EDH/Commander General /edhg/

Asking again, need advice for this Saskia infect + combat deck. Are there any cards that are significantly off-theme?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saskia-the-brass-knuckles/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-maelstrom-enters-the-battlefield/

What are my win-cons supposed to look like for Maelstrom Wanderer? Just let it hit the field then get value? Or is there something I'm missing?

Not me, but I literally yesterday saw a game with 2 players playing 1v1 player a has mind's dilation on the field and nothing else.
Player B has an ugin ultimate ready to go and goes to his main phase and plays the card he drew: Nicol Bolas Planeswalker. Player A triggers mind's dilation and flips chaos warp and warps ugin and counters the Bolas with a shit counterspell.
I've never seen worse play in my life.

>>52245621
Attacking three times after blowing everything up is a solid win con

any cool tricks I can pull in a Yasova deck? Besides stealing stuff and not giving it back with food chain/ggood/cold storage/etc.

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>>52245929
>Willbreaker
>Steal their shit forever

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>Splice Onto Kodama's Reach
>Arcbond Fuck You
>Cantrip into 30+ cards automatically

Any other fun suggestions for this one?

>>52245929
>synod sanctum and dominus of fealty
>Now take their permanents away from them
>Proteus staff
>Polymorphs a creature for you and puts their's in the bottom of their library

>>52245929
Pull multiple combats.

Cumber Stone blunts your enemies and gives Yasova extra reach

Sword of Feast and Famine, Hellkite Charger, aggravated assault... all good on their own, good with yasova, and win together.

>>52246049
Rite of Replication.

>>52246049
>Any other fun suggestions
Playing a legal commander.

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post DEVILISH cards

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>>52245929

>>52246126
Shut the hell up and give it a rest. If a group allows it, then it's fine.

>>52245513
that card's art is an accurate depiction of the player's face when he casts Dubious Challenge

>>52237148
why?

>>52245513
that art is an accurate depiction of what a player feels like when they cast Dubious Challenge

>>52246373
Azorius is already the guild for fun police douchebags, and the absurd amounts of value Brago pulls off just makes it worse. Enjoy having all your shit bounced or exiled or tapped forever.

>>52246131
>I'm gonna pay you $20 to shut the fuck up

>>52246099
right, i got charger, sofaf is a good suggestion.

My plan b is generally goodstuff - fires, temur ascendancy, anger, bbe, shit like that.

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>>52245513

Post 'em.

>>52245795
Holy shit that's hilarious

>>52246126
I play Simic Ezuri and Trostani homerule'd to have partner.
Fight me

>>52246502
I keep forgetting to make mine. I think it's time to change this.

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>haven't played EDH in forever
>play against some old friends for the first time in over a year
>4+ hour game
>barely eke out a win
Feels good man.

Ended the game with 4 cards in library, almost half my deck in exile, and 20 damage from my own commander. I tried at least 3 different win combos, and had one of them countered 3 times (had Swan Song and Pact of Negation on backup and it just wasn't enough).

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>>52246502
I've got a Saskia combat & infect deck I need advice for, and a pope deck that has only ever won in 1v1 when I got shipbreaker kraken out

I fucking love this card so much...

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>>52246502
My active unit

If you have one good creature with Morph in your deck, is it worth it to add another decent creature with Morph just to keep your opponents guessing? Assuming you play with a regular group, of course.

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>>52246502
okay sure

>>52246749
If your secondary morph isn't good enough to merit being a part of the 99 beyond trying to conceal your primary morph, then no. If both morphs are good, then yes.

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>>52246685
got a list for that sisters deck?

>>52246502
pic related

>>52246926
Not yet, although I should probably get to that.

Anyone got any fun ideas or lists for Newzuri?

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>>52246502
Hello again

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>>52246502
okay

>>Thread question
>>Ever snatched defeat from the jaws of victory? What's the most epic fuck-up you've succumbed to in a game of EDH?

Many Times with Nekusar somebody will go infinite right before i manage to kill them with wheels.
The worst fuckup I had was somebody was playing Memnarch and had Mycrosyn out and I forgot it turns all permanents into artifacts and I ended up playing a boardwipe for artifacts(cant remember which one) and accidentally blew up everything.

anyway Anybody have any tips or advice for my nekusar list I want to add more control but cant find much of anything to cut from my pillowfort and wheel stuff

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/wheel-pillowfort-tribal/

>>52247126
>face cards are different sized
This upsets me greatly

>>52247141
sorry threw it together in five minutes will fix later

>>52247119
have a slobad list?

>>52247126
With Oloro having a pillowfort subtheme is generally fine, but in my experience you really want to choose between control or lifegain, don't do both. If you choose lifegain you should put in all the cards that shoot through the roof in value by paying life (necropotence, ad nauseam and necrologia if you want to make a nasty lifegain combo deck, lifegain can actually be pretty strong in a combo shell).

If you choose control you should just go 100% on the pillowfort, adding glacial chasm, island sanctuary, solitary confinement, righteous aura, moat and forcefield if you have them, and of course the usual pillowfort package. Then go with a shitton of wipes and removal (ashes to ashes and slaughter are my favourite removal spells in Oloro) and use some kind of combo as your wincon, I've seen pretty strong Oloro decks that only have labman as a wincon.

If you choose lifegain, don't hesitate to actually cast Oloro (if you're in a meta that isn't too competitive), if you have enough gain sources the card draw does get absolutely ridiculous.
Oloro draws a lot of hate, but doesn't really draw a lot of removal. Most people think that he's kinda meh on the battlefield and just ignore him since you can never get rid of his ability, but the draw is deceptively strong.

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>>52246131

>>52247434
especially with an equisite blood, that shit will ruin your opponent's day with mana to spare

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>>52246131

text because duplicate reply warning?

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>>52246131

This one can backfire but it's pretty consistent in keeping fatties off the table.

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>>52246131

And this is one of my all-time favorites for non-green, non-blue, non-black decks.

Any advice for a Krenko, goblin tribal deck?
What are some must-have gobbos?

>>52247623
Purphoros.

He should be a goblin god.

>>52247623
Goblin chiurgin for tapping down the opponents shit, goblin chieftain, goblin piledriver, goblin war marshall, goblin king, warren instigator. Clickslither and purphorous are also notable wincons.

What are some targets that would make Thespian's Stage worth running?

>>52247731
serra sanctum, nykthosm cabal coffers, gaia's cradle, Vesuva (beacause if it enter and copies Stage after Stage has already copied something, it will become that copied land AND keep the Stage switching ability for as long as its in play)

>>52247731
Valakut, Emeria, lands that give two mana (Ravnica or Temple of false gods), anything under song of dryads or moonjail

>>52247731
Non-legendary lands that produce all types of mana, non-legendary utility lands, Scorched Ruins

Though honestly, Vesuva is far superior

>>52247784
>>52247731
sorry when I said Serra's Sanctum and Nykthos I meant to say Deserted Temple, so that you can untap your Legendary lands a second time.

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>>52247795
>anything under song of dryads or moonjail

>>52247795
I still think it's completely silly that this works the way it does.

>>52247839
You know what to do. It does what you think it does. Yes, it also keeps the switch land ability

>>52246502
Little late to the party, but here's mine. Forgot 1 update, replaced Tariel with Queen Marchesa.

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>>52248405
aaand forgot image. Derp.

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Anyone put sub-optimal cards in their solely because of their art?

>>52245513

Okay this is going to sound retarded but can I do this?

>activate scroll rack
>hand is in exile
>sac mindslicer have all my opponents lose their hands
>get my hand back with scroll rack

>>52248635
I would if I had one of those.

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>>52247623
Heres some spicey tech

>>52247731
Unless you're in black for coffers, or you REALLY like your nykthos, it's more about targets your opponents have than what you have in your deck. Cradle in non-green creature decks is very good still. Most lands you want are legendary so doubling your own is a no go.

>>52248717
No. You can't have a triggered ability activate and resolve in the middle of an already-activated ability. They resolve in order.

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>>52248717
use this instead of scroll rack

>>52248422
I'm interested in the Trostani, Lili, and Kolaghan lists.

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>>52246502
Only Jeleva is meant as pure multiplayer deck, running sol-ring. Atraxa is on the other end, being mainly duel commander, although she can build up enough to be a threat in multiplayer too.

>>52248422
>When I used to have a Tariel angel tribal deck
>When Tariel was so bad as a commander that I switched her for zurgo and put her in the 99
>When Tariel was so bad that I took her out of the 99
>When she was basically my only reason for running black
>When I took out Zurgo and all the black cards and am now running Aurelia/Gisela

I really wanted to run Tariel but she's such a bad commander and I can't stand playing with bad, non-synergistic cards.

>>52248973
Sure thing. Here's all of them:
http://tappedout.net/users/MelkorBauglir/deck-folders/

>>52249124
Yeah, I only ran her for her colors. Soon as a more usable Mardu generel came out, I grabbed it and switched.

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>>52248635
Alms Beast (*without* False Cure or Tainted Remedy, not even in Hug) might be my staple play, but it definitely qualifies.

>Killing Wave
>sub-optimal
what? I can't think of a game where I've cast that and not ruined everyone's day.

>>52249269
I just don't like giving them the option and since I'm in B/W, I feel like I have better access to wipe/drain.

>>52249233
Many thanks, anon.

>>52249331
You're also in BW. You could be gaining a LOT of life to keep your own board while everyone else melts. Under the circumstances I'd see it as a Plague Wind variant, which is harder to come by than a generic wipe.

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>>52245513
>Ever snatched defeat from the jaws of victory? What's the most epic fuck-up you've succumbed to in a game of EDH?

>playing angry omnath
>low life (less than 20) because I ate a lot of early aggro, but
>have 11 fucking tokens in play, an overwhelming stampede in hand, and blasphemous act to make sure everyone dies
>decide to go for the dick-stroking overkill and cast scapeshift since I have the mana and the blue player got boil'd
>kurkesh player reverberates it and kills me with valakut
GOD
FUCKING
DAMNIT

>>52249456
No problem, happy to share my creations.

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>had a long discussion with group
>successfully rallied for everyone to build a Nephilim deck
>tfw Witch-Maw Exalted inbound

Fuck yes. I'm so excited.

>>52249269
>>52249506
It doesn't even come close to a Plague Wind, think of it more like an alternative Languish. You're going to get rid of weenies and chump blockers, but if there are any actual real threats on the board, that shit's going to stay.
The only exception is if you have lots of big black mana, but in that case why not run the actual Plague Wind, or just Exsanguinate for the win?

>>52249683
but that art though

>>52245513

Funnily enough it was probably last night. I had to tap Strip Mine for mana and tap out to counter a thing with Draining Whelk. Next dude up casts Emrakul, Promised End, targeting me. I have Razia's Purification in hand.

Do you know how to beat a 13/13 with only an Island? Asking for a friend.

SHU YUN PLAYERS

How do you gas back up after dumping your hand to one-shot someone?

>>52249805
cast past in flames then one shot another person, duh.

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>>52249754
:^)

>>52249805
Past in Flames, Bosium Strip, Reforge the Soul, Wheel of Fortune

>>52249754
Void Snare

Who's the absolute strongest monoB commander?

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>>52251909
Braids, Cabal Minion. She was too pure for this world.

Anyone have luck picking up stuff on OfferUp? Seems like a slightly better alternative to CL.

>>52251909
Chainer

>>52251998
Please stop viral advertising. Just make a quality product and people will use it. If you need to trick people into using your product you're making a bad product.

>>52252048
uhh not tricking anyone, it does sound like a shill ass post, but no, I just found out about it today.

someone posted the r/w 2015 precon for 10 bucks and I'm trying to scoop. pretty sure it's just stolen, but eh.

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>>52252095

>>52251909
I hear good things about Sidisi. Commanders who tutor for cards tend to be stronger. I'd give honorable mention to Erebos though for being consistent card draw and a good mana sink in the command zone.

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What cards in white and black can reliably profit from this card?

I'm already playing the Soul Sisters and a few cards with extort, which can counteract the lose of life, but how can I repeatedly profit from that free mana on my opponents turns?

I've already got Greed, Erebos and Vampiric Rites.

>>52252787
Forgot to mention I'm also running Martyr of Sands, which is what inspired me to get Carnival of Souls in the first place.

>>52252001
This. Need to build one myself.

best monored commander? in general or terms of versatility- currently running Kazuul as a stand in since hidetsugu gets wiped as soon as he hits the table

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Wincon for a UB deck full of clones?

Can Gary do it?

>>52253036
Doubtful

>>52253006
Feldon probably takes the cake for most versatile, the strongest probably goes to daretti though.

>>52253044
never doubt the gay merchant of ass-fondle.

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>>52251993
how about her weird ogre half brother?

>>52253036
It does autowin with a rite of rep with kicker, but considering most of your clones won't have the right color devotion (assuming you have been cloning other people's stuff) they won't hit for a lot when you are cloning once or twice.

Maybe with a lot of reanimation too.

whats some spicy dralnu tech you guys got?

>>52253348
this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02twvxQM7NA

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>>52251998
>>52252130
this site is adorable

>>52253036
there's also kokusho

>>52253810
>7,5k
Literally what?

>>52253981
LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF CARDS

>>52254011
i do wish i had a collection of 7.5k basic lands and craw wurms

What generals do you hate because you exactly know how they'll gonna play the moment you spot them?

>>52254056
most of the 2013 commander product commanders

derevi especially

on the other hand, i fucking love it when people play obscure tribals and theme decks. i saw a guy playing grixis vampire tribal with gorza zul and i had immense respect for him

>>52254069
Marath is quite versatile however, it can be played as enchantress, tokens, combo etc. with reasonable success.

>>52247126
Mine was while playing nekusar too.
I had a great board position with multiple Howling Mine effects + Niv-Mizzet and Curiosity in hand so I could've combo'd off easily but my opponents weren't really threatening so I just durdled around because I didn't want to win that game with the combo.
Right as i pass my turn I notice the 30+ flying tokens one of my opponents made last round.
I conceded in his upkeep because I was at around 20 life and niv-mizzet was my only blocker

>>52245513
I still don't understand why Dubious Challenge exists. It's One With Nothing tier, and even One With Nothing has more uses.

>>52253150
How would one make an Aku deck?

>>52254333
You could say it's a dubious card

>>52254333
Notice that it says "put the rest onto the battlefield under your control".
In a creature heavy deck, especially if you have removal ready, It can actually be enormous value. Just very risky.

>>52247623
Rites of initiation is a good pump spell when you're ready to kill someone/everyone.

>>52254333
I've used it in elfball to some success.
Revealing 6 mana dorks with garbage P/T is pretty fucking hilarious, not to mention the immense value. It sucks when your opponent gets a craterhoof, but since it's a sorcery he can't win from it.

>>52254435
You do realize it only grabs two creatures total right?

>>52254556
Why would you give him a Craterhoof?

>>52254011
>>52254029
Well, to be fair, there's 3 sliver queens in thee picture. Dunno if they're the only value cards though.

>>52253036
Okay, here's the plan.
Play Lazav, clone tribal. Use a lot of mill universal, and lull them into a false sense of security with how trashy your deck seems.
Then you play Gary, followed by Patriarch's Bidding for Shapeshifter.

>>52254333
It has some niche uses, Homeward Path being the most notable. It's also politics in multiplayer.

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http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/dusk-dawn/
Does it have a place in decks going wide like weenies and soldier tribal?

>>52254572
Opponent chooses the card. It's better to pick two cards if you only hit craterhoof + one other. At least you're getting something.
>>52254435
It only exiles two cards. You can get maximum of 2 creatures and that is if your opponent doesn't want one for some reason.

>>52254333
I have seen a player use it in 60 card constructed with flickerwisp/glimmerpoint stag and emrakul so that your opponent takes emrakul and you just blink it back to your side. after they figure out what's going on their best option is to just let you have emrakul and blink something of their own for value.

and it just so happens congregation at dawn curves into challenge to set it up. It's still probably garbage for commander when so many better options exist.

I'm moving away from t1 commander and starting to play in paper more, does anyone still post duel commander? Sometimes I just need to play in a competitive environment but the ban list for multiplayer had made t1 games pretty stale.

>>52254757
Fuck that's adorable. Now I'm pissed that I can't ever think of anything clever like that.

>>52254333
Flicker?
Though I guess in a flicker deck you will want etb creatures so still get value

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>>52254996
> commander
> tiers
Stop with this shit

>>52254757
this is spicy as fuck and i love it

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>>52254996
Or how about you play an actual competitive format?

>>52254996
why not just play highlander

you'll have less people calling you a retard for playing competitive commander anyway

>>52252095
They way you type makes me not want to go to your website.

>>52255593
Tiers are real Anyone who claims that tuned Hunding Gjornersen can compete meaningfully with a tuned Grand Arbiter Augustin IV or Brago is kidding themselves.

The shit that needs to be stopped with is tryhard t1 EDH.

>>52246126
EDH is a casual format and if the dude's play group lets him use it it's fine. Though wotc might as well errata them into legendaries by this point.

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>keep a hand with Burgeoning and two lands
>play Burgeroning, say go
>next guy plays land, I play land
>"this is a bit scary, Revoke Existence your Burgeroning"
>theyllneverknow.tif

>>52256034
I'm not saying they aren't real. Just saying tiers in commander is downright retarded and goes against the point of the format. The level of nastiness in decks is so dependent on the individual meta that using tiers to separate decks is meaningless and stupid. Its a format where the banlist is small and the card pool enormous. You shouldn't have to worry about tiers in a format where creativity in deck building is key.

>>52254996
>Sometimes I just need to play in a competitive environment
then don't play commander

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-great-cycle/

should i turn it to a jarad deck? or just go mimeoplasm? im torn between the two ideas

>>52254996
Someone post the pic of the spike that can't find a competitive format of his liking

Thinking about rebuilding a big black mana deck have Erebos, Kokusho, & Gonti but havent decided who I want yet. Anybody have a decklist

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>>52254996
The modern and legacy threads are down the road

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How many of the cards in your decks to you buy outright versus trading/opening packs/etc.? I know a few people who say it's more satisfying to build a deck with whatever you can find around you, but that seems like it'd lead to shitty decks that don't work how you want them to.

>>52257163
That image sums things up perfectly, doesn't it?

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>tfw cards in the mail

>>52257188
I generally buy a legendary I want to build around and use what I have and fill in the rest with my lgs 50 cent bin then upgrade from there over time. This alows you to find cheap and easily upgradable synergy and ways to beat much more expensive decks with cheap interaction.

>>52257243
>tfw more excited to get cards in the mail than actually using them

>>52257274
you know me too well, anon

>>52257274
>this

>>52253810
>Brockton
Holy shit this is like 20 minutes away. It's also a genuine shithole.

Gonna go haggle with this guy.

>>52257403
>this guy
I count seven of them, you need to bring reinforcements or else they're gonna mob you

>>52256066
>revoke existence with 1 mana

>>52257482
What is Simian/Elvish spirit guide. What is Chancellor of the Tangle. What is Lotus Petal.

>>52257529
>wasting an elvish spirit guide/lotus petal to nuke a 1 mana enchantment
kys

>>52257246
So you buy whatever you can find at your lgs to fill your initial deck? Does that work out? I'm thinking my lgs has fewer singles than most, because I doubt I'd be able to do that.

>>52257544
Never underestimate poor threat assessment.

>>52257482
>>52257544
>>52257529

you know theres always the possibility that the guy casting revoke existence was on his turn 2

>>52257559
I've seen some really bad plays but I refuse to believe somebody can be that stupid. Besides, barely anybody in the format even plays those cards, and when they do, it certainly isn't to fuel their spot removal.
>>52257594
The greentext implies otherwise though

>>52257529
A much simpler explanation would be that he was the last player and the revoke happened on turn 2 of the first player

>>52257556
well there are around 3 in my area so i make my rounds and occasionally our group does the 50 cent bin challange where we pick a general less that 5 dollars and make the most competitive deck we can we dollar and below cards and sometimes these decks get sculpted over time to be very competitive

>>52257620
>The greentext implies otherwise though
No it doesn't. The poster may have been last in order so he was on turn 1, the next guy was on turn 2.

>>52246126
Anon, you're 100% correct.

Does paying life count as losing life?
Can you pay more life than you actually have?
Lich's Tomb + Aetherflux Reservoir

>>52257763
you can't pay life costs unless you have the life

so no, you can't drop lich's tomb and use aetherflux reservoir with 0 life

>>52257763
Paying life counts ass life loss, because ou are in fact losing life.
You can also only pay what you have. If you have no life, you can't pay with it, like you can't sacrifice creatures for costs if you control none. Like you can't get infinite mana with Platinum Angel and Treasonous Ogre.

>>52254705
Yes.

>>52257820
>>52257869
Damn. So not only would those be useless together, you can't actually use the Reservoir at all unless you have 50+ life.

>>52257911
Even if you could it would be useless as you'd be dead as soon as you passed priority, which you would have to for anything to resolve.

>>52257995
It would be useful as a deterrent in multiplayer games.
>fuck with me and I kill us both
Guess I should probably just run Exsanguinate instead, since I don't think I'm actually running anything that can exploit infinite mana at the moment.

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I want to have fun with all kinds of tokens in a pretty highly competitive play group. Should i play Rhys, Trostani or Marath?

>>52258054
That's not how that works. If you die, everything on the stack controlled by you immediately leaves the game. So, you'd pass priority, die, and the activated ability of the reservoir leaves the game.

>>52258196
>Wizards in charge of having fun

>>52258239
>lol let's just ignore the rules I'm just gonna play all my lands at the same time on my opponent's turn and tutor for cards at random lol fun lol

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>>52257147

Here ya go, friendo

>>52258137
>Rhys
Aggressive deck
>Trostani
Cockroach deck
>Marath
Combo deck

Pick your poison

>>52258974
>Not just playing legacy.

I also don't see how the autists on this board can't comprehend that the goal of a game is to win, but that winning in certain ways is unacceptable. I hate this general.

>>52259111
If you accept the conceit that the goal is to win, then any means to win within the confines of the rules is fair game and it doesn't make sense to exclude. The more correct perspective would be that the goal is commander isn't to "win", it's to make the table have "the most fun", which doesn't exclude you from winning, but does encompass the goals of what most people want to see. The problem is that it's pretty tough to quantify "fun".

>>52258974
This is literally me.

In my defense my local shop literally doesn't play anything except commander anymore, and I don't want to pay €40 for a train trip to the capital to play some standard or modern.

>>52249805
Play predominantly cantrips

>>52259213
A rule of thumb is avoid overly oppressive strategies like MLD or commanders/combos that let you win at turn 3-4 out of nowhere. Usually as long as everyone has had his turn 6-7 and has done some shit they will walk out of the game with some fun in their pockets.
The limits vary a lot from group to group but that stuff is almost universally not appreciated in multiplayer games.

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Hey guys, i'm a new player and i build an aleesha edh deck. I recently added a few cards and i noticed i might have an infinite combo, but i'm not sure and wanted to ask. Here is how it goes:
Reveillark and Goblin Bombardment (or any free sac outlet) on the field, play felidar guardian or fiend hunter, exile reveillark. Before the revwillark trigger resolves i sac the guardian or the hunter. Reveillark returns to the field. Then the trigger on the stack resolves and brings back guardian or fiend hunter and another creature with power two or less, repeat for infinite graveyard resurrection or for lethal with goblin bombardment.
Is this correct?

>>52259707
>Reveillark and Goblin Bombardment (or any free sac outlet) on the field, play felidar guardian or fiend hunter, exile reveillark.
This is where it fucks up.
>Before the revwillark trigger resolves i sac the guardian or the hunter.
>Reveillark returns to the field.
>Then the trigger on the stack resolves and brings back guardian or fiend hunter and another creature with power two or less, repeat for infinite graveyard resurrection or for lethal with goblin bombardment.

You're very close, but Reveillark's LTB ability requires targets when it's put on the stack, not when it resolves. And you can't sac Felidar Guardian or Fiend Hunter before their triggers resolve, either. It would require a trigger like Restoration Angel or Saffi Combosdotter. Keep looking, I'm sure you'll find something.

>>52245513
>Ever snatched defeat from the jaws of victory?
Yeah, just recently managed to snag a win Jhoira that for a long time looked completely hopeless. Had suspended an Enter the Infinite early together with an Artisan of Kozilek, that would secure my victory if it resolved. Predictably it didn't, but meanwhile I became everyone's number one priority elimination.

By the time it came to cast it one of my opponents had drawn a counterspell, or maybe he had kept it the entire time; I don't know. Regardless it got countered, but the Artisan resolved and promptly smacked the player who countered my easy win. By now I thought for sure that there was no way I'd win as I was down in my lower 20's while my opponent's, one of whom was playing Oloro were all in their 40's and above, and I had drawn practlcally nothing but lands since my early turns.

Afterwards one of my other opponents played a kicked Cyclonic Rift. However, by this time I had enough mana avaible to hardcast the Artisan and proceeded to smack that opponent for making everyone's -- though mine in particular -- life's harder. That opponent seemed unphased by this, however, as he played Armageddon the next turn, leaving me with an Artisan and a tapped Monolith and everyone else with virtually nothing. Everyone agreed that he deserved to get eldrazi slapped again, killing him.

Next another opponent was able to draw just the right number of lands before drawing a removal spell for my Artisan, quickly followed by me drawing a wheel effect into a take a extra turn turn card followed by me taking yet another extra turn which in itself didn't result in much but resulted in me being ahead enough of my opponents to be able to play more eldrazis and eventually win through it all.

>>52259707
It works with Felidar Guardian (not fiend hunter), but you need to sac Felidar guardian while it's trigger is on the stack and then resolve the trigger flickering Revillark to get Felidar Guardian back.

>>52259893
You're right, I thought Felidar Guardian's ability required him to be on the battlefield when it resolved, like Banisher Priest. My bad.

>>52259707
With a sac outlet and Kiki-Jiki, you could do infinite resurrection.

>>52259893
So play guardian->his trigger goes on the stack->sac him->trigger resolves->reveillark leaves the battlefield->finds guardian but then who returns first? The blinked reveillark or the guardian from the graveyard?

>>52259972
Do i need kiki jiki? Reveillark gets me two creatures (almost all in the deck are 2 or less power anyway), one is the combi piece, the other is a creature with power 2 or less of my choice.

>>52260119
The Guardians ability completely resolves, so Revillark will leave and enter the battlefield before it's 'Leave the Battlefield' trigger goes on the stack and resolves returning the Guardian to repeat the loop.

What is the least frustrating monoblue commander to play against, other than talrand.

>>52260119
You don't need Kiki-Jiki, but if you're looking for more combo pieces he is one.

>>52260184
Arcum

>>52260164
Wow this is cool. I just threw some cards together that synergise with aleesha, so i'm happy i found that combo by accident.

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>>52259707
Karmic guide, karmic guide, karmic guide.

>>52260119
If the Felidar trigger is resolving you have to resolve the entire thing. Which means lark left and came back which puts the lark trigger on the stack choosing targets of Felidar, which you sacced with its own trigger on the stack and some other combo piece.

I would put kiki in just so that you have another way to abuse guardian/resto Angel/karmic guide/etc.

Do you have a decklist?

>>52260256
I could make you one if you like to.
Karmic guide is on my want list and i'll get him with my next big order. For now i'm happy with the felidar combo that works.

>>52259870
>I can't read: The Post

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Lets play: Guess the deck.

>>52260184
Oh, LEAST frustrating? I assume you don't mean unplayable shit like Taniwha or Reveka. How about:
Tromokratis
Thassa
Thada Adel
Sakashima
Padeem
Muzzio
Keiga
Jalira
Alhammarret

I'm building a Sakashima deck at the moment and it's the most vanilla deck I've made - no win combos, you just counter stuff and copy stuff along with a couple splashy effects like Eternal Dominion.

>>52259707
>>52260119
You don't. As >>52260256 said, Karmic Guide is a great partner for Reveillark, as is Mirror Entity and Body Double. Some of the things you can do is continuasly recur Venser, Shaper Savant to bounce all of your opponent's permanents, or bring back Murderous Redcap to deal lethal to everyone.

>>52260361
I actually can't for the moment. I am drunk as fuck. Thanks for caring. I would give you a cookie if i had arms.

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>>52254705
DORAN
O
R
A
N

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>4 player game including a Mayael player
>He has a board full of fatties, including Archetype of Endurance and Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
>Easily takes a player from 36 to 0 in one turn
>My turn next, draw a wrath
>Oh thank Christ
>Cast it
>Mono blue player counters it

>>52260443
Wow. I might actually have to build Doran after this.

That is spicy,

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>>52260482
>implying he wasn't already spicy

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>>52260482
>4 mana for a 40/40

>>52260621
>with defender

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>>52260811
assault formation
Animate Wall
Colossus of Akros
Wakestone Gargoyle
Warmonger's Chariot

>>52260621
>>52260811
>>52260947

still works better with vhati il-dal

>>52260241
>>52260243

I'd definetely play kiki-jiki, because with restoration angel, zealous conscripts, and village bell ringer, you get an alternative infinite combo. Also, with splinter twin, bell ringer/conscripts make an infinite number of tokens as well.

>>52260377
daretti?

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>>52260351
Do it faggot.

Postem

>>52259064
>making them seperate
>not having all 3 in Ghaji/Marath

>>52260377
Zada player infuriated with the blue players in his group.

The Koth + Possibility Storm is throwing me off.

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>>52261479
I'm on mobile, so i can't write it all down. Non english cards are reconnaissance, burried alive, solemn simulacrum and sub titan. I know my dual lands are shit but this is my first edh deck, I'll upgrade over time.

>>52246049
this is /edhg/ not houserules general.

>>52258974
>vintage
gets me every time.

>>52251909
I play Sidisi mono black good stuff. Use cards like Corpse Dance and Dawn of the dead to tutor every turn for whatever you need. Deck is really fun if you just like doing what black does best.

>>52254705
Alesha will love this

>>52261479

wtf is this deck lol

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>>52257243
>tfw cards never arrive

Is it time to pick up Kozilek, blightsteel and Jin gitaxias for Jhoira?

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>>52257243
>tfw cards arrive and then their price goes up

>>52262626
EDH is the only format where houserules are normal. If his group has agreed on it, then it's fine. Get over it.

>>52263211
Nobody cares about your house rules stop posting.

>>52254757
Phage + Torpor Gryff is funny too

Anyone built a Karona deck? I'm thinking of just filling it with cards that incentivize others to attack everyone but me.

>>52252787
Endrek Sahr is a fun one.

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Since the judge is off tonight, Imma ask you assholes: can I use Deadeye Navigator to blink Dualcaster mage multiple times on one spell? How does the stack work?

>>52263251
You can stop shitting things up. He asked for advice and you replied with the usual shit that people already said. Piss off.

>>52263567
Cast a spell, the stack looks like this: Spell
Cast dualcaster mage, the stack looks like this:
Dualcaster ETB
Spell

Since soulbond and the ETB are both "when ... enters the battlefield" you can stack them however you wish, so make it look like:

Soulbond
Dualcaster ETB
Spell

Soulbond resolves, now you can blink Dualcaster, making the stack look like this:

Dualcaster ETB
Dualcaster ETB
Spell

Repeat what you did with the soulbond trigger the first time to make as many copies as you wish.

>>52263662
Deadeye Navigator was a mistake

>>52263978

That's a very mana intensive combo. Generally, if you can pull off that much mana per turn, you deserve to win.

>>52264067

It's a Mizzix deck bruv. But yeah it's a late game play.

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It's been a long time since I've played (no local EDH scene) but what the hell.

I still have to update all my UG decks from when Prophet got banned.

Any new spicy memes I've missed since the four color commanders?

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>>52245513
Imagine if your opponent didn't have a choice in gaining a creature.

>>52264223
>Sky swallower or leveller

Wanna make a new clone/copy/steal ( or shapeshifter tribal) deck. Tired of Lazav.

Should I go The Mimeoplasm or Riku of Two Reflections?

Disciple of Bolas on Slithermuse, which one happens first?

>>52265358
Slithermuse is sacrificed as part of an ability resolving.

If I want to make an infect EDH, should my commander be Karador or Domia?
No, I dont want Atraxa

>>52266350
Mimeoplasm and Skithiryx are the usual infect commanders.

Okay EDH, my play group allows full proxy decks and one dude has super pissed us off.
Anyone have a deck list for as extreme a stax deck as possible?

>>52265358
Would only work if Disciple of Bolas had flash.

>>52266591
What the fuck did you think would happen?

So I drafted mm17 today and got a damnation. I'm bit newer to magic but I know its a good card. Guy whose box we drafted from is doing another draft tomorrow and told me he'd let me draft in exchange for the damnation and $5. Is that worth or am I getting ripped off?

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>Fuck your tokens nigga

>>52266932
Damnation is honestly extremely overrated. Its reputation comes from being an iconic color shifted card that was hard to get a hold of. Its fine, good even, but its not like a must have staple black card imo. But Im a spike and play in a group with very tuned decks so.

>>52266932
Assuming that you a) don't want to use the card, b) pay $30 to draft normally and c) like drafting enough that you'd pay $30 for another go, it's worth it. Damnation's already going for less than $25 online and it's only going down for another month or two.

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>>52266946
What were they thinking when they made Dredge

>>52266932
It's an okay deal but those kinds of business practices are suspect at best.

>>52267068
Yeah I have no use for it, paid $30 to draft and do like drafting a lot so far, especially this set. The only thing really holding me back is that I'm the type that likes to just keep cool cards.

>>52267084
An interesting gravecycling effect that gave longevity to GB without having any particular pay-off besides GGT, and folding completely to one of the best gravehate spells of all time printed in the immediate next set. It only really broke in Legacy where you had draw spells with stupidly high counts of drawing attached to cards like Breakthrough and payoff creatures like Ichorid and Nether Shadow.

It was definitely a shitty archetype compared to The Rock of old.

>>52267274
It broke with Time Spiral block, really, as that is when they printed Bridge from Below, Dread Return, and Narcomeba, as well as dredge land.

>>52247731
DARK DEPTHS
WHY HAS NO ONE METIONED THIS
YOU GET A (SORT OF) FREE MARIT LAGE

what are some budget wincons for brago
so far I've got diluvian primordial

>>52268155
Sol Ring and Strionic Resonator
>Diluvian Primordial as a wincon
In what world?

I've got an atraxa deck, everybody says its really good, I don't see it. The instant I sit down at the table in a multiplayer game, I'm the target. I can't even do shit before I'm pretty much dead. I mean the deck is good, but its not kill 4 people by turn 5 good.

>>52268293
Learn how to be less threatening or learn how to play against four people.

>>52266625
Wrong.
>>52265358
You cast Disciple when Slithermuse is on the field, Disciple ETB happens and resolves.
You draw 3 and gain 3, then Slithermuses ability is put on the stack and you draw cards if opponent still has more shit in hand.

>>52268591
>Wrong.
I was assuming he was talking about the evoke trigger on Slithermuse for whatever reason.

>>52268616
Well, it's somewhat understandable, since it's a relevant ability on it's part.

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Can someone point to where I can find the chart that has all the colors and what that means for the player like red is morons and blue is merfolk

>>52266932
Don't do it. At least keep it for trades. That guy is just petty.

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>>52246749
Just for guessing? not worth a card slot. But if the other morph is good, it can't hurt to have it twice. Or each upkeep.
My Rashmi deck has three at the moment, the two from the pickles lock and kheru spellsnatcher. Will probably put in Denny P too, just because 4 the table's reactions and guesses are always hilarious, and Vesuvan gets better with each one.

>Playing Yidris pre-con
>Have Dragon Mage and Waste Not out
>Dragon Mage gets copied by Progenitor Mimic
>Between my Dragon Mage and the others, I get milled down to three cards left in my deck
>Pull out a win with Vial Smasher and a shit ton of zombies.

All and all a good night.

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Speaking of Rashmi and the pickles lock, what would you guys suggest in terms of win conditions for a Blue Green draw go ish deck that tends to keep things fair (like, one emergency combo and maybe one tutor at most)? So far I've got the following
>pickles lock, if i draw into it
>thunderfoot baloth
>archetype of imagination
>minds dilation
>triumph of the hordes
>a huge dude like realm seekers, plus evasion with like thassa
>stormtide leviathan
These are more or less fair and should work okay after spending the game countering spells and flashing in value dudes. But I'd love to hear more that aren't the usual avengerhoof or lab man combo.

>>52268789

If you go the evasion creature route be sure to include Murkfiend Liege. Means you don't have to choose between attacking and keeping stuff up for blocking.

>>52268155
well there's combos and i think that's it.
i once tried to build a brago deck but my turns were never ending and while i could grind the game to a halt, i couldn't actually win it.
i hope you have a better experience with the king.

>>52268789
How do any of those fit into drawgo?

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Has anyone ever built a Ninja deck before? I get a lot of complements about how 'flashy' and 'fun' my deck is, but I can't close out games after I get ahead with my boardstate. How well did your ninja deck perform? Also would like to hear about Rogue tribal, unblockable creatures, or just UB in general.

Also r8 how much of weeb I am

>>52268947
>cards in english
not even trying

where 2 cop mat tho?

>>52268947
Paradoxical Outcome with flashback assist from Snappy and Torrential Gearhulk, sac outlets and other Blood Artist effects.

Turn your established boardstate into everybody dies. Also Dream Halls.

>>52268947
I always wanted to build a ninja deck, but found the available ninja cards too few for edh. It just doesn't work as tribal.

>>52268865
Very awkwardly. Flash enablers help I guess. You can see I'm looking for something a bit more synergistic.

Some jackass in our playgroup recently started playing with an Edric deck. It contains a bunch of one drop fliers, creatures that you sacrifice to counter spells, and a seemingly endless supply of counterspells and infinite extra turn shenanigans. I want to punish him, absolutely crush his spirit. What's the best way to do this? Hokori stax? Targeted land destruction? Red anti-blue trial?

made a discord server for anyone interested in talking mtg

https://discord.gg/5uJnVet

feel free to do whatever you wish with this information

>>52269788
Ruric Thar

>>52269788
i'm not 100% sure but i think the most simple way to do it is to just kill his commander over and over. and if he plays other card draw engines, kill those engines too. he won't be able to have the card advantage or mana to counter every one of your cheap removal spells

of course, doing that means you will be giving up your own card advantage as well, but if you're playing black then it shouldn't be a problem

anyone else here play cutthroat competitive try hard EDH?

>>52269788
Silent Arbiter
Crawlspace
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Chaosphere
Price of Glory
Ugin's Nexus
Wild Ricochet, and other copying red instants that can steal or duplicate his extra turns.

>>52269988
>>52258974

>>52269995


was just asking because my playgroup is weab ninja cutthroat competitive

i dun wanna be a try hard

>>52270045
slash his tires

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>>52269788
Bonus points if you can trick him into running Prismatic Omen.

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>tfw kicking degenerate Ezuri/Sage of Hours' butt with my shitty unoptimized eldrazi brew just when he's close to adding the last counter
What a glorious feeling. pic related best bro

>>52269788
Be the Gruul UNGA BUNGA to his Simic asshole.
Fuck his counterspells: Vexing Shusher, Spellbreaker Behemoth, Guttural Response, Pyroblast, Red Elemental Blast, Burnout, Seedtime, War's Toll, City of Solitude, Dosan the Falling Leaf, Mana Web, Hall of Gemstone, Price of Glory, Monsoon, Tectonic Instability
Fuck his lands: Boil, Boiling Seas, Tsunami, Choke, Nature's Wrath
Fuck Edric and his flying men: Gravity Well, Raking Canopy, Spidersilk Armor, Skylasher, Magnetic Mountain, Volcanic Fallout, Aether Flash, Pyrohemia, Rending Volley, Shock (and all its functional reprints)

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>>52268947
Get character guard sleeves you weeb

You really need them since most of the time weeb sleeves split easily and these are always rare and never released again. They also provide a good shuffle feel and it effectively double sleeves as well.

I know from experience

>>52261990
Possibility Storm is actually a Zada card. You essentially get 2 spells for the price of one with Zada's copy ability.

>>52269788
One of the problems with the deck you describe is how fast he's going to establish 'lock' since he's using cheap shit to feed counterspelling, so resolving that one card that hates him out like nobody's business is going to be hard. Start by sitting to his immediate right so he's more likely to use up his counter tech on the rest of the table.

I'd run RGx, Probably Surrak Dragonclaw with a lot of "Can't be Countered" and Split Second tech. (Edric doesn't like Sudden Shock, Volcanic Fallout will ruin his fucking day, and Vexing Susher can protect everything) This makes it even more likely that he'll expend his counter wall before you, making it more likely to resolve Stranglehold and other "Stop that sillyness" tech like Void Winnower, Arcane Laboratory (With leyline of anticipation for you?), Omen Machine... you probably get the idea at this stage.

Alternatively, run Leovold. Ambassador ranks Spymaster, utterly turning off his ability to draw extra cards and then wheeling his hand away. You can run all the same cheap interference counters he does to resolve Leovold. As a victory lap of insult, run Edric in Leo's 99.

>>52270283
Why are they called character sleeves?

>>52270179
>Someone bothered enough to make a smooth borderless printable edit of the void winnower art
>They also went out of their way to write wrong something that was written correctly in the original

Seriously, people. Sometimes I lose hope in you guys.

>>52270325
Because they protect the chara on the sleeves.

>>52270335
Didn't even notice that one, kek

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>>52270325

As>>52270336 said, it protects weeaboo sleeves, and most of the time it has anime characters on them.

Get it? Character. Guard.

>>52257163
>modern and legacy
I said t1 edh was stale, why would you suggest an even more stale format
Let alone two of them?

>>52270242
>>52269918
What did I just say.

>>52268947
As cool as they are, most ninja are incredibly overpriced for how little they do. After a few optimizations for my Vela deck the only one I've kept is Sakashima's Student. Silent-Blade Oni could have a place, but I like Wrexial more because he's more likely to repeat his effect (due to landwalk).

>>52270373
Just mentioning a fitting commander is not enough to convey exactly how hard the puny blue mage's boipucci will be ravaged

>>52256049
>Does magic need rules. Jpg

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>>52263251
This

Trying my best to make a "Red deck wins™" list.
Running Kazuul, Tyrant of the sudden dickpunch currently but will probably swap to Urabrask, Feldon, or Akroma. Any tips?

>>52270430
>Not allowing Nephilims as Commanders

>>52270242
Don't forget anarchy

>>52270433
RDW is a terrible idea in EDH. Efficiency comes at the expense of card advantage, and your Goblin Guide and friends are not going to have a good time rushing down 40 life before they're rendered irrelevant and also dead, much less 80 or more from being in multiplayer. It's been said before and will be said again: Aggro as other formats know it DOES NOT EXIST in EDH, and it never will so long as this is a multiplayer format with padded life totals.

That isn't to say you can't win going wide with creatures, but you've got to know that Cards trump Time. They trump it HARD. You don't want to run a card that's just going to be casual chaff, it has to do something worth having at all stages of the game.

Kazuul is a kind of legit commander because he plays the politics game. Generally he ends up at the helm of decks that want to make it later in the game less chewed up.

Urabrask is the least of the Praetors. His enemy condition can mess people up and mass haste can be good for combos.

Feldon might be the closest to what you're looking for. I run him stax, but the ability to recur a powerful enters-the-battlefield can't be overstated.

Red Akroma is an OK voltron. I mean, she gains power, she has protections, she gives counterspells the finger. She threatens to 2-shot players fairly trivially and 1-shot is far from out of the question.

Have you considered Krenko? Going wide with tokens is probably the closest thing to traditional aggro that you can meaningfully do, and Krenko does monored tokens to a reasonable power level and does it on the cheap.

>>52270442
They don't even have the "Unique color identity" excuse anymore. If you want to play Witch Maw Colors you have...

Atraxa

Seven partner pairings.
Kydele+Ravos
Kydele+Tymna
Thrasios+Ravos
Thrasios+Tymna
Reyhan+Ishai
Ikra+Ishai
Silas+Sidar

TLDR if your faggot houserule ever had a leg to stand on, it's gone now.

>>52270555
>No leg to stand on

>The whole EDH ruleset is an houserule of Vintage/Legacy
>The format is made for houserule
>None of the "official" way of making a 4 colored deck are what I want to do with that deck
>I like the Nephilims design
>My friends and me each make a deck with a Nephilim as Commander
Finding reasons isn't that hard


Stop caring about how people you'll never meet play the game

>>52270615
>Stop caring about how people you'll never meet play the game

To be fair though he is not wrong, and if we all followed this advice no one would be posting in this Mongolian pictograph log.

>>52270762
Talking about deck techs is not "caring about how people play the game" and that's what we are doing here

>>52268236
for Diluvian Primordial if your opponent(s) have 3+ good spells in their graves it CAN end the game

brago generates value but doesn't have a surefire way to kill anyone with it

I guess huge hard-to-block guys like Stormtide Leviathan and Tromokratis or things with annihilator effects might do the job

>>52270615
>>The format is made for houserule
why would you ever build a deck that you cant go out in public with?

>>52270897
What do any of those overcosted beaters have to do with Brago fuckwit?

>>52270919
Why can't I build an houseruled deck to use with my friend AND a normal deck to play with strangers?

Also
>"Hey, do you mind if I use [Insert non-legal commander] as my commander?"
>If no, play and enjoy
>If yes, change commander/deck, play and enjoy

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>>52270921
Well, they beat your opponents down, have evasion, and Brago generates a ton of mana anyway. 5 swings from either of them will kill a player at 40 life, 4 if brago hits them too

and the guy before was specifically looking for something budget

the only other thing I can think of is control with Azor's Elocutors, but taking no damage for five of your turns seems like it would be nearly impossible when you have a card like that out making you a target

>>52271014
>Brago
>Generating shitloads of mana
Sure, but unless you can cast shit during combat, it usually doesn't help.

>>52271032
what do you mean?

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Quick rules clarification: If I use pic related's ability to get Karmic Guide back, then use Karmic Guide's ability to grab a creature, that second creature can't attack, even if it has haste, right?

>>52270303
I know, that's why I suggested her. It's the Koth that throws me off, he seems hard to protect, and the deck doesn't typically aim to play a lot of lands.

>>52270433
Kazuul seems like a sound choice to me. The problem with multiplayer formats is that there are too many opponents to attack. You solve that by running Goblin Spymaster, Fumiko the Lowblood, Warmonger Hellkite and Charging Cinderhorn. Now, everyone is on the aggro plan, and if they attack you, Kazuul gives you more beaters. Help them a bit with Forbidden Orchard, Akroan Horse, Death by Dragons, Hunted Dragon, Varchild's War-Riders and Rite of the Raging Storm, and they can't even use the excuse of not having creatures.

>>52270999
Yeah, I'm with this guy. If you ONLY have decks that require your houserules to function, that can be problematic (though if you only ever play with your group, not really), but it's fine to have one or two that work with houserules and just... not using them if people aren't okay with that.

"Hey, I have this Genju of the Realms deck my group lets me use- you guys okay with that? No? Alright, lemme grab a different deck, nbd."

NEW

THREAD

WHEN?

>>52271204
Why are you whining instead of making the new thread yourself?

>>52271214
>asking a question is 'whining'

>>52271226
>Whining is 'asking a question'
And I even answered it

>>52271264
Not an argument :^)

>>52271276
I'm with him. It was whining.

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>>52271276

>>52271048
Correct.
>Alesha attacks, the ability triggers and goes onto the stack.
>It resolves, Karmic Guide enters the battlefield
>Karmic Guide's ability goes onto the stack
>Resolves, Second creature enters the battlefield
>But attackers have already been declared, so it can't attack.

>>52271324
Thanks

NEW THREAD

>>52271600

>>52271043
Brago usually can generate the big amounts in middle of combat, unless you're talking about blinking your rocks you used that turn to play more rocks.