EDH/Commander General /edhg/

I should have this deck just about watertight, but before I finish buying cards, what does /edhg/ think of it?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/perpetual-motion-machine-1/

>>52226020
What's an MLD?

>>52226048
Mass land destruction, board wipes hat specifically destroy lands.

>>52226020
Ruination. Ruination their shocks, duals and shit for DAYS

>>52226048
Thirst for Knowledge fampai

>>52226020

One of these days I will pull off a World Gorger Dragon into Obliterate. One of these days.

>>52226154
Also Whir of Invention.

>>52226164

I believe in you

Maybe try world gorger + apocalypse because it's slightly less mana?

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>>52226020

Post em

Need to update this, Darien is officially a deck now.

>>52226154
>>52226171
I've been looking at both of those (also Time Sieve and Scourglass, if I feel like splurging), but what would I replace for them? I suspect that I probably only need one source for thopters, so I could drop the Spy Network (since Sharding Sphinx is protected by Padeem and the Forge).

Also, no Sol Ring because they seem to be sold out fucking everywhere.

>Better thread question
DECK SONG?

>>52226237
Fucking kill yourself.

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>>52226249
>Being this mad

>>52226267
Fucking kill yourself..

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>>52226280

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>>52226237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvDBtjE8i04

>>52226234
>Karrthus
How do you deal with people copying your commander?

>>52226236
>le sold out everywhere meme

Have you tried literally any online store?

>>52226558
they're sold out on isleofcards senpai

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>>52226164
I do it all the time, and it's a awesome as you think it will be. You don't know the meaning of fun and salt until you do.

>>52226589
Have you tried literally any other online store?

>>52226589
>isleofcards
you mean the store with the incredibly inflated prices??

>>52226589
Fuck, it's too bad that they're the only place on the entire internet you can buy cards

>>52226647
Out of curiosity, what stores would you recommend? Just from browsing tappedout, they have better prices than TCGPlayer, and I'm new to card-buying.

>>52226703
Promise not a shill but my order of operations is:
LGS site (if applicable)
TCGplayer
Cardkingdom
StarCity
ABUgames

ABU is usually on the more expensive side but they have a knack for having older cards the others might be missing. Also, if you care about graded cards, they sell those too.

>>52226531
Generally the turn I play him is the turn I win.

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Here is my new Baral deck. Runs low ramp due to low curve and lots of lands because of how much I can loot/filter. Thoughts?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/baral-chief-of-the-goyim-know-shut-it-down-1/

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Post some cards with synergy you didn't think about until you happened to have both of them in your hand.

Turns out this is a solid win condition.

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>>52226808
I didn't even realize this made infinite mana until someone pointed it out when it was on the board.

You also need at least two artifacts in your hand.

>>52226703
I use Starcity, but that's largely because I've usually got a ton of store credit and I'd rather pay slightly more for the better service.

>Friend refuses to buy from MCM because he wants to support local stores
>Ignores the fact that there are plenty of professional sellers in our country who still sell for almost half the price his preffered local online store does
>See him again today
>He ordered a fuckton of cards from cardkingdom for ridiculous prices, paid like 60 euros of import tax
>"I want to support youtubers anon, prof is having a really hard time"

Has anyone ever met a cuck like this? He doesn't even buy cards at physicial game stores, only "local online" stores.

>>52226857
I mean, I'm absolutely fine with prioritizing a local store over other sellers, because CFB or TCG or wherever aren't providing me a place to play and events and shit. I'd pay 18 dollars for a 15 dollar card for the convenience of having it in my hands right now, and supporting a store.

But yeah, that's just flat out stupid, considering Prof makes 10k+ a month on his Patreon.

>>52226852
>Have all these cards in kozilek but never used it
A whole new world just opened up in front of my eyes.

>>52226593
Worldgorger is ultra secret tech in ZirilanI love it so much.

>>52226857
>prof is having a really hard time
FUCKING ADJUNCTS
i fucking hate that autistic fucking "prof"

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>>52226926
Super duper top secret tech right here, don't let it fall into the wrong hands

>>52226857
It's totally fine to support local game stores more than online, brick and mortar is much more expensive to operate than online, and if they go the hobby dies too.

>>Thread question
>What's your favorite MLD?
Boil or good ol Strip Mine + Crucible

>>52226894
>>52227011
The thing is, he never goes to play at gamestores in his life, he just buys cards online for retarded prices.

>>52226202

It is, but it can also be Countered.

>Dark petition for Notion Thief
>Cast Windfall
>Hold priority and cast Notion Thief
>Play a pile of fast mana
>End of opponents turn Intuition for YawgWill, Paradox Engine and Doomsday
Post feelgood plays.

>>52226237
Hold off for at least a few days until the next one.

>>52226703
TCGplayer from reputable sellers. Leave feedback on all of your purchases. If any seller gives you a card of lower quality than your purchase, you can pretty much demand a refund with little to no strings attached.

I would never buy singles worth more than a dollar at an LGS because anything they list as NM will almost always be more Lightly Played or Moderatley Played.

I need help friends.
$50 budget
Have some staples already but no vast collection because precon.
Great Snake Mistake or some other meme deck to try and snake a win at my LGS casual commander night?

>>52228448
SNEK
N
E
K

>>52228448
>$50 budget
>wanting to win
>snek tribel XD XD XD XD
pick two

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>>52226808
I didn't necessarily overlook it, but I didn't realize how convenient it would be.

Jhoira's Toolbox or Welding Jar?

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>>52228571
>

>>52228587
It's either that, buy another precon, or convince my pals to draft MM with me. Don't have a lot of cash to drop on magic and they're really trying to push me further into it. All I have edh-wise is my atraxa precon and a super budget infect deck.

>>52228727
Jar. Toolbox is too easy to kill, too narrow, and if you need to protect a specific artifact creature, Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots are better options.

>>52228727
>>52228762
Jar also works with cards like Artificer's Intuition, Auriok Salvagers, and Trinket Mage.

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/aislings-song/

I'm picking up what enchantress cards I'm missing; but elsewise, I could still use any advice or criticisms I can get on my Rubinia Soulsinger enchantress/steal yo shit deck.

>>52228762
Asking mostly for the eventuality that I get hit with mass removal (and don't have darksteel forge up), since it hits through hexproof/shroud. I could also go Metallurgeon-- Doesn't regenerating untap the target? If so, could it regenerate itself, then immediately regenerate another artifact? The only other artifact regenerators I saw were Loxodon Mender (too expensive), Pteron Ghost (can't recycle with my current deck), and Clockwork Gnomes (Metallurgeon but shit)

>>52228971
Oh fuck, I forgot Artificer's Intuition existed. I might actually replace Trinket Mage with that. Is the body on the Salvagers worth the price/not being an artifact/hitting with Ashnod's Transmogrant?

>>52229115
Salvagers takes a lot to be good, but when he's good, he's great. It takes a certain kind of artifact deck to appreciate him, since he doesn't work well as general purpose recursion if the only thing putting artifacts in your graveyard is an opposing Krosan Grip.

Basically, you need to be abusing him to be using him.

>>52229115
>Doesn't regenerating untap the target?
The exact opposite.

>>52229115
> Doesn't regenerating untap the target? If so, could it regenerate itself, then immediately regenerate another artifact?
Nothing about this is correct. Regenerating something TAPS it, not untaps it, and even if it did untap it for some reason, you can't regenerate, untap, and then activate the Metallurgeon during the resolutoin of an ability.

>>52228732
buy from the wise cardboard's sages of the east

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What's everyone's Sunforger Toolbox look like?

I've got Oblation, Enlightened Tutor, Deflecting Palm, Mirror Strike, Comeuppance, Wear/Tear, Return to Dust, Boros Charm, Lapse of Certainty, Master Warcraft, Orim's Thunder, Swords to Plowshares, Chaos Warp, Final Fortune, and Path to Exile.

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>>52226857
>>52227006
His sponsorship with CK basically comes down to receiving free shit. I fail to see how buying from them supports this guy.

You know what fucking motives people? Poverty does.

>>52229571
senpai, if ur running Final Fortune you're doing yourself a disservice by not also running Angel's Grace

>>52229571
Also, get Tithe so you can get mist veil for the complete cycle

>>52226808
Imprisoned in the Moon/Song of the Dryads + Vesuva/Thespian's Stage

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>>52230314
Doesn't they enter just as a basic forest or waste?

>>52230355
NOPE. It's a very fun trick to monoG clever impersonate.

Tokens don't count as permanents, right? e.g. if I made an arbitrarily large army of token creatures, then got Cyclonic Rift'd, I'd still be able to swing/block with them?

>>52230409
They are still creatures or artifacts, which are permanents.

>>52230409
Pretty sure they do count as permanents, even though they are exiled if they are put in any other zone then the battlefield. I think They'd all be exiled by cyclonic rift.

>>52230355
Vesuva and Thespian's Stage copy the actual card. The creature is made a legal target by the enchantment but since what it's copying doesn't have the enchantment attached it is the creature.

Works with all nonland permanents except with Planeswalkers since the land doesn't have any loyalty counters and immediately dies.

>>52230409
Tokens get hit by rift and are exiled do to their replacement effect.

>>52230428
>>52230442
>>52230463
Damn, figures. So basically the only ways to reliably deal with Rift are to either counterspell, immediately Rift them back, or immediately kill them with fireball/exsanguinate/allahu ackbar them with Aetherflux Reservoir.

>>52230481
Yeah. There's a reason that is not very well liked around these parts.

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>>52230481
>allahu ackbar them with Aetherflux Reservoir.
Dick move against dick move, I like it

>>52230448
Vesuva would be fine copying a planeswalker, just not Thespian's Stage.

>>52230481
I mean if you have goblin bombardment or something similar, you could sac them all for a win.

>>52230512
I should have specified that sorry. Loyalty counters are essentially an etb effect that doesn't use the stack so Vesuva would work fine since entering will allow you to "trigger" the loyalty effect.

>>52230448
Pretty sure vesuva would get loyalty counters, since it enters as the planeswalker I think it would get those put on it.

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>>52226234

>>52230409
They are permanents, they just cease to exist after they move to any zone other than the battlefield as a state based action.

>>52228448
Zada is just a bunch of commons and uncommons throw together.

>>52230639
When are state based actions checked?

>>52230463
>their replacement effect.

No, no. As >>52230639 said, it's a state-based action that causes tokens to vanish. This is important, because a replacement effect would prevent a token from "dying", but the SBA allows them to die and then gets rid of them afterwards.

For a practical example, say you controlled a Blood Artist, a Spirit Token, and Progenitus and someone played Wrath of God. Blood Artist would see that itself and the token died, but Progenitus' replacement effect means that it did not "die" and so would not be counted.

>>52230501
The more I think about the card, the more I love it, especially since I run life gain-- it's the goddamn Sword of Damocles
>you can do whatever you want senpai but spook me and i swear to god i'll fucking kill us all
>spooking me includes trying to remove aetherflux reservoir and trying to cast platinum angel

>>52230776
meant for >>52230507

>>52230501
>tfw the fag who runs it in my group always casts Teferi first so you can't counter it

>>52230748
>704.3. Whenever a player would get priority (see rule 116, “Timing and Priority”), the game checks for any of the listed conditions for state-based actions, then performs all applicable state-based actions simultaneously as a single event. If any state-based actions are performed as a result of a check, the check is repeated; otherwise all triggered abilities that are waiting to be put on the stack are put on the stack, then the check is repeated. Once no more state-based actions have been performed as the result of a check and no triggered abilities are waiting to be put on the stack, the appropriate player gets priority. This process also occurs during the cleanup step (see rule 514), except that if no state-based actions are performed as the result of the step’s first check and no triggered abilities are waiting to be put on the stack, then no player gets priority and the step ends.

So, for instance, if a token with four toughness has four damage marked on it, it would die as a state-based action. Then, because something died, it would immediately run through the state-based actions again and see that there was a token in a zone other than the battlefield and remove it.

Even then, there's not really any room to do any shenanigans with tokens, if you were hoping to be able to flicker them or something, because:
>110.5g A token that has left the battlefield can’t move to another zone or come back onto the battlefield. If such a token would change zones, it remains in its current zone instead. It ceases to exist the next time state-based actions are checked; see rule 704.

I built this a long time ago wanting to be budget, and I've now grown so attached to a lot of the jank that I can't bring myself to cut it.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/prototype-vengeance-of-zendikar/

Need to know what can actually work and what just needs to be substituted out for better stuff, and what that stuff could be.

>>52226928
100% of his deck techs are copy and paste tournament winners someone else made, or in the case of commander, "I went on edhrec for a half hour"

How badly fucked up can I expected a "moderately played" card to be?

>>52226703
I use channelfireball. They give out some discounts on orders if you keep ordering from them for periods of time. I paid $20 for a LP Singing Tree.

>>52231192
>Cards in Moderately Played condition are allowed to have flaws visible to the naked eye. Cards in Moderately Played condition can have border wear, corner wear, scratching or scuffing, creases or whitening, minor dirt buildup, or any combination of mild examples of these defects.

The most severe thing a Moderately Played card can have wrong with it would be a crease, but it can't be a significant enough crease that the card would be considered "marked" if it's in a sleeve, and it typically won't be a crease that covers the full length of the card.

>>52231190
Thinking about this made me wonder

What is the best mtgtuber in your opinion?
Seth, proooooobably better known as SaffronOlive

>>52231023
No ingot chewer or fertilid?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12552755

To give an example of what the poll talks about, Boros is commonly considered to be the worst color pair by far due to not having any native ramp or card draw, which a vast majority of Commander decks need.

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>>52231308
>What is the best mtgtuber in your opinion?
AlphaInvestments

HANDS DOWN

>>52231312
Also bane of progress is a no brainer

>>52231397
If I hit a Bane of Progress with Ashnod's Transmogrant/Liquimetal Coating as it hit the field, would it kill itself?

>>52229571
Dude, no Reroute? What a shame for sunforger.

>>52231453
>Ashnod's Transmogrant/
Yes, Bane of Progress' trigger goes on the stack, then you turn it into an artifact and the ability goes to resolve killing itself.

>>52231453
>>52231520
Asceticism, enchanted evening, bane of progress

>>52231621
You could possible regenerate your creatures, but Wouldn't that destroy all your lands?

>>52231655
Yes
Now all boards are empty except for a 30/30 bane of progress

>>52231655
It's a wincon in Kamahl, Fist of Krosa decks. You use Kamahl's actual ability instead of EE, and then play Ezuri's Predation to get X+Y+Z 4/4 tokens and wipe all opposing lands. Fucking nasty.

>>52231308
AlphaInvestments its not even a contest.

>>52231308
>Seth, proooooobably better known as SaffronOlive
You mean the retard from MTG goldfish who always sounds like he's on the verge of tears?

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>tfw you crack a box of mm and get decent pulls but barely any of them are of use to you
hoped for a cavern or lil, well at least I got 2 fetches and cracking the packs was fun

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new card for doran

>>52232069
that bonfire is foil btw and the goyf got the tip of a friends dick rubbed against it

>>52232098
Tell me what it says in a non 3rd world language

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>>52228679
Nice

>>52226808
Necropotence+Reliquary Tower. Didn't even notice until recently

>>52232136
destroy all greater than 3 power or rez 2 creature power 2 or less

>>52232136
>>52232194
looks like it also has flashback?

>>52232136
>>52231253

>>52232194
erm, maybe rez all creature power 2 or less

I don't actually speak it, just using context

>>52226857
>cuck
Such a useful word. It lets me know that the rest of the post isn't worth reading. Thanks for that.

>>52232194
first part: kill all creatures 3 or less
second part: (cast this only from the graveyard) rez all creatures 2 or less

idk if rez means put on battlefield or put in hand

its like a twisted flashback

only took wizards 10 years

>>52232259
>kill all creatures 3 or less
wrong. it's 3 or greater
and the second part puts the creature cards into your hand.

>>52232217
>Already read 80% of the post. Then stops
Anon, what are you doing.

>>52232291
mb my non english is bad

>>52232259
power 3 or greater

>>52232295
Time lost is brain lost, anon.

>>52232315
>he says on an anime imageboard in a thread about an autistic modification to a card game for middle schoolers

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>>52232388
babada boopee?

>>52228732
>buy another precon
Or use any of the other actually decent commanders who came in that precon

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Will Panharmonicon make Maelstrom Wanderer trigger Cascade x4?

Because if it does then I know what I'm doing next

>>52232821
No. Cascade is a cast trigger, not an ETB trigger.

>>52232821
No

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>>52232828
>>52232832

That's sad. Oh well

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>>52231308
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8e0Sg8TmRRFJytjEGhmVTg

no one better

>>52232989
My vorthos-bro

>>52231384
>>52232007
>m-maybe if I shill for this faggot I'll be a rich punk too
Pathetic.

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so why haven't you got your 14$ blood moon?

>>52232007
>>52231384
>doesn't even play the game
>>>/out/

>>52233046

I live in a third world country and the only US delivery done to us is by a random guy that manages an international delivery every week and gets stuff from the jews of Abugames after we get fucked by taxation from our corrupt government.

Such is life on spicland. You don't know how good you gringos have it

>>52233136
>live in alaska
>shipping takes weeks
>shits always damaged
>some times dosen't arrive at all

its to the point where i dont buy anything over 50 and just proxy it

>>52233136
If it makes you feel better the neighborhood spics always steal my mail.

>>52233136
Why not just play with proxies my trans-Atlantic brotherman? You can't get the real deal, just play with the fake stuff.

Much love from Burgerstan

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>first time playin mtg irl since casualy in highshcool
>everyone drafting modern masters
>dont wana spend 45$ for my first draft
>play my budget azami deck with some teenagers
>proceed to shit on them
>could have bounced all thier lands
>get out jin gitaxis
pretty fun for first real irl match

Out of curiosity, is there any multicolor commander that could be played as if they're monocolor and only use dual lands to get mana to cast your commander? I'm thinking maybe someone who would benefit from big black mana or something.

>>52232098
What exactly is the purpose of this layout? I guess you could either turn it sideways as a reminder but it seems kind of contrived since I guess that is a way to do it but I don't think it's something people naturally do with cards with a graveyard effect.

It also bugs me that Consequence kind of took space from flashback (Do X, Flashback N When this card is cast from the grave, instead do Y) but whatever.

>>52234118
the Fate Reforged commanders were designed to explicitly be possible to be used this way. In other words, Tasigur

>>52234170
>>52234118
Tazri too, an example of "you'll play white, but you COULD play any other colour too"

>>52234118
I'm trying to understand what you're saying, here. Are you asking if there are any multicolor commanders that can be played as monocolored decks? Because, if so, yeah >>52234170 is right. Otherwise... I guess any of them? You could play a RG commander as just G or a Colgate commander as only B, but that would be a intentional deck building handicap. If you're into that, go for it, I guess.

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>>52233046
I already have this. I just got a basilisk collar for my archangel avacyn though.

>>52234318
i just ordered one of the originals

>>52234281
It's a stupid question, I know, but I was just thinking if there's any commander that would be just as good or even better without using one of its colors by using monocolor synergy.

>>52234337
I wish they would get the original art or a new art for blood moon already. The card is sweet and needs to be played more instead of whined about but the art doesnt help sell the card.

>>52234342
Well, I'd say that any commander with green in the identity would work as mostly green. Green has excellent removal and ramp and decent card advantage in EDH, so it's basically all you need.

But, again, this is intentionally hobbling yourself.

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Just got a Damnation in a MM17 pack. What's the optimal board wipe suite in monoblack (specifically Gonti)

I'm thinking:
>Damnation
>Mutilate
>Decree of Pain
>Toxic Deluge

Is this too much or too little?

>>52234412
DEATH CLOUD, NIGGA

>>52234412
Killing Wave is hilarious and underrated.

>>52229557
I could go tokens/counters, I guess
Casual night means no infinite combos though so Ghave is a no go. It's a shame, because "no infinites" just means "Find a way to limit your infinite combo but still be essentially infinite."

>>52230739
Could do goblins. Might be fun. Thanks.

>>52234118
>>52234342
Had my Sharuum deck with only 2-4 white and black spells for a long time. The rest of the deck was full mono U and artifacts. It works.

>>52234412
Death Cloud and Pox. Do it.

>>52234749
>Casual night means no infinite combos though so Ghave is a no go.
Dude, you can totally play Ghave with no infinite combos. You can have complete control of the board and prevent anyone from doing anything, but you don't have to have infinite combos.

>>52234799
I'll do some googling then. From what I've read you accidentally walk into ghave infinites. I'd be fine mushrooming people.
I'm bad at this game, but glad to know that there's something out there to look into.

>>52229571
Boom // Bust, dude. Blow up those lands.

>>52234749
Marath is a fun alternative to Ghave, and doesn't go infinite as easily

>>52234896
seconding this. Marath feels a lot more fun since he's more interactive and scales better into the late game, although his combo potential is lower.

>>52229571
Ive got a queen marchesa deck with crackling doom, kologhans command and volt charge in it.

>>52234118
The best example of this I have seen, where you aren't just making a worse version of a deck is Oona. She works well going for big black mana, letting you abuse cabal coffers, nirkana revenant, crypt ghast, magus of the coffers, gauntlet of power, caged sun, bubbling muck, extraplanar lens, etc.

You could do mono blue instead and just use the artifact mana doublers. Either way if you want to abuse her ability without going infinite (or in addition to) it's not a subpar strategy.

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>>52226234
Might have to put a hold on Riku as I have fallen face-first into Naya-colored Original Duals. Are there any really good Nayamanders?

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>>52235371
Gahiji. Hear me now and believe me later. It's the most fun you can have with your pants on.

>>52235400
THIS

Gahiji can be built so many ways- politics, group slug with tokens, mega-ramp into fliers and so on. He's also incredible glue if you want to go for a tribal strategy- he fits dragons, humans, beasts and even angels together extremely well. You'd be incredibly surprised how much 4-6 extra points of combat damage can do for you.

>>52235400
>>52235474
I've always had a mild interest in this, but I already have a good Xenagod deck and I wouldnt want Gahiji to be too similar. Are there any decklists you can link that aren't just "good creatures getting +2/+0"?

>>52235638
He's crap made for ultra-casual groups dominated by "but man he attacked you last turn attack him."

>>52235683
Yeah, politics are hard when you can't read social queues.

>>52235683
No, he's a great part of a prison/enchantress deck that makes anyone but you the path of least resistance and lets you mop up the remainders.

Any moron can play tier one net decks. You are clearly any moron.

>>52235638
Gahiji takes advantage of the fact that you can build around his ability in multiple ways. A Windborn Muse or Ghostly Prison alongside him encourages a brawl at the table that you can emerge unscathed from. Political/pillowfort is a strong way to go (yes, you CAN do pillowfort in Naya) that will lead to powerful finishes with the flexibility of midrange decks included. Rite of the Raging Storm and Master Warcraft are your friends. I'd also recommend an enchantress subtheme to capitalize on you already leaning on global effects.

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>build gruul best friend ultra-budget stonebrow deck
>he loves gruul, has omnath, wort, building ulasht. Wants to build mostly gruul decks.
>always joked he looked like stonebrow (he does)
>include a foil of his favorite creature, spawnwrithe
>include foil atarka (doublestrike one)
>stonebrow is foiled
>put the deck in eye melting electric pink sleeves (he likes obnoxious sleeves, especially when they don't match color of deck)
>put deck in ugly as fuck box

Tfw he got to play it blind for the first time tonight, couldn't believe he has a new deck and was visibly excited for each draw to see what's in the deck.

It's the little things in life. Don't forget to be a positive member of your playgroup and actively work towards a healthy and fun meta

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Should i make tazri or teysa?

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>>52235869
Really, this is what sets us apart from the other formats, or at least what should. We actually enjoy the social and communal aspects of the game. Meeting up with friends, shuffling some cards, maybe cracking a brew or passing around some herb and having some fucking fun. Remember fun?

Could someone please post the EDH scatterverse pyramid meme? I can't find it anywhere

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>>52235908
Oh yeah, edh really does feel special. Watching his face when stonebrow, thunderfoot baloth, and wild beastmaster all being out at once and comboing together was just magical. You don't get that kinda feeling in modern/standard imo.

And does those 3 cards combo how I think it does? While attacking the baloth gives +2/+2 and trample to SB and WB, while the WB gets an additional +2/+2 from SB, pumping her up to a 5/5. Would she then give +5/+5 to SB and WB?

>>52235917

>>52235996
Yeah, pretty sure you can stack the triggers that way.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kami-of-the-card-draw-1/

Building a Kami of the Crescent Moon deck based around card draw. Any cards I should include that force opponents to discard their hands or should I just focus on flooding everyone's hands? Any additional win-cons I should include beside Lab and Sphinx's Tutelage? Just need general advice as well.

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>>52236149
Mind over matter + temple bell / otherworld atlas is a good win con. Lab man and leveler + temple bell or anything that can make you draw.

Run dream halls! forbid, arcane Lab Also good.

Run plenty of stasis effects to slow and limit the benefits your opponents get from drawing so much. Winter orb, static orb, stasis.

Run lots of pillowfort, silent arbiter, portcullis, propaganda, crawlspace, etc.

Always have an answer. Run ivory tower and vensers Journal, gives you a shitload of wiggleroom. Run imprisoned in the moon, control magic to shut down decks that RELY on commander to function. Run library of leng too.

>>52231308
Jolt, he's the absolute bro tier mtgtuber

Should I start building Nin, or Karametra?

Nin would be an artifact theme, and Karametra would probably be some sort of Stax and Tax type thing.

Sunforger.dec, Kokusho Reanimator or Mogis 8rack?

Hey /tg/, what is the best commander for spirits and blinking effects with flickerwisp and other white creatures like blade splicer and such?

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>>52237121
brago

but nobody likes brago or brago players. nobody.

>>52235996
Baloth has a static ability, so the + is always active (assuming that you control your commander in this situation), so when you attack, you put the Wild Beastmaster's ability on the stack first, then Stonebrow's. Stonebrow's ability resolves first, giving everyone +2/+2, Beastmaster becoming 5/5. Her ability resolves and buffs everyone by +5/+5

>>52237121
Brago and Ephara, mostly.
Obzedat is a self-blinking Spirit though.

>>52234412
necromantic selection is funny and i prefer it over decree of pain

>>52236847
>Karametra
lmao enjoy shuffling a 100 card deck every time you cast a bear

>>52236850
kokusho reanimator is very strong for casual metas, but it might get old for you or your group when you bounce kokusho in and out of your graveyard 20 times in a single game

i dont know what 8rack is but mogis kinda sucks either way and is like kokusho, except weaker and boringer

sunforger.dec sounds spicy and fun but might not work out that well because lmao boros

honestly, it all depends on whether you want a deck that wins a lot or if you want a deck that does cutesy stuff. i have my old kokusho list on tappedout if you want to take a look, i had to take it apart because my group got mad at me for playing it

Heard people singing praises around this guy. Is there some strong synergy to build him around or is he just considered one of those "extra value for whatever you do" type generals?

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>>52237709
Naturally I forget the pic. fml

>>52237704
>doesn't know what 8rack is
>is trying to give advice

>>52237709
>>52237716
He's amazing in Dual Commander because 20 life.

In multiplayer I built him like funny 4c Delver and won most games flashing in Dictate of the Twin Gods and then casting Empty the Pits or Lgic Knot for X = enough.

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>>52237761
i just googled it after i posted that

he couldve just said group slug and i wouldve understood perfectly

ive never played mogis group slug but i'm pretty sure a completely apolitical deck like that will literally never win because you will always be the player with the least life while your symmetrical life loss effects are in play (because of 3 players hating you out)

kokusho is also group slug, but he also heals himself and control the shit out of the board with grave pact effects and black's removal. you don't need a board when you're playing monoblack so you can just blow the fuck out of everything with all is dust and resume reanimating immediately.

kokusho is ridicule strong in 75% metas. the only thing that really stops him consistently is inf combos and one-shot commander damage memes. he's also fun in a way, because he burns everyone but it's not as simple as an upkeep trigger, you get to play around with fun graveyard tech

literally the only reason i took mine apart was because my group got triggered by him super hard, and i got triggered by proxy because im such a cool guy

>"i cast swords on your kokusho"
>"ok, i'll sac him to carrion feeder"
>"i bojuka your grave"
>"ok, i'll corpse dance him out"
>"i cast merciless eviction"
>"ok, i sac my board in response"
>*next turn*
>"hey guys i cast living death xd"

etc

>>52237799
8rack plays simarly to stax in 99 singleton where my main method of victory is asymmetrical resource denial. The entire point is to play against the whole table solo and to say it can never win shows you don't understand the deck.

A graveyard-based black commander is hardly 75% considering how hard the deck folds to Leyline/RiP. Can't exactly Carrion Feeder out of that.

>>52229571
I've found Vanish into Memory and Dawn Charm to be a very nice things to have in a Sunforger toolbox.

>>52226852
Anon... metal worker is a mana ability
Now it does work with voltaic key, but rings aren't needed if you have two or more artifacts in your hand.

>>52238099
Wait , I'm retarded, nevermind.

>>52226020
Obliterate because it can't be countered and the flavor text is pretty funny.

Decree if annihilation because it also gets hands and graveyard.

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>>52238127
>liking the trash flavor text

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>>52238172
Different strokes amigo. Enjoy your card.

>>52238172
I like the flavour text for that iteration, it's badass and epic
he destroys the whole of tolaria out of grief, whats not cool about the way that it's worded desu

>>52238234
Yeah I agree with you, this versions flavor text has some serious gravitas.

>>52238219
Different strokes sounds like the name of your gay porno.

Seriously, that flavor text is nu-magic bad.

Since Ask a Judge isn't a thread atm, I'll ask here: How does Nostalgic Dreams interact with old Ulamog and Kozilek? Am I understanding correctly that discarding them as part of the cost for Dreams puts their ability on stack, and Dreams gets placed ontop - so I get to pull the cards I want from my graveyard before they get shuffled? Or is Dreams only placed on stack after it is clear?

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Any spicy esper cards that steal people's lands?

I'm building Dakkon Blackblade, and the idea of sniping someone's lands then smacking them with my frivilously-costed commander sets me atwitter. I don't need to steal that many lands, but I just need a few reliable ways to pull it off. Right now, herald of leshrac and memnarch are my two most viable options, particularly with a splash of mycosynth lattice, but I hope that isn't all I have to work with.

>>52238523
Oblivion Sower, which is of course an awful card unless it has synergies with your deck.

>Magic is a game about having fun. By the end of the game, you want to have had all of the fun.
How true is this statement?
he runs Nath, Doran, and a Karona angel deck

>>52238620
Maybe, white does have some good exile effects and I could always turn the lands into creatures then exile them.

Why in the fuck couldn't Dakkon have red or green in his identity? Either or and this deck would totally work.

>>52238329
The absolute first thing you do when casting a spell is place it on top of the stack at 601.2a.

Literally the last step you actually take in the act of casting a spell at 601.2h is where you pay additional costs. After that effects that would've triggered would go on the stack. You would shuffle and then do piss fucking nothing assuming you didn't have another way to dump crap into your GY before Nostalgic Dreams resolves.

>>52238724
I have fun by pubstomping at my LGS. Particularly the part about having all of the fun, I love it when only I have fun and everyone else groans. So it's 100% true.

>>52238329
Abilities that trigger during casting won't be put on the stack while the spell is being cast. If you discard Ulamog, you'll finish casting Nostalgic Dreams and put it on the stack, then Ulamog's triggered ability will go on the stack above it. So it's an unfortunately useless thing to do.

>>52238744
>assuming you didn't have another way to dump crap into your GY before Nostalgic Dreams resolves.

Nostalgic Dreams targets, so even that would be useless.

>>52238725
Because Legends.

>>52238744
>>52238749
Thanks for the answers. It's not completely useless, since I play Ulamog primarily as anti-mill tech in monogreen (the removal and indestructible beatstick with annihilator is a nice bonus though), so the GY dumping is something I want to have reliable access to if he ends up in my hand during an unfortunate time.

>>52238172
>have you ever been so mad that you change colours?

>>52239216
Yes anon, herald of leshrac was one of three cards I mentioned. Maybe I should just tutor it up and build a durdle-control deck until we get to that point.

So I want to get into Magic and was looking for a decent commander deck. I've been told that the 2016 Atraxa deck is decent, but it's literally sold out everywhere near me (GA).

Are there any other 2016 commander decks that are worth picking up besides Atraxa and Breya?

>>52239433
Do not purchase precons.

>captcha: downie on red

>>52239433
I think Breya is the best starting point since she has the most alternative commanders and staples for artifact decks but since you said she's out go for Ydris i guess.
Also look for older precons and see what catches your eye

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>>52239433
>Are there any other 2016 commander decks that are worth picking up besides Atraxa and Breya?
No anon. If you're getting into magic, I'd skip the 4c decks. They're very hard to improve if you don't understand the fundamentals of deck building.

The 2c ones are pretty straight forward and generally easy to acquire. But that being said, what colours do you like?

>>52239475
Do not listen to this anon, precons are an excellent starting point for a new player and give you some neat things.

>>52239492
Oh man, how could anyone forget the interesting and mechanically deep commanders Bruse Tarl, Silar Renn and Akiri.

>>52239514
I played with a few decks and so far I've really enjoyed black. I played hearthstone for a bit and liked Warlock and black seems to match that playstyle fairly well

>>52239514
>buy precon for $35- $40
>comes with jank manabase, safe reprints, junk rares
>can only be played one way
>buy singles
>build any deck you want
>however you want it
>learn deckbuilding and card prices
>have variable budget and every card you purchased is one you want instead of paying for crap like Filigree Angel

>>52239527
>what is Sharuum the Hegemon
>what is Slobad, Goblin Tinkerer
>what is Sydri, Galvanic Genius
>what is Godo, Bandit Warlord
Oh man, how could anyone forget how full of shit you are

>>52239569
Oh yeah, of course you can take that precon and just replace Breya with Slobad and call it good. Perfect product for new players.

>>52239527
I'll agree that Bruse isn't mechanically interesting, but both Akiri and Silas are pretty different when it comes to commanders. Akiri can be absolutely bonkers by herself, and Silas is a neat card. I have a fun little dimir artifact deck based on affinity with him as the commander and it's pretty fun. I could add white and make Sharuum but I've been there and done that.

>>52239568
That's fine and dandy, except this person is trying to get INTO magic. They don't know a lot (if anything) about deckbuilding. A precon gives them a general idea of what to do.

Not to mention it includes a player friendly learning guide in it and explains how commander is played.

>>52239613
http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

There I just saved anon $40.

>>52239589
Never said that, a precon should be a starting point not your main deck. You can play with it out of the box, sure but it's gonna get old after a couple games. That's why they put so many staples and legendary creatures that fit the theme so you can start building YOUR deck, they give you options that's also why they feel all over the place and built like shit.

>>52239641
Then he may as well buy those cards as singles for the deck he actually wants instead of one filled with cards for multiple decks and built like shit.

>>52239555
The meren precon or the ob nixlis prrcon probably fit in what kind of deck you want.

>>52239555
Well, I know nothing about heathstone so I can't help you there. What parts of that deck do you like?

Monoblack is a colour that's defined by excess. In general, you're going to pay life, sacrifice creatures, and get powerful cards with moderate drawbacks for their use. There is a monoblack precon with Ob Nixilis, The Black Oath in it, and it's a pretty reasonable starting point. That being said, if there's a particular aspect of black you like, there are a couple of precons that splash black.

The most obvious answer is the Meren precon from last year. I have one myself, and it's a strong reanimator deck that lets you use your graveyard as a second hand. But, like Atraxa, it was considered the "strongest" 2c one so it might be hard to find. In the same cycle, there's the Daxos, the Returned precon which is more about enchantments and token making. BW is a pretty weird colour combination, in the sense that you have access to tons of removal, but very few win conditions. In that precon there's Karlov, who is a pretty powerful voltron commander with a few nifty upgrades.

>>52239568
>Hey everybody, look at me, I completely missed the point
New players don't understand proper card evaluation or deck building. The precons generally are the best preconstructed products in magic, and if a new player knew enough about singles to build a deck, they wouldn't really need to ask about the quality of the precons in the first place.

>>52239638
Explains nothing of how to play magic in the first place NOT does it teach you how to deckbuild, and a guide that you can keep on you and is new user friendly is 100 times better than a webpage.

I'll take it you've never taught someone magic from the ground up. I've done it with commander products dozens of times, and I've never had any problems. They're made for beginners to get them playing the format. That's what they're designed to do.

>>52239589
The thing is that Breya comes out of the box playable, and then when you want to BUILD for yourself, you have some jumping off points with a few of their own staples and some concept of synergies at work. Building up a collection it would be a decently easy start to play breya for a while then get singles to build into Sharuum and Godo.

Meren's pretty similar value if you can find her, though better out of the box with fewer places to go later.

>>52239677
I've done it over a dozen times, they walk away after game one with a decent understanding of the game because I let them actually play instead of reading a fucking manual. They're not attempting to fly an aircraft they're playing a card game.

>>52239555
>>52239663 here
There's also crazy cheap budget builds out there for about the price of precon you should check out http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mikaeus-extreme-sub-20-budget-edh/
also nice trips.

>>52239638
Oh wow they now know that you can't put more than 1 card of each and you need 100 cards.
Did that give them a direction to construct his deck?
No
Did that give them an idea of wich cards are useful and could be good with the strategy they had in mind?
No
Did that give them a bunch of useful cards they probably need?
No
Did that give them a bunch of legends to try out as commanders?
No
>>52239661
What if he has no fucking clue on wich cards to buy? Do you expect someone who has no previous knowledge of the game to shit out completely viable decks out of nowhere?

>>52239710
Having a guide next to WHILE playing the game is exactly how you teach.

Pictures > your words.

And you just TOLD them to read rules on how to play commander from a webpage. Don't tell people not to read a manual to play magic and then tell them to read a manual.

>>52239725
>go to google
>type in mtg commander decks
>find one you like
Wow that was almost Herculean in the amount of effort that took.

>>52239744
Actions > pictures
You don't train someone to do something by showing them what doing something looks like, you have them do it. Driving, machinery, drawing, painting, sports, exercise.

>>52239710
Anon, all this boils down to is that you are incredibly broke, and thus sensitive to how much money you spend on magic to a ridiculous extent. The precons aren't scamming you, they're a quality product at a reasonable price point. They give you some neat cards and serve as a good place to start playing with little invested time or effort.

Can you build the deck cheaper? Oh, probably, but you won't get the tokens, the cards will be in erratic quality, and you'll probably have to wait forever for some postal service dick to get them to you.

Get the bug out of your butt, what decks do you play, grand paragon of edh? What would you recommend a new player build?

>>52239794
>all this boils down to is that you are incredibly broke
Nice projection.

>What would you recommend a new player build?
I recommend he build the deck he wants.

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>>52239812
We aren't reading Derrida or discussing existential post-modernitiy, we're playing magic. You pick whatever colour you think is cool, drop some cash, and have fun drinking beers with your friends.After you learn more about magic, you can build something specific, but it's just silly to spend weeks ordering a shitload of cards for a game you don't even know if you like.

>>52239856
I'm not sure why it takes you weeks to press the add to cart and checkout buttons, but you may actually need a doctor.

Or a passport to move out of Brazil.

>>52239812
>I recommend he build the deck he wants.
I am a new player and i have no idea what to build, sure i can netdeck some shit but how can i know if i will like a particular deck without trying it beforehand?
I also don't know about dropping 2-300$ without knowing if i'll like it.

>>52239856
I don't really have friends to play with. I'll be playing with this girl that I just started seeing. I don't really want to invest a lot of time learning which cards to put into a deck right now, just wanted to buy a "starter" commander deck and fuck around while learning the Commander format.

>>52239871
Yes anon, it takes me weeks to press buttons, and not wait for multiple stores to ship an extremely specific list of cards.

>>52239900
Why would you spend 200-300 brazillian pesos on a single deck? Unless after exchange rates that's about $40 in normal money.

>>52239915
I'm not sure what shithole you're in but shipping should never take more than a week.

>>52239908
>the blogpost was actually just a thinly veiled look at my girlfriend post
Who knew?

>>52239908
Exactly, you're doing god's work anon. She'll be happy if you just try to have fun and genuinely take interest in her hobbies. Make sure you pick up some sleeves and to ask her about her decks, but otherwise, a precon will be perfect.

>>52239926
>Why would you spend 200-300 brazillian pesos on a single deck?
Because that's the deck that i chose while netdecking.

>>52239960
Well you either chose within your imaginary budget or well exceeded it.

Either way you chose it so not much anyone else can do for you.

>>52239871
If you were a brand-fucking-new never ever played magic in your goddamned life player, how would you know what cards to even add to your cart without doing a t least a basic search and whittling your results down to the 100-ish cards you need? Then you need to fucking search for those cards one-by-ond and add them to your cart; provided they're even available or within your budget. Then even beyond that you need to wait for the postal service to get it to you.

Did you recently have a stroke, or are you legitimately retarded?

>>52239926
>brazillian
That's not even a real number, quit exaggerating

>>52240005
How did he know about the Atraxa precon? How did he know about Commander? How did he know about Magic? We've got the cocksucker right here >>52239957 suggesting the game as a bonding activity but here anon is asking us about the game instead of the person he wants to play with.

>Then you need to fucking search for those cards one-by-ond and add them to your cart
Yeah I know when I type a card name into Google it definitely doesn't list multiple websites I could buy it from right then and there. Absolutely impossible that something like that occurs.

>>52240046
Not sure if that was quip at my extra L or just Brazil in general.

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>>52240047
What are you even trying to say.

I want to build an esper deck, what are some staples I should include, and how do I go about making a functional manabase?

>>52240088
I don't know because that information is impossible to find by asking other people or entering the question into Google.

>>52240047
I knew about commander because she was talking about her deck that she's working on. I knew about Atraxa because I googled "magic commander 2016 deck".

>>52240111
From there you could've asked her what kind of deck you should get, or if she even wanted to play with you in the first place.

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>>52240098
If it was so easy, you'd have copied and pasted it to look like a smug prick on the internet. Now, politely, fuck off.

>>52240128
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/195127-edh-staples-must-haves-a-newbies-guide

Fuck off retard.

>>52240141
Did you even read that page? What does that have to do with esper staples or making a functional manabase? There isn't even card draw listed by colour.

This is less helpful than no help because it literally says nothing. It's a list of contextless cards that may or may not be good, and will universally be terrible if they're thrown together all willy nilly. If you read through that entire godforsaken shit hole, you'd come away more discouraged than anything else.

>>52240198
>I want to build an esper deck, what are some staples I should include, and how do I go about making a functional manabase?
Why the fuck do you keep replying to me with these non-arguments? Just give up dude.

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>>52240218
Alrighty champ, whatever you say. I bet you're a dirty Kaliaa player with a filthy unsleeved deck and cargo shorts.

>>52240324
None of those points are accurate.

>>52239768
Oh god you don't seem to understand this at all.

That doesn't SHOW them how to deck build. That doesn't INTRODUCE them mechanics in the game. That doesn't explain to then SYNERGY of cards. That doesn't give them a STARTING POINT to go from when later wanting to try something new.

Telling someone who doesn't understand the fundamentals of the game, the nature of the format, or the mechanics and importance of synergy of cards in your deck to just go build a deck is dumb advice.

And $40 isn't that big of a deal anyway. You'd be hard pressed to build a better beginner deck for the same price point. I've tried that, and it usually comes out to at least $60+.

You need to stop thinking you have these resources available to you when you're someone who doesn't know magic at all. They don't because they don't understand them. Shit like edhrec or decks on tappedout aren't gonna do shit for you if you don't know how your deck works.

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is pic related a good commander?

>>52240342
He has one particular resource which would be more valuable than any of us if he chose to use it.

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>>52240392
>us
That implies you fit in, belong here, or contribute positively to discussions.

It doesn't even matter the argument against them. Wizards wouldn't make it in the first place if they weren't perfect for beginners. That's the whole premise of WHY THEY EVEN MAKE THE PRODUCT.

>>52240342
Just stop replying to him, he's clearly in damage-control mode and doesn't want to admit he made some amazingly retarded statements on an anonymous siberian elk hunting board. Just take a look at how he's responding>>52240218

>>52235400
I've played Gahiji and I can't recommend him.
Having an anthem in the command zone means you need a lot of token producers for going wide, and once you're going wide you want some more anthems. You'll have games where you don't draw your good token producers and you'll durdle like a retard with your anthems and few pillowfort cards available to you.

His ability applying to opponents is not as "epic pillowfort politician xD" as it seems, either. It just makes people either A) not attack at all or B) remove Gahiji so the resident aggro player doesn't go off a couple of turns early.

>>52240420
>literally reply asking for a list of esper staples
>post a list of esper staples
>why did you post that list it doesn't answer my question
Get your head out of your ass.

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>>52240434
Funny that you think that.

>>52239433
Playable ones from C16: Atraxa, Breya, Yidris
Playable ones from C15: Mizzix, Meren, Ezuri
You're probably not going to find anything from C14 or earlier

>>52240434
Should've used edhrec instead, desu. https://edhrec.com/commanders/wub/
The mtgsalv list is complete shit, in part but not entirely because it was made before the tuck rule was changed, and is missing around 7 years of magic history.

>>52240370
Barely has enough support to work
Will get removed on sight
Deck sucks ass when commander is removed

>>52240572
>Doran
>Threatening
It's just a vanilla 5/5 for 3 mana. It's really the most gimmicky deck and bad one as well.

>>52240631
>It's just a vanilla 5/5 for 3 mana
Yeah, and the deck doesn't function if he's not in the field, so why wouldn't you remove him?

>>52240631
He fucks over all opponents' creatures with more power than toughness too

Also this will happen every game
>I attack you with this 10/10
>alright, I remove Doran so now he's a 2/10 and I take 2
>well shit

>>52240677
There IS ASSault Formation, but that's just two copies of the effect out of 100. Maybe if you throw in an enchantment package to make searching for enchantments not whiff if you already have it out?

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>>52237709
>>52237716
>>52237777

>he

did you just assumed her gender, shitlord?

>>52240677
>>52240728
Maybe if there's more threatening stuff on the table. Or zones. I'm not saying that Doran is so bad that all removal on him are wasted, but it might be a meta thing, but he really isn't good and most of all, he's a trap commander. He's baiting shit like Indomitable Ancients which is an awful card. I'm sure there's better ways to use him besides the ineffective treefolk smash.
I use Sapling which is objectively better

>>52240370
What others have said, but I'll add that Doran is pretty much objectively fucking boring. You're basically playing walls until you drop doran and then you're playing with vanilla beatsticks without trample.

>>52241302
Won't all of your walls still have Defender, anyway?

>>52241424
The ones with good toughness yeah, that's why you still need an extra card to move their asses. At least things like Noetic Scales, Meekstone and Ensnaring Bridge work well in Doran so he's not completely vanilla.

>>52235996
>pic related
How is scrambleverse the epitome of deck building?

>>52241468
That's the joke.

>>52241494
Oh i thought it was something to do with building your deck in such a way that you can take advantage of scrambleverse somehow.

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>>52226020
Give me an interesting Commander to build that would benefit supremely from the copy of Doubling Season I currently have no use for.

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>>52226020
Thread Question: Wave of Vitriol, hands down. It finds a place in all my Green decks on the virtue of being able to wipe out Darksteel Citadel, but nuking enchantments and nonbasics is a nice bonus.

>>52241598
thats the fault in edh, everyone has some kind of master plan.

>>52242344
Well, the very obvious one is Ghave.
You could also go for something slightly less typical like Thromok.

>>52242388
>everyone has some kind of master plan.
Except the chaos players, who pretty much run like the Joker.

>>52242344
Marath, Ghave, Ezuri, Atraxa, Reyhan, Mazirek, Kresh, Mimeoplasm, Animar, Skullbriar, Proshh, etc

>>52242344
Atraxa, Marath, Mimeoplasm...

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Pulled this beast last night. What kind of deck should I put him in?

>>52242600
him and Palinchron makes infinite mana

>>52242381
>tfw want to run Wave of Vitriol but run too many artifacts, enchantments and nonbasics on my own for it to be playable

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>>52242600
ROON
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O
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Need some advice on a Sidisi deck I'm building. Is there anything missing I should add?Anything I should take out?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-lich-king-and-master-of-zombies/

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>just bought a Yosei and Wound Reflection
Oh man oh man I'm excited. What's the best way to use these fucks? I was thinking about making a brutal Yosei artifact stax deck, and using Wound Reflection for some combo reanimator Rakdos nonsense with damage doublers.

>>52242725
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-lich-king-and-master-of-zombies/

Ashnod's Altar and/or Phyrexian Altar to turn creatures into mana

Gutter Grime and/or Golgari Germination and/or Sifter of Skulls to make more sacrificial tokens. Gutter Grime doubles as a wincon.

You have no idea how good Gravespawn Sovereign can be with those zombie tokens...

Why bother with Ever After when you can Rise of the Dark Realms?

Splinterfright and Nighthowler get kinda weak when you empty your GY with Sac Altar into Living Death/Rise of the Dark Realms or if you're continually sifting. Try Lord of Extinction or Terravore to grow off all those lands (and spells and otherwise noncreature things) that mostly stay dead.

>>52242388
> fault
I love it. It's like a huge battle royal for mad scientists/wizards

Tenza, Godo's Maul doesn't give Shu Yun trample, right? Shu's color is blue, but his color identity is Jeskai. Is that right?

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>>52226164
Speaking of Obliterate.

>playing queen marchesa pillowfort/enchantress
>others are Xenegod, Breya, and Gisa
>turn 10/11 or so
>dragged game on for a while due to consistent boardwipes and other resets
>everyone this point is targeting me
>kill off all my enchantments
>Play Barren Glory, pass
>eat like 30 damage from the Xenegos player, other two players focus on each other for their turns. I'm at 5 and they're at 20-30.
>my turn
>topdeck pick related. Added it purely for this.
>cast Oblierate, whole table groans. I float one black.
>Cast pic related
>everyone groaned
>I have the biggest shit eating grin as they all pass to my turn, I win on my upkeep.

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How many sources of colorless mana would you say is necessary for utility effects such as pic related to be worth playing with?

>>52243056
You don't need that many: A few utility lands and a few rocks should do it, especially for cards that provide something (Like Sea Gate giving some mana) other than their obligate colorless effects.

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What a silly name for a card.

>>52243001
You are correct.

>>52243053
I love winning with Barren, though I do it in mono-white myself.
I usually pull it off by EoT of nearest opponent Renounce + Sacred Rites but there was a time I was open and had a 55/55 something coming at me from Mayael.dec and Renounce saccing all permanents but Barren put me to 3 life and no cards in hand. I had just boardwiped on my last turn so nobody could finish me off and it passed two players before I won.
Super feelgoods my Barren Bronon

Looking for advice, made this Saskia infect/combat deck. Does pretty well in 1v1 but can't really survive in multiplayer.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/saskia-the-brass-knuckles/

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I'm in the process of building a janky stax deck with pic related, anyone have any fun tech? Any lists of your own? I am on a budget, but I already own many of the costly black cards (Mike, Sheoldred, etc).

>>52243398
Do you have sword of the paruns and puppet strings in the deck already?

>>52243398

Macar likes ways to tap himself without needing to attack. He likes to drive trains.

>>52243440
>>52243441
Going to put them in.
I'm running a few vehicles, not sure how deep to go with them

>>52243508
Probably only ones worth including are the ones that you can crew with your commander alone.

>>52243350
Update: Added a maybeboard of some other cards I had considered throwing in, will add more if people suggest ways to change the deck.

>>52243154
> s's

Triggered

>>52243623
Could have just called it return of Rakdos

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>>52243508
>>52243561
I'd say go ahead and put Cultivator's Caravan in. At least when it's not online, it's still useful.

Mobile Garrison is perfect, almost like it was made for Macar.

Smuggler's Copter is alright, especially being as it's so cheaply costed.

>>52243685
It's meant as a mirror to Sphinx's Revelation.

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>Play Jeleva (duel because lacking players)
>Cast Praetor's Grasp
>Find almost nothing
>Suddenly True-Name Nemesis
>This is it!
>Proceed to win
Any more of these janky cards? It sounds like a fun theme to just use your opponent's stuff. So far I've got the grasp, Spelltwine, Shifting Loyalties, Supplant Form, Saheeli's Artisery, Talent of the Telepath and Desertion

My friends and I put each color in a hat and we're building mono color decks based on what we drew with a ~$75-80 value limit. I drew white and I'm planning on building Odric. My other plans were B: Greel, U: Braids, R:Grenzo, G:Nissa, Vastwood Seer. What janky mono color deck would you build in each color, /edh/?

>>52243909
Greel is pretty great, I have a foil lying around and if I ever get to building a big black mana deck you can bet he'll be at the head. Geth's Grimoire is super sweet since it lets you break even or profit from the Mind Twist pitching.

>>52243908
Villainous Wealth

>>52244119
I can't play green though. Also X is bad, cause I cast instants and sorceries for free half the time

>>52243909
>W
Pianna White Weenies
>B
Korlash Voltron
>U
Aboshan Cephalid Tribal
>G
Glissa Sunseeker Artifacts
>R
Zo-Zu Land Destruction

>>52243909
W: Hokori Stax or Politics Michiko
U: Kaho
B: Spirit of the Night Goodstuff! If I'm being serious about it, maybe Gonti? Janky, but fun.
R: Feldon
G: Titania... wait, 80 dollar budget? Freyalise control.

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>>52242789
Wound Reflection with Sorin Markov's -3 OHKOs a single person. Also, Gary is a must

>>52241237
Post sapling please.

>>52244432
I fikished it yesterday and haven't created a list yet. I don't have access to computer at the moment

>>52243908
Grinning Totem

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post oloro spicy secret tech

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>>52244580

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>mfw realizing Grinning Ignus and Sneak Attack can make infinite colorless mana

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>>52244614

>>52242789
Put them both into a Daxos Zombie enchantress/reanimator deck, shits dope

>>52244618
This bait is getting stale