Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

first for tau are a shit

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First for the Dark Angels

>>52304741
git fukt

Emperor was right for betraying Horus.

Hey Tg, What do you think of this Astra Militarium Kill Team list i threw together

X1 – Ratling snipers – 30

- Weapon Specialist – Expert Shot - +1 Ballistic.
- 3 Snipers

X1 – Armored Sentinel Scout – 40

- 1 Scout
- Dirty Fighter – Soul Blaze – On a wounded model, end of each turn, roll 1d6, on 4+, 1D3 S4 AP5 hits, otherwise, end Soul Ablaze.

X1 – Platoon Comander squad – 30

- 4 Men
- 1 Commander – Guerrilla Specialist – Preferred enemy – Reroll to hit/wound on 1


X1 – Infantry squad – 50

- 9 Men
- 1 Sargent (Leader)

X1 - Taurox – 50

- 1 Taurox


- 200 Pt

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I'm going to be bringing this to a necron game later. I'm very likely going to lose, but are there any changes I should make? I'm kinda limited in models that I own, but I do have a ravager, a haem, and a squad of 5 hellions I could bring.

>>52304781
Seems the best you can do, really. If you want you can use one talos as cronos and have them as Dark Artisan covens formation, but it is just for fun.

>>52304495
Kastellans were always primitive punch card operated robots, there was no reprogramming involved.

What's more their more advanced robots can't really be reprogrammed very easily, since they all utilise a cybernetica cortex, which is basically silicon-neuron based computer, and their use has been outright banned if I recall correctly.
This means they'd have to do some crazy retrofitting and restructuring to get them to fit current standards.
And you'd be crazy if you think the Ad Mech would be willing to tear apart old and hard to replicate tech.

>>52304781
Oh, and i would put lances on raiders, but its just me.
Soultrap is meh.

>>52304810
well, he's practicing for Canhammer, which is why I'm going 1850 despite not really having a proper army for it.

What should I cut for the dark artisan formation, would you say?

>>52304817
Only if it was made by someone else.

Since I brought it up a couple of thread ago, here is a spread sheet comparing the average wounds and wound to point efficency of Regular Chaos Space marines and Rubric Marines. It also compares the same stats for an individual Rubric Marine and Chaos Space Marine.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12DRQKyYOErHV4pd1no3J4coUP8NtSENykRPkaTenAf4/edit?usp=sharing

As we can see the rubrics are mathematically inferior in most situations, and even the ones where they aren't there isn't a very large difference. This is far less true in the individual instances, indicating that the Aspiring Sorcerer is the biggest offender here.

>>52304902
Please take your autism somewhere relevant.

>>52304917
This place seems pretty damn autistic to me.

>>52304946
>>52304902
not this autistic

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Please help

>>52304902
Expensive though he is, he's coated appropriate for what he is and there's literally no reason to take Rubrics if they didn't come with the Sorcerer

>>52304902
If the Aspiring Sorcerer was a free upgrade in the unit, they'd be much better.

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Slaanesh is best~

>>52304902
Shame. I've always loved the Thousand Sons and was thinking of putting together a coven of Sorcerers with rubric marines. Without Magnus are they doomed? I know I'm not good enough to paint him yet.

>>52304902
You havent defined what a 'full' unit is, and how they damage av 14

>>52304978
>if i got a free lvl 1 psyker with a stock force weapon, this unit would be better
uh huh, thanks for that insight

>>52304978
If they got free weapon upgrades and a Webway portal free on the Sorcerer they'd be better too

So everyone has talked about Thousand Sons being overcosted for AP3, but how would they fare against Necrons or Tau? The Invuln saves make them durable against weapons that would otherwise double them out while Psychic powers allow for versatile playstyle against scary units like Riptides or Wraiths. What does tg think?

>>52304969

There's no need for the lord and the sorceror. Drop one of them to buff up your other units.
Even though your marines are infiltrating, they might still need Rhinos.

>>52304970
He might be worth it if you could roll on any discipline, but as long as he has to roll his one spell on Tzeentch he won't be.
For starters, two of the powers he can get (siphon magic and boon of mutation) are dead draws for the sorcerer meaning you will be left casting a primaris that is on average worse than a 12pt havoc launcher.
Breath of Chaos, Baleful Devolution and Treason of Tzeentch are all good powers, but their high WC cost and the Aspiring Sorcerer's inability to take a spell familiar makes casting these powers too inefficient and unreliable and generally you'd be better of using your WC dice on an HQ outside of specific scenarios.
Doombolt is the only reliable, good and efficient power at your disposal.

Also if we compare him to the Scarab Occult Sorcerer, for 32 points over the Aspiring Sorcerer, you get an extra wound, an extra mastery level an additional point in WS and Terminator Armour, and a lot of people consider him to only be okay.

>>52305020
Yes I have, go read the comments.
If you're wondering it's a Soul Reaper cannon that is capable of hurting AV14.

>>52305109
I need the lord for the Warband formation, to get the Alpha legion formation buffs.

>>52305114
Most people only use them as batteries for WC though and just use the HQs for spells.

As long as Chaos is required to take Veteran Sergeants and as long as a Mastery Level = 25pts the issue will persist.

The fact that they are closely linked to Tzeentch Daemons doesn't help mind, considering how good value they are for WC

>>52305091
>while Psychic powers allow for versatile playstyle
Again that would be true if the Sorcerer wasn't forced to roll on Tzeentch where 1/3 of the powers are dead draws for the Sorcerer and the primaris is the second worst witchfire in the game.

Also they may be good against AP3 and better weapons, but they still die exactly as easily to AP4 and worse weapons as regular marines.
And both Necrons and Tau have shitloads of weapons with high strength and poor ap that point for point fare incredibly well against rubrics.

>>52305160
They're also shit batteries though, if used as such and assuming that 1 WC = 25pts you're still looking at a 32 point useless lump that only contributes another wound to the unit.
This isn't a problem for the Scarab Occult sorcerer though, he's only 90 points for what would normally cost 125 if you bought it as an HQ.

Can't wait to play another game of 40k with my Sisters this weekend.
I've managed to increase my army size by 500 points every game now, although this weekend I'll be adding an Inquisitor and his retinue to my army, but they used to be in the same army anyway right?
Has anyone used an Inquisitor with a daemon weapon? It looks like it might be really fun.

>>52305230
>32 point useless lump
Those 32 points get you a 10 point Sarge Upgrade, ~15pt force weapon, and a Thousand Son body to put it on. It's the Rubrics themselves that need to be decreased in cost

>>52305237
Solid! I'm looking forward to a game with my Imperial Fists this weekend.

dammit kitten

>https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/22/fighting-alongside-the-guard-literally/

>>52305261
10 point sarge uppgrades are fucking retarded, especially when the entire unit is already fearless and when not all armies or units even have to pay for them.

The force weapon is also mostly useless since if you get the unit into melee you've already fucked up.

>>52305286
If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device is real ?

>>52305286

i see wot u did there geedubs

>Don’t address them by name! The Adeptus Custodes have notoriously long and complex names, and any attempt to address them as such is not appropriate for battlefield deployment*. ‘My Lord’, or ‘Sir’ will suffice.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDPqB9i1ScY

>>52305309

how i fucking miss the old monty python sketches

im still pissed that i lost my Flying circus PC copy to the fucking termites

My local group wants to run an 1850pt tourney and I am going to baptize my new Tau army in the fires of WAAC fags.

Except I don't intend to play my Tau as a WAAC shitfest. Just a Ranged Support Cadre of barebones Pathfinders and Broadsides, attached to a Hunter Contingent of two Hammerheads with railguns, a Fire Warrior gunline behind an Aegis Defence Line, two Piranhas, two deep-striking two-man double fusion blaster Crisis Teams and a marker-drone wrapped Commander with Iridium Armour in a squad of Crisis suits with plasma rifles.

No Riptides, no Ghostkeels, no ass-rape formations. Final destination.

>>52304709

How do Empyric storms work?

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I play fantasy but now have this unstoppable craving to start a Sisters of battle army
Send help

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Anons how is this list for casual fun games?

1500 Blood Axes Blitzkrieg V2

HQ
-Warboss, 60
+'Eavy Armour
+Power Klaw
+Da Lucky Stikk
+Attack Squig
+Kombi-Rokkit
+Ammo Runt
Total, 137

-Painboy, 50
+Grot Orderly
Total, 55

Elites
-Nobz, 54
+7 Nobz
+'Eavy Armour
+4 Kombi-Rokkit
+3 Power Klaw
+7 Big Choppa
+Ammo Runt
Total, 353

Dedicated Transport
-Battlewagon
+Kill Kannon
+Boarding Plank
+Reinforced Ram
Total, 160

-Kommandos, 50
+Boss Nob
+Power Klaw
+Boss Pole
+2 Kommandos
+2 Burnas
+Boss Snikrot
Total, 200

Troops
-2xBoyz, 120
+2 Boyz
+Boss Nob
+Power Klaw
+Boss Pole
Total, 224

Dedicated Transport
+2xTrukk, 60
+Reinforced Ram
+Boarding Plank
+Rokkit Launcha
Total, 100

Fast Attack
-2xBlitza Bommer, 270

Total, 1499

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Who all can field Custodes?
Just spesss mehreens? or any imperial army

>>52305520
Book's not out yet

>>52305520
Custodes are their own army, you bring them as an allied detachment.

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>>52305503
>squatted game player wants to play soon to be squatted faction
kek

>>52305516
If you actually want feedback then stop posting this astoundingly shitty format.

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who designed the piece that connects celestine to the base? I lined it up properly on the cloak but for some reason she's still leaning off to one side.

>>52305560
my problem exactly

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>>52305503
You'll be ok. Just surrender your wallet to me, and I'll start my sisters of battle army.

>>52305503
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Battle-Sisters-Squad

1 box of 10 monopose metal sisters 1 Melta 1 storm bolter and no other heavy weapons...80 murican dollars. Convert that to loonies dollarydoos euros or whatever local currency you favor and you'll lose interest.

>>52305503
wait for the summer, they're coming in plastic

>>52305560
I doubt the cucks at GW will squat SoB, their last model was from 2004 while the bulk was from 1997.

In over a decade they didn't got squat and today they have one questionable useful Super special character and a Not a SoB, SoB with Healthy at every size meme attachted to it.

For SoB players this just suck, since it will be the only SoB crap they will have for the next 10 years.

>>52305616
You get a Sister Superior too.

>>52305632
You'll see soon enough

>>52305617
You just delayed them by another year.

>>52305560

>that pic

T-that's really sad.

>>52305645
>le age of emperor maymay

>>52305560
>mon cheri
That's no Sister, anon

>>52305662
>that's the joke

>>52305662
Political Correct GW is coming and there is nothing we can do about it.

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

>>52305668
I don't get it

>>52305680
Nah, but they'll probably use SoB as a way to deflect criticism from SJW goons

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>>52305684
Come back when your male look just as good a your female

Can I have 2 Shield-cpt in a 10 man squad Custodian ?

>>52305684
>posting a wakfu cosplay while saying that
wat.

>>52305715
You ignore, report and/or shitpost back so he can have the (you) and move along with your life.

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>>52305722
spotted the autismo who gets mad at unpainted minis on the table

>>52305745
Wut?

>>52305745
See, this guy gets it.

>>52304775
I thought you couldn't make a vehicle one of your specialists

>>52305691
>>52305632
>>52305680
>>52305617
I'm counting on GW being spooked by SJW outrage
Doubt they'd be man enough to squat the only female range aside from eldar

Check my weebshit. More or less wanna cross a Wraithknight with an Imperial Knight.

Evangelion 300 Points Gargantuan Creature
WS4 BS4 S10 T8 W6 I4 A4 Ld8 Sv3+/4++

Wargear:
Pallet Rifle (36" S7 AP4 Heavy 3)
M7 Handcannon (12" S7 AP3 Pistol)
Progressive Knife (S: User, Rending, Progressive, Melee)

May replace Progressive Knife with:
Core Knife - Free
Progressive Sword (S:D, Progressive, Melee, Two-handed) - 30pts

May replace Pallet Rifle with:
Heavy Railgun (48" S:D AP1 Heavy 1, Anchored) - Free
Positron Rifle (36" S8 AP2 Heavy 2, Lance, Gets Hot) - 15pts
Gatling Gun (36" S7 AP4, Heavy 6, Rending) - 15pts
Anti-Eva Bazooka (48" S10 AP1, Heavy 1, 10" Blast) - 30pts
Siege Maser (48" S:D AP2, Beam) - 50pts

May replace M7 Handcannon with:
Maser Pistol (12" S8 AP2 Lance, Pistol) - 15pts
HELIOS Pistol (12", S10 AP1, Pistol) - 15pts

Special Rules:
AT Field - An Evangelion has a supernatural barrier that seems impossible to defeat; except by other Evangelions. An Evangelion has a 4+ Invulnerable Save and counts as having one Void Shield. In addition, Evangelion models take Deny the Witch tests at 4+.

Progressive: This weapon uses vibration technology to produce a oscillating resonance that is capable of cutting through most targets with relative ease. A Progressive weapon rolls two dice when making rolls to wound and armor penetration rolls and takes the higher result.

>>52305560
How should I post it then, anon?

>>52305803
Hell, it's what I'd do in their position. I mean you've got a full female army with a cool aesthetic, and now people are writing articles about how 40k is for white male fascists. Might as well make a big marketing show of re-releasing SoB since most of the current fans want it, it'd help negate some of that bad press, and it just might (unlikely but you never know) draw some new people into the hobby as well.

>>52305803
They just brought in Sisters of Silence though

>>52305803
The thing is we are looking at GW.

The company that kills and revive products while axing and un axing product lines. Then wonder why people are not buying their decade old models that got more expensive with less shit inside. To then release bundle of cheaper models will keeping the insane priceses because they got cucked by the shareholders

In other words GW is retard enough to shoot itself on the foot in the name of sales.

>>52305831
Core Knife: This Progressive weapon is designed to strike true and unleash maximum damage against another overwhelming threat such as an Evangelion. Make attacks as normal, setting aside any rolls to hit of 6 before rolling any armor penetration or wound rolls. On a wound or penetration roll of 6, you may choose to improve the strength of the hit to a Destroyer hit(and rolling twice to take the more favorable result), however all other attacks are forfeit (regardless of additional hits) and the Core Knife is destroyed. No repair rolls can repair a Core Knife. (tl;dr a 6 to hit and a 6 to wound lets you hit once at Strength D but you break your knife)

Heavy Railgun - This massive weapon requires a fixed power source, or setup time. It cannot be fired if the Evangelion moved in the same turn. No manipulation of special rules can modify this penalty.

Berserk: When an Evangelion unit loses more than half its current wounds in one turn, take a leadership test. If failed, the pilot loses control and the Eva goes Berserk, immediately regaining d3 wounds and gaining +1 to its Weapon Skill, initiative, and attacks, as well as Fleet and Rage. All weapons on the Eva are considered to be destroyed(with the exception of a single M7 Handcannon), but while Berserk, resolve close combat attacks at Strength D. A Berserk Eva will always try to advance and attack the nearest enemy unit. A Berserk Eva will always Run, and may charge into combat after making a Run move. If the Eva is able to completely destroy an enemy unit in the Assault Phase, make another leadership test to regain control. If the test succeeds, the Eva no longer berserks, but cannot act on the following turn. An Eva will always fight in close combat regardless of this. An Eva can enter more than one berserk state, and will do so!

Gargantuan Creature (Fear, Fearless, Feel No Pain, Hammer of Wrath, Move Through Cover, Relentless, Smash, Strikedown)

>>52305844
Failsafe Protocols: In the event an Evangelion is destroyed, center a 10" blast over the center of the model before it is removed. All models under the template suffer a hit at Strength D.

>>52305837
Exactly. In the past 6 months they've done Celestine, Veridyan, and SoS (which aren't SoB but have a very similar aesthetic). If you don't think that's a pattern, especially when Veridyan sold wayyyy better than GW was expecting, you're an idiot.

>>52305837
That is so fucking strange. Most of the time it feels like GW is trying to take out FW from the market.

Wonder if the CEO knows FW is part of GW and not some third party company that has the rights to thier shit for some mysterious reasons.

>>52305862
I don't know what to think until 8th edition hits.

>>52305872
It would be GREAT if they axed off Forge World completely.

>>52305874
I would expect a lot of changes coming, with 8th edition and girlyman's resurrection.

>>52305874
I've been waiting for plastic SoB since WH. Along with trench coat plastic IG.

Rumours and wishful thinking means very little at least regarding SoB.

>>52305832
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>>52305890
I'm still afraid to death of an Age of the Emperor and my local club dropping 40k.

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>While in some ways similar to the mighty Space Marines many of you may have been fortunate enough to witness in action in our last war zone placement, there are many things that set these warriors apart: for instance, they are much shinier.

I fucking love this

>>52305300

Unfortunately every Chaos unit with the exception of PMs pay that tax. Getting an essentially free Force Weapon on top of that actually makes it less so for the Rubric Squad

>>52305909
I don't wish to end playing Warmachine aka 40k with steam robots and deformed beast. It was a good alternative till the fucks started doing Xbox Huge models just like GW.

>>52305895
Thing is though, you've gone 10 years without getting ANYTHING.

Then in just a few months you've gotten a new canoness, a new living saint, and a re-release of the immolator kit. Plus the tangentially related SoS.

They're coming.

>>52305909
You mean like 40k endtimes? Won't ever happen considering how 40k is like 90% of GWs income. Although if you're referring to a re-writing of the rules to be more like AoS, I dunno. It could happen I guess, but I wouldn't worry too much. I don't think they'd change that much without re-launching the property like they did with AoS.

>>52305944
We are talking about GW, the same fucks that suggested me to ask the mail man if he had my parcel.

GW things the world works like a small UK town and their consumer are people from the town that know each other for decades and have beers while playing.

>>52305944
Holy fuck I just checked the web store, an immolator is half the cost of a footsslogging sister squad.

>>52305967
It's 32,50 while a footslogging sister squad is 25-50 euros.

>>52305967
And some how people defend GW priceses.

I'm not saying they should sell them at production cost, but they sure as hell are random as fuck.

>>52305905
I did, but when I make a list using the builder none of the images load.

>>52305702
No

>>52305684

W E W C R A

>>52305980
50e actually

>>52305503
Just make a 500pt sisters of silence army and call it a day, no need to drop your wallet in the trash

>>52306016
Well 25-100 euros actually, since the squad can be anywhere between 5 and 20 models.

>>52305583
You must not have connected it properly on the back, she tilts a bit anyways but not that much. That being said the tilt doesnt even look bad since she's flying

>>52305981
The issue is that every box goes towards production AND GW HQ and all the brick and mortar stores. Mantic and Perry Miniatures and any other company selling sprues of miniatures can charge half of GWs prices thanks to a lack of physical stores and a decrease in staff at their main office.

That said, vendors apparently get miniatures at half the price and that's why FLGSs often sell at a 20% discount.
Still, $70 CAD for 5 terminators on 2 sprues is insane when other companies can get you 2 sprues for $40 or less OR you can buy 5 metal miniatures from Corvus Belli for that much.

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>>52305928
I love The Regimental Standard, never lets down.

>>52305862
I'm guessing they've already got the plastic sisters ready to go, they're just stalling as much as they can and creating hype so they can move whatever pewter sisters they have sitting in storage. Thas me being super optimistic tho

>>52306092
>GW just wants to clear old metal sister stock!
People have been saying that exact thing for the past 5 years.

Gathering Storm was horse shit they threw out to end Warhammer 40,000. Nothing more.

The rules were shit also.

You can talk about Gathering Storm but nobody here is really going to accept it as canon is all we're saying.

This has been a PSA from concerned citizens of WHFB General.

>>52306092
The thing is old metal model stock was sold as scrap. Every last bit of it.

So either GW kept SoB metal models or they are making metal models to keep things from constantly running out of stock.

Both ideas are super retarded. Like or hate the army but SoB situation is odd as fuck.

>>52306119
salt/10

>>52306119
>Its not canon because I dont like it

>>52306119
Kindly no Gathering Storm or Age of the Emperor. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.

>>52306119
>This has been a PSA from concerned citizens of WHFB General.
Shitpost and/or Bait.
You shouldn't have put that in, it's too obvious as you just seem super salty.

>>52306138
But it is.

>>52306060
Nah I mean there's a slot on her cape for the parchment to connect with and I lined them up properly. Not sure what happened. But yeah like you said it's not a huge deal since she's flying, I just think it's weird.

>>52305616
>menopause mental sisters

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Looking for some feedback on my list here, it's the first one I've really ever made. I'm a poor student so I decided to make it out of mostly the Deathwatch Battleforce.

Also, are 5 man squads of Vets with just bolters and maybe one heavy weapon worth it in a list in addition to the usual frag cannon and melee squads?

>>52305286
*** With terminal results. This does not count as martyrdom.

>>52306161
Same thing happened to mine. I think it has to do with the placement of the ends of the parchments and how they attach to the base?
Regardless, it looks more like she's swooping into combat then just floating around.

>>52305686
It's a French joke. When referring to a sweetheart that's a woman, you say "ma cherie," but in the comic the Brettonian says "Mon chéri" which means he's talking to a make sweetheart.

>>52306190
>Waaah why do people like what i dont
you have to be over 18 to post on this board friendo :^)

>>52306190
At least its 1 faction (well 2), unlike 999 different Space Marine chapters that looks exactly the fucking same.

>>52304902
>Sorcerer is optional
>Icon of Fire is changed to: All Friendly Psykers casting Maledictions / Witchfires that target an enemy unit shot by a unit with an Icon of Fire harness on +1, (3+ normally, 2+ max)
>When a Psyker is part of a Rubric unit, replace Slow and Purposeful with Relentless. Psyker also gains Relentless when attached to Rubrics

Rolled 5, 2, 2, 2, 4, 1, 5, 4, 2, 3, 1, 2 = 33 (12d6)

>>52306212
rolling to hit with my scatbikes

>>52306229
>>52306234
>responding to state pasta

>>52306190
Looks like you misspelled Marines there pallo

>>52305890
They need a proper codex which would require lots of new models
Notice we haven't had any proper codexes for a while due to 8th coming in
Instead we have supplements to be used alongside other codexes or mini factions like gsc which are usually tied to new models for board games or mini releases tied to campaigns like wulfen and 1k sons

>>52305983
>Print preview

>>52306279
This meme again.

>>52306280
Can't wait for my Noise Marines + Lucius + Fulgrim release similar to what the 1ksons got. Rumours from GW say next year. My body is ready

>>52306279
they've got spider tanks, piloted walkers, weird flash gordon robots, and torsos stapled on to tank treads

>>52306247
I'm not sure that icon change would work out rules-wise.

Better would be to lower the base price of the squad, and make the sorcerer optional. Have the AP 3 bolt weapons tied to the Icon instead, so you can get it on other squads. Having a Sorcerer in the unit lets them ignore the restrictions of SnP on running and firing over watch.

Then to ahead and give them and berserkwr Feel no Pain so that all the cult
Troops have it in some form, and to make their survivability angle matter more.

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>>52305803

The SJWs are already within GW. Hell, check out what BL authors on twitter are following. SJW groups, causes and celebs out the ass.

>>52306279
(you)

>>52305933
For starters, just because the rest of Chaos gets shafted by something doesn't mean the Thousand Sons aren't also getting shafted.
Secondly, just because something has a certain commonly associated value does not mean that is its actual value, by your logic Grey Knights should cost 5 points per model without their power weapons.

Though you are definitely giving me an idea of the sort of ass backwards reasoning GW must have used when they wrote these rules.

Still my point, that you have yet to address in any meaningful way, is that when compared to the Scarab Occult Sorcerer the Aspiring Sorcerer is blatantly overcosted.

>>52306184
What is the point of two power weapons on the black shield?

>>52306363
I think the 1k sons sorcs should have a similar ruling to Tzeentch daemons - They can roll on whatever powers, but they always count as having the Primaris power.

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HOLY FUGGIN SHIT KEK

I actually got a response for my shitposting email I sent about how terrible my ork army was weeks ago

Here's the email I sent and the response that had been sitting in my inbox, I never looked because when does GW actually fuggin respond to shit like this?

can the Acastus knight be used in a space marines army? or does it have to be used mith mechanicum or knights only?

>>52306404

>orks lasting for 4 turns

kek too fake man

>>52306404
You got the corporate auto response for stupid questions.

>>52306429
What the fuck is a fish tank?

And what you're referring to is an aesthetic. Every army has one, and you're being intentionally dense about it

>>52306425
yeah I didn't even expect that much though desu, having worked in HR shit like this, the response does mean someone actually read it and sent it on up. from there it's whatever though, I know they dont give a shit

>>52306438
It is a meme poster, report, hide, ignore, call the cops.

>>52306446
I got a similar response when I sent an email about plastic sisters.

People can meme as much as they want about GW not caring, but they are still a company, and any successful company does pay attention to feedback.

>>52306386
They do always get the Tzeentch primaris, it just sucks cock

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>orkz are a melee race!
>I2
>S3
>no natural FNP
>useless psykers
>useless transports
>useless walkers
>useless vehicles in general
>only reliable ap2 is melee and costs 25 points a pop
>overpriced fucking everything
>no good formations
>literally the worst army in the game, our 5th edition codex is a better choice and I would rather have it still
>treated with 0 dignity in the lore, not even a slight threat in any way, a true NPC race
>to top it all off one of the most goddamn expensive armies in the game to buy an army for
>Oh and GW fucking hates us for some reason, Orkz 8th Ed confirmed to be hit with another nerf bat
>mfw

>>52306470
>useless psyker
actually untrue, weird boyd are supprisngly effective

they jsut die to a stiff breeze

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are there (un)official tabletop rules for imperial orkz?

>>52306494
No becuase its always been a dumb concept

>>52306386
They already have half of that, they're just also forced to roll on the discipline they always get they're primaris from.

Anyway if I were change them I'd do that but also give them a second wound and let them buy a Spell Familiar and second Mastery Level for the standard prices.

Since the rubrics themselves are so inflexible and also have so few wounds relative to their kill power as well as a wounds to points efficiency that barely beats CSM even in ideal circumstances I'd probably drop their points a bit as well.

>>52306462
Basic corporate responsibility for a luxury product does not mean they care about you or your feedback.

>>52306342
>I'm not sure that icon change would work out rules-wise.

It can. T1 Shooting phase you shoot Enemy Unit A with Icon of Fire. T2 Psychic Phase your Psykers harness Warp Charge points on a result of one higher than usual (3+ normally) wjen attempting to target Enemy Unit A with a Witchfire / Malediction. Let multiple Icon of Fires stack (to max of 2+). Lasts until your next Shooting Phase

Improves your Sorcerers.

>Better would be to lower the base price of the squad, and make the sorcerer optional.
Base lower? No. Improve them. Don't cheapen them.

Optional Sorcerer? Yes

>Have the AP 3 bolt weapons tied to the Icon instead, so you can get it on other squads.
Not a huge fan of that as then Rubrics fall into the same problem as Berserkers ans Plague Marines. That Traitor Legion marked CSM do the same job, but cheaper.

>Having a Sorcerer in the unit lets them ignore the restrictions of SnP on running and firing over watch.
Agree. I'd also let that be Relentless as with SaP they can rapid fire and charge, but the moment a Sorcerer joins them they lose that ability?

>Then to ahead and give them and berserkwr Feel no Pain so that all the cult
Troops have it in some form, and to make their survivability angle matter more.

Make them more durable. But not by slapping a FNP on them. Give them something else.

>Can take an invulerable save after failing an armour or cover save

>lose invulerable save, but their bonus lets them do one of the following when resolving Wounds. Reduce the AP by 1. (AP3 becomes AP4) or reroll failed armour saves. Choose each time before rolling Saves.

>>52306467

You're missing the point he's making. Yes, they always get the Primaris, however CSM have a retarded rule where they're forced to waste one of their powers on their marks table. So for the lowly Rhubric sorcerer who is ML1, he's forced to roll his only power on a shitty table with a 1/6 chance of getting anything usable, while getting the Primaris anyway for rolling all his powers on one table.

>>52306494
Re-skinned genestealer cult?

>>52306494
Imperial Ork Sniper, i like that.

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>>52304709

Which do you guys prefer, the Warhammer 40k Wikia wiki or the Lexicanium Wiki?

>>52306551
1d4chan

>>52306526
Oh I see, so change marks to where you don't have to roll on the God-specific table but always have its Primaris?

>>52306523

If anything in the game deserves Feel No Pain, it's the killer robot Marines that literally feel no pain.

>>52306551
Personally I prefer the wiki, it feels like it has more information overall

>>52306551
lexicanium for sure

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>>52306551
lexicanum but if i'm looking for something funny it's 1d4chan

>>52306429
Not really. Even SM have a vast array of different themes and models, from Kastellans and sydonians to kataphrons and dunestriders, and that's not counting what the special characters bring to the table.

Compare to the amorphous mess of ultramarines which is literally a bunch of random ceramite with a toilet seat on it. That, metal boxes, and nothing else.

>>52306494
Imperial Cults and Militias from 30k using Abhuman Helots and something else to give them Rage or something.
You can then take blobs of S4T4 guys with 4 attacks on the charge that cost less than 5 points each.

>>52306438
How do you not know what a fish tank is? I'm genuinely curious, non American? Maybe you all call it something else.

fascinating.

What's the one army you don't see the appeal of? Not hating it per se, but just never finding a connection with it. I'm more interested in fluff reasons but if you don't like it for a mechanical reason that's also fine.

>>52306523
>I'd also let that be Relentless as with SaP they can rapid fire and charge, but the moment a Sorcerer joins them they lose that ability?

That's why I said for it to remove the restrictions, rather than swapping it out, so that the SnP benefits would still confer to the rest of the unit and anyone that joined.

Also, I agree with the fact that basic CSM shouldn't out class the cult units, but that's why I suggested the feel no pain. Thousand sons would have that, the 4+ invuln, and AP 3 bolters with an icon, while a basic squad would only have a 6+ invuln.

It would give a reason to take basic CSM or other units in a 1ksons force

>>52306617
No, I know what a "fish tank" is, I thought he was referring to the AdMech having some kind of tank (the vehicle) that looks like a fish.

I mean, they don't have regular fish tanks, thats for damn sure.

>>52306533
>greenstealers

>>52306561
CSM sorcerers as a whole shouldn't feel punished for having a mark, so at the very least, yes. They shouldn't be forced to roll on their mark table. They'll get their Primaris regardless because of the BRB rule Chaos Focus. Rhubric sorcerers would be a lot better if they could roll on shit like Heretech, Telepathy, or Divination. Hell, Heretech would give the army the anti-tank that it needs, but no. They're stuck rolling on useless Tzeentch powers.

>>52306597
Stop feeding the troll! God damn it! the fucker "ask" the same shit from time to time.

>>52306636
I hate FnP in all its forms and think it should be removed, but it's also the easiest way to make bad units decent and GW will never remove it.

>>52306629
All space Marines bar salaniggers
Too removed from humanity while still technically being human, just don't get the appeal

>>52306571
>And here are the Cult Units.
>They're just the same as Chaos Space Marines. Except they have... FEEL NO PAIN!

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>>52306535
>hoses the guy down with at least half a dozen tracers
>"Was that a stealth kill?"

>>52306629
No matter what I do, I can't really get excited for Imperial Guard. On the table, they're several dozen extra models you have to paint and remove immediately just to stay alive. I don't really like the look of most of their units, and a lot of their fluff is people either dying pointlessly by the thousands, or one squad of dudes going full FPS protagonist and killing entire armies somehow.

>>52306629
Tau, they don't fit bizarre retro aesthetics of setting.

>>52306629

Sisters of Battle, why would you want to play an all female army? Seems kind of weak and not as heroic as all male.

>>52306629
I have a problem, I could convince myself I'd want to play every army in the game
Tyranids might be the hardest sell though, since it's a Scifi setting and you're foregoing all the big guns and tanks for shitty kaiju

>>52306470
What the hell is left to nerf?!?!

>>52306724
Did you get your dick surgically removed during childbirth or something?

>>52306702
I mean, without it currently 1k sons will doe without their extra cost for invuln ever mattering, and berserkers are almost entirely outclassed by either basic CSM for cheapness or chosen for raw power.

Giving them Feel no Pain is a straightforward and fluffy way to give them a reason to exist

>>52306729
But that's the appeal
Why use bugs when kaiju

>>52306523
>>52306342
My take would be
>Base unit cost 140
>Rubrics cost 20 ppm
>Rubrics can Overwatch as normal but still not run while joined by a sorcerer
>Sorcerer has 2 wounds
>Sorcerer can roll on whatever discipline he wants
>Sorcerer can buy Spell Familiar and an extra mastery level
>Soul Reaper Cannon dropped by 5-10 points
>Icon of Flame now worsens enemy cover saves

In addition the Tzeentch primaris should be changed to be a bit less shite, either make it AP3 or make it Strength 2D6 or something.

>>52306715
That's pretty much what happens on the table. 50 dudes get shot up without the guard player blinking cos there's always more then guardsman Grogard inexplicably kills three terminators with a lasgun.

>>52306629
Tau, they don't fit into or belong in 40k

>>52306739
Reduce the AP of everything by 1. Remove the lukky stikk

>>52306747
Why use guns*

>>52306470
Actually the 7th edition codex buffed some things but those are shadowed by the things that were nerfed, as well as Kustom Mega Kannons and Smasha Guns being cheap and accurate AP2 and AP1, at only 20 points per gun, with the Kustom Mega Kannon being a S8 Plasma Cannon.

>>52306629
Tyranids. I just don't like anything about their aesthetic. In a game where you can play supermen, evil supermen who are magic, space elves, space robot skeletons, and space orks, they just seem kind of bland.

Were the old Grey Knight metal terminators better than the current ones? I can't for the life of me remember when they were released and how to search specifically for them.

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Should I just scrap this list

>>52306494
Ork Dakkajets are BS3 with TL guns, meaning on average if they grab their third Supa Shoota, they get 6.75 S6 AP4 shots that hit out of 9 shots fired.

>>52306739
they'll make stuff even more LOLRANDOM for us

>>52306752
>Icon of flame reduces enemy cover saves

This is probably the best fix for thousand sons as a whole I've seen. If it reduces by 1 or 2, it makes their AP 3 bolters actually matter, since then any marines they shoot will likely be dealing with a 5 or 6+ save. It also gives much more reason for marks on other units. Imagine autocannon havocs with a squad gun firing at flyers that can only jink for a 6+

>>52306745
Call it rule bloat. But I gave two suggestions in my post that would give Rubric increased durability without slapping FNP on them.

>1. Can take invulerable saves after failing an armour or cover save.

Effectively acting as a 4+ FNP. True, but just a slight spin. Maybe add that to all MoT.

>2. Before rolling armour saves may do one of the following: reduce AP of attack by 1 (AP3 becomes AP4) -or- reroll failed armour saves.

Lets them be super durable vs small arms, and negate some AP3 out there.

>>52306805
no it looks fun and fluffy tbqhfam

>>52306629
Tau and SoB.

Tau because they are the dumbest faction.

SoB because i have an inexplicable hatred of them and their fanbase.

>>52306739
>Ork Shootas are Assault D6-4
>If you roll a negative you take that many wounds

>>52306752
All good,
personally if the Primaris was S5 AP- Ignores Cover with the d3 S3 AP- also ignoring cover would do wonders.

Don't need an AP3 blast as your in a unit of AP3 marines. Helps clear the chaff.

>>52306629
Blood Angels

Literally vanilla Marines but red. At least Wolves, Templars, DA, and GK have some variation. Why even bother with DA

>>52306702

I didn't realize that all chaos Marines came packed with a 3+/4++/5+++ save, Ap3 bolters, and a sorcerer.

>>52306668

Except Wyches

>>52305368
>mixing plasma suits and marker drones
But why?
>Taking an aegis line with a formation and a detachment
But how?

>>52306629
Tau really doesn't belong 40k

>>52306848
desu Blood Angels have variation now too, they even get their own tactical squad.

>>52306470
>our 5th edition codex
What 5e codex? You went from 4e to 7e.

>>52306835

You're doing it backwards

Shoot as are assault D6, but any roll of a 3+ goes into the boyz because all that dakka gets them really fired up!

>>52306822
Hmm...fair point. In that case, I would say the latter. Rerolling armor makes them more durable against massed small arms, which is a current weakness since it gets around their feel no pain. It also would allow fun stuff like sticking a termie sorcerer in front for a rerollable 2+, or reducing the AP of plasma to 3.

>>52306551
>>52306574
40k wiki is utter shit

>Fanfic everywhere
>Fanart everywhere
>No citations. Simply dumps sources at the bottom of these massive pages making it impossible to look anything up
>Simply plagiarizes entire GW sourcebooks, copy and pasting them word for word page after page. Literally no other wiki on the web does this.
>Actually far more behind lexicanum in updating stuff. When stuff does update it's only done piecemeal and in a poorly organized fashion (i.e. new information on vulkan fighting horus might be added to the Vulkan page, but not the Salamanders, Sons of Horus, Horus Heresy, or Horus pages)
>Shitty in-universe rambling style that makes looking stuff up exhausting and annoying
>Awful organization that makes looking stuff up exhausting and annoying (Wanna find a specific Dark Angel? Well, a copy paste might be somewhere on that massive DA main page but good luck finding anything individual)

Lexicanum isn't perfect but is still far superior

>>52306870
Also Slugga's have gets hot! and Choppas have -1 to hit and wound to represent shoddy craftmanship.

>>52306867
was that a 4e dex? Shit.

>>52306902
JUST BECAUSE I LIKE SOB AND FAP TO TRAPS DOESN'T MEAN-
Wait shit

>>52306850
>I didn't realize that all chaos Marines came packed with a 3+/4++/5+++ save, Ap3 bolters, and a sorcerer.
>Not reading that the suggested change was icon of fire gives AP3 to bolt weapons
>not realizing Rubrics pay 58pts for their defect of a sorcerer. When you can buy the HQ one for 60pts
>paying 8ppm for a 4++ when you can buy another AP3 CSM for 15pts and not being slow and purposeful

So ya. I mean if Icon of Fire gave AP3 and Rubrics were given FNP they'd be CSM with FNP

>>52306902
>heterosexual men not liking women
????????

>>52306848
Sanguinary guard
Librarian dreads
Death company

>>52306895
The English lexicanum is way behind the deutch one though

>>52306652
Getting Shriek into a squad of Rubrics would be fantastic.

>>52306994
When have the Germans ever done anything less well than the English?

>>52307005
I was referring to SoB, but Eldar have both men and women in their ranks

>>52306978
>Sanguinary guard
Honor Guard with Jump Packs
>Librarian dreads
Something that all SM should have (especially the all psychic chapter, the Grey Knights)

>Death company
Unique. I'll give you that.

>>52307015
>Replying to cheetahfag

Why tho

>>52306978
This >>52307016 more or less

It would be ridiculously easy to fold Blood Angels into the vanilla dex, and they would be heavily improved from doing so

Allying SM with IG. Is there a reason not to pick a Vendetta over LC Devastators?

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>>52306786
Metal terminators didn't have great models, but the power armoured knights were posed well.

>>52307065
Stop spamming the thread.

>>52307011
I-i always thought the german one had less articles, like wikipedia, so I never really bothered with it...not to mention all the different translations for units.

>>52306363
Well that's easy. GW didn't use the backwards ass point systems sergeants use on him. Prob easier to compare him to an hq sorcerer

What page are the reserve rules on?

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w-why doesnt 40k have mentally ill mutant marines?

>>52307095
Germans are good people they just need to uncuck themself and stop feeling bad about things they never did and long past.

>>52307134
The cheetah joke got boring fast. But at least it is to identify it and simply ignore.

>>52307137
169

>>52307142
That's almost every fucking chapter though

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>>52307142
Because you touch yourself at night.

Websites to source 3rd party Alpha Legion parts? Salamanders works too, I want to start a sneaky boi army.

Recently, a certain bank offered a 10-year CD that earns 2.19% compounded continuously. If $20,000 is invested in this CD, how much will it be worth in 10 years?

>>52307202
>3rd party alpha legion parts

Like what?

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>>52307142
>"w-why doesnt 40k have mentally ill mutant marines?"
>What is CSM

>>52306551
>>52306575
>>52306580
>>52306895
Good to hear this.

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>>52307142
Even loylists have them!

>>52306229
>>52306234
>>52306259
That was bait, not a transport.

>>52306994
This really isn't true anymore

None of the recent HH books, beast arises, gathering storm stuff etc are on Nazicanum but are on English

>>52307261
transwolf

>>52307215

Serpent/Hydra/scale power armour.
Preferably something that fits with Mk IV?

>>52307292
Wolfkin

>>52307261
>>52307292
>>52307314

Awooo

>>52307299
Sure: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Alpha-Legion-Upgrade-Set
:^)

>>52307344

You're a hero, Anon.
I'm certain Z does this stuff.

>>52307344
This is the Legion famed for every battle-brother looking "completely identical"?

>>52307314
Literally Wulfen.

>>52307299
Also try this https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Alpha-Legion-Head-Hunter-Kill-Team-Upgrade-Set

>>52307005
I'm on to you cheetah poster.

>post prodominantly during west coast north American work hours
>either works a desk job or shitty irregular hours from a different part of the world
>works a job that allows him to cheetah post most of the day, aka unimportant job
>has a closet affection for eldar
>is torn between his love for space elves and his love for cheetah posting
>secretly hate faps to pictures of ynnari
>also faps to SoB fan art
>has a bdsm leather fetish and likely watches violent pornography
>is also a furry
>played whfb and reluctantly started playing AoS
>torn between Memes and his newfound love for AoS
>self abuser, does drugs
>currently serves no greater purpose in life than to greentext Aeldari

What else do we know about our resident furry?

>>52307365
Yeah, but really, on the table top hat looks boring AF
even the serpants gotta have SOME sort of bling

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>>52307372
Kek

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What kind of drones and how many of them can I build with Tau Start Collecting? What kind of weapon bits for crisis battlesuits will I find here?

>>52306629
Tau mostly because of the players, but the Gundam aesthetic is also dumb. Plus they are just miserable to play against, not really difficult cause it's always the same shit, just not fun because their whole shtick is making you footslog everything while they abuse stupid rules and broken units, and then claim to be tactical geniuses.

>>52307408
Female cosplayer not trying to over sexualise their cosplay? What is this sorcery?!

>>52305803
Don't be dunce, SJW's do not give a fuck about SoB or the SoS. They don't care about asthetic or art or the game at all. Actually talk and listen to one, the only issue that matters is female space marines. GW can squat any army no matter how many female models or named characters that army has, they won't care, it doesn't matter.

It's literally the single thing they care about, "women can't get geneseed implants, therefore GW is sexist."

And don't think you can give female marines models to show that they're female either like the Sisters or Eldar, nah that'll make you double sexist.

>>52307090
Bumping

>>52305831
>300 points
Yeah, no. Fuck no.

>>52307460
>Drones

Fire warrior box should have 2, Crisis kit has 6 if memory serves. You should have enough for any sort of drone you want. Is recommend markerlights for anything but Breachers.

I believe the crisis suits should have every gun in good numbers save for cyclic ion and the airburst frag

>>52307460
ALL marker drones.

>>52304781
Will be pretty shitty since your poison weapons won't have any effect on inorganic necrons, so they would wound on 6s being S1

>>52307553
>cyclic ion and the airburst frag
Man I remember having those as metal bits

>>52307499
In that case, the solution is to just have Fabulous Bill finish his project to make female marines, and release a CSM Apr he with a female head upgrade sprue and advertise it as a new all-female Warband. Maybe give them a supplement if they're feeling generous.

>>52307460
marker, gun and shield.

like 6 marker drones in total or something. you get fusion guns, plasma rifles, missile pods, flamer and burst cannons.

>>52307570
:^)

>>52306363
In 90% of cases across the board Squad Leaders pay a set price for wargear and upgrades. If Thousand Sons actually do get a discount for their wizards wargear then they can go to the back of the queue for points cost gripes

>>52307570
Are you drunk or was there a massive rules change

>>52307570
what are you talking about?

>>52307580
Yeah. Pretty sure those are only in the commander box now. Makes them pretty scarce. You're better off with 3rd party bits there.

>>52307549
Ignore him anon, hes a fucking weeb, with a shitty idea. Dont fuel that bullshit

>>52307600
>>52307609
Necrons are robots, unlike servitors they have absolutely no organic components, meaning Eldar splinter weapons, which work by delivering a poison, will have no effect on them so you just have to wound off their aweful strength

>>52307621
I mean, they were always commander box exclusive, that's why they were metal.
>>52307631
You could have just shorthanded that to "I'm a retard"

>>52307499
>>52307583
Oh, and of course since they would complain about it being chaos only, have the inquisition kill off a company's worth of them and decide to make another Inquisition chapter of fem marines to go alongside the Grey Knights and red hunters. Then release the tactical box with the same upgrade sprue, and let people run them as not!Exorcists (for any chapter tactics they want) or Deathwatch

>>52307597
It's not an uppgrades though, it's base wargear.
It's not like it matters though because the force weapon runs complete counter to their intended purpose and is so niche as to be useless in 90% of situations

>>52307631
Here we can see a meme being born.

>>52307631
Shame that's not in the rules, huh?

>>52307499
GW doesn't give much of a fuck about SJWs, they're a very stubborn company that's behind the times in general. Anita Saarkesian lobbied them but nothing came about besides plastic sisters and SoS minis, both of which the real fans had been calling for anyway

>>52307631
oh boy

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>>52306119
>This has been a PSA from concerned citizens of WHFB General.

Nice false flag by Age of shitmars

>>52307597
While everything has a set value it doesn't necessarily mean that that value is good value

>>52307674
Plastic SoB? The fuck are you smoking?!

Vyridian is resin and Celestine is not a SoB.

>>52307583
That would actually be kind nice, you could have a box with a plastic Fab Bill and 5 Enhanced Warriors (female) as well as bits to make more.

>>52307570
>>52307631
>Fighting the Necrons
>Necrons are largely mechanical creatures, and as such it might seem inappropriate that weapons such as sniper rifles, which normally use poison to achieve their effect, and agonisers, which work against an enemy's nervous system, should be effective against them. In practice, anyone using these weapons against Necrons would make adjustments to counter the Necrons' defences, for example, using acid rounds instead of poisoned rounds or altering the charge from an agoniser to affect the Necrons' power systems. Because of this, Necrons do not receive any special immunities in this regard. In the Warhammer 40,000 universe there are many troops with an equal claim to special immunities, such as Tyranids and Daemons. It is therefore logical to assume that weaponry will keep pace to maintain fairness and avoid unnecessary complication.
t. Codex: Necrons 3rd edition

>responding to shitposts

>>52307631
We've had cheetah spam, Eldar spam, marine wankery, and this has managed to be the stupidest thing in this thread or any thread I've read over the last several days.

>>52307708

I don't want female Chaos marines in my warband. That isn't metal.

>>52307703
>Celestine is not a SoB
U wot m8?

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>>52307631

>>52306363
My biggest issue is:
Rubric Squad is 150 for 4 Rubrics and 1 Sorcerer. You may buy extra Rubrics at 23ppm
>23ppm×4 = 92pts
>150-92 = 58pts

Rubrics pay 58pts for their 1W Sorcerer. While the 2W HQ is 60pts with more options.

>>52307708
Ywah, that's be a good way to handle it. They also don't really need to do more besides heads and possibly shoulder pads, as boob plate would be sexist or whatever.

Heck, you could even make it a traitor legion style Warband specifically to represent Bill and his crazy inventions as well.

>>52307725
Don't take his b8 he's a salty faggot because Celestine can't join sisters squads and them use acts of faith

>>52307724
Well EC already have trannies so they fit in fine there.

>>52307724
Then don't take them. It'd be some other random new Warband.

>>52307709
Damn, I've never had a shitpost shut down so hard, I conced to the more skilled anon

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> Well, shit.

>>52307786

kek that magnus is some hard gay shit right there, made me kek out loud

>>52307631
True, but you got to be careful of their Haywire weapons which Wound on a 2+, ignore your armour, and disable your resurrection protocols, because as you said you're all robots

>>52307725
She's a living saint, equally a part of each part of the imperium. She doesn't even benefit SoB particularly well compared to other Imperial armies.

>>52307365
>>52307384
Can't remember what novel it was I read, but a regular human couldn't tell a group of Marines (Black Templars, if memory serves) apart, even when wearing simple civilian clothing. Their sergeant was quietly gobsmacked and a little offended that the guy couldn't see what were to him obvious differences; one marine was tall, thin and willowy, another stout and muscular, and their newly-minted Initiate still beamed with youth.

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>>52307786
Too bad Roboute can't demonstrate superiority of human genes anymore.

>>52307786
Has anybody done a fully nude Magnus and sculpted his cock and balls? Not even parody or sexualized, I'm talking Michaelangelo's David, just quietly there, daring you to look.

>>52307799
When you're a psychic god, pants are optional.

>>52307763
I'd make the armour have a silhouette and helmet style reminiscent of DE Wracks to show Bile's conection to the Haemonculi covens.

>>52307853
>the "U" on his pants
>Ur mouth here

>>52307724
Girls suck but they can be pretty metal too

>>52307553
>>52307557
>>52307584
Well, so I understand I should stick with marker drones - good to know, thanks

>>52307869
Maybe. I was mostly suggesting a pretty low-effort and fluff-friendly way GW could add female marines.

>>52307811
>Worried about massed haywire in the current year

Yeah ignoring poison to shut down certain armies to be worried about what only a few armies have is a fine tradeoff

>>52307908
marker drones are a step above the rest but its not like a shield drone for crisis suits is retarded.

how do you beat this at a tournament without tailoring so you can beat other lists?

So someone in our local group has been fielding this for a while now, and it did very well in a local tourny. How would you deal with it whilst not tailoring against it so as to remain competitive against other armies.

Castellans of the Imperium Detatchment 2k


HQ
Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
Ordo Malleus Inquisitor

Troops
Tactical squad
Tactical squad
Tactical squad
Tactical squad

Lords of War
Baneblade
Guilliman
Blood angels CAD
HQ
Librarian level 2 in terminator armour

Troops
Tactical squad
Tactical squad

Lords of War
Fellblade

>>52307918
>Worrying about poision when its Grav and D edition.

Armies that rely on poison? Dark Eldar and Nurgle Daemons.

I mean go ahead and crush already mediocre enemies. Grav and D destroys all equally.

Best way to stop a deamon prince at small points? Multiple deamon princes at 1k. Im playing against a "Timmy" friend so he tends to do shit like this.

I also play chaos marines.

>>52307992
Vindicator if they're not flying, cheap massed firepower if they are. Autocannon havocs would be a good addition.

>>52307992
Helldrakes' vector strikes, and using them to kill whatever he has on the ground.

>>52307965
This reminds me, what the hell is even the point of legendary toughness and power armor when almost everything trumps it? And I mean, Marines train and get surgically implanted for a century to be toughness and strength 4, being able to tear thinly armoured vehicles apart bare-handed and tough out some incredible damage, but at the same time a fucking ork that just sprouted from a cumshroom 5 minutes ago and is going to dead in another 5 minutes is already as tough?
I'm not calling for nerfs or buffs to anyone, but isn't it a bit silly? Same for WS and BS, really. A Marine has to train for decades, same with ancient elven warriors and perfectly programmed killbots to be equivalent to an Imperial Guard footslogger who survived one battle and became a veteran?

>>52307762
58 pts - 23 pts = 35pts

35pts for the 10 point Sarge Tax, a 25 point Mastery Level, and free Force Weapon seems pretty legit tbqh. Add an extra 5 pts for the meltabombs that you need to take so your army doesn't fold against vehicles

Literally a bargain. Do Chaos faggots have this little to complain about these days?

>>52307938
>lord of war spam

yeah this is just cancer to local tourneys who don't know how to take on this kinda cheese or can't afford their own bucket of LoW

best way to get rid of this is to limit the lists to 1 lord of war, otherwise the entire meta will shift around this

>>52308037
It's almost as if there's a lack of granularity in the system or something.

>>52308037
gameplay =/= fluff

sometimes you just have to make sacrifices to balance the game or not make marines 50 pts per model

>>52308053
>tfw I have a baneblade and a knight who will never see a game because everyone thinks they're cheese
I heard an ork player recently won some tourney because his list was perfectly tailored around bringing two Stompas though, which I thought was fun. I'd love to fight a Stompa some time. Hell, I'd even love to own a Stompa even though I don't play orks.

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>>52308037
Because gameplay and lore differ. Else you'd have single named Marines plowing through armies of Orks.

>>52308053
>Baneblade
>barebones Fellblade without even AC
>literally foodslogging Tacticals with no support or even fucking special weapons
It's a fucking garbage list. Shut the fuck up. It's 2000 fucking points, your army should have enough firepower to wipe his shitty troops and just ignore the LoWs as you win by objectives.

If you wanted to counter-LoW him a Knight army would fucking destroy that list as long as it avoided Guilliman, which it would since Guilliman is slow as shit.

>>52307938
also the fact this guy isn't using coteaz in a castellans army means he's retarded so it might just be easier to outplay him

>>52308107
That would be fun though
Well I guess not for the ork player who has to bring out 400 ork boyz to a game I guess.
Fucking Marbo though, I remember he just sprouted from a bush once and destroyed like 25% of my army with a demo charge

>>52308043
It's absolute dogshit and you know it you baiting motherfucker.

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>>52308107
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>52308159
the question is, who would win?

>>52307859
Thanks to you I imagined a Magnus with a massive horsecock sculped.

yeah I imagined that before finishing to read your comment.

>>52308177
The Tau one :^)

>>52308043
60pts - 58pts = 2pts

2pts = +1WS +1W, IC, additional upgrades not available to IC sorcerers.

Hell your (troll) logic
14 Tactical Marine + 5 pts (Storm bolter) + 15 pts (Power Sword) + 25pts/(5 to 10) = 2.5 to 5pts for PM1

Grey Knights clearly are undercosted and should be 37.5 to 39ppm.

>>52308177
Manhattan, easily. You know, all that absolute mastery over all time and space, that would make the Emperor look like a toddler in comparison, makes most hypothetical fights pointless. It's probably about him caring to end Magnus or not.

>>52308159
Has there ever been a more broken OP character than Dr Manhattan?

>>52308153
If you could take more Mastery Levels on your HQ units you would. Which costs 25pts on every psyker they have access to.

You are Chaos so you have a 10 pt Sarge tax on every unit including Cultists and Havocs.

You are literally getting a free Force Weapon and spreading the Mastery Levels around your army so they won't be as easy to kill. This is somehow a bad thing.

baka

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r8 pls no h8

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I'm tired of losing and want a second army. I want a huge cunt of an army that will crush the growing WAACfag tendencies in my local meta so they either go full retard or shuffle back to friendly lists mind you I like to play competitively too but not every game like its been so far for months!

Should I pick up Eldar? Tzeentch Daemons? Gladius Strike Force? Barkstar? Is there some Forge World cheese I could make them miserable with?

>>52308219
Neither of those are sergeants. Apples and Oranges, friend.

>>52308226
>a more broken OP character than Dr Manhattan
Batman and I'm not even joking

>>52308222
idk magnus most def has got some reality bending powers, i think his psychic might would at least be able to negate manhattan's "delete" level powers

and magnus most certainly has precognitive abilities but we don't know if its like manhattans where he basically doesn't see the difference between past present and future anymore

>>52308256
There has never been an editions where Eldar have been utter shit.

They go from Decent to Broken OP

Stay Eldar for ever if you wish to waac.

>>52308043
Chaos Terminators, Possessed and Chosen do not pay the sarge tax.
Do you know what all of these units have in commo? All of their units respective "leaders" have the same Ld as the rest of the unit.
Do you know what the Thousand Sons have as their Ls stat? Oh yeah nothing but 10 on everyone.

>>52307938
Considering Guilliman can't be taken in Castellans, I'm surprised he's won with an illegal list.

>>52308037
>>52308107

Nyeh... From what novels I've read marines die. They don't die a lot, but that may as well be because they're not bad strategists and do not engage unless for surgical precision strikes. They do seem to die a lot more in the Horus Heresy books, and not just against other marines. So I don't think lore and mechanics differ that much. They're inhumanly tough... but so are orks. Orks are just dim-witted and hot-blooded enough that they seem to die a lot easier.

>>52308256
R&H rapierspam in a Skyshield with Kairos and Daemon allies.

Probably the most unfun WAAC list I can think of off the top of my head but it requires hordes and access to IA13 which is out of print.

>>52308264
This meme. Batman is shit, his entire things is not being mentally retarded.