/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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>>52336303
Asking again

The devs keep pumping out terrible splats like Argonauts instead of giving people what would actually help them run Eclipse Phase - more modules

What is your favorite Scenario, /epg/? Official or fanmade.

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Post fuckable robots, do not jovepost.

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>>52336733
Post fuckable Jovians, do not robotpost

>>52336908

Also acceptable.

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>>52336303

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>>52336908

Who are /epg/s top tier waifus?

>>52339264
Pleasure pod with Sex Bot AI.

>>52339264
Friendly but yandere Seed AI.

>>52340605
Sick love is the worst kind of love. The only ones that want that kind of love are people who are themselves sick.

>>52336428
Modules are pointless.

>>52336428
Make your own adventure, faggot

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>>52339264

Red Velvet

>>52344809
What are the stats for that briefcase gun?

>>52336428
Just had a quick sweep of "The Devotees", only Scenario I've got, and Holy Fucking Shit.
I can see how the Devs are apprehensive about releasing new modules if they all require as much works as that.
Locations.
Characters.
The local Mesh.
A cohesive Plot.
And not to mention they have to accommodate quite a few ways in which the plot can go if they don't want to be railroading bastards.

>>52346472

Most of them are like that. Multiple steps of investigation, locations with maps, NPCs, backstory for the GM - optional plot elements. I think they spend a few years playtesting some of them at cons before publishing.

>>52346512
>I think they spend a few years playtesting some of them at cons before publishing.
Well, there's the reason why they don't publish Modules much.

Makes me wonder if /tg/ could even attempt a module of their own? Probably not. A single person making a small room with character? Sure. But an entire module spread across several people? Nope.

>>52346699

There's several fan-made scenarios in the OP - though I don't know how many of them add maps at least.

>>52341200
You're pointless

>>52342302
I just finished an adventure through your mother's cunt

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>>52346472
I don't buy this for a second.

Delta Green and Shadowrun, two similar games, have tons of modules, and more coming out every month. All with locations, characters, internet connections, a cohesive plot and multiple ways to complete them.

A more likely explanation is that the Eclipse Phase devs seem to have trouble finishing anything. Support for Singularity, the character generation software, was quietly dropped after release, without bug fixes or updates for content in the latest splats. Argonauts was months behind schedule and apparently had to be rewritten from scratch, and the end result still amounted to a pamphlet with very little content.

It may have something to do with the small size of the team and the way they hire freelancers for almost everything. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some kind of Catalyst Games style nonpayment of employees/writers going on behind the scenes that we didn't know about.

>>52339264
brown jovian infowar fujoshi

>>52348743

Can we build a better waifu?

>>52346807
>You're pointless
Nuh uh

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>>52336303
>"I exist only to shitpost" Edition

>>52349286
We have the technology.

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>>52336303

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4bfe37c9056f6

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/4c87bf18e89ff

Could technology from Eclipse Phase build a body like this one?

>>52349438
So ... psychosurgery. Could you use behavioral control with enforced shitposting on one of your enemies, causing him to go insane from psychological stress if he stops shitposting, even if he's a biomorph and needs to sleep at some point?

>>52349494
The only EP Clarketech is TITAN nonsense

>>52349494
Also, the understanding of muscle insertion demonstrated by these entries is bad

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>>52350737

>>52349788
I'd add Suryas and QE communications to that list

>>52350807
Right. Sorry. I was talking about the only EP stuff that I leave in. I removed surya so long ago that I sometimes forget it's there.

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>>52336733

>>52348743
What the fuck is a fujoshi

I refuse to google anything Japanese.

>>52339264
Bald Ultimate Powerbottom Muscle Girl

Anyone have a link to Argonuats?

>>52352929
Fujoshi - fan of yaoi male/male erotica for ladies and gay men.

>>52353080
Oh. Yaoi I recognise. God fucking damnit. Cheers.

>>52353080
Well, it's slightly more than that. It literally just means rotten girl, and usually means obsessive yaoi fans but it seems applicable to any female NEET to me.

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>>52353288
>female NEET to me

But Maritza Ortega isn't a NEET, she's gainfully employed with the SCI. Unlike the average infugee she doesn't lie around working on her back and sucking dick for a living yet

>>52354598
Yeah, well so far she's well on her way to being a firewall sentinel *cough*killbot-slut*cough*

>>52354862
I don't know what you're talking about, she I haven't written the third chapter yet so there's nothing to say here

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>>52352978
Yes please

I've changed design of H-Rep logfile. Hope, you'll like it.

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>>52359623
The fact that the Jovians think they're the ultimate defense against TITANS when there are literally people killing them with fists and swords is hilarious.

>>52359830
Mexicans always have an inflated opinion of themselves.

It's depressing to discover that all machines are objectively evil. Yes, even your clothes.

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>>52360930

>>52359830
>ultimates
>people
nice try frankenfreak

>>52361554
Non humans can be people, just like your precious military.

>>52360191
We are gonna build a Wall and let the Joves pay for it.

Make transhumanity great again!

>>52362011
>Non humans
Ultimates are superhumans if anything. The entire ideology is about refining the human body and mind to perfection.

>>52361554
You're the one choosing to be human instead of superhuman, that's pretty much antithetical to being human. The Ultimates really need to get around to exterminating all the genetrash in the system.

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>>52362081

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>>52362218
I find this image really fucking funny for some reason. The expression on the Trump bot combined with the text on the banner just kills me.

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>>52362236
well we can bet that no matter how our century goes, trump's brain will be kept by russian oligarchs after his death, and his reinstantiation as a proprietary media personality is nearly assured.

also
>in the panopticon everyone can see you shitpost
>make all of the virtuality loving surveillance indentures reeeeeee with analog rig

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>>52362509

I had an idea for an eclipse phase campaign.
Basically Firewall decides to try out a second form of "dedicated" cell/team structure other than erasure squads: Forced Entry And Recovery teams.

All the players would be told ahead of time the focus of the game would be heists and stealthy intrustion stuff, and the missions would revolve around stealing or destroying weird bullshit in secure locations, sometimes also acting as recovery teams to grab evidence of other firewall operations.
Thoughts?

>>52362590

That could be interesting and sensible. The Firewall field doctrine is "Study, Contain, Destroy". There would definitely be servers and cells devoted to those three things in a proactive sense.

Normally I don't know if Sentinels would need a fancy name for that sort of thing, but if you're campaign thesis is that this is kind of a pilot program for dedicated operations then that's fine.

>>52362622
Well, when I started thinking about it the main targets for these heists that came to mind would be stuff like private collections of oligarchs, scum swarms playing with stupid bullshit, naive argonauts, etc. etc.

>>52362656

Oh man, I can just feel the political bullshit for that sort of situation too. Like you're talking with the Medeans or ISET or something, and they're like "Yeah, so, for internal reasons we can't just go bust this guy because that'd be a whole thing - but if you could knock over and black bag his lab we will look the other way" and shit like that.

>>52348078
Makes sense. I know I have issues with finishing projects, especially big ones.
/EPG/, could we make random tables for each set of details? The planet, the hab, the local government, the local mesh, the basic plot and major players?
Because I think we can. After work.

>>52350737
>>52350795
Do not ever mix them up.
On the other hand, I once built a snek biomorph, so eh. Could've been penguins.

>>52362724
Yeah, the team would be saved for situations where there's no other way to get at something/someone, but the problem doesn't justify the use of an erasure squad.
"The president of this hab has some fractal goo shit in a bottle in his room, get it before something stupid happens."

>>52362590
I would play that game.

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>>52362656
this little bit of greentext always seemed to be great inspiration for a story with some scum or gatecrashers unleashing a crazy micro-TITAN, though I suppose that would be more of a job for an eraser squad

>>52336303

I split all the contents of Renegade Octopus' EP homebrew articles in 4 documents (2 campaigns, articles and Gatecrasher's Almanac) and changed design. Please, add this link to the next post top.

https://mega.nz/#F!bNAiwLIa!2CeHoUcquG-u1hzDPRqW3Q

>>52336303
Wow this picture really does sum up shit phase

>>52362082
Remades are a ground-up design. Safe to call it a different species.

>>52362736
I made the random server tables. I will help.

>>52361537
See what I mean? Those clothes are eating him.

>>52350832
>removed Surya
Muh nigga.

>>52353080
>and gay men
All of the gay men I've ever known laugh at it.

>>52353288
While it literally means that, you are wrong about how applicable it is. It only has anything to do with BL.

>>52369260
And all of the straight women you've ever known laugh at you

How would Solar System look like after Jovian victory?

>>52374426
Devoid of all life.

>>52374454
But pure!

>>52374477
Yes. Purely sterile. Unnaturally pure. A purity that offends God. How dare you, infidel?

>>52374496
Only by bringing it back to the state it was at the beginning can God begin the second Genesis, Anon. Jovian Apocalypism isn't a cult, damn it, it's a legitimate theological position.

>And the Solar System was without form, and devoid of life; and God saw that it was good.

>>52374661
Only God should have the power to wipe the slate clean. Any man who tries the same infringes on God's territory, and therefore must DIE.

>>52374699
I don't wanna spend all day quoting scripture to a godforsaken papist who probably thinks splicers are actually human, but:

>So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him.
>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and rape the earth, and subdue it.

>>52374733
At one time I thought I understood /epg/'s sarcastic space-christian sectarianism, but clearly the nuances elude me

>>52374733
Oh, great. If there's one thing I hate more than Jovian hypocrites, it's Scumvangelists pretending to be Jovian hypocrites. Get ye gone, Scumvangelist.

>>52362509
What the fuck is going on in here?

>>52349494
... What the fuck am I reading?

>>52379769
Posthumans posting humorously

>>52379947
You punny bastard.

>>52349494
> Clark Kent

Kek

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>>52346699
>Module
The only god damn module we need is Solarian War in which 40 million highly trained Jovian Soldiers are unleashed on Sol System and reclaim the planets and Earth in the rightful name of humanity from the filthy hands of the transtrash. Battles from Mars to Luna, orbital bombardment of vile inhuman settlements and finally triumph as Jovian soldiers plants flag on ruins of Washington DC beginning Earth Reconquista.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk

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>>52349494
>thought that there was a typo
http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/495360fba7a46
>mfw

>>52374838
Fuck you, we're neo-Calvinists

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BLG-092L b is newly discovered and classified exoplanet reachable by Martian Pandora Gate.
The planet itself is terrestrial with toxic atmosphere. However the Gate itself is located within a 10 square mile habitable dome inhabited by what seems to be a crude copies more or less resembling humans ignorant of Gatecrashers.
Closer examination revealed that this is a replica of 20th century Icelandic television show. Why TITAN's would do this and for what purpose is unknown. Extreme caution is advised as two teams who stayed there for a night have vanished. Planet is currently under quarantine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttQaSP_g2mE

>>52380878
I'm a bit ashamed to admit it, but if I ever have the opportunity to deploy an arbitrary number of my character's forks as an army, I'll make sure to play "We are Number one" while doing so.

>>52380945
TITAN creations look like THIS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8iZ0HlzgUc

>>52380945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYnvDL0Qcw

Well, since we're Orionposting, this is basically Jovepost: The Movie.

http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/483ae5827604f

>>52381362
>http://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/483ae5827604f
Transhumanists always see people not subscribing to their ideology as silly and non-intelligent.
This will be their undoing.

>>52380689
Karen Traviss please stop posting.

>>52381512
It's not the luddism that's the target of this disdain. It's how the luddites think they're hot shit and wave their dicks all the time to the point of self-parody. That's what's so humorous about joveposting and that link.

>>52377127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMOPfXYsbbQ

What augmentations (Bio, Nano, Cyber, otherwise) that you can think of that aren't already covered in the official material or the homebrew catalogues?

>>52381362
Wow, this site is cringe. I shouldn't be empathizing with Space North Koreans, and yet here we are.
http://www.orionsarm.com/page/232

>>52381935
>>52384005
>we Transhumanists are so smart and enlightened, everyone else is so stupid

>>52365049
If they were really ground up, they wouldn't look exactly like people. They're top down perfecting.

>>52385070

Yeah, I think the way to look at the Remade is like "okay, what is all the stupid shit we got because natural selection is a sledgehammer, not a scalpel - fuck all that shit". Like, a Splicer is rid of genetic errors and defects, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't limited by the "normal" of the human system. The Remade is all the best, most efficient and effective genes of the human with the weaknesses all removed or worked around.

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Why can't railguns fire hollowpoints?

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>>52385930
I can dump the rest of >le photobash meme man's concept art for CoD if anyone wants it.

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>>52386006
Sure, why not.

>>52386006

Is there an actual human in that monstrosity? If so, who in their wrong mind put shot traps aimed at your temples?

>>52384264
>How dare you want something for yourself that I don't likewise desire
>Your existence is insufferable to me, you and all others that share your views must die
you're so much more reasonable

>>52385987
Because the devs are noguns and noSTEM.

>>52386206
>>52386147
>>52386426
>>52386441
>external ribbon cables
What year am I in?

>>52386916
They're prototypes? I don't know man. What the fuck did you expect from call of duty?

>>52387112
It's the artist, not Activision, that is at fault. This guy obviously has a lot of artistic leeway.

>>52386408
>Not having insulator on the front of the rails to prevent it from welding to passing objects
>>52386426
Two triggers
>>52386441
What is this?

>>52386141
I think those are ERA tiles.

>>52386141
It's a robot.
>falling for the shot trap meme
Those plates don't even seem to be strongly enough mounted to be a shot trap.

>>52388548
They're energy weapons. I dunno, maybe the two triggers operate two different firing modes? If it's worth anything, the gun in game only has one trigger.

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>>52391350
>The things I do to protect our people.
>Sleeving for infiltration makes you lazy
>Disguise is an artform

>>52381935
That and people forgetting that the republic is all about transhumanism if you're part of the elite. Genuine bioconservatives would want nothing to do with them.

>>52390537
>Energy weapons with barrels, banana mags, and things that look vaguely like flash hiders.
What a time to be alive

>>52392029
>sci-fi isn't accurate
>a new thing

Nigga are you serious?

>>52392049
>Calling that nonsense sci-fi
You're funny

>>52392029
You seem to be lost, firearm autismo board is over there -> >>>/k/. Happy to be of help and welcome to 4chan!

>>52392029
>barrels
Gotta put them emitters in some kind of linear alignment for projection.
>banana mags
Great, don't need to make new vests/pouches/learn new hand movements
>flash hiders
It's a "particle projection density modulation nozzle", sir.

>>52386230
Why did you just post a bunch of stuff transhumanists say?

>>52393386
Literally a "no u", your daddy must be proud.

>>52393666
Fuck Satan I Have 17 Bibles.

>>52393737
Even the Devil can cite Scripture for his purposes. Begone, lesser imp. The power of Christ compels you.

>>52392989
>implying /epg/ isn't all types of autistic

>>52386283
Is that a fucking PLC in the stock?

>>52394844
The fuck is a PLC?

>>52394925
Programmable logic controller.

>>52395022
Nigga its just a fancy box.

>>52380762
Was OA ever non shit, or was I just too young to know the difference?

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>>52354238
>it took two full revisions and nearly three years

>to write this

>>52394844
That has to be the battery.

>>52393087
>Gotta put them emitters in some kind of linear alignment for projection.
So does a camera.

>>52393087
>>banana mags
>Great, don't need to make new vests/pouches/learn new hand movements
Utterly trivial. Not worth the design trade-off. Plus tons of guns already have uncurved magazines.
>>flash hiders
>It's a "particle projection density modulation nozzle", sir.
Having that look like someone who doesn't know what a flash hider is but saw a picture once's conception of a flash hider is like putting square wheels on a car.

>>52396872
Probably a fuel cell

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>>52394832
only five topics really matter to /epg/
>Passenger space on space craft is absurd and you know it!
>It's unfair that Jove is in poor favor with most other factions despite being actively hostile to all of them!
>Using slights anywhere at all will make OZMA kill squads instantly burst out of the walls!
>If I can recognize any technological elements in an image as such its not futuristic enough, luddite!
>Robosluts are the best kind of sluts, second only to jovian prison bitches.

>>52395695
Hey don't mock them anon, you don't know how hard it is to write a pamphlet about university ethics procedures. It isn't like every college on the planet has one available to- wait, shit, FUCK

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>>52398084
Don't be such a faggot.

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>>52398084

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>>52336303
From the man who brought you the classic that started it all

Comes a tamer and overall more boring version of the same character

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>>52398084

Accurate

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>>52398500
Inaccurate

>>52398199
Anyone who is quoted in this image should go kill themselves.

I'll go first.

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>>52398540
I know that feel. I'm quoted in that image twice.

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The EP game I was in for 2 years recently ended but I'm still wanting to play around with my character. Do any of the current EP modules lend themselves to solo play?

>>52399015
Don't think so, but I've found the random character generation process in Transhuman to be a nice pastime. Not exactly what you're looking for, but perhaps you could try generating a party for your character and then GMing a scenario for yourself.

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>>52399288
Thanks. I figure I could use a GMEmulator with one of the modules. Maybe roll a d100 for the probability of a traitor in the group and things like that.

If I get desperate I could probably just refluff the solo play tables in scarlet heroes.

>>52362736
Let's do this. Here's my proposal for a habitat location table. The probabilities are a rough approximation of population distributions plus my lazy guesswork. Feel free to suggest any adjustments you find appropriate.

Roll d100 for an all caps location, then roll d100 on the location sub-table(entries below what you got with a dash), then maybe roll d100 again(greentext entries below whatever you got on the second roll).

00 SOL-MERCURY
-00-12 Solar Corona
-03-24 Solar Orbit
-25-49 Vulcanoid
-50-99 Mercury
>00-33 Underground
>34-66 Surface
>67-99 Orbit
01-02 VENUS
-00-09 Underground
-10-14 Surface
-15-49 Aerostat
-50-99 Orbit
03 EARTH
-00 Interdiction Zone
>00-24 Underground
>25-49 Undersea
>50-74 Surface
>75-99 Low Orbit
-01-75 Orbit
-76-99 Earth-Sol Lagrange point
04-14 LUNA
-00-44 Underground
-45-69 Surface
-70-89 Orbital
-90-99 Earth-Luna Lagrange point
15-54 MARS
-00-09 Underground
-10-84 Surface
-85-89 Orbital
-90-99 Martian Trojans or other Lagrange point
55-58 INNER FRINGE
59-65 MAIN BELT
65-75 JUPITER
-00 Aerostat
-01-10 Orbital
-11-80 Jovian Moon
>00-19 Ganymede
>20-29 Europa
>30-39 Callisto
>40-90 Reagan cylinder moonlet
>91-98 Other minor moon
>99 Io
-81-99 Jovian Trojans or other Lagrange point
76-95 SATURN
-00 Aerostat
-01 Ringer
-02-14 Orbital
-15-89 Titan
>00-32 Underground
>33-64 Surface
>65-99 Orbital, Trojans or other Lagrange point
-90-99 Other Saturnian Moon
96 URANUS
-00-29 Aerostat
-30-59 Orbital, Trojans or other Lagrange point
-60-99 Uranian Moon
97 NEPTUNE
-00-29 Aerostat
-30-59 Orbital, Trojans or other Lagrange point
-60-99 Neptunian Moon
98 OUTER FRINGE
99 EXTRASOLAR SYSTEM

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>>52399734
Fuck me, I got Saturn all fucky. Obviously 02-14 on its subtable should read " Orbital, Trojans or other Lagrange point", and 65-99 on Titan should just read "Orbital". Shitty copypasting skills.

Also, as a quick followup, here's a pair of habitat type table. Roll on them appropriately to what you got from the first two-three rolls(ignore this if you've already got the habitat type from the previous table).

Space habitat type table:
00-14 Beehive
15-24 Bernal Sphere
25-59 Cluster
60-69 Cole Bubble
70 Hamilton Cylinder
71-84 O'Neill Cylinder
85-89 Tin can
90-99 Torus

Planetary/moon surface habitat type
00-19 Dome
20-98 Tin can
99 Unshielded

>>52399957
just goes to show that a strong psychic can have a perfectly good time on post-fall earth because even if they aren't an exsurgent sleeper they'be bound to be crazy enough to groove with the TITANs

>>52399980
It looks like you have O'Neill Cylinders being more common than tin can habs, which is so ass-backwards that I can't even. Explain this bullshit immediately.

>>52400201
My initial instinct was the same as yours, but the core rulebook as I understand it claims they're something of a throwback and house few people each. It also states that the most common micrograv habitats are clusters.

>>52400201
>>52400321

Yeah, surface Tin Cans are probably more common than spatial ones, almost anybody still alive in space worth noting would probably transition to a Cluster of some variety if only just for volume.

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>>52398540
I invented Rape Ape. And I am proud of it.

>>52399288
In fact, let's gen a character right now.
Give me 1d10 for aptitude.

>>52400321
I would imagine they'd still be more common than O'Neill Cylinders. They're much cheaper, and the low population is irrelevant in this case. This isn't a 'where does this random transhuman live' table, it's a 'what is this random habitat like' table.

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Is a campaign where you play Jovian Special Forces Squad aimed at operations behind enemy transhuman lines in Outer Planets interesting ?

>>52381362
The problem with this is that compared to OA, transhumanists and Jovians aren't that far apart in terms of ability, in fact Jovians are often better trained and have better skilled, have better tech and their elites don't shy away from enhancing soldiers, intelligence or scientists when it serves the purpose of protecting their state and population.

Jovians vs Transhumas is not a decided match, in fact one could argue that Jovians are actually better adapted to post-Fall situation.

>>52400553
It's about as interesting as the last ten times you posted this

>>52391384
>That and people forgetting that the republic is all about transhumanism if you're part of the elite.
Not really, they do not seek enhancements for itself, but to protect humanity.
In fact in view that most transhumans might become TITAN flesh puppets, in the long run(millenia or so) the survivors could be post-human Jovian shepherds protecting pure human population who they view as their flock.

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>>52400714
Good to know.

>>52400553
I'd play it

>>52348078
To put the dog down, I work for them at conventions and I've never had any trouble being paid well and promptly by Posthuman Studios. I've also never heard of any problems from freelancers, and I'm friends with many of them. Don't forget that multiple principle members of Posthuman left Catalyst while that stuff was coming to light.

Their slow release schedule is partially because their standards are so high when it comes to modules, partially because they playtest extensively, but mostly because the principle members have primary jobs. Also, with such a varied setting they want play groups to develop their own forms of play and content to focus on.

>>52400913

Any insight on why Argonauts took like two years and several sets of writers before one of the core PS guys had to sit down and write it himself or is that going to be one of the great "the world may never know"s?

>>52401007
Yeah, no clue. I assume it was put on the back burner because the content wasn't there, then they rushed it because it was years since they promised it would be released.

They usually create where they have good content, which is why I think the Kickstarter was a mistake. While I like Argonauts because I like dry writing, I think most people agree that the content still isn't great in what was released.

>>52400913
>Also, with such a varied setting they want play groups to develop their own forms of play and content to focus on.

"We want the players to do it themselves" is a great way to ensure it never gets done, which in this case means the game never gets played. The setting and complexity of Eclipse Phase are enormous barriers to entry for people new to the system, and the dearth of published material on actually running the game, nevermind the "plot hooks" or "adventure seeds" that every splat has in abundance, only compounds that.

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>>52346472
The Devotees wasn't written by Posthuman. It was written by Caleb Stokes of RPPR.

>>52402198
True. A lot of Gatecrashing was written by Ross and Caleb, and TS Luikart from The One Ring. Same with a lot of supplements.

>>52400359
Can you really say you "invented" Rape Ape?

Even so, you should be proud of the EP incarnation thereof.

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>52400449

>in every game where I announce that there will be a lot of tactical combat and operating operatingly
>there is always this one faggot that insists on making a "pure melee" character
>despite all the warnings that he'll literally bring a knife to a gunfight
>out of CQC gets shot to shit before he runs up to the enemy
>in CQC lands a few stabs and then gets sprayed at point-blank range, unless he's lucky and the enemy is alone
>either quickly dies or does nothing meaningful
>bitches about "balance" and unfairness on my part after

I keep booting them, but they just won't stop coming. What in the actual fuck.

>>52406199

You know Point Blank isn't a huge bonus, and firing while in a melee is a huge penalty, right?

>>52406261
It's +10 and -30. Chump change even by itself. In melee they apply simultaneously, which makes it a -20, which can be reduced even further by (dirt cheap) laser sights, quick action aiming or autofire. In the last case it evens out with additional dice due to higher MoS possibility. Hell, nothing even forbids you from just stepping away and shooting.

>>52406261
The penalties from shooting into melee are exactly cancelled out by the stack of bonuses the firer gets
>Firing into melee -30
>Smartlink +10
>Point Blank +10
>Quick Action to Aim +10

The shooter gets two attacks (two single shots or two bursts) for every one the melee attacker gets

The shooter's attacks are half as likely to be dodged (half fray) as the melee attacker's (full fray)

>>52407678
So basically, you're just confirming the meme of how hopelessly under powered melee is

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Anyone else miffed by the weapons rules in the core book? I find it hard to believe that with crazy future space tech, caseless ammo and small nanofabricators that we haven't managed to cram more than 30 rounds into an assault rifle, or more than 50 into what's supposed to be a SAW.

>>52408575
It's not a meme. It's hopelessly underpowered.

>>52407678
>>52406437

The game doesn't really comment on it, so here's a logical question for you.

Do you actually get both the penalty for being in a melee and the point blank bonus? Because, for example, you don't apply both the penalty for low-light and being blind. If you're in a situation where somebody is up inside your firing, where it's so hard to bring your weapon to bear on them, why would you also get the bonus to hit them because they're close? The whole point of the penalty is that they're too close for you to put your gun on because they're trying to slap you.

>>52411765
Yeah, you kind of have to use your brain and realize that point blank is for, like, having a gun to someone's head, or otherwise having the drop on them, not for someone being actively in your face with a vibro-knife or whatever.

>>52409115

AUGC is for you, my friend.

Though extended mags are pretty basic shit, and offer basically no penalty to use other than a little dosh.

>>52398084
...And yet it's still one of the better generals. Somehow.

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>want to chew out joveposter for being a shit
>remember joveposter is a 40 year old man with no job and no social life living off welfare and joveposting is his only respite in life

>>52398199
>neotenic futas

Oh shit, I remember that shit. Where did neotenic-shitposting go? Is it completely replaced with jove-shitposting?

>>52401684
>dearth of published material on actually running the game,
Fuck have we actually got for GMs to use? All I can recall is the back of the Core has a chapter for GMs only, but is that really helpful to anyone?

Never run a game myself, yet, so wouldn't mind some thoughts on that.

>>52404965
Wow, someone actually replied?
>Extrovert

Now give me a 1d100

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>>52412920
well that pic does raise a good question.
>which is the best trap morph
>ayah (male)
>modified neotenic
>pleasure-pod

>>52413705
Given that Pleasure Pods can tweak their sex(ual characters)-shifting to be "both" and "neuter" along with either end of the proverbial pole, one would think they'd have an advantage in producing a body that looks pretty much entirely female, but lacks breasts and has male jibblies without too much trouble.

So I'd say advantage: PP.

Of course, custom modified morphs can have an edge if you spend enough time and money growing them, in theory, too. It's just that almost any PP that's so inclined could probably do a pretty damn good job of "trapping" (reverse or otherwise).

Rolled 62 (1d100)

>>52413481
>>52413481

>>52413814
>Chinese
Good, now a a 1d10

Rolled 2 (1d10)

>>52413851

>>52413859
>Wholesome Youth
Nice. Now a 1d10 to find out where we spent our childhood.

Rolled 5 (1d10)

>>52413902

>>52413934
>Orbital
Though we are ethnically Chinese, we never actually grew up there. How interesting.
Another 1d10, to find out what our lifestyle was like.

Rolled 4 (1d10)

>>52413986

>>52413999
>Orbital colonist
Born and raised in orbit, looking down upon the dirt-streaked marble that was earth. You were kept safe and whole when the Fall happened.
But I wonder. did you fly up the beanstalk as the Earth Fell? Or did you watch from above, alike to an impotent reader of a story unfolding as the Earth blackened and burnt? We'll find out yet. But not right now.
Give me a 1d100 to find out the one event that you have let, through choice or otherwise, define you.

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>52414104

Rolled 95 (1d100)

>>52414104
Oops, fucked that up.

>>52414154
>Tormented by bullies as a kid, you learn to stand up for yourself.
Though you were most definitely from the upper classes of humanity, you quickly realized that there were higher echelons yet. And their children took a shine to you. Though never physical, they surely tormented you. Eventually you accepted that you could bring no harm to them without harming yourself, if you were recgonized. It was simpler than you could have ever thought. This was before the time of spimes, so when you covered yourself in refugee scraps and bruised their muscles and broke their bones, the refugees were vilified and you struck up a friendship your oncewhile-tormentors over how best to extract revenge over the ingrates.
You never forget the feeling of using your body as a weapon.

Give me 2d10 so we can start figuring out how old you are.

>>52413986

There were quite a few Chinese off-world projects Pre-Fall. Military bases, colonies on Mars and Luna, zero-g industry, etc.

>>52414334
I always keep on saying that I'm going to read the Core again, but honestly, I just simply can't keep all the details together at once. Still, might give it a try later on.

Thanks for the info, though.

Rolled 7, 3 = 10 (2d10)

>>52414331
What if I don't want to beat up refugees?

>>52414373
>What if I don't want to beat up refugees?
>Post-Fall
>actually caring about baseline trash
Don't worry, you honed your Savvy playing both sides of the field. Letting both think that you were on their side and theirs alone. All that talk with the enemy, the 'other'? That was you keeping up appearances. Playing the double-agent, feeding them false info. You were always on their side, sometimes.

>73 Years old.
Getting old there nanhai, but you have your parents to thank for getting you spliced at birth, so you don't look like the Flats do at this age. Still, at 73 Years old you must have seen a lot of things, but I bet you never saw the Earth burn until then, eh?

Give me a 1d10 to see what you did between your childhood and when the Earth Fell.

Rolled 6 (1d10)

>>52414516

>>52414626
And again.

Rolled 3 (1d10)

>>52414706

>>52414719
>Indenture
>Bot Jammer
Seems like you wanted to get physical, but one body wasn't enough for you. So you turned to Jamming. You learnt how to control several bots at once, and the ensuing data storm that comes with it, then you went pro.
It started out simple. You piloted 3 humanoid bots and set a challenge for anyone to defeat your team in a 3v3 battle. You made a decent amount of change from the entry fee, built some rep from the Meshcasts, and your parents overlooked this as an adventure of youth.

And then someone took a look at what you were doing, said to themselves that they could do this bigger and better than you, and then did it.

You were swept away by a bigger, more bombastic competition that really spun the idea of Jammers v. Jammers. That way the battles could get really vicious. Really played into and encouraged that bloodlust people had but no idea what to do with.
On that day you got a better idea of how the little people viewed the bigger people. You also made some friends with the little people.

In the end you turned to Jamming for pay. Maybe to explore the Habitats springing up? Maybe to tinker with Bots and learn how to lose yourself in the metal whilst living in the meat? Either way you did what you did. And what you did was travel and Jam.

You succeeded and you failed. You learnt and you beat against the iron wall. You were security for up-coming debutantes who wanted to inflate their own importance, you were the hands that built, and the hands that held back the rioting masses of humanity. Your entourage was built up and modified and lost and borrowed and repaired and so many other things.

Until that day you left them all behind to stop the beanstalk car being overloaded with the screaming, crying meat of humanity.

...

But let's talk about happier days. Give me 1d100 to see what the most memorable event of your adult life was. Prior to the Earth being blackened, of course.

Rolled 64 (1d100)

>>52415065
Dice

>>52400359
You should namefag as ThatSlav.

>>52415110
>You experience a deadly vehicle accident. Lose 10,000 from your starting credit and roll randomly on the Choosing a Morph table.

...

Happy days indeed.

Give me 2d100 to find out what the fuck you re-sleeved as and time for me to figure out how to spin this as a story.

Rolled 46, 65 = 111 (2d100)

>>52415228
Maybe it was a decompression accident after a bot fight went horribly awry.

>>52415276
The bookie lost a lot on one of your fights, so an accident was arranged.

>>52415276
>Biomorph
>Ruster

Running security for the Martian Terraforming Hypercorps was a dangerous job, you knew that. You weren't even forced into it, there were plenty of jobs that could use a few more hands. It wasn't even close to the hotspots. Though you shouldn't have taken that as a guarantee that you were safe.
So many woulda coulda shoulda.
So many ways you could have lived. But you died.
A ego-driven smart rocket hit the hab where you were jamming your bots from.
Your body was lost, your stack recovered, and you were resleeved as a Ruster. Gratis from the Hypercorp for giving your life in the path of duty.
You had to work for two decades for those bastards before you could afford the genehacks to remove the obsolescence processes they built the morph with.
You left with a hatred of Mars, a hatred for Mars Hypercorps, a little bit of knowledge of how life was like for Rusters, a Mars-born body that could actually leave Mars (which sometimes raises the ire of those who could not), and the bots the Hypercorp loaned to you (stripped of Hard and Software, no chances taken).
Fuck Mars.

...

Now. We're nearing the end and reaching the Now. You remember leaving all your bots behind as a rearguard as you ascended the beanstalk, but did that actually happen? Roll a 1d100 to discover how you survived the fall. If you did at all.

Rolled 43 (1d100)

>>52415607

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>>52412887
>implying there is only one Joveposter

>>52417148
Jovians don't do forking, though.

>>52417301
Jovians make copies of themselves the old fashioned way

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Daily reminder that an average Jovian soldier has encountered and fought TITAN war machines, exhuman abominations, waged battles in irradiated wastelands in the shadow of nuclear explosions, survived the Fall and has over 10-15 years of combat experience from wars that killed off the most weak soldiers.
A Jovian Soldier is pinnacle of human combat.
Even core books admit that a pair of Minervan operatives can easily infiltrate and destroy transhuman habitats due to their immense skill and unmatched combat experience.

As Jovian Republic is on constant war footing, we can estimate their soldier population in active duty to be around 20 % percent, making it 8 million best soldiers in the Solar system with probable 10-15 million in reserve.

The inhuman trash has no chance.

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>>52417360
>Jovians make copies of themselves the old fashioned way
Dats Rite!

>>52417372
Capture some. Use psychosurgery to turn that experience loyal to your goals. Create some forks. Give them combat morphs. Now you have even better soldiers, which can be replaced with an easy resleeve instead of raising and training new ones from scratch.

>>52416738
>You do what you can to help, but you still lose almost everyone in your life.

You're certain that you are you. That you left Earth alone in a beanstalk car that should have been filled with friends and family.That you left Earth in a body that wasn't yours.
The robot piloting skills you developed over the decades should have done something to protect those you loved and cherished. But it did nothing. Nothing at all.
Dozens upon Dozens of bots were thrown at the TITANS, some were your own stock, others you hijacked from less-deserving people. You pick up a gun and fire at head-harvesters, they escape. A dozen bots are programmed to escort your father, they are hijacked and drag him away. You code a databurst into every bot you control, commanding them to charge the enemy and die in a burst of fire, and when you turn back, the people you met all those years ago when BotFight got started, your friends, are dead in so many ways.

And so in the end you are alone in a beanstalk car, a sack of torn out stacks in one hand, a gun in the other, sharing the car with the crying, bleeding humans that have survived.

You wish you weren't you.

Now, roll me 3d10 to see where you went after the beanstalk.

>>52417574

>inb4 "invincible jovian baseline infantry can never be captured and mind-edited under any circumstance. TITANs? Never won shit - we were so good at fighting them, we left earth for fun. Other powers in the solar system with better tech pipelines, more population and similar or better military readiness? We we could take all of them. Now let me tell you about how the Ultimates are gonna capture all the Pandora Gates in Sol..."

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>>52417574
>Capture Jovian soldiers
>Use Psychosurgery
>Suddenly the Jovian soldiers laugh as Exsurgent virus is activated and your whole habitat turns into orgy of pained meat and machine
>while its systems are down Jovian frigate approaches and nukes it from existence

You are welcome.

It's like playing a playground game.

>"Nuhuh, you can't shoot me, I have a force field."
"Nuh-uh, I use a laser, I made the "pew" sound, so it goes through shields!"
>"Nuh-uh..."

>>52417647

Eh, the Ultimates being able to capture all the Pandora gates is halfway almost possible, because the nature of the Pandora gates is that they are the mother of all chokepoints. Ultimates can sit on the other side and pew-pew anyone who tries to come across. With that sort of defender advantage it barely matters how good your scoldiers are. You could be using barely trained Nigerian child soldiers and still have a fair shot at holding it. That the Ultimates are good soldiers makes it more scary a prospect.

Actually getting them all in the first place to reach that point would be incredibly difficult, but its still possible given that they already get paid to guard a few. And if they did manage it, freeing the Pandora gates would be incredibly difficult. Though its more likely they'd only manage it for the outer system rather than being able or wlling to directly challenge the Hypercorps. Though given the Hypercorps probably wouldnt share either, its basically the same result for 90% of humanity.

There's a difference between an unlikely but plausible scenario and the Jovians trying to warp reality with the intense power of nonsensical propaganda, as if their president is Space Donald Trump.

>>52417669
thats stupid, even for a joveposter.
>Damn dirty transhumans put us all at risk with their infection prone cyberbrains
>well sure show them by preemptively infecting our own soldiers with the exsurgent virus as a trap for them
>it will work exactly like a perfectly directed cyber-attack, one that we ourselves are incapable of enacting
>and most of all, it will make our outdated navy tactically viable

>>52418044

I don't really find the situation plausible - though. Discord is basically theirs, and while angry Autonomists (with many Anarchists having a background in militant groups pre-fall) are masters of asymmetric Xiphos is also right there next to Fissure.

But Pandora and Mars are right on top of the epicenters of two practical superpowers in the Solar System, with top tier tech and forces and that chokepoint shit goes both ways. They're also in planetary systems with active TITAN Quarantine activity, and as far as we know the Ultimates don't really have "Fleet" assets - and the Consortium and Commonwealth would easily burn down their facilities and build them again if the Ultimates came close to holding them. This again, assumes they can get through the PC or TC sphere of influence which is several hundred km of space out from their planet in all directions and the hardened defensive positions in that local vicinity. The Gates themselves are nigh indestructible and self-repairing.

Vulcanoid is not as well protected, but has seen attacks and beefed up security and is funded by a lot of non PC hypercorps trying to keep up, so it's probably pretty well off and logistically is really goddamn far from any Ultimate base of operations. Lot of time and lag to move forces and supplies in enough force to warrant a strike and hold.

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>>52417372
they got half of those gous at best, with the rest dispersed through the other factions. And while jovians might be hard, their counterparts are immortal killbots that get better benefits packages than jove can pay for.
>Terminator-in Consortium military he would be a cook

>>52404826
Do you got the geography of any other planets?

>>52421403

Not on me, but IIRC I pulled that image off the wiki, I'll see if they have more.

IRL geography of the major planets is pretty easy to find if you want just the names of major terrain features (which is usually fun - Titan's geography is all named from shit in LotR and Dune)

>>52421453
I'd kinda like to see where the major settlements are though.

>>52421479

Well, there's landscape maps of Mars, Luna and Titan in the books - they're just very large, and awkward to read and don't do the topography. Those are probably the only places where it really matters, Venus geography doesn't really interact with the aerostats' locations.

>>52420307
Would the soles of those pants become dirty? Why the fuck is anyone wearing stirrup pants in the future? Why do these pants even exist?

Rolled 10, 2, 8 = 20 (3d10)

>>52417596

>>52428311
>You get the job done
>Stay on the path
>Mix it up
And now 2d10 to find your Post-Fall Focus and Faction.

Rolled 4, 6 = 10 (2d10)

>>52428363

>>52428525
>Con Artist
>Indenture
An one more 1d10 to find out what subsect of Indentures you fell in with.

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post dropships

>>52429114
I'll take that one for a game of mine. Thanks!

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>>52429227

Are there any rules for vehicle-sized weapons? A rover-mounted heavy machine gun, anti-vehicle emplacements or such? And if yes, could you mount them on larger synthmorphs like the Fenrir?

>>52430256

Yeah, though usually for spacecraft. x2, x5 and x10 damage based on the size. There's no explicit rules for mounting them on Large/Very Large shells though.

Rolled 8 (1d10)

>>52428562

>>52430977
>Sifter
So, after you lost your friends, families, and bots on Earth you found yourself on Mercury, sifting soil and rock for metals. You worked in a mindless daze for years before you woke up to where you were and what you were doing. And you decided that this was not the job for you.
There weren't any bots for you to jam with on Mercury, the hyperelites didn't trust their indentures with that amount of tech. So you fell back on old, old habits. Making friends and poking open the divide of "us vs. them". You remembered and learnt how people spoke and acted, how people tried to hide what they knew and the common gambits people set up when they expected subterfuge.
It took years again but you eventually got to where you are now. You're trusted by the sifters and their overseers, and the gatemen of Cannon and those who live within it. You don't so much work as network now. You keep the workers happy by acquiring contraband for sort-of reasonable barter, you help the hyperelites keep unions and insurgencies small and manageable. You've convinced both sides that your're their friend and that it's best if the "other" continued to believe that that "they" were your friends as well.
But you never forget that the only friend you are is to yourself.

...

Quite a turn of fortunes and the making of juices from lime.

We are at the here and now right now now now. Please tell me the last event that happened between Earth-Fall and now. Give me a 1d100 to speak.

>>52411831
>having a gun to someone's head only gives +10

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>>52407678
Oh hey are we talking about combat bonuses and how shit a job Posthuman did at proofreading?

>Defender hidden: -60
>Blind attack: -30

EITHER
>Covering your eyes gives you +30 to hit a hidden target
OR
>A target that's invisible is even harder to hit if it's also hiding

>>52431887

I think Blind is "you know where he is, you just can't see shit" and hidden is "That motherfucker invisible"

>>52431942
So an invisible target is harder to hit if you're also blind?

>>52432013

Well, the max you can go is -60 overall, but possibly? Sadly, despite all the oodles of rules, most of the combat modifiers aren't elaborated on in the book. But yeah, if somebody has an invisibility cloak on, or is behind a wall so you have no idea where he is, and also you can't see shit anyway that might stack. GM has some flexibility, I guess.

>>52431887
>You can't see, but are aware of a target
vs
>You don't know what you're even aiming for
makes sense to me.

>>52432013
How doesn't that make sense? If they were just invisible you might be able to pick up some telltales (leaving footprints, disturbing smoke, etc), but if you can't see any of that it's even harder.

The real hard part is telling what vision penalties apply when the shooter is a Gargoyle or similar walking sensor suite.

>>52432670

Well, hidden can still apply - thanks to stealth tech, but yeah, if you've got Radar/Lidar out the wazoo or whatever then you're not blind - unless there's radar interference or a smoke cloud. This I think is why the game has more detail on sensor types and fields. Like, if you've got E Vision and an X-Ray emitter, depending on the structures not even "walls" will hide an enemy.

>>52432670
>>You can't see, but are aware of a target
>vs
>>You don't know what you're even aiming for
>makes sense to me.

Okay, so if the "Hidden Target" modified applies to things that you not only can't see, but you don't even know where to point, does that mean I can hit any combatant I'm not aware of by pointing a gun in any given direction and rolling at -60?

>no anon, you have to know where to point the gun
But how can I know where to point the gun if I'm not even aware of the target?

>How doesn't that make sense? If they were just invisible you might be able to pick up some telltales (leaving footprints, disturbing smoke, etc), but if you can't see any of that it's even harder.
You just contradicted your earlier assertion of what a "hidden target" is.

>>52432843
I'm not gonna bite into this argument with a rules retard. If you don't take the stupidest interpretation at every turn it works out.

Enjoy your nogames though, like everyone in this general.

>>52432843

Blind means you can't see them, either because it's pitch dark, there's a cloud of opaque smoke or a lens crazer scratched your eyes out.

Hidden means the target is not directly able to be sensed. They may be completely invisible using cloaking, or they might just be behind an opaque surface. Theoretically, you know where they are or know they are present (such as if they shoot at you) but have no way to pinpoint them.

Logically, if you don't know there's a target, you can't declare an attack on them. If a guy is hiding in a cloak of invisibility taking indirect fire shots at you via wireless cams or something, you can guess and hope - and that's -60.

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>I'm not gonna bite into this argument with a rules retard. If you don't take the stupidest interpretation at every turn it works out.
And pray tell, what is a non-stupid interpretation of "You get this penalty if you try to attack a target you aren't aware of and can't see, but you need to know where they are in order to attack them"?

Rolled 82 + 1 (1d100 + 1)

once more

Rolled 10 (1d10)

Fuck it

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