Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

Cunts

ogryn are pretty great

Everyone wants to fuck SoB! But no one can fuck them harder than GW!

There's already a thread up. Good job.

>>52296039
I'm not even the one who made this thread but the new thread doesn't have a title AND wasn't linked to the old thread

Really goes to show how fucking retarded all you newfags and the concept of general threads are

>>52295944
dat novel when an unarmed Ogryn stands his ground against a full squad of Eldar raiders and even manages to kill like five of them before he gets beheaded by the warlock

you were too pure for this world Crusha

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>Storm troopers will never get good rules or fluff

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My list, that I'm planning to use.

I dont actually have any other models so even If I picked shit units I can't really swap them around, it's 100% modeled accurately to the wargear they're using and even the veteran sargents have veteran markings.

Do you think this is an alright list?

>>52296165
Looking to spend my $25 credit at my LGS. Looking for suggestions.

>>52296821

What do you already have, and what do you need for your army? I'm sure you know what you want better than random people on the internet. Grow a pair and make your own choices faggot.

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>>52296596
I adore the new storm trooper fluff and models, and have fun playing them despite their rules inadequacies

>>52296821
Throw in an extra $500 and buy your entire country's supply of Eldar Guardian snapfit boxes

You're a footdar player now buddy

>>52296897
>mfw I feel the same way about my melee space marines
>except it's a lot harder to get into melee than it is to shoot things

I love when people try to tell me I play an overpowered army though just because dumb shit like grav, bikes, and free transports exists but I don't use any of them. Chainswords OP

>>52296921
Guess I'll have to throw in another $100 for fare to NYC so I can jump off the tallest building.

>>52296854
Post was linked to, but...
1000pts of Black Templars (Crusader Squads, 2x Razorbacks, LRC, and a Vindicator). Was looking at a Thunderfire Cannon, but I'm open to suggestions.

>>52296934
Yes sir, thunder hammers are the coolest but only if you don't take a storm shield.

BA assault squad, two meltas and a veteran sargent with a thunder hammer.
I call them the wrecking crew.

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>>52297172
Indeed!

>start assembling my HH shit as CSM
>realize it's completely fucking pointless without rhinos
>immediately lose all interest in assembly

Fuck this game.

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S-s-senpai plz rate me

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>>52297674
Senpai plz

>>52297595
Use alpha legion rules.

>>52297595
>hating rhinos
rhinos are beautiful

your second option is to scratch build enough terrain to play ZM

>>52297712

And if I don't want to play AL?

>>52297764

It's not a matter of the rhinos themselves, but the fact that for every 5 dudes I have, I need to buy a fucking rhino. That's 6 rhinos per HH box.

>>52297807
>every 5 dudes
>>>>>running min squads rather than 10-man squads
or at least 8-man, for leadership purposes

chaos marines are cheap, and without ATSKNF you want a bit of staying power

>>52297807

Then don't play MSU.

>>52297674
>>52297690
Consider grabbing the traitor legion book from the mega. CSM vanilla book is pretty terrible on its own, traitor legions makes them adequate for a fun game. Rubrcis are pretty terrible and points inefficient. Cultists are better than tzaangors. Marks are bad on a sorceror, it's a waste of a power, same goes for the lone mark in the terminator squad, it just won't help enough and will be hard to track on the tabletop. Also, please use the list builder in the OP, battlescribe is a chore to read through and figure out the additions

>>52297838
>>52297845

That goes against every other piece of advice ever given here.

>>52297807

You could solve this problem by running 10 man squads. Since it sounds like you just want to whine and shit up the general, though, go fuck yourself. Sell everything on eBay at a loss.

Or run every unit in Land Raiders so you only need 3 of them :^)

Reposting from previous thread because concerns for my wallet.

So I'm toying around with fielding Anvil Strike Force with an allied detachment of Adeptus Custodes. Basically I spam Custodes and just add more tanks and thunderfire cannons or aircraft the higher the points go. Too WAACy?

>>52297918

No.

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>>52296897
I love the models, and that's why I have them as an army, but their fluff....the general idea is good, but the actual writing in what GW optimistically calls a 'codex' was pretty fucking awful.

They went full-on grim derp, and whilst stormtroopers are supposed to be indoctrinated, they took it even further to the extreme where stormtroopers won't even think for themselves, they just wait for orders like robots.

Brilliant special forces that would make.

>>52297892
>at a loss
Actually, I'd probably make a profit. I bought two Calths for a total of $120.

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a..a..are Thousand Sons any good? They're my favorite but i don't want to get booty blasted if I play them

>>52297807
>It's not a matter of the rhinos themselves, but the fact that for every 5 dudes I have, I need to buy a fucking rhino. That's 6 rhinos per HH box

Thats $120 off eBay, used or new.
Invest in razorback turrets, $15 each, and you got a rhino/razorback option.
Invest in predator parts, $30 each, and you got a tank option.
Invest in vindicator or whirlwind parts, $30 each, and you got siege options.
Invest in magnets, $20, and you got a long term investment.

Or just play an army that doesn't require much money to play. Like Custodes.

>>52295911
>Pregent sisters with big bouncy xeno babies, edition.


I don't have a reaction image for so much heresy!

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>>52295911
I've got this local tournament on monday and want feedback on this list I'm going to run.

>>52297960

You don't need to be a dick, nobody is going to show up on a Monday anyway.

>>52297945
Then knock yourself out, and take your shitposting elsewhere.

>>52297887
five man units test when they take two casualties
eight man units test when they take three casualties

In the case of chaos marines, going to ten lets you grab a second special weapon, which makes your troop choices more than just a speed-bump. Especially since they can both be shooting out of the top hatch of your metal box for most of the game.

Min-maxing/MSU's got a place, but unless you're reaaaal keen on high-end tournament nonsense it's not necessary.

>>52297938

Do what I do. Disregard stupid shit and make my guys.

>>52297953
Play who you like. Plus TS can be good if you play your cards right.

>>52297960
for a tourney ok but for anything else royally fuck yourself.

>>52297953
Worst unit in one of the worst codexs. Run Marine MSU with Grave and re-fluff them/paint them as TS.

>>52297933

Why not? I basically get to spam vindicators/las preds/thunderfires out my ass while custodes are either ObSecing or blitzing the front and venerable contemptors are deep striking in the rear.

Its not going to outright defeat the most WAACy shit or even win 75% of the time, but I don't want to field an army that feels unfun to play against.

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inb4 8th edition starter will have no marines faction

>>52295911
I thought gretchen were surgically wired into Kanz...

>>52298053
>>52297980
What is wrong with it?

>>52298033
I know 40k, there is no "play who you like" there is "play who you like except this list of armies that you will never have fun with unless you're a masochist"

I just wanted to know if TS were on that list since they are a new release

>>52298061
>unit
I wanted to know about the rules that were in the Traitor Legions supplement not the individual unit

>>52297953

They aren't the best of the best, but in all honesty as long as you are playing casually any army can do just fine. Yeah you'd have problems with WAAC fags, but honestly math hammer isn't the end all be all. You can use them and win and have fun. There just might be a bit of a learning curve.

>>52298078
its cheesy asf but for a tourney sure, go for it.

>>52297953
They're a bit overcosted but still mid tier. If you bring Magnus and daemons they're quite strong.

>>52298087
If you can't have fun without winning you shouldn't play 40k. Out of all my 40k games I think I've only never had fun like twice and even after I had a roight laff.

>>52298094
oh. It's a casual tourney with people who will show up with orks and nids and fluff lists, not a full blown WAAC one.

Should I tone it down?

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Anons, please help me with my list, I'm new. I read up on Armageddon after finding out about the new starter set, and thought it'd be cool to have an Ork invasion force with Blood Axes, since they're my favorite Ork Klan from the fluff. I've got 88 points to spare and I don't know what to do with them.

1500 Blood Axes

HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Lucky Stikk, 25
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Ammo Runt, 3
Total, 133

-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55

Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+3 Power Klaw, 75
+7 Big Choppa, 35
Total, 375

Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Kill Kannon, 30
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
Total, 165

-Kommandos, 50
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 10
+2 Kommandos, 20
+2 Burnas, 30
+Boss Snikrot, 60
Total, 205

Troops
-2xBoyz, 60
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 10
Total, 117 (234)

Dedicated Transport
+3xTrukk, 35
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 55 (110)

Fast Attack
-Blitza Bommer, 135

Total, 1412

>>52298064

Because your super super golden turku men will suffer. You won't have many, and they will die. Loses will be proportionally harder on you than on an opponent with a less elite army and you won't have as much table presence. It'll be kinda like playing death watch I'd imagine. Sure you're dead killy, but you end up dead.

>>52298123
dunno, people might just get pissed with them all being able to jinx. Bikes in 7th are nasty my dude. Just run it over with others, if they're okay with a challenge go for it.

>>52298133

>It'll be kinda like playing death watch I'd imagine. Sure you're dead killy, but you end up dead.

Deathwatch never really seems dead killy from what I've seen in action, they just end up being unable to recover from a loss of one or two squads. I get the point, though.

>>52298127
Use Army Builder pls.
but with 88 points I'd recommend some grots to hold stuff. Also you should have more heavy armour like Deff Dreads, your trukks will get shredded and all heavy fire will go on your BW. Also put a grot rigger on your battlewagon. I'd suggest detracting from the nobz or get rid of the upgrades on the trukks, they will be blown up first or second turn, theyre just for getting the boyz roight in the foight.

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>>52298123
Man I suggest running it with no mercy. People have to learn that 40k is a game of winners and losers at some point and that they can't hide in their "causal tourney!" safe spaces.

Once everyone is full on WAAC then maybe games will actually be competitive/close instead of one sided bore fests.

>>52298127
Stormboyz are pretty fluffy for Blood Axes, and if you want to do a fluffy Blood Axe theme of imitating militaries, you could add Mek Guns for cheap artillery or AA.

Though, I don't play Orks and don't know if Stormboyz are a good unit or not, nor do I know if Mek Guns are actually good with the exception of that one ridiculous variant.

>>52298022

Hrm. Maybe I'll do that then. They'll be my plasma guys since I'll have melta raptors up front and Autocannons in the back.

>>52298176

I was giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming your super marines 5 across the board would mean they'd do okay. But to be quite honest I assume they won't do well.

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>>52298197
>advocating WAACing a casual group
>recommending to force your group into full WAAC mode
>not wanting to play in a 100% casual group with casual fluffy lists instead of the same netlisted bullshit
As expected of a homoerotic Eldar player

>>52298208

Really depends on who they fight and the delivery method. With Golden Task Force instead of obsec, their deep strikes will basically land wherever I want. Tanks can also be bullet magnets and take some of the heat off. Still, very situational and you're probably right.

>>52298226

Casual groups are the best.

An old friend started playing again, and there's this super casual group starting around them with nids and Orks and shit. However, I'm a Schizoid and will likely never see them again. Fun!

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>>52298226
You play a game to win don't you? When everyone is playing to win instead of messing around maybe then your wins will feel more rewarding and earned.

Case in point: Before I ran this list everyone was playing shitty unoptimised lists with no focus on winning the game. lists like foot marines and ork boy spam.
Now they run lists to actually win and I actually have to play the game to win. They are still all fighting for second place though.

Had someone vow to quit the hobby after he faced me when he no word of a lie said "You've ruined the spirit of the game". If anything he has because people should play to win and it's not my fault he's to mentally fickle to get that. Now he plays Bolt Action something which I will soon go into as well.

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>>52298354

>>52298200
Worst case scenario you end up splitting them into two 5-man units each, but I like having the more meaty troop squads. Lets them be a bit more annoying/last a bit longer.

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>>52298226
I love that pic so much.

>>52298354
>555-come-on-now

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>>52298354

>>52298354
Kek just bring something with 13 armour and that list would get rekt EZ. Also bad Eldar bait.

>>52298191
The army builder doesn't work on mobile, unfortunately.

Anon told me to put the Reinforced Rams on the Trukks to make sire they don't get immobilized when crossing terrain, and the Boarding Planks are for guaranteeing charges easier. It made sense to take them, in my mind. Grot riggers give It Will Not Die, right? Yeah, that makes sense. I like my Nob Star since they get a whole slew of heavy attacks, and I thought it'd be fun to have them in there. I guess not? Should I get rid of the Big Choppas and fit in the Deff Dread? I'd heard they were pretty bad in the Ork Codex, but I dunno.

>>52298198
I do like Stormboyz, and Mek Guns seem pretty cool, though I dunno which ones to take. Kannons, Lobbas, and Kustom Mega Kannons all seem pretty good.

>>52298197
Your Fedora is showing.

>>52298475
Take the Big Choppas if you are going against an army that has army higher than a 3+ or 4+ (forgot if it was ap5 or 4) or else its pretty much useless. Dreads are better than Kanz for sure, put them under a KFF and give them a rigger and its pretty hard to kill them.

>>52298536
I dunno, I just want to collect them right now for fun, but I also want it to be an okay list if I ever do get around to playing. I know that Orks are a really weak army, but still. Big Choppas are AP5.

If I fit the Deff Dread in my list then I could just buy the Start Collecting box, which is nice.

>>52298354
Sad part is, I have no doubt some people actually think like this.

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what could i improve in this list? I'm playing 1250 points, maelstrom game.
I tried to included pretty much my favorite model but now I have some points left and i wonder what would be the best way to fill some gap in the army list.

I'm gonna try to fish for ghoststorm + soulswitch with the sorcerors, i'f i'm really lucky and get it both on the first try i'll probably roll on telepathy i guess for sweet shrouded / invis / psychic shriek

>>52298632
I should add that i'm playing night lords btw

>>52298226
>Marine getting best sportsman

They're nearly as bad as fucking Aeldari with their thunderfire and grav spam.

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>>52298354
>shuriken cats
>not scatlasers

can't even bait properly/10

>>52297887
/tg/ sucks at the game.

>>52298680
It's almost like being the most popular faction means they have a greater variety in player type than the other armies.

>>52298680
It's a Blood Angel. That image was also made at the dawn of 7th, when they were still reeling from their codex nerf.

>>52298594
Okay, this is weird, I must have miscounted somewhere in my army because I had more than enough points available after removing a Power Klaw. Did I remove something else other than a Power Klaw? Or did I just add up something wrong?

1500 Blood Axes 'Blitzkrieg Invasion of Armageddon'

HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Lucky Stikk, 25
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Ammo Runt, 3
Total, 133
+++++
-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55
+++++
Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+2 Power Klaw, 50
+8 Big Choppa, 40
Total, 355
+++++
Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Kill Kannon, 30
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Grot Riggers, 10
Total, 170
+++++
-Kommandos, 50
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 10
+2 Kommandos, 20
+2 Burnas, 30
+Boss Snikrot, 60
Total, 205
+++++
Troops
-2xBoyz, 60
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 10
Total, 117 (234)
+++++
Dedicated Transport
+3xTrukk, 35
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 55 (110)
+++++
Fast Attack
-Blitza Bommer, 135
+++++
Heavy Support
-Deff Dread, 80
+Third Power Klaw, 10
+Grot Riggers, 10
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 100

Total, 1472

>>52296934
i dont know the name for the power for space marine because i play chaos but using the new marine psychic power you can move a melee squad some truly ridiculous range.
assuming both the psyker + melee squad and the fodder squad starts next to each other

Move 6'' both
Ghoststorm to move a unit up to 18'' away
Soulswitch with them, put the squad in max coherancy range up to 6'' away as per the ruling for the power
charge up to 12''
with luck and planning you can do even more than that, for a sweet charge of up to 38'' from a starting line, can really help a squad move to assault fast and catch pesky eldar that try to run away

>>52298680
>BA
>TFC
>grav

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Reminder

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How does tg prefer to play its games?

A. Make lists separately for a point level then decide the mission type. (Competitive)

B. Make lists with opponent cooperatively to ensure a good game, then decide mission type.

C. Choose mission type then build lists separately

D. Choose mission type then build lists together. (Narrative)

>>52298742
Oh, I must have forgotten to add the Painboy cost or something, since I re-added and it's 1497, which makes a lot more sense!

How is my list now?

>>52298742
Are you putting the kommandos in a trukk?

>>52298855
Build one list separately and then play a six month long campaign with those lists

>>52297960
You will auto lose unless you add a second detatchment or remove the dark talon due to everything forced to start in reserves.

>>52298855

A
Sometimes we'll discuss specific units we'll be bringing to our next game.

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>>52298855
Does anyone actually do anything other than option A? Sounds nice.

My group absolutely insists on list secrecy until both players have finished making them to prevent even the possibility of "subconscious tailoring". And we roll for mission type at the start of the game like GW intended, meaning a given list can be fucked over if we decide to play something other than Maelstrom.

>>52298889
I forgot this one but enjoy this one. Patrician taste.

>>52298911
>My group absolutely insists on list secrecy until both players have finished making them to prevent even the possibility of "subconscious tailoring". And we roll for mission type at the start of the game like GW intended, meaning a given list can be fucked over if we decide to play something other than Maelstrom.

That's what I do too. I like the uncertainty in the list building, while there's still a general "gotta build a list to make sure I don't get fucked of X thing happens".

To me it creates more well-rounded lists as people cover their bases.

>>52298911
I personally enjoy cooperative list building. Even just "hey I'm bringin this stuff" to make sure I don't show up with armor, air, lord of war, or competitive build without my opponent being able to make it a fun game.

>>52298650
>>52298632

Its not super fluffy but a flyong daemon prince of tzeentch with NL rules is bretty good and survivable, give it a whirl.

>>52298870
Dang it, I just noticed more than a few errors, like having the three right there. Lemme fix this.

Fixed version! I even had enough points to bring back the Nob's Power Klaw!

1500 Blood Axes 'Blitzkrieg Invasion of Armageddon'

HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Lucky Stikk, 25
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Ammo Runt, 3
Total, 134

-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55

Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+3 Power Klaw, 75
+7 Big Choppa, 35
Total, 355

Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Kill Kannon, 30
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Grot Riggers, 10
Total, 170

-Kommandos, 50
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
+2 Kommandos, 20
+2 Burnas, 30
+Boss Snikrot, 60
Total, 200

Troops
-2xBoyz, 60
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 112 (224)

Dedicated Transport
+2xTrukk, 30
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 50 (100)

Fast Attack
-Blitza Bommer, 135

Heavy Support
-Deff Dread, 80
+Third Power Klaw, 10
+Grot Riggers, 10
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 100

Total, 1496

>>52298936
This is a good point. Secrecy does encourage more balanced lists, though knowing what armies/units your opponent has at his disposal can limit this.

Anybody got a Magnus model? How tall is that motherfucker in cm/inches?

>>52298855

my group throws all of our pro-painted models we got off ebay into a bag and we blind draw one model, taking turns. Each model is the smallest unit of they kind (so drawing a necron warrior means you have a unit of 10) and if you draw two of the same model you can have a full unit of it and pick special gear for it. One time this new guy to the area wanted to play and we held out the bag to him to put his models into and he didn't want to. I think he just had autism or something so we helped him out by taking his admech army and tossed it into the bag and shook it around and drew one of his guys. He had a spazz attack about this and broke into tears. Some players just don't know how to have casual fun do they?

>>52298986

I actually prefer Nurgle NL Prince because it allows him to take something that isn't a Stormbolt plate while being more survivable against grav. Plus, Tzeentch discipline is dog shit, while Nurgle is much better overall, so you don't waste one of your powers.

>>52298986
I tried it once in a bigger game but my opponent thought it was too much cheese, even though i told him twice that he add the option to you know... just ignore him. He didn't want to and now if I bring it again I fear i'll be that guy. But your advice is noted and i think i'll try to see what i can do with maybe... DP with talons of the night terror and power armour? much less strong but maybe people wont cry foul too much

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

>>52299086
I'm really liking this cute new meme.

>>52299024
Despite how obvious it is this is a shitpost this is actually a really neat idea

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>>52299006
How is this list, anons? Would I be better off swapping the Deff Dread out for something else, or nah? Anything else I should change?

I'm gonna use this guy for my Warboss, he looks really cool.

>>52298855
I'm heavily for A. The only thing that I'd say is alright to adjust with your opponent is agreeing about fliers or no fliers. Wasting points on Flakk missiles, an Icarus Array or any anti-air, really, feels absolutely terrible if there's not a single flier around.

ALRIGHT GENTLEMEN.

HOW DO WE MAKE BLACK TEMPLARS (using their Chapter's units and playstyles) VIABLE ENOUGH TO COMPETE WITH AT LEAST TIER 2 ARMIES.

>>52299066

NL Nurgle DP has a 2+ jink and getting +d6 attacks on the charge with shred is pretty great for a Prince.

>>52299086
MY DICK IS THICC RITE NOW

>>52299136
>Icarus Array
>waste of points
Check your fucking AdMech privilege. The Icarus Array is still absolute gold if the enemy has even a single skimmer in their army, and even if they don't, it still has so many fucking shots that you're sure to hit something.

>buying anti-air that only does the anti-air job
Generally shit choices anyway. Take shit that has something to do when there's no flyers, anyway, like Mortis Dreads or Havocs with a quadgun, or, indeed, the Icarus Onager.

>>52297953
Pure TS are shit, but they synergize well enough with Tzeentch daemons.

>>52298033
The only good TS list is Magnus and three Princes.

>>52298090
>as long as you are playing casually any army can do just fine
Any more worthless platitudes you want to throw out there? This kind of attitude lasts all the way until a casual player shows up with Tau or Eldar or any of the other effortlessly powerful lists.

>>52298107
Thousand Sons (sans Magnus) going full balls to the wall WAAC with invisible, unkillable death stars are mid tier. Anything approaching casual/fluffy Sons is shit tier.

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Dubs decides what i do with my planetary empires set

>>52299222
eat it

>>52299222
I guess you'll decide on that yourself, trips and all.

Or send it to me.

>>52299222
Play a campaign with it

>>52299222
set up a planetary empires campaign, nerd

>>52299222
shitpost on /tg/ about it

>>52297953

Add Magnus and Tzeentch Daemons and they're good

>>52299237
Well whadya know, i did get trips>>52299241
, nice

>>52299086
Delicious armpits

>>52298855
Almost exclusively A/B.
My opponent and I usually decide beforehand on point limit and any other details ("no flyers" for example) when the game is first scheduled. Then when the day comes, we tell the other our lists and roll for the mission, the board layout, and all the other pre-game duties.
If it turns out that the game would be pretty horribly unbalanced (IE kill points with a low model-count army vs a horde army) then we either reroll or change it up somehow to make it more fair. List changes are also handled pretty gentlemanly. If you brought something with Skyfire and you opponent brought no flyers/skimmers/FMC, then chances are I'll let you swap it out and vice versa. Same goes for if you fuck up something in your list and need to fix it. Chances are I'll let you fix whatever you fucked up on, but I expect the favor to be repaid in kind. If I move a unit later on and then remember in the Psychic or Shooting Phase I had a different plan for them in mind earlier I simply forgot, then I kind of expect you to let me go back and remove them as long as they haven't done anything besides do the one movement.

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>>52295911
I love Ogryn and Bullgryn. I want to use a Bullgryn squad with all power mauls someday, but it's such a point sink.

5 Bullgryn with Mauls
Primaris Psyker ML2
Priest

That's 410 points that will probably do maybe 100 points worth of damage. I guess if you roll Endurance and keep getting the cast off, it will probably take a lot of fire power. I guess that's how you have to think of Bullgryn. How many points of units will the enemy use to kill off the Bullgryn? Could be near 1000 to dislodge them, could also be one Vindicator or Demolisher shot.

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Would you play a casual list against this?

>>52299024

>throwing models into a bag
>shaking the bag

Paints going to chip, parts are going to break

>>52299304
I love the bullgryn models. I think they look so cool but I dont want to do anything at all aside from them with astra millitarum. What do fellow anon?

>>52298475
Rams are great, planks are meh. The ability to cut through terrain and line up a sneaky charge your opponent didn't see coming is great.

>>52299221

>Thousand Sons (sans Magnus) going full balls to the wall WAAC with invisible, unkillable death stars are mid tier. Anything approaching casual/fluffy Sons is shit tier.

Not if you spam Vraks artillery and rapier batteries!

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Who is the coolest 40k character and why is it Kharn?

>>52297953
As many have stated, they aren't that bad but they ARE overcosted. You don't need daemons to be good, but they fare well with a lot of sorcerers and mastery levels. I am a purist and I don't use daemons or summoning but do use two maulerfiends to serve as big distractions.

Use discs on all your sorcs and pack as many mastery levels are possible. I recommend you field at the very least 5 pimped out Sorcs (Disc, spell familiar, ML3, MoT, 170 each) in 2k on top of your rubrics and scarab occult (if you're using the Grand Coven and why wouldn't you?). the more the better.

It's not competitive as fuck, but it's nice and great fun. Very strong in a casual environment.

>>52299349
take two HQ choices, four Troops choices and run the castellans detachment?

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This is what I have for my first game, it's most of the models I have so I can't really add stuff like terminators.

Is there anything immediately obvious I should change around?

>>52299367

I really like the Emperor, seems a lot of people in the setting really like him as well.

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>>52299086
>eldar are the strongest race!
>aeldari
lmao

>>52299332
If my 'casual list' was wraithlords and riptide spam, sure, why not.

>>52299408
Those damn cheetas every time they get me

>>52299367
Well, he's just such a nice guy.

>>52299349
There's a few ways. First is allied detachment, you can do a Lord Commissar, a unit of Bullgryn and a single Veteran squad to hold objectives. You can even upgrade them to be in a Chimera with special weapons if you want.

Then there is a detachment from the Cadia supplement called the Rampart Detachment. That's 2 units of 5 Bullgryn and 5 Guardsmen in a Platoon Command Squad. It's a lot of points, but they have some nice rules like Fear, Fearless, Counter-Attack and also they give out an additional cover save to units behind them. With their Slabshields and that rule, they can give infantry behind them a 3+ mobile cover save.

Another way is to run a Castellans detachment if you are running Marines. You can do all Marines, but then add in a squad of Bullgryn and a Priest.

The final way is to run and unbound list.

>>52299367
The coolest 40k character is Ahriman.

All other claims to this title are fools and glory seekers unfit to even serve as his bootlick as he strives in his quest over ten thousand years of searching for knowledge required to save his brothers at any cost.

Also, he does his own thing and flips of his 'patron deity' without so much as a second thought at every turn.

>>52299363
>Harlequins are top tier because you can ally Craftworlds in the same list

>inb4 you're that one autist who won't shut the fuck up about his WAAC R&H Tzeentch superfriends netlist

>>52299418

You think that Blood Angels decurion is on the same level as Riptide Wings?

Really, anon? Really?

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>>52299418
>Wraithlords
You leave my spoopy big guys out of this.

>>52299455
Fuck yes. Completely agreed.

On this line of thought, how fitting would it be to use his 30k model in place of his 40k one? I'd still give him a similar helmet and possibly a staff but I'd keep the pre-heresy TS iconography and add the new TS Ouroboros on the other shoulderpad. Ahriman is a nostalgic sort, so I can imagine him opting to keep some Ye Olde Runes on his gear (or at least, my version of Ahriman)

>>52299460

It.. it was a joke, anon.

LVO did get swept by a screamerstar + vraks cheese though, makes me kind of salty when im just trying to do CSM + Tzeentch Daemons.

>>52299349
Take a Rampart Detachment with some Veteran squads.

Give the veterans Forward Sentries.

Take some Company Command Squads in a Cadian Battlegroup detachment for access to order spam and laugh as your vet squads chuck out heavy weapon shots as they move up behind a 2+ cover save only to break off and secure objectives. Likewise your CCS can take heavy weapons and order themselves to move as well, and not go down to snap shots.

>>52297960
KickstartMyHeart/10

>>52299494
I converted the 30k Ahriham model to just a normal Chaos sorcerer by swapping heads and cutting egpytian-esque stuff off (didnt want him to be TS).

>>52299455
>coolest character
>couldn't handle some yiffer terminators
lmao

>>52299497
>LVO did get swept
Well, he lost to barkbarkstar like everyone else. Besides, there was a lot of Tzeentch at LVO this year. One guy had the audacity to actually play Rehati Flying Circus and call it a Thousand Sons list, so technically 1kSons placed top 8.

>>52299455
>basically kills all TS because kek.

>>52299494
I have the heavy ass paperweight Ahriman, the new disk-jetbike Ahriman, and two Propsero Ahriman.

Painting up a 30k and 40k version of the Propsero Ahriman.

I want a 3rd one to paint as 30k with a light glazing overlay of 40k so as to function as a transitional model.


But my biggest thing that I want to do is to make a duplicant army. It would be 30k Thousand Sons with 40k Thousand Sons, identical in every conceivable notion. Probably run it at 750/750, it would be a Battle Brothers allied army, and anyone who says "But you can't ally-" is gonna get punched in the dick because I'm literally having Ahriman and Ahriman team up across a warp-spawned time rift to ensure the future can unmake the past.

>>52299539

He did? Which barkstar?

>>52299529
>Made contact with space yiff assault leader
>Mind battle
>Tossed his faggot ass soul into the Warp for all eternity

>>52299550
>Tries to save his brothers from Tzeentch's bullshit
>Fucks up
>Spends next 10,000 years trying to un-fuck his brothers

yeah totes 'because kek'

Ignorant fool.

>>52299565
Brandon Grant's Azraelbarkstar. Admittedly he lost the game mostly because of a botched Grimoire roll, but still.

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>>52298410

Here's a 1500pt list.

I actually have a Dreadclaw

So here's an infuriating question.


Let's say you throw Kharn onto the table.

Kharn eats an enemy character.

Does he roll on boons and have a chance to get spawnhood or dark apothesis? Or did that get FAQ'd out

>>52299585
>Tossed his faggot ass soul into the Warp for all eternity
You mean how he retreated into the warp the second the termies got close you lying tzeench faggot?

>>52299610
Why wouldn't he? Even Abbadon isn't immune to it anymore.

>>52299555
That sounds fucking badass. I wish I had the old Ahriman model. I just managed to snipe the 30k one off ebay for a few dollars but the metal one is like 20 bucks minimum and I don't want to impulse buy that shit. One day I'll have all Ahrimans and by summer i'll probably have a Magnus too.

>>52299529
>Typhus barely shows up anywhere to battle, too busy being a filthy NEET scratching his own gooch and sniffing his fingers
>Kharn and Lucius got fucked up/killed several times over
>Ahriman actually managed to get into the Black Library and plunder some secrets

Ahri is the man.

>>52299610
Only Abbaddon is immune, iirc.

>>52299649
Got FAQ'd. Abbaddon rerolls any result of Spawndom or Princedom.

>>52299591

The Lionsblade one with like 40 wolves and a priest?

>>52299649
Abaddon got FAQ'd.

Sigh. Leave it to GW to forget to FAQ special characters from being immune to those results.

I'd argue that even at a tournament he's immune to it because if it hasn't happened in 10000 years and Kharn denies on a fucking 2+, there is no way he's going to turn into a chaos spawn. Khorne would literally punch the judges in the face if they said no to that ruling.

>>52299135
Wait a minute, I miscounted again!

1500 Blood Axes 'Blitzkrieg Invasion of Armageddon'

HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour, 4
+Power Klaw, 25
+Da Lucky Stikk, 25
+Attack Squig, 15
+Kombi-Rokkit, 5
+Ammo Runt, 3
Total, 137
+++++
-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly, 5
Total, 55
+++++
Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz, 126
+'Eavy Armour, 40
+4 Kombi-Rokkit, 20
+3 Power Klaw, 75
+7 Big Choppa, 35
Total, 350
+++++
Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon, 110
+Kill Kannon, 30
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Grot Riggers, 10
Total, 170
+++++
-Kommandos, 50
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
+2 Kommandos, 20
+2 Burnas, 30
+Boss Snikrot, 60
Total, 200
+++++
Troops
-2xBoyz, 60
+2 Boyz, 12
+Boss Nob, 10
+Power Klaw, 25
+Boss Pole, 5
Total, 112 (224)
+++++
Dedicated Transport
+2xTrukk, 30
+Reinforced Ram, 5
+Boarding Plank, 15
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 50 (100)
+++++
Fast Attack
-Blitza Bommer, 135
+++++
Heavy Support
-Deff Dread, 80
+Third Power Klaw, 10
+Grot Riggers, 10
+Rokkit Launcha, free
Total, 100

Total, 1471

So I've got 29 points left, what should I do with them?

>>52299685
That's the one. On inspection, though, it was just a Heralds Anarchic list that got stomped, not the R&H meme list I thought it was. All Tzeentch lists look the same to me at this point so my bad, I guess.

>>52299695
>fluff
>a """""ruling"""""
I'm not saying you aren't right, but it's literally the RAW that Kharn can randomly turn into a daemon or a gribbly. He's really fired up!

>>52299555
>>Ahriman+Ahriman time travelling team up to get back to the past and undo the future that is chaos.
This is hot stuff, anon. Im into it.

>>52299667
>Tossed his faggot ass soul into the Warp for all eternity
>what are the black crusades

>Kharn and Lucius got fucked up/killed several times over
When you spend most of your time getting shit done instead of just reading some retarded books (lmao) you're bound to get hurt a few times. Call me back when Ahriman manages to fracture two legions.

>Ahriman actually managed to get into the Black Library and plunder some secrets
>plunder some secrets
>still cant get anything done with them
lmao

>>52298771
>mfw I look this up and you're right

Well, time for a SURPRISE POWER MAUL CHOSEN RAPE TRAIN to appear in my opponents backfield.

Looking over it, Sinistrum is actually pretty solid for a Psychic discipline.

>>52299723
Check for any units that can take a few ammo runts or some minor things here and there. Upgrade your Boyz to Shootas since you're paying for 1 extra shot vs 1 extra attack in cc. Or buy another Kommando.

>>52299593
I'm assuming the boss goes with the chosen? He might be more at home with a jump pack if you can free up the points.

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>>52299555
>tfw this post will inspire someone so make a Magnus&Magnus list and declare it fluffy

>>52298197
Of course this post has an Eldar image.

>>52299754
>What is "advancing the storyline"

We saw him catch the idiot ball with the new Ynnari faction fucking with him, but he's got the balls to fuck with them back. Even manages to mindfuck that whore.

>>52299754
>Call me back when Ahriman manages to fracture two legions.
You mean like the Fenris system, the majority of the Space Wolves, the Planet of the Sorcerers coming into realspace with enough force to weaken the bonds between the warp and realspace, which will allow the other daemon primarchs to return which also made the 13th black crusade boost enough to arrive on the fucking MOON itself with little sign of slowing down that also rekt Cadia and a good chunk of Templars?

But no, torching some dudes in a bunker because ANGERY is better, apparently.

Ahriman and the Thousand Sons snap their fingers, the galaxy burns.

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>>52299788
>he's got the balls to fuck with them back. Even manages to mindfuck that whore
I know you such Tzeentch cock but at least try not to spout lies with each new post.

>>52299768
But Boyz are BS2 and WS4, wouldn't it make more sense to have them as Slugga Boyz? I could grab a Mek Gun, maybe? I dunno.

>>52297712
Alpha best with rhinos anyway

>>52299775

Yea, that was the plan. Between the flamers and the claws, he'd be heavy anti-infantry. I don't know how much he'd want to hang out with Raptors. Originally, I had the lord and sorcerer in the chosen, but figured the Sorcerer was better off with the jump pack since he'll likely be running Heretech.

>>52299779
Once you've got 30k Magnus in a Pod, 40k Magnus is kinda superfluous. You'd be better served with more Daemons.

>>52299779
Magnus list would not be at all fluffy. It's him seeing what he will become if he continues his path of sorcery and will actually UNMAKE REALITY because he changes up Prospero strategy or some shit.

Ahriman and Ahriman actually makes sense cause way back during Prospero he decided "Fuck this shit, fuck Russ, fuck Magnus, I'm putting my mother fucking foot down."

Ahriman has striven for ten millenia against fate itself. And he's got no signs of stopping or failing at this point. Any shortcomings can pretty easily be marked as a writer's asspull to not let the story continue.

>>52298114
Its easy to have fun without winning

It takes something special to have fun with very little chance of winning every time you play

>>52298061
>MSU grav
>not Librarius Conclave daemon summoning spam
>on (disks) bikes

>>52299804
>You mean like the Fenris system, the majority of the Space Wolves, the Planet of the Sorcerers coming into realspace with enough force to weaken the bonds between the warp and realspace
You mean in that same book that states how quickly they recovered and were already sailing off to fight Abbadon lmao

>which will allow the other daemon primarchs to return
[citation needed]

>which also made the 13th black crusade boost enough to arrive on the fucking MOON
Which failed hilariously

>that also rekt Cadia and a good chunk of Templars?
With no thousand sons involvement rofl

>But no, torching some dudes in a bunker because ANGERY is better, apparently.
>literally assblasted enough to think single-handedly fracturing two legions is somehow worse than Fenris 2: Electric Boogaloo Khorne gets a laugh edition
lmao

>>52299826
Well think about it: You pay 20 of those points to get an extra shot out to 18" with your Shootas.

Your slugga won't shoot that extra 6" and every boy you lose is dropping 4 attacks on the charge.

You forfeit 1 attack in melee over 2 shots spent moving up into range, can shoot safely from your Trukk, and on the off chance you're instead charged, you get an extra overwatch shot.

You only want to run Sluggas if you're trying to maximize your points, or running just fuckloads of boyz and your green tide needs every possible body.

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With this list, is it better to take the formations as belonging to Craftworld Eldar (to benefit from Battle Focus) or just have them from Ynnari?

>>52299804
>Ahriman and the Thousand Sons snap their fingers, they get hit by flying hammers.

>>52299937
I dunno, that's why I put them in Trukks so they wouldn't get hurt while in them, but I guess you might be right? I've asked before and I keep seeing different answers.

I could remove the Deff Dred and put in a couple Mek Gun Batteries, like one full one and one that could be swapped between AA or AT/AI if needed?

I'm not super sure of what I'm doing, to be honest.

>>52299954
You can't declare them as Ynnari. Enjoy your Battle Focus.

>playing a Biel-Tanesque list with Ynnari rules

>>52299804
Go to bed magnus

>>52299954
Go buy the book and read it before you look retarded.

>I am that guy who will make you pull out your fucking copy of GS2 if you're running Ynnari cheese you netlist shitlords.

>>52299984
Well, if their Trukk gets popped, at least you have 18" threat range. A lot of people prefer Battlewagons to Trukks because AV14 up front is nasty.

>>52299984
Actually with 29 points I could fit in one fully upgraded Mek Gun?

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>>52299804
>ahriman is not a cuck because these things planned by magnus which didn't even work happened!
rofl

>>52300060
That's true, but I dunno. I can fit in a fully upgraded Mek Gun with my last 29 points like I said in >>52300064? Trukks are a lot cheaper, too.

>>52300044
>that list
>cheese
>a netlist
Not him but fucking kek, sorry to see you're so triggered by the word Ynnari you don't actually even look at what's in the list.

>>52299399
bumping for halp

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What should I be taking for anti-air in an Emperors Children CSM list?

Would a Fire Raptor do the job?

>>52300105
If that's what you have then go for it, seems more or less fine.

>>52299222
use it to kill yourself

>>52297938
> Special forces that wait like robots
Jeez, this is too terrible. In reality GOOD special forces both always take orders, but they don't require them at all because they have insane initiative.

Like some stormtroopers are in the field and they discover a traitor Ammo-dump on their way to an objective. So being the smart bastards they are, they rig a meltabomb on a timer to the whole thing, and surround the entire area in grenade tripwires so that more traitors die when they go to investigate what happened. Then they fucking leave and continue with the objective.

>>52300117
You might be but I still don't. Kekekekekeke, I still have to pronate my Emperor's Children yesterday.

>>52296897
>TFW you hate the new Storm trooper models and miss the Kasrkin mini's

Just admit the MilTemp was just a means of GW securing its copyright. The new mini's look like some kind of Fantasy40k abortion with the stupid ass armor and the goofie helmet not to mention the shit rules and fluff. It''s like saying the new uninspired Raptors are good despite the fact that they look like generic CSM with raptor bits tacked on.

>>52300102
>GS2
>Eldar get an entire new faction
>It's fucking busted beyond reason
>GS3
>Guilliman comes back
>He's fucking garbage because of the word 'Monstrous Creature'

Sorry but fuck Eldar with a power rake.

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>>52300150
>he doesn't actually know what makes Ynnari broken
>he thinks Guilliman is shit
Marine players, everyone. Point and laugh.

>>52300137
The new Raptors look like MkIV marines that have been exposed to the Warp and I like them because of this.

>>52300137
>GW run a repro of Kasrkin models in plastic
>Suddenly, the 5 page codex gets ordered by the truckload

GW really are great at missing tricks.

>>52300168
If you reproc your skin check you might get vatium'd another meme.

>>52300137
>Just admit the MilTemp was just a means of GW securing its copyright.
Nah, they're a love letter to Storm Troopers.

Cuirasses, berets, hellgun-styled hotshots. They even included the SAStrooper gasmask on one of the heads. Kaskrin are the least cool stormtroopers, because they aren't even stormtroopers.

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>>52300133
You're a twat.

>>52300159
When you drop a model that costs as much as an Imperial Knight and only serves to act as a force multiplier for a bunch of footsloggers, you take a Knight instead and fuck shit up.

I play guard, nigger.

Yes, I do know what makes the Ynnari broken. The fact that Soulburst can play absurd psychological mindgames with being able to move and adjust positions with every loss on either side, and fuck up the game state immensely. Ynnari turns 40k in to a giant chess match, and the additional combats they can pull off are fucking bullshit.

>>52298936
I take this one step further. I write my list as soon as we get to the table by pulling out models and adding points on my phone calculator at the same time.
> Put 10 tacticals on the table
- Add 140
> Switch for a plasma gun
- Add 15
> Put my command squad on the board
- Add 85, then 75, then 15.
> I have all of the points costs for everything memorized, and I've done this for YEARS. So this goes by extremely fast.
> Rinse and repeat until the number reaches the agreed on points cost.
> We look at both lists and go over what has what, and what's proxied.
> Generate warlord traits/powers with the other person watching.
> We then setup the board, and it has to be satisfactory to both players
> Then we pick mission
> Then Set objectives
> Then deploy

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>>52297953
Here you go buddy.

>>52300243
american shitposters
my favourite

>>52300200
Guy who posted the list here
Honestly I'd rather have Battle Focus and Power from Pain than Soulburst

>>52300289
Why are you doing this?

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>>52300200
>he thinks Guilliman is just a force multiplier
>he doesn't want to take some friendly Inquisitors and give him Infiltrate

>baaaaaaaaw Soulburst
>implying Footdar can even make half as much use out of it than scatbikes

>Ynnari turns 40k in to a giant chess match
Nigger what? Since when can you take two turns in a row in chess?

I dunno man, you still sound a lot like a Marine player, or at least one of the uncool Guard players.

>>52300122
Thanks, I just wanted some validation. I am a whore

>>52296626
Combine the assault squads and tactical squads into big single sqiads. Drop the command squad and get that tac squad into a rhino.

>>52300327
Chess match as in you're not thinking in terms of 40k tactics, you're thinking in terms of how can you best bait out that second turn you mention and fuck up their plan.

As for infiltrating papa smurf, again, i'd rather take the knight with guaranteed D-weapon in melee and have way more dakka. Plus, you're throwing your 350pt super buff unit far up from the rest of your force so his main rule/fluff reasons for being on your list turn into "here deal with this beatstick. have fun, loser" when you could have done more with the knight lobbing pie plates all game and being a far more durable distraction unit.

>>52299723
Please use the fucking army list builder n the op. This shit is horrendous to look at.

>>52300439
Dang it. The list builder won't work for me on mobile, and my computer's busted right now. Need to get some replacement parts when I have the time.

I've just started reading Battle for the Abyss, and it's my first time meeting a Space Wolf in the fluff.

Are they all as stereotypical and awful as the one in this?

>>52300507
Battle for the Abyss is mostly an exception, to the proportional examples often seen in other types of fluff.

If you look inside codex for example many models have descriptions which further prove my point.

>>52300417
>you're not thinking in terms of 40k tactics, you're thinking in terms of how can you best bait out that second turn you mention and fuck up their plan
Is this not how you play 40k all the time? Thinking several moves ahead and baiting favourable responses is a core part of my gameplay. I'm not saying Soulburst isn't busted - it is - but it's far less of a problem in the hands of some units than others. Anon's list, if you actually looked at it, only actually has Guardians (footslogging Guardians. Let that sink in) and mech'd DE units to actually benefit from the rule, both of which make astoundingly poor use of it if they can even use it at all, so shut the fuck up about the Ynnari boogeyman when you clearly don't even know how the rule is best abused.

>you're throwing your 350pt super buff unit far up from the rest of your force
Except you aren't. Actually read about the warlord trait that lets you Infiltrate before saying stupid shit like this.

>you could have done more with the knight lobbing pie plates all game
There are more point-efficient ways of spamming battle cannon shots if that's the main reason you want a Knight.

>far more durable distraction unit
Guilliman is far more durable than a Knight against all weapons save grav, and even then he has a 3++ and FNP AND fucking comes back from the dead half the time if he does go down. D and Haywire eat Knights alive.

>>52300536
That makes me feel better.
So far this guy has been brawling and drinking, with his only other action being a "witty" one liner ("No sport when the enemy stays still") as he broke down a door with his axe, instead of let someone else pull it open.

It's been 50 pages and I outright hate the character. It's especially bad coming from Legion where I thought the characters were really well done.

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Using the renegades and heretics list to create a fluffy lost and the damned regiment and before I get to the crunch I'm polishing the fluff thought a would get some constructive criticism here

>our story starts on the world of bibliodata
>the world is used a massive archive with different parts of the planet owned by the adeptus mechanicus, adeptus adminastratum and ecclesiarchy.
>think massive underground warehouses of f grimdark file cabinets and larger sacred libraries
>the world is operated and maintained by various minor orders of adepts and scholars
>there is a small imperial guard garrison
>the most elite and skilled of these scholarly orders are the knowledge seekers
>they are tasked with finding the most obscure,oldest and rare information hidden deep in the underground archives of the planet
>they place a high value on finding forgotten knowledge
>one day an order is called for Data from the deepest part of the archives
>after years of obsessively searching for it that find an undiscovered room in an uncharted section of the archives deep underground
>the room was filled with books containing forbidden knowledge of chaos and a copy of the book of Lorgar
>the knowledge seekers instead of going insane excitedly tell there fellow scholars of the knowledge they recovered
>soon word spreads to the ecclesiarchy who call in the inquisition
>all the data,knowledge and information the knowledge seekers gathered over the centuries is purged or confiscated and the members are executed
>the survivors flee deep into the uncharted archives
>they rename themselves the knowledge takers and pledge themselves to tzeentch
>those with suppressed Psyker abilities either become chaos spawn or there new leaders
>the knowledge takers starts fighting a guerilla war in the underground archives against the imperial guard Garrison and begin to recruit more curious scholars
>after decades of fighting and propaganda the remaining imperial guard turns to chaos
Part 1
>

>>52300555
Okay, throw down some mathhammer then at how well he stands up to a Paladin or a Gallant.

Can we all agree that super-human beings like the Primarchs are necessary to govern something as monolithic as the Imperium?

inb4 HFY subscribers and High Lord apologists

>>52300597
You do realize I was deliberately trying to not make sense with that post, yet you still replied normally. I don't even know how to feel anymore. You can't beat relativity with gas.

>>52300612
Malcador would have done a great job running the Imperium if they hadn't fed him to a chair.

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>>52299760
happy that you'll try it. I play assault CSM and played an eldar player who told me i would only assault his jetbike if he let me do so.

I took it as a personnal challenge. After turn 1 assaulting his jetbike squad and killing his farseer, he wasn't so cocky

>>52300638
Magnus' fault.

>>52300636
I just took "it's the exception" from the first half and assumed the stuff about the codex had fluff that made them seem less retarded.

Alternatively, assume I'm like Homer Simpson with the cult initiation and made up my own thing to replace yours.

>>52300657
Magnus literally did nothing wrong

PART 2 OF THE KNOWLEDGETAKERS
>after sacrificing the remaining loyalists to tzeentch they leave the planet
>they now travel the galaxy serving tzeentch by searching for forbidden knowledge and hope to one day meet the thousand sons

>>52300612
The Imperium shouldn't even exist in the first place. All previous examples of nazis have failed, yet for some retarded reason catholicism in space is invincible.

>>52300675
Funnily enough, the Codex does make them seem even more retarded with everything's name being a variation of 'wolf'.

>>52300688
>yet for some retarded reason
space nazis are cool

that's pretty much been 40k from day one, I'm not sure anyone can hate that yet also be a fan

>>52300676
>Magnus fucks up the Webway
>Malcador has to sit on the Throne to keep the Webway stable while Big E goes up to fight Horus

Magnus' fault.

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Should Acolytes ever take anything other than a Saw or a Demolition Charge?

>>52300730
But even the mameluks failed and they had a more instrumental system than late romanian catholics. By all means the Imperium should be arab.

>>52300704
Sweet mercy.

How is this a popular legion?

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How would you feel if I ran more than one of these at 1500?

>>52297938
I think their indoctrination makes for terrible IG special forces but would be excellent inquisition henchmen with all the shady stuff inquisitors tend to do.

>>52296626
Run it as a baal strike force for that sweet initiative boost.

>>52300799
Considering there's an IG artillery formation that requires a Hydra one-off, not very scared.

>Order Ignore Cover
>Shit on flyers all day

>>52300799
> One of the precious few good ork units
> Because Bs4 twin-linked autocannons
I mean It's only 3 autocannons, and it's armour is paper thin. I play space marines, so either I genuinely feel bad because I brought my Deredeo that day, or I ignore it because AP4 does nothing to me, and it doesn't have enough shots to be a threat to most vehicles.

>>52300857
You're thinking of the Dakkajet which is BS3 and S6 AP5 with 9 shots if you pay a 10 point upgrade. I posted the Blitza Bommer, which is BS3 with one gun, and only has one of the Dakkajet's guns, the other is BS5 AP6, and it has two S7 AP2 Large Blast Armourbane Bombs.

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>>52300610
Supremely halfassed because I have work in half an hour.

>1v1 for some reason, nobody gets the charge
Guilliman strikes first, hitting 4 times (not accounting reroll 1s or 6s are Ds because I'm fucking lazy) and scoring an average of 4 pens. Even if none of they score an explodes result the Knight goes down in the second round, unable to take Guilliman with it unless its average one hit (or Stomp roll) happens to roll a 6.

>anything Haywire
No point even mathhammering this.

>Gravaphrons
Roughly 1.67 wounds from Guilliman, Knight takes .75 HP losses assuming its shield is facing them.
>but that's more
I did say Grav was better.

>5 melta Marines
Guilliman loses .62 wounds, Knight suffers roughly 1.67 pens, .5 of which cause an explodes result, again assuming it uses its shield against all of them.

>scatbikes
Guilliman loses .44 wounds, Knight's side armor (they're jetbikes) takes .67 glances assuming it gets its shield.


I'm rushing so I can't think of any other examples bar the Wraithknight, which Guilliman will win over the Knight against by virtue of not being raped by the D before getting to swing.

I did think of one thing that the Knight will beat Guilliman on. Vanguard squads, as long as they are not running Haywire. Or Peltasts.
Do the rest of the work yourself, I gotta run.

>>52300857
>BS4
No Ork unit is BS4. Best is TL BS3.

>>52300610
>Mathhammer fag detected

>>52300688
This post is so retarded its funny.

>>52300786
>40k
>suspend belief
also (you)

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>tfw When you want to see just how much dakka you can pump out in a single formation in your army...


Formation: Realspace raiders
Squad makeup: 1 HQ, 2 troops, 1 Fast Attack
Optional: 1 HQ, 4 troops, 3 Elites, 5 Fast Attack, 3 Heavy Support

Weapons:
Blaster: assault 1, 18", s8 ap2, assault 1, lance
Shardcarbine: Assault 3, 18" s1 ap5, poisoned 4+
Splinter rifle: rapid fire, 24" s1 ap5, poisoned 4+
Splinter cannon: Salvo 4/6, 36" s1 ap5 poisoned 4+
Liquifier gun: assault 1, template, s3, apD6

Unit roles:
archon: HQ
court of the archon: HQ(doesn't take up a slot if there's an archon for each squad)
kabalite warriors: troops
kabalite trueborn: elites
venom: fast attack
talos: heavy support

blaster fire: 2 shots
shardcarbines: 72 shots
splinter rifles(assuming no rapid fire): 126 shots
splinter cannons(assuming relentless/nonmoving): 264 shots
Liquifier guns: 9 shots(augmented by templates)

altogether, up to 473 shots each turn, almost all of which are poisoned 4+


Can you top it?

>>52300990
Not an argument.

>>52301021
Still not sensical.

>>52301042
>not sensical
nigger, the imperium has weaponized popemobiles with dudes strapped on top being immolated as it drives around firing missiles out of the pipes.

the forces of chaos have motorcycles powered by COCAINE.

the dark eldar have banquet halls with torture victims hanging from the ceiling so their wails drench the orgy below in screams, like that scene from the start of Blade in the vampire nightclub.

orks are a faction that believe purple makes you sneaky and red makes you faster, AND IT FUCKING DOES.
...and you're whining about things being realistic and sensical in the 41st millenium?

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>notice deathwing's been getting a bunch of patches
>start a new playthrough to get all the relics and try out all the psychic powers
this game's therapeutic

Shame it doesn't have a stomp for all the mangled, legless genestealers that make it to you.

>>52301108
How much better is it now?

Only played for a few houes in co-op with friends but couldn't bear it after 4 loading crashes, several disconnects, several required attempts to finslly load into the game without someone not being able to connect and that fucking door glitch that locked you out from doing anything other than walking.

>>52301100
>what is internal logic
They still follow the laws of physics unless some of their fantasy mechanics are involved. Which means mamluks should by all means have progressed to the human empire we have today.

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>>52301149
>they still follow the laws of physics
>40K
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

>>52301148
I still haven't tried multiplayer... but my rig never had any problems with performance or glitches back at launch.

>>52301163
>m-maybe if I pretend to laugh it won't be as evident I got btfo!
lmao

>>52301149
why are you so obsessed with mamluks, dude

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Which list is better
Is Kairos best as warlord? I don't have room for a grimoire herald for the second list.

>>52301187
Ah, alright. Yeah, didn't have performance issues either, all problems were tied to game-crashing errors or multiplayer glitches.

Guess I'll give it another try one of these days.

>>52301189
nigger, if you think anything in 40k obeys the standard laws of physics, you've never seen their FTL travel, vehicles like tau crisis suits, or anything the orks make EVER.

then there's stuff like dark eldar chaining and carting around suns and firing weapons made of black holes.

>>52301042
>Not an argument
I see you in every thread your trollish posting style is so transparent.

>>52300931
Correct me if I'm wrong but that's a 33% chance to mulch Guilliman.

Alright, alright.

We all have our opinions on who the cutest Primarch, Eldar, Tau or what-have-you are.

BUT
Who is da kutest Ork?

>>52301194
mamluks conquered ancient egypt so by all means should rule

>>52301214
how does that prevent mamluks from triumphing over the turkish emperor and forming an actually logical Imperium?

>>52301231
I see you in every thread your damage control style is so transparent.

btfo.

>>52301271
>14 year olds on my /tg/

>>52301271
the mamluks were thoroughly btfo centuries ago, and the emperor wiped out all religion before some chaos fuck turned him into the imperium's new god.

there is no islam in the 41st millenium, neither is there catholicism or any current religion.

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>>52301028
>Can you top it?
Yup. I'm not even going to begin to try to calculate how many shots this is.

Please try mathhammering your list versus a Riptide Wing and post results

>>52301378
that sure looks like multiple formations/detachments.

I did mine with 1.

>>52301393
I mean it's still one formation just compromised of multiple formations. The rules clearly state the the shield company must be 3 platoons.

>>52299222
Build a gorkanaut

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Here's my 1850 ork list for the tourney I'm going to in a few days

>>52301407
still seems like a bit of a cheat.

>>52301479
I have infinite Dakka thanks to a Cadian Battle Group.

1+ Command

INFINITE LASCANNONS!

>>52301469
That warboss there is better than Ghazzy in every way and it's 35 points cheaper

why GW

>>52301393
>>52301479
It's a single detachment comprised of a single formation regardless of whether you think it's a """"""""""cheat"""""""""" my man, but even if it wasn't, it wouldn't matter, since each of the Infantry Companies comprises

>6 bolters
>9 HKM
>9 multilasers
>12 plasma guns
>21 heavy bolters
>99 lasguns
Which after FRFSRF is 267 shots if nothing is in rapid fire range, or 383 if they are. You also get one Commissar (with a bolter, so 1 extra shot/2 in RF) 3 Priests (3/6 shots) and 3 Primaris Psykers for a total of 271/391, with psychic bullshit and rerolls everywhere.

>>52301469
Can't take Supa Cybork and Lucky Stikk.

But nice try.

>>52301579
Probably because GW thinks Warlord Traits are utterly broken and worth the set loadout and extra points.

>>52301615
I forgot about Tech-Priests, so add 18 heavy bolter shots and 3 laspistols to that total.

All told it's about 1356 shots for the entire formation.

why did cadia have to fall? I have yet to see a good reason as to the reasoning for this aside from "it was needed to bring girlyman back"

>>52301660
In order to even begin to push the plot forward, Cadia needed to fall, as it was the sole bulwark stopping chaos from making any serious foothold. As GW is insistent that chaos is the biggest bad, cadia needed to go down.

>>52301660
Cause the Guard needed a symbol.

Cadia as it was was boring. Every guardsman was a Cadian, and Cadians were best known for hanging around while Abby tried to fail and suceeded.

Think of it like this: When Cadia fell you had an entire *planet* of Ollanius Piouses. You had an entire planet's guards look into the eyes of Chaos, knowing they wouldn't survive it, but still stayed strong.

Cadia broke before the Guard.

As for modelwise, they probably want to make more of a variety (with any luck). Maybe make Catachans and others a bit more prominant? IDK

>>52301660
>why did cadia have to fall?
the only way to make chaos seem credible

didn't really work, but that was probably the intent behind it

>>52301620
yes you can, you can't take two from the other list

>>52301660
What reasom other than "to move the plot forward and bring some change into the setting" do you need in order to accept something that happened in order to move the plot forward?

Cadia never being taken by Chaos was turning into a comedy skit already, they had to finally let Abaddon properly win something to give Chaos some advantage on the Imperium.

>>52301686
The Cadian Regiments recruit from way more than just Cadia itself, I imagine Cadian Guard maybe MAYBE will get new model box, but you'll still see the old guard look.

>>52301725
True, but you'll have Cadians be more "Oh, we fight in Cadia's name" than "We fight for Cadia". Like how the DAs treat Caliban. It'll become more of a symbol than an actual place.

>>52301741
yeah, but you also have to realize that yes there are thousands of unique and special looking regiments in 40k, but the majority look mostly like cadians, Cadians wear the generic minitorum issued armor, lasgun, everything.

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>>52301852
Yes, Vanilla Marines only, invalidates Bulldogs unless you like Hammernators, Assault Cannons, or CMLs.

People are lying again.

Let drop truth bombs.

1-Abaddon never targeted Cadia for destruction in any Black Crusade excerpt the 13th Black Crusade. Cadia did fuck all but act as a speed bump to his Crusades as they pushed into the galaxy to fulfill their objectives and quests.

2-There are only 2 million Cadians left in the galaxy as per Fall of Cadia. Anyone telling you different is a total wanker who should be ignored. These two mil remaining Cadians are the last hope for the legends and bloodlines of Cadia to survive as said in the book.

Cadians are not squatted but they are on the brink of it.

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Rate my killteam shitbrew.
Open to suggestion on how to improve.
Splitting cultists into two groups, the autoguns will crowd around the cultist champion, the others will act as a rush mob.

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Rate my DCA/Crusader wip kitbashes

>>52301923
That's the last 2 million native to Cadia. There are several worlds decended from Cadians that use the same doctrines and armory.

>>52301741
>Like how the DAs treat Caliban.
Caliban? What are you talking about Citizen? Caliban never existed and we certainly didn't blow it up ourselves. Please report to your closest Interrogator-Chaplain for re-education.

>>52301971
Nope, if that's the case then the book wouldn't have said that the LEGENDS AND BLOODLINES of Cadia were on the brink of extinction.

There are only 2 mil left. Deal with it guys.

>>52301941
Lacking anti-tank, which is a problem considering the popularity of Chimeras in KT.

>>52300137
>The new mini's look like some kind of Fantasy40k abortion with the stupid ass armor and the goofie helmet

This describes a lot of End Times, AoS, and new 40K plastics.

>>52301941
plasma pistol's not a great choice when you can give your raptors proper special weapons

>>52302008
legends and bloodlines of the PLANET cadia.

>>52301971
>responding to our resident funposter

>>52302041
Nah. They said Cadian blood. They didn't specify anything else. Stop being a weasel and accept the truth.

>>52302012
>>52302016
I thought plasma pistol would be decent, considering high strength and AP2, only thing I think I was lacking in was range.

What should I be taking instead and what should I cut down on?

>>52302063
It's pretty clearly talking about the residents of the planet. It mentions how many were on the planet at the onset of the invasion and how many were evacuated from it. Meanwhile there's still Cadians deployed across the galaxy in a number of conflicts.

>>52302085
You could give one of your raptors a proper plasma gun in its place. Plasma guns are pretty great in kill team.

>>52301923
>Cadia did fuck all but act as a speed bump to his Crusades as they pushed into the galaxy to fulfill their objectives and quests.
I say it pretty much every other general, but the Cadian Gate is the only reliably safe way out of the Eye, even for Chaos worshippers. Abby tried bypassing Cadia completely a few times and they bit him in the ass and cut off his supply lines. He can't destroy Cadia because then the rift in the Eye closes and he's lost his beachhead into realspace. He needs it intact and in Chaos hands as a staging point between the Eye and realspace.

>Cadia had been a world of 850 million souls. Scarce three million now sought salvation from Abaddon's forces. The legend of Cadia might yet one day endure on another, distant world, but now its bloodlines teetered on the brink.

So what we take from this is....

1-Cadians didn't colonize other worlds or else their bloodline wouldn't be threatened by the death of these 2 mil dudes.
2-All other Cadia regiments in the galaxy either were called back to Cadia where they met their ultimate fate (see Mont'ka and Shield of Baal) or have died elsewhere).

>>52302085
Give a raptor a plasma gun as >>52302110 suggested, or take a meltagun instead. Give the operator Ignores Cover for extra hilarity.

>>52302129
What you said is absolutely bullshit and contradicts about 7 years worth of fluff such as the fluff in the CSM 6th ED dex, Black Legion supp, and Fall of Cadia to give a few examples.

>>52301028
Alright, from a single Skitarii Maniple I get
>240 shots from 8 squads of 10 Skitarii Vanguard each (80 Radium Carbines)
>200 shots from 4 squads of 10 Sicarian Infiltrators each (40 Flechette Blaster)
>36 shots from 2 units of 6 Sydonian Dragoons each (Radium Jezzail + Phosphor Serpenta)
>90 shots from 3 units of 3 Onager Dunecrawlers each (Icarus Array + Cognis Heavy Stubber)
for a grand total of 566 shots per turn from a whopping total of 4070 points worth of Skits.

>>52302141
>Cadia had been a world of 850 million souls
I would be surprised if there were less than 850 million cadian soldiers alone, this line is obviously directly referring to the planet itself.

>>52301941

I forget the correct point values off the top of my head but you can probably take 2 Meltas if you drop the Pistol and 1 Cultist. That'd be a solid list.