

A friend of mine has a Kalemne deck and this thing pretty much makes her obselete, he started converting it right after seeing the spoilers.
Comes in one turn later, but instead has flash, haste, mass haste, untaps other creatures AND gives access to green.

Lots of cards that become viable with her as well due to them being able to tap the second they hit the board and then having Tamut untap them so you can activate a second time.

>>52765731
Because of access to green it can come down earlier than Kalemne

>>52765731
I dunno man.

It's a pretty good Naya commander if you're bored of Marath/Mayael

Uril is boring af but that's enchantress for you.

>>52765897
I like the ability to attack, then tap brass squire to attach equipment, then use Samut's ability to untap it and equip another.

>>52765868
You also clear a lot of deckslots when you no longer need things that grant haste. No hastelands, no greaves and swiftfoot boots, definitely no fervor, anger or hammer of purph

>>52758947
Cyclonic Rift.

>>52765095
Build him as board wipe tribal with a voltron sub-theme instead, trust me

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>>52756702
>Any recent memorable wins with cards you did not planned as wincons in your deck?

My main wincon in Yidris is aetherflux reservoir, but I have some wheeling in the deck as well

This fucker made like 200 elves

>>52758947
You're favorite card

Even if I had every land, should I run all the shocks/ pains/ fetches/ whatever's? Not sure how many, or which, to include and why, in 2-5 color decks.

>>52766342
Fetches and shocks aren't really needed unless you're playing a cutthroat blistering fast duel commander deck, usually they're needed when you start building 4-5 color decks or if you're building a landfall deck or Titania/Gitrog and you already have a Crucible of Worlds/Life from the Loam

>>52764777
This guy fucks.

>Nothing to do on a Friday
>Go down to LGS for their weekly Commander League
>Sit down at first pod
>Playing Anafenza against Ambassaor Laquatus, Xira Arien, and Karador
>Decide to be friendly
Ah, a fellow purveyor of Abzan, I see?
>"Yes. Anafenza, hm? ...Not my first choice of Commander..." replies Karador
>dafuq.jpeg
>Play begins, turn 2 drop Scavenging Ooze
>"Scavenging Ooze? Doesn't really combo with Anafenza, does it?" snips Karador again
>ThisFuckingGuy.png
>Play continues as Xira plays some Jund beaters, and Laquatus decides on milling me like its a good idea in Commander. Especially when I'm the only player with access to his graveyard Thanks to Anafenza and Scooze
>Karador has done next to nothing besides drop Lifespinner and Duneblast and gets drained for 4 for his trouble from my Blood Artist.
>Continues to scrutinize my plays.
>I guess he needed something to do since between Anafenza and Grafdigger's Cage, I basically wasn't allowing him to play.
>Xira beats Laquatus to death with Managorger Hydra and Dragon Mage netting me a fresh rip in the process
>Xira's player is p-cool
>We team up and pick on Karador to death
>Win off Felidar Sovereign despite her best efforts to put me below 40
So fucking satisfying.
The moral of the story is don't be a twat if you can't back it up, kids.

>>52766651
... what egregious crime did this guy commit again?

>>52766893
Talked shit. Got hit.

>>52766651
To be fair, the guy just sounded autismal, but doesn't sound hostile or cunt for that matter. Just the normal guy that thinks his deck is the only proper way of building in those colours.
Besides, Anafenza isn't even that good, stop being so defensive of you're a shit waifu

>>52767024
He was being pretty cunty. Hard to convey tone through text
>implying Anafenza is my Commanderfu
Please. That's Marchesa if anyone.

Who is a fun 3 color commander?

My idea of fun is actual fun; doing silly shit and having a blast with everyone.

>>52767571
>>52767571
>>52767571
new thread

>>52766967
Didn't sound like any shit was talked. Were they a little snide? Yeah, but you were also locking them out of play. You brought an anti-grave commander and tried to act buddy-buddy with the reanimator player. Can you not see that you inherently countered their deck from the get-go?