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First for Russ

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First for best Primarch.

Alright kids, it's time to give your fellow anon some advice. I've been tinkering around building lists, and I've come up with these 3 for 3k. Which of them would you most like to see on the table, both in terms of a cool looking army as well as something that would be fun to play against in a semi-competitive setting? not gonna list every single piece of wargear just for ease of typing.

Iron Hands Head of the Gorgon
iron father, termie, hammer
Orth
plasma vet squad
flamer vet squad
2 apothecaries
7 man gorgon squad
2x rhino tacticals
2x vindi squadrons, 2 vindis each
Mastodon

Night Lords Horror Cult
Jump Pack paragon Praetor
Jump pack Chappy
Apothecaries, 2 AA, 1 jump pack
Teleport Termies, Combi meltas and chainfists
2 19 man tac squads, both with Kharybdis DT
max Raptor squad
Kraken lightning strike fighter
knight Acheron

Ordo Reductor Matrix Of Ruin
Archmagos reductor, chainfist abeyant
Axiarch, power fist photo gauntlet

2x 20 Peltasts with hammershot in Triaros
2 min Thallax squads, melta bombs and destructor augment
2 Vulturax
Macrocarid with all the toys
Destructors with either imploders
Artillery tank battery, 2 tanks, Medusa cannons

let me know what you think of the lists, not sure which I want to do and haven't bought much yet.

>>52540338

First was for Alpha Legion.

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>>52540726
A nice looking Archmagos is the best thing to come out of Gathering Storm desu

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Vakrah Jal when?

>>52541426
Those are going to be fucking badass. I really hope they will release a shadow crusade book in the next years

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R8 my custards list /tg/, just need my tribune model on the way from China and I can play this

Fucking Asshole Tribune
-cyber familiar
-paragon spear
-praesidium shield
-digital lasers
-arae shrikes
-melta bombs

5-man Hetaeron Guard
-3 paragon spears
-2 solarite gauntlets
-prasidium shields
-arae shrikes
-Coronus
-extra armour
-armoured ceramite

Achillus
-dreadspear

5-man Custodia Guard Squad
-4 adrasite spears
-arae skrikes
-vexilla with sentinal warblade
-Coronus


5-man Custodia Guard Squad
-4 adrasite spears
-arae skrikes
-vexilla with sentinal warblade
-Coronus

Caladius

Caladius

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>>52541355
Indeed. Big Magos and Thicc Saint. It's good to be an Imperial.

>>52541426
It's a shame that such cool looking marines are stuck in the worst legion.

>>52541625
>Omnissiah.
>Not even once.

>>52540935
I like the iron hands one the most. Night lords one gets 2nd place.

>>52541625
Every time I see this image I think of it as a digimon or pokemon evolution tree

>>52541668
You mean the best legion right?
You ultramarines never seem to learn

>>52541706
Magosmon digivolve to...
Caulmon!

>>52541355
>t.assblasted Lorgar

>>52540726
I don't see a Primarch in there.

Just the blasphemous spawn of Xenos necromancy.

>>52541706
It sort of is.
>>52541684
Omnissiah yes. Mmmm big Magos

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>>52541760
>Just the blasphemous spawn of Xenos necromancy
>Implying the numbered mistakes aren't blasphemous warp spawn of the Emperor's Biomancy.
Guilliman I'd like pic related anyway. You could say he's always been a good...head of state :^)

>>52540935
The Iron Hands army is almost certainly the most fun of those to play against.

>>52541617
It only takes a brief skim to concluce that your list will be more than fine.

>>52541833
Unlike Ferrus.

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> Be Me
> Aquired more names than I can fucking count serving the Emperor
> Some no-name Renegade Knight tears my legs off with his fucking Chainplank
> dying.jpeg
> Spend last few seconds of life counting names, realize I was one off 300
> WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
> Aw well, good innings
> Come to
> Techpriests are plugging tubes into my nipples, their rasping seems more...sharp than normal
> 'Dafuq you speccy cunts?' I cry
> 'We making you a Dread bitch' they reply
> Realise I'm gonna spend all my free time with no one but those altzy fucks they keep in the shed
> WRYYYYYYYYYYY intensifies
> They put me to sleep, their breathing gets faster
> Terra's Tits sleeping's awesome! No wonder normal people do it all the time!
> Someones trying to wake me up, tell them to fuck off
> Valdor of all people comes down to see me, tells me a certain someone is on the battlefeild
> Wake up so fucking hard I punch through three bulkheads
> Horny bastards give me the D and Shooting Stars me onto the planet
> Fucker can cover himself in as many spikes and frowny faces as he likes, but I'd recognise him anywhere
> Good day today

> loli Astropath waifu
Um... ok?
> machine spirit waifu AND dark eldar waifu
What

>>52541954
Explain

>>52541980
Lat thread. Bitching about all the female characters in ADB books. Apparently girls aren't allowed to exist in 30k or some shit. Just ignore the mouthbreathers.

>>52542001
It's not about waifus. It's about SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE waifus.

Oh, also
> Perpetual waifu
Damn it

>>52542001
It's about ethics in waifu writing.

>>52542001
>this caused a big argument in the last thread
>let's see if we can get that going again
Must you?

>>52541833
>But Primarch Guilliman, per your own laws, nobody can twice lay claim to the title of Regent
>Yes, Valdor, no body. But as you can plainly see, I've got a shiny new body.

So what are some predictions if Armageddon is more or less a beta test of 8th edition rules ? Resurgence of heavy bolters and auto-cannons thanks to the -3 armor modifier ? I could see that putting a damper on Tactical mobs.

Or could FW decide to stick to 7th edition rule set ?

>>52542063
I was saying that we should ignore them. Not fucking argue this shit again. My Titan princeps and several of my characters are female and I do not give a shit. To each his own.

Now, what about those chainaxes? At least that shitstorm is 30k related.

>>52542089
>
Chain Axes are totally balanced and should be free to melee space marine armies.

Fuck you.

>>52542087
Blood Angels will be cancerous if it uses those rules.

I'd be fine with either 7th or Armageddon. Although I doubt 8th will be here for a while. They are still debating core rules.

>>52542087
Volkite becomes even more fun if it reduces marines' armour saves.
>get more unsaved wounds than before
>causing more bonus hits
>bonus hits result in more unsaved wounds as well

>>52541936

Are there any novels with a dread protagonist because I would read the shit out of belligerent sleepy rage fridge adventures.

>>52542169
Betrayer has Lhorke, the old Legion master of the World Eaters, and now a Contemptor. There's also Telemechrus from Know No Fear.

>>52542087
Shadow wars is litterally 2nd edition. GW might be trying to field test it but if they really wanted opinions on the 2nd edition ruleset and what its flaws and strong points were they could just have used google and read some forums.
And I mean, they didn't even fix the issues of 2nd edition in Shadow Wars, sooooo .... yeah.

>>52542087
Flamers with -2 armor save seem like they could do some damage now.

Also, I'm curious about power axes. They're listed as two handed but don't have a listed save modifier so their save modifier is strength dependent. Meaning +3 strength on a marine is a -4 save modifier... without unwieldy. Brutal.

>>52542135
>WE need to have chainaxe on the model
>Meanwhile BA get the same Str bonus with just any melee weapon

top kek.

How many of you guys use named special characters in your list?

>>52542251
Encarmine Fury > Rusty Nails in Brain

>>52542251
Well, you don't even really have to, its not as if WYSIWYG applies to Close Combat Weapons for fuckign frag grenades.

NOW DOES IT BITCH NON.

Toppp KeK.

(Parody aside)

Chainaxes at least look cool.

>>52542135
Why pay CCWs then ?

>>52542337
Free replacement of a CCW.

It makes perfect sense anon, my Chain Axe is the same as my Chain Sword, except its better.

But technically the same

>>52542169
>>52542187
He's not the protagonist, but there's Brother Bombastus in the Sisyphean books. I thought the scenes where he started rapping were a bit weird though.
>THEY CALL ME BROTHER BOMBASTUS
>SAY ME FANTASTUS

If someone still has that old pdf of just the custodes shit in inferno lying around could they please put it up
in for a long ass bus ride tomorrow and wanna try some listbuilding to kill time, my phone doesnt have enough data to hold all of inferno but should be fine with that pdf

>>52542487
http://www.mediafire.com/file/1voouhaka9bctd9/Talons+of+the+Emperor.pdf

>>52542422
Please tell me that isn't a Mr Bombastic reference ...

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>>52540726
T-Titus is that you?

>>52542539
Isn't that Cato 'Glory Hound' Sicarus?

>>52542539
How the fuck did you make a crop of a picture 12 times as big as the original?

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>>52542535
thanks anon

Ok, Scoria w/ abeyant get -1 to charge distance. His cyber-magic makes a unit of automata +1 to move and charge distance. When he joins the automata unit and cast cyber-magic on his unit, how will their movement be? Do they still have to use the slowest guy's movement distance?

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>>52541954
>Loli astropath, machine spirit and Dark Eldar waifus
I NEED A SAUCE

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>>52541668

Not really, I for one actually like them because of their willing embrace of Chaos, which is a whole lot more interesting then some of the other legions, who were victim of circumstance.

Its IMO the best thing BL ever did, to trigger the entire heresy by a psychological phenomenon that is well known and fairly common even today.

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>>52542078
Top kek

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>>52542138
>Blood Angels will be cancerous if it uses those rules.
>Implying nipple Assault cannons whilst being as fast as the ECs and as choppy as the WE and wielding swords of double wounding isn't cancerous already.

>>52542731
It is not cancerous if it's free.
Free stuff is always cool.

>>52542731
Just wait until those Sanguinary Guard all have Blades of Perdition. :^)

>>52541760
I see someone hasn't been reading his Regimental Standard. The Commissar has been informed.

>>52542648
He has to move at -1, but the boops (I use Vorax) can move at +1 so long as everyone stays in coherency. So if you need an 8" charge, roll a 7, you'll still be in because the Vorax can make it (ignoring the fact Scoria might be closest, but you get the idea) but Scoria can only move 6", which may mean Vorax #2 may have to stand in between him and Vorax #1 until pile-in to retain unit coherency. If you can't get to B2B contact while keeping the unit in coherency, charge fails. Most often it just means Scoria will be a little back from the front line so he's not in base to base round 1 but can still hit, so not a big deal, but it can fuck you up a little in fringe circumstances.

There was a 40k Admech vs. Tau game on Winters SEO's channel that showed the principle well - he had a Ruststalker pair and a Dominus in a unit (+3 charge for the former), rolled a 2 for a 5" charge and couldn't arrange his unit to stay in coherency because the Dominus lacked the +3", so he still failed the charge.

However, most times you will be able to use the+1 Boop Charge move to make charges, yes.

Should I give my thousand sons veterans all bolters with asphyx shells? It would work nicely with their rending and corvidae re rolls.

Or should I give them missile launchers instead?

Maybe Brotherhood of Psykers for a guaranteed divination+support power?

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How does this look for a 3k Custodes list?

HQ: Constantin Valdor (All models have Teleportation Transponders) 275pt

HQ: Legio Custodes Tribune w/ Praesidium Shield, Digital Lasers, Melta Bombs, Cyber-Familiar, and Paragon Spear 275pt

Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought w/ Dreadspear 240pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla/Sentinel WarBlade and Melta Bombs 310pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad of 5 w/ Melta Bombs 300pt

Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad of 5 w/ a Magisterium Vexilla and Solerite Power Gauntlet 325pt

Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav Carrier w/ Extra Armor 140pt

Fast Attack: Pallas Grav Attack Squad of 1 w/ Extra Armor 90pt

Fast Attack: Pallas Grav Attack Squad of 1 w/ Extra Armor 90pt

Fast Attack: Pallas Grav Attack Squad of 1 w/ Extra Armor 90pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ TL-Arachnus Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav Tank w/ TL-Arachnus Blaze Cannon and Extra Armor 215pt

Total = 3000pt

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With Horus Heresy being a sort of fictional historical wargame how much of a purist are you ?

[ ] proper marks for all equipment, armour and vehicles, be it old metal GW or current FW
[ ] you can replace some things with modern equipment to save money, for example GW Rhinos
[ ] as long as it's GW or FW it's ok
[ ] even 3rd party is fine as long as it looks like HH and it's clear what is what

>>52542903
The TS player I saw last week had POTL and spammed sniper veterans with divination and asphyx shells, besides quad mortars and some other things.

He tabled his opponent by turn 3.

How does the economy work in 30k/40k. Who pays for this 10 thousand year constant state of war? We know there isn't infinite money otherwise guard would have power armour and bolters, so where does the money come from? Even if the imperium defeats all its enemies it's gonna have some serious post war economic issues, I think ultimately the biggest threat is the economy not chaos.

>>52542659
Former is Sev audio drama, and latter is Talon of Horus iirc

>>52542903
I'd save the missile launchers for heavy support squads, otherwise you'll have a non-specialized squad that won't know what to shoot at every turn. So, bolters with asphyx.

>>52542967
I'm a purist so I decked out my Siege of Terra Imperial Fists entirely in MK.7.

>>52540378
Someone plz gib a painting guide for russ

>>52542967
>for example GW Rhinos

Also known as Mars pattern Rhinos, which were also used during HH according to FW's own black books.

Seriously, does nobody read the black books anymore and assume that unless it is resin it didn't exist in 30k ?!

>>52543000
The Imperium doesn't care about paying, it just request the resources it needs to fight the wars. Evey planet has to pay a tithe in the resources it can provide, like food and water, manpower, raw materials, things like that. In return the planets can call on the various Imperial military organisations if things go south.

>>52542977
Holy shit. I have 3 squads ready to assemble, so thanks. I'm just running the thousand sons RoW with max infantry. 60 tactical marines with apothecaries with corvidae re rolls and maybe divination support.

Rerolling fury of the legion is awesome. I know rerolling 1s and 2s at bs4 is better than having bs5, but what's the math compared to rerolling 1s only?

>>52542659
Sev escapes from DA only to punch to death Astropath choir leader who abused his loli astropath waifu, and surrenders to DA again voluntarily.

>>52543088
Rerolling 1s is half as good as rerolling 1s and 2s. So if you already know the answer to the latter, devide in two and you got your answer.

>>52542422
Bullshit he did not rap I demand an excerpt

>>52543088
You have a 77% chance of hitting at bs4 rerolling 1's

>>52543118
>first captain of the skin-people-alive-then-fuck-them-to-death legion who decorate their armour with baby skulls
>caring about child abuse

>>52542262
As often as possible when it comes to praetor equivalent s
Almost every time you see a generic praetor he will be kitted out with the same shit

>>52543193
> Not MY waifu you SOB

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>>52543193
Welcome to the Black Library.

>>52543194
Over here we just say a praetor has 'the usual' rather than paragon blade, digital weapons, and Iron halo all the time.

>>52543215
Sevatar is totally a loyalist. You know, the guy who coined, "Death to the false emperor."

>>52542204
Yeah, I started in 2nd and quite frankly I'm not looking forward to all the To Hit and range modifiers. Too long fucking about with the ruler.

>>52542961
OP like most other Custodes list. You'll be fine.

>>52543000
During the Great Crusade the Imperial Tithe was already in effect and squeezing recently-conquered planets pretty hard. Planets are assigned a governor to run things and they have to do the best they can with that tax siphoning wealth (and soldiers) off-world. Though in exchange, there's a chance that the Imperial Army/Guard and Space Marines will save them if they get invaded. Should work the same as any other society with a very high military budget.

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>>52543239
>>52543193
Aaron's on record as saying he deliberately tried to make an edgy character with Sev, with an intent to deconstruct it. It's why there's hints that he's not going back to the NL and is going to disappear from records as MIA. I hope you're ready for him being recurited onto some kind of...suicide squad.

>>52542817
>Implying the Sanguinary Guard won't be an artificer + Double Wounding Assault squad.
>Or that White Scars won't have an all-glaive Jetbike unit.
HH6+ was a mistake, along with the Invictarii

>>52543344
He has to be there at the Terra for the False Emperor battlecry, doesn't he? IIRC it was even on the red book sidebar decription.

>>52543416
There is hope. It does say that the armour and weapons the Sanguinary Guard use in 40k are tradition going back to the Great Crusade, and they are described with those weapons in Fear t Tread. So here's hoping they're just a good AP3 marine mulching unit. Maybe perdition blade for a sergeant equivalent.

>>52543035
No, you are the only one.

>>52542961
Why all the extra armour? Is it really worth it?

>>52543270
Same. I also think too many weapons had armor penetration modifiers - even lasguns were -1!

imo, +/- 0 modifiers to hit or to penetrate armor should be the norm, and only special(ish) weapons should get modifiers. Okay, maybe they do need to give the bolter a -1 against armor, but it's a big decision because it effectively makes marines 4+.

>>52543417
>In b4 BL retconns that iconic part of 30k away

>>52543457
>In b4 FW doesn't include Sanguinary guard for 30k BA because GW already makes models for those.

... wait a minute am I a pessimist ?!

>>52543501
They will probably get an upgrade kit to make it look a little different.

>>52543501
Eh, it's not like GW didn't launch a Guilliman monstrous creature when Primarch Guilliman already existed. FW now has all the right to do whatever it wants

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>>52543501
It is very likely that they do that. They will probably make Lamentii Guard models, cos those were mentioned several times in Retribution

>>52543497
How I think they should do the armour penetrations system :

For most parts exactly the same as it is now, except that if the AP value of the weapon is only 1 point lower than the target's armoursave, the targets recieves a -1 save modifier. Meaning AP 4 knocks down power armour to a 4+ for example. It would make things like heavy bolters a bit more of a consideration.

>>52543555
The system already presented is dependent on both AP (now save modifiers) and strength.
Power swords utterly ignoring power armour yet mauls being a 50/50 chance is better than the current all or nothing system, yeah, but still not enough.
I don't have the rules in my phone and my lap is making a system restore, but strength+save modifiers do make sense.

>>52543551
>Lamentii Guard

BA specialist unit? Sounds cool. What are they described as? Sanguinary Guard predecessor?

Are there any canon instances of traitors who had a change of heart and switched sides? I'm not talking about diehard loyalists within the traitor legions.

>>52543776
The Sanguinary Guard existed during the Heresy. They guarded their Primarch (hence the name)

>>52543800
Hmm, wonder what the difference between the two are. Lamentii is based off lamentation, so maybe some crazy motherfuckers that have grief over something.

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'Waffle Custodian' reporting in with my progress so far.

Just need to do touchups on the gold, highlight the spears, do the gems and plumes, and figure out what I'm going to do with the blades and spikes (the spikes are vexing me)... which sounds like a lot more than it really is, when I list it all out.

>>52543898
Proto-Death guard, or some other badass berserker unit. Then again, they could make them some sort of terminator unit. Since every other legion has one and Space Hulk.

>>52543729
The problem with save modifiers in a system using only D6 is that it is hard to keep armour meaningfull and not have only a very limited pool of weapons with a save modifier.

And most people would rather not resolve 20+ wounds on terminators with 2D6 for every single save.

>>52543943
I would love some blood angel terminators. Few things get me as excited as artificer legion termies. Phoenix and firedrake terminators are sexy as hell.

>>52543898
BA unit made to execute anyone that fell to the red thirst after the battle was done, like BA commissars.

>>52543898
>>52543776
Book 6 describes them as an honour guard unit that stays behind to watch over battlefields where the Blood Angels suffered particularly bad losses.

>>52543923
How much more are you gonna do about the gold ? Looks very flat right now like 99% of the painted custodes out there

>>52543983
That could make sense, although I thought only a few of the higher ups knew about the red rage.

>>52540935
First list is most interesting, room to grow without the mastodon, which will only disappoint you.
Night Lords is meh. Why not.
Third list will get you zero friends, and is full WAAC.
So do some soul searching I guess.

>>52543923
>>52543336
>OP like most other Custodes list. You'll be fine.
This is my planned Custodes list, in case anyone was wondering if I was building Cheesetoads too.


HQ

- Shield-Captain w/ Paragon Spear, Digital Lasers: 220 points

ELITES

- 5 Hetaeron Guard: 350 points

- Contemptor-Achillus w/ Dreadspear: 240 points

TROOPS

- 10 Custodian Guard w/ Vexilla & Sentinel Warblade: 560 points

- 10 Custodian Guard w/ Vexilla & Sentinel Warblade: 560 points

- 5 Sentinel Guard: 310 points

HEAVY SUPPORT

- Contemptor-Galatus: 250 points

Leaving me 10 points short of 2500, so I have some wiggle room to drop a guy and slap on melta bombs, or teleporters, or whatever on a squad.

How does flamer's auto-wound on overwatch and Sniper rule's 6 to AP2 work?

>>52544070
>auto-wound

You mean auto-hit?

>>52540726
>wants to be first
>is second

in everything, why are ultramarines such pathetic shrimpdick little cuck freaks rofl?

>>52542052
I see what you did there

>>52544004
>the gold
It's a weak excuse, but the gold looks a lot better in person, and the lighting in this room is shit. Though I'll admit, from more than 2 feet away it is hard to make out the different shades.

>>52542967
For me, if it's a good conversion, and IT'S ACTUALLY FUCKING PAINTED, I'm not an armor autist.
I just want to play other painted armies... grey plastic or resin is fucking ugly.
Why are you even playing this fucking game if you can't be asked to paint or base.
> Oh well I suck at painting/too hard/no time
Then get a different hobby. And every mother fucker who whines about no time you know doesn't work but 3 days a week, or plays a shit load of vidya...

>>52542262
It would be foolish not to in an Alpha Legion list

>>52543417
I thought that happened at Istivaan?

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Ok, so I'm working on some jetbikes. This is the first time I have ever utilized plasticard, I know it doesn't look great but I'm working on it. That said, while I still think the idea is solid, I'm not sure this is the right implementation. I don't know if I should a) extend the card all the way out b) keep it the same length but cut the fins off of the end prongs c) cut off the prongs up to where the end of the plasticard is currently

Right now I think it looks rather insectoid and I don't really want that.

>>52543473
Reducing Crew Stunned to Shaken is a godsend so you can still fly away and use Machine Spirit to fire a single weapon at full BS.

>>52544064
Break up those squads of 10 into 5 at the very least or you'll fucking hate yourself.

>>52543992
For what purpose?

>>52544338
Because BA arent expendable like the WE/IW/IF/DG and every sacrifice needs to be remembered.

>>52544156
Only Reddit claims to be Reddit, Reddit.

>>52544438
t.reddit

>>52544338
Think of it like the ceremonial guard for the tomb of the unknown soldier

>>52544483
That's kind of cool, I wonder if they will waste artificer armor on them however.

>>52544508
This is the Blood Angels we're talking about of course they did

>>52544438
>>52544462
Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated ban, thanks to you. And thanks to you, I've left my shitpost. You have too. You've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm Reddit, and you are too. No... it's the two of us together. Where we are today, we built it. This story, this shitpost; it's ours. We can change the internet, and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you wherever you go. Thank you, my friend. From here on out... you're Reddit.

>>52543923
>>52544004
You guy are aware that all you need to do electroplating is a plastic bucket and a battery charger right? Why bother painting them Gold when you can actually electroplated them then paint on a few details?

>>52544638
t.t.reddit

Two things hhg

Is it weird that my favourite models to paint are tactical marines?

Also, how do you think the Imperium would react to plasmids? Yay or nay?

>>52544785
Nah, I love painting tac Marines. Something about doing the little guys and adding in little bits and chips to make them unique in their own right is pretty fun.

Plasmids? Not cool enough to know what they are

Night lords assault terminators: should I run Catas or Tarts? I'm thinking 2 pairs of claws, a chain fist, a hammer, and a glaive on the sgt, but I'm also thinking about going up to a 10 man squad to make sure I outnumber them.

>>52544785
I don't know. Technically it's a mutation, right?
I guess they're forbidden, but underhivers still use them.
But not vigors, those are magic bullshit.

>>52544646
You, I like you.

>>52543344

ADB already hinted in his GK book that Sev becomes one of the GK founders since one of the statutes has the guy leaning against his power glaive, a classic Sev pose.

>>52544890

I swear to fucking god if Sevatar becomes a GK founder..

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>>52544890
He really does that pose?

>>52544650
G'day reddit!

>>52544983
t. reddit

>>52544646
>>52544878
You can also do multi color electroplating. For instance you could electroplate a model silver then cover the paldrons, greaves and chest plate with a careful application of rubber cement then electroplate it gold. Afterwards peel off the cement and you have gold armor with silver highlights.

Wait a second... there are people here who aren't from Reddit?

>>52544271
Will do, thanks for the advice.

Works better anyway since I'm painting them in groups of 5, and was thinking of doing a different colour of gem for each squad of spearmen, to help set them each apart (Sentinel Guard get the red shoulders, Hetaeron get capes and Warders of Rython colours).

>>52544999
t. r e dd i t

>>52544890
So for GK founders we have Garro, a shard of Magnus inside of a TS sorcerer, and Sevatar. Am I forgetting anyone?

>>52545026
We need to stop.

>>52545012
So give me 5 reasons why Reddit is bad.

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>>52545026
>a shard of Magnus inside of a TS sorcerer
DELET THIS.

>>52543417

Death to the False Emperor was after Istvaan.

>>52544939

I think it would be cool to see a NL as a founding GK because even though Curze was insane, he was clearly very prophetic, and several NL have the gift as well. I could see a NL as a GK founder, but Servetar would need a pretty major character shift.

I could see it being Servetar if he saw the other legions fall to chaos and he hated the side he chose. He didn't help make the GKs to serve the emperor, but to kill daemons.

>>52545056
(You)

>>52545056
(You)
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>>52544064
You need more anti-tank by a mile, even Meltabombs on a few units plus the Captain is much needed.

Also break up the ten man squads into squads of 5 for more mobility and less bullet magnetization.

Maybe toss in some Adrastite and Pyrithite Spears for more anti-tank capabilities besides Meltas. If you're set on the twin Dreads that's the way to go.

>>52544997
I'm thinking that one could use the sputter deposition (for electron microscopes) for that extra extra thin layer.

>>52544947

If I remember correctly. It was a pretty big hint.

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>>52543000
Pic related.

>>52545026

A Dark Angel Epimethius. Still up in the air whether it's Zahariel or Cypher 2.0....

Omegon was kinda ruled out since Janus (who we met at the end of Beast Arises) is obviously not him

>>52545026

Oh and I'd lay good odds Tylos Rubio ends up as one too. (unless he died and I missed it)

>>52545065
They've tried to muddy it up by having Fel Zharost be recruited into the Knights Errant.

You know, the exiled Terran Chief Librarian of the Night Lords.

>>52545177
>it's Zahariel or Cypher 2.0....
I have some news for you anon.

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>>52544646

>Electroplating a non-conductive material

>>52545219

Shit what'd I miss?

Oh yeah Zahariel got made Cypher didn't he.

>>52545069
>>52545067
One anonymous poster on an imageboard does not make Reddit bad. Give real reasons.

>>52545246
Can you at least provoke an argument about something topic related?

>>52542169
There is a chapter in the book "The Battle of the Fang" from Bjorn the Fellhanded's perspective. It is a long rant as he murders 1ksons by the dozen, raving about how unsatisfying it is because they are just dust. Best chapter of a book I ever read.

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Postan so that any DGanons might give some help, I think it's pretty well-rounded but any advice helps

Rite of War: The Reaping
3,000 Point List

Praetor
>Iron Halo, Paragon Blade
Deathshroud Terminators
>Land Raider, 4 Terminators, Rad Grenades
Siege Breaker Consul
>Terminator Armor, Chainfist

Quad Launcher Battery
>3 Launchers, Shatter Shells, Phosphex Shells
Contemptor-Morris Dreadnought
>Twin Kheres Assault Cannons
Deathshroud Terminators
>Land Raider, 4 Terminators, Rad Grenades
Apothecarion Detachment
>2 Apothecaries

Despoiler Squad
>20 Men, Rad Grenades, Power Axe
Despoiler Squad
>20 Men, Rad Grenades, Power Axe
Heavy Support Squad
>Autocannons, Rhino
Heavy Support Squad
>Autocannons, Rhino

Vindicator
>Dozer Blade
Vindicator
>Dozer Blade
Deredeo Dreadnought
>Plasma Cannonade?

Not 100% on doing Despoilers, on one hand 64 attacks on the charge is kickass, but on the other FotL and not having to get into close combat is nice. Thoughts?

Also, is the Plasma Cannonade worth it? I feel like I'm exchange raw anti-Tank power for breddy gud anti-infantry frying, but lots of people seem to dislike it for whatever reason.

>>52545326
> He thought he could finally end his miserable life by hands of Magnus
> Battle of the Fang was in M32

Yeah that was sad.

>>52542001

We would have never had this problem if Games Workshop would just give writers free rein to create female Space Marines. What does it matter anyway, since its literally about 10,000 years before the current timeline and almost all the Space Marines die anyway?

Might as well write how a talented badass pilot manhandled all those dead Space Marines in her giant robot, or how an experienced battleship captain who doesn't have to deal with excessive testosterone affecting her brain ends up destroying Space Marine spaceships.

>>52545343
The despoilers are probably the weakest point of the list, detracting from the strongest advantage tacticals have, FoTL.

Those 20 man squads also won't hold up in melee to a variety of troop choices.

Cybernetica, Custodes, Militia.

>>52545370
We wouldn't have this problem if nerds didn't complain about girls.

>>52545370
(You)

Is this thread always so full of bait?

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>>52545744
Someone should replace the ancapball with a chaosball

>>52545763
Legionballs need to be a thing.

>>52545744
Aren't Chaos Gods unelected head of states / realms as well?

Or what if for header images we use asthetically pleasing memes instead of intentionally ugly memes?

>>52545796

Can't get more democratic than being generated from the collective subcomcious of all life.

>>52545813
Cue Collective Consciousness

> Let the Chaos control your soul

>>52545804
Get a load of this faggot.

>>52545065
Sevatar makes a good choice in my opinion. He was already kind of relegated from his own legion in a way. He's dispassionate, extremely strong willed, intelligent, and is naturally psychic. Also, he's more or less Sigismund's equal in a fight... which no other astartes can claim. Combined with a trained and nurtured psychic talent, he could be the best astartes of all in a fight by quite a margin.

I think his being a founding member of the Grey Knights would be a cool twist and a well-fitting choice for the fluff.

>>52545744

>traitors elect Warmaster as their true emperor
>proceed to turn the Warmaster's regime into a corrupt meritocracy where people are more interested with backstabbing each other to pursue their own vainglorious interests or sheer greed
>sabotage their own movement constantly, with many outright abandoning the Siege of Terra

Thats the funny part of this story.

>>52545885
Kharn, Azkaellon, Qin, Corswain....

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>>52545957
Just as planned...

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Someone pointed out that the GK brotherhood badges are Legion symbols that've been fucked about with a bit. It's a pretty decent clue.

This for example is the 8th, Khyron's.

>>52542967
>you can replace some things with modern equipment to save money, for example GW Rhinos
I'm right here. That said, I play Blackshields; a mashup of equipment is essentially mandatory. HOWEVER, I make two exceptions, and both are replacing backpacks; I either use Mk4 backpacks with Mk3/Mk2 armor, or I use Anvil's Fusion packs. I just hate the look of the Mk3 backpack, it ruins otherwise good armor.
I'm working on 30 Marauders that all have unique mixes of Mk2-6 armor salvaged from the battlefield as well, so... There's that issue too.

>>52542967

>[ ] you can replace some things with modern equipment to save money, for example GW Rhinos

If its written in lore or has lore basis, its fair game. I don't like working with resin products anyway.

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Post serious music that fits the 30K feel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExoKnhSZFCE&t=113s

>>52545966
Kharn never fought Sigismund to what amounted to a draw. He lost every fight with Sigismund. Azkaellon, Qin, Corswain, even Abaddon, while immensely skilled and talented are never directly compared to Sigismund. Sigismund, however, is often referred to as the outright best fighter of all the legions, especially so in a duel.

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>>52546067
2:19 really gets the juices flowin

>>52546086
Didn't Kharn said he's holding back or something? 'I'll need to be serious and really try to kill you.' Sort of.

>>52546086
>nearly gets shanked by an athane
>saved by Rann
You should have died to that anon, you're getting sloppy

>>52545885
>He was already kind of relegated from his own legion in a way.
Do we know when Sevatar was recruited? It makes sense that earlier Nostraman recruits would be different than those who were inducted once the planet went full Gotham again. More like the type of men Curze wanted the Night Lords to be.

>>52546169
>>52546086
Yeah. The idea they presented is that if Kharn gave in 100% to his bloodlust he would beat Sigismund. The problem would be that Sigismund would be dead.
Kharn nerfs himself in every friendly duel he has except those with Siggy, because Siggy is just so fucking good that Kharn can let go up to like, 80, 90% and Sigismund can still fend him off and end the fight.

Then as mentioned, Sev took Sig to an effective draw. Sig beat everyone else.

>>52546348
Anyone got the book where Raldoran and Sigismund fight? What happened there?

>>52546086

Speaking of Siggy.

Was it ever confirmed Dorn never forgave him? or is everyone just assuming that?

>>52546421
Assuming, I think. The Man of Stone is not a forgiving sort. I'm looking forward to seeing how Sigismund gets named Emperor's Champion though. I bet there's gonna be some manly tears in that scene if Dorn is around to comment on it.

>>52546421
The whole "Dorn hates Sigismund" thing is a recent invention of BL so no one knows how thats going to end but if Dorn doesnt forgive him then its going to be so funny when he gets promoted to Emperor's Champion.

>>52542967
Proper marks for the time period they're modeled for, some gw vehicles because I prefer the cleaner angles on the GW rhino and predator. Conversions for some of my mechanicum because it's a slightly divergent forgeworld (Kiavahr stubbornly clings to some independance, and Corax helps them as long as XIXth gets access to the good toys)


as for what I enjoy fighting against, I really enjoy playing against lovingly converted stuff that is clear on what everything is and sticks to the appropriate sizes, but still has a unique spin to it. (stuff like magos crazyeyes or whoever was building the whale with an eye to size and clarity while still being biotech)

Another thought:

The great crusade should have lasted something like ~500 years. 200 is a little short for all the battles and legends and CONQUERING A NOT INSIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF THE GALAXY.

But I guess it's a another victim of the trope: sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.

Sigismund ranging around the battlements trying to find Abaddon, slaying everyone stupid enough to come near him out of hand, is a pretty cool image.

Why the hell does Lucius swag so much even though he's not even in top 20 fighters list?

>>52546533
Yeah. They did try and add some time onto the start by not including Unifcation to it.
And bear in mind we barely see any of the peaceful pacifications, because we're all here for the waaaaaaaargghhh

>>52546444

I'd been thinking the Emp's Champion was a punishment, as in "go be his champ because you sure as hell ain't mine" and a sort of suicide mission that neither was hoping Siggy would return from.

That's if they go through with no forgiveness bit. Or they could do both and Dorn could forgive him after seeing all the stuff with Emps and losing Sanguinius too.

I just hope they reconcile. Currently it's a good narrative thread, but if they don't end well with each other it will be quite disappointing.

>>52546555
Arrogance is kind of an EC thing.
Also, he was an up-and-coming line officer when the series kicked off. The idea is that he *is* good, he *knows* he's good, he just hasn't had all the opportunity to prove it because he's a newish guy to the scene...and his arrogance means he loses some fights.

The last time we saw him he was off on a quest to defeat all the legion champions, after all. Of course he immediately hit a brick wall when Ahriman stopped him killing Sanakht, and no doubt he'll be hanging with the Thousand Sons for a bit in Crimson King, so McNeil can write about someone he actually likes.

>>52546603
Didn't he got his ass kicked by some snowflaked RG guy?

>>52546658
Yeah, but you answered the question as to how that happened.

>>52546658

Yup. Nykona Sharrowkyn. And the author was super careful to describe how the RG dude took no pleasure in it.

Then Lucius woke up in Fabius' lab anyway.

>>52546588

Lets not forget that both of them live for a time after the Second Founding. Its possible that they reconciled at some point, after Dorn witnesses the righteousness of Sig's eternal crusade. Similarly, Sig would pay Dorn tribute after his "demise".

>>52546710
The only thing that makes me as emo as my legion gets memed as is the number of shitty writers that do anything for Raven Guard.

can I just for once get a story by a decent author?

>>52545966
Qin Xa was defeated by Eidolon fair and square so you'd need to add him.

>>52546771

Story of RG's survival on Istvaan 5 in Book 4 (?) was pretty awesome.

>>52544848

Bump here?

>>52546771

If you subject the Alpha Legion bits from Deliverance Gav's done a pretty good job with his stories IMO.

The AL memery in that book and the amount of sheer stupidity required by the RG for it all to work is fucking ridiculous though.

McNeil did a good job with the squad who showed up on Macragge in his last UM book.

>>52546333
Sevatar was marked for death by his own legion/primarch. He was only allowed to live as long as he was useful, which he was.

>>52546862
Do we know what he did to piss Curze off?

>>52546787
Pre-zombie Eidonlon or Post-zombie Eidolon?

>>52546889

Not that guy, hard to say. Forgetting to put a baby in Curze's omelette would piss him off.

Man, as much as I hate hero hammer, I really should probably use Servetar. All this talk about him made me go check his rules again, and I am reminded that he is just a solid character.

>>52547054
>disliking named characters
>in 30k

>>52547127
How is it different from hating named characters in 40k?

>>52546855
>Emperor hides gene tec behind a death maze
>Populates soul forge with a bunch of plot lines that go nowhere
>Ravenlord...
Shit, that one was decent
>Weregeld makes him completely unsympathetic by trying to waste the lives of all his men

Yeah no

>>52547054
At worst you can just rename him and use the rules.

Shit, that's been the official GW stance on it since forever.

>>52547143

The named characters in 40k either aren't worth taking at all or fucking annihilate the board. The arms race in 30k is much more balanced, but fielding multiple heroes is nevertheless an escalation of power.

>>52547144

Haha. Fair enough. I'm a massive RG fanboy too, so I try to look for the good I can in what little RG stuff there is.

>>52547182
>all 30k special characters are created equal
>but some are created more equal than others

>>52547229

More like field enough special characters and you get the Power Rangers.

>>52547127
>using named characters
>in non-narrative games

>>52547273
I wonder, what army, going by just a standard FOC, could field the most special characters? Of the top of my head I'd say 5e IG.

>Creed and Kell in a company command squad
>Straken and Nork in another
>Margos as Elite
>Chenkov leading a platoon
>Al'Rahem leading another
>Harker leading a veteran squad
>Bastonne leading another
>Kamir leading a rough rider squad
>Pask leading a Russ squadron

11 named characters legally in one army.

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Let's talk about the legion champions in an autistic manner, starting obviously with legion one
>DA
Formerly Alajos. Alajos was only ever beaten four times; once each by Astelan and Corswain in honour duels, the third time by Sevatar in an actual duel. The fourth defeat, which ended his career and life was also at the hands of Sevatar, who gave him the ol' Ferrus treatment.
Alajos once wielded an axe, which Leman Russ seized and used to duel with the Lion. The Space Wolves kept the axe afterwards, considering it a wyrd-weapon. It was given to the first SW aspirant born after the Heresy who made it to full wolf.
Alajos was replaced by Corswain, his second. Since taking the role Corswain has never technically been beaten, but like many of the named characters in serialized fiction, his fights end in draws. Corswain is particularly notable for losing his sword in Konrad Curze's back. Careless.
He was last seen commanding one half of the Lion's forces, hunting down the Death Guard fleet under Calas Typhon. Another sword believed to have belonged to Corswain is now a relic blade of the modern Dark Angels.

I don't like the DA all that, but I really think we need more swordfights with them in it, they're fucking space knights.

>>52547418

I like this idea. Carry on anon.

>>52547418

Space Knights at their best fighting Space Bandits.

>>52547418
To add to the Alajos information, he once tried to provoke Sigismund to duel him, but Sig was on guard duty and told him to fuck off.
A technical defeat for the Dark Angels, there.

>>52546710
The Raven so special that even Alpharius acknowledged how great he is. Imagine being that much of a sue

>>52547494
Didnt they duel later because the legions had some kind of dispute?.

>>52546025
This is kinda blowin' my mind right now, senpai.

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>EC
Strangely (or perhaps not if you think about it) for a legion of duellists, the EC don't really seem to have a named champion, though it's implied it's a role both Eidolon and Lucius see themselves as, leading to the rancour between them. Both think they can take the other, though they've never actually duelled as far as I know.

Eidolon, despite being consistently portrayed as a massive fuck-up, defeated Qin Xa, considered by many to be the White Scars champion, in single combat. Of course, Eidolon was by that point no longer an ordinary space marine. Haxx.

Lucius hardly needs any introduction, but here goes anyway. Renowned in his own legion to be unbeatable, though considering the command structure of the EC, it seems unlikely he fought anyone higher ranked than him. He took his first known defeat after taking on all of the Mournival of the Luna Wolves, one after the other. The last of them, Garviel Loken, defeated Lucius by punching him in the face at the onset of the duel. His complaints of no-fairsies were ignored and this counts as Lucius first defeat.
Lucius' broken nose didn't set correctly, in his eyes marring his perfect features. This chink in his self-image actually ended up contributing in a small way to his eventual moral downfall. Thanks, Loken.

Lucius didn't actually duel much after things went to shit, as it was so obvious he could beat everyone that he had no interest in going through the motions. Eventually he met Nykona Sharrowkyn of the Raven Guard and fell in love.
Lucius made the mistake of fucking around in their second duel (the first was inconclusive) and ended up getting his hearts broken.

After being returned to life...somehow...Lucius decided to go and kill all the Legion champions to make himself feel better. Like any bully, he decided to pick on the nerds first, and defeated Sanakht of the Thousand Sons in a no-fireballs fight. He didn't get to kill him however, as Ahriman intervened to stop the death-blow.

Kinda ironic that Space Teutons got archer-caverly special wargear (molecular acid shells) and Space Mongols got melee caverly special wargear (power glaive)

>>52547582
No idea! I'm just writing what I can remember.

>>52547674
I remember in the Templar audiobook he was on guard duty in the Temple of Oaths and a DA comes to talk to him, he teases Sigismund to duel by approaching the Temple and talks about the nature of their role as champions or some shit. They had to duel the following day because the DA and IF had some kind of dispute that needed to be cleared.

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>IW
The bitterboys don't seem to have really had a named champion, presumably because they don't believe in bringing knives to a gunfight.

It is worth noting, however, that Warsmith Kroeger was elevated to his ranking position from a line pleb after Pertuarbo noticed he was a superior close-range bloody brawler, and figured he might like one of those on his command staff. Kroeger almost immediately becomes tempted by Khorne and ultimately goes down that path during the Long War, so maybe you could say it was him? I mean, who else is gonna step forward if Pertuarbo wants one of his boys to smack a bitch up?
He was last seen with the others of the Trident aboard the Iron Blood.

If anyone actually knows who the Iron Warriors champion is, that would be neato.

>>52547717

>Sigismund's life was basically a SoL where he talked with people from all the other Legions before kicking their asses over the silliest challenges or disputes

What a comfy life he had. If only it stayed that way.

>>52547717
That was definitely Alajos. And so another legion notch is added to Sigismund's chain. Can the Black Knight ever be stopped?
probably, yes, but fuck you abaddon you cheating bitch

>>52547801

Old age stopped Sigismund.

>>52547850
But Astartes are immortal :^)

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>WS
The White Scars have had two known champions, Jubal Khan and Qin Xa.
Qin Xa, similar to Lucius, was thought of as unbeatable inside his legion. The Master of the Keshig (First Captain equivalent), he was one of Jagahatai Khan's oldest friends and a really chill guy.
Xa is kind of unusual in that he's one of those amazing fighters who uses Terminator armour sometimes, especially odd in the WS. I guess even meme about First Captains in Termie armour caught up with even the ordu of Jaghatai.
He bought it while fighting Eidolon during the White Scars' retreat to Terra, while cosplaying as the Khan. True to Eidolon's nature as a moron, he didn't notice the bad costume for ages.

Xa was replaced by Jubal Khan, the lord of summer lighting. Jubal refused to be Master of the Keshig, instead taking the title Master of the Hunt. This title still exists in the White Scars today.
Jubal is interesting in that he dueled Sigismund earlier in the narrative, before the Heresy. Though the duel wasn't a walk in the park for Sigismund, Jubal realised during it that he would not beat the Imperial Fist (nor make him laugh) and ceded victory. Jubal was away from the main WS fleet for much of later events and only came back in time for the Heresy to really kick off for the White Scars, so remains a bit of an unknown quantity. Which is fitting.

If there's no scene where Jubal makes Sigismund laugh during the Siege, I will be sad.

>>52546379
Youre thinking of Amit and Kharn. Amit beats Kharn (not a close fight, theyre both sprawled out on the ground and Amit is the first one to get up) and Kharn begs him for death but Amit refuses for a reason I cant remember.

Ok, so I have a bunch of upgrade kits for my night lords. In total, I have 2 full terror squad kits (heads, torsos, shoulders) and 2 if the old silly bat helmet sets, which is 40 shoulders in all. I'm not sure how I should divvy out the shoulder pads, though because I'm magnetizing shit, which is something I hadn't considered when I started. How do I distribute my shit?

>>52547962
>not a close fight
I meant a very close fight

>>52547962
Why did Kharn want death?

>>52548008
Khârn continues to batter me as we fall. He lands atop me, pinning my torso beneath his hips. I cover my face with my arms in a desperate guard. He bludgeons them with fists and elbows in a frenzied attempt to get at my skull. He lands a blow with every beat of my hearts. I roar in frustration, swallowing my every instinct, all of them demanding that I hit back. If I move my arms now, I am dead. He will smash my skull open upon the rock as surely as the suns will bake my blood dry.
I wait while Khârn strikes again and again.
His rage is not coordinated. Left does not follow right in an economy of motion. Right follows right follows right. The gap between strikes lengthens as the favoured limb tires.
Khârn attacks. I wait.
Another blow. More pain. I wait.
A slew of incoherent curses tears from Khârn’s throat. He strikes again. I wait.
He strikes.
I counter.
I hook my left arm over his right and pin it against his body, as I throw my weight up. We roll. This time, I’m on top of him. Khârn hasn’t registered the reversal I have a moment’s clear shot.
I hit him. The blow dents his cheek, breaks my fist, and leaves blood pooling under his skull on the rock. I drop my weight behind an elbow and collapse onto his face. Bone breaks. I ignore the pain in my ribs as he lands a series of wild punches, and grab his head with both hands. I growl, smashing it into the ground.
Khârn lies still. I slump away from him.
I hear the roar of my blood rolling and crashing like a distant wave. It begs me to rise. I cannot.
The words fall from my lips. ‘A draw.’
Cruel laughter rumbles in Khârn’s throat. ‘There can be… no such outcome. Our fight is… not over…’
‘It is for today.’
‘Finish it.’
I ignore him, and close my eyes. I see only Khârn, and the World Eater wears my face.

>>52548070
That was pretty homoerotic.

Thanks anon.

>>52548070
From the same book, the point of view of Azkaellon fighting Lucius

>I remove my helm and feel the rain on my skin. Within a moment my hair is soaked through, slicked to my scalp by the downpour.
‘Where are the rest of your warriors, Azkaellon?’ My opponent gestures to the five Sanguinary Guard that have accompanied me here. Lucius, the greatest blademaster of the III Legion. His features are noble, patrician. Even blasted by the storm, his hair lashing in the wind, he looks as though he had been born to stand there.
Yet any beauty he possesses is ruined by the sneer that stains his face.
‘I am in no need of an audience as grand as yours,’ I reply, indicating the thousand legionaries of the Emperor’s Children stood in serried rank at Lucius’s side of the platform.

Ends with Azkaellon realizing he cannot beat Lucius so instead he lunges at Lucius and knocks him off the dueling platform into the ocean below, losing the duel, but humiliating Lucius in front of his audience.

>>52548108
>brings 1000 dudes to watch his duel

Wow, that fits Lucius so well. Why does he get blown out so much?

>>52548070
>>52548108

Oh I see, so BL actually stands for Boys Love

>>52548138
I see through you, Lucius.’ His face hardens at my words. A ripple of anger ruins the corners of his eyes. ‘Your nonchalance is nothing more than a blade wrapped in silk. You remind me of my brother, Amit. His aggression runs as deep as yours. Though he at least has the courage to embrace it.’
‘The Flesh Tearer?’ Lucius barks. ‘I am nothing like him!’
I ignore Lucius’s protestation. Courage. It surprises me to have given voice to such a thing where Amit’s temper is concerned. Yet my brother would not have suffered this dance. It is my turn to smile as I imagine him fighting this duel, bludgeoning Lucius’s face. I can almost hear the crack of his skull as Amit’s armoured gauntlet batters it. The hammerblows ring out in my mind until my hearts quicken in echo…

>>52548144
It took you this long to realize that a universe full of strictly all male warrior fraternities might be a little homosexual?

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>SW
The Wolves also don't seem to go in for an actual named champion, likely as their pack and top dog mentality don't seem suited to it. Added to this, the whole Russ / Lion duel started the tradition where members of those legions must duel when their forces meet. While the DA send their unit champion, the SW almost always seem to send their unit commander as their man in the ring. Again, top dog mentality. The leader is expected to be the best fighter, and vice versa.

Gunnar Gunnhilt, the Lord Gunn, was their First Captain, and so presumably their best fighter, at least for a time. He died sacrficing himself at Alaxxes so the Rout could escape, his loss considered a bitter blow for the doggies.

However, we really have to mention Bjorn here. While never shown to be a duelist, his elevation from line pleb to the personal confidante of the Russ, being brought along to meetings where he really shouldn't be, and ultimately effectively named Russ' successor, would indicate that we should probably think of ol' grumpy as the SW champion in another way; he best represents what Russ thinks of as the ideal SW values. Bjorn is the soul of the Space Wolves, and so is their champion in more ways than just being good with a blade.
Not that he's a bad fighter. After losing his pack, Bjorn goes lone wolf for a while and becomes a bit of a daemon killer. He even continues the examples of his pappy in another way and duels Magnus the motherfucking Red. While being a dreadnought. Though he was given a plasma cannon for this fight as apparently rending assault cannons had been lost to time even by M32.
Bjorn is also notable for hitting on chicks even while a corpse in a robot suit, being so legendary Grey Knights kneel in his presence, and having the intelligence not to tell the modern Space Wolves that they're a fucking joke.
Rumours that he wants to get gifted to the Blood Ravens are not true dammit.

>>52548138
Lucius' one job is to get btfo

>>52548070
>>52548108
>>52548178

Amit was the best part about Fear to Tread. Hope he gets rules in Angelus.

>>52547211
Binalt, Agapito, and whispercutters are the only good things to come of those books, more or less. Even the cover art for them was garbo.

>>52548108
Which book is it?

>>52548429
Virtues of the Sons. It's really short, not worth the price tag if you're not a BA fan

>>52542169
Tallarn Ironclad has a Contemptor leading a tank mixed armoured company. Apparently he's bitter and angry enough to be lucid. He's so bitter in fact he jumps a bunch of Alpha Legion tank hunters that are their allies in their convoy. Literally " oh you guys go first in the convoy. Because reasons ". Then all of a sudden he tears the back of a Alpha Legion super heavy open and flamers all the AL inside. Then he gets on top of another AL super heavy rips the turret off and let's the crew all burn (the planets been life-eater virused so only tanks and dreads are safe)

>>52547741
>If anyone actually knows who the Iron Warriors champion is,
Beep Boop.

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>IF
Not just a Legion champion, but *the* Legion Champion. The Black Knight 31,000, Sigismund.

Officially undefeated (at least as far as we care in HH), Sigismund took on all comers and sent them home crying. Already we've seen itt that he defeated Alajos, Lucius, and Jubal Khan, and those hits to other legions will keep coming. Name a renowned fighter from another legion and if Sigismund fought him, he beat him...apart from Sevatar, but that's considered a draw (Sev disqualified himself).

There being no-one in the Fists who could stand against the Living Wall, he regularly took vacations to the dueling pits of the World Eaters to find some half-decent opposition, but where he still beat literally everyone. There, he picked up the habit of chaining his weapon to his arm from his main bro Kharn, which would end up being a ritual in the Black Templars still practiced today.

Sigismund's status was when he got made Emperor's Champion and spent the Siege murdering every motherfucker who got in his way. While the numbers of plebs he killed are uncountable, he's reckoned to have defeated two dozen legion champions in combat during the battle. It's notable that he was actively looking for Abaddon during this time, but was never able to find him. Either he got unlucky or Ezekyle knew his ass would be grass and spent the campaign hiding. That's right, the future ooga-booga of the whole setting ran and hid from like a little bitch.

That tale has a presumably sad ending however, as Sigismund and Abaddon would eventually meet a thousand years later, and while we don't know what happens yet, Abaddon is still alive and no-one's seen Sig after it. Of course by this time Sigismund would have been at least 1200 years old, and Abaddon only chose to fight him after getting powered up in the warp and probably getting his fucking daemon sword that's able to kill the Emperor. I guess if you wanted to fight Sig, you'd best get hold of a blade that could kill a god.

Is there a reason forgeworld doesn't sell Dreadclaw bits as an upgrade set rather than the whole package? I would love to just buy the claw parts.

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>>52548144
Yes.

Things you want to happen when BL finally reach Terra. I'll start.

> Hibou Khan finishes off Little Horus

>>52548697
Chris Wraight takes over the series.

>>52548605
>and while we don't know what happens yet, Abaddon is still alive and no-one's seen Sig after it.
Protip: Sigismund grew a top knot after the fight.

>>52548697
William King writes the book that features Horus vs Emps.

Loken is there when Horus kills the Emperor.

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>NL
Drizzt, Wolverine, every fanfic character made by a 14 year old rolled into one, it's 'Don't call me Jago' Jago Sevatarion.

Sev's main claim to fame is that he dueled with Sigismund for TWENTY HOURS before getting bored and throwing the fight. I couldn't even sleep for that long much less fight a swordsman with a chainglaive. That chainglaive, by the way, has a teleport homer built into it, because even the best NL single-combat fighter likes stacking the deck.

Sig has the Dark Angel champion's head to his name, as well as other cringe bullshit like being the guy who came up with Death to the False Emperor. Sigismund inventing There is Only War shows who really won that battle.

Like Sig, apart from that draw, Sev has an undefeated record...where dueling is concerned. He ultimately lost to his own primarch, when, for some reason, he decided to go back up Curze when the Night Haunter launched a suicidal teleport attack on the DA flagship. Missing the teleport jump, Sev arrived to the party by surfing over on the back of a void fighter. Because of course he did. Despite being the second-best legion champion and fighting back to back with a Primarch, Sev ended up captured by the Dark Angels. Maybe he got bored again.

Abandoned in Dark Angel gaol, Sevatar was finally truly defeated by a little girl.

>>52548810
If you've ever read ABD's posts on Bolter and Chainsword, you'd know how much he despises Drizzt and any assertion that any of his characters is a Mary Sue and will respond in kind.

I'll try and find one of said posts.

>>52548697
I think it will be Loken. Implied in Aximand's dream and Loken revenging/freeing Torgaddon.

Why is Drachnyen so special again?

>>52548836
And here's one of those.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/291214-ravenlord/?p=3693617

>>52548853
Because ADB said so.

>>52548853
Because it was the daemon spawned from mankind's first act of murder.

>>52548859
And another. Drizzt is his trigger. Mention Drizzt and he goes full on.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/311089-new-hh-short-story-massacre/?p=4124511

>>52543194
I give my Raven Wing Praetor a PF, rad grenades, and the other usual fixins, because sometimes people are insisting on a fisting

>>52548697
Sigismund kills kharn and teams up with Sanguinius to skullfuck chaos.

>>52542169
The Glorious Tomb - Black Templars arrive at Armageddon. This one's strictly from an entombed brother's perspective.
Slightly less so are The First Prince (Ctesias of KSons) and Parting of the Ways (Bjorn gets entombed, but it's also about the Russ' departure fro the chapter).
All three are parts of the Echoes of War audio dramas and are complete with background sounds etc. If you can't find them chime back here, I'll upload them.

>>52543457
>>52543501
Since BA are a jump pack legion, they're absolutely getting a special jump infantry.

>>52542967
I play IW, mix of purist in that everyone in my army is MKIII or no MK, but also 3rd party bionic parts are just dandy

So, everyone always compares night lords to raven guard, but who are the edgelords real "rival" legion? Fists? Dangles?

>>52546889
He did some shit at Isstvan V.

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>BA
These guys are interesting, in that they legit have like 3 (or 4) effective legion champs.

Azkaellon is the Primarch's bodyguard and equerry rolled into one, like Alajos and Corswain for the DA. He's even kind of an organizer, like Forrix of the IW. Truly, Blood Angels are Renaissance Men. As shown earlier, Az took on Lucius and did a semi-Loken, losing the duel but making Lucius feel like a dickhead. Respect.
Az is so baller he drew on the Lion and engaged Curze, but found himself harmlessly defeated by the Night Haunter.

Amit is the opposite of Az, being a Kharn/Kroeger style brawler, with a bit of Sev in him as well. Starting out in the fiction as just the angry 5th Captain who foreshadowed the Flesh Tearers, he became a bit of a pet under big Andy Smilie and his status as a champion was established when Sang was considering who was his best son. Turns out the BA have a final level boss fight version of the Blood Games, at which Az and Amit always draw. Bored of the same result, Sang ordered them to go and git gud. This led to Amit fighting Kharn in the above romantic fiction. While Kharn habitually threw his duels in order to not murderize his opponent like an animal (including with Sig), Amit actually fought the Assault Captain to a legitimate draw by tanking him until the perfect moment. Respect.

The last champion is the Sanguinor. A member of Azkaellon's posse who gets Deathshrouded, this is a new development and we haven't seen him fight anyone yet. However, as Sanguinius' literal proxy, the Sanguinor has to be counted as a technical champion, and the future legacy of that role makes it clear that some shit is going to go down.

While we haven't really seen the BA do some wicked cool dueling shit, it's hard to believe they don't have it in them.

>>52548810
>I couldn't even sleep for that long
People who never went to college are always such amateurs.

>>52545177
>>52545219
>>52545242
Corswain kills Cypher during the Fall of Caliban. It's in one of the 40k books.

>>52542967
I'm not an autistic circlejerking faggot nigger so I don't care.

>>52548853
Because the sword (and daemon empowering it) rends reality apart.

Which somehow means it gets worse in every edition. Seriously, in the first 3e codex Drach'nyen auto-wounded, auto-penetrated, and instant-deathed.

>>52542967
>[x]I play night lords and don't give a shit

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>IH
Another championless legion, as far as we know. I guess they think dueling is a waste of time?

Gabriel Santar was the First Captain and leader of their elite unit, and he got effortlessly BTFO by Julius Kaesoron, who was maaaybe the 3rd best Emperor's Children.

In the Bjorn-mold of champion, we should recognize Shadrak bloody Meduson, who is doing his best to keep the fires of the Iron Hands burning, by being a right bloody pain in the arse to the Sons of Horus. He organized a decapitation strike on the traitor leadership that came a ballhair away from taking out 3 primarchs, so while we've drifted completely away from single combat here, he's still worth mentioning.

Of course, it turned out Meduson was actually quite tasty in single combat because he was Alpharius.

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>>52549274
>tfw too intelligent to not duel your own subordinates over "slights" to your honour

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>>52548605
>that filename

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I think I fucked up the pose, lads.

The arms are just held in with blue-tac, but repositioning them leads to some Red Butcher-tier flailing.

>>52549432
Dude you have cool resin contemptor legs and yet you managed to make him look like the BaC retarded dread. This is sad

>>52549432
>lean back
>lean back

>>52547398
Add
>"Snake" Stranski as another HQ
>Maximillian Weisemann in a Baneblade as a LoW
13 Characters

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>WE
So here's a thing. By several standards the World Eater champion could be said to be Delvarus.
Undefeated in the gladiator pits (by other WE), he once took on like 40 dudes in a row, who were doing a World Eater marine corps hazing equivalent, and put them all on their asses. Leader of the Triarii (the WE anti-boarding troops), he had a bad habit of leaving the ship he was supposed to be protecting because fuck waiting to be bloody boarded. Achieved fame itt by being the guy some woman shoots at. A woman. Must've been on the rag amirite?

Of course, we all know the real champion is Kharn. Unexpectedly revealed to be a clever, urbane man of good taste, who made friends easily and homoerotic relationships even easier, Kharn has a terrible record in his legion's duels and only has mad respect because he's literally the only the guy Angron listens to. Yeah. Guy. As in man. Like, Angron also listens to That Woman. What the fuck is that about hey my bros?

Kharn has an interesting foible where he basically chooses to lose most of his duels in the pits. Two reasons given: He doesn't take them seriously as they aren't real, and he's also aware that he already berserker rages out and is liable to kill his opponent if he actually fights properly. So, defeating Kharn in a duel is actually no sign of being good. Unless you're Sigismund or Amit, for earlier shown reasons. Loken manages to score a win on him, but by doing a Loken; Kharn is actually beaten by a Rhino's dozer blade.

The one time he took the pits seriously, Kharn defeated Erebus quicker than Erebus sunk that dagger into Argel Tal's back. Like, it was such a blow out it wasn't even embarrassing, it was just sad.

Kharn would achieve lasting immortality by reputedly being the first man over the walls of the Imperial Palace, and for killing so, so many people that Khorne wouldn't stand for him dying. This is the mortal representative of the god of killing we're now talking about here.
Heck of a guy.

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>Curze murdering a bunch of gangsters and rapists in one city scares the entire planet so much that they all stop committing crime

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I love the idea of Hoplites in Space
So to differentiate my paragon blade + shield companions from the other custards a bit my plan is to have them armed with shield and spear and cut off the bolters
If this is just retardation let me know

>>52545003
>Warders of The Vaults Of Rython

My niggah

>>52549522
I am convinced that this should be a thing.

Trying to build a 3000 points fluffy shattered legion list with meduson. It's a bad list but I'm ~forging a narrative~.

3000 pts
After Istvaan

HQ: Meduson, attached to immortals

Elites: 15 medusan immortals. everyone has a volkite charger, sgt has power fist, meltabomb, and artificer armor
Spartan with flare shield and armored ceramite

5 firedrakes. 2 have chainfist + SS, 1 has power fist + SS, one has heavy flamer + power fist, sgt has master crafted thunder hammer + SS
Dreadclaw transport

Troops:
Legion assault squad (raven guard)
10-man squad, 2 have power axes, sgt has artificer armor, meltabomb, raven's talons

Tactical squad (iron hands)
10-man tac squad, sgt has combi-plas and artificer armor, rhino with multimelta

Veteran tactical squad (raven guard)
10-man squad, marksmen, 2 volkite chargers, 3 combi plasmas, sgt has artificer armor and combi-plasma
Darkwing storm eagle transport

Heavy support:
Sicaran venator

5 pyroclasts in a land raider phobos

>>52549060
Probably the MOST LOYAL legion. Lion really hates Curze.

>>52549466
I'll lean him forward a bit tomorow.

>>52549457
It is. I'd originally planned on spacing out the legs more, but everything got squashed up when i was sticking him on the base. I'll have to take another crack at it later.

>>52549584
May the blood god give you patience, give it some time and you'll probably be able to fix it

>>52549552
Do whatever you want senpai
Btw, were the companions wearing black at this point or was that later? Because I remember seeing black custoses in inferno

Can anyone hook a brother up with the Primarch series audiobooks? 6h drive for the MKA course today and need some good shit

>>52549484
What about the Ultrasmurfs?

>>52549975
Audiobookbay, use a random one minute mail if you're paranoid. I'd upload it for you, but it would not be uploaded today.

>>52545026
Loken ?

>>52545026
>shard of Magnus inside a TS

da fuq???

Also Sev as a GK founder hints are all over the place. ADB says the first captain of the VIII brotherhood (NL are the VIII Legion ffs) is called Khyron which is a close aproximation to Chiroptera, which is the scientific name of fucking BATS. And also he uses a power glaive and this is written under his statue:

"Already, you exalt me for my triumphs,
When I ask only that you remember me for my treacheries.
Victory is nothing more than survival.
It carries no weight of honor or worth beyond what we ascribe to it.
If you wish to grow wise, learn why brothers betray brothers."

I mean, come on!

>>52550038
thanks anon!

>>52541936
>only 299 names
What a bitch, Valdor got 1200.

>>52548281
The three main BA guys should all get rules.

Raldoron should be a mediocre combat character but with amazing buffs, think a Ld10 Centurion with a power sword but provides army wide +1 LD and can pick a WL trait or something.

Azkaelon is a straight up challenge monster, WS7 or I6 with a master crafted Blade of Perdition, preferred enemy in a challenge or something.

Amit's only defining characteristic is a shit load of attacks, rage/rampage, furious charge, maybe some special rule called 'Flesh Tearer' where he gets an extra attack for every successful wound.

>>52547054
>AP3
>3+ save
>good

>>52546480
Aww, thanks. To be fair, I kind of cheat, since the Mechanicum has so much random shit hanging around I just have to vaguely match dimensions, and we have way less lore to restrict my ideas. I can't even remember one Genetor/Biologis character who actually did shit. Also at the scale the whale project is I can easily fudge some details since it's not like people will struggle to draw LoS to the 50cm giant floating whale.
May have to make do with a smaller model and do some big smoke plumes coming out of the tail engines to make up size, though, unless someone knows a way to make a cardboard model into something actually usable.

>>52550828
>implying FW won't pick two of those and make up some OC

>>52550888
Also got kind of sidetracked by Shadow War: Armageddon so I'll be back to it once my magnetized Skitarii squad for that is done. Never played old Necromunda, but this is great fun.

Also, WOW the number of magnets you need inflates fast. 10 for a basic guy, 2 or 3 for each extra weapon option, one for each head and four for the Arquebus guy switching bases, and for every grenade or similar going on the belts.

>>52550500
Are there any BL authors left that aren't trying to hamfist one of their favorite characters into being a founder of the GK ?

>>52551024
Next is ADB telling us Abaddon was one of them

>>52551089
More like Horus not actually dieing but being Janus, first and best supreme grand master of the GK :^)

>>52545026
A Dark Angels ex-blackshield lord

>>52551166
Not a psyker.

>>52551171
half the damn theorised founders so far aren't psykers

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Is this too much for 30k? I never know.

>>52545343
Just before the thread dies:

- The Reaping gives every model Move Through Cover, so drop your dozer blades

- Mortarion believed a well-equipped Space Marine was the most dangerous weapon in the galaxy, drop a quad mortar and give the tactical blobs bolters and CCW

- You're really thin on anti tank. Majorly thin. You've got more than enough anti personnel fire in there, consider giving some guys something heavier than an autocannon and sticking the Siege Breaker with them for tank hunting, or giving one of your Vindicators an LDA

>>52551235
Yeah the wings are too much, consider a regular jump pack.

>>52551257

I wasn't even planning on using them as a jump pack for 30k but rather just decoration. However, totally a jump pack lord for 40k.