Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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For Guilliman's Xenos wife

When can we expect full pictures of DG miniatures?

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For Gulliman and Cawl's secret project on Mars

>The local population of one of the smaller, less known worlds of Ultramar celebrating the return of their primarch

https://youtu.be/zDKcevMFUCo?t=15

If we were to get a new faction or species what would you want it to be? Personally I think those crystal xenos the EC fought on Tranquility would be cool

>>52521375
>wife
Is this canon now? I have been out of 40k for some years.

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>>52521348
WHERE DID THE BLACK LIBRARY GO

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2/20 grots painted, what are you doing this evening /tg/?

>>52521412
Is that supposed to be the next dank Duncan?

>>52521421
>Is this canon now?
in the business it's what we call a forced meme

>>52521421
It's just shipping faggotry.

She revived him with her Eldar magic and they worked together to get Guilliman to Terra and was present at his "coronation".

When she was about to leave, he asked her if she wouldn't work together with the Imperium in the future and that he enjoyed the Eldar help and would like to keep good relations with them and make an alliance, but she told him that neither of their races is ready for that yet and that her priority is to first get the Eldar back into shape before doing anything along those lines and that the Imperium also needs fixing.

>>52521342
Still not entirely sold on the War Convo, I'm just not sure having almost the minimum of every unit but with as much wargear as possible on them is advisable. You can get like 1000 points of free stuff but a majority wouldn't be advisable to take in the first place nor will it get within range to matter

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>>52521348
The various mega pages don't seem to contain the main rulebook in epub ( http://www.warhammerdigital.com/warhammer-40000/rules-supplements/40k-rules-digital.html ). If anyone had it on hand I'd be extremely grateful!

>>52521438
Nothing /tg/ related because I'm a lazy fucktard and will probably binge watch this entire 'Kemono Friends' anime people have been praising all season long.

>>52521430
>I can't be bothered to check the mega links in the OP
kys

Can't download anything from the mega, stuck on initializing

>>52521487
That would work if the link was fucking there.

>>52521458
wasn't even that, man

he asked if the eldar would join them on the road to earth
they said no
then he said "okay, I guess I won't torture you for more information"

>>52521375
FUTURE QUEEN OF THE IMPERIUM!

>>52521459
It's not a coincidence that every single AdMech list placing high in any tourney ran it, anon. You can kit out both Skitarii squads to 10 guys, keep the Sicarians at minimum because that's their optimum anyway and then just take as many Cult Mechanicus units as you see fit and dump any additional points into more Dunecrawlers, Sidonians/Ironstriders, evne another Knight or an attached CAD with Cawl and Skitarii to unlock the Cawl relics for your entire army, all of them even being for free if taken in a unit that's part of the WarConvo.

The benefits it gives are absolutely retarded. Hell, you can even take those Haemantrope Reactors or whatever they are called to make all of those Assault 3 Plasma guns into Blast Assault 3 without Gets Hot and upgrade the Heavy Plasma Cannons into Large Blast Heavy 2 weapons. It allows for a ton of internal adjustments to suit your playstyle and brings some of the strongest Formation rules in the entire game by simply removing the two huge balancing factors that AdMech had in place to keep them fair, that being very expensive gear and their best weapons having Gets Hot. You don't even lose the ability to Scout your Skitarii forward and your Onagers gain a 12" Ld 10 bubble.

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I am painting some IF cataphractii, which color scheme should I go with? I plan to use them in the first company veterans formation eventually. I can either do the yellow with black accents, or the black with yellow accents. They are essentially inverted.

Also, this is the first list I plan to use them on; what do you think?

>>52521561
Post Imperial guilt edition.

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>>52521608
For reference on the colors

>>52521566
>you can even take those Haemantrope Reactors or whatever they are called to make all of those Assault 3 Plasma guns into Blast Assault 3 without Gets Hot and upgrade the Heavy Plasma Cannons into Large Blast Heavy 2 weapons.

Only works if they're got no long range fire power. Otherwise your new super plasma weapons are 18" and 24" and they'll just pick them off at long range.

Anyone have a Scars ePub? The one in the MEGA seems to be broke

>>52521545
That's literally what he said>>52521458
It'll happen eventually

>>52521639
MEGA seems to be all kinds of broke at the moment.

>>52521635
The left one, more characteristic.

The right ones look almost as black templars.

>>52521696
except they didn't help get guilliman to terra

she and her scooby gang left the plot at ultramar

>>52521566
I understand what you mean and I understand it's being taken at tourneys but what I don't see is how minimum infiltrators, ruststalkers, balistarii and onagers are worth it over a more focused list that welcomes assault moreso than units designed to take them.
I'm left with 2 infantry squads, minimum flimsy elite choices, more open topped walkers than I need and an onager that's made entirely pointless by kataphrons gifted with skyfire

Like if Skitarii/Cult Mech weren't already great without wargear I'd find it much more beneficial but what they do get in wargear doesn't increase survivability whatsoever aside from squad leaders/IC with invulns
And lets be fair, the War Convo would be ALOT better if plasma kataphrons were EVER taken over grav. Kataphrons are seemingly the unit to make a list around.

>>52521561
Feels fucking good man

>>52521728
Thanks; I am really on the fence, literally one person replying is all it takes to push me one way or the other.

>>52521458
Did they at least kiss?

>>52521538
why don't you see if it's in one of the four mega dumps before you start sperging out?

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With are better?
Oldcorons or new crons?

So what are cool colour schemes for dark eldar?

>>52521438
I'm totally gunna start painting those guardsmen I swear!

>>52521776
Oldcrons, Pariahs gave us all the personality we needed.

>>52521776

Newcrons are better, sorry not sorry

>>52521438
Trying to convert a drop pod into a dreadclaw.

>>52521801
but they were total shit to field. Their lore was great, but thats it.

New crons are better in every ways. Only sad thing is that they took out pariahs instead of revamping them. But good riddance old boring generic stuff. Hello flavor.

>>52521438
3/20

A-Almost there!

>>52521776
Newcrons, thoufh is argue they both went too far and not far enough. They should have still had some dynasties whose anti-c'tan stuff failed and ended up with what was effectively oldcrons, as well as more examples of variance between dynasties aside from quirky overlords.

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>>52521636
It's still a possibility to do if you feel like giving it a try and obviously not anything a meta list would do.

>>52521742
You don't need a metric assload of bodies for AdMech to work. Cult Mechanicus is a ridiculously elite army, Sicarians are also Elite units for a reason and you'd never, ever consider taking more than 5 per unit anyway.
Assuming you take a Knight Crusader and max-size Vanguard and Ranger squads, that leaves you at 1540 points, 310 points left to spare for other things. You can easily attach something like another CAD with Cawl or even a Holy Requisitioner if you cut some corners on the Skitarii and the Knight. Your army will have such immense firepower and so many additional free tools to work with that your lower headcount won't be an issue. The results of those competitive lists don't lie. People try other lists from time to time and fail because all that free Wargear is just too good. Free things are a game breaking concept and should never have existed. Same reason Gladius Space Marines are broken as all fuck while Skyhammer, despite being just as retarded of a Formation, can't consistently win and doesn't really do anything in the competitive scene.

You are also severely underestimating the fact that EVERYTHING gets Canticles of the Omnissiah and, if you take Cawl, Canticles of the Archmagos. That means giving your entire army Stealth AND Shrouded for 2 turns and another full turn of 4++ saves for everyone. Hell, you can even pump your Skitarii up to freaking BS 10. And that's ignoring the other stuff that'll obviously be useful like re-rolling shooting if you want to save your Doctrines or the various melee bonuses.

Pic related gives you a good amount of bodies on your board and all the stupid shit Cawl allows you to do, for example. It's definitely good enough to consistently compete.

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>>52521801
Newcrons are the best. They can finally have some personality instead of being another faceless doom like the tyranids.

How would people rate the Armoured Shield formation from the Guard start collecting box? Being able to bunker down around a tank like that seems really nice. Would it be a decent idea to base a small force around multiple of those formations?

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>>52521776

Better at what?

Rules wise?
Newcrons obviously. The power creep is real between 3ed and 7ed.
Just looking at the space marine codexes over time shows obvious power creep.

Lore/fluff wise?
Oldcrons imo.
The less we knew about them, the more interesting they were.
Now, they're just mustache twirling villains and seem like a joke.
Oldcrons were a big menacing threat, and the old c'tan was a lot more interesting than being glorified pokemon.
The old rules were more interesting fluff-wise too.
People complain oldcrons were boring.
They never read the codex anyway, so I don't really care what they think.

>>52521438
the frag cannon watchmember

might put it off till tomorrow, though

>>52521776
>plastic immortals
>plastic tomb spider
newcrons

bendy gauss blasters can go fuck themselves
full metal models stuck on easily breakable flying stands can go double fuck themselves

>>52521964
This, by far the lore of the Oldcrons has much better

>>52522017

I like a lot of the new models.
But flayed ones are ridiculous, and I kinda wish they kept spyders the same, instead of how they look now.
Same with wraiths.
They really need to update the monlith model imo.
The kit is the exact same one since 3ed, and it's kind of a bitch to assemble.

>>52521964
>The less we knew about them, the more interesting they were.
I guess this applies to entire 40k. Discovering secrets of the universe is making it's less interesting, especially when "secret" it's now super retarded.

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I want dark eldar wyches to take me and rape me I want them to over power me and make me call them mommy

>>52522069

Very true in a lot of cases.
Good point anon.

As someone who typically plays assault based armies, and is well known for being all about axe to face action, how much do you think it would shit people up if I showed up to a tournament next month with 1500 points of dakka knights?

>>52522064
>Same with wraiths.
I can agree with flayed ones being ridiculous, but making more robot models to go along with scarabs was a good idea.

And the "snakemencrons" looked retarded.

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So I'm starting to assemble a small number of Salamanders and I wanted to do something different than the usual SM flamer. So my question is, did anyone here tried assembling a Tactical Marine with the Imperial Guard flamer and backpack ? The biggest problem I'm predicting is modeling the SM arms which usually hold the gun in front of the chest to match this carry.

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>>52521438
Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I stopped being dead, held aloft my dad's magic sword, and said BY THE POWER OF TERRA

Calgar became the mighty Master of Macragge and I became Lord Commander of the Imperium! THE MOST POWERFUL MAN IN THE UNIVERSE!

Only three people share this secret- our friends: the Eldar Sorceress, Living-Saint, and Cawl!

Together we defend Terra from THE EVIL FORCES OF ABADDON.

>>52522115

I guess I just wish I still had the option to buy some of the old models.
A plastic old school spyer would be tits.

>>52522079
>forbidden lore (xenos) roll with 4+ degrees of failure

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So, I was looking at getting a min sized IG CAD with Creed allied to my admech to give me infiltrate on something like vanguard or maybe dragoons, or even a melee knight. Is there anyone else who can give me that, with infiltrate for more units?

>>52521944
It's alright, but the problem is you typically want to make blobs of tanks and blobs of guard. 10 Guardsmen die really easily by themselves since they don't have the firepower that a larger blob does to defend themselves. 50 Guardsmen die just as easily as 5 sets of 10 do, but it's a pretty bad idea to stand in front of a huge blob with heavy weapons out the ass
No matter how awesome your unit is, 45 lasguns and 5 autocannons will fuck it up, especially with orders.

Can you take variants with the formation? I can't remember. It might be worth it if you have an expensive executioner with plasma sponsons and other wargear to make it harder to kill and difficult to assault.

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>>52522135
what about howling banshees?

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>>52522138
Cypher.

>>52522134
They'll run a made to order for crons at some point. Gdubs doesn't throw out anything ever.

>>52522153
Well, you'll get a swift death at least.

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>>52522180
>getting killed slowly by a hot dom
>getting killed fast by a hot dom
well it could be worse right

>>52522079
Same, but I'd rather have my Wyches not be shit on table top

>>52522146
I think you can take variants, though I'm mostly working out ideas for how I want to build the army.

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>>52522171
sorry, not seeing anything similar to the Tactical Genius rule here. am I an idiot?

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Pls some critique, I'm pretty happy with it for comp.
Also vindicatpr prices are 5 points over what says in the codex each, so the list is 1850

Is the Castellans of the Imperium any good at 1000 points? I really want to build a crusade army.

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>>52522254
yeah id love to have a bigger proportion of wyches in my dark eldar army but oh well glad I have new waifu yvraine. in my headcanon my archon was born from a one night stand between lelith and a random archon
>lelith hesprex is my arcons literal mother hot

>>52522235
PUT SOME SHOES ON YOU WHORE

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>>52522358
foot fetish intensifies

>>52522064
Flayed ones may be the worst looking models in the game.

>>52521909
You're missing a dragoon there but I understand now.

>>52522138
Master of Ambush Warlord Trait can't Infiltrate vehicles.

>>52522235
>Still no rule 34

suffering

>>52522389

The individual models run the gamut of "okay" to "what the absolute fuck"
Taken as whole, I'd probably agree with you.
Individually? Without question the worst.

>>52521776
Newcrons are meh, but oldcrons were just metal nids plus the worst Mary Sue background ever (aka look at everything - Necrons did it).

I do really miss the old units though. The background to Wraiths and Flayed ones used to be so much better (as well as the models for flayed ones, the new ones are trash), and the Pariahs were a great idea with bad models. I really wish Pariahs would make a come back to be honest.

>>52522414
Did you ever actually read your codex?

This kind of shit is why the online list builder was a mistake.

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>>52522439
I agree yvraine is a hot mama

>>52522519
Oh hey is that a Distraction Carnifex?

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>>52522414
>>52522548
>I can't fucking read

>>52522548
Link to list?

>>52522567
>>52522516
You're right, my bad
I'm an idiot I guess.

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Someone got their Z order today

Frankly, I'm rather impressed. I paid $24 instead of $118 for it, so I figured if it's shit, I get some cheap terrain. The main problems people were having like mold slips in the engines were non-existent. There are few melty spots, but at first inspection, I'd give it an 8.5. The pilot chair is a little fucked, but no one will be able to see it, and the landing gear extension is warped to shit, but I'm not even going to use it.

What impressed me most was the body/fuselage. It's solid, straight, and looks great. The only spot is the tail nub is weak and has a melty spot, which is nothing.

>>52522606
Man, I'll have to bite the bullet eventually for chinaman once Castellax and the transports are available in 40k for my AdMech. No way am I gonna spend a few hundreds of dollars to expand my force with a bunch of cool looking support units.

>>52522606
>he pilot chair is a little fucked, but no one will be able to see it, and the landing gear extension is warped to shit, but I'm not even going to use it.
>BETTER QUALITY THAN THE ORIGINAL

>What impressed me most was the body/fuselage. It's solid, straight, and looks great.

So you mean the shit you could have simply straightened out yourself.

You get what you pay for. I just hate how you either get complete garbage with recasts, or pay way too much for FW, AND you have to fix the problems that FW also have like mold lines, slips, rebending, etc.

I would rather dunk a chunk of resin in hot water and bend it than settle for completely marred details that are unusable from a recast. But I don't trust FW to give me a perfectly salvageable model from that era either. Their older models are all shit because they don't replace the molds.

I'd kinda feel like a scumbag fielding the Convocation so I guess I'll just stick with my shitty meme list. Oh well.

What in your opinion is the worst revealed secret of 40k (or 30k)?

>>52522747
Emps beeing an asshole I guess

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The title expresses my innermost feelings.
Though, to be fair, I'm not sure if that Warlord Trait limitation is actually a downside or not if I nominate the Peltast Alpha, considering he'd get MC for his 3-in-1 weapon, meaning his full gear would be MC, effectively.

Would also mean I could save myself a bunch of points by cutting the 10-man blob down a bit and spreading them out more, since 9 PlasCal shots without any re-roll aside from Doctrines is dangerous as fuck.

Huh.

>>52522747
just.. 30k

Everything surrounding magnus, horus, the nature of the heresy, and chaos in general. It's baaaaaad.

>>52522691

Did I say better quality than the original? No, I said I am very impressed especially for Z of all people, and that it didn't have any of the normal problems I'd read about with recast avengers. Namely, most of them had mold slips on the engine. The shit that IS bad is largely ignorable. You literally can't see the problems with the pilot chair while he's sitting in it, and on top of that, hell be under the canopy. The landing gear extension is also 100% optional as per the forgeworld instructions, though if I had another foot pad, I'd love to magnetize it.

>>52522807
>secret
Was there ever any doubt about that though? I always figured that he must've been a pretty cold-hearted asshole to get humanity that far.

>>52522836
actually I'd forgotten about perpetuals and drachnyen being the first murder turned into a daemon and also stronger than the emperor

those are also pretty damn bad

>>52522389
>What is the biovore

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>>52522836
>>52522876
Well you literally pointed entire BL Horus Heresy series.

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What is the most newbie-friendly and forgiving faction in 40k?
Hard-mode - no Necrons

Is there a better way to start collecting 40k models besides the various starter kits GW offers?

>>52522823
>Running Peltasts in 10 man squads
>Lose your 'Fuck you, your bolters are now lasguns' field after a single wound is sustained

This is why you shouldn't do drugs kids.

>>52522943
a noob by myself, but I guess that would be Space Marines and Eldar then.
Especially the Grey Knights.

>>52522896

At least when I first saw the biovore, I believed it was an actual GW model, and not something that a guy kitbashed to make intentionally terrible as a joke.

>>52522946
eBay but start collecting and armoured assault are really decent deals

>Any Chaos marine model can swap a boltgun for a space marine shotgun
>Chosen can purchase a deathwatch shotgun in place of the standard special weapons for 3 points

Would these be fair house rules?

Looking for a fanfiction story I swear I saw shared here, all about a young child being adopted by the Eldar.

Like a dimwitted fool I didn't save it at the time and my mind is becoming increasingly obsessed finding this thing. Help pls, pretty please with grated Tau cheese?

>>52522898
>Capping someone's autistic ranting like it's a valuable post

>>52522807
Him being an asshole was never really a question, just them elaborating on it was what fucked it up.

>>52522943
Muhreens.

>>52522845
>Did I say better quality than the original? No

Lurk more newfag

>>52522996
Pretty much this and look for sprues from the recent GW boardgames.

>>52522943
Eldar. Scat bikes, fire prisms, and wraithknights are all things that make your enemy miserable. The strategy is to stay really far back in deployment, because if the enemy gets turn 1 they have to come to you. If you get turn 1 you can just move everything in your army up 12 inches and murder the enemy team. Or leave the fire prisms where they are, 60 inch range and all.

The only way turn 2 gets anything done for them is if the dice gods hate you. Or if you're dealing with genestealers or marine pod spam.

>>52522984
Google "custom biovore"
Literally anything you'll find will be better than the official one

>>52523049
I heard a guy talking about his Black Templar Centurions and how they ate this Eldar player. Sounds fun.

>>52523087

I don't disagree with you.
It is terrible.
But the flayed ones honestly look like intentionally bad joke models, except like 1 of them.

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>>52522896
Flesh hounds just might edge out on the worst model appearance list. I've never met a single person who didn't proxy them.

>>52522996
>>52523046
So basically, don't buy from GW's store if possible?
>>52523114
>Dinosaur Doggos
I think they look rad as fuck.

>>52523114
I think they look awesome, except the ones with the frills under their faces, that looks stupid.

So is it too early to start looking for Shadow War advice, or is the rules similar enough to Necromunda to start getting ideas?

>>52523143
They're a cool concept but they're just fucking silly looking to me. Wonky proportions, no uniformity to design between hounds, bad posing, and those frills look retarded on them because half of them just drag on the fucking ground like dish rags.

>>52523089
Skyhammer Annihilation Force. Two units of devastators in drop pods with two units of assault marines with jump packs. All deep strike in on turn 1, devastators have relentless, assaults can charge out of deep strike. Anything shot at by devastators has to take a pinning test at 3d6 and even if they pass they can't take overwatch. There's also a bunch of rerolls for the assaults.

It's a great counter to things like eldar or tau since it puts a lot of pressure on them before they can just pick half an army off. It also makes you a giant cock but so do a lot of things in 40k.

>>52523143
>So basically, don't buy from GW's store if possible?
My LGSs are selling GW shit with 20% discount which is something normal for me. Don't really see a point of buying at GW site

>>52523190
The proportions are kinda off, aren't they?

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>>52523114

> Shitty converted Dire Wolves again
Third party brah

>>52523143
Yeah, buying from third parties saves you up to 25% off retail price. Google web stores that sell GW product. Basically just shop around.

>>52523114
People don't pass them up because they're ugly they pass them up because they're like $25 USD for 5

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>>52523211

>>52523211
>I've never met a single person who didn't proxy them.
Those Barghests look sick though.

>>52523218
also monopose
and in resin now (I think)

plastic khornedogs would be something I'd buy, if only to convert into lizardmen salamanders

>>52523114
You never see them because they're expensive as fuck, everyone just buys other dog models and paints them red.

>>52523114
I just want them to be updated in plastic to look like the new one on the AoS guy

>>52523198
Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of a LGS. Wish I did though.

Still, eBay and Amazon do seem like my best bet for slightly less expensive 40k models. And I've already got tools, but no paints.

Speaking of, on GW's website, they have a little Space Marine starter kit that has three models and a full set of Ultramarines colors. 50 bucks though, and I don't know if that's a good deal or not.

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Is start collecting box + cadian armoured fist a good way to start IG army? What should I buy next? Is it possible to keep an IG army on budget? Want to play KT, SWA and 1000 pts games

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>>52523218

Try doubling that.

>>52523251
>they have a little Space Marine starter kit
Nononono don't do it. It was my greatest mistake ever. These paint are 3ml tiny shits. Buy only normal-sized pots mate. What faction would you like to start?

>>52523253
For 1k, KT, and SWA? Should be easy enough to keep at a budget. I don't know enough to rate that as a start tho.

>>52523260
That feels wrong, especially since I bought a pack of chaos warhounds for like $20 to proxy and now looking on GW at those they're the same price as the flesh hounds. They must have changed the pricing very recently on both of them.

>>52523253
I'm buying the pack with troops and a chimera. I'm planning on getting the Start collecting set later on.

>>52523299
Woops - website defaulted to strayabucks. Warhounds are still $25, god bless.

>>52523227
I've been looking for a sick Xeno panther for a while now. Thanks anon!

>>52523260
>50 dollarydoos
Jesus Christ
>>52523280
That's all the paint that comes with that set? I certainly won't be buying it then.

As for faction, probably Spess Mehreens. Their models seem the most retard proof.

>>52523327
What kinda muhreens you wanna do? There's tons of different chapters with their own color schemes and battle tactics.

>>52523327
Unless you want to paint the checkerboard successor chapters.

>>52521708
same here

>>52523253
I'm nervous about starting an IG army, I've got this suspicion they're going to change them in 8th since Cadia got squatted and the models are officially Cadian.

>>52523253
>What should I buy next?
Command HQ. That should take you to around 600 points, depending on your upgrades. It also means you have 2 troops choices and an HQ.

Following that, whatever takes your fancy and gets you to 1k.

>>52523342
I'm partial to the Space Wolves and the Salamanders. Don't know a lot about how they play on the tabletop, never really looked it up.

To be honest, most of my interest in 40k comes from the fluff rather than the tabletop game. I would like to get into the game though.

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>>52523360

What do you mean change them? Please no memes about plastic steel legion.

>>52523360
They'll still stick around. They're featured in that big Imperium poster as Cadians and it was stated several times that the Cadians are still alive and kicking, even if their planet fell.

>>52523368
Leman Russ/ Wyvern artillery tanks.

Command squad.

Heavy Weapons team.

Any of the above. Look up formations you think would be fun to play from the codex.

>>52523402
Same here man. It's why I'm doing Orks no matter what everyone else says.

>>52523010
Who's nuts/ boobies need an itchy scratch to get some help?

>>52523409
>>52523418
My gut is telling me there'll be new IG minis if I buy the Cadians. My gut usually knows what it's talking about, it does it's research.

>>52523327
>>52523402
If you don't want to run dank angels then go with start collecting + skyhammer tactical squad/skyhammer wolf pack. Pick some cheap web store and buy
- clippers
- glue
- 3 burshes - tiny one for details, bigger one for bigger parts and dry brush
- hobby knife - you can buy it on aliexpress for 2$
- paints - just take a look on this space mantlets set and buy these colours but in bigger than 3ml pots
- a spray primer
Now you are ready to go with your hobby. If you are on budget remember - you don't have to buy all this shit at once.
>Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of a LGS. Wish I did though.
So where do you want to play Anon?

>>52523445
Cadians are a kinda generic Imperial Guard unit desu. Plus GW has money invested in those product lines.

>>52523312
I was too, but then I realised that if you don't mind the Cadian model, which I don't too much, then when a new guard sprue comes out it will be like fucking Christmas.

Every single guard player will be flogging off their huge blobs, heavy weapons, special weapons, command squads, etc... and they will be cheap as fuck since no one will want to buy them when the new ones are out. Not to mention that since the market will be saturated with old Guardsmen you will have your pick of the lot. Supply and demand and all that.

>50 Guardsmen for 20 dollars

Huehuehuehue

>>52523447
>So where do you want to play Anon?
Well, there is a place near me that does tabletop and RPG games. They just don't sell stuff.

Also, I'll screencap this post and keep it for reference later. Should I stick to Citadel paints?

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Made a 40k Custodes list with all the stuff I own for them.

Would you play against this?

>>52523478

You can buy the Genestealer cults models and not use the Cult sprue upgrades.

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>>52523409
>plastic steel legion

If I keep saying it, it might happen!

>>52523525
With all the green in GW coffers, we might see new product lines desu. Though there selling practices are very cold feet.

>>52523499
>2500 points
>6 units

Kek, I'll just tarpit you with guard blobs, grab objectives and set up heavy weapons to ensure you eat shit if anything manages to break out of my conscipt blobs.

>>52523498
>Should I stick to Citadel paints?
Well, I'm using only citadel paints but I have never tried any other to be honest. About paints you should ask and lurk on /wip/ threads >>52495833 These guys will also help you with modeling and painting problems but you can feel free to ask here too

I remember reading a greentext story someone on /40kg/ wrote about a canoness "testing" new ecclesiarchy inductees

that was a good story

>>52523498
Oh, and also remember Anon - don't buy any codices right now. 8e is coming so if you don't want to buy a codex only for collecting use then don't do it and just download one from OP mega

>>52523498
>Should I stick to Citadel paints?

They are not more expensive than other brands and are damn good quality. Stick to them if you like the color range, Vallejo has a more opaque/realist color range if thats up your alley.

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>play KDK
>want to buy a sorceror just because they look that fucking cool
HELP ME MASTER, THEY'RE TEMPTING ME

>>52523499
You bought three boxes of talons?

jesus

>>52523587
Any idea when 8e is coming? I've heard this summer.

Are formations getting dumped in eight edition?

>>52523553
It's a fun list, you cuck.

What should I use for Tzeentch chaos spawn? I feel like maybe the Ogroid, Curseling, or Gaunt Summoner may work but I wanna hear some better minds than mine.

I wish I could play custodes in kill team for flavor reasons but their minimum squad is 260pts

>>52523596
>wearing a dress

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Added some Sisters to this one for more versatility.

>>52523499
Nah, I play Custodes in 30k and have three MKIIB Land Raiders for them.

>>52523143
>So basically, don't buy from GW's store if possible?
Hell, even online retailers like Amazon have great prices. The Start Collecting Astra Militarum that's usually 85 dollars is 75 on Amazon. Just shop around like >>52523216 said. Amazon is good for reliability, Ebay can also be good but may not have everything and may be in less than perfect condition depending on the seller.

>>52523609
The opposite!

>One of the things that comes up a lot is the idea that people should be rewarded for taking thematic armies. It’s a sentiment we agree with and so we’re looking at introducing Command points. A mechanism to reward players who structure their army like their in-world counterparts, with rerolls and cool army specific rules throughout the game.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

>>52523553
Wow you sound like a complete shitcunt.

>>52523617
I mean sure, it might be fun, but any army with a decent amount of models at 2500 will cockblock you so hard. How am I a cuck anyway? That doesn't even apply in this situation you retard.

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>>52523561
>>52523587
>>52523595
Thanks for the advice, senpai. You guys have been a lot of help.

>>52523663
>This level of autism

Holy fuck not anon but jesus christ m8 you're an idiot.

Do you even into Grey Knights?

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Thoughts on what to add to this list to get to 1500 points? Going for Raptors tactics

>>52523662
For using my units as they are intended to win the game? It's not my fault he's bringing 6 fucking units. I'm not even running a fucking cheese list, just standard blob guard, which is by most opinions, pretty average.

>>52523697
You literally do not understand what fun lists are and are going "HUE HUE HUE" to someone just having fun.

You are what's wrong with 40k.

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>>52523607
>>52523668
> I've heard this summer.
Yeah, something like june or july I heard.
Aslo about these tiny shit sets. If you are really new and fresh you can give it a try. It's not the cheapest option but a brush, glue and clippers will give you 3/6 things you need (knife and two extra brushes are needed imo). You will try how to paint, see how minis are looking irl etc. As I said - it's not the best deal but hey - it's still cheaper then buying a Start Collecting tho. If you are not a poorfag like my you can try it - just don't buy it on gw site

Is the Blade of The Hydra any good?

whats the best place to buy custodes? they aren't on amazon and they're like $60 at GW.

Ebay has em for 40, looks like. But it seems like they're just sending the sprue for some reason, without the box.

Is having duplicates the only option for models with heavy gear like hotshot lasguns/volley guns?

>>52523719
me* than*
Jesus fuck - time to sleep

>>52523714
Yeah totally, my average guard list beating a 'fun' list that will lose to just about fucking anything. Definitely not skyhammer, riptide and wraithknight players, ok mate.

>>52523660

> If you can successfully recite a line from the Imperial Guardsman's Uplifting Primer when rolling to Hit with your Astralas Fusilcarbines, you can reroll any 1's.
> If you are wearing a Commisar's hat at the time, you can also reroll 1's to Wound!

8th is gonna be so great.

>>52523714
The guard player is being a cunt, but the Custodes player is going to get his shit wrecked by most casual lists.

Ergo, his fun list won't be fun

>>52523763
that's because they're buying the Talons of the Emperor and breaking the box up. Don't worry, you'll be able to tell if they're recasts and Ebay will let you return them at no cost to you if they are.

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Who else is excited for SoB to finally get squatted in 8th?
Sisters of Battle don't deserve plastic models.

>>52523763
>bay has em for 40, looks like. But it seems like they're just sending the sprue for some reason, without the box.
It's because they're parting out Burning of Prospero.

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>>52521348

Opinions on my alternative Imperial Fist scheme?

I'm not a fan of yellow marines.

>>52523784
Nah, you're a cunt for immediately going into 'my army can beat your army'. It's clearly not supposed to be a super serious list.

>>52523801
>>52523830
Oh that makes sense. Is it possible to get the assembly guide online?

>>52523832
Make them brown instead of grey

>>52523853

But brown looks awful?

Why would I want chocolate Rhinos?

>>52523832
Why not just make a successor or play crimson fists then?

>>52523832
Boring AND looks terrible. Better to paint just the greaves and shoulder pad if you want to keep the yellow sparse. And put black rims on both shoulders. Keep it consistent.

>>52523719
I hate these paint sets. The paint pots are so tiny.

>>52523684
Rhinos for tac squads.

Missile Launchers aren't good.

Note that Termies can't ride in Rhinos. Either teleport them in or get a Land Raider. Or just take a faster unit.

>>52523850
>Is it possible to get the assembly guide online
This brand new website called "Google" just released. You should give it a try.

>>52522341
I want to field her, but I can't justify her over a standard Succubus

>>52523850
Message the seller and ask for the instructions and they'll probably include them. competition is pretty fierce on ebay and you'll do a lot to ensure a sale, throwing the instructions in the box is NBD.
t. career eBay seller

>>52523900
Yeah, they are. But it's still not-terrible-but-also-not-good way to try anything hobby related. If Anon don't have any LGS in his area then he should ask other players to give him a shot with painting any minis or buy one of these sets

>>52523901
The Rhino was for one of the Tac squads, I think I just messed up on making it dedicated with the builder.

I had planned on Teleporting the termies in so I could keep them rather cheap. I'm also aware that missiles aren't the best, though I do like the look of them and wanted a squad. I had considered sticking the Captain with them for slow and purposeful, but that seemed kinda cheesey.

From the sound of it though, I'm guessing the main thing I need is more Rhinos?

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>>52523901
>Missile Launchers aren't good.
Call me back when your plasma cannons ID crisis suits and bloodcrushers. Call me back when your lascannons can kill blobs.

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>>52523877

None of them really grabbed me, including the Crimson Fists. I guess if someone asked then it could just be a successor chapter.

There is an example in the fluff though.

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what's the safe word?

please, it's been weeks. I just want the sweet release of death now

>>52523971

Sorry that was meant for

>>52523867

>>52523971
Not even the Hammers of Dorm? They're pretty close to what you posted anyway.

Personally, I would go with your current scheme, but rather than having one side awkwardly yellow, go with either both shoulderpads yellow, or go for the shoulder trim. Maybe kneepads as well, but I think it's be better to go for grey with splashes of gold and yellow rather than going halfway.

>>52523617
>>52523662
t. Triggered Cuckstodes and Grey Cucks who chose low model count armies out of lazyness and a desire to be """"elite"""" and constantly get rekt

>>52523596
It's Finecrap and overpriced.

I'm going to be dropping chosen from a dreadclaw. How should I arm them? I'm thinking flamers because they're cheap, but meltas are an option, too. I'd like lightning claws, but power weapons on them just get even more expensive.

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>>52524044

Hmmm I dunno I still quite like it.

I'll have to do a test model and see what it looks like in the 3rd dimension.

There's also this I found. It's basically their Unification War scheme.

>>52523832
Might be boring depending on which grey you use. I'd probably aim for a very dark grey. Call them a successor and you should be good.

Should keep in mind that the IF mindset is that they want the enemy to see them coming and know that the SM's are coming to pound their ass in (so don't give a fuck about wearing bright yellow armor).

>>52521635
Right looks gangster as fuck tho, and if you play mainly 30k doesn't matter it looks a bit like templars (which are an if successor anyway)

>>52524075
I would say power weapons over claws if you go that route, but I think melta is the safest option. Cruise in, slag a transport, charge the dudes inside with 4 attacks each. Don't even really need power weapons.

Is there any Sniper Weapon that is objectively good as a 1-of inclusion (i.e. only in low numbers like a Transuranic Arquebus but good) and not spammed like in Scout Sniper squads?

I can't think of any single good Sniper weapon, if only because of how fucked the Sniper rule itself is.

>>52524056
>Projecting

I play both because I love their look and find the idea of painting 100 shitty stat guardsmen to be pathetic.

Elite forces are more fun and fucking hello that's the point of average Space Marines.

>>52524260
Tau have Drone Sniper teams. 3 48 inch rapid fire relentless jetpack snipers fired at BS 5 as long as their controller is alive.

Not as good as Riptides or some of their other heavy support mind you, but they do fine work for only 60 points.

So, I just bought a talons of the emperor box, as well as an additional custodes squad and an additional vigilator squad. What's the best way to set these up for a 1k/1.5k army?

>>52524350
Not interested in an HQ? If you are, take Celestine or Cawl.

>>52524260
Sniper Rifles can be useful upgrades to an IG command squad, if you want them hanging back giving orders and can't afford a Chimera. They don't hit very hard, but the range lets you hit from a nice distance away.

>>52524363
I could take either. Prefer celest because of the fluff. But here's a question, if I run them as GLTF and NMTF, do I run the single HQ as unbound? How does that work?

>>52524386
You run a bound army with the two fulfilling basic HQ and Troops, plus the Sisters and Dread as Elites, and Celestine can be taken in any Imperial Army as an HQ.

A fluffy question in regards to the relationship between AdMech/Skitarii and Rogue Traders:

>>52524345

>>52524113
I do play 30k, which is why it's so hard to decide.

I keep putting it off but I will have to pick soon.

>>52524414
But then I'd lose the custodes/sisters formation bonuses

>>52524432
She can be taken as an HQ but does not have to act as the Warlord for the Primary Detachment.

>>52524453
Right, but removing troops from the task forces and putting them in a CAD would debuff them. For instance the custodes would lose their 1d6 deep strike and the sisters would lose the -1 enemy warp charge die

>>52524418
Depends on how the AdMech were feeling that day. They'll either reward him with a planet or something of equal/greater value, or just straight up try and kill him for it.

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>>52521438
Working on my friend's Guilliman commission. Bobby G is basically 99% done. Most of the work left is on the base. The only thing I'm pissed about and he'll understand is the crooked as fuck ammo belt and when I was trying to slow-bend it to fit a bit better, it snapped. At least super glue makes it look a bit better.

>>52524418
Admech would probably just murder him and take it to be honest

>>52524495
Formations can fulfill basic FOC requirements.

Basically you can use full formations and fill out the FOC.

>>52524116

Yea, meltas were my initial thought, too. It makes for a great alpha strike. Should I go for the full squad then? Put my Lord and maybe a sorcerer in there, too. They're going to be in a Warband if it matters.

>>52524528
I know that, but it still doesn't leave any room for an HQ because they aren't in the formation

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>>52524082

Here's some more evidence to support my faith in this scheme.

These guys don't look so bad, just imagine yellow instead of red.

>>52524543
Chosen squads at more than 5 dudes never feel to worthwhile in my opinion, but I tend to favor smaller squads as a whole.

>>52524580
Celestine would get no benefits other than what transfers over from other Formations that affect non formation models, but your Custodes and Sisters get full use of their own.

>>52524605
So back to my original post, that basically counts as running celestine unbound? Because she's not in the formation and she's not in a CAD (because in order to be in a CAD I'd have to pull people out of the task forces)

I'm sorry we're going back and forth here but that doesn't seem right.

>>52524528

No they cannot - a unit cannot be both part of a CAD and a separate formation because a CAD is just a type of formation and outside decurions models cannot belong to more than one formation.

>>52524676
Yeah that's what I thought. So what's the best way to run an HQ with a formation army for fluff purposes?

Do I need to buy 10 imperial guardsman as a tax in order to run her as a CAD?

>>52524641
Characters like Celestine adhere to any and all army charts. Taking her does not make your army unbound. Basically you could include her in Ultramarines or Imperial Guard and still be bound.

>>52524676
Read the rules for Sisters and Custodes. Also reread the rulebook, formations can actually fulfill both.

>>52524260
Illic Nightspear (that eldar dude) and vindicare assassin. Snipers getting pinning back when?

>>52524719
>Taking her does not make your army unbound.
Obviously not, they're in formation. But she IS unbound because she isn't in anything.

I think you need to re-read the rules man.

>>52524705

Basically yeah - or the cheapest way is (I think) 1 unit of scouts.

>>52524719

No you are wrong. Read the rule book.

>However, all of the units in your army must belong to a Detachment and no unit can belong to more than one Detachment.

I quote specifically from the 'detachments' section in choosing your army. Unless there is a SPECIFIC rule that states a unit in Custodes or SoS can belong to 2 formations they cannot. A CAD is just a detachment - you cannot belong to a CAD and another detachment. So, in fact, you read the rulebook.

She would be unbound if not taken in a formation.

>>52524719

Are you dense? The rulebook is explicit - a model cannot belong to two formations at once - or do you think a CAD isn't a formation?

>>52524757
>1 unit of scouts
Oh, as an allied detachment. Good call. Still that's kinda lame. Maybe I'll do a conversion which is just a single squad of guardsmen following her around and worshipping her holy booty

probably not though

>>52524514
its funny, we were both working on Bobby G at the same time. I finished awhile back but i was painting full time for 2 days.

looks great anon

>>52524787

Yeah an allied detachment is your best bet. You could maybe do Inq. Henchment? I'm not familiar enough with Imperial Agents to know what your options look like. Find something with a jump pack troop since they'd fit?

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>>52521635
Right reminds me of Hammers of Dorn, which to me are one of the most aesthetic chapters. Also a successor of the fists, so it makes sense.

>>52524590

Well, they're in a Claw, so having a stronger assault as well as chaff for the meltas can't hurt.

how valuable is the vexilla upgrade for custodes? Is it worth while in both spear and sword/shield squads?

So i saw the Horus heresy models at my local games workshop and really like the look of them, but the thing is that i play Khorne daemonkin in 40k. is it possible to use the models (the termies and mk3 boxes especially.) in my army? also i see plenty of the models on ebay for 20-30$ less but they're from the boxed set. are they the same as the standalone boxes or are they different?

>>52524818
Henchmen are elites, so no dice. Battle Sisters and Veterans are 60 points for the squad, Skitarii are 55.

>>52524968
IG platoon command is 30 points

That feeling when playing 2v2 1250 each and doing my tau with another tau vs neurons with aeldari that had the yncarne or whatever it is called and winning by turn 4. Only fielded 2 hunter cadre, 1 osc, and a drone net formation vs a ton of both of their cheese and d weapons. For the greater good brothers

>>52524976

But can you take them without the other 2 squads in the platoon?

>>52524994
oh, probably not, i dont know guard rules, i just saw them at the lowest point count on the roster builder

>>52524988

You played a bad player - the Yncarne is awful and should never be fielded.

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Is there a US based terrain seller?

Literally every single decent one seems to be based in the UK and charges out the ass for shipping.

Looking to get a bunch of terrain for Necromunda/Shadow War and paying $100 for shipping is retarded.

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I'm going against Space Wolves and Deathwatch as part of challenge between friends as Guard. Do I take the Vanilla Russ or the Exterminator?

>>52525013
Just make terrain. It's pretty easy.

>>52525036
If I wanted to make it, I wouldn't have asked.

>>52525031
Ap 3 blasts do terrible things to marines. Go standard

>>52525005
Yncarne isnt that bad, fnp bubble is useful and so is *teleports behind you* if you use it properly. Ive used mine to rip through marines before they can shoot during their own turn. Its not trash, just not as good as a wraithknight

>>52525101
Deathwatch guy is taking a unit of termi's with TH/SS. I have the SC and a Leman Russ. How can I deal with that? Scions?

>>52525105

FNP bubble is trash on T3 models because of how easily negated it is.

Teleports behind you is a fast way to have a dead Lord of War.

Sure he isn't as good as WK because that's obvious - but not only is he not as good as a WK he isn't as good as his points in reavers, scat bikes, or any number of other good choices.

>>52525122
Plasma vets, duh.

>>52524798
Thanks. I wish I could paint for 2 whole days, get off at 6 and have to be in bed by 1AM to wake up for work which means no more painting to 4AM for me. At least I get off early on Saturdays and have Sundays off.

>>52524846
>claw
>not fist on a stick

>>52523499
>300 points for a landraider
>in 7th edition
Weapon profiles are too good and too cheap to even put LR on the table

>>52524846
Why is black and gold such good colors together?

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>>52525013
Ive enjoyed the buildings from miniduels in florida.

Here's my table if these buildings are thr kinda thing youre looking for.

>>52525013
https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/MDF_Scenery_Suppliers

There is an excellent US absed one but I can't remember the name

>>52525255
Not the dude you responded to, but those are fucking snazzy. What's the price range?

>>52525266
Couldnt tell you off the top of my head. Got them at 30% clearance in boxing day.

http://www.miniduels.com/

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I am making a wonderful mistake.

>>52525303
what are they made of

>>52524418
To all of your "could" questions, the answer is yes. To your "would" question, its is better answered as "could" and the answer is also yes. They could also kill him to take it, or they could just offer him a token reward, and so on.

It's a creative hobby, m8. There's a lot of wiggle room in 40k and for good reason. So long as you can construct a backstory that isn't outright offensive to the fluff, no one will have an issue. And even if you want something that IS offensive to the fluff, you just have to wiggle harder. Blood Angels worked together with Necrons. Xenos are fixing the Golden Throne. A loyalist primarch returned. Whatever back-ally deal you want your RT to have with AdMec will not be stepping on anyone's toes.

>>52525320
MDF. Assembles with wood glue. Sturdy enough that i can throw one and it'll be fine.

>>52524260
D-99 have a squad that has infiltrate and can make their snipers 60"
Also snipers are a free upgrade over lasguns for them so I guess that's good

>>52525134
My yncarne has lived through every game ive used it and has reaped a higher tally than my wraithknight. The trick is to get it into combat with soulburst and just leave when its in danger and only attack troops or medium vehicles otherwise it gets stuck

>>52525325
>Xenos are fixing the Golden Throne.

What? When did that happen/start? What race?

>>52525320
Same stuff as those modular paint holders, akin to a tough dense particle board

>>52525183
Already built up my Guardsmen as a platoon. Plus I don't have any plasma guns.

Would a new Grand Crusade be decent fluff for an army? I was thinking with all this shit going down in the gathering storm, a new Crusade being declared and the Custodes going out to wreck shit on the behest of Gulliman and his new generals.

>>52525600
I can see Templars getting attention but it wouldn't be for a while.

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>>52525539
Dark Eldar.

>>52525255
This is basically what I was looking for, just was hoping for something a little more diverse. I'll definitely keep them in mind, though.

Also looking at the "Industrial Bulkhead Terrain for 28mm Wargaming" project on Kickstarter.

>>52525638
>>52525539
>beneath Commorragh
So particularly haemonculi.

So I really love the look of the baneblade series of tanks. But I can't take them with my marine primary detachment. So that led me to make this abomination. It's not meant to be a good list, just something I'll have fun with.


1850 points
Primary detachment, CAD

Iron hands chapter tactics

ML 2 terminator librarian, storm bolter, gorgon's chain

5 cataphractii terminators, 3 chainfists, 1 powerfist + heavy flamer, master-crafted power sword

Tac squad in a rhino w/pintle stormbolter, grav cannon, plasma gun, combi-plasma sgt with teleport homer

Tac squad in a rhino w/pintle stormbolter, grav cannon, meltagun, combi-melta sgt with teleport homer

Vindicator

Guard detachment, CAD
Lord commissar with carapace, power sword

Veteran squad with demolitions and grenadiers. 2 flamers, heavy flamer, sgt with bolt pistol, shotguns, chimera with heavy stubber

Veteran squad with forward sentries, autocannon and 3 sniper rifles

Shadowsword with one set of lascannon +TL HB sponsons, and a heavy stubber

>>52525255
How much did that cost to set up? Looks like it would be $300+

>>52525712
>CAD

Just use a Castellan detachment if you're not using special characters.

>>52525831
I'm not him, but
>no obsec
>troops aren't taking advantage of respawn

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Which list better? This one or...

>>52525105
In that game the yncarne player actually teleported in front of almost my entire army from a soul burst. However, she was too far to be supported by any help and I managed to down her with almost all of my firepower. The other Tau player focused on taking out the necrons because I wrecked so hard. Teleporting yncarne to her doom

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>>52525884
or this one.

>>52525877
>no obsec

So take Coteaz, its a better tax for a Shadowsword than a crappy HQ and 2 crappier troops.

>>52524846
I guess that settles it, black as the major color it is.

>>52525793
Well above, mostly due to my stupidity on the planning side. I would say a competent person could do it for around $600 usd. Im canadian so im in the range of $800 on this thing so far, mostly on the buildings and fake water for the canal (because im lazy and stupid and went for woodland scenics shit)

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I asked before but didn't really get much help, is this enough obsec for 1250?

>>52525905
How does that work? I haven't looked at inquisition since 4th edition.

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Hey /tg/, I'm in a bit of a predicament.

About 6 months ago I purchased some beautiful looking White Scars models (biker capt, command squad on bikes, libby, techmarine, thunderfire cannon, rhino, 10x man squad) from an artist. He said it would be awhile before he could finish the army (aka - the bikers).

I found out last month that he will not be completing the army. So, I decided to buy 2 SM bike boxes and give it a go myself. Turns out, I'm fucking awful. I've painted plenty of mini's before, but I just cant reach his quality.

Is there a painting service I can use to complete the rest of the army? I have all the transfers, the first squad of 6, conversion bits, paint, etc. Ideally, I would give them one of the command squad bikers to use as a reference for the bike squad.

TL;DR: Any recommendations for painting/assembling services? Any of them let you use a model or two as a reference for the rest of the army?

>>52525262

Impudent Mortal, probably.

>>52525921
Oh damn that's insanely pricey.

>>52525966
Coteaz has a special rule that gives every non-vehicle unit in his detachment ObSec and he can be taken as an HQ in Castellans.

I'm trying to build an ultramarine army,and I was wondering if I could field an Imperial Knight without it becoming Unbound,or getting penalties.

>>52525966
You take him as an HQ choice in a Castellan detachment and he gives this bonus

>Lord of Formosa: If a Detachment includes Inquisitor Coteaz, all non-vehicle units in the same Detachment have the Objective Secured special rule.

So for 100pts you get Objective Secured and fulfill the requirements of the detachment of 2 HQs and 2 different factions in the detachment.

What's a good way to base custodes that goes well with their gold color scheme?

>>52526020
Yes, as an oathsworn knight.

This may be a dumb question, but where are the rest of the rules for SW:A? Nowhere in here does it tell me what the hell these skills mean, or how to set up a game/at what point value. Am I missing something, or was this like a teaser release?

>>52523525
They just look like Krieg copies.

>>52526025
That's pretty nice.

So I can drop the lord commissar and the guardsmen, and add coteaz, and I'm up about 350 points.

Might add a leman russ in there for some more armor, and maybe some ObSec sternguard or something. I'll have to figure it out.

What's the best way to field coteaz? I don't really have any units that seem like they'd be good to attach him to.

Am I retarded for wanting to run three Dreadclaws?

I am trying to make a gravstar list for a local tournament in a few weeks, if I do CAD + conclave, and try to take draigo in the conclave will that negate any chapter tactics if I don't go 100% ultramarines?

Based on my understanding of the rules, specifically "Chapter Tactics" the answer would be yes.

>>52526394
Unless I'm missing something you only lose chapter tactics if you have models in the same unit using different chapter tactics, and gray knights don't have chapter tactics as far as I'm aware.

So apparently castellans requires 4 troops?

So I'm not actually saving anything by going castellans. I'm having to fill my troops up with guardsmen anyway to fit in at 1850 unless I want to use 5-man scout squads,

>>52526456
I should have said, I play imperial fists.

Are grey knights what are usually taken?

I want to use IF to give the devastator centurions tank hunter. That, and all my units are painted bright yellow.

>>52526490
You can include draigo without losing chapter tactics as he doesn't have any. You'd only lose chapter tactics if you stuck, say, an ultramarine into an imperial fists unit.

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This is the pure IF list I was working on, and I figured if I could make use of tigurius it might be worth not using the formation and doing that.

As of now the termy captain is my warlord.

>>52526540
I am sorry, I said draigo unintentionally. I meant tigurius, the librarian IC that you can take in a librarius conclave.

That should clear up the confusion, I think tigurius is an ultramarine.

>>52526588
As it's a formation you could make it ultramarines without affecting the rest of your army and then you wouldn't miss out on a chapter tactic. Although it really doesn't matter much for a conclave.

>>52526470
There's not much reason to do Castellans as Guard because a CAD is usually better I've found. Hatred is nice for Guard blobs, but you'll still get swept up super easily. You'll need a Priest or Commissar anyway and you're better off just going for a Priest to get Zealot in a CAD.

I guess 6 slots for heavy support is nice for Guard, but if you're having that many troops, you might as well do 2 Guard CADs.

One thing I've wanted to do is Castellans with a big platoon and 3 Scion squads. Not sure what to do for the HQs, but I've considered Coteaz for deep striking objective secured and Jacobus to give my big blobs Counter-Attack and give anything else, that doesn't have a Priest/Commissar, Fearless.

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>want to test out all kinds of lists at all kinds of point limits
>brother not even finished with his first SC! box yet to play small games with
>have no other players to meet up with
>only store is too far away to go to regularly and doesn't have enough players to have pick-up games at since it's MtG focused

It hurts.

>>52526675
How old is your brother

>>52526703
28

>>52526675
Try playing on TTS? Or maybe loan your brother an army to play with until he finishes his

>>52526675
I feel for you. I go to the store maybe 1-2 times a week to play and most of what I do is wait. I sit there asking people if they have time to play or if they want to play, but everyone is already playing or setting up other games. I've gone ~25 times and have only played 5 games.

I want to play 1850-2000 point games, bringing all my favorite units, and I want to test formations and fun things before the edition change, but I rarely get the chance to even play. 4 of my 5 games have been 1000 points which is okay, but I always have to modify what I want to bring and I never get to test the formations I want at that level.

>>52526633
But once I make them join the grav unit they'd lose tank hunter from mixed chapters right?

I'd need them in there for invis/veil of time

>>52526842
You would yes.

>>52526861
Thought so, thanks. I will stick with an IF conclave then. I get to use bones of osrak at least.

>>52526725
I do play TTS with a mutual friend of us every once in a blue moon, but bigger games there are always a big clusterfuck-y and it's ultimately just not the same. I'd also gladly lend my brother one of my two armies for casual play like that, but my AdMech is only at around 1400 points right now. We also live almost 2 hours apart in an appartment, so transporting my shit to him and setting up a game there is difficult while he rarely has the time to come visit me due to his work shifts.

>>52526882
Keep in mind that tank hunters doesn't affect grav weapons.

>>52526890
I did not think of that at all.

So perhaps it would be better to use a CAD/Conclave build rather than the sternhammer.

Thanks for pointing that out, I have one ML/LC to abuse the omniscope but most of them are grav.

>>52526642
I'm not doing guard. I'm just trying to bring a shadowsword and maybe a russ or two, but having trouble filling my troops out.

I've got a guy here telling me to do castellans for my force, but with a requirement of 4 troops and 2 HQs I don't think it's possible at 1850 without using mainly cheap guardsmen or 5-man scout squads for infantry, or maybe taking no elites. But I have to have some kind of elites to put coteaz with.

This is the best I can do:

Iron hands, 1850:

ML2 terminator librarian with force staff, storm bolter
Attached to 5x terminator squad with chainfists

Coteaz attached to 5x sternguard squad in an assault cannon razorback, sgt has combi plasma and meltabombs

2 scout squads with camo, 4 sniper rifles, heavy bolter, teleport homers

Tac squad in a rhino with grav cannon, plasma, combi plasma

Tac squad in a rhino with grav cannon, melta, combi melta

Vindicator

Shadowsword with one set of lascannon + TLHB sponsons

Anyone have any fluff ideas for Rubric Marines painted up in Iron Warriors colors? I can't get the idea of the stripes on the Rubric helmets painted up like caution stripes out of my head.

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this is what I am trying to tinker with for 1850 tourny

Imperial Fists CAD, UM conclave use the gravstar/libs/captain try to get invis at all costs and then veil if possible.

LC devs in the defense line for anti air

One tac squad camping objective, other one either pursuing objective or supporting the LC devs

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I'm retarded, right?

Mentlegen, how do we make it a viable tactic for Marines to footslog and not need bikes or vehicles out the ass to do anything with their dudes?

I just want my 20 dudes Crusaders to be a playable tactic.