Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

Forgot link to Shadow war rules
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

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Blood Axes claim dis thread!

i am new to w40k

which imperium of man army should i play

>>52481157
Tau.

>>52481157
space mariners.

Any Templar bro's out there? I can't get the idea of putting huge shooty crusader squads with grav in Land raider crusaders and driving them up the field just to disembark and rapid fire. Someone help me and tell me why this is a bad idea.

>>52481157
Which one do you like?

>>52481154
Dere betta be nobz in dat naught

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reposting hoping to get some critique
Are there better "bang for your buck" psykers than Coteaz?

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Recently got myself a forge world GUO. What size of base are these guys normally put on?

Also if anyone has any tips on painting that rotted fatty look on his arms or painting boils i'd love to hear them.

>>52481188
I've got 1 squad of shooty Crusaders and 1 of melee crusaders. Your idea seems fine. We're playing Templars man, do whatever you can.

>>52481229
Why would you put nobz in a nought? Its not an assault transport, even if it should be. You're much better off using it to vomit a unit of burnas into the middle of the board.

>>52481229
dude play nice

no one can stand against nobz in a naught

If I have 2 HQs joined with a unit, is it possible to shoot each HQs weapon at different targets? I could've sworn Ind. Chars are able to shoot at different targets.

>>52481132
Okay, I misremembered the wording on that, but I'm still not sure if "The power of the machine spirit" applies. And I still didn't get a response as to whether or not it makes sense to upgrade the hull weapon on a Leman Russ Battle Tank.
Also why the fuck does the Vanquisher even exist when the Battle Cannon does everything it does minus having AP1/2?

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>>52481248

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THREAD CLAIMED FOR THE SONS OF PROSPERO!

AWAKEN, MY RUBRICS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sblR0eIRW-I

So were the BigMarines a hoax or is GW saving them for hyping the 8E announcement?

>>52481207
ultramarines
blood angels
space wolves
imperial fists
raven guard
white scars
dark angels
salamanders
iron hands
black templars
legion of the damned

cadians
vostrayans
death korps
catachans

admech and skiitari

sisters from the order of the argent shroud
deathwatch
grey knights

>>52481349
?

>>52481351
start out with dark angels then.

>>52481349
Seeing as today is international shitposting day, do you expect any sort of useful answer?

>>52481351
play catachan jungle warriors
your army will less commonly seen than players with a full army of squats

>>52481248
That a big weakspot.

>>52481483
4 u

>>52481248
Don't put it on the official base that's suggested, I think all the GW greater daemons are supposed to be on 100mm bases. Otherwise it'll be illegal.
I had the same thought for the FW Aeteos GDoT

Which ordo deals with chaos space marines, Hereticus or Malleus?

>>52481507
Bane?

>>52481526
Both.

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>play against orks for the first time forever
>actually lose
What
I thought that orks were supposed to be an auto-win no matter how retarded your army is
In truth it was a really fun game and came pretty close

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>>52481335
That is some hard gay Magnus right there.

It making me moist

>>52481335

Is that a conversion or does he come without a breastplate on?

>>52481351
Go with Ultramarines.

>>52481579

It's almost like top tier WAAC faggotry isn't the norm and should generally be ignored. Weird.

except Tau. Fuck Tau

>>52481595
He doesn't have his breastplate on at first.

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>>52481609
I'd love to.

>>52481351
Gotta narrow it down a bit son. Personally I'd go with Dark Angels just because robes look tits but you have a lot of solid choices there.

Have fun you filthy corpse-worshiping fuck

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Dumb newb question- If I wanted to use the Emperor's Children legion rules from Traitor Legions, do I need to build my list as a Rapture Battalion, or does using a Rapture Battalion just give me extra bonuses on top of the regular legion rules?

>>52481351
Do you want a shooty army or a close combat army? Tanks or less vehicles?

>>52481579
I normally win with my Orks.

Key for me is to piss on the "all-comers" meta and make your army lopsided and themed around a single aspect, be it meat, metal, speed or pies, only guaranteed failure is trying to play "elite".

>>52481648
a mix of both and tanks

>>52481351
Just play them all alongside eachother, fall of cadia got some nice rules to do so.

>>52481628
The latter, all it gets you are the combat drugs though.

You can go CAD/regular formation spam if you jst want the basic EC bonuses.

>>52481664
I'd have to guess Space Marines do the mix of shooting/assaulting the best out of those, while Imperial Guard has the best tanks.

>>52481649
B-but the memes! Orks are bad xdd

>>52481649
Should I make my Trukk Boyz Shoota boyz or Slugga Boyz? And should I have 3 Power Klaws and 7 Big Choppas or 1 Power Klaw and 9 Big Choppas for my Nob mob?

>>52481153
There don't seem to be rules for guardsmen, Not!stormtroopers or Works in there...

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>>52481664
Salamanders or Ultramarines might be a good pick.
Alternatively, you could make a "Crusade Army" and just paint each squad as a different chapter.

>>52481683
That's how I was reading it, but I wasn't 100%. Thanks.

>>52481704
Orks, even

>>52481694
Ork boyz already have furious charge and 2 attacks per head, so I'd go with Shootas in case they are assault weapons. If they're rapid fire instead I'd use sluggas and choppaz.

>>52481693
Yes, but occasionally they run up against an abysmal list with an awful player.

>>52481351

Dark Angels. You can yourself the Dark Vengeance box and an armoured assault box and maybe another rhino or a dreadnought and you've got the basis for a decent 1K army. It won't win any tournaments, but it's a small enough project to get finished and playable with minor conversion needed (which can be difficult early on).

>>52481704
>>52481723
SM, Guard and Orks are in the main box.

>>52481704
>>52481723
enjoy getting squatted

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>/pol/ lumped together with /mlp/

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CHAOS SISTERS WHEN

No Inquisition, Sisters of Battle, Black Templars, Demons or Deathwatch, in Shadow War.

Are we getting squated?

>>52481734
Or you just roll a ridiculous amount of 5's.

Luck does a lot for orks.

Most armis preform at 80% efficiency when they roll 3-5 with get a boost on 6es.

Orks explode when they suddenly get 3 shot lootas, hit with rokkits, make charges and whatnot.

>>52481790
Never because Sisters don't have salty cucked primarchs

>>52481267
>he doesn't know

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>>52481153

Anyone theory crafting Shadow Wars lists yet? Haven't had a chance to look at the core rules so I can't tell what's good in the Chaos Kill Team but I wanna start building stuff. Pic possibly related, it's one of my Black Legionnaires.

>>52481763
Ah well, doubt it'll be long before a neckbeard uploads them.

>>52481766
Enjoy being salty because others will continue to like what you don't like despite you making it clear you don't like them.

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>>52481580
Armour being optional is the greatest thing about him. I'm mostly going to run him with legplates but barechested.

Best part, 30k Ahriman has the same kind of pose, so it's like summoning his Stand.

>>52481802
Yes, all squatted. Robert will disband the inquisition and ecclesiarchy so their subsidiaries like the SoB and Death watch go away too. Then, after Ynnead destroys Slaanesh the necrons will action their plan to close the eye of terror, making it so daemons can't easily access the materium, so chaos servants can only summon them into host bodies.

>>52481523
For the most part nobody anywhere cares about base sizes. Unless you're entering tournaments that specifically say so nobody is going to disallow the FW GUO on the basis of base size. The GW GUO comes on a 60mm base so if you really bought into that line of thinking there should be one of those somewhere underneath him.

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>>52481138
Reposting in case the anon that asked for it didnt see it yet.

>>52482078
Why is Macha smug?
Its not because she is getting any, thats for sure.

>>52481153
Do you know if the core rules, i.e. the ones for SM scouts, are around anywhere?

WTF. Sold out!

>>52481970
I dig the Sons of Horus look, but holy shit thin your paints

So what is shadow war exactly and should I be excited? I thought we just got a Kill team game.

>>52481970
I've had a look at the rule book but I'm not sure I fully comprehend the rules.

I'm trying to balance things out so I can fit 8 wytches in to a team. Agonizer is worthless, razor flails are worthless.

syren with power sword and pistol 220
x2 wytch with shardnet and implailer 115
x5 wytch with pistol and poisoned knife 110

Not sure how smart it is to give up the rend and the anti-parry.

>>52481248
that model looks so stupid. I dont understand why so many people like it or want it

>>52481970
This is what I most dislike about shadow wars Vs Necromunda. It was always about campaigns and storytelling, not minmaxing and theory crafting.

>>52482190
Shadow War is a game using Necromunda's rules, except using the regular 40k factions instead of hivegang scum, because clearly they didn't learn anything from Blood Bowl.

>>52482190
It's modern Necromunda.

And by that I mean it's almost 100% the same, but with codex models, instead of the hive gangs from 2e.

>>52481523
If I recall right, the 40k rules say that you can always play a model on the base it was originally supplied with.

>>52482042

mostly Shameless advert

Anyone want to give me input? I also didn't realize how slow that thread was.

>>52482221
This is a matter of your local meta. There's nothing about SoA which is more or less narrative focused than necromunda.

>>52482175

Yeah, I goofed the black on the left shoulderpad particularly hard but I think it's ok enough to be tabletop quality. Thanks for the comment, will have to put more effort in future if I wanna improve though tbqh

>>52482272
What you're describing is shameless Hereteks who have betrayed the imperium and turned their backs on the Omnissiah.

Play as admech with xenos allies with converted admech units in place of xenos models.

>>52481138

I want to make a Kill Team. 200 pts.

I've got two 10-man tactical squads and two 5-man assault squads. What do?

>>52482272
As far as I understand it, the primary reason that the Imps let them get away with a lot is that they believe (or claim to believe) that the Omnissiah is a singular facet of the Emperor's divinity, like how the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are all part of the same God.

Granted, 40k is sort of "anything goes" in the sense that it's possible unless something explicitly says it's not. It would be more plausible though if you made all your techpriests part of an Inquisitorial retinue with an Ordo Xenos agent as their leader, therefore making your tech-heresies supervised and thus safeguarded.

>>52482212
I don't think it looks stupid, but I do agree it's highly overrated. The Nurgle CSM models are so much better from both FW and GW. FW's newest Nurgle GUO is also ugly.

>>52482221

It's more just that I'd rather build a skwad that has a decent chance of winning games, not necessarily WAAC.

How to best represent an Inquisition task force meant for shadow operations? I was thinking Inquisitor, some Scions, and an assassin?

>>52481231
>>52481231
Well, for the price of coteaz you could get 2 ml2 astropaths. Twice the powers for the same points, but you lack the melee power and bonus rules coteaz gives. Also people keep thinking that coteaz gives objective secured to any army he's in but it's just his detachment which means just him.

>>52482413
That's all inquisition task forces, anon.

>>52482113
shes hot

>>52482272
That's tech-heresy of the highest order, as xenos tech is one of the forbidden tenets of the Machine God, so they'd be purged with extreme prejudice.

>>52481335
No shirt + yes pants Magnus is the god tier combo

>>52482116
They are in the box, confirmed by GW

>>52481970

Yes. Painting them now, actually.

Siren
Chainhook, Blade Venom, Mirrorhelm, Splinter Pistol

Bloodbride
Shardnet and Impailer, Mirrorhelm

Bloodbride
Shardnet and Impailer, Mirrorhelm

Wych with CH+BV + Splinter Pistol
Wych with CH+BV + Splinter Pistol
Wych with CH+BV + Splinter Pistol
Wych with CH+BV + Splinter Pistol

>>52482148
Sold out at 1010 pst. Shiiiiiiiiit

>>52482208

Meant to link you here >>52482610

Wyches can't buy gladiator weapons, only bloodbrides.

>>52482208
>>52482610

Seeing a lot of peeps talking about wych warbands, are they especially fun in SW:A or are DE players just emerging from their hidey-holes?

Anyone have the rules for putting together a SM scout team for shadow war?

>>52482614

It's a shit April Fools joke.

>>52482655
If they are anything like, they made a wych cult army in 5th edition and want to use their now-near-useless Wych models.

>>52482655

I've just been wanting to run a wych cult on the table for a long time and have 2 boxes of wyches I was planning on using in normal 40k. I had just started building them then the shadow wars shit was leaked, so now I'm super excited.

>>52482609
Thanks, too bad I can't get an epub so I can make an army

>>52482667

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf

>>52482638
I'll just downgrade them to poisoned knives then, blood bridges are a massive waste from what I see.

>>52482689
I only see chaos marines and stuff in that one

Does anyone know if Scout vs. Ork: Armageddon has campaign rules?

>>52482698

>knives
Go with chainhooks, man.

Also, a Bride with a Mirrorhelm and Shardnet is a fairly decent melee tank. You force them to use a knife and can parry an attack. On top of that, you have 3 S4 attacks, and remember that S4 is -1 armor save for a total of -3.

>>52482332
Whats your meta? Because that is the most important thing to figure out whats good for a team. Plus are those in box unbuilt or, built up with weapons. All of these are rather important pieces of information

Do you guys know what we fucking need?

All 40k girls having a hot sweaty orgy with each other.

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So I just noticed that the War Coven and Sekhmet Conclave need to be at maximum size to get of one their bonuses. I don't think that's even possible to do that in a normal game. Is there a reason for that? I mean, they might as well not even have the Favored of Tzeentch.

>>52482436
Obsec isn't really a big deal.
For the astropaths would I not need some form of tax? His special rules definitely put him a head above the rest. Not to mention the tax Coteaz has to take (usually those listed, plasma servitors and jokaero) is actually surprisingly effective especially against drop pod marines

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>>52482840
Not gonna fall for that again.

>>52482867

Because tzeentch like 9!!!! Get it xDdddd 9 is tzeentch number and you need 9 units lmao xDdddd!!!!!!!!1111

That's how GW actually thinks.

>>52482867
>fear
>+1 T in never gonna happen when it matters circumstances
what a joke. At 250 points base for each terminator unit of 5 they should have a buff to Deny the Witch or something actually good.

>>52482689
Guard are going to get raped.

>>52482840
>tfw sweat is one of my fetishes

Stop triggering my pants.

>>52482340
I thought it was that they believed the Emperor is the Omnissiah, so the Omnissiah is like God, and the Emperor is Jesus.

>>52482880
Did Ahriman bully whoever wrote Wrath of Magnus when they were in grade school or something? I feel like making you run 2250 points of Terminators was a deliberate attempt to sabotage TS.

>>52482867
Like >>52482880 said, it's a thematic thing. Kakophoni get +1 Strength sonic blasters at 6 units and Plague Colonies get get a rule to reduce enemy Toughness at 7 units. World Eaters don't get a formation with a rule like that though, for some reason.
Either way, they're Terminators, you'll probably be fine without it.

>>52482968
Well keep in mind it's 4 termies and a ML 2 psyker.

>>52483004
I imagine cruddace was involved and the word "thematic" was heavily used in conversations related to it.

>>52483016
>World Eaters don't get a formation with a rule like that though, for some reason.

Aren't there any in the KDK dex?

>>52483003
I may have gotten it backwards, but either way, the Omnissiah is apparently tied to the Emperor on a spiritual level, thus keeping Mars's machine-worship within mostly-acceptable levels of deviancy from the Imperial cult.

>>52483016
>World Eaters don't get a formation with a rule like that though, for some reason.
Those rules are in KDK. It's not quite the same but max squad size is typically a multiple of 8 and a lot of units have costs in multiples of 8.

>>52482840
I think more of us would be open to orgies with 40k guys, than other 40k women

>>52483022
But you can get ML2 psykers without having to take shitty terminators and have them join better units
If you're hard up for psykers you might as well ally Tzeentch heralds

>>52481694
Don't waste points that could be spent on more Boyz.

>>52481157
exolords

>>52483037
>>52483049
I never paid much attention to Crimson Slaughter, so I missed that.

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>>52481138
Anyone got some good ideas to make some unique looking Scouts for my Shadow wars Kill team?

I'm making a Dark Angel army, put some wings on my segeant but need some more ideas to make each one look unique.

>TFW you finally decide to stop procrastinating and start painting your army

>Primer valve jams open and releases all the propellant leaving primer all over the painting area and the rest of the can useless.

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>>52483077

>priming where you paint

???????????????

>>52482689
So that's a no, then.

>>52481351
Tanks only astra militarum. With genestealer cults allies/vice versa. Paint the tanks purple.

>>52483074
That's a different army.

>>52483067
Not saying it's a good deal just pointing out it's not "just" five 50 point termies, it's four 4++ AP 3 termies and a termie sorcerer with +1 mastery level.

Convince someone to unironically start with Ultramarines.

>>52483113
Yeah?

Great light and a good breeze on my porch.

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>>52483075
I made mine using the face-masked heads from the Scions box, to make a more "special forces" kind of look. Helms from the Skitarii box would look killer too.

>>52483134
Nobody else in the Imperium has a fucking Primarch.

>>52483127
Gotcha.
Maybe in 8th terminators will be better. I can't imagine them being worse. If that's the case they're definitely worth taking but not having a spell familiar kind of sucks.

>>52483134
They're a great place to start. Decently simple lore/playstyle to wrap your head around, moderately low model count, easy to paint, and since they're one of GWs pet factions they get new models/rules all the time

>>52483149
tfw your golden position-fortifying primarch isn't around to man your walls

>>52483134
No, If you need to be convinced, 40k is not for you.

>>52483134
devastator doctrine+drop pods

enjoy

>>52483134
Solid rules, good characters, easy to find transfers, a large model base to work with (many SM models have UM icons).
Also, real world isn't the internet, and your hurr Ultramarines memery means exactly dick.

>>52483134
Saint Tylus formation

>>52483145

Why are your dudes wearing IG helmets?

>>52483145
My god these look so dumb

Do we know what sort of points limit is meant to be used in Shadow War? Or is it an "agree with your opponent" deal?

>>52482757
An expensive unit like that is just asking to be shot in the face though, I'd rather spread my bets and force lots of wounds with poisoned knives.

I'll keep the power sword to try and take down troublemakers and hide it at the back or something.

>>52483262
1000

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>>52483134
Because this handsome son of a bitch exists and has his own model.

>>52483149
Filthy traitor dust nerds do.

>>52481970
I posted my experiences in the Shadow Wars thread, Mostly for Skitarii, but some CSM points too since I was playing them.

>>52482692
>>52482926
>>52483183

Here. There's some discussion about optimal Cultist numbers there too.

>>52483134
Nigga they have the only Scout HQ in the game.

>>52483366
>using a lame ass sergeant as your HQ
>he's not even the Captain of the 10th
>he's not even young and virile

You can just use a real Scout HQ, which would be the Captain.

Any actually good tactica sites for 40k?

>>52483391
1d4chan.org

>>52481188
Just put centurions in them. You'll get more shots and won't suck.

>>52483404
He said good.

Would a Chaos Contemptor with a Plasma cannon and Plasma blaster CC arm be a good addition for a Chaos force? I figure the 4++ against glances would be nice for preventing gets hot

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How is this for an anti-cheese/WAAC list?

Non biker lib with the gravcents for prescience, other libs on telepathy for invis.

Considering making one lib go for veil of time, but unsure.

>>52483325
>thousand sons
>traitors

>>52483366
>>52483377
The better reason is that they have the only Tank Ace HQ for marines. Great if you want an all vehicle list.

>>52483463
Fooled ya

>>52483300
>has his own model
Wut?

>>52483476

You'll probably want 4 melta command squad to save 35 points, and to provide more melta. Assuming you keep your centurions invisible/alive, you will have enough grav for anything you play against. Adding another 15 grav shots with no amp at 18" (albeit 12" move) and more frail and requiring additional protection isn't really worth it. If you really wanted more grav take 2 more Centurions.

>>52483504
He doesn't have a model. He has a bare head in the Sternguard box. So does Sidonus.

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>>52483504

>>52483513
I am completely open to suggestions on it.

I really don't care anything about this WAAC list except for it must consist of models I actually have/can convert easily/can counts-as easily.

I went to a game last week and played 2 riptides at 1000, and so I wanted a list that could shred that bullshit if I needed to.

If I replace the gravs with meltas on all the bikes then I save 25 points, but won't I not be making use of the relentless rule if I do that?

If it helps I could post the models I have, but I am pretty sure I have the most competitive ones in this list.

>>52483533
Huh, how bout that.

>>52483595
Ork Flash git set also have the heads of Badrukks lieutenants.

Or the other way around.

>>52482874
Coteaz doesn't have any tax he can be taken alone. Same with astropaths. Astropaths can also be taken as ml1 for 25 points which is a really easy access to prescience. Ml2 is nice for them for more powers if you roll on one table but they are only 1 wound so sometimes taking 4 ml1 is better than 2 ml2. Astropaths can only do telepathy and divination so they are good for cheap psychic shriek too.

Coteaz is really great though. Astropaths are better if you want a lot of prescience or just more charges.

>The year is 2017
>There's still no new Scout models

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Tempestus Scions or Deathwatch for an Ordo Xenos force sent to do assassination operations, scouting, and other spec op activities?

Hungering for some 40K fanfiction. Does anyone know of a story where a human child was adopted by an Eldar farseer.

Also open to recommendations, please?

>>52483657
Given my list which would be more advisable?

>>52483722
Scions are fluffier, Deathwatch is going to be better on the table.

>>52483669
Its a shame they didn't use Shadow War as a chance to revamp both them and Ork boyz

>>52483669
>Want to start a Raven Guard force
>Lots of scouts
>Can never pull the trigger because Scout models are so ugly

:(

>>52483153
If Shadow War is and them Adepticon infos are any indication, 8th is going to have Armour Save modifiers (so any gun will always have a place, no more AP3 bolters negated by ducking behind a bush) and termies roll their save on 2d6.

Both of these changes buff TS something fierce.

>>52483776
Slaanesh, please.

You are jobless and sucking some dicks won't pay your rent.

>>52483730
I think you're fine with what you have. If you have more skitarri units then you could add them in by dropping everything that isn't coteaz in that unit. He's an ic so he can join one of your squads.

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Just got back from my first game in like 10 years. Brought my 1k points of skitarii and another guy's 1k points of eldar against 2k points of Tzeench.

We won, hurray. Although Magnus is a complete asshole. Spent half the game trying to ground him, wish I had brought an icarus array, but the neutron laser did some decent work too.

>>52483775
With regard to multiple D6 saves, there's no confirmation that they'll be coming back. Armageddon shouldn't be taken as an indicator of what will be in 8th. 8th will in all likelihood more strongly resemble 7th mixed with AoS than it will resemble second edition.

>>52483775
I bet Custodes get this bonus as well.

>>52483802
I am jobless but those boys are godless. Especially the de player.

>>52481138
Ok after many revisions and some tips from anons, my current DG list

>Lord- 145
Nurgle
Terminator armour
Power Axe
Gift of mutation
Combat Familiar

>1 Sorcerrer – 175
Psyker 3
Nurgle
Sigil of Corruption
Spell Familiar
Gift of Mutation

>5 Bikers- 175
Nurgle
Power Axe
Melta Gun
Gift of Mutation

>5 Havocs - 145
Mark of Nurgle
4 Autocannons
Power Axe

>3 Terminators-143
Nurgle
Power Axes
3 Combi Melta

>5 Chaos marines- 90
Nurgle

>5 Chaos marines- 90
Nurgle

>Spawn- 36
Nurgle

>999

>>52483892
I am also aware combat familiar is meh, but he is fluffy in relation to a running joke with my nurgle themed armies

>>52483844
We have to wait and see, but it would definitely make sense and go a good way into making them worth their points-to-armysize ratio.

>>52483840
i understand you, I'm really just speculating/wishlisting here. Armour save modifiers have already been confirmed by GW so I'm quite happy about that provided I don't get the short end of the stick (If bolters are -1, Inferno Bolts should be -3 or 4..)

how do you feel about riptides at 1000 point games? had to face one today with my thousand sons.

>>52483990
Riptides are never okay regardless of what faggots say online, simply by virtue of the fact that they can only be played by

a) Tau players
b) Tau players who are willing to field Riptides
and/or c) Non-Tau players who are huge enough faggots to ally in Riptides

There are zero situations where any of the above three are worth playing against.

>>52483990
Not too bad for high tier armies to face, but for more casual lists it can be hell to deal with

>>52481138
Hey I have a dude who keeps going on about "How Rouge Trader is the best thing ever and I only care about Rouge Trader" However the guy has never played a game of Warhammer before.

Is there anything bad about Rouge Trader I can throw at him?

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This is my "fun" list for 1250, is there anything pants-on-head retarded you guys see about it?

>>52483288

A Chainhook+Poison wych is 100pts. Don't use knives, man. For 5 more points you can't be parried and have -3 armor.

Also, the BB are expensive, but in reality, I'm trading a single wych for the BB upgrade, and another for pistols. Running and cover does a lot.

>>52483990
>how do you feel about riptides at 1000 point games?

I'd roll my eyes but wouldn't refuse to play. If the rest of the list is reasonable - ie, Fire Warriors and tanks instead of other flavours of gundam bullshit - then it's probably okay.

>>52483134
There primarch can make chairs.

>>52484059
I think he's talking about the RPG?

>>52483990
It's not socially acceptable to play a pick up game at 1000 points with riptides. If your opponent has no clue chances are he won't be prepared whatsoever and will be shit on.

>>52484087
If his entire list was HS tanks and FW, he would need to mech up. If he played Devil Fish and HS tanks, he wouldn't be the sort of faggot to take Riptides.

>>52484111
Nope, he's talking about 1st edition and he thinks its the hottest shit.

>>52484011
>>52484023
>>52484059

in the end it was a fun and close game.
I was able to kill his riptide with my psychic abilities in the first round after he deep-striked.
the game ended with only ahriman and his crisis commander left on the board and in close combat. after killing two of his crisis bodyguards Ahriman was slain by the commander.
It was only my second game with my thousand sons, so I think I can improve for next time.

>>52484067
>2 wound warlord
This is a mistake

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Anyone know if there's a good primer (primer, not base coat) spray with this color?

>>52483990
As both a TS and a Tau player, I think it's disgusting. But then again, I hate the fucking thing. It's too powerful, it's too cheap and the model's fucking disproportionate and ugly. It goes against the Tau way and I just don't fucking like it. My opinion on facing it is like this anon: >>52484023

Now my questions: What did you field and how did you fare?

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>>52484157
>It goes against the Tau way

What did he mean by this?

>>52481994
Omg please someone draw this

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>>52484155
I swear by this stuff in all mediums, black grey and white.

>>52483990
I'm used to 3 at that level.

>>52484157

I fielded Ahriman on disc, Exalted sorcerer on disc,
10 Rubrics with soulreaper cannon in a Rhino and 5 Scarab Occult Terminators to form the War Cabal formation.

As written here >>52484138

it was very close. Ahriman was superb with his psychic scream times every psychic phase,killing his marker light guys and his 5 ghost suits, and just flying across the battlefield but my terminators were just wasted. deep striked them stupid so they got killed almost in the first turn they appeared. The Rubrics also did a good job because the exalted sorcerer joined them after disembarking and he casted the spell on them that they would ignore cover. His fire warriors did not like that.

Are there any downloads of the Shadow War core rules available yet?

>>52484067
That termie squad needs to decide what its doing.

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>>52483765
its mostly the heads

>>52482078
Ask some digital art drawfag to give it some finishing touches and we are gold.

What's a good name for a space marine chapter based on Teutonic crusaders?

>>52484173
I meant that big lumbering dumbass robots the size of skyscrapers being fielded en masse without any shred of thought, logistics or tactics is not the Tau way.

When I was a fucking shas'la, the Fire Caste used to MEAN SOMETHING!

>>52484227
Sounds fucking dope, man. You fielded essentially the worst kindof combo and kicked ass with it, I'm fucking proud of you. Ahriman is regarded as too expensive and he can't take a familiar, ExSorc isn't worth it over a cheaper Sorc most of the time and soulreaper cannon is seen as a frivolous item on units that are regarded as terrible.

But wait, 5 ghost suits? You mean the small stealthsuits? You didn't fight some guy fielding 5 fucking Ghostkeels yeah? First time I heard anyone using Perfect Timing, that's dope as fuck!

Stay the course, lad. Don't listen to anyone telling you our ways are shite, just keep blasting twats with mind bullets.

>>52482822

Already built.

X5 assault w/ plasma pistol + jump packs + powerfist
X5 assault with plasma pistol + jump packs
X10 tac w/ powersword + meltagun + flamerx2
X10 tac w/ missile launcher + flamer
X1 captain with jump pack, powersword, plasma pistol
X1 rhino w/ hunter-killer missile + dozer blade

Is my full list

>>52484361
black templars

>>52484148
Is a lib with a SS not tough enough for warlord? I could throw the shield eternal on him but that's another 35 points.

>>52484308
I thought giving it some variety would be good so it could be flexible. If you think it should be more specialized then I would probably remove the chainfists to make them not anti tank, would that be better?

What do you guys use to seal your minis? I had a can of Army Painter Matte Varnish, but I ran out and am looking for a cheaper alternative.

>>52484406
Those are hospitaller knights

>>52484185
Thanks, I was looking for something biege-white-boneyish color however

>>52484308
>>52484148
I am generally open to ideas here.

I could use a captain instead of a chaplain and make him the warlord if you think they don't need the zealot rule

>>52484380
Riptides worked better when they were a rare prototype specifically used for siegebreaking.

>>52484380

thank you.
well, at my GW the guys are usually playing casual so I can afford to play more what I like than things that are the best. But just for curiosity, how would a "good" 1000sons list look like? I know that rubrics are expensive and stuff and that magnus is pretty dope, but I would feel kinda dirty playing him in a not-apocalypse game.

yes, I mean the little stealth suits.

btw, I thought about the game again, and I could have won if I would not have forgotten to cast force on ahriman. because I actually caused 4 wounds with him on the commander and this 2 crisis bodyguards.

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>>52483765

Adding to what >>52484333 said it is almost entirely the heads. There are a host of options for simple head swaps that make scouts far less derp looking.

>>52484509
Telion is one of the only scout models that DON'T need a head swap.

>>52482212

the only thing i dont like about it is that it almost 100% looks like its about to cut its tongue off

>>52484555
Oh I agree completely, its just bare heads trigger me something fierce.

>>52483075
Put them in robe and hood.

>>52483836
How do I get multiple astropaths?

>>52484409
Its mainly the random Lightning Claw dude that throws it off. One or two chainfists in a squad or fine for emergencies.

Don't forget that Cataphractii can't run or overwatch. It's important to consider that when outfitting them.

>>52484596
Where can you get robed scout parts?

>>52484185
Ive only used the black and gray, but yeah thats my go to primer as well

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hey Ive got a few friends that want to start playing Warhammer is it better to start them with the dark vengeance box or get them the start collecting boxes, and would it be a good idea to maybe get both so they can play multiple different armies against each other or would the dark dark vengeance armies just not that great to play against anything other then themselves.

>>52484622
The main reason is that's just the model I have, it looked cool.

I have the other load outs for all of them magnetized but not painted. So I can easily swap it out, but won't have any detail.

I don't have enough points for a land raider so I figured I would deep strike them in near some heavy units to go ham

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>>52484486
Don't worry about forgetting stuff like that. It comes with time and gaming. I constantly forget shit myself but I chalk that up to playing 4 different armies..

I'd say a good list currently would use as many sorcerers as possible. A lot of people say "TS are garbage, use daemons" or "a good list is Magnus and a million Horrors and Heralds". I say fuck that. Get the Cabal with 1 or 2 Rubric squads (they don't generally need a rhino desu, I never field mine), 1 Scarab Occult squad and then as many Sorcerers as possible, preferably on discs.

Pic is my 2K list I bring. The maulers are hardy and FAST, serving as great distractions to your forces. The DP acts like a dangerous discoball circling the field blasting any priority targets (especially great if your enemies don't tend to pack skyfire or many flyers) while the DiscSorcs flit around, casting spells and turbo-boosting out of harm's way. Rubrics entrench on objectives and drill anything that comes close while Scarab Occult deepstrike with termie sorc and murder.

Last game I played was against BT with Castellans and I lost by a hair due to objectives at the end of Turn 7 with more than half my army still on the field. I destroyed 400-600 points of extra dudes as well, so I played at a handicap.

It's only my experience of course, but there you go.

>>52484409
>Is a lib with a SS not tough enough for warlord?

Not anymore. Used to be the main HQ in 5E but that was over 4 years ago. The game has only gotten more powerful over that time.

>>52484806
Also, I'd include Magnus and Ahriman if I wanted to play 3K. 650 for Magnus, 260 for Ahriman on disc and 90 points of random upgrades like SO missile rack and artefacts.

>>52484674
SC are overall always better because you get to make your dude, pose them and arm them the way you want. But for newcomer they might hate to put so many part/option together. Ask them what they prefer.

If they want to play with other people then SC and/or individual box set are unavoidable.

>>52484674
Start Collecting boxes will be the better option. The game is going to get a new edition in the summer, so all the rulebooks and things in the Dark Vengeance box will soon become invalid.

Hey, Miniwargaming did a video on the Shadow Wars game, and proved the existance of Ork Snipers!

https://youtu.be/O5wTHZuk9mQ

>>52484645
Greenstuff it.

I don't work with scout model so I don't know about the size of them compare to a normal marine. But the Black Templar upgrade and Sternguard do have marine in robe/tabard

Do we have a pdf dump for the main rules for Shadow War yet? Really not into having to wait god knows how long to buy the box.

>>52484645
http://www.spellcrow.com/scouts-torsos-with-tabards-p-450.html

>>52484842
What would you recommend?

I could do a biker capt instead of a chaplain

>>52485080
Aren't robes only for trusted/veteran DA? Scouts are newfags.

What's the best way to ally in Kataphron Destroyers? Elimination Maniple?

>>52484883

Them sharpshooting Ork youths taking down all those scouts.

>proof that there is never enough dakka!

>>52485167
Probably just AD. 2 troops, +1 tax magos.

>>52485199
Would you instead make them allies so you can take 1 magos and 1 blob of destroyers?
I guess the ignore cover isn't worth it?

>>52484806
>>52484851

thanks for the help!
one thing about the sorcerers though. isnt it true that they can only get psychic from the tzeentch table if they have mark of tzeentch?
isnt that a disadvantage?

>>52484883
Ork Yoofs and Big Shootas confirmed more accurate than Scouts.

>>52485250
Only the first level! This is why ML1 dudes like the Aspiring Sorcerers in the Rubric squad kinda suck. Stuck on Tzeentch + no spell familiar. an ML3 for example rolls a mandatory Tzeentch spell and then the rest are up to you.

>>52485228
Depends, are you doing it cheaply?

Admech stuff is expensive points wise, and kastelans are 260 base. After the destroyers and dominus you'll be sitting over 500pts for allies.

Unless it's 2+ cover, the destroyers shit out enough dakka you don't really need ignores cover.

>>52481690
Not nessesarely true. Your strength 10 ap1 is cheaper than ours and when taken in 3s can fire apocalyptic ignores cover basts. If taken in 3s in one of your armored formations you can ignore stunned and WILL fire the apocalyptic blast.

Your predator annihilator is cheaper than a vanquisher, has one more shot and is twin-linked in the main turret, and so better than the vanquisher in most cercumstances. They can even be made fast in a blood angels formation!

Your SPAA is better than ours, period.

So in many ways a tank marine army is better than tankguard. All you really lose is armor, and in an age of grav-haywire-lance-melta-D weapons, most of which ignore armor, it's better to just have more tanks than heavier armor. That, and your formations are better for shooting while ours just make an extra 18% more hits and a lower chance of explosion

>>52485352
Sorry 290 base

>>52481138
So I've seen the shadow war rules for literally every race/faction but Space Marines, anyone got a leak? Why did GW keep them hidden in a £80 rule book?

What is the most absolutely tankiest HQ I could make for a space marine army?

>>52485371
Probably smashfucker prime, but he requires a retinue

>>52485371
Smashfucker

>>52485381
>>52485390
What is smashfucker and how do I make him?

>>52485406
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Chapter_Master_Smashfucker

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Basis of a 500 points escalation league, what to change from here to round this out?

>>52485439

You can't do much if someone brings a walker. Try to squeeze in 2 Meltaguns somewhere.

>>52485286

thats pretty cool but I think I handled Ahriman and the exalted sorcerers wrong then, because I let Ahriman roll all his four dice on the telepathy table.

Hungering for some 40K fanfiction. Does anyone know of a story where a human child was adopted by an Eldar farseer.

Also open to recommendations, please?

>>52485430
That requires the use of iron hands though, right?

>>52485512
>Hungering for some 40K fanfiction.
Black Library has you covered.

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>No grognards getting triggered from seeing a female space marine

>>52485537
Yes, which is one of the codex space marines.

At 1000 points what armies are most fun against space marines, aesthetically and gameplay wise? I have a Iron Hands army and was originally thinking Orks but most of the models are so ugly. With Necron's I like the aesthetic against Iron Hands but that leads my on to gameplay. Are Necron's a bit one dimensional to play with?

Chaos is a good option especially with all the new ranges but it feels a bit samey like 30k. Maybe I should go with Tyranids for gameplay? What are other peoples experiences?

>>52485591
>Orks
>Ugly
>>>/out/

>>52485621
Some of their new range is great... but for someone who cares about small points range, Ork Boys look terrible.

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>>52485478
Better? I'm a little worried snce I'm kinda paying for deep strike without using it. Maybe drop a Tuarox to get an extra squad of scions with flamers?

>>52485662
Ork boyz are full of character.

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Y/N for shadow wars cultists team

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>>52485731

>>52485731
>>52485743
not GW or converted/10, would not play against

>>52481188
Because a land raider is expensive and should be used to dump dudes into assault. Salvo guns on nonrelentless models suck dick unless they are campers.

>>52483470
no
waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive for what it brings
also too slow
afaik a 4++ does not help against glances (but you have a 4+ vehicle saveagainst gets hot anyway, many forget that)
if you absolutely must, give him tzeentch alignment to reroll saving throws of 1

>>52481526
Depends
Any dodgy behaviour will be hereticus initially
Malleus act like an over watch so will muscle in if actual daemons are involved but if it's just going to require loyalist chapters they'll leave it to mainstream inquisition

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>>52485352
Can you give me some pointers on this?

>>52485510
Ah, yes you did then. Ahriman's ML4 with mark of Tzeentch, so his first power must be from Tzeentch (not so bad nowadays due to a better table) and the other 3 from whatever table he has access to.

I play against that BT friend very frequently, he runs mechanized, so I always reserve at least 1 roll per Sorcerer for Heretech. Ts' psychic might is extremely versatile and it scales exponentially per psyker present.

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>>52485703
"No"

>>52485912
Wrong detachment for those Astropaths

Would Orks ally with Khorne armies?

are there any scans of the shadow war rules yet? i dont see how they expect people to make lists when the rulebook costs £80 and is sold out

>>52485962
Most orks don't even ally with eachother. they fight anyone and everyone.

>>52485954
I guess it implies that it actually needs an inquisitor for the Representative? Just calls for 1 HQ and I refuse to download the PDF to look at the wording for 1 entry.
I did research on it and I thought that was the correct one.

>>52481138
What chapter should i paint the assault marines i modeled trying to 1v1 my alpha legion deamon prince?

was thinking ultramarine, but thought the blue might not stand out against the rest of my army

>>52485953
It's like he's wearing nothing at all!
nothing at all!
nothing at all!

>>52486000
blood angels
the red will make a nice and noticeable contrast

or blood ravens tryin to steal his weapon

>>52485984
but if orks had a first choice to ally with a faction they'd pick Khorne for a good fight r-right?

>>52486036
But what beef to Blood angles have with alpha legion? did they have many fights against them?

i guess though it also works with the assault marine part

>>52482436
That's because you can stick him in the Castellens of the Imperium detachment, which makes all of the infantry obsec. It might be the rules only in Imperial Agents.

>>52485996
Psykana division HQ =/= Inquisition HQ

Read the fucking Pdf you tit

>>52486069
alpha are traitor legion
that is more than enough beef

>>52485743
Well hello there my new Genestealer neophytes.

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>>52486098
Mixed up the name of the formation in the thread regarding how many you can legally take

>>52485884
The Conteptor has the atomic shielding though? 4++ against glancing hits, 6++ versus pens. Get hot failures count as glances.

Is it really that bad off though? It seemed decent for the 200 points

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Whenever I think of how imperial plasma explodes, I can't help but think of pic related.

>see these plasma guns?
>yes
>other plasma weaponry only goes up to 6 but you see this
>seven
>exactly. Seven. It's one higher isn't it
>but doesn't it explode? Why not make more shots at 6?
>these go to seven

>>52486167
you get 2 helbrutes for that
2
and each helbrute has 4 attacks to the contemptors 3

>>52485953
?

>>52485962
I mean, technically because of the weird ally chart, but nah. Only Blood Axes and Freebootas work as mercenaries, anyone else can go get krumped.

>>52486040
If anything, they'd love to fight them, so long as they aren't those crazy cannibal dudes who'll eat people alive. Orks are scared of being eaten alive and Commissar Yarrick.

>>52486158
why not

>>52485953
I fail to see what's wrong.

>>52486186
Yeah, but Helbrutes does is gay

>>52485953
so, you don't want your orkz to be sexy?

Wanna build a guard tank army. So I'm looking at a Cadian Battle Group with Pask in a Battle Group Command Emperor's Fist and possibly an Emperor's Wrath tacked on if I have the points, because I just like that formation.

Question is, what's the best load out for the Russes themselves? Here's the various loadouts that I'm considering:

Pasknisher with three heavy bolters and heavy stubber for max dakka. Fuck infantry.

Pasknisher with two multi-meltas and lascannon to capitalize on rending and go hand in hand with short Punisher range. Fuck suits, transports, AV below 14 and also a 14 I guess, heavy infantry, mountrous creatures, infantry slightly less but still a good bit.

Stock Battle Tank with stock battle cannon and heavy bolter. It's cheap and iconic. Pasknisher's squadron buddy will likely be this because it's the only one without BS4.

Exterminator with multi-meltas and lascannon. Fuck transports, fuck light to medium tanks, fuck monstrous creatures and medium heavy infantry. Exterminator also cheap option.

Vanquisher with multi-meltas and las cannon. Fuck everything with an AV and monstrous creatures on the side too I guess, maybe termies. Only considering this because the Vanquisher is in the cheaper end of main guns and everyone in EF gets BS4.

Eradicator with triple flamers, because hurr fire and fuck everyone's cover saves and anyone trying to bumrush. Alternately heavy bolters for slightly longer range anti infantry.

Demolisher with zero upgrades because I don't feel like paying 10+ points for weapons I have to snap fire.

I'm iffy about demolishers and battle cannons because experience tells me large templates often under perform because everyone's in a transport that won't be oneshotted, has better armour or gets a cover save. So for it to work, you need to reach critial mass of templates to ensure that you cover everything multiple times to get consecutive pens and glances on enemy vehicles or force tons of saves. Cont.

>>52486338
So which Russ loadouts are worthwhile? Also considering the idea of just loads of unupgraded battle tanks for critical mass of S8 templates.

>>52483533
Leandros obviously got sent on a death mission when the rest of them went back home

I need the Biel-Tan djihadist meme! Quickly!

Cataphractarii vs Tartaros, when do I use either? What about regular stock Terminators?

>>52485912
Expect your peltests to be targeted first and those vanguards ignored. If your ur fighting an IG like me, expect 8 autocannons that'll chop through your FnP like so much melted butter. Most of my AT is actually worthless here because of your troops focus, but I'm not above turning such fire on your fast walkers. Those gravitons would be my turn 2 target of choice to keep my tanks safe. From their it all depends on how many of my ifantry survives.

>>52483839
Those are both great looking paintjobs, congrats. How resiliant were the Thousand Sons?

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>>52486443
This close enough?

>>52483892
Drop the biker GoM, give the lord a powerfist

>>52486505
Tartaros for dedicated melee, cataphracti for anything else.
Stock terminators if you want Thunderhammer and shield

>>52486505
Tartaros is for Assault terminators, specifically those with lightning claws. Toss a grenade harness on them and the have them shred at initiative and sweep. Another option can be taking a full squad of 10, dividing it between 5 guys with claws and the grenade harness, and 5 guys with 2 heavy flamers and the volkite sergeant for horde melting. Also, sergeant should always take a chainfist.

Cataphrachii are better as bodyguards or more shooty terminators. Pretty good if you just want a small team to stick with a Captain or librarian and do decent work with claws and fists.

At this point, I would only use vanilla termies if you wanted a squad with thunder hammers and storm shields.

>>52486378
eradicator with no upgrades or heavy bolters as he does not want to be close to krak/meltabomb carrying infanty
pask with las and MM (AND DOZERBLADE) he wants to close to enemies
i like an exterminator with las/plascannon for transport/mc hunting.(MM have range issues especially early in the game when u want to open transports i.e. before the meltadudes close in, keep them at range)
battlecannon with no upgrade for backfield
dont like vanquisher outside of apo due to being expensive for that single Ap2 shot (+lascannon), and again MM have range problems.

russes that close in (demolisher/pask)want dozerblades

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>>52486546
Fanart Tau girls are qt

>>52486507
The vanguard are really the only AT I have, with arc rifles.

Okay this is bugging the life out of me, how come in this kitchen sink of a setting we havent got a megacorp faction? The closest is rogue traders but they focus more on being space priates.

>>52486338
Pasknisher can be your high command but do NOT make him your warlord unless you don't mind giving your enemy sleigh the warlord every game. If he is your not warlord then give the co-tank plasma and order splitfire on 3 dice whenever you need. You'll get it.

The regular TC,TC cotank, and one other tank can be vanquisher a for serious AT firepower, or you can go executioners for anti-light. The last two tanks should be Vinella, demolished, or Eradicator. Why? Because putting 5 tanks within 24" can lead to pain n without end against blast AT, imperial knights, or skyhammer. This way you can put two blast tanks in one corner, pask in the other, and a tank commander and one free tank in the center for total control.

Don't take the emp's wrath with this; take the emp's blade. You need the speed bumps against melee or objective cappers.

>>52486661
They could've done that with tau, but it's a bit late now unless they shove a new alien faction in.

>>52486505
Tartaros for when you are expecting melee, cataphractii for when you aren't. Tartaros can be good with either Lightning Claws or Bolters. But for the most part you want to take advantage of their superior shooting by giving the sergeant a Plasma Blaster, FREE CHAINFIST, and Grenade Harness, then leaving the rest of them either barebones, or with a heavy flamer. The Reaper Autocannon isn't worth it as your entire army has better+cheaper ranged anti-tank, and it's anti infantry is overshadowed by the heavy flamer.

Same deal for the most part as regular termis. You shoot, you charge, you wreck anything that you can touch.

Cataphractiis are better suited for running deathstars. Just get them with a librarius conclave and roll up Veil of Time.

>>52486661
Might do with the fact that interspecies trade is pretty rare, so a megacoep wouldn't really have a good market. War is also expensive, and in 40k there's only war.

I do kind of want to see a Slaanesh CSM warband focused on greed now, using hypnotic marketing and other weird things.

>>52486655
What about the grav destroyers? They only need 2 6's to destroy a tank.

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>>52486507
fyi your autocannons are only S6 when shooting at the peltasts

>>52486760
If that's the case would you cut them down to 2 squads of 6 keeping them both with astropaths or keep them in one blob and have the peltasts with the other astropath

>>52486663
You need to make him your warlord for preferred enemy.

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>>52486633
I was daydreaming and doodling the other day of muh dudes cadre.

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>>52486991
Right, which is why I said you should take a plasma co-tank if he is your warlord. If he's not your warlord, he's still a bs4 rending reroll-penetrating rape machine, and now the other tank commander can roll for preferred enemy, d3-outflank units, or quasi-fearless infantry support!

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>>52487060
I just got done reading the Fire Warrior Novel by Simon Spurrier.

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>>52487086
Trying to come up with some lore reason for having Combined arms necrons and tau. Maybe death cultist enclave or something.

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>>52487115
Bread
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>>52481188
>> Black Templars
>> shooty
There is your mistake

>>52487266
Shooty black Templars can work, but only with smallcrusaxer squads that can abuse getting a special and heavy in a 5 man team.

>>52486526
They went down pretty easy, although admittedly I had a lot of firepower. the wraith knight knocked out his entire terminator squad in one turn, I think. And a cawl's atomizer took out Ahriman.

If you are going with a cataphractii + librarius deathball, is it worth going for a LR or just footslogging and relying on veil/invis?