EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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>>52740665
>Do you run hipster commanders? More importantly, do you actually win?
Yes.

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>>52740734
>Selenia, der Dunkle Engel
The Charles Barkley of MTG.

What is the Stone Cold Stunner of your edh deck

>>52740828
Casting Obliterate while cheating a Blightsteel into play

>>52740828
Last Laugh in my Saskia punisher deck. I flip into it 9/10 times with primal surge, along with 2-3 fetches and a glacial chasm. Literally just watch as the entire table burns for 15+ in the late game

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I don't have a hipster commander, but I do want to build Asmira token voltron.

>>52741260
Don't forget your Guay basics.

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>>52740828
BAH GOD HE BROKE HIM IN HALF

>>52740665
>Do you run hipster commanders?
Yes
>do you actually win?
Regularly

>>52740665
Is Lovisa, Coldeyes hipster? It does win decently often.

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>want to make this beautiful bastard
>the thought of a mono white deck makes me want to die

>>52740828
Jokulhaups/Obliterate into Faith's Reward
Tap out to cast that Tasigur. Do it faggot, I dare you

>>52741490
>tapping out to cast Tasigur
Are we on turn 2? Why are you nuking the board turn 2?

>>52740665
>Do you run hipster commanders? More importantly, do you actually win?
Both Crosis and Radha win fairly regularly, yeah. Crosis is a harder fight, due to being a worse deck and being a strange dragon control deck, but it wins about 60-70% of the games it plays.

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I've been wondering how flexible the term hatebear is?
I've heard that it refers to 2 mana creatures or 2/2 or 2 mana 2/2's with strong abilities, such as Gaddock Teeg. I assume that it most likely means cheap, efficient creatures.
Are Aven Mindcensor and Hushwing Gryff hatebears? What are the best ones and are they most GW colours? Is the new red guy that shocks from abilities a hatebear?

My group has recently become obsessed with the Kingdoms variant. All my decks are absolutely terrible for this. Hyper-aggro is the best way to play anything other than the Usurper.

>>52741602
It's been slowly reappropriated from it's original meaning of a 2 drop 2/2 with a strong control ability. I've seen it used to describe cheaper (1-3 mana) 2/2s with strong abilities and 2 mana not 2/2s with strong abilities. In short, people who didn't know what the term meant started using it loosely. Aven Mindcensor is not a hatebear.

>>52741663
How is Mindcensor not a hatebear? It completely fucks up a ton of strategies.

>>52741685
Seriously? Did you not read my post?

It's not 2 mana. It can't be a hatebear because it's not a bear.

>>52741697
>Did you not read my post?
nope

>m-muh 2 mana only!

>>52741719

>>52741602
Hatebears are 2-3 mana creatures, usually in White, that prevent your opponent from playing the game by either taxing them or limiting them (soft hate), or just flat out preventing their strategy from working (hard hate). They can be further categorized into soft and hard,

Mindcensor and Hushwing are decent examples of softer hatebears vs hard ones. Other soft hatebears would be both Thalias and Leonin Arbiter, other hard bears would Gaddock Teeg, Eidolon of Rhetoric, and Spirit of the Labyrinth.

I'd say he definitely qualifies, but the only question is whether he's good enough to be widely played outside burn where he's fairly worthwhile sideboard tech against Lantern Control (and maybe Affinity too).

>>52741823
This is EDH, where tutors and deck searching are king. Mindcensor is very good in this format

How do Past in Flames and suspend cards like Wheel of Fate work?

>>52741920
Wheel of Fate and similar cards have a null mana cost, so you can't flash it back with something like Past in Flames or Snappy

>>52741920
It gains flashback equal to 0

>>52741936
>>52741938
/edh/ general everyone

>>52741938
>This has no mana cost, which means its mana cost can’t be paid for effects such as replicate from Djinn Illuminatus or flashback from Snapcaster Mage.
Straight from the Wheel of Fate page on Gatherer

>>52741525
I already removed him the last two times you cast him
Because I play Zurgo control

>>52740828
Seton: using gilt leaf archruid and rings of brighthearth to steal everyone's lands

Thromok: in a 4 player game, killing one player with pandemonium/warstorm surge and thromok, one with attacking with thromok, and one with fling or altar of dementia. Alternatively, psychosis crawler + rishkar's expertise + Thromok.

Oloro: Aetherflux on everyone in one turn

Sen triplets: Using paradox haze and infinite mana to cast all my opponent's cards.

Merieke: untapping into either controlling everything or destroying everything.

Kami of the crescent moon: Arcane lab + Forbid + Drawing 6+ cards a turn (make it stop)

Kozilek: casting Kozilek on turn 2 or earlier.

Halfdane: Actually winning.

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so how do i build yidris? i bought the precon and have been fucking with it but no matter what i do i never seem to able to really abuse the cascade stuff i get like one cascade trigger and then the enemy just blows her up or has another way of dealing with 4 trample damage. even when i get through im casting like 4 cmc spells which while awesome dont really do a whole lot for me long term. what kinda stuff should i be putting in this deck to make it realyl awesome?

>>52742179
Doomsday. Storm. ANT.

What's a good commander for mono black reanimation
Also what are some essentials to make sure my commander doesn't get killed the moment they're summoned

>>52742344
Chainer is probably the best reanimator general in mono-black.

>>52741955
One of those is right though.

I'm actually excited to build a Kefnet Deck.

What are some clever blue wincons I can throw in besides Omniscience?

I also have the Draw Entire Deck + Laboratory Maniac combo

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>trying to build a hanna deck.
>every land, spell, and some artifacts are expensive as fuck.

someone who has played this sweet artifact deck, is it worth actually worth the price?

well, I'll just have to wait til I'm not poor. heheh... ;-;

>>52742155
>Merieke
>controlling everything

Merieke can only control one thing short of copying her ability with Brighthearth effects. The way it was worded makes it sound like you were stacking her effects to grab multiple things which is illegal.

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>>52742510
You play every Invocation with his art in it, then play every card he features in, then try to simply get infinite blue mana, draw your deck, and win through either Lab Man or Aetherflux reservoir.

That is your trial of Knowledge, no go get that Force of Will...

am i an asshole for playing Edric.dec?

I love how casuals think he's casual with all the trash beaters i play but they start realizing the folly of their actions when I take my 6th turn in a row. Delicious casual tears

>>52742627
You can actually do that. If you untap her in response to the activated ability and usr the ability again, you'll have both the targets, since the delayed trigger can only happrn after the activated ability resolves.

Any suggestions for a mid power level Tazri deck for keeping the board under control? I don't want the deck to be nothing but Allies and some equipment since that can get fucked pretty heavily. I have a Merciless Eviction, Wear/Tear and a Cyclonic Rift so far.

>>52742510
Patron of the moon does it better
these Nu gods suck so bad, none of them are EDH playable

>>52742641
>try to simply get infinite blue mana, draw your deck, and win through either Lab Man or Aetherflux reservoir.

This is both why the card is good, but also so boring. I wish he could attack easier.

>>52742682
nigga if you're playing tazri you're playing combo

this is how you do it:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-fct-250/

>>52742685
Kefnet is better then Patron by a long shot due to the infinite mana dumping for the win.

The problem is that a simic commander literally does that so much easier for the exact same strategy.

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So /edhg/ I told my normie friend that I would post his deck here to get him some feedback. He's seeking to make it more optimized He actually owns the cards since he's been playing since Revised

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-queens-good-stuff/

>>52742179
the correct way to build yidris is to use him a placeholder commander. you'll only ever need 1 swing to win big then storm out

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/melt-banana/

>>52742510
The 'ol Pala-Architect combo wins instantly with your commander, and don't forget to grab Land Equilibrium for those sweet stax dreams.

>>52742641
What lands have good ETB triggers to recur with Kefnet?

I would like to build a Kydele and Tana commander deck.

Any ideas? I like temur but there's so many options its hard to narrow them down.

>>52742685
I'm picking Kefnet solely based on flavor.
I like blue, I like drawing cards, and I like commanders who can fight.

>>52742737
You dont care about the lands, you just make infinite mana and draw then play your deck to win.

There are no lands that matter for him.

>>52742721
That deck is fucking awful. Too much big mana shit and literally just Farseek, Shard Convergence (why?) and five rocks to get there.

>>52742720
really? but patron combos out better imo
having a combo enging commander sounds better than a mana dump commander

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>>52742773
Great feedback, now show us your decks

>>52742836
I run a bunch of casual jank decks and Selvala Storm as my serious deck.

But really, the average CMC is nearly 4 and the ramp is non-existent, and I'm being really fucking generous calling Shard Convergence and Gilded Lotus ramp.

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What's that one commander that you want to build despite there being better options out there.

>>52742883
I'm curious as to Selvala storm, do you have a deck list I could look at?

>>52742883
Wew opinion discarded then, you're just some jealous faggot without any real idea on how to work a deck

>>52742909
Google it.

>>52742921
Cute.

>>52741332
This thing is hilarious in Roon. Definitely a Stone Cold Stunner in Roon because you can use Roon to blink the Chimera back to you so you can steal him back to use it again.

>>52742921
>Give me feedback
>But only if it's telling me how good I am
Sad!

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>>52742951
Not even my deck faggot, I posted it here for him because he doesn't know this place. If the only feedback is too much ramp of course I'm going to call out on being a jealous fag

>>52742971
>too much ramp
Literally the opposite of what I said, and who the fuck would be jealous of Shard Convergence?

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>>52740828
sheilds of velis vel in my hazazon deck, favorite board wipe in the deck
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hazezon-the-sandman-1/

>>52742992
Damn that's spicy.

>>52742985
>who the fuck would be jealous of Shard Convergence?

Clearly you are since you keep posting about it

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>>52742721
>normie
>playing since Revised
That's not a normie.

Anyways, I did a couple test hands, they all either did literally nothing until turn 4/5 when I could drop the commander (God help me if she gets removed), or didn't have the capability to actually play the game.

Is your meta alright with that? You'd be fucking dead playing slivers in my meta and not interacting that long, and we're pretty casual.

>>52743010
lol casual edh fags sure get easily ass blasted

>>52743046
I mean normie as in this is only truly "nerd" hobby. He doesn't tend to get that screwed on mana and has won multiple games with it, couldn't answer why to the cmc is so high and our meta is semi competitive with 2 tryhard spikes who usually duke it out with each other and ignore him unless he starts to build up

>>52743010
Stop posting anytime.

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>>52743102
Mathematically his deck should be fucking him in the ass almost every time.

Very little card draw, ramp, running a combo commander with only one actual tutor in the deck.

More importantly why does he only run four fetchlands?

>>52743089
I mean if my "competitive/best" deck was Selvala storm I would be butthurt too

>>52743149
That guy isn't me but Selvala is T2 with a consistent turn 3 win dude.

>>52743145
He's working on getting more fetches, I couldn't explain why he doesn't get as screwed as the automated hand draws do.

>>52743166
Stacking any deck can win turn 3, doesn't mean its good. really I don't give a fuck because nobody plays Selvala in meta

>>52743228
You have no idea what you're talking about, why do you continue talking about competitive EDH when you play casual?

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>>52743228
Because he cheats probably.

>>52743235
Because I'm doing a favor for a friend? Also "competitive" is a fickle term, not everything you see online actually works

>>52743255
I'll watch him more closely next time we play

>>52743228
>I couldn't explain why he doesn't get as screwed as the automated hand draws do
He's stacking his hand or his deck. No 5c deck with a mana base that inconsistent can fire off as consistently as that one seems to.

>>52741395
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/budget-odric-keyword-kombat/
Do it, he's breddy fun

>>52743434
He doesn't fire off that often, the deck obviously has its problems and he's working to fix it. Sometimes he gets screwed on his mana and only gets 3 lands before getting stuck, other times he gets all his land and nothing else besides the queen and what tokens he generates

>>52743336
There is a literal tier list of decks that make up competitive multiplayer EDH. If you're not familiar with at least that then you probably shouldn't comment.

>>52743590
Competitive EDH is awful though

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>>52743590
>If you're not familiar with this list of commanders made by a bunch of people who are full of shit and the decks actually only kill 1 opponent >dual commander you don't have an opinion

>>52743630
You aren't wrong but that's not the topic at discussion.

>>52743652
You literally have no idea what you're talking about. Storm, Stax, TFC, PFC, Selvala, Yisan, Karador, Scion Hermit Druid defeat every opponent, it's kind of the point of the decks.

The term you randomly added to your post that has nothing to do with what anyone is talking about is Duel Commander, not Dual Commander. Also, learn how to greentext.

>>52743761
Most of them crumble at the split second of disruption, really you just need to chill out because you are getting yourself frustrated for no reason other than someone's post

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>>52742921

>>52743805
That simply isn't true though. Why are you still posting?

>>52743819
>That simply isn't true

Because you keep replying to me, it most likely is. I already got some actual feedback from Reddit and other sites because you like jacking it to your shitbrews and netdecks

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>>52743868
That makes sense as to why you're so unfamiliar with 4chan's terminology and posting.

You're going to have to go back.

>>52743892
>People use sites other than 4chan to discuss topics
>All these implications

If you're done shitposting now, you're free to leave

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>>52743925

>>52741395
>Implying mono-white isn't amazing.

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>>52743868
Are you trying to compensate for something? Consider some introspection before you hit submit next time.

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>>52740734

>>52742641
He may not be the best blue, but god damn he embodies blue so fucking much.

>Durdle and disrupt the board
>Suddenly get infinite mana through bullshit
>Win immediately

God its so stupid I love it.

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>>52743892
Are we building a wall between 4chan and reddit again?

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>>52743957

>>52744062
>memegenerator

>>52743986
I already got I wanted, I'm just egging him on for as long as he replies now. The fact I haven't got a bait image is surprising

>>52744101
You may find multiple year old memes on /b/ and Reddit, if you'd like to go check there.

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>>52744101
>ask for advice
>get overly defensive at legitimate critique
>pffsh, I already got what I wanted suckers

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>>52744076
>Not using memegenerator

How else you gonna be cool and hip old timer?

Geninuine question to stop all this awful shitposting, what is the best hate to stop brago outside of killing it everytime? Guy in our meta keeps playing it and managing to get the same shit everytime much to everyone's annoyance. I want to call him out on stacking but I don't want my group to think I'm being especially salty about this. I already know about torpor orb and gryff

>>52744199
Containment Priest if he's blinking creatures.

>>52744199
Depends on exactly what he's doing, but Stony Silence, Humility, Kataki, Containment Priest, and friends will do it usually.

>>52744199
Gather specimens is pretty spicy here, as is Faerie Artisans. People have already mentioned containment priest, and you can just kill brago like twice.

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>>52740828
Primordial Hydra

>>52744123
>Actually knowing what's on reddit
Follow this advice>>52743957

>>52744197
>Implications
>Only instance of "getting defensive" is putting down some fag's anger over a fucking land grabbing sorcery

>>52744280
>capitalizing with greentext
Why are you still here?

>>52744280
These two posts are pretty much the definition of getting defensive:
>>52742836
>>52742921

>>52744306
>Triggered by a fucking letter

Tumblr is obviously more of your speed

>>52743980
it isn't

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>>52744333
And you just confirmed my post. Way to go

>>52744374
Sadly this, I tried making a decent Brimaz deck but it only works in ultra casual metas where Sun Titan is a wincon

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>>52743980
>implying it is
there is only one good monowhite commander imo.

>>52744409
Actually that one wasn't me.

>>52744374
>Laughing Darien, King of Kjeldor

>>52744215
>>52744223
Specifically he's blinking stuff like Heliod's Pilgrim and Rishadan Footpad, using the Pilgrim to grab stuff like reality acid or traveler's cloak specifically for brago. He always got Heliod's Pilgrim out regardless of his start(usually turn 5 or earlier) which is why I am convinced he is cheating. I like all the stuff you gave me but am I stuck relying on torpor orb if I don't have access to white or blue?

>>52744709
Powerful interaction in the form of kill spells.

Specifically what colors are you running?

>>52744709
How about you tell us what colors you're in before we throw out answers then.

>>52744709
If you don't have white or blue, then you just KILL the stuff he's blinking. Beast Within, Krosan Grip, Murder, Terminate, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, Lightning Bolt, etc.

If you want him to be really salty, cast sudden spoiling in response to declare attackers. Alternatively, make a big black mana deck and cast Sadistic Sacrament(kicked) so that he can't grab random bullshit out of his library.

Or, play WUG turbo fog and prevent anyone from dealing combat damage ever, especially Brago. :^)

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>>52744769
>>52744767
Mono Red

>>52744806
I wish I didn't have to sound like such a whiny faggot but my group is full of spikes and I can't play fun jank like that other than Kaervek and Gitrog(my only competitive deck that lacks half of the fetchlands)

>>52744884
Oh, you've got it pretty easy then. Mono-red has great removal.

...

Chaos warp, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast, Bolt, Shock, Shattering Spree, Vandalblast, Flame Slash, Galvanic Blast(assuming artifacts), Rending Volley, Blasphemous Act, Mizzium Mortars.

Some of that stuff hits artifacts, some of that hits creatures. What's the actual commander, though? Daretti?

>>52744884
>Mono Red
>Group is competitive

Run MLD, ruination, boil, blood moon, etc. Brago won't be a problem if he never has the mana to play him.

If your group isn't competitive enough for MLD then you just get fucked. It's the only thing mono red has going for it in general.

>>52744969
Kazuul. Its not that great but it does fairly well in the meta. Is bolt actually that useful in edh? I always wrote it off for being a 1 or 2 time use except for things like keranos

>>52745015
It's useful in the situation that 'i don't have enough removal, let's just jam bolt in here.' It won't hit most things, but it'll hit the important stuff- most utility creatures & bops don't pass the bolt test. It hits lab man, and that's good enough for me in mono-red.

>>52744884
Make everything an artifact with Lattice and cast Obliterate

Run Slobad to make half your artifacts indestructible

Beat face

I'm considering building a tribal deck as budget as humanly possible, does anyone have any recommendations? My ideas so far are goblins without the expensive Lords and birds.

>>52745013
>>52745015
This guy also has the right idea; competitive mono-red is 'nobody gets to do anything ever' land. Punish them for greedy manabases with blood moon, and make them suffer.

Alternatively, you could play a non-monocolor deck, because non-artifacts red is extremely weak. The only monocolor decks near competitive are artifacts red, elves green,
and wizards blue.

I recommend something including White. Mardu &
Jeskai are both pretty good.

>>52745099
Zombies are a pretty cheap tribe, last I checked, and they're getting a bunch of new toys in Amonkhet.

>>52745099
Minotaur, Bird, Sphinx, Cat, much of Dragon and Sea creature tribals are dirt cheap.

>group has turned into Timmytown "windmill slam creatures and build huge boardstates"
>no one has any fear of disruption

It's high time I build an honest-to-goodness control deck. Probably in Dimir or Esper colors since the disruption is so good (counters, kills, discard, etc). Sen Triplets looks pretty dank for this but I know I'll draw massive hate when I play them, and I'd rather fly somewhat under the radar until I can resolve a Doomsday or something, taking care of threats along the way

>>52745015
There are a surprising amount of important commanders and creatures that die to bolt or even shock, but remember that narrow 1-for-1 removal is not great in multiplayer formats unless you have the draw/recursion to keep it going

>>52745142
You could accomplish the same with any color combination playing blue. Zur the Enchanter would be a good commander for esper control / stax, though. You'd be amazed by how many powerful stax effects are cmc 3 or less enchantments.

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>mfw my friend gives me an extra mana vault he had "just because"

How many of you have generous people in your group?

>>52745268
I am that generous guy in my playgroup.

>>52745268
I am that generous guy, usually when I'm feeling bad about myself.

>guy talks to me after fnm about the differences between our rakdos vampires decklists(it's standard but w/e)
>we do this for a little while, but he compliments the parts of my deck that he likes
>I end up giving him a couple of Drana, NewOlivia, and some untap lands because i'm not going to be upgrading the deck.

>shitty day at work, go to casual MTG tuesday night anyway
>there's a new guy there with his omnath deck
>okay, it's omnath, but-
>there's a bunch of vanilla creatures, 3 copies of Emrakul's Hatcher, and like one whole ramp spell
>I give him a bunch of stuff out of my trade binder that I was planning on putting in my omnath deck, and even go out of my way to buy him cards from the LGS because I had money to spare(around 20$ worth of stuff, but still)
>He still comes to casual night and we play occasionally. He's getting better and almost beat me once.

One time, a buddy bought me into a draft though. Didn't pull anything exciting, but it was fun.

>>52745268
We're all that guy in our group, last week we all pulled together cards in our binders to make a guy who didn't have an EDH deck one, it was greta.

Anyone would be kind enough to give me a list for Mayael or Marath? I'm too lazy to build one for myself.


I accidentally posted this on the wrong board.

>>52745787
Google is your friend.

>>52742559

I played it heavy UW control featuring enchantments and Mindslaver.

What are good wincons for Marchesa mardu hatebears - now with Harsh Mentor edition?

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Blind Seer into Dismiss into Dream

>>52745953
Hope your opponent sees your two-mana Shock in a forty-life fortmat and thinks "Man I should really just activate Shaman en-Kor 20 times."

>>52743149
>selvala
>not competitive
>plays shard convergence

why are you still alive

>>52745667
Yup, same here.

>new kid shows up at LGS, brings out binder of cards his father gave him
>also made completely garbage green deck using the cards, and bought an EDH precon
>most expensive card is Braids
>everything else is garbage bin commons
>friends get together to upgrade his deck
>give his mono green deck a complete re haul, easily passing $80 in cards
>give him dozens of EDH staples that weren't in the decks (signets, cultivate, kodama's reach, slime, eternal witness etc)
>well over $100 in random stuff by now
>he has 20 or so same-art old border basic swamps that look pretty sweet, friend asks if he can get them as a "trade" for the cards we gave him
>kid screams "NO, I WAS TOLD NOT TO TRADE, YOU WILL TRY TO SCAM ME BECAUSE IM NEW!"
>"Calm down, we just gave you stuff worth over $100, here check this website, the basics are only $0.10 each"
>Kid basically "REEEEES" while threatening us to not try to scam him and that if he finds out we were trying to trick him he's going to make us pay
>Get him to calm down and say that he can keep his basic lands
>he starts coming to the LGS regularely
>kid turns out to be completely sperg and is unbearable to be near
>everyone regrets helping him out

I also given away 50-60,000 random cards to various kids. When I open a box for draft at the LGS, I usually keep the interesting cards and give the rest away to some 10 year old kid. Once I bought 4 garbage bags full of cards, me and some friends spent the day sorting through them to find good stuff. Afterwards we let some kids take as much as they could carry.

>>52745953
helm of obedience + leyline of the void / rest in peace combo.

Infinite mana + x-cost spells.

Put 90 copies of Warp World onto the stack.

>>52746059
kids are retarded friend, and i guess so are you

>>52742721
Kinda late in adding my thoughts, but that deck is a hot pile of garbage.

Pretty much in the tier of "Does literally nothing unless I topdeck Mana Echoes or Doubling Season. Almost guaranteed to not make a single relevant play until turn 4-5.

>no draw
>almost tutors
>so many random cards that do nothing to support the strategy and cost like 5-10 mana
>Average CMC of the deck is almost fucking 4!

>>52746235
By kid I mean he was 14.

>>52746260
That is indeed a kid.

>>52746281
Yeah definitely, but you expect them to act differently than from an eight year old.

>>52746310
Why exactly would you expect that? Don't interact with people who aren't legally responsible for themselves.

>>52740828
Fate transfer or bioshift 15 or more +1/+1 counters onto Atraxa for some "surprise, you're dead" levels of commander damage.

So, That Guy at my local hangout for playing Magic has a Saskiya deck, and it's actively unfun to play against (well, he's unfun to play against regardless of what deck he uses, but still). He also gets smug as fuck every time he wins, I've decided I just want to make something that will shut his commander down since it's such a keystone to his deck.

Any suggestions? Should I just go full burn deck, or is there something to protect against targeted cars abilities (targeting the player, to be specific)? Barring that, I'll take suggestions for any other dickish things I can bring just to spite him.

>>52746442
Hard control could do it. Memnarch comes to mind

>>52746442
Saskia's ability doesn't target, scrub.

Your best bet is playing cards like Nevermore and naming Saskia, and actually running some damn removal. Other than that you can also stop him from attacking, stuff like Ensnaring Bridge, turbofog, Magus of the Moat etc.

>>52746310
hey man 14 y/o who has to spend his time in a card shop is socially retarded 8 times out of 10

>>52746442
man your playgroup must suck if 1-shot: the commander wins. just play a tier deck and get good

>>52746442
Crawlspace and Ensnaring Bridge will both fuck up his day.

So will strategies that discourage combat, like turbo-fog and mono-black control.

>>52746566
why not suggest something helpful instead of being a cunt? This is commander, a format where playgroups can cover the entire range from cutthroat turn 3-4 wins to "I slam terra stomper!"

The variety is actually something I enjoy.

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I want to build karametra "creature manasinks"

what would be some solid creatures for this deck?

>>52746601
Being an asshole on 4chan is fine as long as you help while calling them trash.

>>52746634
I'd be fine with it if he was actually providing help.

>>52742179
voltron.

>>52746601
sorry friendo, are there any tier/budget limits? didn't feel like suggesting because you'll end up the archenemy with the stuff off the top of my head

>>52742179
>>52746664

This guys is 300% wrong storm is the only way to go

I love commander i just hate how fuckhuge the decks are. Its such a pain to shuffle a double sleeved hundred card deck even with nice dragon shields.

>>52745268
>How many of you have generous people in your group?

Like my buddy who bought a box of Modern Masters and Conspiracy 2 so we can have a weird draft with interesting prizes?

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>>52746796
What's wrong babyhands?

Big ol doublesleeved deck too GIRTHY for you?

>>52746796
My hands are extremely small. Like smaller than tiny girls and trump small. I can still shuffle my 100 card double sleeved dragon shield decks no problem, just practice it and git gud.

>>52742559
Its expensive but if tuned the decks very competitive. Id recommend something else though cause its very pricy to get a nice list.

>>52746822
Maybe its just this batch of sleeves i got. I got the matte orange dragon shields and the shuffle feels just off. Its odd. Next time im at the LGS im gonna pick up a pack of matte petrols and retry.
>>52746824
Ill try. Maybe its just a bad batch of sleeves im not sure, they were very tight and hard to get cards in on some

>>52746851
The dragon shield mattes don't shuffle terribly smoothly, but they protect your deck like nothing else.

The ultimate guard sleeves that just came out are extremely good shuffling, but IDK how well they protect a deck, or how much they slide around. Very cost-efficient, though.

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What's your ideal size for a pod? How do you deal with suboptimal pod sizes?
For me the ideal EDH game is between three or four people. If we're six people, we just split into two pods of three. But if we're five people, we're fucked. Five player FFAs take way too long between turns and you can't progress the game properly because too many board wipes. So how can we make 5 player games bearable?
We tried the whole king assassin guard thing, but that still takes a long time between turns. I figured Archenemy is a nice way to handle it, because there's only two parties yet everyone gets to play. Is Archenemy somewhat balanced for something like 3v2?

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>>52746851
Honestly dragon shields are a tight fit, but you know what they say. .. sleeves are like women, the more time and love you put into spending time with them, the better they'll feel in your hands

>>52746921
Four people. This is indisputable.

Three people quickly becomes archenemy, while any more is unhealthy for the game by surpassing critical mass on board wipes, while also allowing for too much information to be on a boardstate.

>>52746936
Yeah, it's easy to just run away with a 3 man game. Or when you stumble at first so the other two leave you alone and fight each other, then you come back and finish both.
But the game is so wonderfully short, so even if that happens, it's over quickly.

>>52746921
3-4 players is perfect. When I'm playing in a larger pod I'll play conservatively with my spells and mana.
>>52746934
I really like how KMC Hypermattes shuffle and feel, but that's just me.

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>>52746921
#
1- playtesting early game
2- "sparring", not ideal, but you get to test the strength of your removal well
3-fun, but leads to one player falling behind, other two leave him alone until he can slide back in and win it all
4- the perfect pod, truly how edh was meant to be played
5- always a 5th wheel every game. Too many moving parts, leads to messy plays due to "I can't see what's going on over there"
6- Mario party
7+ - too many fucking boardwipes. Still fun as a "battle royale" see how long you last

>>52746921
4 people, though I would rather play a five man than a three. Five is only bad if you have a surplus of control decks in the pod, and honestly that shit is just as bad in 4 man's. If you have 3 people constantly wrathing it's going to be bad regardless of your pod size.

>>52746986
7 players? what do you do between your turns, make lasagna? watch lord of the rings?

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>>52746529
>Choose a player
Sounds like targeting to me m8.

>>52746566
The reason he wins is that we have four players; Myself, a guy who plays for fun and is pretty okay, a guy who plays with no goal besides being a dick (by his own admittance), he uses shit like Fate Spinner, Dream Tides, things that generally make him annoying and this make him a target, plus some infinite combos (one for infinite mana, one for "gain a life whenever someone takes damage, and this other cards deals damage whenever I gain a life for insta-game"), but he usually doesn't win because he doesn't add enough lands to his deck and gets focused because everything in his deck is meant to be annoying. And then the Saskia guy, who in addition to having an unfun deck (get creatures while we focus Annoying Guy, wipe enemy's board and get Saskia out to double damage someone for game), is just generally unpleasant to play against. For example, he bitches and moans about everyone targeting him when he's been attacked only once the whole game, and barely targeted by card effects.

I normally play a Ruric Thar mana ramp deck, which he bitches endlessly about, and also have a Sigarda the Heron's Grace deck, whom he targets immediately after entering the field because she makes it so he can't target me with Saskia if she enters the battlefield when I have her out.

I try not to target him, partly because he'll bitch about it and partly because I -do- want to be fair, but his smug attitude every time he wins has finally gotten to me so I'm ready to take the gloves off. I'd rather lose to Annoying Guy than lose to him at that point.

>>52747066
Plan your next turn, you've got 6 opponents, that's alot to think about, alot of politics

>>52747212
>sounds like targeting
Oh, it does?
Because I don't see target written a single time in that sentence. At least double check your reply before you make a fool of yourself.

>>52747223
>>52747212
Oh, and after reading your post I realized you're ALL bad.

Sigarda being in play doesn't mean he can't CHOOSE you with Saskia

>>52747236
Learn how to play retard.

>>52747212
>there are people who have basically infinite resources available to themselves but are incapable of ever improving and play this bad

>>52747240
>>52747236

Choosing a player doesn't target that player.

A card that says "target player ______" targets a player.

You can use saskias choose a player on someone with an ivory mask

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>>52747240
You don't deserve help

>>52747270
>>52747265
Whoops, didn't catch the double negative in the post.

I'm aware of the discrepancy between choosing and targeting.

>>52747252
Yeah, he's...an interesting case. He has a ton of things in his deck that makes him hard to deal with, including the two aforementioned infinite combos. But I think he's only won once since I started playing here.

Closest he ever came was when he got his infinite mana combo and had a full field full of shit, enough that nothing short of a board wipe was going to get rid of it all. I drew, saw he didn't have any cards in his hand, played Aetherflux Reservoir and played enough spells to get over 50 life, used it to deal 50 damage to him, and none of it mattered. Similar situation in the game gen actually did win, except he had a counter in his hand.

>>52747396
What? I was talking about you retard.

>>52747396
>>52747422

Man, didn't expect that image to be so useful today.
Such a stunning example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect
>>52743986

>>52747396
How long have you been playing magic?

>>52742641
I was going to get a Masterpiece Kefnet to be my Commander but the card looks so atrocious I think a foil one of these will be better.

The regular art is also great

I'm looking go build an old border only commander. Which commander would work best for this? Really janky Sisay? Lin Sivvi rebels?

>>52747671
Sisay exists with new border.

Lin Sivvi would work but a mono white deck sounds like a very boring experience.

>>52746971
The old hyper mats you mean. The newer ones are utter garbage.

>>52747706
>>52747671
Now some nice old-border only commanders are Sliver Queen, Angus Mackenzie, Hazezon Tamar, Phelddagrif, Xira Arien, Rasputin Dreamweaver, Selenia, Dark Angel, Zirilan of the Closed Claw and Adun Oakenshield.

>>52747706
I'm not opposed to the cards having new versions, I just want to be able to play the deck with 100 old bordered cards.

>>52747751
Maybe Jund good stuff with Xira or Adun could be interesting.

>>52746611
A friend plays Karametra something like that, hydras and big angels work well

>>52743998
Yo, I did not know this guy existed. That's some really fucking sick art.

Anybody ever sell a significant volume of cards to like... Card kingdom or channel fireball?

Wanted to know if they are as good as they seem, or if there's a better option for unloading bulk.

>>52748030
(Going with CK)

>>52742897
cat titts

>>52742179
I am building a land murder and burn spell deck out of mine. Cascading into ruining your field and making you cry bitter tears.

>>52746611
dawnglare invoker
ant queen
duskwatch recruiter
eldrazi displacer
oketra
rhonas
custodi soulbinders
realm seekers
tireless tracker
whisperwood elemental
mastery of the unseen
silklash spider
yeva
chameleon colossus
polukranos
whitemane lion
stonecloaker
glory
temur sabertooth
shaman of forgotten ways
genesis wave

I have a predicament with which I need your help, /edhg/

I am playing an Enchantress Voltron build (appedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/) and so far it's been a blast. However, after doing some research I realised that boardwipes that don't just destroy are more common than I want them to be.

I am therefore debating an option of including a third counterspell in the build instead of a piece of spot removal, to not further dilute my gameplan. So far my removal is:
>Swords, Beast Within, Krosan Grip, Aura of Silence (sorta)

My counterspells are:
>Arcane Denial, Swan Song
>Considering adding the vanilla Counterspell as a third one

Thoughts? Also, general thoughts on my build?

>>52748923
vanishing mah boi

>>52748923
Consider Delay from Future Sight. If you counter a boardwipe that will ruin your plans how often can you not win within 3 turns?

>tribal commander at my lgs next week
>banned tribes are elves, warriors, dragons, humans, sphinx (banned because they already won a tribal tourney)
>have to have 20 cards in your deck from your tribe
>all creatures have to be in your tribe or synergize (I need to double check, but I'm doing goblins with a clickslither for example)
>playing goblins with Krenko
>blood moon, price of glory, price of progress, stone rain, molten rain, battle strain, sulphuric vortex, burn spells, aggaravated assault, sieze the day, Goblin dark dwellers to hit all my burn spells again
>the usual goblins

Any secret tech given the rules of the tournament I should know about Krenko?

>>52749071
Kek, just play Seton druid tribal, it's not technically elves but most of your druids will be elves anyway.

>>52748974
this is some great tech anon, definitely easier on mana than flickerform - will definitely test

>>52748977
If I have Jenara properly enchanted - chances to win in three turns are pretty great. 1U does seem appealing but I am not sure how would it measure against a Counterspell. I will definitely consider it but my problem is not what spell to put in - but what to put out. Counterspell are not going to save me against a turn 2-3 dude swinging for 5+ infect.

>>52749071
>both allies and slivers are fine

I mean, really? Can the insta-hate really be enough to destroy both of them?

>>52749207
I want to play goblins because I already have the cards.

>>52749348
I meant why the fuck are Warriors banned when both Allies and Slivers are still okay to play?

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Do you proxy, /edhg/?

so what's the tech for getting pepe's lands back? do i need to drop the cash for life from the loam or crucible?

>>52749471
Splendid Reclamation, Creeping Renaissance naming lands, Paetor's Council if you're a bad enough dude maybe.

>>52749471
Sorry, it's loam and Crucible. I mean, Dakmor Salvage does good work, but don't rely on it Loam isn't that much cash, though

>>52749448
I hate the look of proxies so if I already have a single copy I order chinaman for multiples I need. In EDH at least, my legacy decks all have legit multiples.

>>52749448
I only proxy if I can find very pretty proxies.
Personally, I hate it when 90% of someone's deck value is in proxies, and if we play multiple games over the course of several weeks, and every time your cards are 'in the mail' I'm going to stop playing with you.

>>52749448
Only cards that I already have a copy of, and only if they're cheap anyways.
I'm not going to spend $30 getting Sol Rings, Lightning Greaves, and Reliquary Towers for all my decks, when I could pick up a Pact of Negation or save towards a Mana Drain.

>>52749448
I normally play with budget options instead. Makes for funnier games too.
>milling a 500 dollars Erebos out of the game with Telemin Performance
>Word of Seize-ing a Vraska and ulting her to kill the table
15cents cards are the best

>>52749435
A tribe is only banned after it wins the tourney

>>52749448
Yes, and my friends don't care, as long as I at least have 1 copy of the actual card.

I don't abuse it either, I just do it for 20% of the expensive EDH staples that I have.

>>52749658
Exactly. How bad is your meta when Slivers and Allies aren't the first tribes on the banlist?

>"Hmm... Should I shit on the Slivers, who, after being shit on so much, have managed to get a single Sliver out, or should I do something about the fucktillion Humans the Human player has out?"
>Ehh, probably just shit on the Slivers some more, lol!

>>52748923
Considering this topic in general, how much spot removal/counterspell is too much for a game plan that is not pure control and thus relies on them entirely?

For instance, in my Teysa I only run two pieces of non-creature based removal because Teysa herself already acts as repeatable exile. I am not too sure about my Jenara deck which is fast, but not turn 4-5 win fast.

>>52749695
People play them, just don't win.

I came in 2nd with a shitty elf tribal during a peasant commander tournament. PW (non flip, non ugin/Karn) commander, commons and in commons only .

My buddy won with a Bant Tamiyo deck. The meta just likes to have fun. Also LGS limits infinite combos to 5 per turn rotation

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>>52742179
I want him and Thrumming Stones/other Ripple cards and maybe storm and just make a blasting deck. throw a couple prowess minions in or something. I need more time to think of the deck but I love the idea of all 3 of these keywords going off.

>>52741602
For me the most defining aspect of hatebear is not the bear but hate part ie. a creature with a hating or taxing ability.

>>52749739
How quaint. Do you also have "X cards", which little Timmy can flash when he doesn't want his big battlecruiser bomb countered?

>>52749774
What's up your ass? Sorry to hear that you're upset about a meta you don't even play in

>>52749755
You do realise that Thrumming Stone doesn't actually work in Commander, unless you're playing Relentless Rats or Shadowborn Apostles? Ripple checks for cards with the same name as a spell you cast, and since (big surprise), Commander is a singleton format, it doesn't work.

>>52749795
that's because I'm retarded

>>52749785
I'm not upset, just teasing.

Granted, I would not have liked to play in such meta - ours is not too competitive but remains civil without arbitrary mandatory rules. But whatever floats your boat.

>>52746921
4 > 5 > 6 >>> 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2

3 either becomes a cold war of "if I kill X, I'll get killed by Y" or the resident aggro player goes out of control, every single game

>>52749448
Yeah. When making a new deck I generally proxy all the cards I don't have while testing it out. Then I start to phase out the proxies and replace them with real cards. It also means that I don't spend money on cards that turn out to not work well with the deck. In my local playgroup there are people who proxy their entire decks and luckily we don't have anyone asshurt enough to complain about it. As long as the proxies are decently printed so they don't interfere with playing, it doesn't seem to bother anyone.

>>52749801
You sound pretty mad, friendo. Actually giving a lot of credence to the ol "edh is filled with autism" adage.

>>52749721
If you ever lose to a combo without having an instant-speed answer then you're not running enough disruption. If you ever top deck disruption after a critical board wipe then you're running too much disruption.

>>52749877
If anything, it's your mannerisms and desire to vindicate your safe space hugbox that scream "autistic fedoralord" than anything else, but again, it's your problem, not mine.

>>52749877
>>52749925
You're both faggots. Now calm down.

>>52741260
>Make Asmira indestructible via Sheild of Kaldra, Darksteel Plate, That Which Was Taken etc
>Make lots of tokens
>Drop board wipes every turn
>Win game

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>>52749877
>>52749925
YOU MUST KISS. YOU MUST KISS!

>>52740665
>Do you run hipster commanders? More importantly, do you actually win?
What qualifies as a hipster commander? Unpopular? Low Tier? Or does it have to be old too?

I feel like my pet deck, Sydri, might well qualify because there's generally no excuse to run Sydri in the command zone -- basically everything she does, somebody else does better. Even "Esper artifact goodstuff" (which is how I play her) should probably be Sharuum. She gets her fair share of wins, though. I'm especially proud of that because I build Sydri from my own personal box of scraps: she got a couple relevant cards out of the Oloro precon she came with and everything else was shit I had on hand without buying singles, which lead to some batshit choices I'd never make if building normally, like Soldevi Steam Beast and Phyrexian Colossus. She's literally from commander so I could probably go more hipster pretty easily.

Rasputin Dreamweaver? Yeah, I think that'll work.

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>>52740665
>do I run hipster commanders?
Yes
>do I win?
...

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/

So this actually accurate or is it just a meme? The tier 1 decks actually look pretty easy to stop with simple disruption

>>52749695
Slivers and Allies will generally be more expensive to build because of the mana base. We're talking about a good 5 color mana base here afterall. A mediocre warrior deck is better than a shitty Sliver deck.

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>>52740665
I run Brion Stoutarm, Hanna Ships Navigator, Memnarch, Skittles, Ayli, Bladewing the Risen, Tibor&Lumia, Gisa & Geralf, Mogis (soon to be Neheb), Rith the Awakener, Ghave Guru of Spores, Experiment Kraj and Sapling of Colfenor. Are any of those hipster commanders?

>>52750529
From those you listed Mogis, Tibor/Lumia, and Rith are the only ones who scream hipster. Everything else sounds like tribal and goodstuff/pubstomp

>>52750529
I'd like to see a few of those lists, so could you just post your tappedout (assuming you have the lists uploaded)?

>>52750493
according to this, river guide is the most hipster my decks get

>>52750493
There are a lot of points to retort but for the most part it's roughly correct.

>>52750934
What are the retortable points and where is it correct? Not arguing with the tier 5 decisions as its most likely true

>>52750493
I think it's a good guideline. Not every Tazri deck will be Food Chain and not every Teferi deck will be turbostasis. I think of this more as a guide to show what the potential of a commander can be.

>>52742179
Double combat phases means you get two cascade triggers.

>>52748923
Why is Enchanted Evening in your deck?

>>52750529
>Brion
is a pretty fun commander honestly

>>52751242
Ancestral Mask and Ethereal Armor

What's /edh/'s deal with Boros honestly - is the "Boros sucks" meme still applicable when generals like Gisela and Brion exist? Sure they're not "lock the game down at turn 3" tier, but isn't that kind of EDH level of play just for spikefags to circlejerk over?
I want to transform my Hidetsugu into a Gisela deck for better consistency

>>52751285
Gisela still has a high cost and is easily removed. Kalemne is decent if you go giant tribal. Boros is the most fucked due to lacking any real serious card draw

>>52751285
its because outside of those commanders boros is a really shitty color combo and honestly those commander are not even very good

>>52751285
Red/White

Lacks access to good ramp, good card draw, not a lot of ways to interact with the stack, and is a color combo focused mostly on combat which is harder in a multiplayer format with starting life at 40

I wouldn't say boros sucks, no more then Mono-red or white. It's just missing a few things that EDH puts more focus on.

>>52750493
It's an ok measure of maximum potential. Any of the tier 1 commanders could be built as a casual durdlefest if you're going by a "75%" deckbuilding philosophy in a crap meta, but a tier 5 commander no matter how tuned just isn't going to stand up to a similarly tuned 3 or god forbid 1.

Basically, the lower tier somebody is on that list, the more work you'll have to do to make them good and the lower power you'll find yourself topping out at.

Roughly. Not every Tier X commander has the same ease or difficulty reaching (something like) their full potential. Krenko, for instance, can go 100% competitive at budget levels that would make Brago cry.

>>52751341
>>52751357
>>52751360
I mean I get the idea that they're a color mostly made for quick aggressive 1v1 games, but isn't that where Gisela shines then? Since she basically reduces the game to 1v1 proportions while she's out.
>lacking any real serious card draw
They have arguably the best skullclamp support in the game tho, and can tutor for it in multiple ways. Sure they still kinda suck otherwise, but I thought like pulling this out.

>>52748923
Pact, Voidslime and Disallow are all good catchall counterspells that probably warrant a slot. It really depends on how cutthroat your meta is. I've played in a lot of different metagames, and in the more swingy ones Cryptic Command is the best counter since is generates so much value. On the other hand I've played metas where CC is unplayable and the best counters are Swan Song, Force, Flusterstorm and Pact because they most effectively stop fast combo.

>>52751047
Not the same guy but I'd say the middle tiers are where it starts to get unreliable as a general resource. You have commanders in tier 3 like Newzuri, Nekusar, Oloro, Rafiq, OG Sigarda, non-infinite Slivers, Uril, Xenagod etc. that are very good choices in casual/75%/semi-competitive metas, but they're probably stuck in tier 3 just because they can't combat the tier 1-2 combo machines fast enough. Similarly, a lot of tier 1-2 commanders like e.g. Jeleva and Yidris are a lot worse than their tier implies if they're not explicitly built as their 100% competitive incarnations.

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Sygg seems pretty good for a merfolk n' wizard tribal, just giving himself or other merfolk protection at instant speed

anyone have experience with him?

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>>52751417
gisela costs a shit load of mana but boros has no way to actually ramp outside of easily destroyed artifacts and with no card draw you probably dont have the cards to protect her once you finally get enough mana to bring her out because no table is just going to let you have her out with no consequences. if if you are reliably able to get skull clamp with no way interact with the stack or stop your opponents from casting spell because your colors dont really support that it is highly unlikely that you will be able to keep it out long enough to get any real benefit from it. plus relying so heavily on a single card for your card draw is just asking for trouble.

believe me i want boros to be good too and i still play boros commanders (namely brion) but its just not a good color pairing in EDH, if your dead set on doing red white you are better off picking a 3 color commander with red and white in it

>>52751285
Gisela and Brion Stoutarm are also bad though.

Just went to town with Edric today. Smashed two games vs. Teferi stax, Atraxa, and Narset.

Feels good fighting vs high powered decks desu desu.

>>52751488
ya he is pretty cool. a guy in my play group play him a lot and while its not the most powerful deck ever it is pretty good

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nicol-bolas-back-in-the-game/

I don't suppose anyone would care to help me make a few cuts?

I got Leovold super cheap and was thinking about making him the commander of BUG reanimator. Can anyone help with that?

>>52751663
Like the entire manabase probably.

>>52751663
>32 lands in a color intense 8 mana general deck
Oh boy

>>52751704
The point of the cuts is to get more lands shoved in. I'm aware the count is criminally low, but I'm a greedy little jew, so I need help getting rid of stuff.

>>52751663
>>52751685
But really,

Avatar of Woe
Baral, Chief of Compliance
Deadeye Navigator
Dragonlord Kolaghan
Dragonlord Silumgar
Evil Twin
Gonti, Lord of Luxury
Hellkite Tyrant
Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Mindclaw Shaman
Nightscape Familiar
Notion Thief
Urabrask the Hidden

What the hell is most of this creature base? Notion Thief with no Wheels, bad cost reducers, crap like Baral and Avatar of Woe for no discernible reason. And what is a card as bad as Mindclaw Shaman doing in an EDH deck?

While we're here sell Mana Drain and buy every fetch and shock.

>>52751722
Ok let's see, you probably don't need those Control Magic auras, Telepathy (Seer's Vision is better if you insist in having a look at your opponents' hands), you're on Grixis you have better draw outlets than Mind's Eye (Blue Zenith maybe).

>>52751780
>And what is a card as bad as Mindclaw Shaman doing in an EDH deck?
Meta call or flavor reasons, probably. I do agree with most of the creatures looking a bot off in that list.

>>52751821
Nah, fuck you for defending Mindclaw Shaman being in a deck.

At least my Storm Crow is ironic.

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>>52751663
>Have wanted to make a Nico, Bolas deck for years
>every time I start to make it I realize I will never really enjoy it because my playgroup will kill me before I get my 10th turn
>scrap it immediately.
>mfw

>>52751845
I like him on Animar as secret tech because it can be cast for as low as R but in a no-ramp deck and little flicker effects like anon's he's bad.

>>52751902
>before I get my 10th turn
RAMP NIGGA RAMP that's what artifacts are for

>>52751285
Standard tier 1 spike faggots bemoaning anything not UGx
Just disregard them and don't play with anyone that uses a two-card infinite combo

>>52751663
>Isochron Scepter
You've got 6 targets for it, and it forces you to risk getting 2 for 1's
>Mind's Eye
It's a sweet foil and a powerful effect, but you're in blue. Try to find room for Dig, Cruise, FoF and Necro.
>DEN
You have 8 etb effects, none of which end the game on the spot sch as Palinchron and friends.
>Hellkite Tyrant
If you have a bunch of artifact decks it's a meta call I guess

>>52751845
It's a flavor card, let him have it.

>>52751780
Urabrask and Kolaghan serve a role in allowing me to immediately do something with the creatures I raise with Rise from the Dark Realms.

Silumgar, Evil Twin, Gonti, Mindclaw Shaman, Hellkite Tyrant and Notion Thief exist as part of the theme I tried to go for, in that they take your opponents' shit and do something with it. Avatar of Woe, Baral, Kira, Nightscape and Deadeye are there for cheap value.

Yes, I'm bad at Magic.

>>52751912
You don't understand how spiteful my group is. Any artifact I play would be destroyed before my next turn. It would literally become a 3 v 1 game

>>52751780
Mindclaw shaman is fun though, not crap at all. He should really consider switching Telepathy for Glasses of Urza though... or running both if he likes the effect so much.

>>52751821
>>52751942
Thank you. I'll have to take it out for a spin before doing more to it. I'll probably get my shit totally pushed in, but we'll see.

>>52752033
Try to jam smaller spells, at least cantrips and draw effects, your average CMC is too damn high for a non-Green deck with so little artifact ramp. Hopefully you won't be so wrecked as I think you will.

>>52751979
You have no way to fill your graveyard for Rise, no Wheels to support Notion Thief, few spells for Isochron Scepter, no sac outlets for Grave Pact, nothing cheap and powerful enough to use with Dualcaster Mage, and have an average CMC over 4 without ramp.

Soul Ransom should definitely not be in any deck.

Go get Ponder, Preordain, Read the Runes, Sign in Blood, Dismember, more lands,

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>Make a Jin Gitaxias deck
>Afraid my group will think it's complete homosex
>Intentionally make it weaker by removing some important blue staples
>Everyone still thinks it's homosex

>>52752139
That's the nature of mono-u decks. almost anything mono-u always throws up a warning sign for me at least.

>>52752139
Jin "The Chin" Jan, The Augur Man, Gitaxias is at his best when you stick him at the helm of a mostly monobrown/Eldrazi deck with a couple blue staples and some Islands swapped in. Just having him will set off lights in people's heads though.

>>52746921
2: I'd rather get cancer. This is how you get cancer. Fucking cancer.
3: Can be enjoyable when people don't hold grudges and act purely on board state, so that the 2v1 alliances change. This never happens. 3 is playable, but bad.
4: Glorious EDH as it was meant to be played.
5: I find that this is honestly fine, if you've got the right kind of table for it. This is where you start getting into special variants, too, and the general "let's not be super competitive" vibe that comes with 5 players is nice. Can definitely be a bit of a clusterfuck though so I wouldn't want this all the time.
6: Kingdoms. Otherwise, no.
7+: It's like an orgy. It sounds really great in your head, but then the more you think about it, or god forbid, do it, the more you realize how stupid and horrible it really is.

>>52752139
Work on getting over your homophobia instead :^)

What are the best commanders for a sneaky "can't block this" deck featuring swords of X and Y and value upon combat damage? I got Edric, Kaseto, Vela and Thassa and was wondering whether I'm missing anybody to put a new spin on the playstyle.

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>>52752907

>>52752907
Any legend from P3K, no one plays horsemanship anyway.

>>52752639
Pretty much agree, especially on the variants at 5. Star (or Shard/Wedge/Clan wars if you want) can be a ton of fun.

>>52752907
Edric is without a doubt the strongest.

>>52750621
http://tappedout.net/users/Stoutarm/mtg-decks/
I don't have all decks in tappedout and few of the decks I haven't updated, but some of them I have updated lately.

Just started playing EDH a few weeks ago and have a stupid question. Can I equip things to a creature that has shroud?

>>52753357
no

>>52753357
Nope, equip requires that you target.

>>52753357
equip is a sorcery ability, so no

>>52753609
jesus, /tg/.

>>52753609
>Right answer for the wrong reason: The Post

>>52753609
I have never seen as retarded answer as this that's also right but for wrong reason.

>>52753609
>you can't shuffle tokens into your decks because they have no mana cost
>you can't flashback Ancestral Vision because flashback doesn't let you activate abilities for free
>overload can hit things with hexproof because it removes "target" from hexproof's reminder text
Let's keep this up boys

>>52750493
>Angus MacKenzie
>tier 4

It's an okay list but tiers don't mean much of anything in the face of politics, short of bringing a tier 5 deck to a tier 1 meta.

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>>52753609
>>52753972

>>52752639
Congruent with my experience desu
7+ player with Planechase is fun for a joke, if you can get everybody to play fast

>>52753972
>you can order simultaneous triggers because you can rearrange the cards however you want on the board
>you can't respond to split second because it causes the stack to phase out

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what are some decent land untapping creatures for a GW paradox engine deck?

>>52754049
That whole list falls apart after like the first two tiers. Look at the company depala shares lmao

It does an OK job of letting you know you are in the shit if someone sits down at the table with a deck in the first few tiers, but beyond that it's a joke and they have probably never seen any of those decks in action, and couldn't form an informed opinion even if they tried.

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Reminder to check your mail.

>>52754686
how much and from where

>>52754626
Argothian Elder

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/17-04-17-elesh-norn-edh/

Just finished my Elesh Norn deck. Check it out.

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>>52754709
Sold a big batch of cards I never use out of binder to CFB to pimp out, here's my Paradox Engine/Ramp package

>>52754863
Which commander are you playing?

>>52754626
krosan restorer is the best if you can mill yourself seven cards

>>52754863
>paradox engine
god damn did that jump in price. It was around 5$ when released now its close to 20$

>>52754909
it's like $12 at the most for a non-foil

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>>52754890
You won't like it.
Melek

>>52754951
i live in canada unfortunately

>>52754961
I play the same deck but with Dramatic Reversal combo and Mizzix at the helm

>>52754980
i'm so sorry...

>>52754996
Are you using Isochron or just Reiterating it?

>>52755042
Echo Mage. I should get Reiterate and Scepter to have backups soon.

>>52754980
Canada seems like a nice place to live until I remember that everything costs more and you guys usually get things after America does.

What do you guys think of these choices for my Rishkar ramp/counters deck:

>Lifecrafter's Bestiary
Good on paper, but unsure if it will make the final cut...There HAVE been times where i've wanted to draw more and had way more mana than I needed.

>Planar Bridge
Good because I never have mana problems but maybe redundant since I have Chord, Tooth and Nail and Worldly Tutor?

>Yeva
Flash is extremely good and I hate waiting to draw Orrery...

>Kalonian Hydra
absolutely retarded card...but are there better options? I have hoof and avenger as my big finishers.

>>52754686
STOP REMINDING ME THAT EASTER MONDAY IS A PUBLIC HOLIDAY

FUCKING REEEEEEEEEE

Retrained Praetors when? I'd love to see possibly multicolor or at last updated Praetors. Elish Norn would likely be at least Azorius now and Jin would probably be either Dimir or Esper. I want to see rebel Urabrask.

>>52753972
>Supernatural Stamina does not result in an infinite combo with sacrifice outlets because the card text says "When", not "Whenever".
>Shadow of the Grave doesn't return cards you cast for their Madness cost because Madness exiles the card first.

>>52755099
I've got a Isochron in my binder, might test it out tonight, putting anything under it with >3 mana in rocks on the field makes infinite mana. Whir of Invention has been so huge for me, setting up to cast it off the top to copy getting Paradox and Gilded has been a game winner, but with Paradox on the field casting it copied for Isochron+Rock gives me another line of play.

>>52755212
>Shadow of the Grave doesn't return cards you cast for their Madness cost
Shit I'm getting baited I remember someone pointing out during spoiler season that's actually how they would interact

>>52755215
Whir is wonderful, twincasting it with Melek is bonkers. I have Melek in the 99 and I can switch them whenever I want but those sweet sweet free spells with Mizzix...