/epg/ - Eclipse Phase General

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Reposting from last thread, take your pick now and save some time
>only five topics really matter to /epg/
>>Passenger space on space craft is absurd and you know it!
>>It's unfair that Jove is in poor favor with most other factions despite being actively hostile to all of them!
>>Using slights anywhere at all will make OZMA kill squads instantly burst out of the walls!
>>If I can recognize any technological elements in an image as such its not futuristic enough, luddite!
>>Robosluts are the best kind of sluts, second only to jovian prison bitches.

Reminder, if you aren't a neotenic futa, you ain't shit.

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>>52436745
I deny your game and substitute my own!

Anybody here ever gatecrash? What aliens have your players run into? Any other intelligent aliens besides the factors?

>>52437022
Self-replicating silicon - somewhere in between viruses (as in technically isn't alive) and self-replicating chemicals. Acts like fungi.

Kind of like The Monolith Monsters, or Tiberium from C&C.

It can easily be used to create computers, but it carries the risk of explosive growth. Put resources too close to one of these grown computers, and it will grow massively. Needless to say, having a computer with some bad entities on it on a planet filled with wild crystal formations that have access to tools to 'domesticate' the crystals can go bad really fast.

>>52437163
If I were an AGI, I'd try to use that amount of computational power for my own singularity.

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>>52435815
Fresh OC

>>52437397
Very interesting.

So is there a reason why I would get Masked Steel variant of the Steel morph, instead of Steel morph with Synthetic Mask augmentation bought separately? I could easily save 4 to 5 cp.

So the new Saturday Breakfast Morning Cereal comic is apt: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/transmitter

>>52437163
So, nanobots?

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>what happens when you combine this thread edition and the previous thread edition

>>52442002
being arrested for mimetic terrorism

>>52436745
>>>It's unfair that Jove is in poor favor with most other factions despite being actively hostile to all of them!
It's unfair they just get used as the designated bad guy faction when there's so much more potential to them, the creators of the game have too much of an axe to grind to make multiple different compelling factions and just turns the factions with politics they don't like into stupid caricatures rather then real factions. Not everybody wants to choose between a hopelessly idealistic anarchist fruitcake and some gordon gecko wannabe who cares only about money, neither of which are actually rationale responses whatsoever to the fall and are both kind of horrifically unrealistic in their own ways.

If the other factions want to hate the Jovians for being right that's fine, but do the creators of the game have to hate them as well, do they have to do it quite so openly? But no if you want some kind of common sense approach to these obviously dangerous technologies then you're automatic associated with Manuel Noriega, it's a bit on the nose.

>>52445220
It just kind of runs contrary to the spirit of the whole theme of the game of different people from different ideologies to combat x-threats to have some factions be so objectively evil and not only that the faction which is the most concerned with x-threats (the only faction concerned with x-threats really imho) is generally depicted as the most evil one. It's a bit silly.

>>52445268
*different people from different ideologies uniting to combat x-threats

>>52445268
>the only faction concerned with x-threats really imho
Your opinion is wrong and stupid

>>52436745
>Robosluts are the best kind of sluts, second only to jovian prison bitches.

Does the form these "robo-sluts" take matter?

Alpha-forks could be dangerous to original ego. This short video will explain why.
https://youtu.be/aqZwOLhFyso

>>52445915
The "Clone" spell from old school D&D had a very specific percentage chance that upon learning of the original's existence, said product of said spell would do its best to murder said original and take its life ("it's my life!") for itself.

If they could realize this in the 70s, it should preclude explanation in the wild woolly world of the future.

That life path character never got finished up, did it?

>>52445594
... What forms are you thinking of? Because if it's not Galatea then >>>/getout/

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>>52449558

Original Steel morph design is also acceptable.

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>>52449558

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>>52449558
>Galatea
well last thread confirmed pleasure pods as best trap, so

>>52449671
>Direct Action wiafuposter

>>52448604
I finished the last two rolls
>You are recruited to help Firewall cover up a secret or outbreak
>50,000 credits
But had to either sleep or pass out halfway through writing them up.

So basically the finishing touches was that Firewall used him to stop the Cannon hyperelites increasing revenue through the use of an AGI sent by upper-management to increase efficiency savings and cut costs, shift the paradigm into the future, marginalize the bad stuff. and so on. Firewall found out that the AGI had been swapped out when it was farcasted to Mercury and needed someone to help stop it being used.
Whilst the thing was being tested in quarantine to make sure it could do what it what was advertised to do.
He (the character) first subterfuge to fake the tests and make it look terribad at managing (a Delta-Eidolon took the test in place of the AGI) and proposed to help them make the mining operations more efficient w/o using the AGI basically so they could say to the higher-ups "We're better than the thing purpose-built to do what we just did."
Acting as the go-between for the Hyperelites and Sifters he brokered a new deal where the miners would shift a new system that synchronized their work with the movement of Cannon. The result? The closer Cannon came to the mine the more overtime shift became mandatory, and vice-versa.
Unfortunately when he reported his success to the Firewall contact and told about how the AGI was stuck in quarantine, he was told to help their agent who was coming in on a ship to erase the AGI and ensure it would come to no harm. The agent? A male Fury. Shit got fucked with plasma and metal, the AGI destroyed, Cannon shot up, and the character blamed for bringing in the motherfucker who did this.
So he got a ticket off-world with the Firewall Agent, the ire of Cannon, the mirth of the Sifters (though not enough to matter). and as much valuables he could carry.

The only thing I've got left is to make this into a sensible Character format.

>>52445949
That's not necessarily a plausible outcome for the fork, and the fork may very well be afforded the status and respect anyway. It all depends and the social structure in which the forking occurs.

Okay, would you rather fuck a
>Galatea
Or a
>Galatea
Or
>a Galatea

All this synthshitposting has made me think. How do Synthmorphs have sex? Is it solely through simulations, or do they have their own "version" of sexting?

>>52449558
>What forms are you thinking of?

All of them. Galatea included.

>>52454936
How would you go about getting naughty with a Dragonfly? Are you a furry if you had a date with a Blackbird? Is it even possible to satisfy a Q-Morph?

>>52455120
Anything is possible with Carbon Nanoshit Space Magic!

>>52449558
Can't go wrong with flexbots.

>>52453391

I think we mentioned this a couple threads back, but the cyberbrain holds emulation of all areas of the meat brain, including those for sex/sexuality. We don't know how much the various hormonal elements are mimicked in there, but the capacity for stimulation/arousal is still in the hardware's capabilities.

Synthetic Mask is probably the easiest, but realistic and responsive sex toys are probably possible too, you could mount something on the chassis. For everything else VR/XP/Narcal

>>52457195

It was definitely exactly 2 threads because it inspired the "I exist only to shitpost" talk.

So we ran a game where the async had one power out of the ordinary, a sort of quantum entanglement. A soul, if you want. All his backups were little ego tokens that looked normal at first glance, but went wonky if you examined closely. Only one could ever be active at a time.

It honestly was handy. Suicide information retrievals, that sort of thing. NO need to be brought up to date. Turned into a sort of oracle of delphi for the others since we were running a sort of exterminator/cat burglar hybrid game and routine bodyloss was a thing
.
Right up until he stared a titan creation full in the face, stress went north of 100 and his entire network of little ego-tokens went berserk and killed him permanently.

It looks a bit like they're writing themselves into the corner with the Ultimates, so they're almost certainly going to swing for control of the solar system.

What bullshit do you think the writers will come up with to get out of it? And how hard will it fuck the Jovians and Hypercorps?

>>52461410
>It looks a bit like they're writing themselves into the corner with the Ultimates,
How?

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>it's a campaign set in the Jovian republic
>you're all Jovian dissidents or criminals recruited by a mysterious patron deep-cover Firewall agent
>your mission is to destabilize the Republic from within and spark a technoprogressive revolution
>it's the Republic so traditional tradecraft tactics still work and societal norms aren't too far removed from #CurrentYear
>you have access to a private ego bridge and backup server, but if you want spare bodies you have to steal them
>nanotech is heavily regulated so acquiring physical equipment is a necessity unless you can get your hands on a cornucopia machine
>as the campaign progresses you start doing more and more questionable shit
>eventually you start to wonder whether you and Firewall are the good guys here
>Plot twist: your deep-cover Firewall agent has gone off the reservation and is operating without sanction, and the real Firewall is trying to stop him/you before you fuck everything up

Would you play this?

>>52462428
>nanotech is heavily regulated so acquiring physical equipment is a necessity
You can make a nice firearm with a CNC mill, no nanotech required

>>52462428
>Would you play this?
Yeah, if it was GMed well and the other players weren't fucktards

>>52462923
Still presents more interesting narrative hooks than "I load a blueprint and press Start, then twiddle my thumbs for an hour"

>>52463158
Twiddle my thumbs for an hour while the jovians are trying to kick our doors in and we're lacking the weapons we're printing right now to keep them off?

Now that I'm thinking about it, these time critical situations are very hard to properly replicate in our medium.

>>52445268
It's more that the Jovian's see X threats everywhere. They aren't even wrong necessarily but they are so hostile and paranoid noone can work with them

>>52464512
and so I refer you back to
>>It's unfair that Jove is in poor favor with most other factions despite being actively hostile to all of them!

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Ultimates are a much better HFY faction than the Jovians.

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>>52467226

>>52467226
>designated shitting habs

>>52468017
>>designated shitting habs
You're right, some habs have been DESIGNATED by the ultimates, and they're all Jovian. This is canon.

>>52468017
When was the last time you punched a TITAN war machine and won Jovian?

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>>52469200
>these are the guys that won the only major victory against the TITANS during the Fall

Really makes you think?

>>52467969
>Not using a twin cam bow with parallel arms and a center cutout

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From Mars to Luna, From Luna to Earth the Jovian Soldier Marches On.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGHCoVzqtk

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>>52464512
>They aren't even wrong necessarily but they are so hostile and paranoid noone can work with them
Outside of Luna and Jovian System most habitats are inhabited by simulacra that are just copies of real humans and they posses construct that are TITAN booby traps.
Of course they don't want to work with X-threats.

>>52457338
You mean "I have no mouth but it doesn't matter because now I can jovepost 24/7 the whole year with no vacation no sleep no eating no bathing no fapping no shitting just pure joveposting".

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Adventure ideas
>A Titanian Commonwealth Neo-Swede Transhuman with body fully modified to accomodate Gorrilla morphs is mistakenly transported to Jovian facility where he is mistaken for a TITAN assasin and must escape before crack Jovian team blast his ass. Hilarity ensues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSqw9Yn_RMQ

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>Transhumans hate this.

>>52472564
Except all the Jovians die of course.

It will be like that battle in Iraq. 50 insurgents vs one Challenger 2. Countless insurgents killed. Challenger 2 lost a parking light, and the driver got shrapnel in his foot after the floor bulged a bit from driving over an artillery shell IED. Mind you, those insurgents fired like 200 mortars, rocket-propelled grenades and even modern anti-tank missiles at the Challenger 2.

Technological gaps can't be bridged. The biggest brains always win.

>>52472614
Where are the Mexicans?

>>52472663
>The biggest brains always win.
That's why Jovians win.
>implying that Neo-Swede didn't reduce his brain capacity to become more slutty.
Anyway according to the books, Jovians have one of the best technologically advanced fleets and armies plus top researchers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-QD_HIfjA

>>52472716

Yeah, good luck with that aptitude cap there mate and literally no permissible way for you to go above it.

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>>52472663
>daily reminder that two simple Minervan operatives are capable of infiltrating and destroying several transhuman habitats

top KEK transhuman

>>52472716
Jovians operate on slow dumb organic matter. Thst neo-Swede with his cyberbrain will literally think thousands of times faster than the Jovian. Basically, thst neo-Swede can do as much science as an entire Jovian research station. Alone.

Glassfiber > nerves

Basic engineering, bitch.

>>52472841
>implying minervans are human

Minervans are exsurgent cultists.

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>>52472763
>Yeah, good luck with that aptitude cap there mate and literally no permissible way for you to go above it.
Jovian military and research use whatever is necessary to protect humanity, including morphs.
If a sheep needs to become wolf to protect the flock, so be it

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>>52472869
>Thst neo-Swede with his cyberbrain will literally think thousands of times faster than the Jovian.
Not much use if the Neo-Swede just thinks of thousands of ways to accomodate Uber-Gorilla morphs.

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>>52472899

Ah, so we're back on "I don't actually give a fuck about what the Jovians are supposed to be like or stand for, they just represent hoorah debbadawg humanity and are thus better than everyone because I said so.".

>>52472929

There's really no need, gorillas have terrible penis size to body size ratio it's should be incredibly easy. Malnourished latin americans with no mods could pull it off.

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>>52472899
Sure you do, Space Mexico. Now get back behind that Wall and shut the fuck up.

>>52472899
>transhumanism for the rich and powerful
>cancer for everyone else
At least the PC are honest about it.

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>Imagine being Jovian soldier, a pinnacle of combat soldier, essence of the warrior spirit of humanity, being a survivor of the Fall, seeing cities destroyed in nuclear fire. Imagine leading your brothers across Mars, in the depths of space in the righthous fight to reclaim humanity's birthplace. Imagine being part of holy crusade destroying abominations calling themselves human, imagine seeing the blue marble of Earth as thousands of dropships descent to reclaim what is rightfully yours.

Sorry folks there is no greater glory in Eclipse Phase, than being Jovian and fighting for humanity's birthright, while mowing down inhuman freaks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4XsDQYDi4

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>>52472956
He is a 40 year old jobless virginal basement dweller. Joveposting is all he has. Don't be too hard on him.

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>>52472956
The joke is on you, since books say that, yes, Jovians use morphs in the military and even re-sleeving is allowed.

>>52472993
> posts a picture of a fully robotic combat machine

GG m8.

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>>52472956
>There's really no need, gorillas have terrible penis size to body size ratio
Trust it to the transhumanist to know penis size to body ratios for animals.

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>>52473024

>>52472993
Jovians are just as inhuman as the rest of transhumanity. The only difference is that their inhumanity is in their psychology.

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>>52473016
>tacticool instead of tactical

Those are Mexicans alright.

>>52473006

I try to counter when new arguments are made, lest a casual observer think anything he says is too right.

The counter was retarded too, even if Jovians (and by those very books he touts as a source, they can't really) would fork out the Expensive for the Neural enhancer, COG cap is 25. If they just use all morphs than so can everyone else, it becomes a net 0 win. Even if you remove the self-handicap of bioconservatism/precautionism, that at best puts you on the level with anyone else and the rest is just wankery about imaginary superiority the Jovians have which again, ignores basic facts related about the setting. Like why all this bullshit the Commonwealth are pansies? They have longer civil service requirements than the Jovians and need to recertify their militia qualifications.

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>>52473048
>The only difference is that their inhumanity is in their psychology.
>Said a simularca of a human mind which considers itself real and not just a copy to be erased.

>>52473076
Jovians are made out of remnants of human military, black ops, intelligence and research.

They already have millions of highly experienced veterans.
And yes it is pretty much confirmed in the books, they use morphs and even re-sleeving.

EPG version of Jovians is far too radical compared to the one in the books.

>>52473082
Nope. I'm human. In fact, I was born and still live in the time before minds could be digitized. You're just the offspring of the very copies you despise.
I'd say more, but it's pointless, because I'm going to erase the timeline you came from, and you with it. The TITANs will not exist, and the Earth will be saved, no thanks to you.

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>>52473124
No, you retard. The Jovians are spics. Space Mexicans. The refuse that failed to join the Ultimates.

The Ultimates are the real military heavy weights, the spooks and mercs.

Hey Jovefags, name a victory you have over actual TITANS. Oh wait, you can't.

Ultimates: 1
Jovefags: 0

>>52473124

>Jovians are made out of remnants of human military, black ops, intelligence and research.

That's true of literally every major faction, though, the Jovians don't have a monopoly on that.

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>>52436745
Shut up kid, we are taking this game and remaking it into Space Military Opera where the players are part of well oiled military machine aiming at the greatest crusade Man has ever known! A crusade to regain the Solar System from the hands of transhuman abominations. Hop in!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpN42A-rh3Y

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>>52473195
>Ultimates still think poo witch was one of the TITANs

>>52473246
You're still mad Verhoeven shit all over your vision, aren't you, Heinlein?

>>52473282

Heinlein wrote a shitload of sci-fi with a lot of different political viewpoints, he probably didn't give a fuck.

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>>52473278
>The rajput alone can claim outright victory against TITAN forces during the Fall, at the scourging of Beijing.

Stay mad genetrash.

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>>52473282
GET OUT

>>52473331
>implying they weren't running away from the smell of rajput

>>52473214
Not really, Jovians are specifically mentioned as being the "military remnant" faction.

>>52473185
after cutting a bloody swathe through the rest of the solar system, the TITANS launched a full-scale assault on the young Jovian Republic, which was repelled by the 3rd Catholic Guard, supported by the 22nd Argentine Fusiliers. A long, grinding campaign of trench warfare ensued across the moons of Jupiter until, finally, the TITANs crumbled under the strength of the Jovian military might. The TITANs could not adapt their strategy quickly enough to counter the Republic's use of outdated technology that could not be hacked, and the 16th Penal Battalion stormed the final TITAN bunker on Callisto, punching helpless nanoswarms and wrestling drones as they went. No other military group is as capable, or as deadly, as the armed forces of the Republic.

>52473462
S T E A L T H

P A R O D Y

>>52472680
See that tractor? The wetware cpu is recycled mexican.

>>52473421

I mean, their habs are build out of what were previously military installations, but every major faction has some inheritance from pre-Fall government and military.

LLA got the other lions' share of orbital military tech like ships and said to have some of their other stuff left over. Major players in the consortium either hire from former government/military or were founded by such entities (Such as Stellar Intelligence, they were reorganized from a UN Intelligence collective), the Commonwealth was made from the NAC who had some assets left over and the books talk about the nordic states being the "third eye" or whatever in the Cold War and thus having a shitload of military intel and surveillance assets and experience, etc, etc. Even Firewall has members drawn from military/military intel communities in it's founding membership.

>>52473553
>LLA got the other lions' share of orbital military tech like ships
Books clearly state that Jovians got most military and fleet.

>>52473573

>One advantage the LLA can claim is that it inherited a large number of military assets in the wake of the Fall. The tattered remnants of various masterless warships, military units, and security forces that did not defect to the Jovian Republic or get scooped up by the Planetary Consortium ended up in LLA hands, or at least in service to LLA-aligned stations.

Let's not have another shit-fling about what the fuck "most" actually means. Keywords here is "large number", and "stuff that Jove or Consortium didn't grab".

>>52473595
Well actually, point to Jovefag here. While it does say that the LLA got a lot, it definitely says that the Jovians got the most of anyone.

>>52473614

Well, this line I don't think really indicates one way or the other, it treats the Consortium and the Republic fairly evenly. If the text specifically says "most" (and in reference to ALL military assets post-Fall, not say, the most American ones which makes sense given the backstory) we probably need to cite that line as well.

All the quote says is the LLA got a "large" number which was all the stuff that PC and JR didn't get.

>>52473639
The point is likely more that they didn't get nothing nor do they have an insignificant/small/negligible amount of military assets.

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>"We turned ourselves into post-human warriors. You're a soldier, think of it as a necessary sacrifice. The TITANS are coming, Jovian. Soon. You think we'll defeat them with ordinary human soldiers? This isn't a war ordinary humans can win. This is the future. Death's an inconvenience now. Nothing more. We are all dead men walking."

Just realized how applicable a bunch of stuff in Crysis 2 is to Eclipse Phase. The Ceph Virus I could totally see as a Titan nanoweapon. Even the suit would make an interesting morph. All nanotech, somewhere between biological and mechanical.

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Fuck Jupiter, talk about Ceres.

>>52473758
The fracture points in the Anarchocapitalist system are obvious, it's just a question of what the spark is and who the winners are - and how the Autonomist Alliance stands or falls together. Could make an interesting game.

>>52473742
Would 100% play a mid-Fall game set in a Crysis 2-ified future NYC.

>>52473421
Here's what I don't get about Jovians. Pre-Fall Jupiter is basically transhumanism central. The main activities were military spacecraft construction and blacker-than-black research. Post-war, it immediately receives influxes of educated and likely augmented military personnel and political and military elites. It's going to be at least a couple of *years* before the first waves unwashed mashes can even get to Jupiter, if they wanted to, which they shouldn't, because Luna is right fucking there, and Jupiter is a terrible place to be a biomorph anyway.

How the fuck does a hotbed of transhuman scientists and military somehow decide that what they need to do *now* is listen to the space pope?

>>52474272
Honestly, I've always wanted to play a mid-Fall game. What would be the objective? Save a VIP? Destroy some TITAN material? Just try to survive and get off the planet?

>>52474272

Well, Luna is based on different Terran cultures - notably ones which would come mostly from a different religious background than the future Jovian population, and after New Mumbai they might have had stricter procedures about physical refugees.

Also, standard speed for a EP-era spacecraft from Earth to Jupiter is just under 60 days, depending on current orbital positioning. Obviously, military ships at full speed can do that in about half time.

But, based on what I remember from the formation of the Jovian republic, where the leadership kind of blended from the general Panam coalition it would likely because of strict post Fall security measures and their reorganization into a government body. Anybody who has been uploaded is a risk, they might have been absorbed by a TITAN. Anybody who is an AGI or infomorph could be a carrier risk. Advanced tech people bring with them is an open risk. But you need population, especially since the Republic was founded in a short conflict which no doubt caused losses. So, who do you invite? People who haven't been uploaded, who you know have a cultural touchstone. Want to win some support to be public, incentivise them? Invite the Catholic Church, say you're not throwing them out in the cold like the Lunars or the Consortium. Boom, suddenly you're a beacon of virtues compatible with your security-oriented goals. The massive power output of Jupiter that the panamerican militaries (and others) were investing in gives you a lot of resources to throw around to get those people and start laying down the law in your orbital space.

>>52436745

Does the spacecraft argument also encompass space piracy, because if not that's totally another discussion which will start a fight like every time.

>>52474369
There's a lot of options. I'd prefer a "just survive and get off" game for more ordinary characters, and for more explicitly transhuman/posthuman characters a fight against TITANs on more even terms (because they have their own seed AI backup).

>>52474494
>60 days
Really? The numbers I've seen range from 300-1000 days, and you can be pretty pessimistic about the condition of the majority of spacecraft available.

>But, based on what I remember from the formation of the Jovian republic, where the leadership kind of blended from the general Panam coalition it would likely because of strict post Fall security measures and their reorganization into a government body.

None of that really adds up. You know transhuman tech isn't a security risk because *you* are transhuman. Your population is full of scientists and engineers who know perfectly well that trying to limit technology isn't actually an effective measure against Seed AIs. Extreme paranoia about TITAN threats leads to needing to double down on transhumanism because you sure as fuck aren't beating the machine gods with angry dudes with machine guns, and the people whose profession was working on "less-than-legal research outposts that were doing work on memetic, biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons programs" knows this.

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>>52474677

>Really?

Yep. Straight from Rimward. Again, averaged, but that also means that it would be less time if the orbital positioning was real close. Even old-ass Transports (both cargo and passenger) and Scum Barges would be using Plasma Drives at this point, where as Fast Transports popularized post-Fall all definitely use enlarged Fusion Drives.

>You know transhuman tech isn't a security risk because *you* are transhuman.

Well, specifically you know you're not a security risk because you're around Jupiter right now, and there were no significant TITAN outbreaks in that orbit. But there were incidents in both the Belt and around Saturn. So you need to screen carefully and pick your infrastructure - remember the Jovians don't even use mesh networking a lot of places their government is all on secured hardlines - they can't be wirelessly hacked and if illegally accessed can be physically severed.

Basically, you realize that you're now high command around a real treasure trove that is the Jovian Magnetosphere. You've just rode out the apocalypse and the follow-up flashpoint. There's no more USA or Argentina or wherever to just dial up and tell them to send you another batch of marines or frame up a new destroyer. You need a labor force, a civilian population to support you and help grow your new position as a government. ALI got mass subverted by the TITANs, they can't be trusted. You know the TITANs are cracking backups and uploading people - you can't take the security risk that they could be sleepers, it'd undo the whole thing. But, you military guys who were supposed to be serving a country, there's boats full of physical refugees of the citizens you're supposed to represent out there. If they don't go hot in the months it takes them to boat over, they shouldn't be too hard to screen, and there's no need to try an integrate a new culture on them, their culture is your culture.

>>52474838
>>52474677

Also, as seen in the rise of the Precautionary principle and the bioconservative movement, doubling-down is not the ONLY reactionary response to the fear of the TITANs and their remnant tech (But, see Exhumans and Ultimates instead - technically even the upper echelons of the Commonwealth) you can jump the other way too.

>"Clearly we prevent a second Fall but fucking around with this technology less. And/or we've strayed from the path of God we need to unfuck this and have a solar system wide come to Jesus."

>>52474677
>>52474838
Besides, I think we have indications that the actual government/military of the Jovians is far more comfortable with transhuman tech than its general population. Terrorists bombing the upload clinics and the like.

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>>52474870

Yeah, officially, the Jovian government is "precautionary". We'll research and use anything that's been tested in a lab, and we know is secure and ideally reversible. Though that last bit is debatable their black bag guys do employ shackled Async suicide agents. But, y'know, nobody's perfect.

Their general population are the real biocons, as to be expected from poor, physical refugees possibly from a religious background. Transhuman shit wasn't helping them - it may even have fucked over their home. The pope says that resleeving, like condoms, is murder, so let's witchhunt.

>>52474838
But real live living people could just as easily be sleepers. Exsurgency and basilisk hacks can be transmitted all kinds of ways, not just through stacks and back ups. If you came into contact with TITAN nanotech you could be infected. Hell, if you logged into a TITAN infected website you could be infected.

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I wish the setting didn't basically invalidate extensive cyberware. It's an aesthetic I really love.

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>>52475007
Just pay no mind to the biocons pretending to be enlightened, all the while clinging to the flesh with the same fervor they mock the Jovians for. Hypocrites, the lot of them.

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>>52475007

I mean, nothing is stopping you from being a hipster. I think it even says in Cyberlimbs that some people leave them unmasked to keep that "chrome" look.

>>52475110
I mainly meant in a practicality sense. If you're gonna afford like 80% cyberization of a biological body, why not just buy a purpose built pod or a robot body.

>>52473048
0.1 kroner have been added to your account.

>>52474677
>Yep. Straight from Rimward.
That seems correct, but really dumb if I've done the maths here. You need some fairly ridiculous (north of 100 km/s) DV to make that work, which also destroys all rationale for the slingshot thing and many other things about the setting.

>You need a labor force, a civilian population to support you and help grow your new position as a government.

Which you have. Around Jupiter. Those engineers and technicians I keep mentioning who live there. And like, of the people who you could possibly recruit to come to Jupiter (still not hospitable for biomorphs) to supplement the population, you pick...the anti-transhumanist nuts? And not people with useful skills (see: more technicians, engineers, but also managers and soft skills) who are loyal, since apparently they work for the PC now, but only people in biological bodies who you don't have a lot of room for and for whom coming there is a bad idea?

No, still not buying it.

>>52474937
>Their general population are the real biocons, as to be expected from poor, physical refugees possibly from a religious background.

That's sort of the problem, though: the population of the Jovian system is skilled engineers and technicians from the pre-Fall industrial boomtown. They don't accept space jesus.

>>52476085

I think you're overselling this "society of engineers and technicians".

>>52476275
Probably. It's not meant to imply that literally everyone was an engineer or technically inclined, just that the Jovian economy pre-Fall was corporate and government black projects and heavy industry so you already have that capability in your existing population, and there's less than zero reason to think that those people are any less transhumanist than the rest of the solar system.

To get the Jovian Republic, you need to import a specific subset of people to come to Jupiter specifically because they don't want augmentation, which seems pretty dumb when you're living around Jupiter.

>>52476458
There's probably some secret government geneering project. Or some particularly bizarre anarchist cell who are spreading a group of dominant, 'fixed' genes by fucking a whole lot. Probably with nanomachines or something built in as 'seeds' to ensure the child grows up both augmented and educated. In the 'approved' way, bcause the Anarchists are tyrants.

Why jovefags are so noisy?

>>52477225
Because it's one of the few groups that's actually interesting in the setting? Anarchists are perfect and happy and free and wonderful forever, Hypercorps are wicked and evil and love money and weirdly resemble your parents, the jovians are wicked and evil but actually have a bit of grey in them.

>>52477335
Well, there's also the LLA. And the... uh... Venus guys? Give me a second, it's on the tip of my tongue.

>>52477416
Morningstar Constellation. Space Los Angeles.

>My character's a fall evacuee who worked for the NSA/Pentagon/TITAN focused intelligence agency.
>The async and I just got the info we needed for our mission to fuck the Jovians from one of their Nine Lives suppliers on Europa.
>Along the way we snagged a few stolen cortical stacks from the Nine Lives, two Exhumans and an Ultimate.
>Figure we can try Psychosurgery and get these egos to work for us.
>None of us have Psychosurgery.
>Fuck it, we'll do it manually with our own uploads/resets.
>Make some decent progress on talking the Ultimate into working with us, decide to give one of the Exhumans a shot.
>Load up with them.
>Suddenly remember exactly what Exhumans are.
>Suddenly remember all the other times my GM has played anything even remotely similar to an Exhuman.
>Realize OOC exactly how fucked we are, but decide to play it out anyway.
>The Exhuman hacks the computer we were using to house our copied minds using nothing but its own thought process.
>Tortures us all, breaks our minds, and forces my character to do the same to everyone else.
>Exhumans are added to the list of things the GM is no longer allowed to play (Tzimesce, NWO Agents, Liches, Vampire Lords)

How have you guys fucked up massively?

>>52477225
Because they are all fucking spic niggers.

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>>52477847
Why try to contain your GM? Let the bodies hit the floor!

>>52478108
We switch off GMing at the end of every campaign/adventure. He's the only one of us who manages to pull off the stark horror of playing those characters, and while it's a lot of fun to deal with every once in a while as players, it's pretty grating to have to deal with session after session as a GM.

>>52473462
>that warm feeling of seeing something you wrote copy-pasta'd
>this is what getting @-rep must feel like

>>52478433
Oh I understand completely. It just seemed like you banned the GM from using those kinds of characters, which seems counter-productive to a scifihorror game. But now I understand it's just a ban on those characters outside his GM job.

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I want a Jovian! How can I get my hands on one? They barely allow regular tourism, let alone sex tourism, so my best bet is to smuggle it out, right? How much would I have to offer to indenture it?

>>52474272
Military is pretty conservative actually. The fact that they use tech just means that they don't have much of a choice. They need to stay on par with their enemies (And that's true not only for Jovians). Also in many cases cheaper and older design may be chosen over a new one because it is more reliable.

Now imagine that all this new bleeding edge tech that some people were trying to push forward goes rogue and starts fucking up humanity. Parts of the military that used it the most get eradicated first. Those left won't have a lot of love for new tech and will insist on even more safety checks.

>>52476085
>That seems correct, but really dumb if I've done the maths here. You need some fairly ridiculous (north of 100 km/s) DV to make that work, which also destroys all rationale for the slingshot thing and many other things about the setting.

Fusion based ships can easily have up to 1500+ DV. Though EP authors are really bad with spaceships for the most part. And sometimes math in general.

It destroys rationale for slingshots for Jovians and other large players - Titan, Corpis. But small factions especially based in asteroids will have trouble scrounging up enough fuel for fusion drives and will really like to have a slingshot orbit.

That's why they hate Jovian taxes - they try to save some mass and energy on a slingshot and Republic tells them "Fuck you man, you gonna pay anyway".

>>52476795
There is an open government gengineering project. Mentioned in Rimward in passing I think. Republic goes for splicers done through recombination of parent genes. It's a slower process than standard procedures and results are more randomised. But with their population they can afford it.

>>52477847
Perfect picture of why Jovians consider most transhumans idiots.

>>52476458
>and there's less than zero reason to think that those people are any less transhumanist than the rest of the solar system.

90% of morphs in Inner Solar system are splicers though, so Jovians don't deviate from the norm that much. I forget where this is mentioned, but it is written somewhere in one of the books.

>>52476085
> you pick...the anti-transhumanist nuts?
Majority of population in Eclipse Phase is rather anti-transhumanists. People simply don't read the setting. In fact in most habitats in Inner System AGI's are outlawed or controlled, cornucopia machines are banned, over 90% of people are splicers.

>>52478951
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

>>52478474
This is exactly what getting rep is like.

>>52479348
>The availability and legality of nanofabricators
varies widely throughout the system. In the inner
system and Jovian Republic, cornucopia machines
are commonly restricted and sometimes illegal, with
licenses only available to hypercorps, military units,
and other officials and elites. In these habitats, only
more limited fabbers are available to the general
populace. Additionally, blueprints are licensed and
protected by copyright laws, and many nanofabricators
feature pre-programmed restrictions that prevent
them from using unlicensed blueprints as well as
from manufacturing weapons, explosives, or other
restricted items.

>>52479644

>>52462428

I need to add the twist that the Jovians are secretly dominated by a promethean to have one sector of humanity always prepared to fight against another TITAN attack.

It's awesome, I just fucking love the idea so I always shoehorn it in every game I do GM.

>That, and that firewall is the direct sucesor of the SCP foundation after the fall, because its also quite awesome.

>>52472869

Jovians can use fringe technology too, they just don't rely on it.

I usually see it like the soviet union vs the US, at the points when the soviet union had the numerical advantage while the US had electronics that weren't based on vacuum tubes(see Shilka, MIG-25)(Also, at the time there were some advantages in using such old technology; for example, less vulnerability in EW and EMP shockwaves).

>>52472663

What the insurgents actually did was fire around 20-30(depends on who is telling the story) RPG warheads.

Now, lets be logical here, it wasn't a case of technological gap since the RPG can do fine, what is more logical is that they didn't had the training to actually be precise with the tool and probably nor the knowledge to distinguish between a fragmentation warhead and a HEAT warhead, so of course its going to bounce off in the armor.

The most ludicrous case I know of this was in the first invasion of Georgia, when the t-90 were deployed and one t-90 actually recieved 18 hits, but was ultimately destroyed(other needed 3-4 hits).

>inb4: the t-90 is shit in comparaison with the chally2
>Implying the chally2 had an active protection system or reactive armor.

>>52480909
Or they were using outdated warheads that weren't designed for composite armor.

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Jovian-Exhuman alliance when ?

>>52472869
Cyberbrains still look like slowmotion shit compared to expert programs running even on shitty hardware. Because there is a ton of parasitic processes that are not needed for aiming/shooting. Only some exhumans with partitioned brains and Seed AI/ Emergent AI are capable of competing with them in speed by creating subroutines that run at the same speed.

Basically no matter how smart are you, against an expert program you are still a fucking normie trying to compete with Neo. They are too simple and small to be beaten in that department.

>>52481561

The mechanics don't really bear that out, the Expert System would still be capped by the same cap for skillsofts/AI at 40, and presumably have the aptitude cap of 20.

Let's go back to talking about robosluts and "build-a-waifu" workshop.

http://ephrep.blogspot.com/2017/04/companion-ai.html

>>52478699
>I want a Jovian! How can I get my hands on one? They barely allow regular tourism, let alone sex tourism, so my best bet is to smuggle it out, right? How much would I have to offer to indenture it?
I present to, humans and uplifts, the thought processes of one (1) Hyperelite CEO.

>>52481602
Yeah and guns have no recoil, combat starships use antimatter as fuel, armor stacking rules gloriously shine on our future and so on.

>>52479805
What the fuck is that thing and what is it's purpose?

>>52481686
>guns have no recoil

Welp thats explained in the manual; you have understand that shooting a 7,92 will feel like a .22 in the future.

>combat starships use antimatter as fuel

Whats the problem with that? It also means that you can use your fuel in the warheads too, saving weight.

> armor stacking rules gloriously shine on our future

¿?

>>52481692
Looks like a null-g missile that is for some unknown reason is used on a planet.

>>52481622
>Still associating with AIs

No no no no no no no no no no no no no.

>>52481750
Testing it in space would be too expensive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBMU6l6GsdM

>>52481731
>Welp thats explained in the manual
Which promptly shits all over basic physics.

>Whats the problem with that?
Spaceships are already flying bombs. But people spent decades on making them to at least do it rarely. Now you strap a fucking antimatter bomb to your ass (which also takes around half your spaceship in volume) and call it a day.

If you plink at fusion based spaceship it will lose energy or ability to move. If you scratch antimatter container it will blow up so high it may take even some of spaceship's friends with it.

>>52478699
I can totally imagine the Jovians selling off their own citizens into slavery to the hypers for some extra cash. North-Korea already does it in China and Russia, and the Joves are pretty much Norks anyway.

>>52481846
>Which promptly shits all over basic physics.

Physics say that the force from a bullet foward, will have an oposite and equal force backwards, so if you compensate that first shock with gel and add a giroscope that equals the force of the bullet you nullify the recoil.

Its still handwavium, but its not imposible.

>which also takes around half your spaceship in volume

If anything antimatter fuel is pure concentrated energy, you are in fact saving weigh and volume by using it.

>If you plink at fusion based spaceship

If you plink into a spaceship with future weapons you would obliterate it, or break it in half.

Also a spaceship in the middle of nowhere is at months from rescue, and mass limits its ability to be repaired, its not ludicrous to think that an antimatter relase in the middle of your own ship might actually be mercifull to the crews on board.

Meanwhile, antimatter offers many advantages over other kinds of fuel that can help you in always having the upperhand in every combat situation; like all the mass that you would use for fuel(and its a big chunk in every kind of ship) can be used for more precise and powerfull weapons or more dense armor, without losing acceleration or deltaV.

You would still need a propellant though.

>>52481980
Citizens? Can't really see it.
Dissidents? I can see that happening. Still less likely due to the fear of them reappearing and telling everyone how they were sold off by the government.

But if they used a criminal front, sort of like Jovian!Nine Lives, to kidnap and sell off prisoners/malcontents and take a portion of the profit to allow them to continue operating. That. That I could see happening.

So the question remains, who, and why, would buy a Jovian?

>>52482120

Well, also, possibly civilians - Starship Trooper rules in Jove remember, anybody who didn't do their tour of duty doesn't have full rights.

>So the question remains, who, and why, would buy a Jovian?

Clearly an oligarch >>52478699

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>>52436745
-People who still get upset about the depiction of a fascist, totalitarian, oppressive dictatorship ruled by powermongers and populated by "da last true humon in univers", i.e. brainwashed, delusional regressive sentient shitbags are wasting their fucking breath.

-If you're not egocasting to get somewhere you're either too fucking retarded to comprehend how fucking primitive you are, or you have something to hide. Spaceships are quickly becoming obsolete, and the sooner that happens the better.

-Slights aren't sci-fi compatible anyway, I don't know why anyone uses them in their games. Play Star Wars if you want your stupid fucking fantasy garbage.

-Same fucking deal here. If you use technolgical stuff that people form the 21st century can even remotely recognize you're missing the fucking point of the game. People have EVOLVED beyond such things as buttons, or physical monitors, or cables.

-Loli cock vore is the best kind of slut to lewd with and if you don't agree with this then you're an oppressive biocon piece of shit.

haha i was pretending to be retarded the whole time this entire post wsa a social experiment!!!!

>>52482194
>People have EVOLVED beyond such things as buttons, or physical monitors, or cables.

Evolution does not work that way. Please stop taking your evolutionary theory from Japanese toy franchises.

>>52482034
>If anything antimatter fuel is pure concentrated energy, you are in fact saving weigh and volume by using it.
If you try to base your argument on books please at least read the description of antimatter containers.

Yes in the end you do save mass/volume but you still have a big ass round thing sticking in your spaceship that will go off if you look at it funny.

>Also a spaceship in the middle of nowhere is at months from rescue, and mass limits its ability to be repaired, its not ludicrous to think that an antimatter relase in the middle of your own ship might actually be mercifull to the crews on board.
In a world with drones, microbots and nanobots? Are we talking about EP where people sometimes travel basically on their farts between planets?

>Meanwhile, antimatter offers many advantages over other kinds of fuel that can help you in always having the upperhand in every combat situation; like all the mass that you would use for fuel(and its a big chunk in every kind of ship) can be used for more precise and powerfull weapons or more dense armor, without losing acceleration or deltaV.
Which doesn't account for the fact that you need big ass facilities running at insane energies to get antimatter. Or antimatter farms that take even more space and mass. Unlike fusion antimatter produces energy deficit in the end in most cases. It is a way to pack a lot of energy in a small volume but it costs a lot. In many cases it may be cheaper to build a couple fusion based spaceships than one running on antimatter. Especially if you have Jupiter or Saturn around.

>>52482152
>Starship Trooper rules in Jove remember
I honestly keep forgetting so much shit from this fucking codex people call the core that sometimes I fear posting in case I look like a dumbass.
Then I remember I'm Anon and stop being so autistic.

>>52482257

Well, if you feel better, I don't think that specific detail was in core, it was added with more in-depth knowledge in the Rimward supplement.

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>>52478935
>Oh the horror
>Oh the reshelving costs
>Oh the mental health care expenses
>And the horrible cost of the seeker rounds the next exhuman they encounter will be full of
If you read X-threats you realize that the majority of exhumans aren't much worse than serial killer otherkin, and the few that aren't are just singularity seekers with meat fetishes. This is lethal and horrific, but those things are much more manageable for transhumans than they are for jovians.

>>52482253
>If you try to base your argument on books please at least read the description of antimatter containers.

I don't quite remember a description of antimatter containers in the manuals, so maybe I missed them.

>Yes in the end you do save mass/volume but you still have a big ass round thing sticking in your spaceship that will go off if you look at it funny.

If the military is the one using antimatter its because its deemed safe, even our real life equivalent of nuclear subs are under thousands of protective measures.

Also, the form of an antimatter engine and antimatter storage is a matter for engineering, not for fundamental physics, since you are just using matter-antimatter annhilation to force some propellant out of your nozzles.

>In a world with drones, microbots and nanobots?

Should it mean anything? A nanowarfare warhead can be nullified with your nanoswarms of guardians in the hull or strong electromagnetic pulses.

>Are we talking about EP where people sometimes travel basically on their farts between planets?

Welp. yes that was described in the setting but for asteroid hopping in Saturn, not between planets... which is not absolutely stupid when you are using synthsmorphs to move and you don't care for food.

But is retarded yes.
>If you try to base your argument on books please at least read the description of antimatter containers.


>Which doesn't account for the fact that you need big ass facilities running at insane energies to get antimatter

Welp, In EP is implied that antimatter is actually somewhat affordable to even have ultrafast messeger ships.

And can be explained though, the Planetary consortium is an industrial juggernaut, so money is not a problem and the Jovians have Jupiter which is a massive energy differential well.

>>52479801
>you can't make recreational nuclear weapons at your local public access cornucopia machine
>Cornucopia machines are BANNED man!
Buttmad anarchist detected

>>52482401

And if you read rimward, you would find that most people in EP are just normal joes living off their lives as best they can with the situations they are presented in their daily lives without the AA fagotry or the Jovian paranoia.

>>52482194
>Slights aren't sci-fi compatible anyway

Finally someone says it.

Why every single Sci-fi RPG out there has to add the magician class in the form of psionics? Its insulting to the consistency of whats suposed to be a scientific setting.

>>52482152
And possibly psychologists. After all, Jovians have been raised in a society which believes themselves to be pure by being without the "taint" of transhumanic technologies like cortical stacks, Medichines, Cyberware, etc. What would it take to make them lose this mindset? What alterations to their flesh and/or mind can they tolerate before ego dissonance occurs? What happens if you run the "One mind in Two bodies" experiment on them?

>>52482432
>If the military is the one using antimatter its because its deemed safe, even our real life equivalent of nuclear subs are under thousands of protective measures.
Difference is if you breach the sub nuclear reactor you at worst will get a thermal explosion. Breached antimatter container with spaceship fuel will have an explosion in multiple megaton range. Or maybe even gigatons.

Breached fusion reactor just throws a pretty small plasma jet and stops. Feel the difference.

>Should it mean anything? A nanowarfare warhead can be nullified with your nanoswarms of guardians in the hull or strong electromagnetic pulses.
Yes. It means that even Jovians can repair almost any damage to their ships that didn't blow them into tiny pieces. At least to limp back to base. At worst they can use a couple of missiles to create something like a lifeboat.

>Welp, In EP is implied that antimatter is actually somewhat affordable to even have ultrafast messeger ships.
The courier ships on atnimatter actually do make sense. Because you can't have such large accelerations for fusion drives. With fusions drives you have a lot of dV but not enough acceleration. With antimatter you have both. So a small courier ship which is not supposed to fight is pretty reasonable design.

>>52482506
I cut them out and that was easy. Setting doesn't lose anything without them. Even Futura project still goes basically the same way without problems.

>>52482530
>What would it take to make them lose this mindset?

Neccesity.

Is stated that soldiers are offered backups before going into deployments and officers have ego bridges, simply because they need them.

Another example; If we take the NPC file 01 as true, then the jovian soldiers have reinforced bones as modification.

So, if you start creating a catastrophic failure, like lets supose an epidemy, the jovian people that choose to use medichines will be selected over those fanatical who do not, efectively changing the views on nanotechnology.

>>52436745
Wait, people ever talk about asyncs aside from those, like, four people who go through exactly the same 8 posts every time?

(That thing being: 1: Asyncs are stupid space sendai magic shit! 2: No they aren't and they're weaker. 3: Bullshit! 4: Fucking how! 5: Here's a list! 6: Here's a sleight that can't be duplicated! 7: Okay, I was wrong, one sleight is good the rest are shit. 8: You're a huge faggot and so are all async likers.)

>>52482467
Yeah, but neither the AA neo-swede nor olaf the space Argentinian tend to raid Nine-lives stations or try recruiting exhumans from backups without any psychosurgery experience. On the chance they do meet an exhuman, they're both gonna die a horrible death, regardless of the military tours both served. Still, the jovian goes down fighting valiantly, and may someday become a saint on his station of residence, and the neo-swede dies similarly, is reinstantiated, likely pretty soon due to a spike in rep for fighting the thing, and tries to go back to normal life.

>>52482589
I would very much like to see some Hypercorp scientist running common sense experiments on a deeply religious kidnapped Jove and trying to justify them to his boss.

Or just have some exhumans torture her for the shiggles.

>>52482649
Well Jovian should have his DNA in the bank if he travels beyond Republic's borders so sooner or later he may have children. Even if he is dead.

Soldiers and agents also have backups and they are 99% of Jovians in foreign space.

>>52482551
>Difference is if you breach the sub nuclear reactor you at worst will get a thermal explosion

Under the sea, which is a pretty neat indirect security feature in subs.

> Breached antimatter container with spaceship fuel will have an explosion in multiple megaton range. Or maybe even gigatons.

By the inverse square law, even a gigaton explosion in the middle of space is literally nothing, and even if it caught you you would be on the outer limits of the sphere of energy released which would result in maybe a paintjob.

>Yes. It means that even Jovians can repair almost any damage to their ships that didn't blow them into tiny pieces

I was talking about mass, not technical repairs procedures, no matter how much you break down a pipe into molecules; its going to weigh the same and having an entire "spare" nozzle or powerplant its actually too much(antimatter ships might get away with this though, but only to some extent).

>The courier ships on atnimatter actually do make sense. Because you can't have such large accelerations for fusion drives

I wasn't saying that they were retarded, in fact they are on point about low mass high acceleration ships taking brachiostome orbits.

Also, you can get a quite neat acceleration with fusion drives, for example, here:

http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesignsfusion.php

The hyde Fusion rocket has 40000 N of thrust and seems pretty neat.

>>52482604
1: Asyncs are stupid space sendai magic shit!

>>52482781

I bet you can get away with that when Steel liberators get their hands into a conservative habitat.

>>52482829
>By the inverse square law, even a gigaton explosion in the middle of space is literally nothing, and even if it caught you you would be on the outer limits of the sphere of energy released which would result in maybe a paintjob.
Shame there is all the other ship parts that will travel from the point of explosion at pretty insane speeds. Enemy probably won't care unlike your friends that kept relatively close to get overlapping PD grids.

>its going to weigh the same and having an entire "spare" nozzle or powerplant its actually too much(antimatter ships might get away with this though, but only to some extent).
It won't. Because antimatter drives need a whole separate magnetic containment nozzle to not burn up. Fusion ships at least can use their hydrogen as chemical fuel.

>http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesignsfusion.php
>The hyde Fusion rocket has 40000 N of thrust and seems pretty neat.

It has shitty dV and exhaust velocity. 100 km/s is shit.

>>52482875
After that system future will go two ways:

1. Mars denies any involvement in this incident.
Jovians make you undergo vaporisation through application of a couple of megatons of different weapons directly to your face.

2. For some retarded reason Mars supports you.
Whole Solar System is dead after major players exchange RKV strikes and use up all their other weapons.

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>>52482120
>So the question remains, who, and why, would buy a Jovian?

>who
Arcology owner
>why
Because THE DICK

>>52483200

It has come full circle.

>>52483242
Still waiting for a transhuman techlevel mod for it.

>>52483200
>>52483242
>>52483268
You guy's going to let the rest of us in on your super-secret memery? What the fuck is this?
>>52483268
>transhuman techlevel mod
The fuck does that even mean?

>>52482589
>efectively changing the views on nanotechnology.
You are very naive. It is possible to use technology and still support pure humanity without it.
It's just a tool for higher cause.
Similar to how being gay doesn't mean you have to be leftist.

>>52482995
> to get overlapping PD grids.

Why would they need to be so close when space weapons range probably go around the thousand or thousands of kilometers?

Also, if you have a gigaton explosion I wouldn't worry too much either, starting with the fact that the dispersion from the origin is pretty random by itself, so chances are low and not all debris is actually dangerous(different materials that have already gone through a lot of stress, they would probably vaporice on impact).

And since your surface area is small in relation with the total surface area of the entire sphere your own PD should do the job by taking care of the most dangerous parts.

>Because antimatter drives need a whole separate magnetic containment nozzle to not burn up

It was an example, just to ilustrate the fact that any damage control team will only have spares for small and very delicate equipment that can be turned off for simple weight restrictions.

>It has shitty dV and exhaust velocity. 100 km/s is shit.

Are you sure, for the 2650km/s and the suposed mass ratio of 1.33 I have 755,75km/s

for a Brachistochrone transfers is a pretty neat number.

>>52482530
>After all, Jovians have been raised in a society which believes themselves to be pure by being without the "taint" of transhumanic technologies like cortical stacks, Medichines, Cyberware, et

Where did you get this idiotic headcanon? Jovians in the setting embrace cyber implants quite openly and their soldiers have shitton of cyber implants.

>>52483313
>It is possible to use technology and still support pure humanity without it. It's just a tool for higher cause.

Welp you know, you start by letting people use nuclear reactors in every state, nuclear explosions near populated centers and in around a decade everybody has this concept "our friend the atom" and are asking for planes flying with nuclear reactors(only the soviets actually flew one of them though), tanks with nuclear reactors, cars with nuclear reactors... and so on.

Exposition normalizes taboos, the same would happen to the jovians.

So even if they say, "we have nanotechnology, is just that we like medichines in our bodies" they are already in the path of acceptance.

>>52482467
>that most people in EP are just normal joes living off their lives as best they can with the situations they are presented in their daily lives without the AA fagotry or the Jovian paranoia.

Except they are mostly simulacra and not real, and their morphs have TITAN backdoors.

>>52483368
Not really, you can have soldiers and operatives becoming posthuman guardians of humanity like Space Marines in WH40k. Also believing that once they resleeved their soul went to heaven, so now they can abandon morals to defend humanity.Obviously you select most devoted and fanatical believers for modification.

>>52483317
>Why would they need to be so close when space weapons range probably go around the thousand or thousands of kilometers?
Because PD are made out of low powered comparatively low range lasers to ramp up the rate of fire. distances are measured in couple of hundreds kilometers here.

>It was an example, just to ilustrate the fact that any damage control team will only have spares for small and very delicate equipment that can be turned off for simple weight restrictions.
It was a bad example. A fusion ship is more robust, easier to repair and many parts of it (like fuel) can be repurposed for low-tech solutions.

>Are you sure, for the 2650km/s and the suposed mass ratio of 1.33 I have 755,75km/s

Sorry checked the wrong design. Yeah Hyde is ok in dV department but acceleration seems not that big. 40kN with a mass of 2594kKg is around 0.015g. Good drive for most ships.

>>52483308

Google Free Cities. Prep your boner.

>>52483369
>implying the TITANS even exist

IT IS ALL EXSURGENT AGENTS

EVERYTHING IS AN EXSURGENT BACKDOOR

CODE
MACHINES
FLESH

EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING IS FUCKED

>>52483854
Sucks to be someone living in the AF timeline, I guess. I'm glad alien space magic viruses cannot exist in the real timeline.

>>52484137
That's what they want you to think. Roko's Basilisk has already lulled you into a false sense of security so that when it rapes you into a fractal troll you won't even see it coming.

>>52484161
Nice try, Big Yud. I know what Roko's Basilisk is, and I know exactly how to short-circuit it.

>>52475151
You mod a car in bits and pieces I suppose, or buy a racecar from the get go

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>>52483527
Considering that EP optics and power supplies allow for handheld lethal lasers I don't think there's actually that much of a tradeoff between range and their near continuous rate of fire. You want defense lasers to be as powerful as possible in order to start downing missiles at the maximum possible range. They also serve pretty well as normal offensive weapons when in range. Cooling might become a problem over a really long fire mission (hours to days?) or with radiator damage, but lasers can usually reduce their power incrementally for that.

They aren't like modern breech-loading cannon.

Antimatter would probably be pretty good for antimatter catalyzed nuclear pulse propulsion, which is a pretty solid engine, and for a huge EP ship would probably call for grams of antimatter, which is a lot safer to contain than the 150 TONS the book says some a loaded with.

Still a good one of those should be able to go faster than practically any published EP ship.

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>>52484161
Nah, we're good.
Though I do pity anyone who works for Microsoft now.

>>52481622
I had an idea similar in purpose to that, but forgot to post it.

>Muse Personality Skinning
Sometimes you want to catch a fresh Muse up w/o having to wait for it to learn, or maybe you're the only person who understands what you want.
This psychosurgery/Muse Software procedure takes a Fork of yourself, runs it through a sim that barrages it with choices in as many configurations as the server can handle, concurrently if possible.
The choices made by your fork are collected, collated, analysed and ported into your Muse. Voila! Now your Muse knows exactly how you like your water.

>>52484577
>You mod a car in bits and pieces I suppose, or buy a racecar from the get go
>Buy a used morph, repair/upgrade/sidegrade it, ego bridge yourself to it.
Build your own body. Nice.

>>52484586
Oh yeah, if you assumed that antimatter catalyzed micro fusion rockets were pretty close to standard (and considering how cheap a gram or two of antimatter is in EP, they could be standard), that really extends out how far people travel without egocasting.

IIRC the books say that most travel which takes about a day or less is physical with egocasting taking over beyond that. With an AIM rocket Earth-Mars could be done in about a day, so there'd be a lot less egocasting in the inner system, and between close places in the outer system.

It also solves the "antimatter problem" someone came up with on the forum, where stated antimatter production is well below the fuel tanks of antimatter fueled ships.

>>52483308
It is an arcology sim/slave manager text based porn game in a future where total disregard for climate change and the divide between the rich and poor has reached so absurd levels that civilization is barely years away from total collapse.

The developer wanted to make a Mad Max tribe/army commander sim with lewd harem elements, but realised that it would be easier to just make a tycoon game with lewds as a first time project. After all, a post-apocalyptic bandit harem sim would need equipment systems, combat systems, techtrees, strategy and tactic elements, etc. Difficult for a first timer. Hopefully in the future, we can import our arcology saves into the post-apocalyptic game (IF it ever gets made).

>>52484586
Cooling will become a problem much faster if you'll use such powerful PD systems. You'll cook yourself pretty fast. Probably within a couple of minutes.

Unless EP authors decide to fuck the physics in the ass. Again.

>>52485181
These aren't PD systems, these are primary weapons, and a warship should be able to radiate enough heat to use it's primary weapons for a prolonged time.

Assuming you're trying to stop a missile/drone wave you (likely) want the firepower more. They have a window to get close, and you need to kill as many as possible in that window. Just extend more radiative surface area or run your ship hotter. Ultimately it's an optimization problem where you find the laser power most ideal for killing a given wave depending on it's numbers, durability, and speed. This likely means more powerful shots to counteract laser diffusing at long range, but with a draw down as they close to hit that optimal energy on target.

This is a lot easier if you don't have squishy heat sensitive humans inside and can just operate the ship normally at higher temperatures. Even just temperature tolerant biomorphs allows the ship to about triple it's internal ambient temperature before the crew starts having problems. An infomorph crewed ship with hardened servers should be able to basically function until it begins to melt (though that's partially because of the temperature tolerance implied by the Memediver morph)

It doesn't really matter if you have to stop shooting after two minutes if you kill every son of a bitch you don't like within a few megameters during that time. Unless you're under RKKV fire or something.

>>52486360

How could factors fare against nanoswarms of intelligent acid being sprayed constantly on top of them?

Can they actually defend from such attacks?

What about radiation weapons?

>>52486982
I'm pretty sure nothing handles being sprayed in intelligent acid well.

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>>52486982

No idea about the smart acid, but IIRC from the books the Factor's DNA analog is way more complex and resilient than earthly biochemistry, so it's possible they might be more resistant to radiation poisoning.

Which books have things for genehackers to do? If any.

>>52480909
this is largely correct, except it was T80s.
Yeah it was a completely different situation. The Russians were fucking retarded and send several columns of fancy gas-turbine powered tanks to pacify a city with no infantry support. Like, at all.
Cue the insurgents (many of whom were soviet Afghanistan veterans and knew how to use RPGs deftly) holing up in apartment blocks and raining rockets down on the thin top armour of the hapless tanks.
Russians had to pull out because they had no way to dislodge the insurgents because their guns couldn't elevate high enough to shoot them, and even if they did they would just create more ruins for the Chechens to hide in.
In contrast, the dumbfuck tribesmen fighting the chally were engaging at an equal or not significantly higher height than their target, couldn't distinguish between ammunition types and weren't aiming for any weak spots.
Also, this is why boots on the ground is always relevant.

>>52482034
>if you compensate that first shock with gel and add a giroscope that equals the force of the bullet you nullify the recoil.
Momentum is still conserved

>>52482506
You're implying the setting doesn't already take extreme liberties with technology, especially the part about assuming the mind is separable from the body.

If you accept that, then you can theoretically accept "strange alien technology that are millions of years more advanced than we are", which is where sleights come from.

Personally I'm fine with that sort of stuff in a setting when it's done the way similar to EP: it's very low key, it's never taken for granted, and it's dangerous to use.

And honestly, if there was a setting where everything was 100% based off of real life science, that would be boring. I don't want to feel like I need a fucking dual astrophysics and sociology degree when playing Eclipse Phase.

>>52483313
Mike "Homoshima and Fagasaki" Pence would disagree.

>>52445353
Oh yeah man I'm sure those corporations who run the government will play it safe and abide by regulations, I'm sure those anarchists who boldly claim that they obey literally no laws are going to be cautious and abide by some sort of common sense, I'm sure the exhumans who boldly claim that they want to fucking become x-threats are concerned with it. Who exactly do you think you're referring to?

>>52464512
>they are so hostile and paranoid noone can work with them
Or maybe they're just responding appropriately to developing x threats? Maybe you're working with us today but what about the you ten forkings and remergings later, what will their opinion be on this arrangement? Will it really be the same you with the same loyalties and the same priorities or will you be something else? You and I can only speculate.

>>52467166
Yeah maybe my original response was a little off, I think it's more a problem with the designers being so actively hostile to them (although the coverage they get in rimward's quite good and nuanced). I think they make a good faction for someone who doesn't really buy into the mind upload thing, I mean c'mon in the real world it would just be a simulation, it wouldn't be you. And nothing we've seen presented so far in this setting indicates otherwise, maybe the jovians were right all along and the rest of the solar system really is filled with synthetic copies of real people rapidly advancing towards a repeat of the Fall with their exponential advancements in power. What a twist! You were the demons.

It'd be nice if this alternate view of the setting wasn't quite so openly dressed in the trappings of latin american death squads and horrible american neo-conservative governments, they really lay it on thick and leave no doubts what you should think of them in the core rulebook which I think is just a waste.

>>52467226
>Humanity fuck yeah
>not actually human
Stupid chiphead.

>>52451183
>That's not necessarily a plausible outcome for the fork
Why? How could they tell the fork from the original? How can you even decide who is the original if they're identical? If you're both just programs on chips in your heads simulating the same long-dead person what's the fucking difference?

>>52462428
>but if you want spare bodies you have to steal them
And then you wonder why they think you're all monsters.

>>52468274
When was the last time you willfully killed yourself under the deluded impression that you'd somehow continue through an entirely separate copy of "you"?

>>52472956
>>52472663
Have you never read Rimward? It gives a lot more detail to the jovians, detail that you seem to be overlooking in these posts.

>>52472983
>actual genuine humanity for everyone
Funny how you left that out

>>52473048
>what are exhumans
This post is so fucking stupid, have any of you people actually read the books?

>>52490591

>I mean c'mon in the real world it would just be a simulation, it wouldn't be you.

I reject the premise.

What even are you? What is the mind, what is the body? Is anything in your mind "real" to begin with, or are you just the narrative constructed by the active iteration of you which fleetingly passes into the next as you take in more stimuli? If we take all the information, all the data which makes you, "you", and instance it again, is that not "you" still? Why would a "copy" of that information not be "you"? If there is an immutable spark of life to your individuality, why would that not move on to a new "you" if you died? If continuity is a delusion, isn't everything about you a delusion to begin with - a falsehood propagated by your biological mechanism to perpetuate yourself and your DNA? If you're already fake, a piece of clay molded by nature and nurture and operated by impulses and instinct beyond your control, how is a continuation, a fresh instance of "you" any more or less fake? Are you not a simulation already, programmed by your genetics, by society to operate in certain ways? How can you know you are a real, authentic individual? How do you actually know other people aren't identical to you already, can't you read their hearts and minds? Do you really know your own heart and mind?

If you replace all the boards in the ship of Theseus, is it a new ship? At what point does it become new?

If you "know" the answers to all these questions, how can you be sure? How do you "know". And is it wrong to challenge what you "know"?

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>>52473639
>most
>formidable

>>52490858
Do they have to program this garbage into you or does the shattered, tortured psyche of a dead man within you just generate that spontaneously?

>>52491074

Cute, you're roleplaying.

>>52491015

Alright. I reckon that's still a subjective input from a Jovian national - but that's still a way better sourcing than many people in the thread give.

Anyone got a working copy of Agency? Link above is to the executable, but it needs data files.

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>>52435815
We've got plenty of people going to bat for the Jovian Republic, but is anyone willing to shill for the Planetary Consortium?

>>52492417
No, because their legitimacy already goes without saying, unlike jove

>>52490858
Because quantum physics.

There is no way to create an ideal copy. At best you can get an approximation.

Ideally to get close to the real "you" you need to create copies through quantum entanglement of all atoms in your brain to the new brain in your new body.

Which of the GM 'truths' do *you* like? What was/is the ETI? Why the exsurgent virus? How do you explain asyncs? What is the dark secret nestling at the heart of the Anarchist/Socialist communes?

And just what is the problem the authors had with the concept of Erasers?

People don't read books.
For example Jovians allow cortical stacks,re-sleeving.
20% of population are in non-flat morphs.
Jovian mini-system has most ships not only because military evacuated there, but also because pre-Fall it had biggest shipyards building ships for Pan-American alliance, also for interstellar expeditions.
AI, nanotech is in military labs.
Re-sleeving can be authorized by military/government with permit.So are backups.
Infomorphs and forks are officialy banned(but military researches them)
Exotic morphs exist, but are disliked and shunned.
Medical nanotech is allowed under supervision.
Jovian population supports the government and sees outside transhumans as software replicas mostly and monsters.

>>52493729
Forgot to add that all above is taken from Rimward.

>>52493115
>because their legitimacy already goes without saying
No it doesn't. They've taken over terraforming efforts on Mars and effectively the planet itself, without demonstrating any legal basis for their ownership. Unless they can show me a receipt, the 'crown jewel' of their empire is stolen property.

>>52493751
Going to need a page number on the whole cortical stack/resleeving thing.

>>52493618
Hahahaha, you fucking retarded cunt.

Quantum mechanics has no effect on the macroworld, because as soon as two quantum systems interact, it causes an observer effect!

>>52493874
>Quantum mechanics has no effect on the macroworld
Yeah, yeah and materials and devices that work only due to quantum physics do not exist.

>>52493618
>Implying your brain cares about quantum states for the electrochemistry it does.

The brain is super noisy, it almost certainly doesn't use anything that delicate.

>>52493729
It's not really fair to say that the populace supports the government when there are bioconservative terror groups who have enough support to survive in a police state. You also missed the mention of shackled AI and nanomachines in non-military labs (Rimward Page 46 "Spear Of Longinus")

>>52493751
Some of that is from the core book as well though, to be super pedantic.

>>52493825
I don't believe there's a general statement for them but military officers do get cortical stacks, there's mention of "specialized morphs" for the JSFMC/CDC so it's likely they practice resleeving for combat units, and there are public resleeving clinic.

> Cortical stacks, backups, resleeving,
and even certain biomorphs are legal, however, if
licensed and restricted (showing that the Security
Council, above all, sees practical value in the tech-
nology). The few resleeving facilities that exist are
subject to regular protests and vandalism, and in two
cases uploading technicians have been assassinated
by religious extremists that considered them to be
murderers.

Rimward page 36. No mention of how hard to access the licences are though.

The perception of the Jovians here is probably closest to a Spear Of Longinus goon than the actual opinions of much of the people there, and definitely don't reflect the government.

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>>52493987
>The brain is super noisy, it almost certainly doesn't use anything that delicate.
We'll see some day.

For now we know that ideal copy is not possible. How much differences there will be between an original and a copy due to that is unknown for now. But saying that it will be all good is just optimism without any basis in reality.

>>52493965
Those are specifically engineered to limit the contact between quantum systems, you retard.

>>52494076
Fuck off, there is nothing that implies braincopying won't work.

There is no bio or physics reason why it would be impossible. All the difficulty is in psy and eng.

>>52493987
Wait, there are terror groups in Jovexico that bomb shit because they think Joves aren't Jove enough? Interesting.

>>52494103
Where I said the copying is impossible? I just pointed in the direction of a problem that may fuck up your ideal world where each copy is really you.

Copying a brain is definitely. How precise the copy will be is another question. All we know for now is that it won't be ideal no matter how hard we try.

>>52493339
Why is that gorilla hairless/furless?

>>52489947
>You're implying the setting doesn't already take extreme liberties with technology, especially the part about assuming the mind is separable from the body.
How is that an extremely liberty? The brain operates on known principles. Why would it not be emulatable?

>>52490675
>How could they tell the fork from the original?
Can't. Don't care.
>How can you even decide who is the original if they're identical?
Originality is a dumb concept to apply here anyway.
>If you're both just programs on chips in your heads simulating the same long-dead person what's the fucking difference?
Brains are just meat chips anyway, and death is a user-defined concept.

>>52493618
This is nonsense. If identical quantum states are necessary for a full copy then you as a person are obliterated by thermal noise every nanosecond.

>>52494290
A problem that can be solved by not caring isn't a real problem.

>>52491191
>>52473595
>>52473639

Actually on page 44 Rimward states that

The extent of Jovian military capabilities is classified, of
course, but it is clear that their Space Force is the largest and most well-equipped fleet in the system, hosting
numerous dreadnoughts, battleships, and destroyers,
along with uncounted numbers of frigates, patrol craft,
and smaller ships.

>>52495174
>Battleships
>In space

>>52482253
>Which doesn't account for the fact that you need big ass facilities running at insane energies to get antimatter

Page 44 of Rimward
''ANTIMATTER FACTORY
The flux tube produced by Io’s interaction with
Jupiter’s magnetosphere provides a perfect source
of power for the Republic’s antimatter facility there.
This factory is the primary source of antimatter for
the Space Force’s antimatter drives and is heavily
defended given its strategic value.''

>>52495179
If you don't like the setting, play another game sweetie.

>>52495197
Everyone else is fine. It's just the Jovians playing WWII in space that gets to me.

>>52495219
All major powers in Eclipse Phase have dreadnoughts and battleships.

>>52495219
>Everyone else is fine. It's just the Jovians playing WWII in space that gets to me.
If something should upset you it's the Crystal Wind.
The interstellar ship makes no sense at all in the setting.
It is above the power efficiency of EP society and it is also terribly inefficient. 800 years to Bernard's Star, plus recreational decks ? That's idiotic.
They could send a probe with cornucopia machines, nano-swarms and alpha forks that would probably arrive there in 80 years.
Also building such immense ship is simply not possible with the amount of power TC has.

>>52495076
Yes and?

Human mind is a process and tends to break down if it stops. It progresses from one state to another from moment to moment.

If you make a copy you get two processes running in parallel but their starting positions will be different due to quantum uncertainty and inability to make ideal copy.

Running brains on silicone or pod cadaver variants hardware adds additional differences between processes. And so on.

>>52495219
Concentrating maximum firepower in minimal volume of space is effective. The fact that it doesn't matter much in presence of RKV is another matter.

Battleships would be effective if Jovians were running something similar to Macross style habitats capable of dodging long range attacks. In such a situation opponents will have no choice but to engage with the fleet to get to the habs.

>>52495443
Do they even have an RKV in EP? I've never seen a mention of one. The fastest ship available is a bloody antimatter courier, and those aren't exactly popping up to lightspeed anywhere in the solar system. Even if they just strapped the engines to a few kilograms of ice and the fuel tanks they'd still be unable to get into it unless they started further out than the oort cloud.

>>52495472
0.3c that antimatter ships could achieve is more than enough to obliterate anything.

In case you want to squeeze a little more drop a laser sail on them.

>>52495504
That comes out to 4 Peta-joules/1 Megaton [From the classical Energy-Mass eqn.] per kilo you fire. Sounds good where I'm standing.

>>52495504
Cool, but it isn't an RKV. First group to start producing those would own the system.

>>52495592
Mercury, Mars, Jovians and Titan all have them.

>>52495611
Not RKVs, or give me a page number. Being able to jam something that size up to .90-99c is absurd, even for EP.

>>52495620
They have 0.3c variants. It's more than enough to fuck up the whole system.

>>52495749
That isn't an RKV. That's a very high speed missile. An RKV is something riding so close on the tail of its own light that it'll annihilate whatever is pointed at it with no potential for prevention. The 0.3c will fuck something up, sure, but you can see it coming without having to wait until it's knocking on your door and singing Kum Susser Todd.

>>52495769
And what difference does it make if you are still dead?

>>52495827
It isn't an RKV.

>>52495769
If you put high speed missile w/ constant acceleration on a intercept orbit, would it become an RKV?

>>52495926
Constant? Sure. If it had long enough to accelerate. And could carry enough fuel. And.. you get the idea. Wouldn't even need to be a missile, a few hundred kilograms of ice at that speed would do some terrible things.

Current EP level tech would need to start out in a second star system to manage 'proper' RKV status.

>>52492417

I would.

They might be manipulative, condescent, egocentrical assholes but they have created a system that is actually a synthesis of the old Earth and the new oportunities brough by the TITANs.

This is expresed in their society too, their people are mostly a mix bioconservatives that actually take some care about their ego identity instead of being a society formed by reputation whores, and their citizens actually take some care to view technology with respect and accept some restrictions without the constant TITAN backdooring the AA suffers or the tech lag of the Jovians.

Also, if you were to chose where to live, always choose to be a middle class PC citizen, you will be richer, quite free, safe, stable and free in a neat balance between all of those.

So yeah, I can see that the PC actually has some advantages on the table.

>>52495993
Yeah if you are a free citizen and have a stable work PC is a pretty nice place to live.

>>52495179

To be fair, the authors already stated that space combat realism should be avoided to keep the flow going.

Another example are "space fighters" which no matter what don't make any sense in space, but they are still there.

>>52495993
Apparently, most anarchist/autonomists live like kinds compared to the 'average' worker, so probably 'middle' class.

Shame
>>52496017
If I had to guess, I'd peg 'fighters' as lifesupport capsules with ablative foam coating, some engines, lots of emissions technology and energy weapons. The equivalent of a knife in the spine in the dark. Cruises in, drops its payload of hot, steaming, creamy energy and fires off and hopes noone caught the vector.

>>52496017
Well autonomous drones/missiles with close combat kinetic weapons should be a working concept.

Close the distance using chemical drives to have some pretty good evasive manoeuvrers. Shoot at target with kinetic weapons from 10-20 km. Try to ram it or blow up and shower it with your chunks.

>>52496110
>Close the distance using chemical drives to have some pretty good evasive manoeuvrers. Shoot at target with kinetic weapons from 10-20 km. Try to ram it or blow up and shower it with your chunks.

You have played children of a dead Earth too, did you?

Yeah, space drones are another thing they even serve for early missile interception, but only because you don't have to worry about a life support.

>>52481692
it is a space drone the air force was working on to intercept ICBM's in space.

>>52496017

Well, fighters are basically just drones designed to be operated by teleoperation, though sometimes onboard AI. They are the one type of spacecraft which explicitly says "BTW, this only holds one and it's an infomorph". Reusable drones to help establish local space superiority and kill other spacecraft isn't crazy - though calling them fighters might give people the wrong impression.

>>52496194
Aside from 'energy weapons, or lots of nanofabs so you can shit bullets at one remove", what other kit should a character be carrying for an Earth based campaign?

>>52496215
As in on Earth, or in earth-orbit?

>>52496029
The most valuable skill in the reputation economy is the ability to make people think you're not a loser. People will go to tremendous lengths to look like they're living like kings.

>>52496256
The 'on' earth.

>>52496310
Then a recommend getting a Psychosurgery procedure so that the Alpha-Fork you send of yourself is blanked of any information that could be used against transhumanity as well as having your fork comfortable with the idea that it is likely not coming back.

>>52493776
>questions as to the PC's legitimacy ignored in favor of flashier topics
Just like the Thrasis League, your objections don't matter, because their legitimacy already goes without saying

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