EDH/Commander General /edhg/

POST 'EM

>>52285965
i still carry around my decks in a shitty scars of mirrodin fatpack box held together with duct tape and free political bumper stickers i stole from the college cafe

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I double sleeved a deck and will never do it again. 100 single sleeved is perfect for shuffling and double just makes it clumsy.

I use pic related for my Squee deck because it's the deck with all my money cards. The rest just go into one of those deckbuilder's toolbox boxes. The fat packs are fucking awful for deck storage. The top always catches on shit.

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>>52286036
i should really get a new box for my cards

>>52286067
Nah you're fine.

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>>52285924
>What accessories do you use/swear by/avoid at all costs when you're looking to suit up your deck?
I typically double sleeve my decks because I play with some people who are very careless with their food and drinks at the table. It's not really necessary if people aren't eating/drinking at the table, but considering the deck lists I've seen posted around /edhg/ an additional $20 isn't going to make or break your fucking bank account when you whop out a $900+ deck on the table.

Anyways, if you're going to double sleeve, I've found older KMC Perfect Size sleeves to work the best. Newer Ultra Pro Pro-Fit aren't bad either. The only problem with this is that KMC got bought up by some chingchongs who don't give a shit about quality anymore so good luck finding ones that were manufactured before the acquisition.

I use Dragon Shield for outers. Always have. The new ones are fine too.

>>52286041
I double sleeve everything, all of my EDH, modern, and legacy decks as well as my entire cube and a ton of cards just laying around.

KMC perfect fit inside, dragon shield mattes outside.
As for boxes: satin towers and monoliths are the best.

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Post cards you always run and new players never expect.

>>52286041
>brags about money cards
>refuses to double sleeve
enjoy you're ruined cards, fag

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>>52286108

>>52286111
>so poor that he thinks mentioning good cards is bragging

>>52286121

That sounds like suicide in many decks, why would you?

Also what happens when you run out of those 3 spells?

>>52286281
takes the top 3 from every player. when a spell is cast, the player who cast it picks a card from the pile and casts that instead of their own spell, then adds the card that got replaced to the pile.

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If you play Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and cast Curiosity on it you win the game?

>>52286312
you get to deal an amount of damage equal to the number of cards you can draw without drawing out, which is pretty sweet

>>52286303

Now that I think about it, you can prevent them from casting their commander this way, but still they can cast something super powerful and kill you

>>52286317
knowledge pool specifies "from your hand" unfortunately, but i like the card because it forces everyone at the table to think hard about what they're doing. it really makes games more interesting when the monogreen player can pull out a counterspell from the pile to stop the monoblue player from dropping an avenger of zendikar.

>>52286317
also worth noting, teferi + knowledge pool is a really unfair thing to do to your opponents

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>>52286041
>Hands are too shitty and small to shuffle double sleeved decks
>Want to use waifu sleeves but only with character guards because sleeve quality sucks

>>52286121
Nice. That's going to be deliciously spicy tech in my Jori En deck.

>>52286090
For the life of me I can't double sleeve with dragon shields. The top of the perfect fit always slides off a bit right when it's fully in.

>>52286427

Post list! I love Jori En I need a deck with her as the commander

>>52286432
I had to slide my finger down inside the dragon shields and push the card down to the bottom to fix this. You just have to be careful not to stretch out the outer sleeve.

>>52286041
I used to single sleeve. Several of my once-valuable cards are ruined because dirt gets in the top, then the sleeve presses it into the card.

>>52286108
>this is now an old card
Jesus.

>>52286544
I know but I love riffle shuffling and it just feels good to be able to manhandle your cards. I want to build a worthless deck sometime just so I can shuffle naked cards. It would probably trigger my opponents, as well.

>>52286559
>riffle shuffling
Oh, you just don't care about your cards at all.

>>52286573

Well how the fuck do you shuffle then? Are you one of those nerds with a shuffling machine or something?

>>52286581
You mash shuffle them slowly, double sleeves make it really easy.

AMONKHET SPOILERS WHEN

Brewing Riku with Clones.

Is running Threaten effects saccing/doublelegendarysaccing any good at all?

>>52286685
Clones in general aren't good so just do what you want.

>>52286741
>Clones in general aren't good

What the...

>>52286559
Pauper EDH is the best for naked cards. I have a bunch of decks that I just don't care about, and its very freeing to be rough and tumble.

>>52286067
No you shouldn't, that thing has gone a full 180 from piece of shit to cool.

>>52286067

You should really get a new redpill because your political thinking is cucked and Soros controlled as fuck

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I have a Lovisa warrior tribal deck and there is literally not a single card I want from the new duel decks.

>>52286840
They're just stickers he took from some college thing, I doubt he's making a sincere political statement.

he better not be

>>52286871

Bullshit, he's playing Teferi as his commander

>>52286853
I don't doubt it. Got a decklist?

>>52286888
I'm afraid not.

>>52286853
>brew Jhoira since the announcement
>oh boy I can't wait to get reprints of all the time counter shenanigans
>not a single one
>not even Jhoira's Timebug
>instead we get some kind of generic spellslinger garbage with storm, arcane and suspend spells that already begin with less than 4 time counters

Wizards couldn't disappoint me more if they tried

>>52286480
The friction on the side of the perfect fits going into the sleeves still pushes it up slightly though, no matter how hard I try. But dragon shield has perfect fits as well now so I'll try again with those.

>>52286090
what about shuffle-tech?

>>52286432
>>52286480
>>52287102
Here's a common technique to fix any issues with double sleeving: https://youtu.be/mhZqSKABjGQ?t=77

>>52286943
>>52286853
On the other hand Rift Bolt, Snap, Beacon of Tomorrows and Coat of Arms are all cards that are way more expensive than they need to be.

Finally polished up my deck a bit http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-hydras-3/ any suggestions

>>52285924
I use the ultra pro towers, dragon shield mattes.

I avoid KMC/UP/and regular Dragon shield Sleeves. They are the worst. I wish the mattes came in more colors.

I also think the chessex ppound of dice on amazon is 100% essential for any edh play group. Always enough dice for everyone.


DOUBLE SLEEVING IS FOR THE BIRDS

>>52287290

I like it, is it expensive?

So how do you produce a ton of mana for the X spell?
Why don't you run mana rocks like thran dynamo? Also there's a red green commander that adds 4 mana and you can cast spells with X in their cost with it.

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>>52287203
>Finally able to double sleeve the expensive cards in my Oldzilek deck
>Don't have to get a heart attack when playing near liquids
Holy shit where can I sign up to suck your dick you queer?

>>52287341
>expensive?
for edh, no
>mana for the X spell?
land tutors, enchants

>>52286788
They are usually inefficient unless they cost two Mana, can copy artifacts for 3 or anything for 4

Though i like stunt double in child of Alara because instant speed destroy all non lands

>>52287861
I dunno man
>forcing the Nekusar on the table to take mill pain
>Copying blazing archon so the full pillow fort can't come down on you

>>52286788
They don't do anything.

>>52287998
They give you a version of the strongest thing on the table.

They used to be better before the legend rule change though.

>>52288038

THIS, I started playing EDH after the legend rule change, but I imagine the meta before would've been soooooo much different

>>52287942
I'm not saying they are bad just usually over costed and one less threat in your deck.

>>52288110

If I cast a Clone copying a Prossh, do I get four tokens?

>Goblin Guide
The Fuck even is this? I cracked one and it seems like some niche fuckery.

>>52288166
It's modern "staple" for some reason

>>52288144
it's not etb as prossh, so no

>>52288038
Cards are powerful because of synergy.

>>52288166
>>52288183
RDW staple

>>52285924
>What accessories do you use/swear by/avoid at all costs when you're looking to suit up your deck?

Dragon Shield Matte Blacks, KMC Perfect Sizes, no exceptions. I carry my decks themselves in regular oversized plastic deckboxes, in a PirateLabs case. If I'm only bringing one deck, I use a Satin Tower.

>>52288196
Wrong. Don't give advice if you don't know how to play the game.

>>52288183
But why? Lantern control ya sure whatever, but really, how often are you going to swing with a 2/2 that has a bullshit effect?

>>52288214
>random letters
Yup sure anon, but why?

>>52288144
Clone isn't Prossh on the stack. It only turns into it as it enters, as replacement effect. Prossh has a cast trigger.

>>52288217
Go look it up, you're casting the clone, not Prossh

>>52288237
But it does enter as Prossh.

>>52288245
okay, so I misworded my original, however Prossh triggers on cast, so no kobolds

>>52288204
Sure, but copying a blazing archon, an ashen rider, an eldrazi titan or anything like it for 2-4 mana is still a strong play.

>>52288217
/tg/ being bad at mtg again. RTFC, retard.

>>52288223
RDW - Red Deck Wins. Gives no shits about CA, only cares about tempo. Essentially, it's the modern-era inheritor of Sligh or to a lesser extent 10-land Stompy. It runs Goblin Guide because it's a 2/2 haste for 1 mana, and gives no shits about randomly smoothing the mana of its opponent, since the goal is they'll be dead soon anyway.

RDW is basically *the* aggro poster child. If you're used to EDH, you can easily forget that with one opponent and 20 life, that's a thing.

>>52288223
Goblin guide is a staple in naya burn. A 1 mana hasted 2/2 that best case gives you info about your opponent's next draw and worst case ramps him is pretty damn good.

>>52288261
That's accurate, but the way you worded it implied that you wouldn't get a normal ETB trigger either, which you totally would.

>>52288283
He literally said "You're casting the Clone, not Prossh", and Prossh has an on-cast trigger. Nothing about his statement is wrong.

Anyone else wish myr were better to run as tribal? I like their art so much more than slivers but slivers have the symbiosis thing nailed to a T.

>>52288272
The Clone enters as Prossh, ask any lawyer.

>>52288196
>it's not etb as prossh
>>52288290
>He literally said "You're casting the Clone, not Prossh"
yeah that's not the same thing.

Mono red, you gotta play blood moon right?

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>>52288272
>Correcting people when you're wrong
It enters AS what it's copying, this means that it will get any ETB effect of the target. Cast triggers not though.

>>52288297
See >>52288237

>>52288274
I still play it in EDH for hilarities sake. It has actually won me more games than some other decks, mostly due to simple wincons and hasted commander damage

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>>52288310
>Lol you're wrong if you were replying to this post that you weren't replying to idiot XD

>>52288290
He literally said "it's not etb as prossh, so no" which is wrong.

Learn the fucking game /tg/. Clones even literally say "enter the battlefield as a copy."

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>completely derail edhg for a few minutes by miswording what happens when you clone prossh

>>52288343
Come over here and I'll give you something to keep that stupid mouth occupied.

what's the cheapest deckbox I can buy that will still hold my sleeved cards snugly

>>52288355
Legion or UltraPro depending on the shop.

>>52288355
I'm pretty sure UltraPro has some cheap Commander deckboxes for like, 5 bucks that should hold 100 cards double-sleeved. I'd recommend springing a bit more for a Satin Tower, though.

>>52288293
well I mean kaladesh just dropped, you could do like some artifact-creature tribal instead

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>>52288144
Dude is it really this hard to read the cards?

>>52288355
I like the dragon shield slide boxes.

>>52288282
>ramps
?

>>52288368
Kaladesh came out half a year ago.

>>52288298
Yes

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>>52288391
I made a mistake desu.

>>52288400
Has it been that long? Regardless both it and Aether revolt could do the trick

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>>52288422
that's twice in the past 30 minutes someone didn't understand the concept of mana ramping

How does one abuse this? It's pretty much a repeatable craterhoof effect.

>>52288441
I just misspoke, I know the difference between ramp and fixing desu.

>>52288311
I know that feeling. I play krenko goblins, and there's something wonderful about playing such a pure aggro card in edh.

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>>52288445

>>52288445
Pathbreaker Ibex?

Multani baby.

>>52288445
>>52288456
The way you usually abuse overrun type effects?

Loads of tokens, pump 'em, swing, profit?

>>52288456
Paradox engine XD XD XD

>>52288274
I have an embarrassing story.

>started with EDH
>literally only know how to evaluate and build decks relative to EDH
>that horrible feeling when I'll never be able to play another format because I don't understand how multiple copies of cards fit into a deck
>I will never know the simple joy of smacking a single other player to death over the course of a few turns

>>52288496
>I will never know the simple joy of smacking a single other player to death over the course of a few turns
Combos exist for that meng

>>52288496
I just started playing STD again, the last time was Abzan control, and I forgot how constant standard decks are. I picked up G/B energy and was rolling people really fast. 20 life is not a lot at all.

>>52288496
>I am literally incapable of learning new things

>>52288496
This is why I play legacy and EDH.

>>52288510
>combos
Yes, but combos aren't jund-midrange aggro, or infect, or any of the other fun decks I've heard about. I just want to tap creatures and win before people can pull off their fancy nonsense.

>>52288527
Speaking of that, I'm in the process of building a legacy reanimator deck. I think it's the RB budget one? Either way, in about a month I'll have the full list completed and I'll see if I'm not a complete potato.

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if someone were to get a judge reward riku for $8, would that be a good deal?

How is he as a commander?

>>52288544
I use Miracles and Lands.
Miracles is fucking cool but the fun is kinda mitigated by seeing it everywhere.
Lands is still really cool though, also pretty cheap.

>>52288566
good commander, no idea on the price

>>52288566
It's an okay deal. Starcity has him at 13, which means he's probably a 10 dollar card.

>>52288566
RUG Goodstuff. It's boring.

$8 is a good deal.

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>>52288571
>Lands
>pretty cheap
It's the same cost as BUG at over $3k, making it tied for most expensive deck outside of Vintage.

>>52288619
There are multiple variations people call lands. Marit lage lands can be bought for 100-300 if you skimp on duals and fetches, which can still be pretty flexible if you run 4 lotus petals, elvish spirit guides and the less than two lands.

>>52288571
>4 Grove of the Burnwillows
>4 Rishadan Port
>4 Mox Diamond
>4 Dark Depths
>Tabernacle
>"Cheap"
That's literally 2000+ dollars tied up in just over 1/4th of the deck.

>>52288630
If your "lands" deck costs 100 dollars, you're not playing Lands. You're playing a shitty deck that you're CALLING Lands.

It'd be like building "Miracles" with shocklands instead of duals, Crystal Ball instead of Top, and Cancel instead of Counterbalance. Or like building BUG Delver without any Shardless Agents, Leovolds, Tarmogoyfs, or Forces.

>>52288646
Should have been more specific by saying DD lands. You don't need tavernacle, grove, mox or port for that. The most expensive stuff is DD and thoughtseizes.

>>52288665
>He doesn't know about uberdiscard maritocracy

>>52288678
>"Lands" with no grove, tabernacle, Mox, or Port
So, a shitty deck. Cool.

>>52288630
Lands already runs Dark Depths as its new-age wincon of choice and yeah if you cut basically half the list I imagine it would be pretty budget.

>>52288678
That's not a deck, please stop.

At least us manaless guys know our place in the world.

>>52288694
>He doesn't know about combo dark depths
That anon is a retard for calling it lands, but it is a strong deck with a relatively low price.

>>52288715
>combo Dark Depths
If you mean Dark Depths + Thespian's Stage, that's already a win-con in the real version of Lands.

>>52288715
If you're trying to refer to Turbo Depths which almost never makes top8s, it's still almost a grand.

However Turbo Depths in Vintage is a really good deck.

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>>52288723
>>52288712
>Turbo depths is not a deck

>>52288750
Skip out on duals and a few other things and you'll be golden.

>>52288571
>>52288619
>>52288630
Alright, wise anons. I can spend about $1000 on a deck. I may have singleton staples, like an Elesh Norn here, a Demonic Tutor there, but I don't have any playsets of anything. I haven't really put any money into the reanimator deck because I've been saving up, and I was planning on purchasing it all at once.

Really, all I want to do is play efficiently and hit people really hard. My favorite commander decks are Ghave combo and Lazav discard/reanimator, but I'm pretty familiar with Brago artifact flickerstax and Uril enchantress as well.

>>52288758
Show me where Turbo Depths has top-8ed anything in the past 6 months.

>>52288759
If you wanna play efficiently and hit people hard, I'd say invest in the duals for BUG Delver, and work towards buying/trading for the rest.

why is edh general legacy general now? fuck off

>>52288768
Who even cares, it's 1 percent of the meta, in most lgs's that's just fine.

>>52288758
>I play Lands
>there are multiple variations of Lands
>I play Marit Lage Lands
>j-just kidding it's Turbo Depths, but with 2/3 of the deck missing
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.

>>52288759
Dredge, Eldrazi, Burn and Reanimator will be the best decks you can build in that range. You could also build manaless and have the same matchups as Dredge and Reanimator but for $300 and save the rest for whatever, like modern.

>>52288823
>its 1 percent of the meta
Another way of saying "it's a shitty deck".

>>52288864
>Duals and fetches are 2/3's of the deck

>>52288768
Suck my cock:
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/scg-legacy-iq-bristol-2017-03-05#online

>>52288884
>M-my deck is just as good with shocklands and panoramas, right guys?

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>>52288897
>Store-level event

>>52288864
>manaless
Well, do you have a list? I just want to play legacy at my store on a relatively quick pace, and I literally have $300 right now that I could spend.

Keep in mind, I'm going to be mentally handicapped when it comes to "sideboards" or the number of copies of a card I should run. I get the theory behind it, to substitute certain things against unfavorable matchups, but in practice I know I'm going to be a complete potato.

>>52288884
Yeah you're right who needs fetches and duals, we should all just run basics that way we don't have to pay life.

>>52288449
Someone should fix you

>>52288903
>What are fast-lands
>being a retard who doesn't know that having smooth land drops is less important in turbo depths due to often using your land drop to play specific lands like dark depths or thespian's stage

>>52288692
Post dick

>>52288957
>What are fast-lands
Really shitty budget alternatives that guarantee you an 0-3 drop in any Legacy event where nobody else has kneecapped themselves with a 20 dollar budget?

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>When 1 retarded troll turns the thread into the worst legacy general I've ever seen

>>52288925
It is the most braindead deck on the planet but it tilts fuckers so hard.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=13377&d=278432&f=LE

My list is like this but I main Elesh Norn because I can. Note that the entire thing is under $200 on tcgplayer right now.

>>52288980
Nah the regular legacy general is all tripfag circlejerking and has been for months, this is tame.

>>52288974
>>52288974
>Shitty
>In a deck where the goal is literally to sacrifice lands to get creatures
Jesus Christ learn the deck before talking out of your ass.

>>52288997
Better than 99% of tripfag circlejerks, but yeah.

>>52289003
Land. Singular. You sacrifice Dark Depths to get a 20/20.

>>52289003
Just shut the fuck up, no one cares about your ultra-budget unplayable casual jank. You're ruining this thread.

Or just keep telling us how you've never played against a deck with Wasteland in it and how great your fastlands are.

>>52288981
Neat, I actually have a lot of that stuff lying around. Thanks anon, I'm going to try and buy that deck today! Anything I should look out for? I guess the general point is to mill myself into ichord/narcomoeba/nether shadow/bridge from below, until I can flashback dread return and then pull flame kin zealot/golgari grave troll and oneshot someone in the first few turns?

>>52288981
It must be my edh senses tingling but part of me wonders, with full Street Wraith and Spy to just fucking dump your library, why the deck wouldn't run Lab Man.

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Does this belong in my enchantment/lockdown Sisay deck? It looks great, but is it good enough for a slot?

>>52289071
Balustrade Spy mills the whole deck and allows a kill that turn. It's not necessary and the deck can still win a war of attrition so don't run your boardstate into a countered Dread Return unless you have to.

You fold completely to hate, Therapy and Chancellor are your only real protection so don't die.

>>52289125
Eh, I don't think so. It's really neat to do a one-sided artifact wipe, but it's got the O-Ring danger that if they draw a Disenchant effect they get all their shit back.

>>52289121
A resolved Spy wins the game anyways. Lab Man is asking to eat Swords and cost you the game, not to mention you would need a Street Wraith or Probe in hand to do it and those should already be in the yard.

>>52289129
Well, shit. I didn't realize that. You said you mainboard Elesh Norn, how many copies? I have one of those kicking around, and I'm more than happy to put down some extra money if it makes things more consistent.

Does this deck win often? I don't expect to go 3-0, but maybe a win or two a match would be nice.

>>52289196
Just one copy.

It can really put a nail in certain decks but it's pretty meta dependant.

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Anyone have a discord up for edhg? ill make one if not

posting em

>>52289052
>Thespian's stage
>>52289056
>Not of this world
>Pithing needle

>>52289298
Okay, so tell me again how your shitty dual lands further your goal of sacrificing DIFFERENT LANDS.

>>52289298
>Not of This World
>To stop them from Wastelanding your Dark Depths

>>52289305
>Have 3 lands
>1 of them DD
>vampire hexmage, then play an untapped fastland
You can do something like that with thespian's stage too.

Also, the deck runs 4 ofs of lotus petal and elvish spirit guide, the manabase is a lot more resistant to "budgeting" than most other decks. Not to mention the crop rotations, into the north etc.

>>52289305
>unable to read

>>52289340
>get Wastelanded
>lose the game
Nice budget deck anon.

>>52289315
I think it's Needle that stops Wasteland

Also since fucking when this is Legacy General? Talk some EDH to me. Spicy leftfield stuff for Dralnu?

>>52289519
anything to make sure a blasphemous act doesn't knock you out of the game

>>52289519
Koskun falls and propaganda.

That being said, I bet fatal push, innocent blood, and tragic slip could be pretty good.

>>52289532
Reins of Power, Magebane Armor, Snapback for bounce when tapped out and counters in general, I got those. Am I missing something?

>>52289570
Riptide Laboratory is an option too.

>>52289519
I played some Dralnu online a while ago, double Time Walking opponent with Turnabout and flashback Turnabout while digging for Doomsday was pretty great.

>>52289519
I'm honestly thinking of making a hard-control Dralnu deck as my next one.

>>52288981
how the fuck does this deck works?

>>52289775
Mill self via Dredge+Phantasmagorian or nuking your entire graveyard via Balustrade. Get a bunch of zombies via Bridge, sac your Narcomebas/Prized Amalgams/Ichorids/Nether Shadows to flash back Dread Return to get Flame-Kin Zealot and swing out.

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>>52288456
Stuff like this would be a good start.

>>52289807
It also probably wins the prize for "potential dullest t1 ever" on the play, though it's more likely to Probe and/or Street Wraith to start that GY filling.

>>52289372
>oh no I lost 1 dark depths whatever shall I do, it's not like I can sideboard in 4 pithing needles or just crop rotation, into the north or expedition map into another one

Man, I wish people posted this much in the actual legacy thread, them maybe we wouldn't have to keep bumping it.

>>52290201
I more meant having your only colored source destroyed because you couldn't fetch a basic and being stuck unable to cast shit but it's obvious you don't actually play Legacy.

>>52290371
>Suddenly it's the only coloured source of mana I have
Okay

>>52290480
Right your budget combo deck hopes to assemble 3GBB by turn 2 through Wasteland to cast your combo pieces, of course.

>>52288566
He is a fantastic commander and opens up a lot of playstyles.

I play him in a spell slinging deck, while my SO plays him in a creature heavy ETB deck.

>>52290539
>3GBB
What the fuck are you talking about. Just recently I had a hand of:
>vampire hexmage, urborg, dark depths
Why in god's name would I need 3gbb?

>>52286586
>Mash shuffle
So you do not shuffle your cards

>>52290613
What did he mean by this

>>52290593
>I recently goldfished on xmage a hand that happened to contain two of my combo pieces in it
That's great anon, can't wait for Kari Zev's Emrakul to break Vintage.

>>52290634
I'll repeat, when would I ever need 3ggb?

>>52290714
BB for Hexmage, 1G for Into the North, 2 to activate Thespian's Stage, all while running a land that doesn't tap for mana on its own.

And let's not forget the budget duals in fucking Legacy.

>>52290613
>Shuffling is not shuffling
Enjoy unnecessarily damaging your cards by riffle shuffling them

>>52290766
>Thespian's stage and hexmage
>No chance of drawing into an urborg or DD

Looking at the worst case scenario for a deck is useless.

>>52289290
https://discord.gg/HT3wz

>>52290849
Cool, so when they Wasteland your Urborg on turn 1 what do you do? Or is that where you also started with 4 Pithing Needles and 10 Meddling Mages on board?

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What are some good durdly cards available for monored? I only know of this one and Kazuul. I know it's hardly the best color for this thing, but maybe there are more?

>>52291181
Grip of Chaos tends to slow games down. Not in the way you want, though.

>>52291211
Yeah I run Planar Chaos for a similar effect, but I want something specifically to slow down creatures or make them consider attacking somebody else. Instants and sorceries don't cause me too much trouble.

>>52291327
Crawl Space?

>>52291327
>>52291344
That slows down weenie offensive a bit, but still leaves the big guys intact unfortunately.
But holy crap I just answered my own question, completely forgot about Smoke and Mudslide.

>>52291181
Silent arbiter
Kazull
Bearer of the heavens as a rattlesnake?

>>52291395
Also in artifact solutions, getting through to you with combat is going to be kind of hard through Ensnaring Bridge + Crawlspace. Similarly, if it doesn't hose you too badly, you can use Meekstone (and/or Juntu Stakes)

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>>52288183
New thread when?

So can someone tell me if i have this correct. With arcum, i can select my own artifact creatures, and be able to put a non artfact into play yes?

If so, whats a good artifact win con?

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These are my deck boxes. Each hold up to 2 EDH decks. And there is also space for tokens on the lid of the box. Also a small compartment for necessary dices. Made these myself.

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>>52291569

Forgot pic.

Also, any blue spells that jave triggers when artifacts/artifact/permanents creatures leave play?

>>52291569
Non-creature Artifact, yes. Generally Arcum is used as a Pseudo-Tinker, turning your artifact dudes into non-dude Artifacts. It just so happens that you can also use it (though it's risky, mind) to nuke an opponent's dangerous artifact creature.

>>52291591
Neat

>>52291569

Fuck. Also meant artifact, not non artifact*

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>There are people who don't keep their decks in Carbon Fiber sleeves

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>>52286682
I think they're officially supposed to start next week. Could be wrong.

I hope they don't fuck up the Egypt flavor. So far it looks like the afterlife is a theme (Dusk/Dawn, mummies), so I'm optimistic.
As long as I get at least one playable God and one delicious brown queen waifu commander I'll be okay with the set.

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>>52291667
>not keeping your decks in carbon fiber sleeves, stored in a impenetrable humidity and temperature controlled lock box deep underground to avoid any damaging sunlight.

>>52291569
Get three artifact creatures on the field, sac one at the end of the turn before yours to fetch Rings of Brighthearth, then bear witness:
1) Double sacrifice to fetch Basalt Monolith and Planar Portal
2) Acquire infinite mana by using Rings of Brighthearth to copy the "Untap Basalt Monolith" ability (tapping it again before the duplicate resolves)
3) Activate Planar Portal to fetch Voltaic Key
4) Use Rings to copy Voltaic Key's "untap target artifact" ability to target both Planar Portal and itself.
5) Cackle maniacally as you have infinite tutors
6) Call out Darksteel Forge and Mycosynth Lattice to make everything into artifacts, allow yourself to use your infinite generic mana as any color, and to make all your artifacts indestructible.
7) Summon up Nevinyrral's Disk, untap it with your Voltaic Key copy shenanigans, and blow up everything that isn't yours.
8) Search out Myr Turbine, again comboing with Voltaic Key to crank out infinite 1/1 Myr tokens.
9) Search out, cast, shuffle in, search out, and recast Beacon of Tomorrows indefinitely, targeting yourself to acquire infinite turns.
10) Pass to yourself and swing out with four hundred billion 1/1 Myr.

An alternative to steps 6-8 would be to just call up Mycosynth Lattice and Capsize, using your infinite mana to bounce everything that isn't yours to its owner's hand.

>>52286682
>>52291698

April third, as per normal spoiler schedule.

>>52291667
>Carbon Fiber Sleeves

How much would that actually cost?

>>52291569
There's this, for a start: http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217163-arcum-dagsson-tinker-to-victory-1-25-2017

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>>52291722

>>52291706
>Your deck isn't just 99 tablets face down with an auto shuffle feature

>>52286041
t.handlet

>>52291722
I love that the base board for this is "Arcum and 3 artifact creatures" which I want to say should be fairly easily doable with tokens if nothing else Myr sire, Genesis Chamber, Shrine of Loyal Legions, all can help.

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So me and one of my buddies both planned to build Wort the Raidmother independently of each other. He already has his built as a basic mana ramp + token generators and just value spells. Just so we aren't playing the same deck, I decided I'll go the other route with a storm build and some nice fireballs. Give me some spicy tech for Wort Storm. What can I grab with Dragonstorm to just end the game on the spot?

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Any secret tech for this guy? My deck is basically villainous wealth feat tasigur.

>>52291956
Especially if you can drop a bunch of mana dorks on turn one with Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, and/or Mana Vault

>>52292172
Yeah cards that aren't Villainous Wealth.

>>52292172
One of the more recent Command Zone podcast episodes is on exactly this. YMMV with that show in general, but it was Jeremy Noell talking about it and he seems like a generally sharp guy and had some really good suggestions.

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>>52292309
>He doesn't like Evil Genesis Wave

>>52288496

Just play booster draft and cube draft. It's how magic was meant to be played

>>52291722
>crop rotation into glacial chasm

>>52292375
It's funny you say that, because booster draft wasn't even a thing until after the Pro Tour came to exist.

>>52292413
Still an artifact thanks to Mycosynth Lattice, so still gets blown up with Nevinyrral's Disk. Also loses to infinite Capsize.

>>52291962
>Dragonstorm
Yeah, don't think that is feasible without black, and it's sketchy even with it. You're going to need something like Scourge of Valkas with a bunch of dragons, then get Worldgorger Dragon, use a Changeling to champion it, then more champions or devour dragons to do it even more times. With enough mana you might get something out of Hoarding Dragon + a way to kill it, getting who knows what. But yeah, my advice is probably "don't".

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>>52291722
>Search out Myr Turbine, again comboing with Voltaic Key to crank out infinite 1/1 Myr tokens.
*taps a swamp and a mountain* psssh...nothin personnel...kid...

>>52292630
All of your permanent were destroyed in the step before that.

>>52292658
*teleports behind you* i was floating the mana

>>52292696
Mana leaves the pool as phases and turns end.

>>52292719
*cuts both of your arms off from behind then stabs your chest hanging u up* it's over anon u lost

>>52292750
Little did you know that there were actually two of us.

*Reflects Damage*

>>52292798
*it's a hologram*

>>52292505
I'm not trying to make the deck hyper competitive, it's really just for fun. Changeling Titan, Worldgorger and Scourge of Valakut by themselves win the game though, so that's basically all I needed :v

>>52290871
Says it's expired or invalid

>>52292887
Actually scratch that, I'd need a way to bounce it too wouldn't I. Hrmm.

Even a bunch of dragons and Scourge just wins though. 10 dragons makes 10 triggers of 10 damage each, enough to kill at least half the table.

>>52292172
Call Steven green a faggot on camera next time.

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How can I protect slivers from stuff like Merciless Eviction and Devastation Tide besides pic?

>>52293216
This also interest me

>>52293216
Let me Google that for you...

The object with protection cannot be:

Damaged by sources with the specified quality. (All such damage is prevented.)
Enchanted or equipped by permanents with the specified quality.
Blocked by creatures with the specified quality.
Targeted by spells with the specified quality, or by abilities from sources of that quality.

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>>52293216
Ward sliver (protection) does not help against Merciless eviction/devastation tide.

Remember Protection rules (DEBT)

Damaged
Enchanted/equipped
Blocked
Targeted


First thing that comes to mind is eerie interlude, or something similar

>>52293216
Hibernation Sliver to recall your board

Kill them before they get 6 mana

>>52293216
Well, that doesn't stop it either.

Frenetic Sliver can save about half of them.

>>52292935
I didn't think it was possible, but thinking about it again, I do think you can actually combo with Worldgorger Dragon, Changeling Titan and Changeling Berserker (+ etb damage dragon of choice).

The reason I'd advocate against pushing your deck full of dragons is that it's difficult to keep them in the library until you go off.

>>52293286
Alight, thanks. So Ward Sliver does not protect them from bounce spells and exile?

>>52293216
>>52293265
You should learn the rules of magic before posting.
They aren't hard to learn.

>>52286840
>>>/pol/

>>52293377
It ONLY prevents
Blocking
Targeting
Damage
>Bounce
Nope
>Exile
Nope
>But what about path and capsize?!
They target

>>52293377
Protection is very specific.Like I said earlier, remember debt.

If the spell/ability would do any of this, it would be blocked by protection.

Damage
Enchanted/equip
Blocked
Target


Ward sliver would protect against path of exile because it targets, but not merciless eviction as it does not fall under debt

>>52292309
Sorry you don't like being killed by your own cards anon.

>>52292316
Yeah, I know. I've had Tasigur built for about 2 months now. Just disassembled a few decks to make it better.

>>52293160
I called him a faggot on Twitter once. Is that good enough?

>>52293433
That's not all protection stops. It also stops Enchantments, Equipment, and Fortifications.

>>52293433
>>52293286
>>52293216
It's also worth noting that the D of DEBT is only Damage prevention; destroy effects still wipe out protection.

>>52291104
Then I'll be slowed down and will focus more on my hand attack strategy to slow them down as well, unless I can build my combo fast again without wasting mana.

>>52293638
>Hand attack strategy
Yeah you have fun trying to out-CA them with Thoughtseizes while you have no black mana and they're beating you to death with Delvers.

>>52292630
While I'm at it, infinite tutors + infinite mana = counterspells whenever I want/need them. Once the combo starts, it's pretty much locked in until game over.

>>52293216
My suggestion would be to aggro them to death before they get the chance.

>>52293160
>>52293525
You guys can get fucked, Esteban Verde is a cool dude. Now that that dumbass Wes is off the show it's surprisingly watchable. Parnell is a bit of a dweeb, but whatever.

I play mostly monocolor or two color, but I want to build a Saskia deck next. I find using too many nonbasic lands kind of tiresome though, is there a way to build the manabase in a more simple way? What kind of build would be light on color requirements then, voltron?

>>52294004
>4 color
>Light on color requirement
It's called "Build three color".

>>52294004
Go heavier on the green and include land fetch spells. Your deck's optimization might suffer a bit for it, but it's a reasonably good way to do budget decks.

Also, there's a slew of good color fixing rocks. Darksteel Ingot, Commander's sphere, Manalith, the like. Also guild signets are pretty good, and 5 color lands like City of Brass are surprisingly affordable.

>>52293553
>It's also worth noting that apples aren't oranges and 2+2 = 4

>>52286067

It has character, Anon.

Just traded a bunch of extra standard shit for Vorclinex and a misty rainforest for my Kruphix deck :3

>>52294092
I want Saskia specifically though
>>52294113
That much I can cover, but I'm unsure what direction the deck should I take the deck in, considering these limitations. What's the best deck archetype to utilize to avoid mana headaches for Saskia and still remain fun to play? (don't care about muh powerlevel as long as it's entertaining and doesn't stumble every second turn)

>>52294547
>Vorinclex
Hope you brought protection, because he does NOT stick around, otherwise.

>>52294581
Honestly, if you're needing to build a 4C deck on a budget, or "don't want too many nonbasics", you shouldn't be building a 4 color deck. If you must, basically build it as a 3 color deck that's splashing the fourth color for your Commander.

>>52294581
Ramp into big stuff. Rocks and land fetches don't just fix your colors, they put you ahead of the curve. Play it like a 4 color Xenagos deck. Bring some stuff that lets you re-aim Saskia and swing away.

What's your favorite deck built not around the general but another card. Ex: Aluren or Villainous Wealth

>>52292896
https://discord.gg/q3VVFBW

Woops, my bad. Hopefully this works.

>>52286888

Not the other guy, but here ya go

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/that-which-is-best-in-life/

>>52294712
My Selenia lifeswap deck featuring Repay in Kind and Reverse the Sands.

>>52294712
All Black decks featuring Cabal Coffers

>>52294447
Protection is often thought to stop boardwipes with new players. Intuitively, it would make sense.
>Chain Reaction can't touch Silver Knight, but Damnation beats White Knight

Less Apples vs Oranges, more Nectarines vs Peaches.

Is there a more boring and annoying general to fight than Oloro? Every game lasts at least twice as much as it should no matter who's winning.

>>52293880
He's alright. I didn't mind Wes that much. I just called Steven a faggot cuz he made a bad joke.

Now Saurez can go fuck himself.

>>52294772
Thanks. Heres a few comments.

Have you considered Wild Ricochet?
Do you really think Godo is necessary in there?
I had never heard of Balduvian Warlord. He seems fun. I really like your enchantments.

>>52294951
>Now Saurez can go fuck himself.
He seems alright. How do you figure?

>>52286121
jihoria
>cast from hand

spicy

>>52295024
Watch when he has the game in his hand. He has this shit eating grin that makes me just wanna punch him in the face.

>>52294930
Leovold

>>52295122
Well at least the games with him are comparably fast since everybody auto-scoops after the first wheel

>>52293317
Actually just really like the idea of playing Changelingstorm. and in fact, the only thing I *need* to fetch with it is one of the changelings and Worldgorger, if I play one of the other two pieces ahead of time it still works. I might still put that in, among other mass damage and storm win cons of course.

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Alright lads I need some token makers for Shattergang. Helping a friend build a deck, I owe him $30 and he wants cards instead of money

>>52295106
Didn't know Parnell came to /tg/

>>52295271
Endrek, and enchantment and artifact creatures with dictate out. Also put an it that betrays and grave betrayal in the deck if you haven't already. Those should go in first

>>52294930
>>52295122
Yup. I'll add Narset to the list. Any idiot can play Leovold, Narset, or Oloro. And they're always piloted by fat little highschoolers with their mom's credit card number memorized.

>>52295271
Breeding Pool. Hear me now and believe me later.

>>52295359
Anon, I don't think that works.

>>52295271
Hammer of Purphoros. If you have a Crucible (or a Dakmor Salvage, or a Drownyard Temple, or just a ton of ramp, etc) it can generate tokens that you can feed to any of the three abilities on Shattergang.

Failing that, Kher Keep.

>>52295271
Trading Post can be fun if janky

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Thinkin about ruining the meta at my gamegroup and I have my sights on Jeleva Chaos, any tips how to pilot her and some must to have cards to make her extra spicy?

>>52295271
goblin assault

>>52295601
>Chaos
stop posting

Looking to make a new deck, but I still need some help on it. Looking for some advice but want to keep it pillowfort/taxes or something similar.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bant-enchantment-pillowfort-wip/

>>52295381
He probably meant Breeding Pit. The one with the thrulls.

>>52296062
>>52295381
Fuck, I actually meant Spawning Pit.

>>52296429
Oh that makes even more sense.

I mean, Breeding Pit would work, but Awakening Zone or From Beyond would be better.

>>52292172
Magus of the Bazaar

I have a problem
I am the only person in my group that actually home brews
2 people net deck
2 people build nothing but tribal garbage

I used to have a nasty gw stax deck but then realized that the net deckers didn't actually know the decks they were playing and little mrs lel tribal decks never got off the ground
When i play less competitive decks though like tribal or green stompy we get infinite comboed before turn 6
So how do i build a deck that can keep one under contol while not just blowing the others out of the water
I only have enough staples to build 1 maybe two decks at any time.

>>52296714
>netdeck
Fuck off.

>>52296714
Getting gud would work best

>>52296838
Taking zergo and krenko lists straight from the internet and buying the cards

Id consider that net decking
>>52296819
I already am good my lists dont have a hard time dominating
If you read my original comment im asking for help building a casual list for my meta

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>What accessories do you use/swear by/avoid at all costs when you're looking to suit up your deck?
I try to avoid cheap ultra pro deck boxes these days but I haven't tried any of the towers and I hear those are good. I like ultra pro mattes for drafts but for edh I buy kmc perfect fits and dragon shield mattes. The ultra pro perfect fits look interesting with the side fit and I saw my friend use some new sleeve with rounded corners. I have no idea if those are good but they look interesting.

For deckboxes I have the two ultra pro commander boxes I am looking to replace with some Ultimate Guard boxes and the dual box Xenoskin. I'd like a second one but for 40 bucks I won't afford it for a while.

>What accessories do you use/swear by/avoid at all costs when you're looking to suit up your deck?
Kmc perfect sleeves, drsgonshields, and a satin tower for each deck.
I live in Florida and like foils, if I don't double sleeve, the humidity curls the cards in like a day

>tfw I actually like how ultra-pro mattes feels and shuffle but I can't stand that fucking silver circle thingy on them

I think they'd be great if not for that one flaw. I've heard they split more often but every pack comes with like 10 extra sleeves

>>52297613
ultra pros in general are just pretty easily prone to splitting but when people say prone to splitting it's not like your entire deck is gonna end up with ruined sleeves after a few games.

I think ultra pro has the best shuffle feel as well but the sleeves in general are just really thin and don't feel like they fit snug. That's my beef with them. I do kind of like them for double sleeving until I get some dragon shield replacements though.

>>52297666
Nice trips.

Ultrapro gets a bad rap, simply because they aren't the very best product in a hobby that tends to foster a very "all or nothing" mindset. I used them for the first decade or so of my Magic career and had very little problems with them.

That being said, I've found Dragonshield to be superior in basically every way, if only just slightly. Whereas Ultrapro shuffled fine, DS shuffles like a dream. Ultrapro seldom tore, DS NEVER tear (and you can take that to the bank).

All in all, Ultrapro sleeves are fine, even good for the price. They just aren't the BEST, so people bag on them.

When it comes to deck boxes, though, Ultimate Guard is streets ahead of the competition. Buy that shit, you'll never regret it.

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Finally getting all my decks on tappedout.

Based on what I've built already, what should I build next?

>>52298047
Do you like being adickhole? Sharrum combo. Do you like fun? Endrek sahr

>>52298096
I did Sharuum a bit ago. When the C16 decks came out, I cannibilized Breya into Sharuum and Slobad. Then I took the white out and made Silas Renn.

And I'd prefer to not buy all my mono black staples again. I tried Endrek before and other than feeling like a weird stax deck, I didn't like it.

So I packed a Bloodmoon and now I wanna make a Krenko.
Is it worth it?

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>>52298047
8.5 Tails Prison/Voltron.

>>52298315
Yeah.

im trying to build up a list for control mimeoplasm

what should i cut or add?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/plasm-build/

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Are SCG stocks completely arbitrary? Seems weird that they'd run out of a bulk common that I've never really seen anyone run.

>>52298987
It's a unique card. Somebody's probably speculating, hoping it sees play somewhere.

>>52298987
I had a buddy who worked at a card shop explain it to me when I bitched that his shop had no regular brainstorms but had 19 foil ones.

>Who trades them in?

>>52299053
>>52299053
>Somebody's probably speculating
I doubt it, since TCGplayer has almost 300 of them from the Future Sight printing

>>52298047
Monowhite weenie/hatebear/tokens and anthems

>>52299162
Oh I assumed they were both empty. Probably because nobody mass box opened duel decks for that crap.

>>52299372
Only SCG is out of every version but the foil Future Sight printing

>>52299705
>>52299705
>>52299705
New thread for you all

>>52298987
It actually does see play though.

>>52285924
Where can I find that case?

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>>52286682
Here's half of a card

>>52293216
protection doesn't stop that...
Spells like thought seize to remove board wipes and counterspells.