EDH/Commander General

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5 Color god tribal, deck sucks but its really fun.
I'm looking for some help with a decklist. Hoping to keep the same theme. Thanks for advice.
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bant-enchantment-pillowfort-wip/

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>T1 Skullbriar into Hardened Scales

I felt so evil.

Also, how samey is Krenko from game to game? I just found a couple copies in a long box I had forgotten about, and I'm wondering if I should put him in the 99 for Zada instead of at the helm of his own deck.

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>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
This one.

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>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
My Nin Control deck. It's unfocused, at times janky and incredibly fun to play while remaining casual. Drawing cards by hitting a stuffy doll is fun. Here's the list: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/nin-wip-1/

I also currently need help with fine-tuning my Bant Enchantress voltron deck and building No-Wincon Thada Adel, as advised by /edhg/ earlier. Links are here:

Enchantress: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/

Thada Adel: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-u-heist-of-the-century/

>>52299781
I run a Krenko deck, it's pretty samey but super cheap to toss together.

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Post'em!

>thread question
I only have 4 so I haven't gotten to that point yet. But I want there to be more toys for my zombiechantress. Hopefully Amonkhet will increase the pool of Zombie Enchantment Creatures

>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
Omnath, Locus of Mana. I'll be buried with that deck.

>>52299781
>Also, how samey is Krenko from game to game?
Very. But he's damn good. If you wanna shake up goblin tribal a bit, try BR Wort. Not as good, but you're gonna have some unique cards.

If you REALLY wanna mix it up, do Alesha Goblins.

I've taken every deck that wasn't Kalitas apart at one point, and I don't particularly love it either.

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So a friend's invited me to play commander with his group.

How much hate can I expect for choosing
Sen Triplets as a commander and just filling my whole deck with a section of mannas?
and more importantly should I?

>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
Borborygmos Enraged. My first commander will never be retired.

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>>52299840
Alesha is my favorite of the three. She can't combo off as easily with GY hate, but she doesn't fold to it right away.

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>1v1 commander deck testing
>T4 Traumatize followed by Bojuka Bog
>T5 Oblivion sower picking up 12 lands.

Is this what it feels like to be the Villain?

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>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
This guy. I'll probably be buried with this deck

>>52299840
I have a UG Ezuri that just kinda has a dumb amount of synergy and wins a lot of games

RGW Mayael that does a lot of hand sculpting to generate maximum value from using her

WUBR artifacts with Breya, mostly focused on combo stuff because why not

and monoW Darien that tries to take damage as much as possible.

Any recommendations to make monoW move faster? I have a handful of stuff that can draw me cards and stuff but its just too slow and can't get around counterspells at all

>>52300010

Just make sure you have plenty of counterspells and protection for the Triplets.

>>52299799
Anyone?

>>52299781

So is Skullbriar a fun commander?

Playing Bruna. She's out on the field with a Spirit Mantle, it's down to me against Melek.

Opponents turn, he has lethal the turn after this. Turn to Frog + Lightning Bolt on Bruna. I Swan Song the Bolt.

Eldrazi Conscription in hand, not enough to take the win, he still has lethal. My turn rolls around.

Topdeck Corrupted Conscience.

Bliss.

How do I win a game with Oona, Queen of the Fae thats not infinite mana combo?

>>52300497
Many mana doublers.

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ezuri tech

>>52300020
Toshi decklist please?

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>>52299705
>Thread Topic
The one deck I cant bring myself to tear apart is my old mono red bosh deck the urge to turn it into slobad is high since I have most the pieces but bosh has always been there like a old pair of work boots and I dont have the heart to take it apart.

Anybody have any good tech besides the usual stuff for a gonti deck? I just got done building mine and its loads of fun but I want all the flicker and steal effects to replace some of the generic mono black goodstuff I tossed in their.

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>>52299840
Here we go.

Shitload of decks

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>>52299781
>tfw turn 3 blasphemous act with everlasting torment out

>>52300748
>no repercussion in play
It's as if you don't want people deathly afraid of going wide.

>>52300776
Oh wait, was talking specifically in reply to Skullbriar, muh bad.

Black Sun's Zenith is so much fun if a guy in your group is playing Skullbriar

>>52300776
I didnt have that in the deck or know about it but im brewing a deck that can have all three though so Ill give it a shot, thanks anon.

>>52300670
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/toshiro-valuetown/
Here you go. There's no doubt ways to clean up the decklist, and some of the cards aren't really needed for the deck (like Volrath's Stronghold, and Liliana the Last Hope), but the deck is solid. I have a lot of fun bouncing around instants like nobody's business.

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>>52299840

>>52300854
shit, I forgot to update this. Corvax/Pianna is now Jazal Goldmane and it's dank

>>52300854
New oedric is pretty mean in monowhite.

>>52300832
It's so often a blowout in my Mogis deck.

Everyone but you has +3 creatures in play?

You all die for 1RRR.

I often end up tutoring for Repercussion since I run a lot of X damage boardwipes.

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>>52300722
how would you build a budget mimeoplasm control deck?

posting mine btw

>>52300497
Oona Lab Maniac?
You get Azami and multiple levels of protection for the combo, and tutors to grab it.
Might be fun. Not as easy as infinite win, but Lab Maniac is my favorite alt win-con.

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>>52300854
updated, also post your deck's stando

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hardcore control deck. i rarely cast him, and pretty much any other esper general would be a better option, but i just can't bring myself to swap him out. too many memories.

>>52281876

Could someone give me a link to this? My google is weak, sorry.

>>52299752
oh man my mate tried running that. It was terrible. Just could not get devotion on anything. You need ways to cheat things in with a lot of symbols on them.

>>52301388
I use autocard anywhere http://www.autocardanywhere.com/

Not sure if anons have other suggestions

>>52300790
if the skullbriar player has half a brain he would run ways to sac it at instant speed in response to that

>>52299705
Still have a Norin the Wary deck that I made out of spite from about 2 years ago. Really inexpensive, so I never got rid of it.

Additional question: I'm getting all hot and bothered from Jhoira's inclusion in Mind vs. Might and want to brew with her. I'd want to make it artifact centric rather than "LELDRAZI". Anyone know some good UR+colorless combos or interactions off the top of their head?

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Compared to Nevinyrral's Disk, is this playable or garbage in creature-light control decks without access to white/black board wipes?

>>52302048
It's decent, especially in red, artifact-based, coin-flipping themed decks.

>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
It WAS my 5-color angel deck but I had cashed out of magic for a while and it'll take a while to build it back up, especially the mana base. I may wind up proxying out part of it.

At the moment I've got a casual Oloros built I like. Also trying to build a R/G deck to play against it but I'm not good with either of those colors and it's going poorly. Was using Omnath, Locus of Rage. Considering tearing it back down a bit and using Mina and Denn, Wildborn instead.

That lead me to consider a General Tarzi ally deck instead, which raises a question- he'd count as a 5-color commander because of his ability, right? And if not, is it possible to even use his activated ability (because wouldn't all my non-white mana become generic mana?)

>>52300854
I don't see why you'd run crovax over elesh norn.
Sad, because it's a cool card.

>>52302122
>pay 2 life to bounce and avoid command zone increase from removal
I dunno seems like a fair trade to me

Decklist http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/embrace-the-red/ purely for hilarity (and it has actually won me games)

>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?

Slivers. There's dual land in that deck and all sorts of other things I only have one of, but I love it too much.

>>52302048
It's not entirely garbage. 50% of the time it's better than nev disk, 25% of the time its the same, 25% of the time it's worse.

This is assuming you're playing it to blow the board right away.

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Post your favorite basics. Wish I had more of these

>>52302048
Boompile isn't bad compared to Disk, but Disk just doesn't impress me anymore. It's too vulnerable and it gives your opponents the chance to play around it. It's been a long time since I put a Disk into a deck.

>>52301433
What browser are you using? Trying to install on firefox gives me "addon appears to be corrupt" error.

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>>52302122
>Not wanting to pull a near-death experience win

>>52300600
Nice

Anyone got a good resource for comparing current card prices to pre-spoiler prices for MM17?

>>52303549
mtggoldfish?

>>52300460
>tfw attacking with Bruna when Uril player had been shittalking all night and fogs were constant
>Uril has a million auras
>but not anymore

>>52300790
>>52300748
>I start with a land
>opponent gets a T1 Skullbriar
>after declaring attackers I cast Scar

>>52300673
>Anybody have any good tech besides the usual stuff for a gonti deck?
Does Blood Clock and Umbilicus count? Super secret tech with Oath of Liliana and Prophetic Prism, the latter which also helps you activate non-black abilities.

>>52302119
>That lead me to consider a General Tarzi ally deck instead, which raises a question- he'd count as a 5-color commander because of his ability, right? And if not, is it possible to even use his activated ability (because wouldn't all my non-white mana become generic mana?)
Tazri's has a WUBRG color identity, so you can put whatever you want in her.
Even if she didn't, the rules have changed to allow you to produce off-color mana, although you would need to play something like City of Brass, or steal a mana producer from someone else. (I guess you can also play an Urborg for black.)

>>52303719
Prophetic Prism seems kind of mediocre compared to just running rainbow rocks, Command Tower, Exotic Orchard and Fellwar Stone.

>>52303719
i've seen urborg in a garbage GW deck that was made entirely of swamp hate and land tutors

>>52303017
>Now I want to build it
Fuck you.

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>>52303758
swap out crovax and put triskaidekaphobia in as well

>>52303787
What's a cool orzhov archetype besides taxing to play with her?

And with Crovax, what's a cool monowhite archetype that isn't angel tribal?

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>>52303810

>>52300854
>switch to pianna if opponents are playing white

or you could switch to 8-1/2 tails and collect endless bags of salt as you you can shit on the white players endlessy and efficiently.

What does "Primer" means in MTG/deck context?

>>52304014
sort of like a beginner's guide to how a deck works, why certain cards are played, what to do in matchups, etc.

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>>52299840
why not?

>>52303787
>triskaidephobia
Why would I want to lose the game?

>>52304021
Thanks anon!

>>52303861
where is your lich's mirror?

>>52304088
>Lose the game
What? You get to 13 and swap life total with an opponent just before your upkeep

>>52304097
right next to my immortal coil

>>52304064
>Experiment 300

W-What? That's the most stupid idea ever and I loved it, care to share the deck list?

>>52304115
what about lich's tomb? in fact i think you need more lich's, bitches love lich's

>>52304117
spawnsire into 200 ulamogs
sacrifice 199 to legend rule
199 ulamogs enter your graveyard simultaneously
shuffle 199 ulamogs into your deck

>>52304107
You can do it in your upkeep as well with like Magus of the Mirror. You lose the game only after the trigger resolves.

>>52304156
I sure hope you spent $3000 for all those copies

>>52304117
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/experiment-300/
that takes days to do.

>>52303734
It replaces itself and is a card draw engine with Blood Clock/Umbilicus. Sure, it's not amazing, but the opportunity cost is not that high.
Command Tower is only going to give you black, by the way.

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>>52302910

Rules question: if you have Thought Reflection out, draw a Reforge the Soul on the first draw of your draw step, do you get the second draw before or after Reforge the Soul resolves?

Replacement effects make my head hurt

>>52304551
Wouldn't they happen simultaneously? And the Reforge trigger?

>>52304551
You draw two cards, then reforge the soul is cast.

Same as when you cast a brainstorm or something, and reveal a miracle card on the first draw. You still draw the other two cards first and put two cards back.

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Can you suggest me a fun commander that is WU, RUG or WG? I have decks in almost all the other color combinations.

>>52304482
Ok but are there 300 different Eldrazis?

>>52304777
That depends largely on what you want to do with them. If you feel like being a bad person, you can always roll with Brago, King Eternal as your WU commander. Combo him with Lavinia of the Tenth to lock everyone out of the game (with some early mana ramp, of course).

>>52304862
Technically it doesn't matter, because Spawnsire doesn't actually do anything in Commander unless your group agrees ahead of time that it does. If his group is fine with pulling multiple copies of cards via Spawnsire, then he could just jam 200 copies of Emrakul's Crusher in there.

>>52304954
I should have stressed the fun part, Brago sure is powerful but I don't like this kind of playstyle.

>>52304777
RUG: Riku. Great Snake Mistake or otherwise.
WG: Selvala something or Sisay Kamigawa "Legends Matter" bullshit (or Sisay Paradox if you are a spike enough dude to find that fun)
WU: Define 'fun'. Brago Flicker Abuse could be to some people, as could getting the efficiency of Grand Arbiter. I for one might favor Bruna Voltron or Hanna

>>52304777
For UW: Rasputin Ramp? There's infinite combos with him but you don't need to play them.

I have a friend (very loose use of the word) who is convinced that the best keyword for a voltron commander to have is haste, rather than evasion, hexproof etc. and I think he's a fucking idiot for thinking that. Who is right?

>>52304967
Eh, just use OG Emrakul. It doesn't really matter if she's banned, since the deck doesn't even function with "official" EDH rules. At least you get 200 extra turns and can get the Wits trigger and win immediately.

>>52305342
One really good thing about Haste is that you can swing when they didn't anticipate you being able to (IE, they have blockers for your guys, but then you drop something with haste and it all gets fucked up). That element of surprise is 100% gone if it's on your Commander, or in the form of something like Lightning Greaves super visible on the board. It also doesn't protect your Commander like Hexproof or Protection, or enable it to get past blockers like Flying. It's still useful to make the clock shorter, but it's not AS useful as the other bits.

>>52305360
I mean, if you have literally 8000 dollars lying around to buy 200 Emrakuls, I guess?

>>52305376
The most economical approach is to include Mirror Entity, 1 titan and 200 random trash eldrazi.

Requires a white color identity though.

>>52300020
I love Alesha. All I need for the lands now is a marsh flats and a badlands

>>52305416
>Requires a white color identity though
No

It

Doesn't

Spawnsire doesn't work AT ALL unless your group agrees to let it work, and if you're already flaunting the 1-of rule by pulling in 200 Ulamog's Crusher, do you really think your group's gonna stop you from pulling in a Mirror Entity?

>>52305376
I don't think anyone is going to buy 200 pieces of any kind of card for a single non-serious deck anyway, so most people would just proxy them anyway

>>52305429
Fuck you. The rules state that outside of sanctioned events, this is exactly how the card works.

15.06.2010 In a casual game, the cards you cast from outside the game come from your personal collection. In a sanctioned event, those cards must come from your sideboard. Note that you can’t cast cards from exile this way; exile is a zone in the game.

Spawnsire works perfectly fine even if your playgroup doesn't "agree" to let it work.

>>52305450
Sure, why don't we just throw literally everything out the window?

>So I'm using this card which doesn't actually work
>And pulling in more copies of a card than I'm allowed to have in this format
>And also cards outside the colors I'm allowed
>And also they aren't even real cards, they're proxies
>And also they aren't even good proxies, it's just "ELDURZO" written in crayon on a McDonald's wrapper

>>52305469
And the rules for Commander say that Wish type cards that find cards from outside the game don't function unless your group agrees otherwise.

Format rules trump CR.

>>52305469
Commander has specific rules for wish cards.

>>52305485
>>52305490
You're right, my bad.

>>52305469
This is wrong though. Just like Wishes don't work unless your group agrees to it.

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>>52305469
903.1. In the Commander variant, each deck is led by a legendary creature designated as that deck's commander. The Commander variant was created and popularized by fans; an independent rules committee maintains additional resources at MTGCommander.net. The Commander variant uses all the normal rules for a Magic game, with the following additions.

>an independent rules committee maintains additional resources at MTGCommander.net
>Abilities which refer to other cards owned outside the game (Wishes, Spawnsire, Research, Ring of Ma'ruf) do not function in Commander without prior agreement on their scope from the playgroup.

>>52305479
Hyperboles are worthless. I only stared Emrakuls, which are colourless.
Besides
>being buttmad of someone building a joke deck and not dumping 10k in it

>>52305531
I wouldn't bat an eye at someone putting in Mirror Entities, or 200 copies of any given cheapo Eldrazi to further this deck. I'd welcome it.

If you want to cheese it with 200 Emrakuls, but then argue "lol like I'm gonna spend 10 grand on a joke deck" I would punch you in the goddamned teeth.

What would you guys recommend for as a budget commander/deck for a relatively new magic player? All my friends mostly play edh so I'm looking to get my feet wet

>>52305558
Honestly? Just nab a precon. They're mostly functional out of the box, give you a few staples (like Command Tower and Sol Ring), and give you a decent framework to build from.

>>52305568
That's where I was leaning. The 2016 ones are all pretty decent right?

>>52305613
They're a little dodgier than in past years (it's hard to do a 4 color manabase on a budget), but they're not awful.

>>52304777
Fun is pretty subjective. I guess I'll do 1 semi-serious and 1 meme answer for each.
WG: Karametra enchantress or Dromoka Mirror Entity tokens.
WU: Bruna self-mill that sacrifices and replays auras for value, or Ith Mesmeric Orb combo.
RUG: Yasova permanent exchange (Spawnbroker/Bazaar Trader) or Surrak Planar Chaos control.

>>52299799
>tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jenaras-bant-enchantress/
-kor spirit dancer
-fountain watch
-Nylea
-Nature Lore
- Utopia Sprawl
- shield of the oversoul
- Flickerform
- Auratog
+ carpet of flowers
+ corrupted consciousness
+ umbra mystic
+ shield of safety
+ ghostly prison
+ Crop Rotation
+ Sphinx's Tutelage
+ Herald of the Pantheon

>>52305655
edit: forgot Ice Caves for Surrak.

>>52305342
I feel like Haste is more easily conferred than the other contender, Hexproof. A potential Voltron with Haste but not Hexproof can get killed in response to the Lightning Greaves/Swiftfoot Boots equip, one with Hexproof but not Haste can't get instant-speed victimized. You are running the shoes, right? Beyond those, if you've got red there are WAY more global Haste grants than global Hexproof grants. Even if you're in Green, your options are 2 Hexproof Global Grants (Archetype of Endurance and Asceticism) to one Haste Global Grant (Concordant Crossroads) and of the three cards, Crossroads is the least burden on your curve.

Don't get me wrong, Haste is powerful. True, a Voltron commander still won't have technical surprise with its haste, but that still does get you a hit in before anybody can fire sorcery removal (aka basically all Wraths). But I feel like Hexproof is at least as critical to a Voltron's success, along with Indestructible, and either of those two are a little hard to come by when you're looking at things to buff your Voltron with, so maybe you get them innate if you can?

>>52305667
>-Shield of the Oversoul
Nigga you high?

>>52305734
>he doesn't run SotO in every deck he can

>>52305810
I'm questioning the decision to REMOVE Shield from a Bant Aura Voltron deck. That's a snap include.

>>52305342
Nope.

Haste allows for a quick swing, but protection (hexproof/shroud) makes it much harder to shut down your voltron.

Usually that means boardwipe, which is a harsh solution for a single target.

>>52304954

Brago is definitely "fun" for me, but I always feel like a huge asshole when I run him. I didn't even put in the really good stuff, but it's still just BS chaining ETB effects. Still fun though.

>>52305621
Cool. Any one in particularly you'd recommend? Breeding Lethality and Invent Superiority have best values but Open Hostility has a lot of things in it for other decks I eventually want to make.

>>52305613
>>52305925
You could probably find 2015 precons somewhere too if you want options. Mizzix, Meren, Ezuri, Breya, Atraxa and Yidris are good out of the box, while Kalemne, Daxos, Saskia and K&T are kind of garbage.

>>52305925
Whichever one you think would be the most fun to build off of, or cannibalize for parts towards decks you want to build.

>>52305925
>but Open Hostility has a lot of things in it for other decks I eventually want to make.

If you are already at this point, you are likely "too good" for the precons. If you know what kind of decks you want to make already, then buying singles to make those decks is much more cost effective, and you will be happier playing something you actually want to play.

The precons are good buys for total nooblets, but it doesn't exactly sound like that's you right now.

>>52306070
I'm pretty new to mtg but not card games. Just started like 2 weeks ago, mostly been drafting but the group that got me into it plays a lot of edh so I'm pretty much looking for a decent cheap edh deck

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COALITION IS ASLEEP.
POST PERFECTION.

>>52305925
Get the yidris deck and start wheelan and dealan

t. gavlan

>>52306155
At that point, IMO, some of the precons aren't terrible jumping-off points. I might buy Breya (or such) to play and Saskia to cannibalize.

I imagine most people AREN'T like me, but I typically just get more copies of staples like Sol Ring when I build a new deck rather than passing such pieces between my active decks like the Graeae shuffling their eye and tooth about. Precons are often a loss on EV versus singles, but often not much of one, and usually the prices of weird, commander-precon-specific cards goes up, resulting in at least some beating their EV in the long run.

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>>52306236
One of these years, Commander...

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>>52306273
>>52306236

>Still no Gix commander

>>52306296
Honestly you should be glad they didn't make Gix a shitty 2 color Partner commander with "10, sacrifice 4 creatures, pay 8 life: make a 0/0 Thrull token".

>>52306273
nooo,

Dont ask for legendary cards to be made. The last time that happened we got a shitty were-legend, and a shittier necro-alchemist.

>>52306296
>>52306314
What would a Gix card even be?

>>52306325
>4UB
>Gix, Vanguard of The Ineffable
>Artifact creatures get +1/+1 and fear.
>Tap, 4: Sacrifice a non-artifact creature. Make a copy of sacrificed creature except it is an Artifact and Horror in addition to it's other types.
>5/5


best I could think of.

>>52306393
>Sacrifice a non-artifact creature you control.

Fixed

>>52306453
That doesn't 'fix' anything. You can't sacrifice things you don't control.

I have a number of decks, but somehow I've never put together a deck with White in its color identity. So I have all these White staples sitting around doing nothing.

No Wx commander jumps out at me, help me pick one guys.

Give me the whitepill.

>>52306393
I don't really know the flavor of gix since I started around M15, but that card sounds unplayably weak.

>>52306549
This is so vague, what kind of deck would you like?

There are many different white commanders with different effects.

>>52306549
Other than white, what color is least represented among your decks? a 2C would probably be better than a 1C.

>>52306316
We also got Feldon, who was awesome, Freyalise Planeswalker (Reasonable), and despite being a Partner legend Sidar is at least respectful to the character, going so far as to dredge up Flanking for him.

>>52306325
>Monoblack or Black + one or both allies on the outside
>Legendary Creatuure - Demon or maybe Demon Rogue or Demon Assassin
>Gix exerts a fairly subversive influence. In his first life he was a saboteur and rebel leader. In his Phyrexian days he's best known for being a cult leader and the one pulling Mishra's puppet strings. So he should probably have some subversive/destructive abilities. Topping out with some sort of Mindslaver power would be great.

>>52306549
Hokori Stax or anything 8.5 Tails. Go MONO white.

>>52306555
I like explosive decks with big dumb turns. Whether that be via some combo or just a huge brutal attack or crazy play, I don't really care. I get bored with grindy valuey decks that feel samey.

>>52306560
I suppose Green is probably the second lowest, although not by much. At face value, all the WG commanders look dreadfully boring though.

>>52306618
>WG commanders
Gaddock Teeg Hatebears (For those evolved enough to find shutting people down fun)
Selvala Stax (Sorry, pet deck of mine)
Sisay Paradox Engine Combo (For those who like winning real fast)
Sigarda 1.0 Voltron (OK it's a bit dull but Hexproof, WG for Shield, and immune to All Is Dust/Grave Pact is a great start for a Voltron game)
Saffi Combo maybe?

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>>52306453
>heh, say goodbye to your Sol Ring :^)

>>52306713
Stax and true Voltron are just about the farthest things from fun for me, personally.

Out of those, Saffi's potential for huge recursive plays interests me the most. I'll look into her a bit. Thanks!

>>52306603
8.5 Tails seems like you could build a fun, weird mono-white control deck around him, but what's the actual win condition in a deck like that?

>>52306875
8.5 Tails is hugely versatile. He can go equipment voltron and win with combat damage, or he can go stax, Or Pillow Fort where he can be used to insulate just about any combo or even something normally considered a normal non-starter like guiding Gideon, Champion of Justice to either -15 'board goes away' or omnidestructive Planeswalker Beatdown. Or both. Just about the only thing he isn't at least decent at is going wide, since the more stuff you want to protect, the more mana you need to do it. 8.5 lets you do some REALLY stupid things as long as you only need a couple cards on the field to do it, like imprinting Platinum Angel on a Prototype Portal to beat down with an ever-expanding army of "I can't lose"

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>>52304954
>>52305211
>>52305333
>>52305655
Thanks for the replies, that was actually very helpful.

>>52302973
Oh sorry I went to sleep after posting that, I use chrome.

>>52305479
>eldurzo

Soft kek. But fuck you, it's joke deck ffs.

>>52306273
In case you're implying that's Yawgmoth, it's not.

So my friend just built Bruna voltron and the deck is awesome and makes me want to build a voltron commander as well. Who should I build?

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>>52307494
Do the other powerpuff.

Sigarda

>>52307474
Along the cloud in the background of Last Stand, the exploding cloud in Vindicate, and the hooded goatee dude on the back cover of The Thran, it's one of the closest things we have to an image for the boss man, and may very well be concept art for the 40-foot tall "Ultimate" form called out in the text. If The Ineffable is going to have a face, I dare you to find a better one.

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What's this about a T1 skullbriar? I run that commander, but I guess I'm way to casual to know how to get that out the first turn. How do you do it?

>>52305485
And if your group doesn't let you pull 200 hand of emrakuls from your collection for a janky win condition that wins maybe 1 out of 100 times, then your playgroup is shitpile of fagfuckers and you shouldn't be playing with them.

>>52307800
Getting lucky and drawing elvish spirit guide is the only way I can think of, getting two different colors of mana is tricky that early.

>>52307800
It's pretty magical christmasland.

>t1 forest, tap it for sol ring, play mana crypt, play golgari signet, tap the crypt for 2 floating, pay one to the signet, play skullbriar with the floating mana

>>52307861
>>52307868
Lotus Petal is also used. Many Skullbriar decks focus on getting him out T1

>>52307800
>mana crypt, sol ring, golgari signet
>Ancient tomb, Sol ring, signet
>Lotus bloom + ancient tomb/mana crypt + signet
Any number of ways really, just takes some expensive cards.
Mana vault works and that's pretty cheap.

>>52307945
>Lotus Bloom
The fuck are you smoking? We're talking about getting him out as early as possible

>>52308007
I meant lotus petal, please forgive me and my lineage.

>>52308007
He probably meant lotus petal

>>52307800
Petal + Land
ESG + Black-producing Land
Chancellor of the Tangle + Black-producing land
Crypt + Signet + Land
Land + Vault + Signet
Gemstone Cavern Shenanigans
Chancellor/ESG + Summer Bloom to play out extra land
Crypt + Fellwar Stone + Land + Accommodating Opponents

The list goes on with fancier and fancier christmasland plays.

Anyone have any neat targets for an RB reanimator deck?

Right now, my plan of attack is to play as many damage doublers as I can and just hit people really really hard. I have heartless hidestugu, dictate of the twin gods, beserker's onslaught, gratuitious violence, and wound reflection. I was wondering if a warstorm surge type of deal would be fun, but I still would like to have a reasonable mana curve, and I keep getting sucked into bigger and bigger fatties.

>>52308187
Rakdos, Lord of Riots

>>52306273
>Amonkhet is all a set up for Bolas to revive Yawgmoth in some convoluted scheme
calling it now

>>52308187
Sire of Insanity is fun.

>>52308233
Bolas isn't stupid enough to rez Yawgmoth. Everything Bolas has been doing so far since the Mending has been attempts to get his pre-Mending power back, and "resurrecting the guy who took 9 fucking planeswalkers in Pacific Rim mana-mechs to kill" is probably not going to further that goal.

>>52308241
>Bolas isn't stupid enough to rez Yawgmoth
maybe so, but that doesn't mean the design team isn't

>>52308059
You are forgiven and your sins absolved. Carry on.

>>52308276
I'd rather see a revived Mishra

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>>52308330
>Mishra revived and becomes the new Father of Machines

>>52308241
>Bolas isn't stupid enough to rez Yawgmoth
He did engineer the release of the Eldrazi for no discernible reason.

>>52308187
Sire of Insanity is probably the best.
It serves me well in Legacy R/B reanimator, and in EDH as well. turn 1 Sire is backbreaking, even more than most other targets in those colors.

>>52308602
To be fair, "fuck Ugin" might very well be his entire reason for doing that.

>>52308602
I bet it was a distraction to make planeswalkers divert from his plots. Or he wanted to harvest their power.

>>52308658
I was about to claim that waiting over a thousand years to unleash a mindlessly destructive ravenous force just to spite an enemy who had been dead for those thousand plus years didn't seem like Bolas, but no, it sounds exactly like Bolas.

>>52308602
He just wanted to see what would happen.

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Who /merciless/ here?

>Playing against a Prossh deck in my playgroup
>First cast Curse of Death's Hold to make the tokens useless
>Then kill Prossh and Nevermore it
>Opponent scoops automatically

>>52310699
The same logic could see him resurrecting Yawgmoth, surgically installing death rays in kittens, talking Sarkhan into killing his own grandfather, unleashing shandalaar's fauna on an unsuspecting refraction of Rabiah, or blackmailing the guilds of Ravnica into a life-or-death competition to build the largest and most anatomically accurate statue of his dick.

>>52311079
>Prossh deck with absolutely no enchantment removal

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>>52299840
Darien is finished, just tweaking him a bit. Sygg is on hold as I want to build Baral so I have at least one deck that isn't jank.

>>52303719
I appreciate the answer!
Just curious, does anyone know where the new rules for of-color mana are? I can't seem to find them from googling.

>>52311096

She has like 3 enchantment removals, but then again I had Necropotence on the table and I run damping matrix and lots of exile shit like Utter End, she had no chance if she didn't kill me before turn 6.

>>52311125
They rescinded the rule that trying to generate off-color mana gets you colorless instead, right around Oath of the Gatewatch. You still can't break color identity in construction (IE, you can't put Noble Hierarch in a G/W deck), but if something would generate off-color mana, it DOES now (IE, if you have a City of Brass in a two-color deck, it can generate all five colors, rather than your two colors or colorless)

>>52311125
while you can still only bring the appropriate lands based on your commanders colors, you can produce mana of any color.


To prevent easy access to <> mana.

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>>52299840

POST YOUR OBZEDAT LIST

>>52300722

POST YOUR HORDE OF NOTIONS LIST AND MOGIS

>>52301158

POST YOUR EZURI

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>>52299840

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>>52311251

>>52311127
>>52311079
Assuming she built the deck herself, she doesn't seem to be experienced at least ib terms of EDH.
Besides
>Running curse instead of Night of Souls Betrayal
It's cheaper and doesn't bully just one feller. Playing creatures is for chumps anyway.

>>52307589
It doesn't need to have a face.

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>>52311278

Guys, remind me, what are the good brand of sleeves? Dragonshields or is something else better? I need to pack my Brujah Antitribu

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What is a fun and non degenerate but good for multiplayer commander that includes blue, red and green or maybe a two color combination of those, or even monocolor?

I have a lot of decks with white and black in them.

Is such a thing even possible?

>>52311332
General agreement is DS or KMC Matte are best.

>>52311332
Use Carbon Fiber to sleeve your cards

>>52311251
>>52311278
>>52311317
sword

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>>52311474

>>52311343
Yasova. Nothing degenerate about stealing everyone else degeneracy and killing them with it. After all you're not the one who's running that wincon, they are.

>>52311732
That's basically the idea of my Reaper King deck, and the Shu Yun deck I'm building. "You have nobody to blame for this but yourself."

>>52311385
>KMC Matte
Not since ChingChong Bought the ComCom with BlingBling.

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>>52299840
Working on a Patron of the Moon deck, currently. After that, I'll probably switch focus towards a mono-red deck. I had run Marton Stromgald in the past as one, but aggro, in spite of the hipster cred Marton generates, kind of bores me. Right now I'm leaning towards Zo-Zu LD and stax, Kazuul combat control, or Hidetsugu combo. Any thoughts?

>>52311800
...what?

>>52311856
Zo-Zu stax is going to fail because mono-red doesn't support a stax build as well as a deck with white could. You're also painting a "kill me, I'm fucking with your shit!" target on your head with Zo-Zu.

Kazuul Combat Control, likewise, may be better done as Basandra, since you can use forced-attack effects with Propaganda effects to keep yourself safer, plus you get more tricks in white and red (for when Basandra's not out).

Hidetsugu is probably the best option of those three, but mono-red artifacts is probably your best choice as far as mono-red goes.

>>52311922
Some Chinese bootleg-tier company bought KMC and now the quality is shit.

>>52311966
Whenabouts was that? I honestly haven't bought any in a few months because I bought a big order from Amazon right after my LGS closed.

>>52311966
It's not bootleg if they own the original brand.

>>52311856
>Selenia
What do you do with her, anon? She's one of my nostalgic favorites, but I've yet to figure out a good way to use her.

>>52311191
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/touch-of-a-lethifold/

It's life drain n'gain with a touch of enchantress.

>>52311990
>Bootleg-tier
He wasn't saying they're making bootlegs of KMC, he was saying the company that bought KMC makes items of bootleg-level quality. IE, bad.

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Story time and asking for opinions. So I'm playing with a good friend, he's been a bit down lately so I figure a low-powered Commander duel could cheer him up. He has Rafiq and I play a janky Ephara.

Early to mid-game, I cast Tragic Arrogance. I choose an artifact creature as his artifact. He picks up the card. He asks, skeptical, "You can really do that? Doesn't say anywhere you can." Give him the gatherer ruling.

Later, I flicker his attacker with Eldrazi Displacer. He tries to protect him with Mother of Runes. I explain Devoid. He twitches.

Then he's attacking with a huge double-striking Sagu Mauler with hexproof and trample. I know he has Hindering Light. I cast Comeuppance to reflect all the damage. He picks up the card, reads it for a good minute. "So my hexproof guy dies from this bullshit? Because it doesn't say the magic word 'target'?" I nod. "You know you always have that goddamn weird ruling or exception that makes it so my shit doesn't work and yours does, right? It only happens against you too."

The air is tense. He casts Ardent Plea, cascades into Animist's Awakening. I see him move to tap more lands to pay for X.
>my face when

What would you do, /edhg/?

>>52312016
>I choose an artifact creature as his artifact
as his artifact and as his creature.*

>>52312013
Makes sense. My bad.

>>52311332
Those new John Avon sleeves from Ultra pro are pretty damned good. They're durable (actual shocker) and have a nice shuffle feel along with looking amazing. They can also be double sleeved easily.

>>52312016
Tell him to learn the fucking rules or stop bitching.

>>52312047
That's good to know. I saw that they were Ultra Pro art-backs and immediately assumed they'd peel as soon as you look at them crooked.

>>52312016
Tell him that when you cast a spell with Cascade, you cast it WITHOUT paying it's mana cost. Meaning you can't tap lands for it, so X=0.

>>52312058
>>52312016
I just let him cascade because he was on the verge of getting mad and I think he was one interruption away from going "fuck this gay game", and I want him to keep playing. But next time he cascades into an X spell I'll have to explain that it doesn't work even though I let him do it once.

>>52312016
Just tell him the rules.


If the dude doesn't want to learn the rules, he shouldn't be playing.

I went through plenty of these exact same scenarios, and just went "hunh, now I know better"

>>52312102
And I guaran-fucking-tee that he will bring up that time you let him pay into X, and get ten times madder than he would have if you'd stopped him right there.

>>52312016
Tell him to not be a faggot and learn the rules.
Calling it a "weird ruling" or exception is just fucking retarded. He's clearly inferring that you're cheating, show him the gatherer ruling and ask him if he knows the rules better than the people who literally create the rules.

>>52312085
And he'll say "So I can just say X=100 and pay it for free hurr hurr hurr".

And then you'll show him where in the CR it contradicts that, and he'll throw a tantrum.

>>52312131
To be fair, the Gatherer rulings aren't infallible either. For a good clip there, Rakdos Charm had a Gatherer ruling that said you could use it to dome your opponent's Planeswalkers.

>>52312147
I have three pretty big issues with being the guy who knows the rules in my group.

1. Some people can assume you're rules lawyering whenever convenient.
2. Some people might misremember a ruling you gave and infer that you're ruling differently whenever the circumstances suit you (eg. a guy in my group argued that he could pick the same mode twice with a Command because I did the same two weeks ago; my spell was a Confluence). This reinforces their perception that you're rules lawyering.
3. You may legitimately fuck up and give the wrong ruling once in a while. This happens. We're all human. But this severely reinforces their perception that you're a cheating rules lawyer.

Sometimes I just want to pretend I don't know the rules and let people do whatever the fuck they want. How do you handle this when playing with relative newbies?

>>52312016
Almost forgot to add, I did some Fiend Hunter flicker shenanigans in that same game, which was also met with skepticism. Which made me even more reluctant to correct the cascade play.

>>52312227
Phones,

its incredibly easy to look up the rules, even if you have to dig into the real nitty gritty and point out the specific subsection/line/whatever


If they don't want to abide by them, thats a different issue you will have to address.

>>52312291
I think my best solution at this point would be to get them to look up the rules. No room for doubt if they're looking it up on their own phone.

>>52312131
Can't deny that it could be frustrating though while learning. Such rules can only really be learned when failing to do something in a game.
I love seeing how the rules work so when it happens to me I can roll with it most of the time but even I could get low

>>52312289
Christ, that's rough. I love Fiend Hunter shenanigans, but I'd never run them against my casual playgroup without a goddamn whiteboard to explain the stack to their dumb asses.

>>52312227
I'm the rules guy but when I show them "this is mystic confluence, it specifically says you can pick the same one multiple times. your primal command does not, so it can't" they usually see the light.

I have come across assholes a few times who always insist that you're rules lawyering, but then I just tell them "why don't you learn the fucking rules for yourself if you don't want to rely on other people's knowledge you fucking leech" and they mostly shut up then.

My worst rules lawyering moment.
>been playing with Reconaissance for years, doing that end-of-combat untap shit
>a friend start running it right after the rules change, tries it, tell him "Sorry, that no longer works"
>we both stop running it, then months later I play it again, do the end-of-combat untap, opponent complains. "Oh, they changed the rule again."
>watch opponent mentally flip the table
THANKS WOTC

>>52312413
What happened with reconaissance?

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>>52312458
The changed the oracle wording to say "Use this ability only before the combat damage step" or something (can't remember exact wording).

Then people complained and a while later they removed it so you could once again use it after damage.

>>52311763
Any tips on cards you are using for the Shu Yun deck? Love that commander.

>>52312477
Maybr I'm retarded, but what happens if you stack the activated ability multiple times? Can you get multiple untaps (with visara the dreadful or something) or will it not work because it was removed from combat the first time?

What even happens if you use it on a creature not in combat?

>>52311343
How about Wort the Raidmother, Xenagos, Hidetsugu, howling-mine-on-legs Kami, Experiment Kraj, Edric, or maybe some casual chaos build of Maelstrom Wanderer?

>>52312545
I think that the creature must be in combat in order for the ability to be able to resolve, because after the first ability has been resolved, the creature isn't attacking anymore.
The card states 'target attacking creature', so the creature must be in combat and attacking in order it being targetable.

>>52312646
Ah, so I guess that after the first one resolves, when the others would go to resolve they'll fizzle for having no legal target.

>>52304954
Daxos of Meletis

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>>52303017
>Near-Death Experience
>not the ultimately superior Barren Glory

Pussy shit, man. C'mon.

>>52312789
That's correct. Maze of Ith works with untappers because it doesn't remove the creature from combat. This card is just effectively W :"creatures you control have vigilance", except it has the gustcloak effect which can be sometimes helpful for unfavorable blocks.

>>52312477
>there are people in this thread who do not run Reconaissance in all their white creature-based decks
Why?

>>52311186
>>52311158
Thanks guys! That'll make things a bit easier if I ever need it, I appreciate it!

Also, always good to see you gA, you're always very helpful!

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-03-17-shrek/

critiques?

Is EDHrec having issues right now? Whenever I go to a page for a commander, the links for decks on TappedOut are missing.

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>Have a sacfice-deck closing in on 80 cards due to the thoughts of "I want to include ALL the cards" and tons of 1-ofs
>Buy the Meren precon to transform it into a EDH deck instead,
>all my 1-ofs and all the fun
>Cut away more and more of the old deck
>now realize I didn't really like the reanimator part of the original sacrifice deck, but the aristocrats
How hard did I fuck up?

>>52313529
just swap meren for mazirek and everything will be fine

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>>52301158
>Jazal's activation isn't a once-per-turn

>>52312477
I love using this in Alesha. Makes it so much easier to go about your game-plan when the board clogs up.

as someone who doesn't have the $ to get in to this, are the onlinegames any good? Mostly I'm just wondering if I'm limited to prebuilt decks or if I could just have at it and make whatever.

What do you think of this?
http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/158715254664/30-life-for-1v1-commander

-On MTGO, 1v1 Commander games have had the starting life totals changed to 30.
-On a later date, MTGO will have 1v1 Commander leagues.
-On a later date, MTGO 1v1 commander will have its own banned list.

Gisela or Aurelia as a commander for angel tribal combat trick shenanigans?

>>52299705
>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
Selvala, explorer returned
It's a pub Stomp deck that can't get a lock going fast enough to deal with non 75% decks but utterly destroys casuals
Nobody has fun playing against it, I don't even have fun piloting it anymore but I can't pull it apart

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>>52303017
>>52312851
Now i feel like brewing a suicide win edh. It'll be fun trying to win
>>52313413
I think you need a couple of cards to recover lands from the graveyard in case yawgmoth's tomb gets sent to the graveyard

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>What's that one deck you just can't bring yourself to take apart?
Probably my Kruphix deck, it lost it's edge very quickly but I still can't bring myself to take it apart

>>52314028
Do you have an Aurelia list?

>>52313923
This is objectively an improvement, I'd even move multiplayer commander to 30 life.

40 life is just an absurd life total and it's weening out aggressive strategies.

>>52314002
i mean i've got 3 or 4 ways to get it back in there already

>>52314053
haven't polished or posted it yet so, sadly no

My local EDH meta is really focussed on sorcery combos, and I want to try to bring combat back into the game there.
Any suggestions for commanders to run for fighting/hitting people in the face with creatures?

>>52314245
Sigarda is pretty neat, especially in a spell-heavy meta

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>>52314245
I think I have the man for you.

>>52314245
RURIC THAR

>>52314067
My bad. I quickly looked through it. It looks solid and i like the strategy. Not sure how strong it would be in practice but playtesting it would show how effective it would be.

>>52314245
Xenagos is a popular option too.

>>52314245
Disrupt them. Tear down their spells. Teeg and Ruric are both good, though I like Teeg better since he actually shuts things off rather than just making it hurt a little. And he comes out WAY faster

>>52300042
How do you deal with mono red being mono card disadvantage?

>>52314585
By going fast with bullshit fast mana and using Blade of Selves to cheat out Equipment as fast as possible

>>52314324
Anyone have a Ruric thar deck I could look at?

>>52314585
>implying white isn't the mono card disadvantage color

>>52313413
Paint shrek's face on top of tost's

>>52314618
Just big and dumb g/r
I'll recommend Dragonlair spider and Spellbreaker behemoth

Someone have that pic that's a list commanders by tier?

>>52314940
It's awful anyways, over 80% bullshit.

>>52315068
The one that has Kruphix in a tier that doesn't make me look like an autist.

>>52311343
You can do a Kruphix build that isn't degenerate.

>>52314940
This is pretty close to perfect
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/list-multiplayer-edh-generals-by-tier/

>>52315293
>Kruphix is t3
>Narset isn't t1

Man they really blew it

>>52315293
I understand most of tier 1 to 2 but Yisan in tier 1.5 really confuses me.

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>>52299840
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karn-stax-on-stax-1/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/daretti-alcatraz/

My baes

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My edh decks in a nutshell

>>52315508
you get to infinite mana like the turn after you play yisan

>>52312227
>Thing 1
An incentive for them to learn the rules instead of just depending on you all the time. Alternatively, if your friends don't trust you, fuck em. Point out that you could also be stacking your deck 'whenever convenient'.

>Thing 2
See point 1: Fuck em.

>Thing 3
See point 1.

>>52316015
just become a judge

nobody gonna argue with a judge

>>52315476
>Kruphix is t3
Yeah he's pretty casual but I wouldn't put him in t4 desu
>Narset
Pretty easy to disrupt, costs 6, can't take advantage of blue's counters and needs to not whiff on attack
>>52315517
Yisan is t1.5 because he's not as consistent and has a hard time protecting his permanents. There's a notable difference but it's the enough to warrant a whole tier down.
Mind you t2 decks are still competitively viable, tournament winners brago, Augusta and sidisi ant are still huge decks.

>>52316095
I'd put Kruphix in 2.5. He's really fucking good. I mean, we are talking about optimal builds.

If Narset connects, the game is over.

>>52315637
Leovold

>>52316147
that's a really big "if"

she costs 6 and doesn't naturally have haste

>>52316162
Leovold is awesome. Guy in my playgroup feels bad for playing him. The rest of us enjoy the challenge.

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>>52299840
I have posted it a decent bit recently, but I have been slowly making tweaks here and there.

>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/queen-marchesa-long-may-she-reign-control/

>>52316147
There are better combo gens in that color combo, needs to stick around for a while to get value and really is more of a control commander which doesn't really work in multiplayer at that level.
Tier 2 is still competitive and kruphix is distinctly not. He's closer to high power 75% which is that most people play which might be why you are confused.
I'd like to see a deck list though, people are always brewing lists that have been written off so who knows.

>>52312311
> No room for doubt if they're looking it up on their own phone.
You'd be surprised.

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>>52299840
OK

>>52316147
Same could be said about phage in 1v1. Doesn't make her good.

>>52315293
Such a stupid fucking list.

>>52311191
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-11-14-horde-of-notions/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mogis-god-of-sunshine-and-happiness/

Here you go my friend.

>>52316722
Care to elaborate?

>>52314618
I have one, but it's Oops All Dudes.

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>>52316061
It's adorable that you think that

>>52312477
The first time I experienced reconnaisance being used to untap after combat damage was a derevi player with stasis and kismet in play. Fun.

>>52316663
Phage costs more, doesn't have access to good colors for protecting her, doesn't have built-in Hexproof, and requires extra hoops to jump through to play. Bad comparison.

>>52312227
print out all the rules on some a6 format or a4 if you like it big, turn it into a small book and have the most looked up rules bookmarked

it's easier to have at hand than starting to browse on the phone, also you can literally throw the rules at their face

>>52316799
>Teferi, Thrasios, Yidris and Zur in T1
>fucking Scion in T1.5
>Sidisi in T1.5
>Sedris above T4
Still fucking stupid every time I see it.

>>52317041
>Print out the rules
That would be fairly unwieldy size-wise, and you'd have to update it at least 4 times a year.

>>52317041
>It's easier to print out a several hundred page document every 3 months and carry it around than it is to install an app with the entire rulebook on it on your phone

>>52317167
>Thrasios
But he's so broken if you get infinite mana, so he can find you the actual combo you're going to use that infinite mana to win with! That's Tier 1, even though he is by definition half of a Commander, right?

>>52317254
Yeah dude woah, just like Oona and Tasigur except without black so no tutors.

>>52317277
You realize you play Thrasios with either WB or RB right?

Thrasios is a fucking partner commander you retard.

>>52317277
and your Commander's only function is to find your actual win-con, rather than BE that win-con, defeating the entire purpose of a combo-centric Commander (that one key piece of it is always available to you)

>>52317302
So, instead of assembling a 2 card combo for infinite mana to pour into Thrasios so you can assemble your other 2+ card combo to actually win

Why would you not just play a 2-card combo that wins by itself? Thrasios is a fucking meme that people are forcing.

>H-he's a really good commander if you build it as a 5 color goodstuff deck that only ever uses him for this one specific 8 piece combo!

>>52317334
>>52317305
Jesus christ you're retarded.

Thrasios is so strong because he turns every single infinite mana combo into a win.

Infinite mana does not always mean you win the game. You also need a card to win using that mana. Thrasios makes it so that you always have that available.

He wins you the game with EVERY infinite mana combo. PLURAL. Instead of finding that one card that wins you the game with your commander, sticking it to the board and casting it, your goal is to assemble one of the multiple infinite mana combos in your deck.

It also has the benefit of not being seen coming from a fucking mile away.

>>52316493
can i get that dralnu list senpai

>>52317438
>Thrasios is so strong because he turns every single infinite mana combo into a win.
Or you could just use a Commander that does that without "turns it into a win" being "digs until you find the combo, if nobody has removal".

Oona wins with every infinite mana combo. So does Tasigur. They aren't "Get an infinite mana combo, then play your Commander, then get your ACTUAL combo, then win" as some convoluted 5 card 'combo'. They're literally "generate infinite mana, win".

And your argument of 'not being seen coming' falls apart if this is a good deck. If it's "Tier 1", then everyone's going to know exactly what you're doing.

>>52317438
Every thread

Every fucking thread this moron shills Thrasios as the most unbeatable deck in the universe

>>52314585
Just win the game before card advantage becomes a problem. :^)

>>52317508
This is literally the first time I've discussed Thrasios on 4chan.

>>52317498
How can you be this fucking dumb?

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TASIGUR, OONA OR THRASIOS.

ALL WIN THE GAME WITH INFINITE MANA.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT THRASIOS HAS ONE ADDITIONAL COLOR, MAKING IT TIER 1.

>>52317498
The reason I see appeal in him is the fact he is a two drop and in some cases gets you a step closer to your combo since you can partner and have a 98 card deck.

Also he says you draw the card, not add it to your hand which is relevant sometimes.

>>52317551
>>52317498
Also that his mana can be strictly colorless.

>>52317546
>Adding access to the literal worst color in the format, which you don't use for a single one of your combos, defending your combos, or finding your combos, at the expense of an actually useful card in your deck, makes the deck 'tier 1'

>>52317568
You mean generic.

And unless the combo you're "setting up" with him can also function off of generic mana, that argument falls apart.

>>52317546
>This is literally the first time I've discussed Thrasios on 4chan.
So tell me why someone uses your exact same arguments every time tiers or Thrasios or Partner gets brought up, and throws an autismal fucking tantrum when nobody believes their precon is Tier 1?

>>52317579
white adds the most reliable infinite combo to the deck

>>52317579
>expense of actually useful card in your deck
Yeah, the worst part about partners is how your deck size shrinks.
Every time I go to a modern tournament, I show up with my 200 card deck because it plays ALL my good cards! More cards is good!!!!!

>>52317613
You weren't arguing for white, fucksack, you were arguing for R/B. You don't get to change the goalposts.

>>52317613
Not the person you were replying too, but curious- what combo is that?

>>52317656
what? i just got here

>>52317633
Because taking exactly 1 card out of 99 is such an enormous advantage.

>>52317668
>I never post on 4chan
>I just got here
>This is the first time I've ever heard of EDH
(you)

>>52317666
auriok salvagers + LED

buried alive plus any reanimator spell sets it up by putting trinket mage, salvagers, and angel of glory's rise in the yard

>>52317590
Not entirely since you get the lands at least, amulet of vigor exists but now I am just being picky.

The guy is good just not great, either way no matter what someones commander is you should be worried how it fits into their plan.

Fear those who play the "perfect" deck and those who play jank because either one can suddenly twist the game.

Let nothing resolve, that which does should be removed immediately.

>>52317611
I guess it's because they are upset at how someone can not realize something this blindingly obvious?

>>52317656
The post is in this very fucking thread. It said wb *OR rb.

>>52317673
You claimed it was a FUCKING DISADVANTAGE.

Jesus christ, you're really upset people are calling Thrasios better than your Tasigur deck.

>>52317590
Green blue is the color that basically centers on gameplay that autistic people enjoy. They all are solitaire decks.

>>52317686
was someone arguing for red in thrasios decks? that's unfortunate, white is so much better

>>52317708
Let's just keep adding cards to this fucking 8 card combo that's so strong it's Tier 1 and somehow beats Food Chain Tazri.