Warhammer 40k general /40kg/

First for the Ordo Xenos, suffer not the alien to live

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Xth for Tau!

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>>52487115
Where were you when Orks could have saved Cadia?

Building dark eldar models out of spare bits, models I'll never use like kabalites with a dark lance and wytches with agonisers and blade flails.

To be fair a 5 man squad with a lance is 60 points, that's not bad for an obsec objective holder.

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Still looking for some people to shit on this list

>>52487205
That much grav is gonna get you called a WAACfaggot.

Otherwise, who is your warlord?

>>52487191
>To be fair a 5 man squad with a lance is 60 points, that's not bad for an obsec objective holder.
its also not allowed

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First for Yvraine the New queen of the Imperium of Man

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Claimed for the Crimson King!

DOUBLE TZEENTCH PO-PO-PO-PO PO-PO-POWER!

>>52487253
Oh right, we're not space marines, I'd have to make them trueborn who are shit.
Right?

help anons. looking for a deathwatch tyranid invasion apk since it's not on the google play store anymore. google fu is weak.

>>52487230
I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to make one of my peltast alpha my warlord unless if I want to hide my tiny 5 man vanguard squad behind a wall of cover and have my warlord there.
>WAACfaggot
But it's all in one squad, whatever it shoots at WILL die but only a target at a time

>>52487205
>680 points sunk in to a giant grav squad
I... Don't comprehend?
Are you expecting gatgantuians?

Show me your the most try-hard cheese army list!

>>52487112
Kickass drawings mate.

I used to ally both until I expanded my Tau into its own army. I just fluffed it as the Overlord taking an interest in studying them, like a pet. The Tau Commander extends the olive branch but is refused, although the Overlord helps them repel invaders due to a sense of ownership.

Both are extremely honourable to a fault. This spills over to their relationship, where they try to out-polite each other.

>>52487311
I don't know how they're run to be completely honest, sorry.

>>52487258
More like Queen of THICCness.

>>52487291
I know, and you can try to tell your opponent that, but 72 grav shots is... a lot. At that point you're already getting called waac, so may as well split those and have 2 squads.

I don't take grav on principle, but each to his own.

I was gonna suggest you max out a squad of vanguard, take the plasma calivers instead and enjoy 9 shots of plasma with rerolls 1s.

>>52487278
more expensive
no objective secured
not a troop choice

but they can take 2 lances per 5

>>52487155
>1 point over
>12 marker drones w/o Drone Controllers for an 1850 army

All those marker drones should put out about 4 tokens per turn, enough for two units to fire at BS3. Your Burning Eyes, kroot, two units of FW, and Keel all will be wanting those MLs.

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>>52487365
Better?

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>>52487115

Laid out most of my painted orks! paint like shit, but am proud of the army anyway, full of konversions and kitbash!

>>52487515
Fire at BS5*

>>52487515
6 per turn. They're all bs 3
Also the 1 point over is because this stupid list maker gives the Shaper sniper rounds.
Should both gun squads be markers as well? Is that what you're saying?

When the fuck are we getting official art of Daemon Prince Perturabo?

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8e spoilers fuckin when

>>52487523
Better. Like I said, when people see grav they'll go full waac and not feel bad about it, so at that point you may as well min max.

If you're married to having an ap as your warlord, how are you gonna prevent him from getting dsed?

>Lizardmen and Skaven well never enter 40k
Why even live?

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>>52487327
I CAN HEAR ALL THE COLORS OF SCREAMING CHILDREN LAUGHTER.

>>52487651
dsed? As in Deep Striked?
I had thought about swapping the astropaths for Coteaz and throwing him in the peltasts for some delicious overwatch and initiative rerolling but I think the divination psykers for the kataphron would be better?

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>>52487327
the inquisitor's job is to hide completely out of line of sight and hopefully not die before some reserves arrive

>>52487682
Sounds like you're pretty focused on offense, sticking the aps in with the destroyers isn't a bad idea, and your dominus is decent for tanking non id shots.

>That shitty fucking feel when your badass HQ or special character gets ID'd
Is there a shittier feel?

>>52487589
Ah, forgot about the BS bonus from that formation, that definitely helps. That's enough to provide ML support for three units at a time, with 5 or 6 units that want it, which should probably suffice, though I personally would lean towards swapping maybe one of those gun squads with MLs.

Is this intended for more casual games? At 1850, the complete lack of Riptides and Broadsides is a bit strange.

>>52487888
When it happens from something as innocuous as a lascannon.

>>52487888
Getting clubbed to death by Conscripts.

>>52487888
>spending hours painting your dudes, coming up with lists and strategies, only to have a tau player remove half your list by turn 2.

>Take Blood angels Gene-seed for Black rage
>Use Exorcists method of putting daemons in recruits to let them resist future possession
>Set them up like Black Templars with unshakable faith and devotion to the Emperor and no upward chapter limit

Why didn't the inquisition do this as their anti-chaos strategy instead of something as expensive as an all-psyker chapter in the grey knights? You could even still have a company's worth of actual librarians to provide proper psychic support and defense as well.

>>52488030
>>Take Blood angels Gene-seed for Black rage

This is fucking retarded. You don't WANT the Black Rage unless you can guarantee each marine is as strong of will as Mephiston and will master it.

You can literally recruit from other places to get marines that are nearly as powerful and just as bloodthirsty as a DC marine.

>>52488041
It's not about them being bloodthirsty. Blood angels with the black rage literally believe they're Sangunious fighting horus. It gives the chapter am instinctual hatred towards Chaos as a whole.

There's a reason the Knights of Blood have done so well for themselves as renegade without falling

>>52488065
>make uncontrollable delusional marines or risk permanent possession in exchange for non-guaranteed immunity instead of just straight up Chaos-immune GK

Why do you think this is a better idea than GK again?

>>52487952
Well to fit in my broadsides I would have had to cut all 3 troop choices down to minimum, and I kind of like fat troop blocks. And I don't actually own a riptide or I would probably run one at anywhere higher than 1250-1500. And in my group, all games are casual games. It's a lot less fun when it turns into an arms race where we have to buy new models just to compete with eachother

>>52488030
>Why didn't the inquisition do this as their anti-chaos strategy instead of something as expensive as an all-psyker chapter in the grey knights?
because the exorcists aren't actually as capable of killing daemonic hordes as the grey knights

Anyways, guilliman's answer to daemons was to just get the silent sisters back in action en masse. The daemon cannot attack you if you disable the warp.

Are Tyranids still shitty? If so, then I'll leave.

>>52488092
Because for every 1 Grey knight you can manage to gear up a fiction of these guys. Risking possession doesn't matter when it's a scout you blam afterwards if they don't manage it. Also, having your marines go crazy with lust to destroy chaos is better than the reverse.

Also, far less mary-sue than incorruptible Psykers because reasons

>>52488111
yes

but a new edition coming soon so mebbe not for long

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>>52487888
>Can get upwards of 240 points, there is also a recently released named Character of the same rank that is also susceptible to ID
>Can get a different character with EW for 5 more points

Who am I?

Hint is in the picture.

>>52488143
Ahriman/ExSorc/Abaddon?

>>52488143
grey knight cm dude?

>>52488138
Lovely, I may stay to see if 8th edition actually makes them good again (if I'm right, they were good in 2e to 4e/5e). I want to get into 40K and I've got a buddy is willing to give me his Tyranid army for free if he can't sell it, since I showed interest. Sadly, I think he's got a seller and if I'm going to be assblasted and lose constantly, then maybe it's for best

>>52488201
Now what 3 units are they?

>>52488099
That's all the more reason to use a non-psyker defense. Then this chapter can be backed up by blank assassins without all imploding

>>52488215
generic lesser master
grandmaster whatever from the guilliman box
loldor gaigo

>>52488245
Ding ding ding.

>>52487354
the T H I C C E S T of them all

>>52488221
going to need a psychic spork at some point in time, and the grey knights are the best psychic spork there is

exorcists are just space marines who are marginally better at fighting daemons (but not that much better, since the first founding all routinely embarrass the daemonic as well)

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>>52488143

At least you're not stuck with a 5++.

>>52488286
Yeah, but then you take the Exorcist's idea, then add on to it with a more anti-chaos Gene-seed and anti-heretic temperament. Then you go for sheer numbers, but don't restrict librarians.

Would you rather have 1000 grey knights, or 5000 of these guys, with several hundred Psykers among them, as well as Cullexus for Blank support since they can actually hang out with the non-psyker portions.

>>52488093
If you want to run a massive gunline army supported by drones, your list looks totally fine. In more competitive settings, you'd probably want to trim down the Fire Warriors to make room for something like a Firebase Support Cadre.

>>52487850
Well the thing is without Coteaz getting first turn would be a bit more difficult and the offensive elements of my list could be half gone by the top of my shooting phase. I could drop pod a unit of castellans assuring some make it on the table but it takes away some target saturation.

>>52488355
>Then you go for sheer numbers, but don't restrict librarians.
But those librarians are worse than the grey knights, and inducting mass amounts of dudes at once is why the heresy happened.

Quality over quantity, man.

>>52488457
>castellans
I mean kataphron

>>52488065
Black Rage is a degenerative neurological problem that will eventually leave them uncontrollable and incapable of telling friend from foe.

>>52487544
>orks
>not green
zog off

>>52488562
wtf you on, they all greenskinned

Tell me /40kg/, how shit are Genestealer Cults?

So a question for all the WYSIWYG fags.
Im building a tyranid trygon/mawloc atm.
i've magetized the heads/maws and the tails, would leaving the big scything talons on a mawloc be ok? i dont want to magnetize those and i think its looks cooler with the big ones.

>>52488764
Boy, not a single person who does not play nids knows what a single one of those fucking bits does. You can glue dollar store googly eyes to the models and make rules up for it, and as long as those rules still end up sucking people will believe what you're saying. Make em how you like em.

>>52488808
This is true for all non-Imperial races. The only shit people recognize for WYSIWYG is Imperial or if they play the xenos army too.

Tau is kind of recognizable since it's cylinders for plasma, rectangles for fusion, gatlings for burst, and boxes for missiles.

Can non-Eldar players identify Eldar guns? It's all the same fucking shit!

>>52488872
I remember having to learn all the Dark Eldar weaponry after being coddled by Marines tech.

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>>52487544

>looted lee

My nigga

>>52488872

I'll tell you a super fun one is playing AdMech. No one knows what any of my shit does.

>>52488872
I don't think even Eldar players can identify eldar guns

>>52489028
>enough of the original hull left to tell what it is
>but enough orky bits that it's not just a lee with glyph plates glued on

justright.jpg

>>52488808
Ha, good point. Even i dont know what half these bits do. Thanks!

>>52487115
>Citadel War-ter
>One and a half thin coats

Duncan is this shilling or what I don't know.

What is it like to have your lord and savior suddenly attempt Jew tactics?

>>52489163

Did you even bother to look at the date?

>>52489169
...I'm a fucking moron.

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>>52489183
C'mon, anon, I know you're better than that. I believe in you.

Alright, look like the 100 pts limit (200 if use VP) per game for recruit/re-arm your dude in SW:A is true.

RIP Nid player, gun-beast cost 225, and the fucking gun are like 150 points. Better spend all your 1k on these guys.

>>52489246
today hasn't been a fun day.

I spent the last hours with my dad before he died.

>>52489362
>Nids are know for being limitless and having endless resources
>Can't send in an extra warrior or two to join a brood and replace a dead one

At the very least, the living ones do get all their wounds back, right?

>>52487115
>ork rules not included in the armageddon list

I know theyre in the starter but fucking come on

If you are going with a cataphractii + librarius deathball, is it worth going for a LR or just footslogging and relying on veil/invis?

>>52489452

What's your overall goal in terms of competitiveness?

>>52489452
well bikes are better anyway so no.

sure you can't get tigger on a bike but you can always stick him in a squad pod and dump your other mooks into the deathstar. It'll be better off once you get in range anyway.

>>52489479
For cataphractii deathballing?

i like the models and want to use my librarians.

I'd like to not get tabled on turn 2, after that anything goes

Although being able to modify it to handle WAAC players would be nice.

I'm trying to do 1250 poitns

>>52489452
Might be better to deep strike them if you can

>>52489497
I play imperial fists, so I don't think I have access to "tigger" whoever that is

>>52489499
Cataphractii is better for abusing SnP with Devastators. White Scars for the ignore cover relic and add a librarian to give them prescience.

>>52489499

Unfortunately against a WAAC player that isn't an option - you are taking a sub optimal choice so it is exploitable. At 1250 I would be extremely hesitant to invest more in that unit with a LR than you already have - I MIGHT deepstrike them? Even that overall it isn't going to do well.

>>52489522
You have access to Tigirius. You only lose Chapter Tactics if you mix units from other formations in your squad. And since you don't care about Bolter Drills or Building Damage in your command deathball, it doesn't matter.

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>>52489531
Fair enough, this is the list I was toying around with.

I have no idea what a WAAC list for IF will look like at 1250 points

>>52489556
I didn't know that, is he a good librarian model I take it?

I really like cataphractii from 30k, and I want to use librarians, so I am trying to make it work.

I could just go full gravcents and grav bikes, but that seems lame

>>52489403
I think so, but with the limit it's impossible to recruit even a New-born without expense the Promethium Cache (VP), might as well use it to call the Spec-op. They're also Large so enemies have +1 to hit when shooting at them.

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So, I'm late to things, how much do we know about the rules for Shadow War Armageddon so far? I assume starting teams are 1000 pts, any other rules besides that I need to know? I'm going to be working on my Genestealer Cult list, and want to throw a few lists together as soon as I can.

>>52489557
I am open to replacing these terminators with something, and moving the lib to a bike. I just don't know what would be a good replacement.

Assmarines aren't good, filling out more tacticals doesn't seem good, I don't have an aegis line to park any devastators in...

I have a haemotrope reactor for plasma devs, but I haven't painted it yet.

>>52489567
He's ML3 and can reroll his powers. He's got no bells and whistles but you can take him in a Conclave. Like I said, drop him with whatever Cataphractii captain you want in the Dev pod and let loose the rape.

>>52489589
Read the Necromunda rules. Should give you a decent idea.

Anyone have any hot tips for slaying Tyranids with Scions?

There's just not enough volume of fire to be able to keep even one gaunt squad away from my dudes, even as castellans of the imperium with wyrvens as backup.

>>52489588
They really should have made it so you at least get 100 points worth of Gaunts n.a. l or something as an alternative

>>52489659
>Having trouble with Tyranids
>While bringing Wyverns

Be less awful

>>52489632
What annon said the rules are identical with a 2d6 ammo roll and for gene stealers I think techno was reskinned as guerilla or something. The campaign system is slightly different but thats about it.

>>52489630

At 1250 I think you either take a super cheap effective death star or just pile in ObSec. I think I might try to squeeze in a conclave + a grav dev. or grav cent style star if I wanted to play Death Star. I'd take a small cheap CAD for some ObSec with a few rhinos and maybe a bike unit and then put the remaining points in a GravStar.

>>52489632
I'm fairly familiar with those, but I worry there are some random "you can't do this" or "you must have this in your starting force" type rules that will be unique to the new stuff. I know I need a leader, and I assume there is a recruit limit of some sort (meaning a limit of new recruits, the kill team rules already have overall team limits listed), but I'm not sure if there is much else to just making a starting team.

>>52489028

Much better than mine, Good work anon!

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>Be color blind.
>Paint your purple Guard for like two houra before someone tells you you're using blue.
>MFW

>>52487888
Well, My belial's most impressive feat was fighting five assault marines in ruins and surviving.
Then he was stuck there for two turns and the game ended.

Or maybe the time one of my eversors died to a lascannon T1 cause I didn't account for how fast scouting predators could go

>>52489730

I know them feels anon - for a long long time I quadruple checked my paints before starting. Recently my wife bought my some Chroma glasses which makes life crazy awesome.

>>52489695

Special differences are on your datasheet.

The common stuff is 3 model minimum, 2 specialists max, 1/2 or fewer recruits, 1000 points. Exactly like necromunda.

That said there are differences for genestealer force comp and it's on the datasheet along with points values, etc.

>>52489589
If anything wrong, feel free to correct me:

1.Specialist are limit to 2 unless stated otherwise. New recruit number cannot exceed over half of your gang.

2.100 pts to recruit new guy/ buying wargear, between games, you can use 1 Promethium Cache to up the limit to 200.

3. It look like if you have 15 Promethium Cache and win the next battle you won the campaign. (I think you get D3 at the end of each game if you win and 1 if you lose, also most spec-op unit have Bounty which grant bonus PC)

4. You can use promethium cahce to hire Spec-ops unit for 1 game. 2 out of 3 GSC don't even have bounty, so you can have them Yolo dive bombed into the enemies without worry (i assume that they're not unique an can be hired again if they die?)

5. Pistol are fucking boss in melee, work like fucking melee weapons and use their profile. Grab that motherfucking Web Pistol and enjoy seeing their T3 leader struggle to get free until they die (btw if the Starting leader die, you're fucked because he cannot be recruited, some guy on your gang take over the leader's place but their stat and Skill table remain the same, i think they can take leader gear now?)

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>>52489748
I swear Macragge and Xereus look the exact same! :(

I didn't check and just pulled out the bottle.

>>52488207
That's mostly a meme from tournament players. nids do perfectly well in a casual meta. And Nidzilla makes a respectable showing in tourneys.

>>52489751
>>52489752
Okay, sounds good.

I do love everything I'm reading about the web weapons.

>>52489783
There's a few blues that all look exactly like Chronus blue.

As a side note, I found a good template for Alpha Legion. Base in Incubi Darkness drybursh most of the model with Thunderhawk Blue. Add a straight wash of the green you get in the wash pack.

Gives this awesome seamonster esque palette

I'm getting into Warhammer 40,000 for the first time. I've only played the Dawn of War games until now. I want to buy the Space Marines start Collecting Box and Codex and run the Blood Ravens.

The codexi for 40k tend to be about $4 less than on the GW webstore, but all of the models tend to be $5 more. However, the shop doesn't make you pay taxes. So if it's $90 then that's what you're paying.

With that all being given out, what else should I get? I have a $300 budget and the Start Collecting Box + Codex = $144. So I have $156 left to spend.

>>52488745
They're not at all, just uncommon. Pretty expensive tho.

Can someone link a easy to follow guide for making rhinos? IS there something that exists, that's easy like making gobsmashas?

>>52489831
Nice, have images?

>>52489900
Get a battle for vedros box, it's a good intro to the hobby.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vedros

Just paint the space marines as blood ravens, and sell the ork half.

>>52489037
yup. I don't even give my opponents the name anymore I just describe what it is.

>>52489900
Assenbled the model, paint them. Play a few low points games before making further decision. Do not spent all and then realize you don't like the army/the game.

>>52489933
I wasn't considering it because I've played miniature wargames before, mainly Warmachine/Hordes and Battletech. So I didn't think about needing the snap together models. It's why I didn't go for the $120 Dark Vengeance box set.

>>52489959
So just the Codex and Start Collecting? Don't need a rulebook because someone gave me the 7th Edition pocket one for free.

>>52489974
Yes, assembled and paint the SC box, don't glue the Dread nought arm so you can swap out weapon later.

Look at the OP post, ALL the rulebook are there, you don't need to spend, but if you're gonna play at a store then you might need one for ease to access the rule.

>>52489974
Ah. Well, it's up to you. They've got pretty much the same stuff, but the start collecting kit's got more options. I was just sharing it cause it's a good value. 8th edition's on the horizon, I'd just pirate the rules for now.

>>52489974
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Vedros
another great value is the burning of prospero.

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>>52489690
Would you elaborate on that a little?

I assume a gravstar is a deathstar ball of units with some grav in it. Is that build out of grav centurions? I can only fit 3 + 1 unit into a drop pod, otherwise I have to footslog it.

I agree I'd prefer to spend more points at this level on obsec/bike I am just unsure on how to build the gravstar.

Devastators/Centurion devastators get tank hunters as IF so I know I want to abuse that; I had my centurions as LC/ML for long range but that can easily change.

Pic related is what my CAD looks like stripped down to everything but warlord, troops, and centurions.

i am open to any ideas, I was going to take a contemptor with the assault cannon for thinning out MEQs

>>52490020
>>52490028
The store doesn't allow printed out codexi due to a player a few years ago bringing a printed out codex that he had modified to make his army more powerful and no one realized it until someone started playing the same army. I think they were Grey Knights.

>>52489819
Tyranids are pretty mediocre in a casual meta. I'm still a bit booty-blasted from the FAQ change to Monstrous Creatures and intervening model/area terrain cover. Not like the better ones didn't have invulns anyway.

>>52490052
The shop has both of the Horus Heresy things in stock. Didn't know they were legal for 40k games.

>>52489900
>ave a $300 budget and the Start Collecting Box + Codex = $144. So I have $156 left to spend.

Try to get your hands on betrayal at calth. It will leave you with a way huge space marine army, and you can customize them using bits from anuywhere else after.

>>52490089
I don't know if they are for sure but the local games workshop store I go to doesn't seem to care.

>>52490113
>>52490109
I assume it should be fine as long as the options come from the Codex?

>>52489974


https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/60010101001_BetrayalOfCalthBoxedGame11.jpg
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/60010101001_BetrayalOfCalthBoxedGame10.jpg

you get all that if you go betrayal at calth.

> A Captain in Terminator Armour and a Dark Apostle;
- A Contemptor Dreadnought, armed with a choice of multi-melta or assault cannon;
- Five Cataphractii Terminators, with weapon options including combi bolters, power fists, lightning claws, chain fists, power swords, heavy flamers and grenade harnesses;
- Thirty Legion Tactical Space Marines in MK4 armour, with a huge selection of weapons and custom features, including bolters, missile launchers, heavy bolters, chainswords, power swords, power fists, plasma pistols, lightning claw blades, combi flamer, melta and plasma guns, a melta bomb and a set of combat blades! These miniatures also include ammo packs, holstered bolt pistols and a selection of frag and krak grenades.

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>>52489900

The start collecting box is enough to start with, don't buy any more models than that until you've assembled, painted and played with them.

Besides; you haven't accounted for paints, brushes, glues, clipping and filing tools etc. in your budget. You may also want to do magnetizing if you're serious about your models and being able to play "what you see is what you get".

>>52490169
I already have a ton of paints, brushes, glues and so on. I play Warmachine/Hordes and Battletech. I also assemble a lot of Gunpla models.

>>52490191
Tyler?

>>52489374
Sorry to hear that anon. I'm sure he would have been happy you were there with him at the end. I wish I could have done the same for my dad.

>>52487155
>one point over
>try again, fucko

>>52490216
Tim.

>>52490089
>Heresy things in stock.

The calth one is better value if you wanna start playing marines.

The models are just models, you can build them out to be units from 40k even though the set is 30k, and they look cooler that way

>>52490191

Ah, my mistake. I misconstrued "only played dawn of war until now" as meaning you were new to wargaming.

If you wanted more models, actually buying two starter boxes isn't a bad idea, but if you'd rather more variety then maybe buy a tank?

>>52490237
It's all good. I should have mentioned that I already wargame.

>>52489374

Its sad, but its the kind of sad that will make the rest of the things in your life sweeter and happier. I'm sure he wouldnt have chose any other way to go if it meant you wouldn't have been there

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How is Asterion Moloc, tg? I'm thinking of getting into some Foregworld and I love this motherfucker's model and fluff, Is he any good on the table?

>>52490350
He's good against other marines and is just a meh deathstar type HQ against everyone else. And deathstar chapter masters in general are meh wastes of points.

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>>52490350
>playing Minotaurs
>not using the main Minotaurs model just because he might not be good

Don't be a grot. You should use all their ICs if you can. The only one that'll be hard to get is the Devastator Sergeant.

>>52490169
Everyone's stressing the painting, but you don't need to if you don't like to paint unless you want to play at tournaments. Focus on assembling them and then playing, paint if you want to.

now I know someone is gonna get butthurt about that, but really some of my best games have been against a grey tide. it just looks better with everything painted up.

>>52490452
>not painting at all

Get the fuck out. 40k isn't even worth playing as a game unless it's for the painted models, as a way to push around your painted shit.

>>52490089
Everything in there is playable in any 40K game, and has rules for it.

At bare minimum, the Cataphracti Terminators can be run as just normal Terminators, and the Contemptor a regular Dread if necessary.

>>52490380
I'm not WAAC or I'd play Taudar. I want a reasonable shot at winning with some skill and a bit of luck.

>>52489374
you the guy looking for a space marine statue a few weeks back ? shit sucks man, just focus on being with your family now, and reliving the good memories of your dad.

>>52488029
This fucking shit infuriates me to no end

t. Blood Angels player

>>52489900
We are closing on a new edition, so meta will change. That being said, I'd get a betrayal for calth, or, burning of prosperous box. Devastator Centurions, or invest in some rhinos/razorbacks

>>52490475
I don't understand why idiots like you still spend hundreds of dollars on plastic when all you do is complain about the game/rules/whatever. play warma or something if you don't find 40k fun.

I like to play 40k, it doesn't matter to me if my opponent paints or not. I also like to paint, but I'm not here to force that on everyone, some people just like to play and I don't see where you get off telling them they can't have fun just because you're a bitter grognard.

>>52487205
well i hate to say it, but a well built gsc list would shit all over that. turn one assaults and its over.

>>52490899
But you do understand why idiots like yourself spend hundreds of dollars on plastic and then don't paint it?

>>52490899
Some people like to paint and some people like to only play 40k painted, get over yourself faggot. Your preferences don't override anyone elses', considering this game is a multiplayer one and the primary purpose of the game is to promote the hobby aspect.

Fact of the matter is, if your army is unpainted and the other guy's is, and someone refuses to play the game, you're the one in the wrong if you push the situation any further. That alone tells you your position, if only you weren't too stupid to realize it.

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Bought chinacast Kriegers.
Rate?

>>52491146
Your camera's really outta focus man, but from what I can see I can't really see a difference.

I feel like I almost never see people post Tau/Eldar lists here, and when I do they are almost never that offensive unless posted for the sake of meming/ Do people simply not post their lists because people are just going to be ridiculed for the army they play, or are there really not that many xeno players?

Should I sell my codexes since 8th is coming?

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>>52491167
Yeah I agree it's been shit, but I don't have anything else than the phone atm.

>>52491252
>buying codices
look at this guy, fucking hilarious
you know what's contained in the op right?

>>52491279

I got them for pennies on the dollar. Besides I play at an official GW so you know.

>where's your rulebook let me see

>>52487115
Now I feel like a retard for asking this, but the SWA .pdf linked here only has the rules for each current faction. Is there another link for just the general rules of the game or am I gonna have to buy the boxed set whenever (if it ever) becomes available again?

>>52487544
What's going on with the skaven lower right?

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>>52491316
No official rulebook available yet.

Here's some weapon profile pics tho!

I still don't know if I want to run my Blood Axes as shooty or choppy.

>>52491316
Rule are 90% identical to original Necromunda.

Some collected info
>>52489752

>>52491356
Alright, thanks. I really wanna play it because it looks fun as hell and best of all, not too time consuming. I live with a roommate who plays too and with this we could actually get games in after work instead of waiting for the off weekends when both our schedules align for a day off.

>>52491250
Tau and eldar arent that offensive together as people make them out to be.

Tau cheese is setpiece, requiring things like the buffmander, the triptide formation, or the stupid decurion that allows things to count as one squad for shooting buffs; not to mention markerlights. If you want those things then you gotta pay a good chunk of your points for them. If you pay those points on tau set-piece, then any eldar you take don't benefit from them, and suddenly the price you paid to buff things is only buffing part of your things.

In short, if tau want to cheese, they need to maximize how much of their army is buffed by their cheese. Tau actually play kinda crap if you don't build at least half decent synergy into lists (My softests list is all suits enclave theme). Even riptides without markerlight support aren't too scary. They're survivable, but not super mean on offense.

Eldar can cheese without needing much setpiece synergy because they have the most amazing troops in the game, and can spam D better than anyone else. Ynnari compound this by taking an already broken army, and allowing it to potentially activate twice on my turn, and once on yours.

In short, tau cheese is in buffs (which are wasted if you ally in eldar) and eldar cheese is good enough that they dont need tau for anything (their basic troops can spam high str shooting, and they have access to ranged D and can move across the entire table on any turn with obsec troops to take any objective they want)

>>52491265

Holy shit, did you make them actual nazis?

>>52491406
Yeah. I don't know if I'm gonna bring them out, but they're safe to post on 4chans and for home games with the bros

>>52491265
>swastika armband
I wouldn't mind your edgy ass at the table, hell, I'd laugh my ass off that you actually had the balls to do it, but most other sane people will get pissy.

>>52491429

Fuck that, dont whip your dick out if you arent gonna piss. You bring those nazis to a game store and pretend like everything is fine.

we want stories

>>52491429
Ur a slav arentja?

>>52491252
we don't know yet if 8e will be backwards compatible or not.
wait and see.

>>52491445
what this guy said

>>52491429
How are your tanks looking? I feel like black tanks with a big red stripe going down them somewhere would look really good for a Krieg army. Also I will admit I do admire the freehand on the swastika.

>>52491445
Lmao, I'll bring them to my buddies when I go this summer and I'll play a couple there. Nothing local since I'm a bitch.

>>52491450
Leaf, actually
>>52491472
Didn't buy tanks yet, wanted to see how the chinacast Kriegers turned out before I spent more money

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holy fuck. guys. i have never hated assembling a model as much as i have with a Drop Pod. Fuck these things

>>52491503
I've never bought one since I don't play SM so I gotta ask - do the doors swing on their hinges or no?

>>52488457
You can't drop pod kataphron

>>52491516
yes. and trying to get all that shit to line up well is a gigantic cunt of a project. i'd rather assembe 14 more warhounds or knights than this shit

>>52491302
>where's your rulebook let me see
pulls out phone
>here it is, I bought the epub version from the website
problem solved

well if you got them that cheap then sure, but fuck spending $83 dollarydoos on a fucking book that I'll have to replace within 3-5 years

>>52490975
I'm not sure where this idea that I don't paint came from. probably you were so ass blasted you didn't bother reading my posts.

if you refuse to play against grey tide you're an asshole, and not in the right. by the rules he has everything necessary to play the game.

>>52489819
While we don't lose horribly, we don't do so well in casual either. You kinda have to play against people who are willing to give you some amount of handicap.

>>52491487
You in libtario?

>>52491649
Yessir

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>>52490899
>Bring my fully painted army in for a game
>Find some nice terrain bits and a cool board to play on
>Opposing neckbeard brings out his grey tide
>My feelings inside when

>>52491719
Why are your feelings inside so titillating?

>>52490975
I want gw to offer prepainted/posed models for more cash so people who don't want to paint them can stop having an excuse.

>>52491719
Why are you inner thoughts giving me an erection?

>>52491719
I feel the same way whenever I get matched up to an ad mech army. all the units look exactly the same, it just makes for a bad game.

>>52491580
Most people won't refuse to play against a grey tide, it's just fucking embarrassing when they bring it out. I mean how long would it take to prime and do two rough colours on a handful of Smurfs, like two nights maybe? I don't give a fuck if your paint job is shit, in fact I'll try and offer helpful advice on how to improve it, but at least do fucking something.

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So with the rules for Shadow Wars Kill Team out, can we assume they're in line with what 8th will be?

RIP Grey Knights, Halberds becoming strength +4 with no fucking save modifier is meh

While swords becoming strength +2 save -3 AND parry is fucking amazing.

Obviously GW did this because they knew everyone was running halberds.

>>52491801
Why would you ever use a halberd over a sword? Fucking -3 save versus none.

>>52491764
But if painted minis cost a bit more, they'll still have an excuse.

>>52491828
That's my point. For years halberds have been the way to equip GK.

And for years, kill team weapon rules have been the same as 40k standard.

So if they're nerfing halberds and buffing swords most GK players are going to have to hack the hands of their models.

>>52491839
>GK players get fucked
>AGAIN

Top kek, punishment for past bullshit I guess.

>>52491839
Or play them even though they aren't as good. Or counts as.

>>52491801
>So with the rules for Shadow Wars Kill Team out, can we assume they're in line with what 8th will be?
I don't think so, though maybe with small things like basics of weapon profiles. A lot of things about the old Necromunda rules only really work well with a small amount of minis (2nd ed 40K games dragged on all day), so a lot of core rules are probably going to be a lot more simple and quick in 8th ed. Because GW will always want you to feel good about buying more and more minis.

>>52491828
>>52491801
Or because back in the day, daemons and MCs generally had low armor, so having high armor pen was less useful compared to being able to hurt the things on a 2/3+ To Wound roll on your 5+ hits.

>>52491801
>Halberds becoming strength +4 with no fucking save modifier is meh
strength 8 means you've got a -5 modifier, smart guy

>>52491858
Draigo is the less likeable Jesus Christ of the 40k universe with Coteaz as his Judas

>>52491899
Does it? I haven't seen the rules for Shadow War so that's in there?

Or are you just assuming from 2nd edition 40k, or 8th fantasy?

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>>52491955

>>52491828
The strength bonus from halberd translates into further save penalties. You end up getting -4 save mid from the halberd, but -5 from the sword. Plus parry.

And the sword costs 20 points less.

There's a lot of stupid shit in there.

So, are grey knights the cheapest way to get into 40k? because of the low model count? assuming buying on ebay etc.

just curious what other people think, It's too late for my wallet, I already have 3000pts of admech and I'm planning to buy Cawl this week too... could really use more dragoons and sicarians as well.

>>52491990
Maybe custodes?

>>52491146
Looks OK.need better camera

>>52491265
Fuck, anon, you draw swastikas like a jew

>>52491801
>>52491828
>retards don't know S8 is a -5 save
There's a chart for the melee table. If the weapon has a native save modifier, then you add it to your strength save modifier as well.

>>52491990
The absolute cheapest is to play spacemarines and then buy snap-fit and used off ebay. Also the armored assault boxes, and start collecting boxes.

>>52491899
>>52491955
>>52491975
>MODELS strength
So not Str 8 but Str 4 which is a -1
still better than nothing

>>52491975
Ah...now I understand why Pulse carbines ended up being a -2 save despite being the same AP as bolters usually.

Anyone got any stories of Chaos fightin' 'nids, or Tau fighting Chaos or Eldar? Kinda wanna buck the trend of Imperial Guardsmen, Inquisitors, and Space Marines slapping orkz/eldar/nids around.

>>52492049
wrong, sorry
you take which ever is higher, played a game at my local store earlier.

>>52487544
dude that is so cool +1 internet to you

the doomwheels especially

>>52491539
Magnetized all of mine, time consuming but worth it

>>52491990
Ravenwing Black Knights

>>52492071
Siege of Castellax is Orks vs Chaos.

>>52492058
Anon, you're retarded. The halberd grants a +4 Strength bonus.

That means you add that on top of the models bade strength, for a -5 Strength.

>>52492061
Nope, the table isn't for ranged weapons, else Ork guns would have the same AP as Space Marine guns.

>>52492071
In the KdK codex, there's The Harvest, who kill an entire Space Marine chapter in order to defend the fortress monastery from a hive fleet.

>>52491945
I love draigo actually

>>52492121
>grants a +4 Strength bonus
to wound yes, not for AP otherwise you'd have ridiculous AP's for no reason.

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What do you think about this list? I know it not competitively optimized, but it's my entire collection of Imperium related models. I just really want to get some games in, so I'm wondering, how would ya'll feel about playing against this list? What can I improve? What should I buy next? Feedback is appreciated!

>>52492058
>So not Str 8 but Str 4 which is a -1
dude, no

>>52491977
Some people have been saying the modifiers stack, but I'd like to see the full rules before saying one way or the other.

If it's the case though, the halberd's trading parry for the ability to put the hurt on T5+ in comparison to the sword.

>>52492160
Why would you use lysander with an ultramarine army?

the rulebook literally says you add the weapon's rend characteristic to the Strength rend

>>52491975
>based on the attacking model's strength
so where does it say that the weapon changes the user strength to a new number...it specifically says
>as user + 4

>>52492182
It's an IF army

>>52492203
sauce?
that's not the way I read it at my store

>>52492203
pics or lies

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>>I miss using my grey knights. Let's see what's going on with their 7th edition codex
>>terminators can no longer take a brotherhood banner for +1A and force.
>>only paladins can take a banner for a jillion million points
>>I have one regular terminator with a banner that I spent a great deal of time and effort on
Some old bullshit. I guess I have to field paladins now? I sure love having no points ever.

>>52491945
How is Coteaz a Judas?

>>52492235
you're giving me flashbacks to all the fucking retards who couldn't understand this melee system back before the turn of the millennium

>>52492249
>>52492263
It doesn't make sense any other way.

Go look at the GK weapon rules. If sword gets -3, parry, AND str+2 while the only thing halberd gets is str+4 why would anyone pay 20 extra points for it?

If the str bonus counts for determining rend then it all makes sense.

>>52492265

Since Terminators cannot have a banner, it doesn't matter if his model is holding one: it will never provide any bonuses or cost any points.

And probably only GK players can spot the difference between a Terminator and a Paladin anyway. It's the helmet, right?

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>my face when running 2x5 paladins, 5 termies and draigo

>>52492203
I only question this because when playing my orks today my choppas did 0 AP even though they are user+1...by your logic that should make my boys Str 4 and therefore AP-1 but that's not what happened.

>>52492154
He's a coddled baby that was squatted in fluff

>>52492322
He appeared in Gathering Storm 3 to save the GK Triumvirate member. With the spreading of the Eye after Gathering Storm 1, Draigo is actually popping up more frequently now.

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Guys, rate my competitive 2k army. I heard that 'grav' was pretty good, but the only grav I know about is the contemptor Graviton blasters.

I just don't see how people seem to complain about grav so much. S3 Ap4 Haywire blasts aren't exactly OP.

>>52492289
if it's -5 then literally no one can save against it minus invuls...that's saying it's as strong as a melta gun basically

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>>52492344
I'll fight you

>>52492344
>competitive
>2k

I doubt that was part of your "joke".

>>52492366
> 7 Great Unclean Ones
> Against 10 Contemptors
I can't see this going well for the GUOs. What strength do they swing at? Either way I'd totally be game for it. Giant monster battles versus dreadnoughts are hilarious as shit.

>>52492265
You could just play GK in SWA.

>>52492395
GUO are all ML2 psykers

>>52492356
terminators get a 3+ on 2d6.

also well probably start seeing 1+ or 0+ saves like in fantasy with its save mods.

and yeah its kinda like a an old melta gun but things are changing. krak missiles are -5. lascannons are -6. so its not unprecedented.

>>52492395
well at 2k points I could bring 10 GUO all with a flails and rolling on biomancy

>>52489374
Wow way to 9/11 the moment

>>52492289
you pay the 20pts because when using Hammerhand you now have a user+4 D3 -1 wpn so that when you hit the MoN T6 chaos spawn you wnd on a 2+ and could potentially deal 3 wnds wiping it out.

I don't know that's my understanding of it anyways

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>>52487258
>She is white haired with red eyes
>Roboute is blonde with purple eyes
So their kids would look like melniboneans/valyrians?

>>52492445
Feels can't melt dank memes

>>52492448
End this meme

>>52492318
Str 4 is save modifier - you baka

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>>52489374
>April fool's!

>>52492294
Yeah. Helmet and an armor-topper doodad. I don't think it matters that much, but what a pointlessly difficult change.

>>52492415
Oh, I'm planning on it. I look forward to them selling the game a la carte.

>>52492483

Uhh...>>52491975

>>52491801
8th won't be 2nd edition you plebian

Shadow Wars is a 90 minute game with 20 models, they want 40k to be a 2 hour game with 2000 points of shit.

There's no way any of these will be in 8th

>>52489900
You should give your local store the middle finger and buy from Amazon and eBay for way cheaper

>>52492158
>no reason
>force glaive

are you retarded?

>>52492524
well already know some is. but its simpler stuff like the moveme movement stat and armour save mod instead of AP.

>>52492555

Amazon is even more expensive than GW's own store most of the time for some reason.

>>52487544
what are those shitty planes supposed to be

>>52487888
why not just play space marines?

>>52491665
By t dot?

>>52489900
skip the start collecting box, buy betrayal at calth, the codex, the rulebook and angels of death

>>52492569
>similar things means 8th will be a copy of 2nd edition

neck yourself, they won't add more rules bloat to the game, screen cap this

>>52492574
>>52492555
amazon is unregulated, FLGS have trade accounts with GW and have to obey GW pricing

>>52492574
In what fucking universe?
>>52492638
You say that like it's a bad thing

>>52492625
that's not what i said.
i just said we already know some stuff is in 8e.
So the claim that none of it will be is wrong.

>>52492715
>you say that like it's a bad thing

I see land raiders at 3x their price on amazon

I don't see discounts

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>>52492715

Unlike complete fucking morons like you, I don't:

- Make up easily discovered lies online that can be disproven by a simple search.
- Fail to search for things myself to easily verify things.
- Make a fucking fool of myself daily on /tg/ by being wrong all the time.

Maybe you should take some fucking notes.

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>>52492755
In New Zealand just about every company that resells products puts obscene markups on shit

>mfw I saw a baneblade in the local toy shop for 350 fucking dollars

top kek

When will Slaanesh get an update? Also, a restock on noise marines when?

>>52492828
Kakaphoni anon pls go

>>52492828
People actually buy the noise marine upgrade packs? I always figured conversions were the way easier way to go.

>>52492049
they dont stack.

>>52492828
Khorne got an update, Tzeentch got an update, Nurgle is about to get an update...

Logic dictates that Slaanesh is about to get an update.

>>52492893
post a picture of the rules

>>52492941
>gw
>logic

but anon, slaanesh doesn't sell

>>52492949
other way around, man

until we have the rules SAYING str+weapon mods stack, it's safer to assume things operate like 2e

otherwise we'll have silliness like chainfists with -12 mods

>>52492962
>chainfists shouldn't kill things

what planet do you live on

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Getting back into the hobby since I played 4e as a teenager. Man I forgot how much I hate painting, but I love the finished squad so much, feels so good. Fucking plastic crack man.

Also, how are superheavies vs knights? I want to bring my 1000 points of old dudes up to 1850ish and I want a big guy to bulk it out.

>>52492993
they rape them

>>52492993
Alot has changed since then. Method of painting especially so.

>>52493003
Which one rapes which?

>>52493004
Wait, people actually paint their shit now?

>>52492989
-7 ignores all saving throws

The only thing that can make an armour save against the chainfist is already going to be considering the invulnerable save instead once they're at 10+ on 2D6.

>>52493032
how do invulns work?

>>52492828
probably a few months if it keeps the pace of the other chaos god updates.

>>52493045
like 3e+, rather than 2e/fantasy's ward saves

They're just an unmodifiable saving throw you can choose to use instead of your armour. Terminators kept their 5++, but probably won't use it much.

>>52493058
so what the flip were you going on about 10+ 2d6 for

>>52493074
Terminators have a 3+ on 2D6 armour save
if one gets punched by a chainfist, his armour save becomes 10+ on 2D6

>>52493088
I get it now

Ask someone who ran Shadow war games all day today anything ( not as part of a campaign unfortunately but standalone skirmishes)

It might take me a while to respond but I'll get around to it

>new game is up for pre-order
>it's already sold out
Why do they do this? Same thing happened with Space Hulk. I want that dead Terminator and C.A.T. damnit!

>>52491801
Attacks habe save modifoers based om strength, so halbred guve 8 str which is -3 iirc

>>52493108
What country/state are you in

>>52493133
Cali

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>>52492470
>not wanting Yvry to ride Avenging Son's flaming sword

>>52493140
just making sure I didn't know you

did you guys play any missions? mostly we just ran kill points

>>52493117

Equipment distribution.

It's not that GW "under produces" or that GW "has more customers than they can handle", it's that GW makes products evenly, and EVERYONE wants Shadow War right now but GW is only dedicated X% of their machines and manpower to making that product. They still have to produce the other 99% of their product range, after all.

And Shadow War isn't just for Orks and Marines, almost every player interested in the game is buying it regardless of their 40k faction.

>>52493142
source

>>52493142
where is the rest

>>52493108
how much fun did you have? do you have a battle report or pictures?

>>52493160
I'm not him but I had a load of fun, I played one game and spent the rest of the day teaching.

Bottle tests are as swingy as they ever have been, really crazy things like one side is losing badly but they force a bottle test and pull a win out of their ass.

The new ammo check rework is really good, makes shooting less of a liability than it was in gorkamorka

>Thinning my paints because its a top meme
>Accidentally dip my brush in my whisky instead of my water without realising
>Carry on painting
>Carry on drinking
>realise once I go to dip my brush in again

fug

>>52493181
what's a little plastic between intestines

>>52493191
This stuff is surely less dangerous than booze right? I mean kids must eat this paint all the time.

>>52491801
>Demo charge and melta bombs deals 2d6 damage
>hammers d3
How MC are fucked if those rules in 8ed?

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>>52493142
hello fellow eldar friend queen Yvry is great isnt she but please dont think about her sexing with animals thas bestality

>>52493214
its fine. its waterbased paint not oil based paint.

>>52493214
Citadel paints are deliberately made so as to be non-toxic to kids and brushlickers. You could probably drink your paintwater and be perfectly fine.

Although as a side note, this isn't the case with Gloss washes, since they contain gasoline. You can actually get high by opening up a pot of nuln oil gloss and breathing in deeply from it.

>>52493152
I wonder how long it'll take them to make enough to last more than a few hours. I don't need the minis at all (I have a ton of orks and don't really need scouts unless someone wants to try them out), but I want everything else. Love having a physical book for rules.

>>52493228
>>52493234

Thanks doctor /tg/, also brb huffing nuln oil.

I wish Matt Ward would write the Ork or Nid codex.

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I wish the eldar craftworlds had more fluff like all they get is these guys like wraith constructs and these guys like snipers

>>52493270
>Eldar player complaining about fluff

Please.

>>52493214
in order to kill self from drinking paint or paint water you'd need to be doing it for decades on end.

>>52493251
you might get your wish soon, at the least we're in for a rebalancing. orks seem to be alright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5wTHZuk9mQ&t=0s

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>>52493226
> Highly hidden ears, but cute face and underboob
> Not enough ears to fap to.
On a worse day I'd fap to this, but man those ears are too tiny for my tastes. There's too big ears like warcraft elves, and then there's this where she just looks like she could have been a half-elf. It's quite adorable though.

>>52493270
You just got an entire book.

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>>52493156
>>52493159
http://saccade-rush.tumblr.com/

>>52493226
Primarch and noble astartes are not equal to lowly mon-keigh.

>>52493295
that was some extreme luck though.

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>>52493308
>>52493288
yes but the spess mahreens have entire seperate codecs for one chapter all I know about the craftworld I play is they are strict and like snipers....I kinda wish I choose biel-tan or ibriasel

>>52493331
wow this was more shit than I expected

>>52491793
Seems like a good time for 2 newb questions, since Skitarii looked cool to me:
1)Is there a difference between Admech and Skitarii, or is that sorta like how Tempestus Scions get their own codex but they're also part of the IG?
2)If you want to play them, is it easy enough to give your units different color schemes, or do other things to differentiate them, so they're not as annoying?

Would be better to give a Nurgle Prince the pandemic staff or the plauge bringer

>>52493423
Yeah It's basically like IG and Scions, the only problem is you are basically forced into getting both codexes as they are essentially one army. It's fucking obnoxious actually.

Obviously you don't have to paint them the same colour geedubs does.

>>52493142
But if he takes off the armor, will he die?

Do you think str will lower armor save like in fb? That would be absolute shit show.

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>>52493489
It will be extremely painful.

>>52493498
its pretty likely. we know save mods are in so its likely they carried that over to.

though they may only do it in cc, leave shooting with only the mod stat itself to use.
So the real armour busting is usually done up close.

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Someone at my LGS is selling some really old 2E tyranids for pretty cheap and it got me thinking of starting a classic tyranid army. The only problem is that I wouldn't be able to include any of the newer models like the harpy and the trygon simply because of how much contrast the sculpts would have. How shit would an army of gaunts, warriors, gargoyles, zoanthropes and screamer killers be?

>>52493543
i hate those colors, i can just hear Rembrant spinning in his grave

>>52493488
I just meant that, at least twice in this thread, people mentioned Admech armies being confusing as fuck to play against because they look too similar. Is this just salty meme-ing, or is there a way to make the army less annoying?

>>52493461
My vote would be the Staff, but that's due to my preference for princes to have ranged weapons. The Plague Bringer is better if you want straight melee value.

>>52493585
But the staff also gives +2 strength in cc

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Here's hoping that there's new Daemon Engines in 8th, especially ones that fill in more roles.

>>52493536
Sorry. I made the post for the (you).

>>52493498
>Do you think str will lower armor save like in fb?
Probably not.

I wouldn't be surprised if they borrow from AoS as far as how unit entries are set up, however. So (for example) a carnifexes scything talons would have a different set of stats to a hormagaunt's scything talons.

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>>52493617
For Ynnead!

>>52493606
i would love a silver tower of tzeentch or subjugator to fight knights and wraithknights

>>52493601
Yeah, but the Daemon weapon gives you a lot of extra attacks. Since they're both poisoned as well, that means you'll be re-rolling to wound against most targets and wounding a lot of the time anyway. The +2 strength would only really factor in for instant death on toughness 4 targets. That's good to have, but also depends on what you're fighting.

What kind of reactions would I get if I painted all my infantry as white guys and all the conscripts as black guys?