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You did it wrong.

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>>52292125
>sad piano music

It's super difficult to look at the old thread to figure out what should go in the subject line, huh?

no dunk?

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5nd for lost and the damned, please give codex

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5th for forgotten faction, but is mentioned constantly.

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7th da lukky numba for da orkz

>>52292160
On the plus side at least you used an appropriate OP image and actually have some kind of thread title, as opposed to none at all.

>>52292103
You tried, op

>>52292187
mentioned constantly here and hardly mentioned in universe

>>52292187
Gos what I'd do for plastic sisters

How would they fix bloodletters?

What if they made them s5 t4?

what chapter would be the best at killing trannys?

>>52292166
>>52292198
>>52292201
I knew phoneposting was a mistake. Nevermore.

>>52292236
>Make them 8ppm

But in all seriousness. Just a single point drop would do wonders as it makes them in line with the rest of the lesser Daemon

>>52292243
Go back to whatever shithole you came from.

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Made a SM + IG + Skitarii army but wanted it fluffier cuz Raptors so changed Cadians for Elysians. Gotta post half here because the list builder doesn't like FW.

++ Allied Detachment (Elysian Regiment Drop Troops) [490pts] ++

+ HQ +
Elysian Company Command Squad [135pts]: Flak Armour
···· Company Commander: Laspistol
···· Officer of the Fleet: Laspistol
···· Veteran: Long Range Ground Scanner
···· 3x Veteran: Sniper Rifle

+ Troops +
Elysian Drop Infantry Platoon [195pts]
···· Platoon Command Squad
········ Platoon Commander: Laspistol
········ 4x Guardsman: Lasgun
···· Infantry Squad
········ Commissar: Bolt Pistol
········ Sergeant: Laspistol
········ 9x Guardsman: Lasgun
···· Infantry Squad
········ Sergeant: Laspistol
········ 9x Guardsman: Lasgun

+ Fast Attack +
Imperial Navy Vendetta Squadron [160pts]
···· Vendetta: 3x Twin-linked Lascannons, 2x Sponson-mounted Heavy Bolters, Armoured Cockpit

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>>52292103

How would they fix Militarum Tempestus?

>>52292103
Anons is it fair to take either a single Dakkajet or Blitza-Bommer at 1500?

And which one should I take, if I do?

>>52292236
the problem is that they have no way to get in melee before being raped like a slaaneshi whore by all the ranged factions AND they are overpriced

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If you have a Bike in say, a unit of Tactical Marines, can they Jink?

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How would you make female marines canon?

>>52292271

What makes Elysians more fluffy as allies for Raptors than Cadians?

>>52292264
found the mutant. lmao

>>52292256
I just find it worrying that they lose horribly to daemonettes, which not only win close combat with most things (I had a DP lose to them in combat) but they can also handle vehicles with rending.

>>52292170
/40kg/ doesn't deserve Duncan anymore. I gave you a chance but you faggots always brought back the unfunny memes. Better that he's dropped from the OP, since anyone who was a true acolyte of Duncan will know where to go for him anyway.

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>>52292300

I wouldn't.

>>52292243
Exorcists

>>52292300
Make them not marines; make them a side project that (maybe only works on women) that produces a different type of supersoldier (really sneaky, fast, etc.)

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>>52292300
Shitpost harder annon, that didn't even give me an erection.

>>52292300

But Blood Angels are canon.

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

>>52292300
There are Fem Marines, just ask Honsou : ^)

>>52292292
only the bike has jink usr

>>52292236
give them armor again, maybe an option to take other power weapons

>>52292346
Power mauls on bloodletters would be godly.

>>52292292
No, only the bike can jink. If you put them in the front, that does mean you can have the biker tank the wounds though.

Generally though, a tactical squad will be sitting in cover anyway.

>>52292341
Those sure are some powerful armpits

>>52292341
>undermanned as shit
>ego problems
>all of them are bound to be Slaanesh`s bitch
>ego problems
>BTFO`d by everyone
>ego problems
Yeah, sure, Elfag

>>52292303
Special Forces that uses more actual tactics like ambushes, blitzkrieg and guerilla; not just 'shoot flashlights at them' or 'throw enough wet paper at them'

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41st for plastic sisters soon

>>52292364

Okay cool. I was going to put a bike captain in front of a jump squad (don't own any bike units yet) and have him jink, artificer armor and a storm shield should put him at 2+/3++ as well.

>>52292306
Problem is with Bloodletters is they suffer from MEQ Syndrome (same as Power Swords)

Basically for Bloodletters they excel at killing T4 3+ and are straight inferior vs every other target.

Make Bloodletters 9ppm, maybe give them Pocket Skulls (Assault Grenades) and call it a day. Sucks that Daemonettes beat them. But thems the breaks
>Daemonettes at best get a 12.
>Bloodletters at best get an 11.

>>52292300
Warp nonsense. Have a Slaaneshi warband consisting of female cultists in power armor given enough boons to make them equal to marines. If you want loyalists, have it be some chapter that got lost in the warp, ran into some Tzeentch daemons that gender-swapped them because 'wizards', and then they pop back up a millennia later and manage to get declared non-heretical enough to work for the inquisition.

>>52292276
put them in the astra militarum codex

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>>52292334

I don't agree with the whole SJW/female marine shit but no one has a right to tell an artist what to draw or what they're doing is wrong.

Just realised Uni has pretty nice 3D-printers. Has anyone tried making their own models?

>>52292405
>but no one has a right to tell an artist what to draw or what they're doing is wrong.
says who?

>>52292300
nothing in the lore would prevent an mtf transgirl marine who transitioned later in her life from existing

>>52292405
You've got a right to, but they also have a right not to listen

>>52292405
>no one has a right to tell an artist what to draw or what they're doing is wrong.
The SJWs disagree.

>>52292442
you are forgetting the part of the lore where the imperium kills all mutants

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>>52292341
>Aeldari
Lmao

>>52292397
You don't need him to jink if he has a storm shield. In any case where your armor is getting ignored, the 3+ invuln will be better than 4+ cover.

>>52292442
that's CSM/Slaanesh territory, not space marines

>>52292276

Bring back specialties.
3rd Special weapon at 10-man units.
Fold em back into the IG.

>>52292442
>Marines giving a shit about any of that
Report to Chaplain for a good mindscrubbing, that'll fix you.

>>52292442
Transition later in life...

Anon stop being retarded. Marines are taken from young boys. By the time they are marines there is only the chapter and their duty to the Emperor.

This century mental gymnastics do not apply.

>>52292467
Slaneesh creates hermaphrodites, not trannies. Why are you so desperate for every medium to have an equivalent to your mental illness? Go back to tumblr, holy shit.

>>52292408
Yes, the material those printers use is expensive and unless you are in the engineering department, you probably don't have easy access to them. The next fun bit will be getting a model to print. You might be able to scan it and print the scan, but it will be a solid, singular piece, or design one in a CAD program

>>52292503
what the actual fuck are you talking about

Would Red Scorpion Chapter Tactics be in any way viable in small point games?

>>52292300
You mean like SoB?

Let's just for simplicitys sake say women have 8/10th the maximum strength capacity of a man. Beef up a man to 200% (IE. Space Marines) and you get a man with twice the strength. Beef up a woman to 200% and she'll still only have 80% the strength a man would have. At these levels tho, the strength difference would be extreme.

Why waste precious geneseed on women when they can be utilized in other ways that require less brute force?

>>52292455

I have Skilled Rider and Stealth/Shrouded being shared the unit as a whole, so the idea was 2+ cover save (Jink) and 3+ save (Invulnerable), FNP and then Eternal Warrior.

>>52292243
Tyranids
>no pity
>no remorse
>no emotions at all
>already rekt the living shit out of eldar, who are trannies

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Who is the coolest character in 40k and why is it Kharn?

>>52292537
angry=/=cool

>>52292520
That's probably the place where it's the most viable. Feel no Pain on tacticals is a bigger benefit when the game is small and there's less giant guns being thrown around everywhere.

>>52292300
New tech discovered/rediscovered by Cawl and/or Girlyman that allows geneseed to work on females.

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>>52292442
Space marines are not human, they are more like a single gender or genderless species that reproduces by abducting adolescents of the human species and implanting organs that hijack their growth

>>52292426
Says anyone that isn't a feminazi, commie or nazi

>>52292387
Sister weebs pls go

>>52292555
>if you dont have shit taste you are a buzzword

>>52292453
I never thought of it like that

>>52292547
Angry enough to single handedly fuck up Knights and Titans, fracture to legions and come back from the dead = cool.

>>52292507
I'm an engineering student so access ain't a problem. We were there today printing some other stuff. School pays for all the materials so that's a big 'yes'. We've even got a 3D camera thingy set up so we can scan models!

I've personally not 3D-printed anything yet so I've no idea if 0.1 mm is detailed enough to make them look detailed enough..

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>>52292453
>Adarki Aeldari
Rofl

>>52292550
Gathering of the Storm books...
Hey we are advancing the plot!
Nothing change...

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>>52292568
never

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>>52292287
Pls help

>>52292570
Nothing to do with taste, you can't make them not draw something.

It's fine not to like it you retard, and it's fine to criticize, just don't be a whiny bitch about it.

>>52292483

3 specials would be great

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>>52292582
>adarki
Is that actually a thing? ROFLMAO

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>>52292442
>nothing in the lore

except that you would go to therapy with your local librarian, talk to your chaplain, and talk to your commanders. you couldn't convince them to help you transition because no one would be trained for something useless to marines. if you continued to be disruptive i could see them sending you off to the deathwatch, death mission, 2nd off to the inquistion, or made a servitor. said inquistor might kill you for being unhelpful

tl dr, it wouldn't happen

>>52292601
>you can't make them not draw something.
uhhh theres this thing called death.

>>52292600
I mean it's not really fair on yourself, more than anything.

>>52292405
I agree. He has no right to tell GW how they should run their IP or that they're doing it wrong.

>>52292408
Mine too, in fact I'm about to go print a dunecrawler tomorrow, since someone put up some really high quality STL files of one on thingiverse that I snagged before it got taken down. In my case the printer I managed to reserve a time for is the Form 2.

>>52292507
All the printers in my uni are totally free to use, we don't even have to pay for the materials as long as what we're doing isn't too big. But even when you do have to pay it's at a pretty steep discount compared to list prices for the material.

>>52292600
It's fair to take any codex unit at any point value. And ork flyers are bad.

If you're playing 1500 points and your opponent has no flyers or AA in their army they're doing it on purpose.

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>>52292613
>killing people over art
Then you really are a nazi

>>52292523

Ok that's sexist first of all it's a fucking science fiction setting women can be as strong as men

>>52292580
>fanwanky stories about soloing Knights and Titans because he's the best evar!!!
>teamkilling fucktard
>dies like a bitch over and over

>cool

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>>52292633
>people

>>52292383
Depends on the SF. American SF, actual SF like the Green Berets, do elite operations while mainly training local forces to be baddass enough to win their own wars. Cadian impersonators or whatever homegrown scrubs would be a good analogue, or even using catachan models to represent the third world who have no resources

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>>52292634
>realism is sexist
>we can just pretend!
Why don't you go back to your feminist group and bitch at them for being sexist for not being as strong as men?

>>52292617
>>52292631
Yeah but I dunno which one I want to take. I want to theme my army as part of an invasion force on one of Armageddon's hives, and I want to take one of the two, but I'm not sure which to take.

Both seem pretty good, but I only want to take one.

BLUEBERRY PUSSY

>>52292627
I'm genuinely considering paying for that badass looking Vendetta model; $20 for unlimited $80 ships is a yes in my book. Think you could MEGA that .stl? A free Dunecrawler would be even better!

>>52292634
>being this bad of a troll
The average woman doesn't have the same physical capacity as the average man.

There are exceptions but it's rare. Also, they literally tried making female space marines in the fluff, and it didnt work.

>>52292633
>what is islam

>>52292634
>>>tumblr.com

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>>52292300
Female marines would be pointless for the reasons anyone in the fanbase would want them because by the time they're done with all the augmentations and surgeries and controlled mutations from the geneseed they'd look like the same flat slab chested meat-hunk freaky muscle-ogre big boned frankenstein-faced freaks that the male space marines are supposed to look like.

Pic related are the Blood Angels from Space Hulk. Note that BA are canonically the most beautiful chapter of Marines.

The change from human to astartes is about 10x more intense than a hormone therapy sex change. Female marines would be indistinguishable from the males.

>>52292300
Girlyman creates "human perfection therapy" or some shit designed to enhance humans to super human levels.

Girlymen give it to SoBs to create not!marines who are very different to actual marines but not as far as the fluff/crunch is concerned.

>>52292271
What's the reason for the skitarii?

>Not even 100 replies yet and morons are complaining about sjws influencing the 40k universe
Sorry that this was your first thread, OP.

>>52292672
BANSHEE ASS

>>52292634
No.

Wish I could find the article about the soldier woman that basically said being a combat heavy soldier while being a women was retarded and put in danger her self and the squad.

That article trigger so hard the PC that is impossible to find now

>>52292523
>At these levels tho, the strength difference would be extreme.

Would it be? You're talking about a game where a barely trained conscript, imperial guardsman, robed cyborg, sister in power armor, sister wearing nothing but robes, bio-engineered velociraptor, fungal space gorilla, and literal daemons from ultra-hell all have the same strength.

If you want a woman in 40k to be as strong as a Space Marine, you make her a Callidus assassin and let her mop the floor with a Tactical squad.

>>52292691
NURGLE... poxes?

We dont get nice stuff.

>>52292679
Jesus, I just wanted to be the prettiest marine at the ball.

>>52292442
>nothing in the lore would prevent an mtf transgirl marine who transitioned later in her life from existing
So... you haven't read, like, even the most basic of Space Marine lore, then?

First time builder here

Have you guys ever noticed that Citadel glue smells like a fresh pack of Twizzlers?

Why?

>>52292667
Fair point. Just figured Raptors would more willingly joint-op with a similarly centered detachment

>space marines need more gender diversity
>gender diversity of Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence is fine as is

>>52292699
sisters should be s2t2

>>52292670
>40k
>realism

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>>52292644
>fanwanky stories about soloing Knights and Titans because he's the best evar!!!
Kek Traitor legions is fanwank now?

>teamkilling fucktard
>implying cowards who cease their sacred duty of slaughtering slaneeshi degenerates because 'b-but i-it's cold out there!' deserve to live

>dies like a bitch over and over
Literally only once standing upon a mountain of custodes corpses then raging himself back to life.

>being this mad
lmao

>>52292712
Don't sniff plastic glue.

>>52292712
I wouldn't know about your Amerifoods but it does smell like pear drops.

Really makes you think about whether you should be eating shit that smells like glue you shouldn't

>>52292738
I'm trying not to!

>>52292686
Wanted something with dakka and figured they'd do the job better than tacs. Might be wrong tho; I'm a scrub

>>52292300
As "muh strong independent womenz" scientists who tried to replicate the Emperor's genius and then got wiped out for heresy.

>>52292712
>sniffing glue

>citadel glue
No because there are cheaper brands that are as good
>twizzlers
No cause I'm not murican

>>52292711
Oh anon, you know he means "there's no explicit quote anywhere that says I can't do it, thus I can, and it's totally canon."

>>52292691
>>52292672
LESBIAN EMPRAH WORSHIP

>>52292684
Nopenopenope! They have to specifically be marines you shit lord!

>>52292727
(you) too

>>52292679

Do you think the bald marines are jealous of the marines who still have a full set of lush hair?

>>52292699
That's because crunch, not fluff. Let an Astarte arm wrestle a SoB and see who wins.

>>52292684
My GM did something like that for our DW game. We got a couple of fenales who played with us. Ended up using standard rules with no houserules, we just fluffed one as an experimental gene therapied Inquisitor like what happened to early primarch's friends or the gland warriors. The other was a sister of battle who through faith powers she was effectively a marine. Spat holy water that was so pure it melted everything impure, ect.

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>>52292644
>loyalists faggots trying to degrade kharn
Nigger, Im nurglite but even I think that Kharny boy is a pretty badass guy

>>52292727
They are using power armour that is at least +1S/T

>>52292775
No I think they don't give a fuck because hair doesn't generally impact your ability to kill things with outrageous firepower and extreme CQC violence.

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>>52292765
SISTERS OF BATTLE

>>52292727
nah, they should be guardsmen(women?) with 3+.

Only 40k thread i saw and i figured one of you would know wtf im talking about. I dont post much but i spend time at 1d4chan often. My question: Has shoggy been on lately? I miss reading about sarge and the fellas. Just curious thanks.

>>52292796
Power armor does not enhance your strength.

>>52292751
I mean the fluff

>>52292816
>1d4chan
Man, I know it seems like a nice place, but please dont meme in here. Just a precaution, its paiful to watch people who came straight from 1d4 spew old as fuck memes in here.

>>52292824
It does, the crunch just cannot really account for it because there's not enough granularity.

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>>52292733
>implying I'm mad
Just setting out the facts, friend. Fanwank is dull, boring and samey, and TH + TL gave CSM tons of that shot, especially Kharn. So many snowflakes solo Knights that it doesn't mean anything anymore.

>turning on your own dudes is acceptable ever
Next you'll say Commissars don't do anything wrong.

>>52292733
>standing upon a mountain of custodes corpses
More fanwank. It would be more impressive if he took on a handful of them my himself, but "a mountain" turns their deaths into a meaningless statistic and dulls the impact of the deed.

>raging himself back to life
Khorne gave him a get out of jail free card, it wasn't Kharn at all. And he has died since then.

>inb4 lmao mad

>>52292780
>Let S 4 arm wrestle S 3 and see who wins

Is that supposed to counteract my point somehow? My point is that the differences in strength between a man, woman, ork, and a bunch of other nonsense, aren't significant enough in 40k to warrant the same difference as between a normal human and a space marine. That's how big of a gulf there is when a Catachan or an Ork is still only S 3.

>>52292824
It does, but requires the Black Carapace to fully utilize fully. Otherwise sisters wouldn't be able to drag around their favorite extra large melta.

>>52292839
>Next you'll say Commissars don't do anything wrong.
Not him but you're retarded if you think Commissars do anything wrong.

>>52292824
Did you start playing on 7th or something

It does. It has always been like this.

>>52292816
He was on a bit in December? I think, for a short thread, but I haven't seen the guy since then. I quite liked those stories too, hope he shows up at some point.

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WHY ARENT THERE GIRL SPACE MARINES AND TRANNY SPACE MARINES?

IM HUNGRY

MY CANKLES HURT

>>52292898
Nurgle?

>>52292898
I'm afraid to know what her actual position within the company is.

>>52292839
Khorne brought him back to life once, unlike some slaaneshi faggot with a thing for whips and scars.

>>52292898
Oh god kill it for mercy sake!

>>52292880
By the standards of the setting they're draconian officers just as much as they are absolutely vital invigilators.

In the modern world they're literally the SS. They do a lot of wrong, even if it's for all the right reasons in-universe.

>>52292827
Ah, my bad. Some anons helped me create some fluff the other day: basically the Raptors were tasked to oversee the transfer of some conscripts to be 'converted' into new Skitarii when they got jumped. At least something along those lines; it's a far from finished WIP. Would preferably change them to something else for better fluff but it's a start.

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>>52292765
Do it for her

>>52292907
How DARE you compare Papa Nurgle to this mess? Nurgle is a god who while feeding off despair, give the feeling of companionship to his followers and his daemon arent total assholes. This is just a cunt.

>>52292907
>her

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>>52292898
>>52292904
the resemblance is uncanny

>>52292871
Fair point. If we tenfold the strength tho and apply some fluff, maybe it'd look smth like this:

Woman: 28
Man: 30
Ork: 33

Male SM: 60
Female SM: 56

It might not be that much of a difference but the Astartes are limited to 1K/chapter and they've a limited geneseed. Obviously they'd spend that on the best possible candidates.

>>52292971
Dam Isha just gave up eh

>>52292898
>>52292971
Alright, who is this?

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>>52292989
oh god my sides just ascended to daemonhood

>>52292989
there's a difference between a wife and a prisoner

>>52292976
>tenfold it
>4 becomes 60
>3 becomes 56
There's still hope for you anon, don't give up

>>52292976
That's basically what I was getting at. Female marines wouldn't be drastically weaker in much of a meaningful way, but I'm not saying it'd be the best use of the Imperium's resources, nor do they really have the scientific capability to alter geneseed in such a way.

I would still argue that chaos and renegades is the better spot for that.

>>52292992
some tranny who shits up 40k threads.

>>52292992
From the picture of the Warhammer Community team on their website.

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/

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>>52292839
>Just setting out the facts, friend. Fanwank is dull, boring and samey, and TH + TL gave CSM tons of that shot, especially Kharn. So many snowflakes solo Knights that it doesn't mean anything anymore.
>marine player crying about other factions getting to do cool things in the fluff
Top kek

>turning on your own dudes is acceptable ever
>hurr hurr be loyal like a dog to cowards and weaklings who stray from the decrees of the Bloodfather
Are all marinefags this cucked? No wonder they staid loyal kek

>More fanwank. It would be more impressive if he took on a handful of them my himself, but "a mountain" turns their deaths into a meaningless statistic and dulls the impact of the deed.
>collapsing from your wounds after slaughtering enough of the imperium's absolute finest to make a mountain out of them
>so butt-blasted he thinks this is not cool
rofl

>Khorne gave him a get out of jail free card, it wasn't Kharn at all
Except the fluff says it's unclear whether it was Khorne or not. Considering no one else has ever been revived by Khorne the logical conclusion is that he passed out but didn't die.

>And he has died since then
When?

>>52292387
After the summer, i have seen the 3d sculpts in photos taken of a computer screen.

>>52293013
Anon Isha and Nurgle have the equivalente of a health BDSM relationship.

We all know that.

>>52292976
>>52293015
kek I meant from 3 to 30, 6 to 60
Thanks for making me laugh tho anon

>Inb4 SM don't have S6.

>>52292832
I have no idea wtf you mean. Im a 4chan oldfag. I stopped lurking several years ago. Ive always gamed and ive been a fan of 11d4chan only recently. I hadnt seen a post in a while so i came to /tg to see what was what. Not familiar with your board rules so apologies.

>>52293014
>>52293015

Whoops, replied to the wrong one
>>52293052

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>>52293026
>so mad he resorts to frogposting
>kek cuck kek rofl
>hurr you must play loyalist marines
>implying loyalists don't get even more fanwank than CSM

And so the /pol/lack shows his true colors.

>>52293069
>Im a 4chan oldfag
>/tg
uhh

>>52292872
>>52292895
Nope. Marines are S4 with or without their armor. Black Caraprace is for neural interface and first-aid systems only.

>>52293037
Don't bait the Sistersfags like that, they'll actually believe you and by this point seeing them get hopeful is just sad.

>inb4 no I'm serious
Sure you are Anon, sure you are. We all think you're doing a fantastic job posting these sourceless rumors, here's your (You). Rest assured the Sistersfags are already salivating at the confirmed promise of plastic minis.

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>>52292300
By letting the Sisters of battle find some (Not Black Carapace) Space McGuffin TM that allows for better motor control of power armor for normal humans. This allows the Sisters of Battle to field larger and more powerful suits and even walkers with greater ease. However due to the cost of making (Not Black Carapace) Space McGuffin TM not all Sister's can be equipped.

This now adds sister of battle units that are equal to space marines in strength but still I3, It also adds new versions of penitent engines and some kind of crisis suit/terminator hybrid.

Now you can have female "space marines" and I don't have to REEEEE. I think this is a good compromise.

>>52292673
Here you go, most of a dunecrawler.
https://mega.nz/#!AlQDgQaJ!Y68bo1EHVpYJubbKXT1gkOUUtb47EIm2CQ5iY8ZX-pU

Keep in mind it wasn't totally finished when it got taken down, so it's missing some parts, most importantly the main gun.

Someone did make their own main gun but it's not that great. Still you can have it anyway.

http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1422059

>>52292103
Im looking for Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the imperium and Defender of the imperium PDFs, anyone here has links for them?

>>52293097
And humans are S3 whether they're twig-thin tech adepts or schwarzenegger-tier shitstacked Catachans. Again, the crunch doesn't show it because of granularity, but the lore has always been that power armour enhances strength.

>>52293097
Suffice to say, 40k doesn't really represent stats in a granular enough way. Ideally, human baseline would be 2, orks would be 3, marines would be 4, and then power armor would be a +1 on top of that. That'd be as close as you could get to representing the fluff accurately without doing a massive overhaul of how stats work entirely.

>>52293156
Even just that would require a massive overhaul.

>>52292670

I'm pretty sure there are women stronger than you, so there is that.

>>52293127
I kind of like the suggestion another anon made in a previous thread of having a sort of elite all-female mecha core of the sisters. Basically girls in souped-up sentinels made to go toe to toe with traitor marines, crisis suits, and the like.

>>52293097
Not knowing the lore the post the movie the book the tv show.

Stopping posting if you have no idea.

>>52293088
Yes. Stopped lurking at 4chan after many years.
Always have gamed. Many systems. So this board seemed logical.

>>52293200
scouts are s4t4

>>52293088
/b man. Most other boards throw shit when you state that. So i was vague on purpose.

>>52293192
>gets BTFO
>w-well you're a m-m-manlet!
The Tumblr is strong today.

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>>52293097

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>>52293078
>marinefag gets called out and btfo
>can't even refute my points
>ass-ravaged enough to think sperging out about /pol/ and meme frogs is going to make me laugh any less harder at him
Thank you anon. I don't think my sides even exist anymore rofl

>>52292720
Yeah, you probably already know, but SJW's only care about people if they're not white men, unless they're trans white men.

It's not about diversity and equality, it's about social warfare.

>>52293097
Humans cant carry around Heavy Bolters yet Sisters can fire Heavy weaponry as if they were marines. There is not enough granularity in the game to showcase it but Sisters in power armor have the strength of an incredibly strong Catachan even though they are just highly trained women.

Power armor does give them strength.

>>52293174
It would require a rebalance, but you wouldn't have to alter the baseline rules.

>>52293208
So have you just not been paying attention to any of the half dozen posts that explained the lack of granularity in the crunch or is that word too big for you to understand?

>>52293208
And DCA are S4 I5 I don't see your point.

Please neck yourself and stop posting about things you have no idea

>>52293224
whats /b?

>>52293239
Not quite true. Humans can lift heavy weapons they just can't fire them. Power armour allows sisters to fire the weapons without shattering their wrist bones from the recoil

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Is there any "reasonable" motivation to turn to chaos? At least as a delusion or fluff-wise.

>>52293026
There was an ork warboss that fucked up khorne daemons well enough that khorne set him and his boyz to fight on his planet for eternity, dying and being revived every day

>>52292442
>her

>>52293285
Nope its pure insanity.

>>52293285
No. Chaos marines are all basement dwelling losers.

>>52293311
Which means yes.

>>52293302
Fair point. I'll give you that bit then.

>>52293277
There are imperial guardsmen that carry heavy bolters and fire them on the go.

>>52293358
well yeah but they are men

>>52293322
I suppose yes, insanity would be a reasonable reason for turning evil

>>52293135
You scared the living shit out of me anon!

It's not like I'd mistrust an anon, nor would I expect Avast to actually find something but whenever I download a file from an uncertain source I always run a manual check, just for the fun of it.
>Avast is not running
>fuck.jpg
>Trying to boot Avast
>Not starting
>FUCK.jpg

Appearently Avast figured it'd download a new version a while back without telling me so it hasn't really been working for who know how long

Tyvm for the Dunecrawler tho, well worth the short panic attack

>>52293285
Yes. Survival, revenge, caring about what is true, any reason for gaining power.

>>52293358
I've never seen any guardsmen hip firing heavy bolters, they set them up on the ground. Maybe catachans but those guys are clearly above average str

>>52293274
Cancer

>>52293194
That could work too, the key here is that to make Not Female Space Marines TM we need 3 things.

They can appear feminine while being "equal" to Space Marines

That whatever Space McGuffin is used cannot be easy to find or make thus limiting to Sister of battle and not allowing Guard access.

This Mcguffin must not copy preexisting armies.

So given the above, a piece of lost tech that allows for normal people to (at a cost) be integrated into larger battle-suits that are focused on melee combat and flamers would be best.

>>52293358
And they are the exception whereas SoB can normally fire heavy weapons on the move.

>>52292580
Kharn physically wouldn't have been able to kill that Knight titan because unless the head of his axe is about 5 meters wide, all he would have done is leave a piddly gouge in the leg, leaving it pretty much unharmed and well positioned to squish him, or just kick him a bit.

That entire scene made absolutely no sense and was just to wank Kharn fans to make up for having him getting schooled by Abby like a fucking child.

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>>52293393
Yep; Sergeant Harker is a Catachan

Although I think there was a guy like this in Gaunt's Ghosts, but isn't that in-universe fiction?

>>52293194
You mean like a Penitent Engine? Or less S&M?

>>52293451
Last time I checked SoB don't have relentless like Harker does. Not even Space Marines do

>>52293455
That would have been Bragg but I think the rules for non-char heavy weaps in guard units require two models to use it. I'll have a look.

>>52293484
crunch-wise he meant snap-shots i think. Is there any "normal" IG unit that can use heavy weapons? From the hip, i mean.

>>52293455
Nah Gaunt's Ghosts happened, it's Cain's stories that are of dubious validity being the pieced together history after the fact with a lot of the information coming from Cain himself.

So where do Orks stand in 40k in lore?

Where do they rank is a threat?

I read the TT army is trash which is a pity as they seem fun,

>>52292103
>someone saved and used my pic
YES YES I LOVE THAT FEEL

>>52292187
No longer godwyn-diaz pattern as Diaz dont sculpt for them anymore ?

>>52293514
Orks are a huge fucking threat. But not as big as Tyranids because there is so much infighting.

>>52293435
Wouldn't really work, sisters in heavy armour would be on par with marines, so why not just call in marines at that point. If anything they should give sisters some kind of leg augmentations that make them faster than marines/guard. Sisters need to be able to specialize in something that no one else does, otherwise you would just call someone else in

>>52293510
Yeah no, not normal guardsmen.

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>>52293467
I think he means that Penitent engines would need to be split into 2 types space marine sized and sentinel sized. So like this but with more flamers.

Bumping because haven't seen many C&C lately
>>52292271

>>52293503
Old editions had things like sniper teams and thin rectangle base weapon teams. Also Gaunt's Ghosts had their own rules and this guy was able to solo his HBolter.

>>52293435
Well, based on those qualifiers, I would say to actually go for a sort of mid-way Assassin process. Not quite as extensive or rare as the existing 4, but essentially toned-down Callidus in larger numbers.

The mech pilot idea works, but it's hard to get 'feminine' out of that without going pentinent engine style.

Perhaps it could be the discovery of an STC for a machine to link to the pilot in some form, though it only works for intact humans. The system rejects Space marines and Ad Mech cyborgs for their augments, so the Ecclesiarchy snaps them up for their own use for a handful of more elite Order strike forces.

>>52293393
Necromunda had Gangers hauling around Heavy Bolters.

>>52293467
Essentially, a Penitent engine with the idea that the pilot is skilled and should survive afterwards. More armor, better weapons, not constantly causing pain.

>>52293503
Just checked, nope with the heavy weapon team rules it's technically one 2w model with an extra attack. So you can use the traditional two man teams or one realllllllly big guy when you build the model.

>>52293538
That's what i feel he meant. "Normal" Sister can use heavy stuff because of her power armor. "Normal" guardsmen can not. Or something.
I kinda thing that sista should get S3.5, but this goes against quantanised stats and is fucking stupid

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>>52293510
Harker has relentless, it is in the book.

>>52293584
Not grimdark enough.

I'm not even being ironic or sarcastic, that's just. Dumb. The whole point of Sisters is their grim & gothic dark ages religious tone/aesthetic.

>>52293584
The whole point of the penitent engine is that it's a death sentence and the pilot is a criminal. It's a meme piece and shouldn't be compared to anything that's supposed to be practical

>>52293612
Does relentless confer to a whole squad?

>>52293584
I can see the weapons and not pain stuff.
The Penitent Engine is meant to live only as long as the Emperor wills it, though.
They would never get armor.

>>52293607

>"I kinda thing that sista should get S3.5"
>Ork players scream internally

>>52293607
We really should have a d10 system or even d20

>>52293617
>>52293642
>>52293657
Then think of it as a sentinal with extra armor and arms. Or a Dreadnought made for a non-dying pilot.

You're thinking too literally about this.

>>52293559
> but it's hard to get 'feminine' out of that without going pentinent engine style.

Im not saying it is a good idea but the whole Ecclesiarchy no man at arms thing would mean that the mech suit would likely have boob plates.

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So any of you in here got experience with playing Kriegers? I'm looking at getting some bits here and there when I can, but I'd like advice on what to get for the types of army I want. I'm split between the normal siege regiment for mass lasgun fire and heavy artillery letting me just roll shitloads of dice, and the assault regiment for loads of death riders because I love Cavalry. I hear assault regiment is more competitive, but what would you say is necessary as a base for either?

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>>52293393

>>52293374
Cheers and good luck with the 3d printing.

>>52293612
>normal guardsmen
>character
anon, i am sorry i wasn't precise enough. I meant "normal, generic SoB" against "normal, generic guardsmen"

>>52293660
ork player here. Like i care.

>>52293514
>Where do they rank is a threat?
Their only purpose is to keep things interesting before a non-joke enemy arrives. Every ork in the galaxy united to take down the Imperium and they were defeated because pariahs made their heads explode.

>>52293607
Just give sisters rending in melee, call it "coup de grace" and keep them str 3.

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>>52292342
Fucking McNeill knew exactly what he doing pulling that shit.

>>52293584
So a Dreadknight? But with SoB behind rather than on the armour?

>>52293642
>>52293657
>Sisters should have a mech suit
>You mean like a Penitent engine?
>Yes, but with X, Y, and Z
>Baww, but X, Y, and Z go against the point of a Penitent engine!

>>52292913
>In the modern world they're literally the SS
SS didn't execute their own men.
They are modeled after Soviet Polit Commissars. Only the look is SS because it's a killer look for an evil regime.

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>>52292300
How would you make male Sisters of Battle canon ?

>>52293530
Well they could be faster I guess, My point is that this new not marine should be on par with marines in some way except marines should remain at a higher initiative because much of their equipment is better and because they are augmented to be faster than a normal human.

>>52293285
Yes. If you are a normal human in the imperium, your life is really fucked. You slave your ass off on the field/in the manufactorum, bearly have enough money for food, plus there is nothing to do apart from working, praising the Emprah and some more of both. But then, a light in the dark; a guy, who is a bit shady looking and smells weird invites you to a meeting with other people. You say fuck it, why not, might aswell. You go there and there are others like you: poor, downtrodden and tired, you start talking with them, maybe crack a joke or two. Then some person gives you all masks; gasmasks, some leathery masks etc. You see them as strange, but since you cane so far it would be a shame to miss out beacause you won`t wear one. By the time you figure out how to put it on comfortably you can hear some commotion. Someone in robes and a hood is on the scene. And he speaks, but no of the Emperor like you thought he will. He speaks of a God that cares about you, a God that will make the suffering you experience everyday more bearable. You are quite shocked, this is heresy after all! But you stay silent, becasue it sounds so great. As the hooded person finishes talking, you want more! You want to hear about that great God, you want to know what you have to do to get his blessing. You come to the same location another week, thrilled and hoping that you`d get some more information. You listen to the speaker once agian. This becomes routine, you visit the place every week. You catch some sickness, but you arent bothered by it Finally, at the latest meeting, the man reveales what to do. You need to overthrow the tyrans of the Imperium, in the name of Nurgle! You are handed weapons, most people get autoguns, some lasguns. You are lucky, you get a lasgun that you know how to use becasue you took part in training in your workplace. Becasue of that you become the leader of your squad, you teach them the secrets of the humble weapon.
[1/2]

>>52293733
dick plate

>>52293677
Oh, you're saying we should give sisters a practical mech meant for repeated use? I completely agree, call it the "bloody mary" and make it like a proper dreadnought

>>52293718
I wasn't thinking of that size, but sure.

I don't get why people are having such a hard time wrapping their heads around the idea of a Sister's mech without having to compare it to every other one in the game.

>>52293695
>Single guardsmen takes out a genestealer brood
Nids just can't catch a break.

>>52293647
no just him.

>>52293733
Codpiece

>>52292713
Then go Tempestus Scions. Their hellrain brigade will keep you full of bodies, and is affordable with just the SC box.

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>>52293733

>>52293769
Shame. Seems kind of overcosted.

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>>52293695
>genestealers
>Drasquez

Has anyone mistaken you for a man ?

>>52293724
I know that, but nobody actually knows anything about Soviets whereas everyone knows about Nazis, or thinks they do.

Though some comparisons can be drawn.

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>>52293285
If you're an edgelord. Otherwise you give up a hard but relatively secure life in the Imperium for a harder life of complete soul-sucking slavery in the name of a group of deities who fluctuate between varying levels of retardation and genuine evil, who will gladly torture you for their own amusement thinking it's their "gift" to you while also expecting you to go out and die in their name for their goals, and if you fail your duties or try to escape they kill you. Lore-wise Chaos only gathers followers from deception, manipulation, or physical energy corruption that their bigger baddies give off. The Chaos Gods themselves are very weak without followers (some say that they would outright die if they had no followers left) and as such they will happily promise you anything you want and put on a friendly face until you join them, afterwhich you're bound in service until you die and you realize everything they told you was a lie and they only care about a select few servants and view the rest as mindless fodder or food for their own daemons. If you're a Human, you're cannon fodder. Ork, cannon fodder. Eldar, tortured then cannon fodder. If you're a Space Marine, slightly cushier cannon fodder.

>>52293737
I see what you're saying but from a military perspective that wouldn't make sense, they would just send in more actual marines. Sisters need to have their own niche, right now it's meltas and flamers, so let's work with that. Give sisters a melta cannon that works like a vindicator but has the melta rule, or a large blast incendiary cannon that ignores cover. Give them a veteran unit that moves trough cover or can run 2d6 to show the speed difference. Or give all sisters 6+ cover in the open to show their agility and smaller size

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>>52293789
No, has anyone ever mistaken YOU for a man?

>>52293782
Thanks! Went straight past those guys somehow.

>>52293701
See
>>52293695

>>52293847
is that crixus before he started his cycle?

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Daily update on the Tyranid fandex, which I'll probably keep doing in the general threads until I'm done because it's not enough to warrant its own thread right now.

Was looking to release the playtest beta codex tonight, but stuff has come up and also my sleep schedule is totally fucked right now.

It's close enough to being done that I should really have it by Friday though. Worst case scenario I'll put out an incomplete one so people can get started fucking around with some builds even if it doesn't have every little option or fluff description, and I can implement feedback as I continue to complete/polish it.

Drop me a line at the email if you want a copy, and I'll make a thread for it too when it goes up.

>>52293749
Guardsmen have it worse. It'd hard to find a piece of fiction where Guardsmen aren't taking lopsided casualties under incompetent leaders.

>not to mention the retarded new lore developments fucking over the imperium to prep everyone for the Age of the Emperor expandalone

>>52293857
A bunch of characters? They are exceptions and just prove that SoB in power armor are as strong as exceptional guardsmen and stronger than your average guard in flak armor.

>>52293857
thanks, is soldier shooting autocannon without bipod something rare? Because it seems like this from that.

>>52293833
Give the canoness eternal warrior or fnp to show the power of her faith as a shield. There's lots of fluffy things we could do that wouldn't break the game like eldar ffs, battle focus was meant to show off their maneuverability

>>52293510
>crunch-wise he meant snap-shots i think
guard can snap-fire heavy weapons too, though

>>52293788
it is because he forbids the squad from using the grenadiers upgrade so he only can have a 5+ armor save.

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>>52293847

>>52293929
>battle focus was meant to show off their maneuverability
And never sees use because the real problem lists are nothing but jetbikes and Wraith.

>>52293937
so same as sisters

>>52293886
Sorry I thought I included the email in that post. I really need to sleep.

[email protected]

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>>52292276
Make a vox equipped unit able to give and receive orders from/to other vox equipped units at unlimited range.

As fucking *hilarious* it is that according to the Astra Militarum fluff, officers do actually ignore their vox systems and give orders by just yelling and waving at nearby platoons, it's also retarded and makes it extremely difficult to do anything except gunline guard without losing there orders which are factored into every unit's points cost.

Give Scions infiltrate back and bump their leadership by 1 so there's a reason to take them over veterans.

Let sergeants all take their unit's longarm rather than a useless pistol like it's the fucking early 20th century.

Also, adopt the customisation options that 30k Imperial Militias have too. Wouldn't fix anything crunch wise but it'd improve the faction no end and make it a favourite for people who like to convert their armies heavily.

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>>52293943

>>52293967
It costs one point to give seargeants a +1 strength version of their unit's longarm. Just do that.

Agree on the rest

>>52292300
Say Cawl did it for the Ultramarines to increase their recruiting capabilities, other chapters adopt it on an ad hoc basis.

Make sure to have shit in the nu-fluff about various groups of marines going rogue and establishing their own breeding populations, lording it over/exterminating human populations to create 'superior' societies, since that's the reason the Emprah didn't do it in the first place.

Do you think all the factions of 40k would be alright with settling their differences over a more violent version of football?

>>52294005
More for fluff/muh autism than anything.

>>52293739
Your team even get a heavy stubber, an useful additon, the shooter even knows how to use it. You can finally raise agianst the opressors, you will get the Nurgle`s grace! The demagouge informs the group that they arent the only ones that will fight, there are others like us, althought some of them fight for diffrent Gods, but let it not bother you, you have a mutual enemy after all. You march to the streets, killing aynone that rejects the blessing of the Father. The few PDF forces that are loyal fall quickly, as one of the cults also devoted to Nurgle a fair share of guardsmen and with that, heavy support. But the misguided Space Marines and the Sisters of Battle are dispatched. Even though they are known to be fearsome, you have the numbers, oh so many numbers, Many of your man die, but you hold the place that you were guarding, a destroyed Imperial cathedra, now desecrated in the name of the Gods. You were aided by the nurgle guardsmen and ex-gangers, now fighting for a God of blood. You dont understand why would they fight for someone like that when your lord Nurgle offers kinship and life free of suffering, but you respect thier fighting prowess. After long fights you are victorious, with help of daemons. You saw your lord`s messengers, and they arent like you imagined them. They were bloated like corpses, and surrounded by flies. You could feel pestilence in them, but they dont seem bothered by it, nor by wounds from all the weapons that the enemy shoots at them.But you won, the planet is yours and you are bestowed the blessing of your Lord, by a chalice passed to you to the man who invited you to the meetings. As you drink, you feel pain in your body, the pure agony as you rot from inside out. You dont understand, Nurgle was supposed to free you from it. After all the suffering you`ve endured, you thought you`d die. But you live.Even though you are a nothing more then a shambling corpse. And now you serve you Lord forever, free from pain.

>>52294064
well that was a lot longer then I thought it will and unecessary. I kinda regret writing it because noone is gonna even bother to read it,

>>52294005
>>52294039
Yeah. It does seem kind of silly that a Seargeant can get a Boltgun if he wants, but can't just swap for a Lasgun

>>52294083
Pro tip, good formatting instead of blocky literal walls of text and more people will read it.

>>52293954
Eldar are op on all fronts. Waac vs waac they have jet bikes and wraith, casual vs casual they have battle focus and bladestorm. Just because a casual eldar list gets shit in by a waac list doesn't mean a casual eldar list isn't better than most other casual lists

>>52294111
I was on a writing spree, and I actually forgot about that kek. Guess I`ll keep that in mind for the next time. Nice trips btw.

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>>52293982

Deport them all.

CITIZENS OF 40KG

GIVE ME YOUR BEST FUCKING TYRANID BUFFS

AND I MEAN BEST FUCKING """"BUFFS"""""

>>52294144
give back carnifex his options and make him a little cheaper.

>>52294037
Nah, chaos are super dick heads that do fucked up shit to innocent people

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>>52294064
>>52293739

tl;dr massive daddy issues.

Don't do Chaos kids, it's not 'cool'.

>>52292622
>doing it wrong
>no fem spess mahreens
I think they're doing it right anon.

>>52294162
Renegade is a-ok tho

>>52294144
make carnifex more expensive

>>52294162
idk famalam, working your ass off for the Imperium is also pretty shit.

>>52294144
Represent Tyranoforming in the crunch.

All non-Tyranid units count the whole tabletop as dangerous terrain.

>>52294144
Hive tyrant gets 3+ invulnerable and ap 2 claws. All monstrous creatures get ap 2-3 claws

>>52294144
The coolest one would be to let Synapse Creatures Look Out Sir wounds to any units within a certain range.

Gives you a reason to look at blobs again because they become ablative wounds for your big things.

Also Hive Tyrants should have an invulnerable.

>>52294144
I just use the /tg/ edition on 1d4 chan personally. My favorite is getting a Carnifex with 2+ armor, +1 toughness, and -1 Strength against enemy shooting. Immune to bolters, and nigh-immune in close combat. Now that's a living tank.

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>>52294180
shit ideas

>>52294170
best idea

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>>52294168
Loyalty to the Throne or nothing.

>>52294175
>All monstrous creatures get AP 2-3

They have Smash, they're all AP2 you mongoloid

>>52294175
>AP 2 claws on MCs

You mean like the AP 2 they get for being MCs?

>>52294176
I'm actually going to snip this one and suggest it the next time I play against tyrranids.

>>52293960
yep

Only actual difference is power armored units don't need a separate trooper to carry their extra ammunition/act as a spotter.

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This thread shall now be tainted by Chaos. There is no escaping it.

Only chaosposting is allowed. For the Dark Gods.

>>52294176
>>52294205
That could probably work out quite well. It would help keep MCs survivable without needing to weirdly join them to units.

I would say to stick with a 6" range there, since 12" would be kind of crazy.

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>>52294173
>Not wanting to do your part to ensure the survival of your species and repay the Emperor for the unending sacrifice He makes to protect his people.

Sounds like heresy to me.

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The Emperor is dead.

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>>52294173

All this Sister talk wanting them to be something else than bondage Battle nuns

Why do you have such shit taste?

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>>52294218
Nurgle for the win.


>>52294243
Loyalists get out reeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

on a serious note, I`d rather go pillage some and free a life with an aura of kinship then whatever you loyals get.

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>>52294218
The Saint will preserve us.

She will allow loyal servants to continue to shitpost under the God-Emperor's protection.

Chaos has nothing to offer than can equal dose hips

>>52294270
We should rename them to Sluts of Battle.

>>52294260
I have to command this guardsman. He`s a real trooper.

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>>52294266

Fuck the Custodes.

Chaos lives matter.

>>52294260
He's been dead for ten thousand years, and it's taken you this long to even get a foothold outside of the wretched hole you call a home. Perhaps in twenty or thirty thousand years you'll reach Terra and then we can talk.

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>>52294275
>whatever you loyals get.

An afterlife that isn't eternal torment by an interdimensional lolsoedgy neet?

>>52294236
For non-synapse creatures I'd think they should either just get tankier or get to benefit if they're in synapse.

the baseline for TMCs should be S7T7, with the ability to pick up an invulnerable.

Synapse should also give either FNP or Eternal Warrior, leaning towards FNP considering how it literally has them charge forward ignoring wounds in the fluff.

>>52292276
Command squads can issue two orders, Scion Sgts can issue (slightly crappy but still) orders to their own squad.
Also bring back specialis missions dammit.

>>52294144
Swarmlord's Synapse grants Eternal Warrior
Synapse creatures can discard one warp charge to gain 5++ for a game turn.
Mawloc can now escort units from reserve when he first arrives, so if he tunnels out he also brings another unit out of his tunnel.
Trygon Prime are Gargantuan Creatures again.
Remove Feed from Instinctive Behaviour, replace it "The unit must move back into Synapse range and forgo any other action"

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>>52294300
>Custodes

>>52294316
I`d rather sit in the Garden then just go to the Warp forever, thank you very much.

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>>52294300
>Custodes

Chaosfags everyone. Point and laugh.

failure to point and laugh will be considered advocacy of his heresy and punished accordingly

>>52294320
I would personally settle for just being able to upgrade toughness and buy Feel No Pain for various units.

I'd prefer Synapse stick with bonuses to leadership or coordination rather than just flat toughness. Giving them Adamantium Will or Crusader would be more fitting in my opinion.

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>>52294191
Smash only gives them ap 2 on their one smash attack no? They should have ap 2 with all of their attacks