/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

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For the First!

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First for best legion

>>52551446
Have faith Word Bearer.

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>>52551446

Is there any sons of horus player in /HHG/?

>>52551446
You're late and you posted the wrong pic.

Thinking of having three dead legionaries on the base of my leviathan. Would three full bodies fit on the base or would it look cluttered? I may only put one and use the other two as objective markers.

>>52551508
Wasn't late, phoneposting tricked me

>>52551521
>we aren't traitors, the warp tricked us
Nice try Kor Phaeron

>>52551482
I'd play them but I'm too loyal for that shit.
Why do you ask?

>>52551550
The false emperor tricked you loyalist scum

>>52551482
Luna Wolves here, not Sons of Horus.

>>52551551
We have Iron Warriors, Death Guard, Ultras, Word Bearers, Imperial Fists, Thousand Sons and some awooos but the Warmaster's legion never appears in the threads. Kinda sad

>>52551572
>oh gee this one guy stole some warp power to give humanity a chance at ruling the galaxy unopposed
>better bring on 10 millennia of suffering galaxy wide

>>52551601
Isstvan 3 survivors is a bit of a stretch for me so I chose to stick with DA.

>>52551601
Tricky paint scheme, boring characters, bland (if good) rules. Not much makes them really worth playing.

>>52551604
Give some phosphex to this guy

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>>52551604
>stole some warp power

>>52551615
If only Abaddon had EW and/or unique weapon...

>>52551589
Same. Luna wolves. Their iconography, color scheme, and legion culture before becoming the sons of Horus is way more appealing and aesthetic.

Their legion rules are good too even though they're basically the sam as SoH

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>>52551604
>stole some warp power

>>52551650
Yeah, EW and a paragon blade instead of his sword/gun would be good. Makes him combat survivable and also is a nice reference to his current sword/fist combination in 40k.

>>52551427

I don't play it, I have only read Galaxy in Flames (back in 2007 I wanna say, whenever it came out), but man. HH is so interesting.

What is it about it that I like so much?

Is it because legions of space marines are fighting each other? And like, the marines of the HH are more human than their 40k descendants?

Is it because a lot of the equipment looks like it's out of the 1e era?

I dunno. I just really like HH. Should I go back and snag the first two books?

>>52551710

Also what books would hhg rec?

>>52551710
HH is way more accesible now, if you like it you should give it a try

So this is what I made out of a crappy phone and way too many hours on a bus

HQ
Valdor
275 pts

Elite
Hetaeron Guard Squad
Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
217 pts

Achillus Dreadnought
Dreadspear
240 pts

Achillus Dreadnought
Dreadspear
240 pts

Troops
Sentinal Guard Squad
Vexilla, Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
182 pts

Sentinal Guard Squad
Vexilla, Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
182 pts

Sentinal Guard Squad
Vexilla, Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
182 pts

Custodian Guard Squad
Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
172 pts

Custodian Guard Squad
Arae-shrikes, Melta Bombs
172 pts

Heavy Support
Galatus Dreadnought
250 pts

Sagittatum Squad
Arae-shrikes
187 pts

Sagittatum Squad
Arae-shrikes
187 pts

Total: 2,501 pts (sue me)

Sentinals deep strike onto objectives with Sagittarum for fire support, custard creams deep strike when needed for a counter charge, the dreads smash into the tough shit and the companions escort valdor into challenges, plus they always a marmalade melta bomb in their helmets in case of an emergency

Im actually really happy with the aesthetic of this list, nice and symmetrical with all the models I like. I know it isn't optimal, but the vehicles are fucking ugly, expensive and pure cheese from what I've read, so their absence is fine by me

>>52551652
Is there any other reference about LW culture beside Black Book 1? Book 1 was too brief.

>>52551710
I think the game is more enjoyable than 30k by quite some margin. It's just more expensive to get into because often times you need to buy a GW kit plus a FW upgrade kit for your models.

>>52551652
>>52551589
How do you fluff your forces, if you do?

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>>52551753
Just this page from book VII.

>>52551749
I like Saggitarum even though most think they're over costed because it's hard for them "to earn their points back".

After trying them over and over I think I've got them figured out. They have to be used in conjunction with your other dudes. I found they're great for allowing my other units to charge multiple times a game by preventing them from getting bogged down against large squads or against things like dreadnoughts. They're brilliant at keeping blobs and tough units to the right size to allow your melee units to then cut through them in 2 assault phases so you can move on and charge again with little recourse.

They're also great at popping vehicles when up close.

They really are support. I just wish they had relentless so they could fire on the move and their bolt weapons had heliothermic detonation. It would make them nasty against mechanicum thallax, scyllax, ursarax, and vorax.

>>52551780
Haven't decided if I should go with dead Orks base or dead Marines base.

>>52551753
A lot of it is indirect. So for instance you'll see a description of another legion say, "in contrast to the Luna Wolves _____ was done this way". The rest is in the novels.

Basically you get the feeling that they behave like wolves but not in a space wolf "I'm literally a wolf" kind of way. They behave like wolves in the way modern day elite soldiers behave like wolves. Where rank and ritual mean less than reputation, competence, and action. A hyper aggressive hyper competitive world that's not necessarily adversarial with itself. Where those who can't carry the weight are relegated because there's always someone willing to step up, but not in an egotistical way like the emperors children.

Magnus implies Jaghatai has a Psyker gift... is he referring to Jaghatai's swordsmanship? Speed?

>>52552123
I think it is implied that many of the Primarchs have at least some latent psychic potential. Lorgar, Curze, Sanguinius and Mortarion certainly do.

>>52552137
https://pastebin.com/mA7g2mKa

>>52552123
All primarch making all humans kneel automatically out of pure awe is a psychic ability.

>>52551780
I like portraying them as a Terran Luna Wolves remnant that was sent away before even the events of istvaan iii were planned.

>>52552215
To add a little more, I fluff them as having been very resistant to the warrior lodges and were therefore relegated to long range patrol in quiet sectors. As Terrans they're loyal to the emperor first and some even remember conquering the sol system. Even though accepted and well integrated with their Cythonian brothers, they didn't see eye to eye on everything and saw the warrior lodges as an attempt to secretly stratify a legion outside of outright merit and competence.

>>52552153
Mortarion? He's just a sneaky git, unlike Corax who literally is casting invisibility all day long. Regarding the sorcery, anyone can use sorcery as long as you use the correct motions and remember it's "leviosa", not "leviossaaa".

>>52552154
>>52552137
Hey, it's nice.

>>52552154
>>52552137
Oh man I forgot to tell you.
I read it yesterday and looks pretty cool to me. I see word bearers more like Babylonians but nomadic tribes where the other side of the coin in ancient Mesopotamia so it makes sense that Colchis had lots of them. I really like how you write but I am not english so my knowledge of the language is questionable

>>52552185
no, it's not, it's psychological issue relating to humans being unable to comprehend and also fearing the superhuman traits and physiology of the space marines/primarchs embodied in an otherwise human form

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>>52552448
>>52552464

Thwank you

>>52551780
I'm still working on my forces fluff, which I'll run by you soon with questions, but mine personally is gonna use the ending of "A Wolf of Ash and Fire" as the starting point

>>52552052
This
They have a lot of indirect references to where they stood in capabilities, but the other thing though is that they have a really loose command structure in that the person in charge tends to be the best suited for the job and not the highest ranking officer

What's a better choice on heavy Support squads; autocannons or missile launchers?

Statistically, Autocannons are the superior choice on both weaker targets and weaker vehicles- anything short of MEQ and AV12 is taking more damage from autos, however Marines and AV13+ will require missile to do good damage.

I really wanna buy some but not too sure of which, anyone have experience?

>>52552821
Well since you have said yourself that missile launchers are better against marines and heavy armour you should probably take them in AV13 Wargame: The MEQ-ening

>>52552821
Depends on your meta. If you need to kill lots of Rhinos? AC. 3+ MCs? ML.

Note that there are better marine woodchippers out there than missile launchers.

>>52552852
I kek'd.

>>52552821
>play Reaping DG
>have both

>>52552911
have 2 of both or hell have 4 of both and swap them out as needs be

>>52552852
>>52552876
Fair points. What's fun and tough though is my meta features a pretty big variety of armies and playstyles, so tailoring is pretty ineffective- in campaigns, though, I suppose I can build as I need.

>>52552911
>implying that's not what I'm already doing

I'm taking two seven-man squads in Rhinos to hold backfield objectives and lay down fire. Do you play DG? Is four HS squads actually viable?

>>52551604
>stole some warp power
The inquisition would like a word with you

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>>52553199

My mom's dick would like a word with you.

>>52551641
>>52551674
What does the current lore say then?

Read through black book V, pretty ticked. Ultras get like 5 pages of history and the Word Bearers get pretty much 1...just about Calth. Where did it all go? Is there another book??

>>52553560

Oh, that is the current lore. It's just that since the 3rd edition seriousening of the lore and subsequent decades of constant clusterfuck retcons, everyone has to basically live on their own little headcanon island to make any sense of the ungodly mess that is the setting.

>>52553099
>Do you play DG?

Yes. 2 tactical blobs, 2 heavy support with missiles and autocannons, and 2 support squads with chemical flamers and plasma guns.

>>52553644
My personal headcanon is that the giant portal on Molech is actually one of the paintings from Super Mario 64 and the Emperor had to go hoofing through the place collecting the stars. He then used a bunch to power himself up and used the rest to make his sons.

>>52553634
Book 2, starting at page 136.
It ends on page 155.
It's all Word Bearers.

Book 5 is just the stuff on Calth as you said.

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>>52553099
>two seven-man squads

>>52553532
I don't talk to dicks that talk back. Less so if they're S10 AP1

>>52553913
>implying She Who Thirsts doesn't have the D

>>52553673
>2 Support squads
Not worth it imo, but that's probably because every time I take flamers or plasma my guys just kill themselves.

I'm building a list for 2500-3k, might I ask if you have a 'standard' list for that size?

>>52553940
I was going to add Armourbane, Fleshbane, Soulblaze and a chance of D, but those are the Emperor's Blade stats.
Turns out Guilliman works the Emperor's Dick in battle.
Well done, Anon. Now the secret is out.

>>52553983
>Guilliman works the Emperor's Dick
I swear I wrote "wields", kek

>>52553975
>kill themselves

Flamer squad suffers 0.5 unsaved wounds per turn. Plasma squad with a combi-plasma apothecary suffers 0.74 unsaved wounds. You must have been rolling badly.

Flamer squad with rad grenades and CCWs can also charge in and finish the job after blasting something with their flamers. They might not be the best against marines, but any levy squad should be hurting from some S4 Shred templates followed by 20+ S4 attacks vs. their T2 (so no FNP for them due to ID).

Why is there a vocal minority that seem to rally against the Psychic phase in 40k/30k, when it is such a fundamental and integral part of the lore, and therefore should be represented on the tabletop as such.

>>52554070
Oooooh, I hadn't thought of that. Sounds like really good fun.

By the way, what's the deal with Daemon Allies? Can only WB take them or can I grab some Plaguebearers as friendos?

So Jaghatai already knew about the warp before/during the crusade, and he argued with the emperor about keeping the imperium in the dark.
Did all Primarchs know the 'truth' ?

>>52554169
Because people remember when psychic powers didn't help push the game toward being a card game-style combo fest, where victory is mainly achieved by your ability to think about the game harder than the developers did.

In fairness though, the problem is less the psychic phase and far more the bullshit that is contained in the rulebook lores.

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Hey there, it's Auxilia anon again.

What do you think of my mechanized assault list ?(I'm currently hesitating between this and a siege oriented force)

Is there something to improve ? (I'm sure there is)

>>52554175
WB only for now (and traitor Militia with the right HQ).

Angelus promises daemons and diabolism, so it's possible non-WB will get daemons in some fashion. I got a DP and a unit of plaguebearers waiting, and planning on getting some nurglings as well.

>>52553686
>"So long gay Chaos!"

>>52554233
I think most of them knew of the warp, but I don't think most understood that there were malevolent intelligences akin to deities that were made up of and had control over the warp.

Lorgar made his pilgrimage to the eye of terror to confirm this.

I think the Khan had the most rational and mature perspective on the matter.

>>52554293
Yeah, I've been chillin with my 40k GUO and some plague drones, I can't tell for certain but beasts of Nurgle also seem like fun.

Oh well, Angelus save us and all that

>>52554501
For now, there's always the option to ally with WB, get Layak as their HQ and make a small Troop unit with Dark Brethren as plague marines. Then use Layak to summon daemons.

Out of curiosity, what would be good "standard" anti-vehicle work?

I'm the DGanon asking about various gear, as of right now my main heavy Support come from 3 Quad Launchers w/ shatter shells, a kheres-mortis, some Land Raiders packing at least 1 chainfist, and the aforementioned HS squads.

It feels pretty solid to me, and short of a flare-shielded Spartan/Typhon I think I'm a-okay. What flaws could I run into?

>>52554624
Nah, thanks for the idea but I don't like summoning, it always feels douchey. And personally I don't like the current plague marine models, though with the new release things may change

>>52554169
Some because it is part of the reason the current psychic system sucks dick. And then you have Taufags who can't stand the fact that some armies have something they'll never get, and therefor are even willing to try and get everything psyker related banned as a houserule (I've seen this happen)

>>52554849
My main 40k army is GK (endless suffering) but I'll admit the psychic phase feels like bloat.

I'd not mind if more armies had pre-given powers (helluvalot quicker) and/or they balanced out powers so there's not blatantly usless and OP ones.

Plus killing the psychic phase (or at least it's style) would be nice, something akin to cyberthurgy would speed things up quite a bit.

Honestly the biggest current problem with it is time, so much bloat in the process it just gets tedious. Armageddon looks promising, though

>>52554169
How is the psychic phase part of the lore? We've been perfectly capable of doing psychic powers before it.

>>52551749
>Hetaerons
>no paragon blades
For what purpose?

>>52554931
The issue with the psychic phase, and psykers in general currenly, is that unless both players have a decent amount of psykers one player can only just sit back and twiddle his thumbs whilst his opponent is rolling for generating psychic powers for psyker number 7 or calculating how many warpdice he should use for each power to guarantee getting the most important powers off and maybe have some extra dice left.
And don't get me started on random psychic powers ... good luck keeping track of who has which psychic power each game. I've played 40k Thousand Sons for the better part of 6th edition and once in a while in 7th, and neither me or any opponent ever didn't need the piece of reference paper I wrote for every single game.

>>52551726
Read the first two
Fulgrim
Legion/Praetorian o Dorn
A Thousand Sons/Prospero Burns
The First Heretic/Betrayer/Know no Fear
Scars/The Path of Heaven
Vengeful Spirit
Master of Mankind

>>52555177
This is true of your opponent's entire turn, though. Even without a dedicated phase, all those powers are still going to be happening, except minus the figuring out how many dice to use for each. And without that, there'll probably be more powers cast since there's no reason for each psyker not to cast every single power he has rather than using all your dice on only 2 or 3 powers.

>>52552123
It's subtle... Jaghatai could sort of sense that the Warp was there, and had daemons in it. Not much more than that. Kind of like Sanguinius, who had dreams affected by the Warp.

>>52555262
Well I wouldn't mind buff and debuff powers to be consiledated alongside reserves and all 'start of movementphase' actions into some sort of command phase, and witchfires to become part of the shooting phase again.

>>52554234
I played in 2nd ed., when the psychic phase was even more of a card game-style combo fest than it is now. Some of those were crazy. In 3rd ed. it was toned down heavily and I kind of liked it that way.

An entire phase of the game that one player doesn't really participate in is dull. More importantly, there's too much randomness right now - some powers do too much, others are fine. It would be totally tolerable with some tweaks.

>>52554233
Most did not know or believe that the Warp was full of daemons. The Khan did, and likely Mortarion. Magnus did too, but thought he could control them. It sounds like Sanguinius didn't, surprisingly enough - if he didn't, few others would have.

>>52554743
It's a lot less douchy than taking Vulturax! Daemons are not currently on anyone's list of cheese complaints.

>>52555107
couldnt afford it without dumping stuff I need

>>52554293
I've got a Daemons Battleforce, a trio of Flamers and a Bloodthirster just waiting to become a part of my backlog.

>>52555549
Sure, but I'm not taking a Vulturax either.

Plus all the summoning is psyker shit, which last time I checked mort wouldn't like

So Blood Angels will have Lamentii and Sanguinary Guard.

That's a lot of guarding for being the Shock and Awe legion.

>>52555974
Guard troops got their name because, as the elite fighting units, they were used to guard the headquarters or most important locations and people when not on combat duty.
This only increased the prestige of already superior units, and thus competition to get into them, ensuring Guards units always had a high caliber of recruits.

>>52554238
Nobody ?

>>52555974
>So Blood Angels will have Lamentii and Sanguinary Guard.
They will have Sanguinary Double Wounding guard. Fuck lamentii.
Sanguinius, stoy crying :'(

>>52556100
I'm more interested in that Siege list you hinted

>>52556158
Everytime he cries the legion gets more overpowered.

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>>52556173
I posted it some threads ago. It's not that great.

But there it is.

>>52555974
At the last weekender Bligh implied that BA would get a tactical support squad equivalent with some fancy gear

>>52556951
The blood angels do have a strange thing for melta/flamer weaponry. Wonder if it'll be something to do with that, if it's possible without stepping on the pyroclasts toes too much.

>>52556997
Apparently it's inferno pistols/hand flamers and power weapons and some upgrade options

>>52551763

Yeah. I WAS going to buy at least one 20-man squad of mkIII marines off of GW and paint em up as Blackshields. I am really into Blackshield fluff.

>>52551728
Hell yeah I would. I at least want some to paint up. I dunno if I can find anyone who'd be into playing it in CT though lol.

>>52555248
Hell yeah. I did read a chunk of Fulgrim back in the day but never finished it. Not sure where it went to.

Also went to Barnes and Noble and they didn't have the first two, but they had a ton of others. Will pick out a couple next time I go.

Are there any Blackshields-based books out yet?

>>52553644
>Oh, that is the current lore.
By current lore, he also means, "some shit an untrustworthy daemon said".

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>A vital part of your medical kit – Ecclesiarchy Approved Literature. Due to our original shipment of texts being lost in Warp transit, you have been issued with an older edition book on correct practices for Imperial faith written by <<ALL RECORDS DELETED>>.

Regimental Standard is so based.

>>52555299
it's stated in Scars that the white scars, particularly the storm seers and Jaghatai knew about chaos basically, and he argued with the Emperor about lying to the imperium and pretending gods and magic didn't exist

>>52557038
Hopefully they are decent, not really much point in taking inferno pistols or hand flamers when meltaguns and actual flamers already exist.

probably going to be bullshit 5 point power weapons

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who /blackshields with autoguns and lascarbines/ here

Also when Jaghatai created the Librarius with Sanguinius, he wanted to limit exploration of the warp because he knew of the dangers. If you leave The path of heaven your soul will be eaten! Magnus didn't want the librarius becasue he didn't want to limit anyones exploration of search of knowledge

>>52557322
nono, power weapons will be the default equipment

>>52557322
extra +1 attack from them being pistols ?

>>52555974
>Lamentii
Sadmarines?

Sanguinary Guard probably go the same way as Corax's dudes (seeing as Papa Sang is far too noble to go all Angron and tell them to fuck off) - they'll be good fighters, but the idea of them as actual bodyguards would be laughable.

Though if they keep the jump packs their descendants get, the Descent of Angels type thing where a load of jump pack guys and Sang smash into the enemy like a meteor is going to fucking hurt

>>52557454
None of the BA special units will have jump packs though

>>52557469
What? Why?

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how bad of a person am I, on a scale of beer snob to START THE HOLOCAUST, THE REICH WILL RISE

>>52553744

Thanks anon. Picked up book V so I could have the rules too so i guess it wasnt a complete disappointment.

>>52557488
internal balance

I'm fairly new to WH40K and I find myself hating traitors to an unhealthy degree.
I keep remembering that traitors are a thing and it ruins my good vibes throughout the day.

how do I stop hating traitors so goddamn much?

>>52557537
It would be kind of silly for one of the premier deep strike legions not to have jump packs. Am I being baited?

>>52557331
I do, 3rd party are you using for them?

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>>52557590
Embrace the word of Lorgar anon

>>52557613
anvil

>>52557590
Play as much as you can and smite traitors all day.

>>52557603
well, if you count veterans as special units, then for sure..

>>52557590
Make a combined force of White Scars, Imperial Fists and Blood Angels. These three legions blew out traitors the most.

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>>52557590
Kill them.

And then stomp on their stupid, traitorous heads while telling them about all of the cool shit they're going to forget how to make for the next ten thousand years.

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>>52557687
?

Blood Angels weren't even on Terra

>>52557469
Probably. I don't get anon's logic when dark furies are a thing.

>>52557590
You could at least respect the fact that most of them have been willing to fight for their (although misguided) ideals for over ten thousand years.

>>52557698
Lol, where is this from?

>>52557727
Realm of Chaos, the only source of canon fluff.

>>52557734
That Whitescar chapter did a good job alright.

>>52557727
My bet would be something from Rogue Trader. Where the Ultramarines started out as traitors. I like to imagine that still happend, and Roboutte is actually leading the legion of one of the removed primarchs without knowing

>>52554657
Oh its you, I posted about your list here >>52551241

Point for point LDA Vindicators are the best anti tank in the game. I'm an idiot and take lascannon HSS but for only 30 points more than the lascannon upgrade you can straight up get a Vindicator. Missile launchers would probably be the best for foot sloggers.

>short of a flare-shielded Spartan/Typhon I think I'm a-okay

It's 30K. You'll see flare shielded Spartans everywhere.

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Are Grave Wardens any good?

>>52558097
yes they are
awesome at killing infantry that isn't terminators and even then can force a whole lotta saves, and are hellish to try and charge because of death cloud overwatch+auto-disordered charges against them

IMPORTANT POLL
Drop your shit and vote:
Clear plastic bases, do you 'base' them? E.g. Jetbikes, Speeders etc

>>52558187
not usually, no

>>52558187
Nah.

>>52558187
It usually looks better when things like speeders and jetbikes float above a base done just like the rest of the army.

Dammit I still haven't done my javelin's bases

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>>52558147
Cool, I'm adding a unit to my DG then.

>>52556930
I was thinking of a similar list but I wasn't sure how many AA Autocannons were too many.

>>52558263
what if the entire army are bikes/speeders?

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>>52557454
>Sadmarines?
Sort of. They don't really had a reason to be sad until the end of the Siege of Terra, though.

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>>52557493
Start the beer, the snob will rise.

>>52551427
I dont know man. Space marines are too perfect to care for. I like the books about the IG like titanicus or baneblade.
Also i read the Night lords books because I like that they dont give a fuck

>>52551604
this fella got a point. stop whining like big cry babbies traitors

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FACT:
Blood Angels get dakka (inferno pistols, hand flamers, assault cannons), choppas (sword of double wounding and literal lightsaber), go fasta (RoW of +1I, 40k engines) and get both loyalist berzerkers along with blood and dreadnought witches (in 40k) ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE RED, and that's the sole reason why
>Inb4 TS are red too
They not only got lots of psykers, including dreadwizards and Mutable Witching, but also Bolters of shred and 2W termies.

Want to play 1KSons, tell me what units to avoid, or to limit so i'm not being a douche

>>52558583
That picture is perfect.

>>52558598
Just don't take Big Red.

Will Vets become a god tier if Machine Killer adds haywire to their bolter?

>>52559122
If Vets get to choose between Haywire and Sniper as a special rule people will forget that Rites other than PotL and co even exist.

>>52559122
Yes? Massed rapid fire Haywire is incredibly nasty and will wreck any mech list in a hurry.

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And another five dudes finished. What progress has your legion made today folks?

>>52559122
>Implying veterans aren't already god tier

>>52559239
>S4 T4 3+ dudes with bolter stat guns with special rules against infantry and vehicles

Hello 30k Necrons.

>>52559319
My Legion has made none, since I play Mechanicum. They have also made none, since I'm a lazy sod who is also a tad busy.

My 40k Skitarii Kill Team have most of their parts cleaned and laid out in Model/Weapon subdivisions ready to be magnetized, and now I have to somehow keep them in that very fiddly order while moving fucking house. Ah well, I guess I can get some small bags and have like a billion of them, since every dude has anywhere between two and four wargear options.

>>52555614
Wouldn't bother with them then if I were you, just take another Guardian Spear squad, scoring and cheaper

>>52559364
>to wound roll of 6 wounds automatically
>to wound roll of 4+ wounds automatically, with a 6 being AP2

>penetration roll of 6 automatically glances
>penetration roll of 2+ automatically glances, with 6 penetrating instead

Apart from losing a little bit of versatility as you have to set them up for one role or the other, those veterans would be considerably more bullshit than necrons in damage output.

More next edition hints from FailBook :
>Codexes replaced with warscrolls (to be expected)
>Vehicle armour gone, instead they will get multiple wounds with even basic vehicles going into double digits (but heavier weapons will do multiple wounds)
>Armoursave modifiers confirmed again
>Charging from non-assault vehicles is back (Please give me back Rhino rush !)
>Rules not simplified to the extend AoS went (if true thank the Emperor for that)

And last
>Blast and template markers are gone, replaced with random number of wounds just like overwatch with flamers works
Which is amazing, no more arguments about nudging templates the wrong way, and no more multiple barrage cancer taking half an hour to resolve !
People on some forums however instantly started complaining about the game getting even more random dicerolls. Like scattering and all that wasn't already that. Some people ...

>>52559319
What's going on with the center guy's left hand?

>>52559319
Hey wolfy, does Grey Slayers being your only compulsory stop you from taking rites of war like the predator one? The grey slayers thing says that all other troop choices gain compulsory and it says this means that some rites of war will be unavailable to wolves as a result. Do rites like pride or the predator one override this and allow you to take non Grey Slayer compulsory troops or does it prohibit you from taking these rites at all?

>>52559444
Suitable for the likes of the more elite units that remained operational during the great sleep.

>>52559515
>Charging from non-assault vehicles is back

Wonder if it's going to be a disorderly assault or something.

Anyone got Garro (the book 42 anthology) or the Myriad short story? (From Summer of Reading 2016)

Also, can provide a few other HH short stories/novellas that aren't in the rho-mu library - not sure what the best way to share them is, so if someone wants them (or someone can add them to the rho-mu library), any advice on that is appreciated.

>>52559515
Is that from the GW facebook?

>>52559586
Even if it would be a disordered charge from a stationary vehicle I would be happy.

>>52559515
>warlord titan levels a plasma annihilator at the enemy army
>one unit takes D6 hits

Yay!

>>52559715
Oh, forgot to add, also after the Magnus the Red primarchs novel.

>>52559739
Not sure, there tons of 40k related fb pages reposting it without properly sourcing it so hard to say where it originally came from.

>>52559779
Assuming it works likes you say yes, that does sound stupid and unimaginative. But it could also hit target unit and every other unit within 24 inches of said target unit for 4D6 hits with Str D -12 armoursave modifier and D6+6 wounds. We just don't know yet.

>>52559433
>recommending Guardians
>ever

>>52558097
Good to figuring out what to field
>Step 1: Does it look good. Yes -> Include.
>Step 2: Figure out if it sucks. Yes -> Buy 3 quad rapiers with shatter shells/phosphex

>>52559879
>of said target unit

Better not spread your dudes out very wide, then.

>>52559881
I'm using them as bolter custodes with the FW conversion kit and a big power bayonet.

>>52559515
All of that sounds good but as a kneejerk reaction Im kind of fearing a come back of 5th ed's immortal transports, because that shit sucked.

Im also hoping for 2nd ed movement rules are thrown in, those are amazingly fun, simple and fast.

>>52559122
Why would it add haywire?

>>52559881
Well if he's gonna take shitty guard spear heterons might as well take shitty guardian spear troops

>>52559920
If that would mean the end of stupid tactics like deploying all your units in lines across the entire table so they all gain the benefit of some "all units with at least one model within X inches gains ..." then all the better.

>>52559962
5e transports were durable because glances had no chance of destroying them and there were no HP. Then transports became somewhat of a paper bag when a few glancing hits was enough to wreck anything.

If you give them wounds and an armour save, then they're no more durable than anything else.

>>52559515
>Vehicle armor gone

So a toughness value?

I personally love the idea of templates and pie plates going. The only thing I'll miss about it is hitting multiple units. But just having 3+d6 hits or d6 hits or d3 hits or 12+.. hits... you get the idea, is so much faster than arguing over just how scattered a template is and exactly what direction.

>>52559962
Well the community site already confirmed the movement stat coming back.
And it sounds more like if you shoot a rhino with a lascannon it actually has more chance to instantly die than a land raider, rather than exactly the same (assuming a penetrating hit ofcourse)

>>52559995
Then we'll just have stupid tactics of "position units into tight formations and in odd shapes to make sure they're at least X inches away from other units so that AoE weapons won't damage anyone else."

Would hope that models in B2B contact would suffer extra from blasts. There's a reason you don't want a bunch of soldiers huddled together.

>>52559515
Do vehicles have only one toughness value or multiple?

>>52560081
Yeah units mostly in B2B should at least get double the amount of hits.

>>52559515
templates being gone would sadden me immensely
they were far less necessary for the fantasy switch-over but I would fucking hate that in 40/30k

>>52560106
Or maybe models in B2B count their hits as having Shred or something.

>>52560047
I guess they could simplify it with a toughness value. So if you needed a 4 or better to wound a vehicle then if you rolled a 4 it counts as a glance and only removes one wound but if you roll a 5 or 6, and the weapon causes say d3 wounds then you can roll for the extra wounds.

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So my friends seduced me over to the pondscum that is 40k for a while and I sold my Night Lords, how does this look for a WEs list?

>>52557038
> a moderate points decrease for equipment on a unit that still dies like a bitch to normal anti marine firepower
... why even bother? Unless the models are fucking beautiful. BA want choppy jump packs, give us choppy jump packs. Oh wait, Ultras already stole that idea...

>>52559939
I like the way you think Anon, I may have to steal that idea now

>>52557734
> muh old fluff only fluff hurr hurr stupid new fags
Know how I can tell you are a complete failure? Still clinging this desperately to the past.

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>>52560226
Stop right there criminal scum.

>>52560201
Would remove the tarantulas and land speeders in that order and focus on more tacs and apothecaries

>>52559939
>>52559881
Between Guardians and Sagittarum I'm actually unsure which is worse. A charge-dependent squad with no means of getting that charge or a shooty squad that has two contradictory guns.
Incidentally, I just basecoated a Guardian squad and two Sagittarum squads are in the mail...
Send help!

>>52560311
Wouldn't I be kinda fucked if any kind of flyer shows up without the tarantulas?

>>52560324
Well, I'm not gonna field just sword and board squads as my Troops, so if I'm gonna have spear dudes, at least make them cool dudes. I'll have enough of spears in the Hetero squad.

>>52560328
Are you playing in a tourny? Cos if not you can just ask your opponent to please no bully and make it a ground battle. If this is all you're gonna have for a bit its understandable. At least ix the land speeders, too much armoured ceramite running around.

>>52560328
>>52560378
Also take the multi meltas off the spartanx

>>52560388
What would you suggest instead?
>>52560378
I'm not, I just don't like to be that guy who tells you not to take that storm eagle you spent 12 years painting because my list can't handle it.

>>52560420
Don't bother with a pintle weapon for the Spartan. Because the Spartan isn't fast and usually moves at least 6" you can only fire 2 weapons and it comes with two quad lascannons which perfectly appropriate for pounding your enemy.

>>52560420
Unless you find someone who's spamming flyers your army won't be fucked, and if someone is spamming flyers, especially hardy legion flyers like fire raptors or storm eagles, your two tarantulas won't cut it.

>>52557382
Pretty much, the Khan understood the dangers of the warp on some instinctive level. That's why Horus ensured that he was far away when it was time for the council of Nikea. All Horus had to do was let Magnus talk himself into a corner. Librariums would be disbanded and the loyalists would lack a defense against the warp.

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>>52560282
I ain't done nuffin wrong
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Is there any reason to just run vanilla Tagmata Mechanicum, it seems like if I'm running robots to go cybernetica and if not go reductor

>>52560359
>I'm not going to use just Sentinels as Troops, so I'll use Elites with spears
What are you trying to say here?

>>52560528
Righteo, well I'll drop the land speeders and the multi-meltas but I'll keep the tarantulas because I'm poor as fuck and they're an excellent points:$ ratio plus I don't want to get overwhelmed by a giant pile of unpainted marines when I first start, I'll drop them down the track though..

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>>52560713
Excellent idea

>>52560667
Hetero squad with paragon spears. There's my spear Custodes.
Sentinel squad with sword and board. There's my sword and board Custodes.
Custodian squad with bolters and bayonets. There's my bolter Custodes.

Now I have one of each of the iconic unit of Custodes.

>>52560626
If you want to run both robutts and tanks, don't own 9 spare medusas, or want to use the other arch magos options.

Taghmata is totally playable.

Also, obligatory fluff army reason, like a myrmidon cult would at least look fantastic.

>>52560873
Ah, now I get you.
Yeah, that's a sensible setup.

What is this "armour autism" I keep hearing about? Are there any rules besides not using mk.7/8 because that seems pretty straightforward.

>>52561149
what have you done

>>52561149
I set my WEs at the siege of Terra so I could use the odd mk VII bit and daemon Angron if and when they release him without him standing in an army in the wrong colours.

>>52561225
>Traitors in mk7

What the fuck do you think they did. "Oh this chestplate looks better than mine better spray paint it white and swap"

The only Legions that could pull off mk7 are WS, BA and IF and that's only a few suits, fuck you

>>52561288
Traitors were confirmed to have raided Mars for gear before Terra, it's old Chaos fluff to handwave the fact that the CSM models are all in mk VII.

Plus you know, if your chestplate gets a big fuck off hole in it from fighting days on end are you gonna go back to home base, find a techmarine and wait 2-6 months for it to get repaired or just loot the dead?

Quick change of subject! Lets make a RoW for your favorite legions to represent something from The Scouring

Imperial Fists Iron Cage Batallion
>Cannot score
>All units can buy Drop Pods
>After an IF unit is destroyed place a marker in their place, all IF units within 3'' of a marker gain 4+ cover and FNP
>Righteous Vengeance: whenever an IF unit loses a member from shooting instead of rolling for morale roll a leadership check, if failed the unit is pinned, if passed the unit may choose to make a run move or make a shooting attack at the closest enemy.
>Rogal Dorn must be the warlord.

Iron Warriors Kill-Zone formation
>Cannot score
>All area terrain not placed in the Iron Warrior's deployment zone is mined
>Landmines: If a unit is occupying an area terrain then roll a dice at the beginning of the turn, on a 3+ the unit suffers D6 S6 AP4 wounds.
>Concealed Artillery: Legion Artillery squadrons lose the 0-1 and 3 squadrons must be taken, all artillery gains +1 Cover save
>Tactical squads must buy a Aegis Defence line or Imperial Bunker instead of a dedicated transport.

>>52561523
Blood Angels Retribution Host
>Veterans of Terra: all models with legiones astartes gain WS+1
>Rage Unchained: Rage
>Force of Sons Robbed: Cannot be pinned, reroll failed charges
>Newfound Fury: Must move and run towards things in LoS they can hurt
>To Grips with the Foe: All models with must either be in a vehicle or be able to deep strike.

>>52561634
>Newfound Fury: Must move and run towards things in LoS they can hurt
That kind of defeats the purpose of having that sort of rule doesn't it?

>>52561656
Typical marines can hurt anything up to T7 or AV12, it's a big deal. A flashback to kiting 4th edition death company.

>>52561523

Anons pay attention and homebrew.

>>52561686
The point of that rule was to make you chase ANYTHING even if it wasn't tactically sound.

>>52561747
I remember landspeeders leading death company on a merry chase in some abandoned corner of the board.

>>52561747

But brother why even turn up to the game then?

>>52561747
But it's the entire army, not just one squad of death company.

>>52561686
T9, Krak grenade. And since my sergeant invariably has a melta bomb, the world eaters playbook might as well be "run towards the nearest enemy and kill the hell out of it"

>>52561785
>wants +1ws, rage, re-rolls to charges
>doesn't want a crippling flaw
Pick one.

>>52561881

I'll pick "Later Forge World Power Creep" for 500, Alex.

>>52561881

I'm not a IVth legion haemophiliac. I don't see how +1WS is applicable to Blood Angels in the first place. I don't see how it would be applicable to anyone, short of the Ultramarines discovering a new form of fighting that will end a fight in one punch.

If Blood Angels get rage (re-roll to charges is too much, you stumble even more when you're angry), they should pay for it with the old model-removed per LD point failed during any time they fail a morale check, representing them succumbing to the black rage and getting picked off by the enemy army as they break ranks.

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HELP

Can someone give me an untaken formation name that the Night Lords would have that a Captain would control? Like, 14th Company, or whatever Night Lords use as their structure - I don't know much about the organization of the VIII

>>52562012
14th "We're batman" company.

>>52558598
Don't take more than one squad of Sekhmets. If you really don't want to trigger anyone, pretty much your TSs will be restricted as fuck.

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>>52559310
>Massed rapid fire Haywire is incredibly nasty and will wreck any mech list in a hurry.
Deepstriking massed haywire :^)

>>52562012
With Night Lords they just use companies, but each company is going to have a different character based on what the particular fancy of its commander is. My NLs company is the 27th company commanded by Lord Xethas, who treats battle like an 19th century nobleman treats a fox hunt.

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>>52551482
yes

>>52562012

14th Company, "The Cracking Chiropractors"

>>52562155
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my best to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>52562127
This is a good meme
>>52562171
>Reacting
I'm anon-er than you are.

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>>52559515
Does this mean Saboteurs became obsolete, as well as half of Dynat's rules?Is the Alpha Legion the new IW shafting?

Do we know what will happen to 30k with the 8th edition? It feels like updating would be self harming, we are very close to calling it "finished", the update would ruin the whole work. Maybe 30k will stay with old rules? Probably not

>>52562287

Conventional wisdom says they're going to update to the new system, and that also ties into why Cyraxus is so delayed.

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>>52562287
>It feels like updating would be self harming, we are very close to calling it "finished"
>Seven books out of 20
>"finished"

Rumor has it we're staying on the current edition but it'd be fairly simple to just play 8th ed with the current 30k army list if thats what you wanted, so whatever happens wont matter much.

>>52562287

They said they were updating at the weekender

>>52562249
When did the bitterbois get shafted?

>>52562369
If i put it inside inverted commas there is a reason. I meant we are close to a state which could be considered a finished peoduct, eventhough it can be expanded and will be expanded, having all legions is a good milestone. Also do you have any idea hiw different the edition are? If they don't update home updating is gonna be a massive work.

Do people play HH on VASSAL?

What do you guys use to represent artificer armor?

>0.1% chance that image isn't awesome
HERESY!

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I've been trying to make a half-decent World Eaters wallpaper, and made this PNG in the process.

Hope someone else can get some use out of it.

Is there any way to magnetize the the combi-plasma/flamer/melta/bolter from B@C without cutting off the barrel. Pic related. I'm afraid the side panel is too thin for even a 1mm magnet

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>>52563867

Old school upgrade kits. The winged pack is for 40k purposes, but everything else is kosher.

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>>52564343

Fuck me forgot pic

>BA won't have jump packs or one of their most iconic units that hsve appeared repeatedly throughout HH literature

Are you guys really this retarded??

>>52564391
>or one of their most iconic units that hsve appeared repeatedly throughout HH literature
Are you talking about the Sanguinary Guard? Nobody thinks they'll be excluded.

>>52564391
>>52564477

I expect Blood Angels to be much more conventional in tactics, with emphasis on Sanguinius bull charges supported by heavy support and special Librarius benefits. Sanguinary Guard will probably be the stand in bodyguard unit - basically terminators with jetpacks.

Whats hhg's feelings on the fw apothecary kit, just put it together today and it was one of the worst kits ive ever done. Not my first bout with resin either, i have a bunch of mechanicus stuff ive already built that i had no problems with. It wasnt like it was a fw mess up, just a blegh kit

>>52564717
I hope BA don't turn into Wolves, where their best way of doing damage is their primarch.

>>52562358
>also ties into why Cyraxus is so delayed.
REEEEEEEEElease it at once!

> Sniper Vets w/ AA, x8 combi-plasma, x2 plasmagun and drop pod = 315pts
> Sniper Vets w/ AA, x8 combi-plasma, x2 plasmagun and dreadclaw = 395pts

Will they worth the points?

>>52564717

Yeah, Guard are basically more fragile jump terminators.

Which lascannon set is meant to be used with the new style squad? The Ryza pattern?

>>52564835

Blood Angels didn't become known as stark raving mad berserkers until after Sanguinius was finally felled. They did provide him proper fire support, compared to SW who are best known for running around like headless chickens until they just drop dead. I think the core problem of SW has to do with how unconventional they are in Legion structure, anyway. Why deal with all their Legion bullshit just to field Leman Russ when you can field the more straightforward WE or EC?

>>52565091

More like they're LC terminators with S5 T5 12" move.

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>>52565410
It's not like I would call them berzerkers...but it's not like they don't reduce their enemies to red smears amidst furious rage, fire and blood memery.
The Emperor's Wrath isn't a nice thing to look at.
Along with the World Eaters, they're the Tarantino Legion. Only that they're prettier and were red first. That's literally it.

>>52565509

Its more like they subscribed to the Principa Bellicosa much like the Ultramarines and placed emphasis on decapitation strikes whenever ideal; and their gift for strategy has continued on into chapter traditions ever since. Even in Death Companies, the sons of Sanguinus operate according to the principles of grimdark warfare. In contrast, WE excel only as individuals. The greatest accomplishments attributed to WE during and after the Heresy were by WE leaders directing combined detachments such as Shattered Legions or independent commands like battleships.

>>52565573
Oh, I assumed you were saying "berzerkers" as in frightenly bloody warriors. Ultramarines aren't noted for that.
BA and WE were the bloodthirsty legions. The EC probably had a higher kill-death ratio, but somehow I don't picture an EC with a bloodied armour, even if he has a bigger pile of corpses behind him.
Supposedly the Iron Warriors were also fierce close range fighters, but I haven't seen that anywhere. I suppose taking fortresses does take you into close range action.

Decimation is a ridiculous and stupid concept. So fucking dumb.

Why do authors fuck up so consistently with Perturabo? I swear he's he most inconsistently written Primarch.

>>52566005

Because hes a competent, proud, and unashamed villain, but he wasn't competent enough to beat the clock before the Ultramarines could arrive to gangrape him in the ass. Even worse, he got his homeworld blown to smithereens and basically trapped himself in his own fortified execution grounds waiting to die.

Good enough to survive plot, not good enough to win wars. Unfortunately hes in the same lot as Magnus.

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>>52551427
I wanted to see if that percentage was true. Heretek at google.

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>>52566005
Take it up with the Romans. They did do it a few times, though its frequency is very much overblown by popular history

>>52565005
After seeing it in work I am no longer a huge fan of (combi-)plasma toting units in drop pods. Especially the times when the drop pod comes down, the unit disembarks ... and stands there hoping at least one METAL BAWKSES is peeled open so they have something valuable to shoot at. Because a unit with plasmaguns standing in the open generally doesn't survive that long ...

>>52566005
Eh its fine, he needed to make a point about how everyone is expendeble and create a culture around that. Dorn used the pain glove, Perty used decimation and impossible expectations.

>>52566005
cus his rival is Dorn and his friend is Fulgum. He has to look cocky and evil vs Dorn and loyaslists, but the reasonable pragmatist one when he is with Fulgrim and chaos.

when is all by himself, he is more well rounded as a troubled unfair brutal efficient killer.

>Terror Squad with heavy Chainblades assaulting out of a Dreadclaw
>S6 with potentially +1 to hit and wound that also has preferred enemy: infantry and precision strikes

Am I wrong, or does that actually seem pretty decent?

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>>52566005
Before Perturabo's arrival, the IVth's reputation had been waning, considered by many as unimaginative vanilla marines. And in man ways, that was true, since they were one of the few legions that still adhered to the Principia Belicosa to the letter, without making any sort of annotation to it whatsoever.
When Perturabo arrived, he noticed the legion needed many things. Stuff like technology and military hardware, as well as logistics would come in time, but there was one thing the legion was lacking in earnest.
One thing that needed to come not from external parties, but that only they could provide for themselves.
Ruthlessness.
The Decimation achieved that objective.
The legion that came out of it, their brothers' blood still staining their knuckles, was made of cold killers who viewed war as an uncaring equation where lives were yet another resource to be expended, the red price to be paid for victory.
And it came to be that the newly forged Iron Warriors were one of the few that could deliver victory on otherwise unwinnable scenarios. Brutal sieges, extermination campaigns, simultaneus sector-wide campaigns, all of those they'd crush under their brutal gauntlets, fully aware of the cost paid in their own blood, not once flinching to pay it.

That's about the legion. On the other hand, about authors screwing when writing Perturabo himself. Yeah, it just can't be done.
It's either him throwing literal TANTRUMS or fucking wankfests where he's only a guest.

But that is because BL knows no moderation, and even less on a setting originally made as a collection of Tropes^11.

>>52566037
He is one of the few daemon primarchs that I imagine actually doing something on his planet, if its just building and destroying forts over and over. He seems not at ease with himself, so he gets angery and occasionally smashes things when they don't go right, then regrets slipping into rage, a rage that his way cooler brother primarchs don't do.

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>>52566268
I like to think Daemonic Princehood is like retirement for him so he can finally do what he likes to do.
Being an architect.
He's probably in the warp, making labrynthine fortresses and such.
He's finally happy.

>>52566254
what were they called before pert? I cant seem to find the tolken FW illustration. I think they were always grey/black right?

I'm trying to come up with a theme/name for my Custodes army. Since I'm thinking of adding a single small squad of sisters (or two).

Were there any ancient military orders/units that were known for being accompanied/escorted/escorting priestesses (or witches, or whatever)? I'd ask /his/, but I've heard a lot of bad about that place and get enough /pol/-tier shit over on /k/.

>>52566301
/his/ is ok, they have a stupid flood from pol cus of spammers ruining the catalog all the time.

But you know, Praetorians are the most famous guards. you don't honestly see specific gaurds for priests in the ancient world, the kings liked to buddy up to them alot, so having a separate army kinda thing wasn't to smart.

I mean it shows up with Christianity and the like, but all that stuff is already in 40k lore lol.

maybe a Tibetan kung fu monk order, cus you know, the Big E lives in tibet?

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>>52566291
Officially, the IVth legion. They did have the winged bolt as an emblem. However, they were noted for "serrated ranks and steel banners", so there's that as well.
"Corpsegrinders" was a supressed unofficial name, but that in fact appeared after - and because of - Perturabo's changes to the legion.

>>52559914
This is sound logic to me.

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>>52566396
I'm pretty much 100% sure the 'hazard strip' had a specific name, and was used on Olimpia as a war banner.

I'm just trying to imagine a splinter group Iron Warriors who went to the old colors, like a few SoH did, and I cant imagine them without the stripes.

Or for that matter being anything like noble or good, maybe stubborn gits from the ridged old days who adapted to the codex Astartes.

>cough cough minotaurs and silver skulls

>>52566386
>you don't honestly see specific gaurds for priests in the ancient world
True, I was hoping there might have been some ancient military regiment that had a bunch of priestesses, or witches, with them. Since back then they believed having that kind of entourage could get the gods on your side. Which fits some of the Custodes overall theme.

>maybe a Tibetan kung fu monk order, cus you know, the Big E lives in tibet?
That sounds neat too, I'll have to check it out.

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AAAaaaHHH

>>52566542
That Death Guard looks so pleased with himself.

>>52566542
What's the context for this hearty DG kek?

>>52566620
He's dying too.

>>52566642
Well then he's going out like a champ, disintegrating to goo inside his armour.

>>52566492
>Minotaurs
Nah, they're Thunder Warriors, not Iron. Both wear bronze, use a bull's head as a symbol and hate Space Marines.

>>52566396
"OH GEE, THESE GUYS ARE DICKS FOR USING INTELLIGENT STRATEGY!". I mean, they aren't wrong. Even in Pre-Heresy times auxillla and other proto-guardsmen were available on a "by the metric tonne" basis, whereas Marines were by comparison, much dearer assets to be spent.

Just grinding them to hamburger for NO reason would be stupid, but in a lot of cases even getting a Marine hurt or killed compared to the spectacle of "no man's land is now saturated with blood and flesh and resembles a small lake" would be a bad trade to save that. It would be better to use the auxilla like a meat hammer to batter down the enemy and then cut their throats with the marines.

>>52566620
Isn't he that DG from the HH novels that's basically a walking cloud of disease? Mortarion insists he wears armor to contain it but around enemy forces he can pop the armor seals and basically fuck everyone up.

So in the book Angels of Caliban, Typhus talks about the "7 pillars". These are the 7 space marines who fell to chaos before even lorgar and were plotting to spread it throughout the legions.

Erebus is a confirmed other pillar. I think it's safe to say Kor'Phaeron was one too. So who would the other 4 be? Fabius? Amon?

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>>52566492
You mean, to the pre-Olympian colours? "Stubborn gits that adapted to the Codex Astartes" does sound like them, considering back in the day they were stubborn gits that followed the Principial Bellicosa.
Notice how all mentions of the pre-Perturabo time merely calls them "the IVth legion", still wearing mostly the old Grey Legion colours...yet they already had loyalist spike bonding studds.
The opposite of that colour scheme would be, interestingly, not too dissimilar to the Minotaurs and their greek themes. Althought those Iron Warriors who remained loyal to the Emperor still wore the Olympian chevrons, like Dantioch and his full cape of hazard stripes.

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>>52566673
It's not like the current Imperial Guard doesn't do that when it can, nor like they don't adore the Emperor as a God like Lorgar did.
A few of their practices were simply too...advanced for their time :^)

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>>52566542
>>52566587
He does, doesn't he?
>>52566620
Idk.

>>52566542
Do space marines not have an internal air supply? I know it might not help in this particular case since the gas looks corrosive.

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>>52566987
Yeah, but even the tiniest scratch can be enough to kill you.

>>52564343
>>52564390
Put magnet in the magazine? Looks like the thickes part on it.

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>>52566668

>"Nah, they're Thunder Warriors"

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Buying a Reaver Titan. Goodbye money. Trying not to be that guy and going for the classic loadout.

>>52567325
if you're a man you'll convert it into a lucius pattern reaver

>>52567325
Ugliest titan

>>52562171
Shas is a /tg vet, and has done so much for the community. I bet you hate Al as well

>>52562287
You know the first two books were made in 6th ed

>>52566668
Minotaurs are either WE or maybe SoH

Why won't Mortarion take a bath?

>>52566708
Not actively spreading but they made their primarchs did fall
Erebus&Kor Phaeron
Thypon
Kharn
Fabius
Amon if he is Magnus' father

>>52567496
Kharn? What are you talking about anon

>>52566301
Not priestess
But the Templars had their own chaplains answerable to the pope only, oh and fire

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>>52567478
>all the Chapters with unknown founders are loyalists from traitor legions

>>52559715
Isn't book 42 the Shattered Legions? Do you have the Unspoken short perhaps?
Which story of Garro are you looking for?
You can upload using Zippyshare the most easily.

>>52567502
Angron realised even his own legionaries were better then him

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>>52567553
>FW isn't allowed to take chapters whatever way they wish

>>52567451
Shas and Al (where did he go?) are good, but many trips are awful. Uni, AWG, KotSY and others shit up the place, I imagine Uni isn't doing it on purpose but his fluff and crunch knowledge is so poor that it's pointless him drawing attention to himself.

All boards should be forced Anon with an ID like on /pol/.

>>52568126

Come on man, Uni may not be perfect but he's no fucking AWG.

>>52566226
Unwieldy means you strike last, might lose gang up bonus by the time you swing

>>52563867
Freehand detailing and gold trim instead of red.

(for White Scars)

>>52568126
>All boards should be forced Anon with an ID
But then how will I take both sides of an argument in the same thread?

>>52568165
Yeah he isn't one of the obnoxious attention whore trips like AWG but IMO if you are going to be handing out advice as a trip you have to be 100% correct all the time. A lot of stuff Uni posted wasn't correct, whether it was fluff or crunch.

Anyone have Scatter Chance table? Like, if you have BS X then there is Y% chance you will hit, considering the base size and 2" distance or something.

Yo I was looking into thousand sons never having played heresy before, and I'm noticing that whilst the cult arcanas look pretty damn nifty on certain specialists, none of them look super useful on troops. Is that intentional?

>>52568490
>improved invulnerable for breachers
>improved shooting for tacs
>improved hammer of wrath/sweep for assaults
what weird ass book were you reading?

>>52568536

I play 40k, and being handed hammer of wrath/crusader is pretty worthless most of the time as a benefit.

Improved shooting if you stand still is fantastic for support units, mediocre but handy for Tacticals.

If there's a troops choice that can take invulnerable saves then sure, a free +1 is real fuckin' neato.

I know only the most basics about WH40k.

Are the Horus Heresy novels available through the humblebundle any good? Are they good reads, and will someone who has read a handful of articles on 1d4chan and overheard friends talk about 40k be able to follow along?

Will they give me a good feel for the 40k atmosphere so I can figure out if I want to start exploring this game more?

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>>52568185

Heavy chain swords are just S+2 Ap5 2H, not Unweildly.

>>52568558
>I play 40k, and being handed hammer of wrath/crusader is pretty worthless most of the time as a benefit.
When everyone is playing tac marines even a small benefit is useful.

>Improved shooting if you stand still is fantastic for support units, mediocre but handy for Tacticals.
Yeah the arcana benefit some units more than others but that always happens, as with the above when everyone on the board is BS4 a boost to shooting may tip the scales your way.

>If there's a troops choice that can take invulnerable saves then sure, a free +1 is real fuckin' neato.
Yeah, breachers get 6++ against shooting and 5++ in assault, I believe there are ways to boost this further.

>>52568596
Everyone like different HH books, for example many people don't rate the dark angels books but I really liked them. If you can afford the $15 or whatever just buy them. Also HH and 40k are different things.

>>52567325
Is it lining up to boot that techpriest across the battlefield?
>hit enemy titan in head
>GOOOOOOOOOOOOOAL

Well guys, I've been saving money for a spartan, some breachers and upgrades for my Word Bearers but the rumour of the plastic thunderhawk gives me the feeling that if it comes out soon I'll probably buy it. What do you think I should do? When do you guys think the thunderhawk will be released?

>>52569082
Thunderhawks aren't worth their points, get the spartan and stuff, you will use it a lot more.

Can a brotherhood of psykers with Iron Arm or Warp Speed gain the buffs across the whole unit? Because if so holy shit.

>>52569179
No, for Brotherhoods of Psykers those powers have to be spread over to many members which results in a reverse effect meaning the same values are substracted from the profiles of every model in the unit. It's in the rules, look it up.

>>52569209

No need to get snippy, I'm just realising how ludicrous having a T7 unit with smash is.

>>52563867
Blood Angels nipple armour for my Blood Angels nipples

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>>52569254
And I was just hoping to make somebody scramble for a rulebook to check that rediculeous claim.

>>52569320
And people wonder why they get snarky "muh spoodfeeding" responses to rules queries.

>>52569320
I think you're wrong, sadly. Under special rules for Brotherhood it states:

>"the unit follows all normal rules for psykers"

Except for measuring LoS/Perils effects. It doesn't say anything about it in the Psychic phase section either, so I guess you can. FFS, that's broken as shit.

There's your rules scramble, but I'll look through any FAQ's to see if they say anything

>>52569082
The Thunderhawk is garbage. It costs an assload of points for a sub-par transport with all the usual troubles air-vehicles (and especially air transports) have, coupled with a sub-par Shadowsword with a worse gun.

I mean, I'll still get one, but only as a display piece.

>>52568126
>>52568209
Uni was fine.
New bread
>>52570310
>>52570310
>>52570310

>>52560626
Reductor means an expensive tax in Magos and Thallax, and MoR is one less troop slot. With Secutarii being the hotness taking only a 60 point HQ and two 35 point Thrall units gives you lots of space for Peltasts and Hoplites in Triaros. You lose super MTC and scoring in enemy deployment tanks but if you want a mechanized shooty horde plain Taghmata does it a bit better.